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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Hey everybody, and welcome

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to the Bible Guys. Who do
I have here? To my right,

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my name is Kyle Crenshaw. And
Kyle, tell everybody why you're here.

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Jeff's out of town. I think
that's the main reason. Yeah, out

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to but yeah, yeah, So
so Kyle works at our staff at a

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church that we work at called Heritage, And you've been on staff for how

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long now, it'll be six years
in August. Yeah, and you are

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the all things guru to our MLA
City campus. Yeah, the assistant campus

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pastor, which is just the everything
else pastor. Yeah, that's right.

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I think that's how it works.
Yeah, that's pretty cool. And so

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anyway, Jeff is out of town. He's actually gone somewhere across the country,

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you know the Adventures of Marco Polo. And so we are having a

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different guest every week just to liven
things up. Last week Jeff was here

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with Wesley and all throughout the week, and this week I'm here with different

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guests. So, so, Kyle, here is the segment for today from

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Desiree. Oh boy, Desiree says
this Kyle meaning you. Kyle is a

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Kansas City Chiefs number one fan.
So here's today's question. If you could

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swap bodies with any celebrity or athlete
for a day, who would it be

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and what would you do? Oh? Did you did you know this question

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was coming? Ye? Yes I
did, and I've been thinking about this.

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The correct answer is I wouldn't switch
with anybody because I already have an

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amazing life, the trophy wife,
the amazing kids, and Okay, hey

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listen, now that that's out of
the way, you know that's not the

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assignment. So ah, I think
I've got to go with Patrick Mahomes.

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I mean, he's just he's mister
Everything right now, most popular guy in

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the world, five contracts in the
world. Do you think he's the most

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popular guy in the world. I
think so. I think he's up there.

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Oh, come on, sports and
everything. You think people in Uganda

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know Patrick Mahomes over Donald Trump.
Well, he's lost to Super Bowl,

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So that means there's Kansas City chief
super Bowl shirts somewhere out there. That's

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true. That is true. Ship
them to other places in the world,

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but maybe not the most popular person, the most popular athlete. And so

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seeing his house the thing. He's
got a football field, giant pool,

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all that stuff at his house.
See, I thought you were gonna say

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Travis Kelcey because he's dating Taylor Swift. Now you'd be like, you'd be

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like, I just want a chance
to hang out with Taylor Swift, maybe

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a little kiss on the cheek maybe
no. No, I enjoy her music,

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but I wouldn't call myself a Swift
ye. Plus, I don't know

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if you know this. Patrick Mahomes
is the reason Whataburger is in Kansas City.

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And so the fact is he probably
got the amazing, like all this

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access to Waterburger. That's my favorite
fast food restaurant. So my parents actually

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ship me what Burger catch up from
Texas. Holy Cattle, I got it

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like all the time. Their spicy
ketchup is great. But wow, that's

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amazing. That is that is a
commitment there, shipping ketchup from Texas.

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Wow. That's all okay, Well, hey, that's that's that was very

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predictable. Thanks for that predictable answer
of Patrick. There's only one right answer.

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That's so great. Well, hey
man, today we are we wrapped

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up genesis. Uh uh two days
ago, and then last week or excuse

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me, yesterday, we talked about
Job, and so Job went through this

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massive tragedy where God allowed Satan to
tempt into it to test Job. And

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that's a whole other topic altogether.
But either way, all his servants and

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his sheep and his cattle, and
even his family except for his wife,

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we're taken away from him. And
then Job has this incredible response. Uh,

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it just doesn't even seem natural.
It's supernatural. He shaves his head,

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falls to his knees and worships God
and says, naked, I came

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out of my mother's room. Naked, I returned, Praise be the Lord.

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And everybody's like, what is happening? Well, today we're talking about

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Job's second test, right, this
is the second thing that comes Job's way,

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And so you're gonna read for us. Yeah, So we're reading Job

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chapter two, verse one through ten. But it says one day, the

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members of the heavenly Court came again
to present themselves before the Lord, and

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the accuser, Satan, came with
them. Where have you come from,

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the Lord asked Satan. Satan answered
the Lord, I have been patrolling the

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earth, watching everything that's going on. Then the Lord asked, Satan,

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have you noticed my servant Job.
He is the finest man in all the

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earth. He is blameless, a
man of complete integrity. He fears God

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and stays away from evil, and
he has maintained his integrity even though you

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urge me to harm him without cause. Satan replied to the Lord, skin

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for skin, a man will give
up everything he has to save his life,

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but reach out and take away his
health, and he will surely curse

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you to your face. All right, do with him as you please,

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the Lord said to Satan, but
spare his life. So Satan left the

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Lord's presence, and he struck Job
with terrible boils from head to foot,

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scraped his skin with a piece of
broken pottery. As he sat among the

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ashes, his wife said to him, are you still trying to maintain your

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integrity? Curse God and die?
But Job replied, you talk like a

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foolish woman. Should we accept only
good things from the hand of God and

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never anything bad? So when all
this Job said nothing wrong? So so

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far Job only has said two things
in the first two chapters. The first

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response is like the perfect and most
unbelievable response. Ever, and then the

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second is the same thing, right, and so he says, shall we

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excuse me, shall we accept only
good things from the hand of God and

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never anything bad? That is an
unbelievable perspective. So when bad things come

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your way, Uh, do you
always have that response? Oh? Absolutely

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not. Usually it's anger, it's
frustration, it's why is this happening to

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me? A lot of confusion.
Yeah, yeah, I would say I

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hardly ever have that kind of response, job Baz, Yeah, no doubt.

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And uh. And first of all, let's address this the fact that,

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uh, you know, somebody might
read chapter two and think perhaps that

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God that Satan has the power to
persuade God, because after all, in

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the first chapter, uh, you
know, God and Satan were having a

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conversation and uh and and God said, do not touch his health, right,

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just don't, don't. Don'tthing to
him or his health. And in

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this chapter God decides to say,
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with him as you please, but
spare his life. And uh. And

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so the answer is not that God
can be persuaded by Satan. The answer

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is is that God already knew the
outcome before everything happened anyway, And so

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really the progression here of learning isn't
from God. The progression of learning is

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from Satan himself. Because Satan was
absolutely convinced that there was no man on

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earth that would worship God if he
was, you know, if he had

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all those things taken from him.
And so God said, hey, go

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ahead and do it and watch and
see. And then and he says,

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but don't touch his health. And
it was God perhaps reserving reserving that his

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health because God already knew that Satan
would get to that point and say,

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oh, well, you know it's
only because his health, right, So

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Satan is the one learning in degrees, not God. God withheld his health

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and then allowed Satan to attack his
health because God knew from the very beginning

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that Joe would never sin and always
honor God. Well, that's what the

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whole in verse four when he says
skin for skin like, that's what that

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whole thing stands for. So in
chapter one we see that he takes his

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his his kids die, his animals
are lost, like basically all of his

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personal property is gone. And so
Satan has his opinion. This is what

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the note says in here, is
that Job's response to the loss of his

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family or Satan still held to his
opinion that Job was faithful only because of

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God's blessings. And so Satan is
believing that if I go after Job's health,

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then surely this guy is gonna fall
like he's not everything that God really

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says about him. So that's really
where that whole skin for that these notes

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on here are really good. So
yeah, which, by the way,

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you can reverse engineer this and actually
try to, you know, create a

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scenario in our own lives today and
say what happens when your blessings are taking

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away? When your blessings are taken
away, will you still praise the Lord?

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You know, there are a lot
of people, a lot of good

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friends of mine who you know,
when tragedy strikes through the form of you

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know, let's just say like job
loss or or you know, or maybe

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a big health scare and diagnosis that
leads to job loss that leads to financial

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strain and then consequently trickles down to
losing things, losing opportunities, losing you

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know, the ability to travel and
making memories and everything else. And so

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when blessings are taken away, you
know, you can reverse engineer this and

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say, Okay, will I be
the person who would still praise God in

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spite of my blessings being taken away? It's a great question. Yeah,

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I definitely think that it's a good
one to wrestle with because I think that

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it's really tough. You know.
It's it's easy to say I would be

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that person, but when when the
reality comes, it's hard to know what

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you would really do. Yeah.
Well, and even in Job's situation,

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it's not like he's lost his kids, and it's not like his wife is

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being the most supportive person either,
even says, you talk like a foolish

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woman, Like I'd never say that
to my wife, Like even if she

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said something that I didn't think was
smart, like I'm not gonna go out

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and call her a fool. But
Job is so so his integrity is so

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strong, and he's so focused on
the fact that God provides everything and all

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those things can be taken away as
well. So he doesn't even have a

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positive like influence around him that is
encouraging him and helping him through this.

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And we'll see this later on in
the book of Job that even his friends

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kind of turn against him and start
saying things about him. So yeah,

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I like, I like what he
says, like a foolish woman. And

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the King James version, I think
he says woman, yeah, yeah,

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and so and so it's so funny. How you know here she is,

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you know, her life is spared. In fact, the note in the

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Life Application Study Bible, which we
don't get paid to promote but we probably

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should, says making a joke there. It says, why was Job's wife

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spared when the rest of his family
was killed? And then I love this

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answer. It says, it is
possible that her very presence cause Job even

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more suffering. But then you continue
to read on though, and then he

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says, threw her sorrow over all
they had lost. So at first when

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I read that, I thought,
oh, his wife is a nagger and

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she makes his life worse. But
that's not what it's saying. It's saying

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witnessing her grief was actually just as
you know, horrific, as maybe even

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worse to deal with in his own
grief, right to witness his wife,

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you know, in the loss of
her children. Yeah, and and again

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it's it's it's a terrible thing to
even uh think about, Like, like,

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why would God allow this, And
you know, to be honest with

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you, I have a problem with
this book. I have a problem with

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it. You know. It's it's
the age old question, why would a

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loving God allow evil and suffering in
the world. And it's the it's the

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why thing that always, uh,
you know, it takes place, and

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you could really, you could really
do that for any book in the Bible,

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like like why did God allow that
to happen to Joseph? Right?

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Why did God allow the children of
Israel to be enslaved only to be delivered

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by Moses for three hundred something years? You know? Why does God allow

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those things to happen? You know? And a lot of times what God

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does in the Old Testament is a
picture of a foreshadowing of what is to

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come for us. A lot of
times we look and we see life lessons,

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we see a picture of Christ.
We see the children of Israel wandering

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in the desert, you know,
going through and of course that was a

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consequence of their own sin. But
still it's just there's these things that happen

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and we say why. And I
remember I wrote a message one time,

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and I think that God gave me
this thought, and I've never let go

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of it since and this was twenty
years ago. And that is when you

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can't know the why, just trust
in the Who. That's good, right,

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So the why is a thing that
will never know this side of eternity

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in a lot of cases, right, like, why do this happened?

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God? And I think it's natural
to say if I just knew why.

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My wife worked on the oncology floor
at Beaumont Hospital, a local hospital here

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in the area. And I remember
one time she told me a story about

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a guy who she get to know
their family regularly, but then his wife

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passes, and then through a series
of conversations, he leads a nurse into

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a relationship with Christ. And then
he made this weird and audacious comment and

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he said, now I know why
my wife died. She died so that

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I could lead this nurse to Christ. And I thought to myself, Okay,

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listen, that was definitely something great
that came out of that tragedy.

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But don't you dare try to lay
at the feet of God the why?

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Right, as if we should presume
to know every reason why your wife passed

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away, Right, she could have
just passed away because it was a consequence

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of death and decay, as Roman
Aides tells us right that we're under the

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bondage and curse of sin. But
just like God always does, God will

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bring beauty from the ashes. Yeah
right, he'll bring. He'll bring grace

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from sorrow. He'll bring you know, he'll the flower is gonna bloom in

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the midst of the chaos. You
know He's gonna do that every time.

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But that doesn't mean that that's why. So whenever you don't know the why,

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then just trust in who God is. Trusting the who well. And

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I think it's when we look at
Jesus's life and you know, when he

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shows up at Mary and Martha's house, when he goes because he hears his

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friend Lazarus is sick, and there's
the famous verse in the Bible. It's

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the shortest verse. It's it was
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memorize, like in a wanna growing
up and everything. It's just Jesus wept,

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and you know, you always kind
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why did Why is Jesus crying?
Like Jesus is God. Jesus knows everything.

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Jesus knows that he can heal him
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dead, which he eventually does.
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fully human as well and feels that
exact same emotion, that sadness that sin

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brings on the world, the fact
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because of our sin, because of
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live in a perfect world and things
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has a very human moment where he
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that isn't the way that God originally
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be perfect. And so when we
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things that he's going through, and
we look at our own lives and troubles

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that come, problems that come,
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look like, Okay, are these
the consequences of things that I'm doing?

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What is the source of the suffering? Is it something a decision that I

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made, a decision that somebody close
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Bible, which isn't this one,
but it has some cool notes on basically

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looking at the source of suffering and
where that comes from, and so is

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it from somebody a decision I made, or decision a friend made, a

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family member made, and then sometimes
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from Satan because God allowed it to. And this is something I tell our

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students on Wednesday nights. It's like
when you are at your closest to God,

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when you are on fire. And
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of people, like after salvation,
you know they're ready to go. They're

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sharing their faith with their friends,
their family, they get baptized and have

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this big public proclamation. That is
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Satan knows that we are dangerous,
that God has chosen us the church,

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to be the ones that are going
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to use us to change the world. And so the fact is is like

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when we face suffering, I think
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Like, yeah, it stinks when
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a job, when a family member
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to look deeper than that and know
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of your own action, that you
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you're dangerous and God wants to use
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that adds a completely different perspective.
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up a little bit. You know. I had mentioned before that so far

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in two chapters, Job really only
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these unbelievable, inspiring and almost perfect
responses. And you know what I always

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think when I read this is I
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I would be that guy, Like
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and say the same thing. And
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because you always hope to be that
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you don't know how you react.
Whenever I watch movies and there's always like

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a brave hero that runs into the
burning building, and you know, I

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always like to think, like,
gosh, I hope I would be that

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guy. Right. I remember I
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I was actually a used car salesman
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a guy taking a test drive.
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We just get in this massive,
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and bags actually have like a chemical, like a powdery smoky chemical that

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that shoot out, And to me, it looked like the car was on

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fire. Okay, So so we
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bow in this other truck and then
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smoke, right yeah. And I

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so I started screaming, and I
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truck. The truck's on fire.
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out and I run all across the
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who is like a customer, right, he's stuck in the front seat.

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which wasn't really smoke, it was
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out of the window. I said, I go, hurry up. I

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go unbuckle, get out, get
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right and he and he shouts out
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stuck. Now, you would think
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like, wouldn't you like to be
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door, reaches in and helps them. You watch the movies, you see

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I stand on the other side of
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really hard, just just mash it
good luck if he's not doing that,

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all right, right, right,
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and then afterwards he gets undone and
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on the truck wheel was on fire, and I actually then it was only

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Like I wasn't the guy to run
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on fire and help the guy.
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so embarrassed. I thought to myself, gosh, real quick, I'll tell

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you another thirty second story. One
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who who I knew was gonna pass
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away from dying. And he was
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pastor, and I'm supposed to show
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pray for this guy, right,
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thought to myself, what am I
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gonna be dead in like three or
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hair. He was leaned over into
this you know, cup, and she

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had a bottle of water like I
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his head and they're both cracking up. They're laughing. They're having so much

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fun. He and he's laughing about
the soap that they're using. It's in

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his eyes. He's like, it's
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and thinking, oh, this is
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be. And then we talked and
he looked at me and said, well,

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he goes, uh, he actually
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well, he goes, I will
expire in a couple of days, he

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goes, and my wife will carry
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the way she'll live. And he
goes, I'll be with Jesus, and

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the blink of an eye, honey, i'll see you again. And they

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both smiled and hugged each other,
and then we just joked and laughed,

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and he could tell that I was
uncomfortable because I'm supposed to be the guy

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encouraging him, but he's encouraging me. So then he perceives this, and

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then he stops and he looks at
me and says, Chris, you know,

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he says, it's times like this
that you know, and he just

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starts encouraging me. You know,
we should have this perspective, We should

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lean on God, we should believe, even trust him more in times like

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these, more than ever. And
I thought to myself, is he encouraging

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me right now? I'm like,
that's not his job. It's my job

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to encourage you. It's my job
to pray for you, you know.

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But he saw that I was distraught. And I'll never forget that, Kyle,

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to the day I die, I
promise you, unless I get a

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disease that causes me to forget,
I will never forget that, because on

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my deathbed, if I am confronted
with death, just like Job surely thought

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that he was, I want to
be the guy that everybody talks about long

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after he's gone. Yeah, and
says what a faith? Yeah right,

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yeah, Well, and that this
integrity that Job had. It just didn't

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happen, this relationship with God,
it just didn't like just pop out of

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nowhere. It was years of his
life cultivating that relationship, digging deeper,

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growing closer to God's communing with him. And we have the same opportunity every

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single day. So when we're in
that situation and where somebody comes to encourage

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us, when we're going through hard
times, we have the chance, if

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we have that close relationship with God, to turn it around and you know,

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do what happened to you, right
right, right, yeah, Well

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Jeff always says you can't threaten a
Christian with heaven. Yeah, right right,

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so you can't do that. And
then also you know that whole idea

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of like, whenever you can't find
the why, you so desperately you're looking

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for it and you can't find it, just just lean into the who God

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is. God is still a God
who loves us, who wants what's best

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for us. He's faithful, he's
just. He is a God who who

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is righteous in every way, and
he is worthy of our trust. Yeah,

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even without the why. Yeah absolutely, Well, hey listen, that's

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our time and so we will see
you next time on the Bible, guys,