1 00:00:00,319 --> 00:00:01,379 Hi. I'm Michael Dyrynda. 2 00:00:02,039 --> 00:00:02,919 And I'm Jake Bennett. 3 00:00:03,639 --> 00:00:08,460 And welcome to Episode 177 of the North Meet South Web Podcast. [upbeat music] 4 00:00:09,619 --> 00:00:11,380 -Nailed it. Got it. Nice work. All right. -Perfection. 5 00:00:11,380 --> 00:00:15,259 From now on, we have it. Is it, is that on Riverside, or are you playing that 6 00:00:15,259 --> 00:00:19,779 -through your special controller? -No. Yeah. No. That's coming through the, 7 00:00:19,779 --> 00:00:20,619 the RODECaster. 8 00:00:21,319 --> 00:00:23,340 -Okay. Yep. -Yep. So it's all- 9 00:00:23,340 --> 00:00:25,520 -So glad you're using that -... all one channel for you. [laughs] 10 00:00:26,299 --> 00:00:28,420 It is. It sounds great. Yeah. I'm loving it. 11 00:00:28,420 --> 00:00:29,899 -Excellent. Excellent. -It sounds really nice. Nice job. 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,440 Hey, um, 13 00:00:32,059 --> 00:00:34,899 boy, I've got a lot of stuff written down to talk about. Before our show- 14 00:00:34,899 --> 00:00:37,040 -You do -... started, I was like, "Oh, man, what 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,840 are we gonna talk about?" And then I had a bunch of things to talk about. I think 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,379 this little power nap helped me out. I was, uh... 17 00:00:44,259 --> 00:00:48,219 Dude, it has been a busy last couple days, and so- 18 00:00:48,219 --> 00:00:49,459 -Mm-hmm -... my son was like, "Dad, will you sit 19 00:00:49,459 --> 00:00:52,879 with me?" 'Cause he really likes it when I sit with him, and I have not been able to 20 00:00:52,879 --> 00:00:55,139 sit with him the last couple nights. And so tonight, I was like, "Yeah. I'll sit 21 00:00:55,139 --> 00:00:56,059 with you for a few minutes." 22 00:00:56,879 --> 00:01:02,679 Immediately fell asleep. Just lights out, man. Lights out. And so I woke up, and it 23 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:06,279 was like 10:03, and I'm like, "Oh, man. We gotta, we gotta get the podcast in here," 24 00:01:06,279 --> 00:01:07,559 -so... -Yeah. Yeah. That was- 25 00:01:07,559 --> 00:01:09,359 -Anyway -... that's the same with, with me and Eli. 26 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:13,539 Like, I, I will do his bedtime every night, so I read and I sing, and then- 27 00:01:13,539 --> 00:01:15,199 -Mm-hmm -... after that, you know, lately, he's 28 00:01:15,199 --> 00:01:19,159 like, "Dad, stay with me for a bit." So I will stay until Ray comes in 'cause he'll 29 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:24,899 put Liv down and, yeah, it's just between when I finish singing and when Ray comes 30 00:01:24,899 --> 00:01:29,599 in, I don't know what happens, but I'm usually being jabbed in the leg to wake 31 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:32,219 -up. [laughs] -[laughs] 32 00:01:33,179 --> 00:01:37,119 That's hilarious. Yeah, man. I mean, you know, it's like, hey, could be worse. I'm, 33 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:40,479 I'm thankful that he still wants to sit with me, so it's like, you know, some 34 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:40,739 -nights- -Yeah 35 00:01:40,739 --> 00:01:43,359 ... it's like, oh, like, do I have to do this? And it's like- 36 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:45,399 -Mm-hmm -... but then I'm remembering, like, yeah, 37 00:01:45,399 --> 00:01:48,179 this is not the case for any of my kids anymore. Nobody's asking me to sit with 38 00:01:48,179 --> 00:01:50,619 them, so I'm just gonna enjoy it and take it, you know- 39 00:01:50,619 --> 00:01:52,299 -Mm-hmm -... take it where I can get it, sort of 40 00:01:52,299 --> 00:01:53,999 -deal. So, anyway. Yeah. It's good. -Sure. 41 00:01:53,999 --> 00:01:54,359 It's good. 42 00:01:55,579 --> 00:02:01,259 Well, um, let's jump in real quick to Liquid Glass. Have you seen Apple's new 43 00:02:01,259 --> 00:02:03,619 design thing that they've come out with? Have you seen this? 44 00:02:04,759 --> 00:02:11,659 I don't know. Look, the reason, the reason I own an iPhone is because Apple is, 45 00:02:11,659 --> 00:02:14,899 like, a multi-trillion dollar company with all of these designers- 46 00:02:14,899 --> 00:02:16,819 -Yep, yep -... and I just want them to design me the 47 00:02:16,819 --> 00:02:20,039 interface, and then that's the interface. I don't wanna customize it. I don't want a 48 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:20,539 -widget. -Yeah. 49 00:02:20,539 --> 00:02:22,139 -I don't want different size icons. -Okay, okay. 50 00:02:22,139 --> 00:02:26,259 I don't want different col-... Like, I... You design it, and I'll use it. And if I 51 00:02:26,259 --> 00:02:27,119 -don't like it, like- -Mm-hmm. 52 00:02:27,119 --> 00:02:30,319 And this is the thing. "Oh, why can't we customize our phones?" You, you totally 53 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:33,139 can. Go and customize your Android. Leave the iPhone alone. 54 00:02:33,139 --> 00:02:33,499 Absolutely. 55 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:35,479 -Dude, I- -I didn't get- 56 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:37,119 -You know what? -I didn't get the iPhone- 57 00:02:37,119 --> 00:02:39,179 -I can- -... because it was customizable. I got it 58 00:02:39,179 --> 00:02:39,459 -because- -I can- 59 00:02:39,459 --> 00:02:41,039 ... it looked good as it was. 60 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:46,299 I can appreciate that perspective, actually. I really can. And it's, um... 61 00:02:46,299 --> 00:02:47,759 You know, you sound like my dad 62 00:02:48,359 --> 00:02:54,939 back when I was growing up [laughs] and we had a Windows XP computer, and anytime I 63 00:02:54,939 --> 00:02:58,859 would change anything, he would get somebody to say, "Do not change the 64 00:02:58,859 --> 00:02:59,799 -wallpaper." -Yeah. 65 00:02:59,799 --> 00:03:00,199 -Do not- -Yeah 66 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:01,559 -... change the cursor. -Yeah. 67 00:03:01,559 --> 00:03:03,339 -Do not change the icons. -[laughs] 68 00:03:03,339 --> 00:03:05,879 Just leave it the same, and we've arrived- 69 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:06,999 -Just leave it -... at that point. 70 00:03:06,999 --> 00:03:09,339 -Yeah. -We've arrived at that point as, as, uh, 71 00:03:09,339 --> 00:03:09,639 you know, 72 00:03:10,279 --> 00:03:13,579 senior gentlemen that we are like, "You know what? I just like my iPhone as it 73 00:03:13,579 --> 00:03:15,199 -is." I don't- I don't need the dark mode- -Yeah 74 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:18,699 ... the icons. I don't need the large icons with no text, although I have both 75 00:03:18,699 --> 00:03:22,339 of those turned on. Don't need them. Uh, you know? [laughs] I don't need them. 76 00:03:22,339 --> 00:03:24,279 -Yeah. -Uh, so no. I c- I can get that 77 00:03:24,279 --> 00:03:28,699 perspective. I, I will say, though, like, it's, um... No, no. It looks cool. Some of 78 00:03:28,699 --> 00:03:31,099 the stuff they have looks cool. I, I do actually wonder, 79 00:03:31,859 --> 00:03:34,299 um, with some of it, if... But, which by the way, folks, if you haven't gotten the 80 00:03:34,299 --> 00:03:37,719 chance to look at it, this is, like, a new design aesthetic that they're sort of 81 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:44,179 carrying across all of their different products. So from the TV to your MacBook 82 00:03:44,179 --> 00:03:45,039 -to your iPad- -Mm-hmm 83 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,199 ... to your phone to your watch, they're implementing this new design aesthetic, I 84 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:53,379 guess is what I can call it. Um, Liquid Glass is the idea, and they're wanting to 85 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:58,579 focus more on content. And so they want the controls to sort of get out of the 86 00:03:58,579 --> 00:03:59,959 -way, as it were- -Mm-hmm 87 00:03:59,959 --> 00:04:00,719 ... and 88 00:04:01,859 --> 00:04:04,139 to that end, they've made the controls 89 00:04:04,859 --> 00:04:06,919 more transparent, I suppose. The, 90 00:04:07,559 --> 00:04:11,499 uh, you know, at the bottom of your apps, normally you'll have a bar, like, an 91 00:04:11,499 --> 00:04:14,819 action bar that you can do things on, and what they've done is they've decided to 92 00:04:14,819 --> 00:04:19,099 make those contextual, almost. So you can think of, like, Dynamic Island at the top, 93 00:04:19,099 --> 00:04:20,459 -how it sort of changes- -Mm-hmm 94 00:04:20,459 --> 00:04:24,159 ... based on what live activities you have going on and things like that. Well, 95 00:04:24,159 --> 00:04:28,439 that, that section at the bottom sorta changes contextually based on where you're 96 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:30,819 at in the app. If you're scrolling and you're at the bottom, it's gonna be 97 00:04:30,819 --> 00:04:33,439 different than if you're coming back up to the top and it's, and it's whatever. And, 98 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:36,219 and then, and then it's transparent. It's not, like, a hard- 99 00:04:36,219 --> 00:04:37,499 -Yeah -... line color. It's- 100 00:04:37,499 --> 00:04:38,179 -No, it's frosted- -... it's a- 101 00:04:38,179 --> 00:04:40,719 -Frosted glass, basically. -Frosted glass. Sure. Yep. 102 00:04:40,719 --> 00:04:42,079 -Yeah. -And some of the effects that they have 103 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:45,099 moving between things is really interesting, so I don't know. It's okay. 104 00:04:45,099 --> 00:04:48,439 I, I'm wondering, like, accessibility-wise, the contrast didn't 105 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:53,039 seem that high. It seemed like for people who need higher contrast, even for just 106 00:04:53,039 --> 00:04:54,699 normal people who don't need higher contrast- 107 00:04:54,699 --> 00:04:58,459 -Yeah -... it seemed awfully close. Um, so 108 00:04:58,459 --> 00:05:02,099 anyway, I don't know. We'll see. I, I always love to kinda play with the new, 109 00:05:02,099 --> 00:05:04,339 the new designs and, and take a look at those, but... 110 00:05:05,359 --> 00:05:08,599 I don't know. Whatever, whatever it looks like outta the box is, is exactly how I'm 111 00:05:08,599 --> 00:05:13,479 gonna leave it. I'm definitely not going to customize my message background, so I, 112 00:05:13,479 --> 00:05:16,339 I can look at the icon and I know who I'm talking to. I don't need a 113 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:21,059 wacky-colored background. I don't need any of this stuff. Like, the frosted glass is 114 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:25,659 nice in things, like, in application where it's, like, the music app and the 115 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:29,879 controls are... Yeah. Okay, that's fine, 'cause it allows them to present the 116 00:05:30,779 --> 00:05:32,359 cover art more, but 117 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,179 it's not [laughs]... Like, you're not showing more of the, the background of the 118 00:05:37,179 --> 00:05:40,559 home screen because you've got all of these frosted glass elements because it's 119 00:05:40,559 --> 00:05:42,999 -all, it's all blurred anyway, so... -Yeah. 120 00:05:42,999 --> 00:05:43,839 -I don't know. It's- -Yeah. 121 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,359 Whatever. Like, I get it. But whatever the default is, however the icons look when I 122 00:05:48,359 --> 00:05:53,887 install iOS 26 now, 'cause they've decided to t-... number of these things 123 00:05:53,887 --> 00:05:57,927 based on the year that they- they're released ahead of, rather than, you know- 124 00:05:57,927 --> 00:06:00,607 -Ah, interesting. Okay -... sequential numbers. So, obviously, 125 00:06:00,607 --> 00:06:01,668 -this will come out in September. -Kind of like with, like, vehicles. 126 00:06:01,668 --> 00:06:03,128 -Because it comes out in September. -Yeah. 127 00:06:03,128 --> 00:06:06,027 Yeah, like cars. You know, it's coming out in September. There's no point in calling 128 00:06:06,027 --> 00:06:09,627 it iOS 25 because 25 is almost over, so we'll... You know, this is- 129 00:06:09,627 --> 00:06:11,907 -Right -... iOS 26. Which I- I get that. Whatever. 130 00:06:11,907 --> 00:06:15,947 Totally fine. Um, but, yeah. However it looks out of the box is exactly how I'm 131 00:06:15,947 --> 00:06:18,607 gonna leave it. I'm not gonna change it. I'm not gonna look for any... Like, I s- 132 00:06:18,607 --> 00:06:22,227 I've created one Genmoji. I'm go- okay, that was fun. 133 00:06:22,227 --> 00:06:22,887 -I know. -So... 134 00:06:22,887 --> 00:06:24,287 -I'm with you on that. Like- -I think- 135 00:06:24,287 --> 00:06:25,668 -... I've created a couple, but not many -... 136 00:06:26,307 --> 00:06:29,087 I think the... I think the interesting perspective is that I, I... And I didn't 137 00:06:29,087 --> 00:06:32,528 see that because this happened at 3:00 AM, so I haven't... Whatever has crossed my 138 00:06:32,528 --> 00:06:33,528 -timeline in- -Sure 139 00:06:33,528 --> 00:06:35,847 ... in Twitter is all I've seen. But, um, 140 00:06:37,447 --> 00:06:40,447 I think the, the interesting perspective is that they, like, they just didn't talk 141 00:06:40,447 --> 00:06:43,008 -about Siri or Apple Intelligence at all. -Mm-hmm. 142 00:06:43,008 --> 00:06:44,487 And, you know, everyone's obviously, 143 00:06:45,247 --> 00:06:49,487 um, the sky is falling at Apple, they're so far behind on AI, they can't... You 144 00:06:49,487 --> 00:06:51,227 know, it's like... I don't know. 145 00:06:51,907 --> 00:06:53,147 They don't have to talk about it. 146 00:06:53,867 --> 00:06:57,227 They haven't delivered on the stuff that they promised last year, really, so why 147 00:06:57,227 --> 00:06:59,987 would they bring that up? I d- I also don't think... Like, they're sticking 148 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:01,847 their heads in the sand a little bit as well, so. 149 00:07:01,847 --> 00:07:02,087 Yeah. 150 00:07:02,887 --> 00:07:06,387 But who knows? Like, it's a, it's a multi-trillion dollar company. Clearly, 151 00:07:06,387 --> 00:07:10,387 AIs... And I don't know how much of it is tech bubble stuff. You know, we're 152 00:07:10,387 --> 00:07:15,427 obviously on the bleeding edge of AI, um, as developers and people that are using 153 00:07:15,427 --> 00:07:18,667 this stuff. I don't know... Like, I don't talk to anyone 154 00:07:19,647 --> 00:07:22,067 outside of tech, really, that 155 00:07:22,907 --> 00:07:27,007 even acknowledges AI as a thing. You know, it's not... I get that there are 156 00:07:27,007 --> 00:07:30,687 productivity gains and there are things to be said for, for that. Like, 157 00:07:31,327 --> 00:07:32,307 there are certainly 158 00:07:33,387 --> 00:07:38,307 consumer-focused applications of AI that, that are out there. Um, 159 00:07:39,267 --> 00:07:43,807 but I think a lot of it... You know, OpenAI, all of this chat, ChatGPT stuff, 160 00:07:43,807 --> 00:07:48,067 all of the, like, Claude and Cursor, these are all developer-focused tools. 161 00:07:48,067 --> 00:07:48,367 Yeah. 162 00:07:49,247 --> 00:07:53,487 Um, I feel like AI from a consumer perspective is kind of being rammed down 163 00:07:53,487 --> 00:07:56,727 people's throats. You know, you go to Google and it's no longer Google search 164 00:07:56,727 --> 00:08:00,387 results, it's Gemini, you know, the AI stuff at the top of, of the- 165 00:08:00,387 --> 00:08:01,747 -Yeah -... Google search results. So, like, 166 00:08:02,507 --> 00:08:05,627 people are not seeking this out. It's Google saying here's... This is how we're 167 00:08:05,627 --> 00:08:08,807 gonna deliver search results to you now. So, I don't, 168 00:08:09,507 --> 00:08:10,567 I don't know. 169 00:08:11,367 --> 00:08:16,227 Like, yes, there are certainly applications of it that people would find 170 00:08:16,227 --> 00:08:17,587 useful. I just don't know 171 00:08:18,347 --> 00:08:19,327 how broad that is. 172 00:08:20,007 --> 00:08:22,867 Well, I feel like, I feel like the applications that they would find useful 173 00:08:22,867 --> 00:08:24,807 have been integrated. So, you know, this is, like- 174 00:08:24,807 --> 00:08:26,847 -Mm-hmm -... sort of Apple's thing, where it's like 175 00:08:27,447 --> 00:08:31,747 when near field communication stuff, like NFC stuff first came out, Android, all the 176 00:08:31,747 --> 00:08:36,347 phones were like, "Oh, now shipping with NFC." And it was like, "What are we 177 00:08:36,347 --> 00:08:37,967 supposed to do with this?" Like, you c- it's- 178 00:08:37,967 --> 00:08:40,087 -Yeah -... it's a useful sort of, like, uh, 179 00:08:40,087 --> 00:08:44,147 headline, I suppose, but there was nothing actually useful that you could do with 180 00:08:44,147 --> 00:08:45,347 -it, right? It was like- -Yeah. Yeah, yeah 181 00:08:45,347 --> 00:08:49,027 ... okay, get a tag, and, like, if- when you walk in your home, you can, you know, 182 00:08:49,027 --> 00:08:52,467 tap your phone to that tag and it will activate smart home things. Or it's like, 183 00:08:52,467 --> 00:08:55,327 or you could just talk to your Siri or whatever. And it's just- 184 00:08:55,327 --> 00:08:56,807 -Yeah. Yeah -... I don't know. It wa- it just... It 185 00:08:56,807 --> 00:08:58,727 -seemed gimmicky, right? Um- -Mm-hmm 186 00:08:58,727 --> 00:09:03,167 ... and so Apple doesn't ever seem really satisfied to just take the technology at 187 00:09:03,167 --> 00:09:07,687 face value and just push it out there, like a very unrefined, raw version of it. 188 00:09:07,687 --> 00:09:09,907 -Mm-hmm. -Instead, they integrate it into a product, 189 00:09:09,907 --> 00:09:14,147 like Genmoji or like some of the Playground stuff that they've done, where 190 00:09:14,147 --> 00:09:17,247 you can take photos and use them as reference images and sort of add on 191 00:09:17,247 --> 00:09:17,767 -additional things. -Mm-hmm. 192 00:09:17,767 --> 00:09:19,207 They- they've done that, so they've, they've- 193 00:09:19,207 --> 00:09:20,507 -Yeah -... pulled that in. They've made it 194 00:09:20,507 --> 00:09:22,407 consumer-facing. They've done things where 195 00:09:23,247 --> 00:09:27,127 you can highlight the text and have, um, have it rewrite it for you. "Hey, I want 196 00:09:27,127 --> 00:09:29,627 this to sound more professional. Hey, I want this to sound more..." whatever. You, 197 00:09:29,627 --> 00:09:33,407 you can do all that stuff. So, the, the practical applications of it, I think have 198 00:09:33,407 --> 00:09:36,587 been delivered on. I don't, I don't really know that there's a whole lot else. 199 00:09:36,587 --> 00:09:41,007 Um, but I will say, too, that, you know, it's not like they're disa- disallowing, 200 00:09:41,007 --> 00:09:43,067 -like, ChatGPT from your phone. -Yeah. 201 00:09:43,067 --> 00:09:48,867 Like, I have that on my phone. And, also, if I tell it to ask ChatGPT, it will. So 202 00:09:48,867 --> 00:09:49,147 -they'll- -Yeah 203 00:09:49,147 --> 00:09:50,347 -... they have, like, a first party- -Yeah 204 00:09:50,347 --> 00:09:52,267 ... you know, I don't know if it's first party, but they have an integration with 205 00:09:52,267 --> 00:09:53,987 it, so it's like if I want that type of answer- 206 00:09:53,987 --> 00:09:55,707 -Yeah -... I can just have it ask it. And so- 207 00:09:55,707 --> 00:09:56,847 -You can connect to your account. -I don't know, like- 208 00:09:56,847 --> 00:10:00,607 -You can do all that kinda stuff, um, so. -Totally. I'm not so worried about it. 209 00:10:00,607 --> 00:10:01,267 -Like, I feel- -Yeah 210 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:04,927 ... like I can get everything that I need to get without a whole bunch- 211 00:10:05,787 --> 00:10:07,807 -Mm-hmm -... of messing around. I, I think it's... 212 00:10:07,807 --> 00:10:10,607 Yeah, it's pretty good. So, I, I'm not too worried a- I'm not worried about that at 213 00:10:10,607 --> 00:10:10,847 all. 214 00:10:11,507 --> 00:10:13,267 -Um... -Yeah, I think when the time comes... And 215 00:10:13,267 --> 00:10:15,287 th- there was, like, a research paper that came out 216 00:10:16,127 --> 00:10:19,847 over the weekend, I think, or end of last week, from some researchers at Apple that 217 00:10:19,847 --> 00:10:24,947 basically said what we have now is peak AI. And, like, the, the approach is 218 00:10:24,947 --> 00:10:27,307 fundamentally flawed. Like, not, not flawed. 219 00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:31,407 It is fun- th- there is a ceiling that you, we just- 220 00:10:31,407 --> 00:10:32,967 -Mm-hmm -... won't get past with the approach that 221 00:10:32,967 --> 00:10:37,787 we're taking now, because it's just mimicry and, like, guessing based on what 222 00:10:37,787 --> 00:10:39,307 it already knows. It's not, 223 00:10:40,287 --> 00:10:40,967 um... 224 00:10:41,627 --> 00:10:45,827 You know, it's not able to infer stuff or create stuff or do stuff from scratch. You 225 00:10:45,827 --> 00:10:46,527 know, if we, if 226 00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:51,547 AGI is the goal, for better or worse, then the way that 227 00:10:52,347 --> 00:10:57,707 all of the known or all of the current stuff that is public, um, is being done is 228 00:10:57,707 --> 00:11:01,927 not gonna get, get us there. So, like, who's to say that Apple is not working on 229 00:11:01,927 --> 00:11:03,827 whatever the next thing is? You know, when the iPhone- 230 00:11:03,827 --> 00:11:05,607 -Yeah -... first launched, 231 00:11:06,327 --> 00:11:09,987 Google was making the next BlackBerry. They were, they were not even thinking. 232 00:11:09,987 --> 00:11:14,507 Now, you know, it might be OpenAI or it might be whoever else that comes up with 233 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:17,727 whatever the next thing is. You know, it might not be Apple. 234 00:11:18,487 --> 00:11:22,767 Um, you know, Apple has always been, like, a hardware company that, that tied all of 235 00:11:22,767 --> 00:11:24,407 the hardware together with software. 236 00:11:25,107 --> 00:11:25,907 I think that 237 00:11:26,607 --> 00:11:30,387 whatever the next evolution is, you know, maybe Apple is working on that, maybe 238 00:11:30,387 --> 00:11:32,807 Google is working on that, you know, all of this stuff that's happening. 239 00:11:33,727 --> 00:11:34,327 I think 240 00:11:35,567 --> 00:11:40,547 c- for consumers, you know, everyone was looking... Like I said, Google was making 241 00:11:40,547 --> 00:11:44,927 the next BlackBerry, and they were 12 months behind the ball when Apple came out 242 00:11:44,927 --> 00:11:49,363 with, like, this piece of glass-You know, this single pane of glass on the- 243 00:11:50,163 --> 00:11:53,723 on the iPhone, you know? It was like, "Oh, we've been thinking about this all wrong 244 00:11:53,723 --> 00:11:57,143 because we've been thinking about how do we improve what we have, not what do 245 00:11:57,143 --> 00:12:01,263 -people want next," kind of thing, so. -Yeah. Yeah. And I think too, it's like, 246 00:12:01,263 --> 00:12:05,443 you know, Apple doesn't ever seem to be the pioneer in the parti- particular 247 00:12:05,443 --> 00:12:07,004 technology. They seem to be like the perfecters- 248 00:12:07,004 --> 00:12:08,384 -Very rarely -... of it though. 249 00:12:08,384 --> 00:12:10,623 -Yeah. -Yeah, yeah. It's like, um... You know, 250 00:12:10,623 --> 00:12:12,703 just, so I mean, we were talking about NFC, right? But there's- there's a lot of 251 00:12:12,703 --> 00:12:13,384 -other- -Yeah, NFC. Yeah 252 00:12:13,384 --> 00:12:17,823 ... things like that where it's like, you know, contactless payments. Well, 253 00:12:17,823 --> 00:12:21,123 everybody had it, but nobody actually adopted it until Apple was like, "Nope, 254 00:12:21,123 --> 00:12:25,143 we're gonna actually roll this thing out properly, and now everybody's gonna have 255 00:12:25,143 --> 00:12:29,544 it." And everybody has it now. And so, it, um, you know, I- I don't think they 256 00:12:29,544 --> 00:12:31,904 typically are the first ones to enter a space. They really wanna make sure they 257 00:12:31,904 --> 00:12:35,484 nail it when they do. So, I was reading an article recently called, 258 00:12:36,283 --> 00:12:39,943 I think it was something like AI and the Horseless Carriage. And it was this idea 259 00:12:39,943 --> 00:12:40,803 that when- 260 00:12:42,683 --> 00:12:44,804 when they first came up with the automobile, 261 00:12:45,923 --> 00:12:48,823 they didn't call it the automobile. They called it the horseless carriage because 262 00:12:48,823 --> 00:12:52,863 all they had previous to that was carriages with horses pulling them. 263 00:12:52,863 --> 00:12:55,203 -Yeah. -And so they were still in this mode of, 264 00:12:55,203 --> 00:12:58,723 "Oh, it's a carriage. It's just a carriage without a horse. It's a horseless 265 00:12:58,723 --> 00:13:01,503 carriage." That was how it was advertised, and you still had the person sitting on 266 00:13:01,503 --> 00:13:03,063 -the outside of this thing. -Yeah. 267 00:13:03,063 --> 00:13:03,923 -Like, out on the front. -Yeah. 268 00:13:03,923 --> 00:13:07,083 Like, as if there would be a horse there normally, so it's just like you had this 269 00:13:07,083 --> 00:13:07,903 bizarre, 270 00:13:08,503 --> 00:13:08,883 like... 271 00:13:09,863 --> 00:13:13,323 They didn't know yet how to utilize the technology. They just sort of took the 272 00:13:13,323 --> 00:13:14,623 -horse away and that was it, right? -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 273 00:13:14,623 --> 00:13:17,083 And we're seeing sort of the inverse of that where it's like we've got these 274 00:13:17,083 --> 00:13:20,443 applications that have existed for forever, and now we're just sprinkling AI 275 00:13:20,443 --> 00:13:21,523 -on top of everything. -Yeah. [laughs] 276 00:13:21,523 --> 00:13:25,903 And the idea was like, no, no, no. We need a reinvention of these applications. 277 00:13:25,903 --> 00:13:28,503 -Right. -This is not email with AI on top. It's an 278 00:13:28,503 --> 00:13:31,803 -AI-enabled... Like, it's AI first inbox. -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 279 00:13:31,803 --> 00:13:35,783 Like. every piece that comes in is going to first be analyzed by, and then we're 280 00:13:35,783 --> 00:13:37,543 going to use the intelligence to only deliver- 281 00:13:37,543 --> 00:13:39,163 -Yeah -... to you the things that you need, and 282 00:13:39,163 --> 00:13:43,463 we're going to draft a response for you using a prompt that you provided that has 283 00:13:43,463 --> 00:13:46,063 context about you and your life and your tone of voice, right? 284 00:13:46,063 --> 00:13:48,343 -Mm-hmm. -That's what you need. That is the next 285 00:13:48,343 --> 00:13:49,543 -generation application. -Mm-hmm. 286 00:13:49,543 --> 00:13:50,623 -It's not a horseless carriage. -Yeah. 287 00:13:50,623 --> 00:13:52,063 -It's an automobile, right? -Yeah, yeah. 288 00:13:52,063 --> 00:13:55,523 And so that's- that was kind of the idea of the article, and I think that's... 289 00:13:55,523 --> 00:13:58,363 Hopefully that's where Apple's headed, and hopefully that's what they're thinking 290 00:13:58,363 --> 00:13:59,223 about too, so. 291 00:14:00,483 --> 00:14:04,843 I also think, interesting from a consumer perspective, like us as, you know, 292 00:14:04,843 --> 00:14:06,703 developers, engineers, whatever you wanna call 293 00:14:07,343 --> 00:14:12,363 our cohort of people, like yeah, we will be early adopters for this stuff, but 294 00:14:12,363 --> 00:14:13,023 we're also 295 00:14:14,083 --> 00:14:17,763 generally in a position financially to pay for this stuff. And, like, some people 296 00:14:17,763 --> 00:14:20,403 are spending hundreds of dollars a month on, 297 00:14:21,283 --> 00:14:24,863 um, you know, licenses... Not licenses. Subscriptions and tokens and- 298 00:14:24,863 --> 00:14:27,203 -Yeah -... what have you. Like, the average 299 00:14:27,203 --> 00:14:30,723 consumer, especially, you know, with the price of housing and the cost of living 300 00:14:30,723 --> 00:14:33,723 and all of that kind of stuff, I don't... You know, I assume it's fairly similar in 301 00:14:33,723 --> 00:14:37,363 the US for large portions of the population, but, like, in Australia, 302 00:14:37,363 --> 00:14:43,503 people are not gonna be spending $200 a month for, um, you know, GPT credits or 303 00:14:43,503 --> 00:14:46,203 Cloud credits or whatever else because- [laughs] 304 00:14:46,203 --> 00:14:48,103 -Yeah -... these- these are the... There's a 305 00:14:48,103 --> 00:14:52,163 large percentage of the population that, like, can't afford groceries week to week, 306 00:14:52,163 --> 00:14:53,263 you know? So, 307 00:14:54,883 --> 00:14:58,063 the economies of scale have to kick in before any of that stuff is viable anyway, 308 00:14:58,063 --> 00:15:00,203 -so. -Yeah, and I mean, these things aren't free 309 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:02,963 -either. Like, these- these- -No. Yeah, the compute, the- 310 00:15:02,963 --> 00:15:03,363 ... you know, these cycles they're running- 311 00:15:03,363 --> 00:15:06,183 -... electricity, all of this stuff. -... it's not- it's not insignificant. 312 00:15:06,183 --> 00:15:06,743 -Yeah, they're run- -No. 313 00:15:06,743 --> 00:15:09,383 You're a- you're running on VC bucks right now. You know, everything is. 314 00:15:09,383 --> 00:15:10,923 -Right. Yeah. -Um, but it- 315 00:15:10,923 --> 00:15:13,223 -Look, and look how much money, like- -... can't s- be sustained forever. 316 00:15:13,223 --> 00:15:18,003 Yeah, like, look how much money, um, Tesla has put into building out, you know, 317 00:15:18,003 --> 00:15:22,263 their compute clusters. Look how much money OpenAI is spending, how much, 318 00:15:22,943 --> 00:15:27,383 uh, money Microsoft is investing in Azure and building all these data centers and 319 00:15:27,383 --> 00:15:27,843 thing. Like, 320 00:15:28,543 --> 00:15:31,083 -this is not infinitely scalable with- -Right 321 00:15:31,083 --> 00:15:35,623 ... you know, current- current, um, technology in terms of power production 322 00:15:35,623 --> 00:15:37,783 and- and the power consumption. It's, you know, 323 00:15:38,943 --> 00:15:42,783 you know, there- there is a limit to- to what can be done with the current 324 00:15:42,783 --> 00:15:46,803 approach. And things are getting faster and things are certainly getting more 325 00:15:46,803 --> 00:15:51,623 economical, but I think there is still a ceiling. We can't keep, you know, churning 326 00:15:51,623 --> 00:15:55,683 through water and electricity and whatever else to- to power all of these 327 00:15:55,683 --> 00:15:56,283 things, so. 328 00:15:57,183 --> 00:15:57,443 Yeah. 329 00:15:58,123 --> 00:16:00,463 -Yeah. -Interesting. Well, that didn't go the way 330 00:16:00,463 --> 00:16:03,123 I was thinking it would, but it was still a very interesting discussion anyway. 331 00:16:03,123 --> 00:16:03,503 -Thank you- -Yeah 332 00:16:03,503 --> 00:16:04,703 ... for the insights on that. I love that. 333 00:16:04,703 --> 00:16:05,503 -That's all right. -Um, 334 00:16:06,223 --> 00:16:12,183 okay, so I have a couple items here. I- I- I have a few things that I'm just wanting 335 00:16:12,183 --> 00:16:15,483 to talk about as, like, a, "Do you think this is interesting?" Or I thought they 336 00:16:15,483 --> 00:16:17,723 -were interesting, maybe you will too. -Mm-hmm. 337 00:16:17,723 --> 00:16:19,343 And then I had a- 338 00:16:20,183 --> 00:16:24,303 maybe a scenario to share and/or a interesting 339 00:16:25,843 --> 00:16:29,203 question for where you would store particular values if you were wanting to 340 00:16:29,203 --> 00:16:32,903 generate pages that were sort of static. Where should we store that data? 341 00:16:32,903 --> 00:16:34,223 -Mm-hmm. -So I'll save that one towards the end. 342 00:16:34,223 --> 00:16:34,483 But, 343 00:16:35,143 --> 00:16:40,923 um, we've been working recently on our website for our job application page. 344 00:16:40,923 --> 00:16:45,503 Basically, like, who we are as a company, and if you want to come work with us, what 345 00:16:45,503 --> 00:16:47,663 our values are, what our culture is, 346 00:16:48,283 --> 00:16:51,543 what jobs are available, et cetera, right? Previous to the... Previous to this 347 00:16:51,543 --> 00:16:54,263 iteration, it was just a job board. Basically, here are the jobs we have 348 00:16:54,263 --> 00:16:57,183 available. You like it or you don't, go click and apply, right? 349 00:16:57,923 --> 00:17:01,943 And now we've sort of morphed it into who are we as a company? What are our values? 350 00:17:01,943 --> 00:17:05,603 What is our culture? Where are we at? What are our locations? How do you get here? 351 00:17:05,603 --> 00:17:09,643 What do you expect in an interview? Just a lot more content, right? And so, 352 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:14,523 to that end, we've got a new designer on the team and he's killing it, doing a 353 00:17:14,523 --> 00:17:17,703 great job, but it's basically pushed me back into this, um, 354 00:17:19,463 --> 00:17:19,743 this 355 00:17:20,563 --> 00:17:25,143 role that I really enjoy but don't really get a lot of time to spend, uh, on, which 356 00:17:25,143 --> 00:17:29,283 is just designing things or coming up with ideas for things that I think would be- 357 00:17:29,283 --> 00:17:30,563 would be interesting. And- and so 358 00:17:31,203 --> 00:17:34,563 I've been gathering some inspiration from a couple places around, and one place that 359 00:17:34,563 --> 00:17:39,203 I found that I thought was really, really good, uh, is Kit.com. 360 00:17:39,923 --> 00:17:43,323 So if you go to Kit.com/features, this is what used to be ConvertKit, right? They 361 00:17:43,323 --> 00:17:48,135 changed over to just Kit. So Kit.com/features is really cool.And one of 362 00:17:48,135 --> 00:17:52,616 the things that I really loved on their page is their use of video. Now, you know, 363 00:17:52,616 --> 00:17:57,035 video is not new at all. We've been using video on the web for a long time. 364 00:17:57,035 --> 00:17:57,535 However, 365 00:17:59,016 --> 00:18:03,775 I feel like the video format that we typically see on the web is quite static. 366 00:18:03,775 --> 00:18:08,995 It's typically a 16 by 9 window, it's got a big play button in it, and you play the 367 00:18:08,995 --> 00:18:12,075 video or you don't, right? And most of the time, you don't. I mean, like, unless 368 00:18:12,075 --> 00:18:15,076 you're going to somebody's page to see something, 369 00:18:15,775 --> 00:18:20,155 you know, like that, like, that's typically how videos are shown on, on web 370 00:18:20,155 --> 00:18:23,995 pages these days is, is that, "Hey, it's a video that we've put together for you to 371 00:18:23,995 --> 00:18:28,756 view. It's a minute long," whatever. Click then see. Eh, maybe, maybe not. Or you 372 00:18:28,756 --> 00:18:31,756 might have, like, video backgrounds which are pretty cool. There's some novel uses 373 00:18:31,756 --> 00:18:35,236 of video, uh, where, like, you scroll the page and it advances. You know, they're 374 00:18:35,236 --> 00:18:39,216 using mp4s instead of, like, a GIF or something like that and, sort of, because 375 00:18:39,216 --> 00:18:42,275 they're more efficient, maybe they're advancing as you scroll the page. Y- maybe 376 00:18:42,275 --> 00:18:45,355 you've seen some of that. So tho- those are kind of cool but, but whatever. The 377 00:18:45,355 --> 00:18:48,875 thing I really like about what Kit has done is instead of using that 16 by 9 378 00:18:48,875 --> 00:18:53,475 format, they've done more like a square format. So if I was to... You know, they 379 00:18:53,475 --> 00:18:57,835 have, like, a employee testimonial on the page, so it's a stripe across the page, 380 00:18:57,835 --> 00:19:02,635 and on the left-hand side, they have, um, like, a square or maybe a little bit 381 00:19:02,635 --> 00:19:06,075 taller than wide. So maybe it's rectangular, it's a little bit taller than 382 00:19:06,075 --> 00:19:06,595 -that. -Yeah, slightly. 383 00:19:06,595 --> 00:19:09,975 But it's, it's where you would normally see, like, an avatar, right? You'd see- 384 00:19:09,975 --> 00:19:11,855 -Mm-hmm. -You'd, you'd think like, okay, I have a, a 385 00:19:11,855 --> 00:19:14,575 testimonial on the right, I'm gonna have, like, a circle avatar or I'm gonna have, 386 00:19:14,575 --> 00:19:17,695 like, some sort of, like, you know, square-ish sort of avatar there. But it's 387 00:19:17,695 --> 00:19:19,655 -not, it's a video. -Yeah. 388 00:19:19,655 --> 00:19:23,535 Which is really cool. And it's autoplaying but with 389 00:19:24,555 --> 00:19:29,675 no audio, right? And so what it does is it just has, like, the first five, six 390 00:19:29,675 --> 00:19:33,355 seconds of the video playing there for you, sort of like what you would have if 391 00:19:33,355 --> 00:19:37,915 you're on YouTube and you mouse over a Short. It starts to play that first five, 392 00:19:37,915 --> 00:19:41,555 six seconds of the clip, and then it repeats. You know what I'm saying? And 393 00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:43,555 -then if you wanna watch that- -It kinda makes it a GIF that bounces 394 00:19:43,555 --> 00:19:47,575 ... if that piques your interest, yes, then you can click on it. Um, and so what 395 00:19:47,575 --> 00:19:50,935 it has is it has this really neat little icon at the top, which is this black 396 00:19:50,935 --> 00:19:53,835 circle that has audio and, you know, you hover over it and it says, "Click for 397 00:19:53,835 --> 00:19:54,955 -sound." You click it- -Mm-hmm 398 00:19:54,955 --> 00:19:58,475 ... and it will begin to play. And then if you click it again, it will pause it with 399 00:19:58,475 --> 00:20:01,555 a big pause button, and if you click it again, it'll play, right? So all these 400 00:20:01,555 --> 00:20:05,355 sort of considerations that you'd make for how do I expose the idea that this is a 401 00:20:05,355 --> 00:20:09,075 playable thing to them without bi- putting a big play button on it- 402 00:20:09,075 --> 00:20:10,755 -Yeah -... are available. It's moving, so it's, 403 00:20:10,755 --> 00:20:15,555 like, intuitive, "Oh, this is a video I can play. Very cool." Um, and then things 404 00:20:15,555 --> 00:20:16,475 that are difficult 405 00:20:17,255 --> 00:20:17,595 to 406 00:20:18,615 --> 00:20:22,635 do with it on mobile are also considered. So I was like, "This is a really great 407 00:20:22,635 --> 00:20:26,855 pattern. I love this idea of using video in a different format." It's, it's unique. 408 00:20:26,855 --> 00:20:28,075 It's, um, 409 00:20:29,135 --> 00:20:32,935 uh, it's, like, really tasteful. It's done really well, and it's, it's, um, it, it 410 00:20:32,935 --> 00:20:35,115 feels like the right place and the right way to use it. However, 411 00:20:36,435 --> 00:20:39,935 we tried to make something like this on our own. It's near impossible 412 00:20:40,655 --> 00:20:44,135 to come up with... You know, nobody has embeds for this stuff other than, like, a 413 00:20:44,135 --> 00:20:44,435 -16... -Yeah. 414 00:20:44,435 --> 00:20:46,655 You know, you're gonna use YouTube? Not working. It's not gonna work. You're gonna 415 00:20:46,655 --> 00:20:47,995 -use Vimeo? You can't do it. -Mm-hmm. 416 00:20:47,995 --> 00:20:52,315 Like, so you either have to roll your own, which is a pain in the butt, because 417 00:20:52,315 --> 00:20:56,195 using those different aspect ratios, where are you gonna host it? Um, you know, then 418 00:20:56,195 --> 00:21:00,035 you're gonna have to do your own video tag. It's a pain in the neck. And then you 419 00:21:00,035 --> 00:21:02,835 have to do the, the click-to-do, you have to do the, uh, the autoplay. 420 00:21:02,835 --> 00:21:03,355 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -It's a mess. 421 00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:08,575 So what I found out is that kit.com uses Wistia, which I had never heard of before, 422 00:21:08,575 --> 00:21:10,495 but it is a video hosting platform 423 00:21:11,155 --> 00:21:16,135 where they allow you to do all these things. Uh, custom embed sizes, uh, this 424 00:21:16,135 --> 00:21:19,475 au- you know, this click-to-play audio thing that's, it's a thing. They, they, 425 00:21:19,475 --> 00:21:21,055 -they just already have it. -Yeah. 426 00:21:21,055 --> 00:21:24,275 And then they also have, I think it's called, like, Tesseract or something like 427 00:21:24,275 --> 00:21:29,315 that. I can't remember exactly, but it's essentially how they deliver the video to 428 00:21:29,315 --> 00:21:31,135 con- to, to, um, 429 00:21:32,175 --> 00:21:34,715 to devices, right? How, how they really are... 430 00:21:34,715 --> 00:21:37,195 -Yeah. -They're insanely, uh, obsessed with 431 00:21:37,195 --> 00:21:43,235 efficiently delivering these experiences to users in a very, um, low bandwidth way. 432 00:21:43,235 --> 00:21:46,735 And so they've got not only their first version, they've got their second version 433 00:21:46,735 --> 00:21:50,795 out, which was even faster. And so it's something like 90% faster or something 434 00:21:50,795 --> 00:21:55,375 than YouTube or Vimeo's embeds. Really lightweight, really good stuff. And so 435 00:21:55,375 --> 00:21:58,775 we've been using them. I was like, "Screw it. Switch out all of our videos that even 436 00:21:58,775 --> 00:22:03,215 use YouTube or Vimeo for embeds and put this in there instead." I've been so 437 00:22:03,215 --> 00:22:08,015 pleased. It is really good, and their embeds are awesome. I pay, I think it's 438 00:22:08,015 --> 00:22:13,935 like 12 bucks a month we're paying. Totally worth it. And, um, just, just 439 00:22:13,935 --> 00:22:18,455 super impressed. So huge shout-out to kit.com because their stuff looks great, 440 00:22:18,455 --> 00:22:22,295 and, um, I'd be lying if I didn't say we're essentially just ripping off some of 441 00:22:22,295 --> 00:22:23,835 -those ideas in some of our- -[laughs] 442 00:22:23,835 --> 00:22:26,435 ... [laughs] in some of our testimonial stuff. I'm like, "Why reinvent this? This 443 00:22:26,435 --> 00:22:27,475 -looks so good, I'm gonna-" -Yeah. 444 00:22:27,475 --> 00:22:31,555 "... I'm gonna kinda go with this." Um, but wistia.com has been really cool, so 445 00:22:31,555 --> 00:22:32,835 -definitely check that out. -Nice. 446 00:22:32,835 --> 00:22:35,875 Um, if you're looking for something novel like that, I just thought it was really 447 00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:36,135 cool. 448 00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:37,035 Hmm. 449 00:22:37,835 --> 00:22:42,215 Very interesting. Yeah, it's always, uh, interesting to look at these video 450 00:22:42,215 --> 00:22:43,735 delivery tools, 451 00:22:44,415 --> 00:22:47,175 platforms, whatever it is, um, and, like, 452 00:22:48,055 --> 00:22:51,055 -fairly reasonably priced in terms of... -Yeah, totally. 453 00:22:51,055 --> 00:22:51,375 Um, 454 00:22:52,375 --> 00:22:54,915 you know, the free plan is 200 gig of bandwidth and, 455 00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:55,935 um, 456 00:22:57,235 --> 00:22:59,955 -what is it, 10, I guess, 10 files? -Mm-hmm. 457 00:22:59,955 --> 00:23:01,675 Is that, that what they're saying here? So- 458 00:23:01,675 --> 00:23:02,535 -Yep -... you know, if you're just getting 459 00:23:02,535 --> 00:23:05,335 started with something, you're probably not gonna serve a great deal of content, 460 00:23:05,335 --> 00:23:08,215 and I assume that they're doing all the transcode and things like that as well, so 461 00:23:08,215 --> 00:23:10,215 -they're delivering optimized media and- -Being able to leverage media. 462 00:23:10,215 --> 00:23:11,735 -Yeah. So- -Everything. 463 00:23:11,735 --> 00:23:12,135 -That's- -Yep 464 00:23:12,135 --> 00:23:13,635 ... that's really cool. Professional hosting. 465 00:23:13,635 --> 00:23:16,395 -It is. -No code replacement, video SEO, video 466 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,555 chaptering using AI. There you go. Video creation. It's just, like, a whole heap of 467 00:23:19,555 --> 00:23:21,875 different stuff. So if you're looking for- 468 00:23:21,875 --> 00:23:23,595 -Yep -... for video stuff and you're, you're not 469 00:23:23,595 --> 00:23:27,155 Aaron Francis and you don't wanna go out and build your own thing that serves video 470 00:23:27,155 --> 00:23:28,495 -off of Cloudflare- -Yeah. 471 00:23:28,495 --> 00:23:29,015 -Um- -Yeah 472 00:23:29,015 --> 00:23:31,295 ... then yeah, maybe, maybe consider this. So- 473 00:23:31,295 --> 00:23:32,175 -Totally. -There's, like, 474 00:23:33,015 --> 00:23:33,195 the... 475 00:23:33,795 --> 00:23:37,575 Having, having worked in this space a while ago now, you know, all of this stuff 476 00:23:37,575 --> 00:23:41,195 exists now that didn't really exist back then, which is why we built a platform to, 477 00:23:41,195 --> 00:23:44,675 to do it all. There's just so much involved in terms of transcode and then 478 00:23:44,675 --> 00:23:48,515 videos, and then devices become problematic because, you know, if you 479 00:23:48,515 --> 00:23:51,635 think you're testing on, like, your Chrome device but you don't have access to all 480 00:23:51,635 --> 00:23:54,535 of the different Android devices, and all the different Android and Google devices 481 00:23:54,535 --> 00:23:59,503 do things differently with t-Video playback and autoplay. That does or 482 00:23:59,503 --> 00:24:03,583 doesn't work and different, you know, bit rates and things. It's just to, to have a 483 00:24:03,583 --> 00:24:07,163 platform, like, if, especially if it's not your focus, if your focus is just 484 00:24:07,163 --> 00:24:09,963 delivering video content to the internet for people to consume. 485 00:24:10,683 --> 00:24:14,263 Um, and, and, like, if you wanna have some control over it, obviously if you don't 486 00:24:14,263 --> 00:24:17,443 care too much, you'd put it on YouTube or, or whatever else and just link to YouTube 487 00:24:17,443 --> 00:24:21,083 directly. But if you're wanting to present stuff on your own website, then 488 00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:23,863 yeah, something like this is, is great. Even, even like their- 489 00:24:23,863 --> 00:24:26,543 -Yeah -... paid plan at $25 a month is, is pretty 490 00:24:26,543 --> 00:24:28,583 reasonable. Um, and that allows you to customize- 491 00:24:28,583 --> 00:24:30,664 -Yeah. Exactly -... the player as well. Clickable video 492 00:24:30,664 --> 00:24:33,344 CTAs, which is, I, I assume is what you're doing, so. 493 00:24:33,344 --> 00:24:35,004 -Yeah. Yep. There's... -[clears throat] 494 00:24:35,004 --> 00:24:38,324 I mean, there's really, there's a whole suite of things you can do, and if you get 495 00:24:38,324 --> 00:24:40,863 into, like, their features, they, they've got... I mean, even if you go to 496 00:24:40,863 --> 00:24:45,043 wistia.com, they've also got really novel uses of video throughout their whole site, 497 00:24:45,043 --> 00:24:48,824 obviously, right? That's what they're selling. And so, um, if you look through 498 00:24:48,824 --> 00:24:51,743 their stuff, there's some really cool things that you can do or that, you know, 499 00:24:51,743 --> 00:24:56,523 that are just, like, sort of inspiration things. I, I think for me, what it is too 500 00:24:56,523 --> 00:24:59,823 is it's, I, I'm hoping to get something that somebody's going to, it's gonna make 501 00:24:59,823 --> 00:25:02,043 -them pause on the page. -Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 502 00:25:02,043 --> 00:25:02,363 And 503 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:06,844 I think, you know, one of the things that will hook my attention... Well, currently, 504 00:25:06,844 --> 00:25:09,943 right now, like, a great way to hook my attention is something that looks like a 505 00:25:09,943 --> 00:25:11,503 -short, you know? -Mm-hmm. 506 00:25:11,503 --> 00:25:14,423 Everybody's pushing this concept. I think we were just talking, I was just 507 00:25:14,423 --> 00:25:17,543 listening, I think Aaron, Aaron and Ian were just talking about this, how, like, 508 00:25:18,263 --> 00:25:21,964 YouTube, you know, YouTube is pushing shorts. Like, you know, when you go to 509 00:25:21,964 --> 00:25:25,224 their Apple TV official app and, like, shorts are at the very top. 510 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:27,164 -Yeah. -Like, they, they've recognized, people 511 00:25:27,164 --> 00:25:29,644 recognize that, whether it's TikTok, whether it's Instagram- 512 00:25:29,644 --> 00:25:31,043 -Mm-hmm -... or whether it's Threads, whatever, 513 00:25:31,043 --> 00:25:32,883 -right? The- -Yeah, everyone wants a quick content clip 514 00:25:32,883 --> 00:25:35,103 -of something -Yeah. Correct. Nobody wants a minute and a 515 00:25:35,103 --> 00:25:36,223 -half video. Nobody wants a- -Yeah 516 00:25:36,223 --> 00:25:40,164 ... minute video. They just want something quick. And sort of appealing to that same 517 00:25:40,164 --> 00:25:44,964 aesthetic, giving a, like, a differently shaped video that's autoplaying, hooking 518 00:25:44,964 --> 00:25:51,683 into that, I think is a great way to sort of utilize, um, or sort of hack the 519 00:25:51,683 --> 00:25:55,043 attention of those users because that's what they're used to already, right? 520 00:25:55,043 --> 00:25:57,923 -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -So, um, when reading an article not too 521 00:25:57,923 --> 00:26:02,803 long ago about web patterns, they were like, "Don't reinvent the wheel." Like, 522 00:26:02,803 --> 00:26:07,063 look at what Amazon is doing. They've spent millions of dollars in research to 523 00:26:07,063 --> 00:26:09,543 -figure out the best way to do this. Just- -Mm-hmm 524 00:26:09,543 --> 00:26:11,203 ... borrow what they're already doing, right? 525 00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:13,443 -Yeah. -And so this is the same idea. Like, 526 00:26:13,443 --> 00:26:16,723 they've, people have already figured this out. This autoplay thing really captures 527 00:26:16,723 --> 00:26:17,743 -people attention- -Mm-hmm 528 00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:20,023 ... people's attention, and they already know, they've already been trained to 529 00:26:20,023 --> 00:26:21,903 click on the video if they wanna watch the rest of it. 530 00:26:21,903 --> 00:26:23,983 -Yeah. -Utilize it. Hack that thing, right? Grab 531 00:26:23,983 --> 00:26:25,943 -their attention that way. -Yeah. Yeah, there, there are certain 532 00:26:25,943 --> 00:26:30,303 things that, like, you look at these giant companies and you shouldn't do. You know, 533 00:26:30,303 --> 00:26:31,543 obviously you don't need, 534 00:26:32,283 --> 00:26:36,923 you don't need Amazon scale infrastructure for your 50 view a month [laughs] blog or 535 00:26:36,923 --> 00:26:38,943 -anything like that. But in terms of- -Right 536 00:26:38,943 --> 00:26:41,243 ... this kind of stuff where they've, they've invested 537 00:26:42,203 --> 00:26:45,603 tons of time and money to, to figure out what people are actually clicking on, 538 00:26:45,603 --> 00:26:48,583 because what they want is for people to click on stuff. 539 00:26:48,583 --> 00:26:49,723 -Yeah. -Then, you know, those are the kinds of 540 00:26:49,723 --> 00:26:53,163 things that you can leverage. I will say that, like, I hate seeing YouTube shorts 541 00:26:53,163 --> 00:26:56,283 on my TV 'cause if I'm opening my TV, like, I wanna watch something on the big 542 00:26:56,283 --> 00:26:57,783 -screen. I don't wanna watch [laughs]- -Yeah 543 00:26:57,783 --> 00:26:59,903 -... vertical resolution short- -Yeah, totally 544 00:26:59,903 --> 00:27:01,623 -... on, on my TV, so. -Yeah. 545 00:27:01,623 --> 00:27:05,343 But, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely, um, interesting. I like, I 546 00:27:05,343 --> 00:27:08,443 like those little testimonial type things. I should, uh- 547 00:27:08,443 --> 00:27:09,323 -Mm-hmm -... use that- 548 00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:10,583 -Mm-hmm -... for something in the future. 549 00:27:12,243 --> 00:27:12,543 Um, 550 00:27:13,163 --> 00:27:13,983 maybe for Laracon. 551 00:27:14,963 --> 00:27:16,883 -Maybe for Laracon, yeah. I wanna- -Do you wanna talk, do you wanna talk about 552 00:27:16,883 --> 00:27:19,343 Laracon real quick before I, before I jump into- 553 00:27:19,343 --> 00:27:19,383 We can talk, we can talk about other Laracons 554 00:27:19,383 --> 00:27:21,483 -... either of my other two, uh- -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 555 00:27:21,483 --> 00:27:22,783 -... topics? Yeah. All right. -Well, where- 556 00:27:22,783 --> 00:27:23,583 -Let's just do that. -You and I- 557 00:27:23,583 --> 00:27:26,103 I'm gonna grab my water bo- I'm gonna refill my water bottle while you do that. 558 00:27:26,103 --> 00:27:28,323 Water bottle. Yeah, yeah. That's fine. So you, you and I- 559 00:27:28,323 --> 00:27:31,423 -While this thing is going. -As, as part of Laravel New- Like, last 560 00:27:31,423 --> 00:27:34,783 year you, you did with David Hemphill, like, a bit of a, 561 00:27:35,443 --> 00:27:39,603 a recap of day one. So I think you and I we're gonna try and do a day one, day two 562 00:27:39,603 --> 00:27:44,443 recap as a, as a "official Laravel News" thing. But then I think we're also gonna 563 00:27:44,443 --> 00:27:48,843 look at wandering around and doing some vox pops, which, you know, is a Latin 564 00:27:48,843 --> 00:27:52,723 thing that I forget the full version of it. It's basically going round and, and 565 00:27:52,723 --> 00:27:56,523 catching people's opinions. And, and I'm sure Eric will get that edited up 'cause I 566 00:27:56,523 --> 00:28:00,183 don't wanna do it, but I'm sure [laughs] he'll do something with that where we take 567 00:28:00,183 --> 00:28:02,883 all those opinions from people. We'll talk about, you know, the highlights, the, 568 00:28:02,883 --> 00:28:05,323 the, you know, the reasons that you attend a conference, et cetera, et cetera, 569 00:28:05,323 --> 00:28:06,643 and put them together into some, 570 00:28:07,263 --> 00:28:11,483 some content for Laravel News around the place. So, if you see Jake and I wandering 571 00:28:11,483 --> 00:28:13,963 -around with microphones at Laracon A- -Yes, yes 572 00:28:13,963 --> 00:28:18,503 ... uh, La- Laracon in Denver, then, uh, you will know why. Um, and yeah, we'll 573 00:28:18,503 --> 00:28:22,583 probably do some similar... Like, I just ran out of time to do it at Laracon AU 574 00:28:22,583 --> 00:28:23,963 last year, but I'd be keen to 575 00:28:24,643 --> 00:28:28,063 do that kind of thing as well. 'Cause it's nice to have the, the testimonials and 576 00:28:28,063 --> 00:28:30,843 things like that up on the website, you know, for people that are on the fence or 577 00:28:30,843 --> 00:28:34,183 are trying to sell it to their employers and things like that. Why, why would I go 578 00:28:34,183 --> 00:28:34,823 to this thing? 579 00:28:35,563 --> 00:28:39,743 Um, some, you know, some places are more difficult than others to, to sell it into, 580 00:28:39,743 --> 00:28:40,083 so, 581 00:28:41,023 --> 00:28:45,443 um, yeah. We definitely, definitely wanna see what we can do with, with that kind of 582 00:28:45,443 --> 00:28:46,683 -stuff as well. 'Cause- -We're excited for that 583 00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:49,823 ... it needs to be more than just m- my face on videos, I think. [laughs] 584 00:28:49,823 --> 00:28:54,003 [laughs] Right. Yeah. They said that they're gonna have, like, a green room at, 585 00:28:54,003 --> 00:28:56,403 -um, Laracon this year sort of reserved- -Mm-hmm 586 00:28:56,403 --> 00:28:57,923 ... for podcasting stuff, so I just think- 587 00:28:57,923 --> 00:28:58,603 -Yeah. -That's a great idea. 588 00:28:58,603 --> 00:29:00,523 -Pretty cool. -That was really cool. So should be fun 589 00:29:00,523 --> 00:29:01,783 -times. -Yeah. Looking forward to it. It's, um, 590 00:29:01,783 --> 00:29:05,343 it's coming up quick now. What are we? Tenth of, tenth of June, ninth of June. So 591 00:29:05,343 --> 00:29:09,123 we're only, you know, what? Six or so weeks? Five, six weeks away from- 592 00:29:09,123 --> 00:29:11,543 -Yeah -... me jumping on a plane for- 593 00:29:11,543 --> 00:29:13,783 -Yeah -... 72 hours of travel for a 48 hour 594 00:29:13,783 --> 00:29:17,123 -[laughs] stopover. [laughs] -Mm-hmm. And right now, right now- 595 00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:20,063 I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be so tired. [laughs] 596 00:29:20,063 --> 00:29:22,883 Yeah, dude. You are going to be toast. You better just start getting- 597 00:29:22,883 --> 00:29:24,783 -I get there- -... sleep. Banking sleep right now. 598 00:29:24,783 --> 00:29:26,843 -Yes. Stop, stop banking it. -For when... Yeah. Six weeks from now. Yep. 599 00:29:26,843 --> 00:29:29,663 I am... Monday I leave at, like, 6:00 AM 600 00:29:29,663 --> 00:29:34,783 here, fly to Sydney, then fly to Dallas to Denver. Um, so I'll, I'll get to Dallas 601 00:29:34,783 --> 00:29:39,523 at... I, I leave at, I leave Sydney at 10:00 and I get to Dallas at 10:30 on 602 00:29:39,523 --> 00:29:43,883 Monday. On the same day, 'cause time zones are lots of fun. And then I think I get 603 00:29:43,883 --> 00:29:48,763 in at, like, 3:00 PM on, on Monday arvo to, to Denver, and then, uh... So I'm 604 00:29:48,763 --> 00:29:51,603 traveling with Aaron. So OG Aaron will be there with me. 605 00:29:52,343 --> 00:29:54,563 -Even though you saw him? -And, uh, we'll be there for, uh... 606 00:29:54,563 --> 00:29:57,843 Unfortunately, our return flight got changed. We were supposed to leave at, 607 00:29:57,843 --> 00:30:00,683 like, 5:00 PM or something like that on Thursday. 608 00:30:00,683 --> 00:30:02,743 -Mm-hmm. -And the flight got-... brought forward to 609 00:30:02,743 --> 00:30:04,743 11 AM. So instead of having a day in Denver- 610 00:30:04,743 --> 00:30:06,783 -Yeah -... we're gonna have eight hours to kick 611 00:30:06,783 --> 00:30:09,704 around LAX on the way back, so... [inhales] 612 00:30:09,704 --> 00:30:11,403 -No good. No good. -That's a... That'll be, that'll be 613 00:30:11,403 --> 00:30:14,564 interesting. But, uh, we might venture out to... There's, I think, on the strip 614 00:30:14,564 --> 00:30:18,783 outside of the airport, there's like Five Guys, Chick-fil-A, and In-N-Out Burger. I 615 00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:21,484 said, "Let's just do all three of them. What's the worst that could happen?" You 616 00:30:21,484 --> 00:30:22,043 -know? -Nice. Absolutely. Yeah. 617 00:30:22,043 --> 00:30:23,984 There's a 16-hour flight ahead of us and three different- 618 00:30:23,984 --> 00:30:25,744 -Totally -... types of burger. [laughs] 619 00:30:25,744 --> 00:30:26,363 [laughs] 620 00:30:27,064 --> 00:30:30,603 Yeah, that'll be glorious. I, I, I wanna hear about that when you get back. Maybe 621 00:30:30,603 --> 00:30:34,064 -it's- maybe, like, uh, -... on India from last year, right? Like, 622 00:30:34,064 --> 00:30:35,843 -just that, uh.... -Ah, yeah. 623 00:30:35,843 --> 00:30:39,924 We won't go into details. We won't go into details on that, but, but yeah. Uh, yeah, 624 00:30:39,924 --> 00:30:42,863 no, dude, I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be a great time, and, and, um, 625 00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:48,623 Denver's a great place. Like, there's a lot of fun stuff to do there, and so, um, 626 00:30:48,623 --> 00:30:51,843 really excited for that too. I, I think that they're actually... I heard that they 627 00:30:51,843 --> 00:30:53,803 might be doing a golf outing previous to- 628 00:30:53,803 --> 00:30:55,764 Yeah, some golfing on, on Monday, yeah. 629 00:30:56,584 --> 00:30:58,423 -Something like that, so... -And I'm going to my first golf lesson 630 00:30:58,423 --> 00:31:01,003 -tomorrow. -Oh. You, you can- 631 00:31:01,003 --> 00:31:01,604 -True story -... get into it. 632 00:31:01,604 --> 00:31:06,463 We, we've, we've been... Well, so, uh, my son and I have been golfing recently. 633 00:31:06,463 --> 00:31:07,003 -Um... -Mm-hmm. 634 00:31:07,663 --> 00:31:11,143 Uh, and so I'm... It's been super enjoyable, a lot of fun. And so we've both 635 00:31:11,143 --> 00:31:13,403 -kinda caught the bug again, so- -[laughs] 636 00:31:13,403 --> 00:31:16,503 ... there's a kid that we know who's a really decent golfer, and he's, like, 637 00:31:16,503 --> 00:31:19,444 offering lessons this summer. He, he went to... He, you know, he's got a scholarship 638 00:31:19,444 --> 00:31:22,903 at college to play, and so I'm like, "Heck, I mean, what's the worst that could 639 00:31:22,903 --> 00:31:24,083 -happen? I'm sure he'll help me-" -Yeah. 640 00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:26,863 "... do some stuff better." And so, yeah, we're going to some lessons tomorrow, 641 00:31:26,863 --> 00:31:29,863 which should be fun, but I don't know. I'm, I might try and get in on that. The 642 00:31:29,863 --> 00:31:32,924 only problem is, like, I have to, like, ship my clubs there, you know, so... 643 00:31:32,924 --> 00:31:34,003 -Yeah. -May- they might have- 644 00:31:34,003 --> 00:31:35,083 -I'm sure they'll have some -... rentals, though. I think they actually 645 00:31:35,083 --> 00:31:35,823 -have rentals. -Yeah, they'll have rentals. 646 00:31:35,823 --> 00:31:36,624 -Maybe I- -Yeah. 647 00:31:36,624 --> 00:31:38,743 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Yeah, maybe I'll do that. We'll see. 648 00:31:38,743 --> 00:31:43,924 I'm sure it'll be fine. Yeah, no, I think I'll have to miss it just because s- it's 649 00:31:43,924 --> 00:31:47,563 too hard. Like, this is the first time that I have been, obviously since the kids 650 00:31:47,563 --> 00:31:48,903 -were born. Uh, well- -Yeah 651 00:31:48,903 --> 00:31:54,803 ... sorry, first time since New York in 2019. So Eli was, like, one year old then. 652 00:31:54,803 --> 00:31:58,663 So it's, it's been a while, and I, I, I'm... I've got the leave pass, but it's, 653 00:31:58,663 --> 00:32:02,843 like, go and come back in as short a period of time as you can. So, yeah- 654 00:32:02,843 --> 00:32:06,003 -For sure -... leave, leave Monday, back Saturday, 655 00:32:07,223 --> 00:32:09,383 -because time zones again. So w- I missed- -Mm-hmm 656 00:32:09,383 --> 00:32:10,983 -... all of Friday, but, um- -Yep. 657 00:32:10,983 --> 00:32:14,783 Fortunately, fortunately, it is the week after Liv starts school, so I won't miss 658 00:32:14,783 --> 00:32:17,503 her first week, which is, which is good. Um, she just had- 659 00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:18,163 -No, that's- -... her second- 660 00:32:18,163 --> 00:32:19,903 -Yeah -... second transition visit today, which 661 00:32:19,903 --> 00:32:20,543 she was a bit, 662 00:32:21,483 --> 00:32:24,903 um, bit upset about. Like, she didn't wanna go, it was gonna be too boring, it 663 00:32:24,903 --> 00:32:26,263 -was gonna be too long. -[laughs] 664 00:32:26,263 --> 00:32:29,223 And then she didn't wanna leave when Rhee went to pick her up, and then she didn't 665 00:32:29,223 --> 00:32:32,263 wanna go back to kindy. She's like, "Can you pick me up at lunchtime?" We're like, 666 00:32:32,263 --> 00:32:34,263 "No, no. You've..." You know, "We're working, you've gotta 667 00:32:34,903 --> 00:32:40,103 go, go and do that." So she's only got a few weeks of, of, uh, kindy, kindergarten 668 00:32:40,103 --> 00:32:43,023 left before she starts school, which is exciting, and, 669 00:32:43,863 --> 00:32:44,163 um, 670 00:32:45,143 --> 00:32:48,703 yeah, it's a bit... When you stop and think about it, it's like, wow, it's, um, 671 00:32:49,543 --> 00:32:53,683 five, just almost five years of, of her life have already just, like, blown by. 672 00:32:53,683 --> 00:32:56,543 -Yeah, dude, that's wild. -And it's, it's Eli's birthday today. He 673 00:32:56,543 --> 00:32:57,663 turns seven, so 674 00:32:59,103 --> 00:33:03,283 it's just... Time flies, really. I said to him, walking him to school this morning, 675 00:33:03,283 --> 00:33:06,383 like, "It, it feels like just yesterday we were bringing you home from the hospital, 676 00:33:06,383 --> 00:33:07,343 -and here you are-" -Yeah. 677 00:33:07,343 --> 00:33:08,203 -"... like, halfway through-" -Yeah 678 00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:12,383 -"... your second year of school, so." -Yep. Big kids, man. Uh, if you... Do you 679 00:33:12,383 --> 00:33:13,543 know who Ben Rector is? 680 00:33:15,183 --> 00:33:17,163 -No. No, I don't think so. -He's a, he's a, he's a musician. 681 00:33:17,843 --> 00:33:20,163 -Okay. -Um, [sighs] I picked up listening to Ben 682 00:33:20,163 --> 00:33:22,943 Rector, I don't know, the first time I heard any of his songs was probably, like, 683 00:33:22,943 --> 00:33:27,443 15 or 16 years ago, I think. I just sorta happened across it on MusicBed. David 684 00:33:27,443 --> 00:33:28,483 -Hemphill used to work there. -Oh, yeah. 685 00:33:28,483 --> 00:33:29,423 -And so- -Mm-hmm 686 00:33:29,423 --> 00:33:32,463 ... I was pulling a song for something, and I came across one of these songs. I 687 00:33:32,463 --> 00:33:34,883 was like, "Oh, this is really good. I don't know who this is." Ben Rector? I've 688 00:33:34,883 --> 00:33:37,343 never heard of him. I was like, "He's just some indie artist or something out of 689 00:33:37,343 --> 00:33:38,323 Nashville, I'm not sure." 690 00:33:39,003 --> 00:33:39,483 And so 691 00:33:40,103 --> 00:33:42,723 as time went on, I sort of listened to some... A couple more of his things. But 692 00:33:42,723 --> 00:33:44,543 -anyway, he's a dad now- -Mm-hmm 693 00:33:44,543 --> 00:33:50,543 ... and his latest album is so... There's so much about, like, parenthood in there, 694 00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:55,443 and it's just a super good album. It's the, one of the best ones he's, he's had, 695 00:33:55,443 --> 00:33:59,123 I've, I think. And so, um, if you're looking for- 696 00:33:59,123 --> 00:34:01,343 -Check it out -... something to get you to be reflective 697 00:34:01,343 --> 00:34:04,603 on how quick time is passing for your kids, definitely check out Ben Rector's 698 00:34:04,603 --> 00:34:09,363 latest, latest album. It's super good. Super, super good. But yeah, I was 699 00:34:09,363 --> 00:34:14,863 listening to it in my, in my car with my daughters on my way somewhere yesterday. 700 00:34:15,583 --> 00:34:18,743 -Mm-hmm. -And I, uh, I had to stop singing for a 701 00:34:18,743 --> 00:34:21,403 minute 'cause I was like, "Ooh boy, this is gonna get heavy. This is gonna get-" 702 00:34:21,403 --> 00:34:23,923 -Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. -I was, like, thinking of my daughters 703 00:34:23,923 --> 00:34:28,243 while I was in the car, that song. I was like, "Ooh boy, all right. Uh, it's gotta 704 00:34:28,243 --> 00:34:30,483 chill for a minute here." It's so good, though. So good. 705 00:34:30,483 --> 00:34:32,143 -It's, it's- -But very emotional. As, like, a parent, 706 00:34:32,143 --> 00:34:34,723 like, listening to some of these things, it's like, okay, 'cause he's hitting, he 707 00:34:34,723 --> 00:34:36,763 hits the nail on the head at a couple of spots. Where he's- 708 00:34:36,763 --> 00:34:38,423 -Yeah. -I think one of his songs are called Golden 709 00:34:38,423 --> 00:34:40,103 -Days. Like, these are the golden days. -Mm-hmm. 710 00:34:40,103 --> 00:34:43,603 Oh man, it's really good. So anyway, check it out. Definitely. 711 00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:47,683 It's, it's, it's definitely funny as a parent the kinds of things that hit you, 712 00:34:47,683 --> 00:34:49,063 -that you, like, don't expect- -Yes. Yeah 713 00:34:49,063 --> 00:34:53,963 ... to hit you. Like, we, we went and when Liv did her first transition visit last 714 00:34:53,963 --> 00:34:55,403 week, we went 715 00:34:56,123 --> 00:34:58,923 and we met with, like, the principal and the vice principal, and they talked about 716 00:34:58,923 --> 00:35:01,243 the school and all of this kind of stuff. And we just said it's like a bit of a 717 00:35:01,243 --> 00:35:04,063 refresher, 'cause we've been there for a year already, but, um, 718 00:35:04,963 --> 00:35:08,923 just talking about... 'Cause the, the school that we're in used to be considered 719 00:35:08,923 --> 00:35:14,363 a bit of, like, a, a poor school. Um, it was, like, in a low socioeconomic area. It 720 00:35:14,363 --> 00:35:19,123 didn't really get the funding. Um, they were, like, considered average for 721 00:35:19,863 --> 00:35:24,583 schools like them. You know, so, you know, within their, their group, they're like, 722 00:35:24,583 --> 00:35:27,163 "Uh, you know, you're as shit as the other schools." So 723 00:35:27,883 --> 00:35:30,803 they didn't do anything. There was no... Like, they didn't get any extra funding or 724 00:35:30,803 --> 00:35:34,163 any extra support or anything like that. And when the current principal came in, 725 00:35:34,163 --> 00:35:38,843 this was back in 2011, there was like 150 students in the school, and their focus 726 00:35:38,843 --> 00:35:43,203 was all around compliance rather than learning and, and all of this kind of 727 00:35:43,203 --> 00:35:44,123 stuff. And over the last 728 00:35:44,763 --> 00:35:50,243 14 years, to see the turnaround where it's now like a, a 500-person or 500-student 729 00:35:50,243 --> 00:35:53,163 school, where they effectively get 730 00:35:54,023 --> 00:35:56,823 their pick of, you know, whichever teachers they want, they go and poach 731 00:35:56,823 --> 00:36:00,743 them. They're having to turn students away now, because they're at capacity. They're 732 00:36:00,743 --> 00:36:05,328 building new, new classrooms and new buildings and things like that.And, um, 733 00:36:05,328 --> 00:36:06,767 and- and all of it's changed 734 00:36:07,447 --> 00:36:10,587 just because they're giving opportunities. And I'm sitting there, and I'm, like, 735 00:36:11,227 --> 00:36:13,708 welling up going, "Oh." You know, it's- 736 00:36:14,528 --> 00:36:16,608 it's just... Y- y- like I said, you don't know 737 00:36:17,827 --> 00:36:20,108 -what's gonna set you off, but it's like- -Yeah. 738 00:36:20,108 --> 00:36:22,867 There are these complete strangers to your children 739 00:36:23,488 --> 00:36:27,547 that, you know, you trust that they're going to- to set them up 740 00:36:28,187 --> 00:36:32,587 for life, to teach them, you know, how to read and write and do maths and- and all 741 00:36:32,587 --> 00:36:37,328 of this kind of stuff. But to- to support them as their own? Like, I sometimes- 742 00:36:37,328 --> 00:36:38,707 -Yeah, yeah. -Some days, it's hard enough, like, 743 00:36:38,707 --> 00:36:40,627 supporting your own kids to the level that- 744 00:36:40,627 --> 00:36:42,947 -Yeah. -... th- they- they need 'cause, you know, 745 00:36:42,947 --> 00:36:48,168 being a parent is- is hard work. But then to have these, like, complete strangers 746 00:36:48,168 --> 00:36:52,287 treat your children a- as their own children is just, 747 00:36:52,947 --> 00:36:56,887 um, really, really heartening to see that there are people out there in the world 748 00:36:56,887 --> 00:37:02,528 that will go out of their way to- to- to look after kids and to- t- to do the right 749 00:37:02,528 --> 00:37:03,588 thing by them. So... 750 00:37:04,287 --> 00:37:06,927 Yeah, it's like they adopt them for a year almost because- 751 00:37:06,927 --> 00:37:09,127 -Yeah -... you know, in reality, they end up 752 00:37:09,127 --> 00:37:10,587 spending more time with your kids than you do. 753 00:37:10,587 --> 00:37:12,207 -More time, yeah. Yeah. -I mean, truly. 754 00:37:12,207 --> 00:37:14,127 -Yeah. -Like, more waking hours are spent with 755 00:37:14,127 --> 00:37:15,847 -that teacher than are spent with you- -Mm-hmm 756 00:37:15,847 --> 00:37:16,547 -... as their parent. -Mm-hmm. 757 00:37:16,547 --> 00:37:20,567 And so, yeah, it's crucially important that you have those good teachers and 758 00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:21,307 -stuff, but it is. -Yeah. 759 00:37:21,307 --> 00:37:25,587 That's- it's incredible. Like, we're so blessed to have people who have dedicated 760 00:37:25,587 --> 00:37:27,847 their lives to helping kids and families, right? 761 00:37:27,847 --> 00:37:29,707 -Yeah. -And help society really, right? 762 00:37:29,707 --> 00:37:31,487 -Yeah. -Um, and so yeah. That's really cool. 763 00:37:31,487 --> 00:37:34,987 I don't know how people that homeschool their kids can do it 'cause I- I- I 764 00:37:34,987 --> 00:37:37,667 wouldn't know. And the- and the stuff that they come home with, you know, the way 765 00:37:37,667 --> 00:37:41,467 that they- they learn now and the way that they're taught now is very different to 766 00:37:41,467 --> 00:37:43,267 what it was when I was in school 30 years ago. 767 00:37:43,907 --> 00:37:46,067 -Okay. Yeah. -And, you know, Eli coming home, and he's 768 00:37:46,067 --> 00:37:50,427 telling me about phonics and digraphs and, like, "Did you know Y is, like, the 769 00:37:50,427 --> 00:37:52,867 sometimes vowel?" I'm like, "What are you talking about?" 770 00:37:52,867 --> 00:37:54,767 -[laughs] -Like, it was funny. Him, he... A- 771 00:37:54,767 --> 00:37:55,167 -actually- -Yeah 772 00:37:55,167 --> 00:37:58,987 ... as a- as a former math teacher, you may be able to... You may know this. 773 00:37:59,607 --> 00:38:04,087 He came, and, like, they're learning, uh, addition and subtraction, and they... H- 774 00:38:04,087 --> 00:38:07,667 he always writes everything left to right. And I'm like, I- I don't wanna get in his 775 00:38:07,667 --> 00:38:11,487 way. I don't wanna confuse him, right? However he's learning is- is what I wanna 776 00:38:11,487 --> 00:38:14,967 try and support him to learn. 'Cause when I did it, it was like, you know, addition, 777 00:38:14,967 --> 00:38:16,727 -subtraction, top to bottom. -Yeah. 778 00:38:16,727 --> 00:38:17,227 -You get the right- -Yeah, right to left. Yeah, yeah. 779 00:38:17,227 --> 00:38:19,027 You work right to left, you carry the numbers- 780 00:38:19,027 --> 00:38:20,587 -Yeah, exactly -... and all that kind of stuff. And 781 00:38:20,587 --> 00:38:20,887 [laughs] 782 00:38:21,727 --> 00:38:25,547 he says to me... Oh, he goes, "No, this is how we do it now." There's, like, the- 783 00:38:25,547 --> 00:38:28,927 the make- the make 10 strategy or something where you, like, get the numbers 784 00:38:28,927 --> 00:38:29,167 -and- -Hmm, okay 785 00:38:29,167 --> 00:38:32,947 ... figure it out, how to get to 10. He goes, "In the olden days, they used to 786 00:38:32,947 --> 00:38:38,427 call it rainbow facts." And I looked at Rhee, and I said, "What do you mean, the 787 00:38:38,427 --> 00:38:42,207 olden days? Like, I don't know what rainbow facts is. That was never anything 788 00:38:42,207 --> 00:38:43,967 -I learnt. Like, this is-" -No. 789 00:38:43,967 --> 00:38:47,767 So- so now we're, like, two generations removed from what is- 790 00:38:47,767 --> 00:38:49,947 -Ah -... current teaching. It's like- 791 00:38:50,727 --> 00:38:51,647 -So we- -Not- not- not, like, to- 792 00:38:51,647 --> 00:38:54,287 ... we're the... We're, like, the olden olden days. 793 00:38:54,287 --> 00:38:59,127 We're- we're like the great-great-parents of the- this- whatever it was that we were 794 00:38:59,127 --> 00:39:00,827 -taught [laughs] 'cause that's- -Oh, that's hilarious. 795 00:39:00,827 --> 00:39:04,087 And it's not- not- not generations as in, like, my generation and my kids, but, 796 00:39:04,087 --> 00:39:07,347 like, generations of learning. These things seem to cycle every seven or eight 797 00:39:07,347 --> 00:39:08,947 -years. So, like, they did this. -Yeah. 798 00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:12,127 And that's... When I was in school, it was like, "This is the word, this is how you 799 00:39:12,127 --> 00:39:14,667 say it," and you just memorize that, and then you move onto the next thing. 800 00:39:14,667 --> 00:39:17,287 -That's right, yeah. -Whereas now, they give them the tools to, 801 00:39:17,287 --> 00:39:20,947 like, break down the sounds and recognize the patterns and all of this kind of 802 00:39:20,947 --> 00:39:24,867 stuff, so that you can give Eli a word that he's never seen before, and he can 803 00:39:24,867 --> 00:39:26,187 -sound out, and he breaks it down- -Break it out, yeah 804 00:39:26,187 --> 00:39:29,547 ... into the pieces, and he knows. Like, we gave him his birthday card 805 00:39:30,247 --> 00:39:34,427 this morning, and Rhee and I reach- each wrote a message in there, and- and I- he 806 00:39:34,427 --> 00:39:37,307 opens it, he goes, "Oh, that's a lot of words." I said, "Di- did you wanna read it 807 00:39:37,307 --> 00:39:39,867 yourself, or do you want me to help you out?" He goes, "No, I can read it myself. 808 00:39:39,867 --> 00:39:43,967 I can read it in my head." And just watching him and watching his head go and, 809 00:39:43,967 --> 00:39:47,307 like... And his little smile was when he read something that tickled him- 810 00:39:47,307 --> 00:39:51,227 -Oh, that's so funny. -... and it was just like, wow, you know? 811 00:39:51,227 --> 00:39:54,107 -He's a little human. -He's- he's a little human that can, like- 812 00:39:54,107 --> 00:39:54,527 -He's a little person. -Yeah. 813 00:39:55,267 --> 00:39:58,667 And then, like, every now and then, he, like, loses his marbles and throws 814 00:39:58,667 --> 00:40:02,387 something across the room and runs off screaming, so it's like... H- he gets all 815 00:40:02,387 --> 00:40:05,827 these... And it's funny 'cause they're like... You know, before it was like, "Ah, 816 00:40:05,827 --> 00:40:09,367 he's having a tantrum." Now it's like, "He's having a moment of dysregulation." 817 00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:10,647 -I'm like, "Okay, sure." -[laughs] 818 00:40:10,647 --> 00:40:12,547 -"Whatever. Whatever it is." -Ah. 819 00:40:13,847 --> 00:40:15,127 -Oh, that's true. -Okay. 820 00:40:15,127 --> 00:40:16,867 -Yeah, man. -So he takes himself to his bedroom now and 821 00:40:16,867 --> 00:40:18,147 -just calms himself down- -There you go 822 00:40:18,147 --> 00:40:21,627 ... which is nice 'cause before, it used to be just, like, flinging things across 823 00:40:21,627 --> 00:40:22,887 -the family room. -Progress. 824 00:40:22,887 --> 00:40:24,427 -I- I- and I- -We're making progress. 825 00:40:24,427 --> 00:40:27,787 There was fear for our television on a number of occasions. 826 00:40:27,787 --> 00:40:29,767 -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -[laughs] Don't throw anything towards the 827 00:40:29,767 --> 00:40:33,027 -TV, please. [laughs] -Yep. Yep. Well, that's- that's great, 828 00:40:33,027 --> 00:40:33,487 -dude. -Mm-hmm. 829 00:40:33,487 --> 00:40:36,107 And they- they just continue to get bigger. That's the crazy thing. 830 00:40:36,107 --> 00:40:37,507 -Uh-huh, yeah. -You got to see- you got to see Graham 831 00:40:37,507 --> 00:40:40,147 -before- before we started the show. -Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 832 00:40:40,147 --> 00:40:43,587 -He's- he's an adult, man. He's huge. -He looks like you, but he's huge, yeah. 833 00:40:43,587 --> 00:40:44,627 He's a blond Jake. 834 00:40:45,347 --> 00:40:48,407 He is. Yeah, and, I don't know, he's- he's got your face and so... 835 00:40:48,407 --> 00:40:50,507 But he's got your face. He- but he's got- he's got Laura's hair. 836 00:40:51,267 --> 00:40:53,887 Yeah, yeah. He's a better looking Jake Bennett, so... 837 00:40:53,887 --> 00:40:56,427 -[laughs] -I- he's- he's the kid I wanted to look 838 00:40:56,427 --> 00:40:58,847 like when I was a kid. I always wanted blonde hair. You know what I mean? 839 00:40:58,847 --> 00:41:01,307 -Mm-hmm. -To be athletic and, like, you know, 840 00:41:01,307 --> 00:41:03,127 -whatever. He's- he's that person. -[laughs] 841 00:41:03,127 --> 00:41:04,267 So anyway, he's a cool kid. 842 00:41:05,167 --> 00:41:08,367 Well, dude, I think I've got these other topics queued up for next time. We had 843 00:41:08,367 --> 00:41:08,767 -talked about- -Yeah 844 00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:12,727 ... really trying to have a little bit more continuity between the shows, so I'll 845 00:41:12,727 --> 00:41:16,467 tell you folks what we're looking at for next time. So, a couple items. Uh, 846 00:41:16,467 --> 00:41:17,607 defensive programming 847 00:41:18,307 --> 00:41:23,067 and anticipating breakages. Where am I going to miss? So I was watching... And 848 00:41:23,067 --> 00:41:27,087 because we're getting into g- golf, um, I was watching this clip. Tiger Woods was in 849 00:41:27,087 --> 00:41:31,047 the rough, and he's trying to hit onto the green, right? And so he's looking down 850 00:41:31,047 --> 00:41:34,027 the fairway, and he's like, "Okay, the..." So he's like, "I know this is kind 851 00:41:34,027 --> 00:41:36,947 of what I..." You know, "I know what club I need to hit to get there." 852 00:41:37,587 --> 00:41:39,967 But he's like, "Now I have to figure out when I'm... where I'm gonna aim." And he's 853 00:41:39,967 --> 00:41:42,547 like, "Because I'm hitting out of the rough, I'm not gonna be precise in where 854 00:41:42,547 --> 00:41:44,547 I'm gonna hit, so I have to pick where 855 00:41:45,187 --> 00:41:49,347 it's going to be least harmful when I miss. I have to pick my miss." Like, "If I 856 00:41:49,347 --> 00:41:52,087 miss on the right side, uh, there's bunkers over there. If I miss on the left 857 00:41:52,087 --> 00:41:54,967 side, I've got a wide open green. There's a little bit of rough over there, but it's 858 00:41:54,967 --> 00:41:57,867 gonna be a much better miss on that side." Right? 859 00:41:57,867 --> 00:42:00,647 -Mm-hmm. -So it's trying to anticipate, where in my 860 00:42:00,647 --> 00:42:04,407 programming do I want to miss? Where are the things where, like, if I'm going to 861 00:42:04,407 --> 00:42:08,447 mess up, if somebody's going to use this- abuse this thing, how do I wanna sort of, 862 00:42:08,447 --> 00:42:12,767 like, direct it so that the- the exception has the least damage to me- 863 00:42:12,767 --> 00:42:14,907 -Mm-hmm -... or to the- the business? So, um, 864 00:42:14,907 --> 00:42:18,287 you're never gonna get perfect, and you're never going to be able to anticipate all 865 00:42:18,287 --> 00:42:20,787 of the things that are gonna happen in your programming. It's just not. 866 00:42:20,787 --> 00:42:22,207 -Yeah. -And I'll share an example next time, where 867 00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:25,467 it's like, that is so freaking bizarre. How did you ever think that that was how 868 00:42:25,467 --> 00:42:26,967 -the tool was supposed to be used? -Mm-hmm. 869 00:42:26,967 --> 00:42:31,623 But I didn't think about, where is the miss?So what ended up happening is we 870 00:42:31,623 --> 00:42:35,723 deleted a bunch of stuff that was actually crucial, and ending up, we're gonna end 871 00:42:35,723 --> 00:42:39,804 up having to have two people redo a month worth of work, literally a month worth of 872 00:42:39,804 --> 00:42:43,583 work. It's brutal. It's brutal, because I did not think about 873 00:42:44,203 --> 00:42:46,723 this- this sort of, like, contingency plan. Anyway- 874 00:42:46,723 --> 00:42:47,524 -Mm-hmm -... we're gonna talk about that a little 875 00:42:47,524 --> 00:42:52,003 bit next time. And then, also, um, when you're not using a static site generator, 876 00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:52,843 you're using Laravel, 877 00:42:53,483 --> 00:42:57,983 where do you store values that you want to chuck into something where you have a 878 00:42:57,983 --> 00:43:00,223 bunch of pages that are the same, 879 00:43:01,003 --> 00:43:06,623 but need small variance? So is it a YAML file? Is it a database that then gets 880 00:43:06,623 --> 00:43:10,003 pushed down into static pages? Do you just put it into the view? Do you put it in 881 00:43:10,003 --> 00:43:12,663 the controller? Do you put it in the config? Where do you put it? Right? 882 00:43:13,283 --> 00:43:16,563 Um, do you generate DTOs that all have them and you just store it in your code? 883 00:43:16,563 --> 00:43:19,643 Where do you put it? So those are some things we'll talk about next time, and I 884 00:43:19,643 --> 00:43:20,024 have, uh, 885 00:43:20,883 --> 00:43:23,143 -some fun- fun ideas for that. So... -Nice. 886 00:43:24,184 --> 00:43:26,384 -I will also want- -Cue them up for next time, friends. 887 00:43:26,384 --> 00:43:30,963 Also a quick say it as well, I have just embarked upon deleting the tenancy package 888 00:43:30,963 --> 00:43:32,463 -from our application. -Ooh, yes. 889 00:43:32,463 --> 00:43:37,203 We have finally, we have finally moved all of the other pieces so that we don't need 890 00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:42,904 multiple tenants anymore. So it's now a process of step one was just to remove 891 00:43:42,904 --> 00:43:47,183 the- the package from Composer and then work through the tests and see what's 892 00:43:47,183 --> 00:43:51,103 breaking. So it's a, it's a slow-going thing. Um, someone will probably tell me I 893 00:43:51,103 --> 00:43:53,564 can use AI for it, which I, which I won't do. 894 00:43:53,564 --> 00:43:56,563 -There you go. Yeah. -But Duly noted. Um, yeah it's, it's, it's 895 00:43:56,563 --> 00:43:57,123 going all right. 896 00:43:58,084 --> 00:44:01,323 Having a better grasp of, like, parallel testing now and multiple database 897 00:44:01,323 --> 00:44:02,583 connections and just, like, 898 00:44:03,623 --> 00:44:08,343 making life easier for myself and also, like, hopefully improving the speed of our 899 00:44:08,343 --> 00:44:09,203 tests will be, 900 00:44:10,103 --> 00:44:11,924 um, a good side effect of doing this. So, 901 00:44:12,904 --> 00:44:13,123 yeah, 902 00:44:14,163 --> 00:44:14,943 -to be continued- -Rock on 903 00:44:14,943 --> 00:44:19,663 -... in future episodes. -To be continued. Well, folks, Episode 178. 904 00:44:19,663 --> 00:44:21,064 Is that right, Michael? Did I get it right? 905 00:44:21,064 --> 00:44:24,643 Hmm, I don't know. I wrote it up here. 177, I think. 906 00:44:25,503 --> 00:44:29,184 -177. -Ooh, 177. Folks, this is Episode 177. Find 907 00:44:29,184 --> 00:44:35,424 show notes for this episode at northmeetsouth.audio/177. Uh, if you'd 908 00:44:35,424 --> 00:44:37,083 like to hit us up on Twitter or on 909 00:44:38,303 --> 00:44:42,763 X or on BlueSky, hit us up at Michael Dyrynda, @jacobbennett, or at North South 910 00:44:42,763 --> 00:44:45,943 Audio. And of course, if you liked the show, we'd really appreciate it if you'd 911 00:44:45,943 --> 00:44:49,123 rate us up in your pod catcher of choice. Five stars would be incredible, amazing, 912 00:44:49,123 --> 00:44:49,903 and awesome. 913 00:44:50,583 --> 00:44:54,443 Thanks for tuning in, folks. We love hearing from you, honestly. Um, I would 914 00:44:54,443 --> 00:44:58,723 love to get any feedback on any of these items. Wistia, if you thought Wistia was a 915 00:44:58,723 --> 00:44:59,943 cool idea, you should definitely, 916 00:45:00,963 --> 00:45:06,123 um, let us know. What are your opinions on liquid glass and iPhones and the new- the 917 00:45:06,123 --> 00:45:06,663 -new designs- -Yeah 918 00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:09,303 ... that are coming out? And then, um, 919 00:45:10,123 --> 00:45:13,403 tune in next time to hear about some of those other cool things we'll talk about 920 00:45:13,403 --> 00:45:15,683 in two weeks. We'll see you then, folks. Bye-bye. 921 00:45:15,683 --> 00:45:19,003 Bye. [upbeat music plays]