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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible, guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible guys. We

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about the Beatitudes of Christ as given in

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<v Speaker 1>the Sermon on the Mount and Matthews five, six.

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<v Speaker 2>And seven Matthews and chapters.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so focused on doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I liked it. Though. Matthews is good Matthews.

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<v Speaker 2>They make good bows.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like Matthews name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, that Saint Matthews.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, all right, so Matthew chapters.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you're gonna say Matthew's gospel in seven chapters five,

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<v Speaker 2>six and seven, longest message Jesus preached.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And so anyway, along with the beatitudes are

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<v Speaker 1>other things in the Sermon on the Mount that coincide

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<v Speaker 1>with the beatitudes, which is the premise of our series.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I made the statement that that the Sermon on

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<v Speaker 2>the Mount is the longest message Jesus preached. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, we don't know that. Oh recorded right, It

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<v Speaker 2>could have just been Matthew's favorite message Jesus preach. He said, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that one that he preached that would have taken nine chapters.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a snoozer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only one that he took notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. But he was taking fastidious notes on the

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<v Speaker 2>Sermon on the mount.

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<v Speaker 1>So John's like, why did you take Notesthew's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot, dude, I forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>My p Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I forgot that. I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot to turn on the recorder. Yeah that's right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, that's right. Yea. So but the Sermon on

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<v Speaker 2>the mounts the longest one recorded in the Bible record. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, we are before we getting too that, we

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<v Speaker 1>had a segment and it is guess the word. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel pressure on these because it says, can Chris guess

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<v Speaker 1>the word? Slash words based on Jeff's clues without Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>the forbidden man. Remember the last time you said you

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<v Speaker 1>liked it the other one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, these are hard at okay, these are hard for

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<v Speaker 2>from from this perspective for me. Okay, so I have

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<v Speaker 2>five words I'm not allowed to say what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get you to say the big word?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right? And are they thematic?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look like it, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, And by the way, if you're watching on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>We will put the fir hopefully we'll put the forbidden

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<v Speaker 1>words on the bottom of the screen that Jeff is

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to say. You can play along with us, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>try to race Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we go, all right. Kind of a seventies eighties

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<v Speaker 2>meal that was kind of a log of meat span

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<v Speaker 2>that would have like breadcrumbs in it. Stuff you put

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<v Speaker 2>a sauce on top of it. She would bake it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. I'm not sure I was allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>say meat because it's in meat loaf. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say I couldn't say meat. I didn't say meat loaf,

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<v Speaker 2>and meat loaf's one word, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but but you're not allowed to say it derivenive

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<v Speaker 1>of the word. Hey, by the way, uh, I wasn't looking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but why did you say seventies and eighties because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't wear a meat loaf I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so if you get old Betty Crocker cookbooks from

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies and eighties, it's like the third thing in

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<v Speaker 2>every cookbook. Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, as opposed.

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<v Speaker 1>To yeah, well, I mean you're a chef.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're watching a sitcom from the seventies, and eighties

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<v Speaker 2>moms serving meat loaf. Okay, right, yeah, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, remember I told you I was going to can't

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<v Speaker 1>take hunders when I ordered.

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<v Speaker 2>Meat, I like me love too. Yeah, buffalo meat Okay, buffalo, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo it was okay. Uh. Big people don't they don't stride.

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<v Speaker 1>They what stride? They walk?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go. So you said walk, Now I

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<v Speaker 2>can say walk, right, Okay, So they don't walk. They

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<v Speaker 2>big big people don't walk. They no, no, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>walk or run they no, no, no no no. So

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<v Speaker 2>if we say weebles wobble, but they don't fall down. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So big, big people don't walk.

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<v Speaker 1>They tumble.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Okay, there are animals who also walk this

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<v Speaker 2>way kind of a back and forth, kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth sway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted the donated car, you donated to Mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Nature.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, what's the There's there's an organization, a nonprofit

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<v Speaker 2>in the area that you can donate cars to called

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Oh man, there's a road in the area. Is

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<v Speaker 2>his name? I can't We're gonna have to give up

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<v Speaker 2>on this one. Wabble. That's a hard one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I would think that's an over week kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a shuffle.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I said big people.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I was thinking giants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was literally thinking, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, really yeah yeah, huh yeah. Okay, So all right,

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<v Speaker 2>here's here's one you were afraid to say, like, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's that's the missing clue. Yes, missing clue is

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time. I was like, I was thinking giraffe

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<v Speaker 1>because you're like, you're like, some animals do this too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready. Uh a gag that you blow up that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a large sound. Yeah, there you a whipope cushion. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't allowed to say prank, balloon, noise, sit or gas

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<v Speaker 2>and waddle. I wasn't allowed to say walk, penguin, ducks,

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<v Speaker 2>side er baby, and then on meat loaf, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>say dinner, beef, mom, ketchup or oven. Yeah, okay, here's

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<v Speaker 2>another one. Uh uh. Back in the eighties you used

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<v Speaker 2>it like a purse, but guys would do it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh no, no, no, no, back in the day, and

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<v Speaker 2>uh you wore it around yourself. It's fanny peck. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go. I was allowed to say waist bag, nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>zipper or tourists. Okay, and then oh no, this is impossible. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The last one musical genre that includes uh like trumpets, pianos, drums, bass, guitars, No, nope, uh, saxophone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's New Orleans kind of music. Jazz okay, jazz excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when people are excited they do and they're

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<v Speaker 2>celebrating something quietly jazz hands. There you go. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a hard I was abound say fingers, shake theater,

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<v Speaker 2>musical or applause. Yeah, okay, good. So so we couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get wattle, but we got jazz hands. Chris, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think of in high school musical one

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<v Speaker 1>he says everybody loves a four square or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it includes And then also I think of, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>bring it on when he goes, these aren't spear figures,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we got fanny pack and jazz hands, and

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<v Speaker 2>we got those two nailed.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you trying to say?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing? Nothing, I was just just comment I was commenting

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<v Speaker 2>that we miss waddle.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, wattle is not a manly term, but fanny pack

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<v Speaker 1>and jazz hands are manly terms. But you but you

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<v Speaker 1>can't include Wattle as if the antithesis of miss.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't, I didn't, I was not. I was not

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<v Speaker 2>because you also got whoopy cushion. There's nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So A.

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<v Speaker 2>So, guys, So you know sometimes I feel merciless, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's mostly because I know I'm playing to the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, which is interesting because today's today's topic

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<v Speaker 2>is mercy without an audience. Okay, well, hey, we are

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<v Speaker 2>in Matthew chapter six, and we've been talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting to me that when Jesus gives the beatitudes

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, and he talks blessed are those who

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<v Speaker 2>mourn or blessed are the humble or those who's hunger

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<v Speaker 2>and thirsts for righteousness, there's something in the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the message that he preaches that points back to those topics. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like the foundation, this is the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>God blesses. And then he says, but religion tells you

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<v Speaker 2>these things, and you're trying to behave these ways, but

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<v Speaker 2>the reality is the best way is this way. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of how it works a lot of times.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here we are we're talking about the topic

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<v Speaker 2>the beatitude, where he says, God blesses those who are merciful,

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<v Speaker 2>for they will be shown mercy. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things we think of when it comes to mercy is

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<v Speaker 2>good deeds, doing good for people. Right and so here

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<v Speaker 2>he says in Matthew chapter six, verse one, watch out.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do your good deeds publicly to be admired by others,

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<v Speaker 2>for you will lose the reward from your father in heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>When you give to someone in need, don't do as

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<v Speaker 2>the hypocrites do, blowing trumpets in the cynagogues and streets

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<v Speaker 2>to call attention to their acts of charity. I tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the truth, they've received all the reward they'll ever get.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you give to someone in need, don't let

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<v Speaker 2>your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Give your gifts in private, and your father, who sees everything,

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<v Speaker 2>will reward you. That's a good one. And this goes

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<v Speaker 2>along with good job of mercy. Blessed are the merciful,

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<v Speaker 2>for they will be shown mercy.

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<v Speaker 1>So showing mercy to those in need.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because part of mercy is caring for people who

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<v Speaker 2>can't care for themselves or that are in desperate need. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think of there's a really great ministry around the

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<v Speaker 2>world that does emergency surgeries that are impossible, particularly like

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<v Speaker 2>cleft palates and bent bone kind of surgeries in the

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<v Speaker 2>ministries called Mercy Ships, and they pull their ship into

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<v Speaker 2>the poorest ports in the world and then they just

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<v Speaker 2>go out and these doctors and surgeons volunteer their time

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<v Speaker 2>to just do good for people who couldn't otherwise help themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be living miserable lives or that would not

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<v Speaker 2>live very long because of it, and they just come

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<v Speaker 2>in and it's kind of this merciful kind act. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's not the only meaning of mercy, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the meetings of mercy. And so in this situation,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus said, hey, don't do it so you get credit

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<v Speaker 2>so that everybody's like, wow, that's a good guy. Instead

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<v Speaker 2>he said, there's other motivations, are other reasons, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of the idea behind this one, the connection

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<v Speaker 2>to Blessed are the Merciful.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's uh, we just actually spoke about this

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<v Speaker 1>a few days ago on and maybe it's this, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I just wrote it. I don't know. It's a recent

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<v Speaker 1>message a heritage where I talked about how love is

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<v Speaker 1>not proven with only words.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's this Sunday coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's coming up. Love is not proven with only words,

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<v Speaker 1>because anywhere in the scripture and it says love one another,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's saying is is show your love by action.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's always.

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<v Speaker 1>And so love is a verb, and we have a

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<v Speaker 1>tendency to hear the word love, and we think emotion

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<v Speaker 1>when it says.

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<v Speaker 2>We're thinking romance, Yeah, we're thinking, yeah, romance or fuzzy feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel I feel love. When it says love

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<v Speaker 1>your enemies, it doesn't mean, oh, I feel about that

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<v Speaker 1>When it says love your enemies, I mean that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Those things are all good and well. But when it

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<v Speaker 1>when it says have mercy on someone, it's actually meaning

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<v Speaker 1>mercy in action. Right, So somebody asked to know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're being merciful. And like you said, part of mercy

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<v Speaker 1>is to help someone in need. Part of mercy is

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve publicly, right. You know, I just saw a sitcom.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember remember turning the other cheek? Yes, And it was

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to demonstrate and that's part of that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>mercy as well. Sure to demonstrate that you have the

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<v Speaker 1>that number one, God's glorified. People can say, Wow, look

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<v Speaker 1>at that person, what's different about them? How could they

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<v Speaker 2>other ministries I'm working with or whatever, and us say

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<v Speaker 2>that in public, and that's not true as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact. In Matthew five, as soon as Jesus gets

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<v Speaker 2>is you are the light of the world, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>he says, so, don't hide your lamp under a bushel. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, put it out where everybody can see it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he goes in verse sixteen, in the same way,

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<v Speaker 2>let your good deeds shine out for all to see,

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the purpose is what so that the purpose is what?

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<v Speaker 2>That everybody glorify your father in heaven. Here he says,

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<v Speaker 1>That a public path of the back right to be would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the same as so that so that you'd be

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<v Speaker 2>from your father in heaven. There is reward, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you get all your reward here on earth, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>just no reward in heaven and that's okay, right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not bad. He doesn't say don't do good. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>understanding if you're doing it so that you get praise,

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<v Speaker 2>if you just donated it needed that million dollars so

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<v Speaker 2>that your family's name can be on the on the building,

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<v Speaker 2>Well there's your reward. Good job and congratulations. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with that. He's not saying that's a sin. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, don't be counting on also getting a million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of reward in heaven too, right, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't get the double dip on it, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's that's really important to understand. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>motive because you know you just mentioned you know, us

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<v Speaker 1>mentioning something from the platform and stuff like that in

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<v Speaker 1>our position, and that's also for the purpose of teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also for the purpose of encouraging. Right, So if

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<v Speaker 1>we get up here and we celebrate merciful deeds to people,

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<v Speaker 1>then all we're doing is we're what are we doing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're teaching the people, training the people that we should

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's there's a danger in mercy

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<v Speaker 2>acts sometimes, you know, for for people who have resources, yea,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're able to give things to people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>have resources. It makes you feel like a million bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>It can almost become addictive where people just love it.

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<v Speaker 2>They love serving you know, people who are struggling or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not a bad thing. But we have to

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<v Speaker 2>be careful with the idea of removing human dignity. I

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<v Speaker 2>can give and you, but you can't. I have so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I can give away my extras, but you can't provide

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself, right, And so we don't want to remove

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<v Speaker 2>human dignity. And so sometimes there's way more blessing when

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<v Speaker 2>that person feels like God just showed up and blessed them,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than knowing that guy from the suburbs showed up

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<v Speaker 2>and blessed me. Right, So there's a tension for me sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it came to light the biggest way.

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<v Speaker 2>One time, Heritage Church raised a bunch of money to

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<v Speaker 2>help build a school in northwest Kenya that was also

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<v Speaker 2>going to be used as a church and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>base for everything. And it was at an orphanage that

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<v Speaker 2>we love working with way out in the bush no no, no, lamoot,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we build it. It wound up being the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest building in West Pocot, in East Pocott, I'm sorry, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the largest building in that area. And when we got

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<v Speaker 2>there for the grand opening, all the chiefs came in,

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<v Speaker 2>all all the choirs coming. You know how it is.

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<v Speaker 2>All the villages from miles day a day away, they

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<v Speaker 2>all come in for these giant celebrations. We had about

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand people there. When I came around the corner,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a plaque on the wall that had my

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<v Speaker 2>name on it and had Heritage Church's name on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was covered over and they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>make this big presentation and I made him take it

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<v Speaker 2>down and the guy who had it started crying. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to honor you. And I said, listen, if

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<v Speaker 2>you tell a thousand tribesmen that white people are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones who can build buildings, not Africans, then they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to wait for us to come and build another one instead.

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<v Speaker 2>It needs to be a partnership. We need to celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>the local pastors who brought the idea to us, and

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<v Speaker 2>we partnered together, and they also raised some money. We

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<v Speaker 2>raised thousands and thousands and they raised dozens and dozens.

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<v Speaker 2>But we partnered together. It has to be a full partnership,

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<v Speaker 2>or it creates a culture of dependency. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want my name on it, and so they took it.

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<v Speaker 2>They chipped it off and took the plaque off the

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<v Speaker 2>thing because I didn't want my name, a heir to

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<v Speaker 2>name on it. And it was this idea here, right

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<v Speaker 2>that in that situation, if I took the credit, it

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<v Speaker 2>feels good. I raised I raised the massive majority of

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<v Speaker 2>that money. But if I took the credit, it creates

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<v Speaker 2>a culture dependency where next time they need a building,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna need somebody like me to show backup and

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<v Speaker 2>build another one, as opposed to let's find the right partnerships,

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<v Speaker 2>let's work together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I know that, But like in that moment, who

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<v Speaker 1>who wants to stand up there and wave their arms

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<v Speaker 1>and say it's because of me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thump your chest. Well I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people do. And I think that's why Jesus had the challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Just shams is on that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. So it's just, yeah, you lived in that world.

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<v Speaker 2>Long enough to know, like every single university building, every

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<v Speaker 2>single hospital building has some family name on it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? People love it, They love

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<v Speaker 2>having it. Every stadium has a name on it, a

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<v Speaker 2>new renovation gets done, they get a new name on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would need.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So, so if if your intent is to

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<v Speaker 2>be admired by others, you need to go completely silent.

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<v Speaker 2>If their intent is to make you be admired by others,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be a time to maybe step back one level.

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<v Speaker 2>If the whole goal is to bring glory to God,

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<v Speaker 2>then he says, let your light so shine before men,

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<v Speaker 2>that people would see your good deeds and glorify your

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<v Speaker 2>father in heaven. Right, So is there a way to

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<v Speaker 2>deflect the glory to God? If there is, then go

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<v Speaker 2>public with it. And so what we did was I

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<v Speaker 2>you know Julius. Julius made me get out when we

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<v Speaker 2>got all their spears and everybody's got all their stuff on,

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<v Speaker 2>and they put one of those big things on me

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<v Speaker 2>in a robe on me, and we're jumping out their

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<v Speaker 2>spears in her hands and they're beating the drums and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's dancing and have lots of fun. And they introduced

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<v Speaker 2>me along with the three pastors that were from the

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<v Speaker 2>area and the head of the orphanage, and all four

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<v Speaker 2>of us stood up there, and then we are in

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<v Speaker 2>our speeches, gave glory to God that God made it

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<v Speaker 2>possible that when brothers come together, great things can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then we started talking about peacemaking. We talked

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<v Speaker 2>about how God changes us and He's been good and

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<v Speaker 2>so we choose to be good to others. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. So then we give glory to God. It

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<v Speaker 2>was fine. So it wasn't wrong for me to be

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<v Speaker 2>on stage, and it wasn't wrong for people to know.

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<v Speaker 2>But for the next thirty years, if we hadn't taken

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<v Speaker 2>down that plaque, people walk by and just go, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that Jeff Forster must be a great guy, and nobody

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<v Speaker 2>would have said glory to God, right right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So another way to look at this version or these verses,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, that's gracious, is to think about it as

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<v Speaker 1>you could either have your rewards now or you could

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<v Speaker 1>put them in your rewards savings account.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and neither one's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>One just lasts forever, right, yeah, So I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>think of it as punting your rewards to your savings account.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, your eternal savings account. So yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 1>choose to have everybody go oooh, that guy is great here,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can have eternal rewards in heaven. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a great frame of mind to think that I

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're listening and you have a fanamily office

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<v Speaker 2>wing on a city rescue mission and you have your

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<v Speaker 2>family you know, the Forster Family Foundation, whatever, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with that. That's an advertising thing. It's a promotional thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's different than the intent of just getting personal credit. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with you

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<v Speaker 2>donating doing good deeds, just on a personal level versus

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<v Speaker 2>your organization, your organization doing a thing. I think that's different.

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<v Speaker 2>On a personal level, your intent needs to be give

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<v Speaker 2>glory to God, not just to get glory for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, hey, that's our time, so hopefully we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see tomorrow on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys,