Christian Napier 00:12 - 00:26 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode, a very special episode of Teamwork a Better Way. I'm Christian Napier and I'm joined by my lifelong friend and co-host Spencer Horn. Spencer, it's an honor to be with you on this very special day. How are you? Christian Napier 00:27 - 00:28 Great, back at you. Spencer Horn 00:28 - 00:37 So excited to be with you today. I'm so excited because you and I get to do our favorite lunch today at Red Iguana, yes? Christian Napier 00:38 - 00:55 That is correct. So there are three amazing things happening today. Number three is the opening ceremonies of the Milano-Cortina Olympic Games occur this evening. Super excited about that. Christian Napier 00:55 - 01:21 Number two, we get together with our friend Patrick, which this is a tradition we've had for more than 20 years, going to Red Iguana and having our bowl. And then the top, the top of it all is we have probably one of the most amazing, impactful guests that we've ever had on this show. We've been doing this now for six years, Spencer. Can you believe it? Christian Napier 01:21 - 01:49 We're actually going into our seventh year here shortly. I'm just super, super grateful for this opportunity that we've had to speak to so many amazing people, but man, What a way to kind of send off the, I don't know. Sixth season? The season, yeah, the sixth season and start our new season with Chad Hymas. Christian Napier 01:49 - 01:55 I mean, I'm just over the moon excited for this conversation. And Spencer, why don't you go ahead? Spencer Horn 01:55 - 02:21 The two, I'm going to add him on the screen while we talk about him so he can, he can blush a little bit, but Chad, uh, you know, I've, I've known for, for a few years and, and, uh, he, yes, you're going to hear all his, his bio. We could spend literally an hour talking on his bio, Christian, and those of you listening. I had the opportunity to spend last Saturday a couple of hours with him. He travels literally all over the world. Spencer Horn 02:21 - 02:32 Last night, where were you? In the upper peninsula of Michigan, did you say, Chad? He travels the world. It amazes me. Spencer Horn 02:33 - 02:53 Not only is travel difficult, but in the conditions that he does independently are just so amazing and inspiring. You'll learn about that in a moment. Chad comes to our event last Saturday and didn't get until three in the morning and literally spent all night preparing for our event. His audience are other speakers. Spencer Horn 02:54 - 03:27 These are people that are learning about the art of speaking. Christian has every single one of us in tears and and just because he's so good at connecting with People and with audiences and his his message just resonates and it's life-changing, you know, wherever he goes He is changing lives for the better He inspires, he motivates, he moves, as I just described, audiences, creating an experience that touches hearts for a lifetime. I mean, when you hear his stories, I mean, you will always remember those. Spencer Horn 03:27 - 04:03 And he's one of the youngest ever speakers to achieve what's called the Council of Peer Awards of Excellence, which is basically the Hall of Fame award for the National Speakers Association. And he's internationally acclaimed as a speaker. He's a best-selling author, passionate advocate for safety and personal empowerment, which, of course, we love. And he set a world record back in 2003, and hopefully you'll describe that for us, Chad, where he rode his wheelchair from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas 513 miles and uh... Spencer Horn 04:03 - 04:33 stupid very very stupid uh... not really proud of that but instead of world record nonetheless but he's a sod after keynote speaker so those of you who are looking for people to to move and captivate your audience chad is is here and he's written a book a best-selling book called doing what must be done He just shares the remarkable journey of resilience. I wanted to say just a couple more things. Spencer Horn 04:33 - 04:52 He is somebody that everybody that I know looks up to and admires and honors for his integrity, his commitment. generosity. Anyway, I'm just so glad to have you, Chad. Sorry, I hope I haven't slobbered on you too much. Chad Hymas 04:52 - 04:57 I can keep going. The honor's mine. I'm grateful. We're going to have some fun today with this, and congratulations. Chad Hymas 04:57 - 05:02 I love Red Iguana. I think that's cool. I love the Olympics. I'm a sports freak. Chad Hymas 05:02 - 05:09 We have the Olympics and we have the Super Bowl this weekend, right? So that's a big weekend right now if you're a sports here in the sports at all. Spencer Horn 05:09 - 05:16 Chad, did you know, though, that Christian has been consulting with the International Olympic Committee and the local- Oh, I didn't. Chad Hymas 05:16 - 05:17 I didn't know that. Spencer Horn 05:17 - 05:29 Since the Salt Lake, I mean, even before the Salt Lake Committee. So he's been doing this for over 20 years all over the world. And he's actually working, he's been working to help bring the Olympics back to Salt Lake in 2034. Chad Hymas 05:29 - 05:38 Wow. Keep working, Christian, because we need one thing for that 2034 Olympics we are not getting this year. You know exactly what that is. Christian Napier 05:39 - 05:41 Yeah, H2O. Chad Hymas 05:45 - 06:05 I'm just saying, we have never seen it like this. And so maybe that's a great way to just kick this sucker off. As a western coast, west of the Rockies, we are asking for the thoughts and prayers of everybody listening to provide us with the water that we so are in desperate need of. And I'm not talking about watering lawns and flowers per se. Chad Hymas 06:05 - 06:23 We just need it to suffice the population of the people that are here and the animals that are raised here. So if they have enough water to drink, that's how bad we are right now. And so we're, that said though, all the Olympics and that stuff, that will come in and we'll definitely have the snow. And this is just one of those years. Chad Hymas 06:23 - 06:31 It's probably a down cycle, but hopefully we get some, we're looking at a snowstorm coming in possibly on Monday this week. And that will be a blessing that we've been praying for for a long time. Spencer Horn 06:32 - 06:59 I sure hope so. You know, Chad, you are on the Teamwork a Better Way podcast, and our title today is Stronger Together, really focused on resilience, trust, and leading that last. You always say, or you often say this, that one can go fast, two can go far. What does that mean to you in really the context of leadership? Chad Hymas 06:59 - 07:11 I think you opened up with something very, very powerful in that you mentioned that I travel, and I travel a lot. And maybe a key component of that is that I travel alone. And I take pride in that, Spencer and Christian. I do. Chad Hymas 07:12 - 07:20 I travel alone. But yet my body is 95% nub. So I am in a push chair. I use knobby tires. Chad Hymas 07:20 - 07:48 You can see the tires right here. So they are mountain bike tires, which allows me to have friction to push the chair. but I do travel alone, which when we say, you know, one go fast, two go far, that begs the question, if I'm traveling alone and I'm going to upper Michigan or I'm going to Atlanta or Beijing or Tokyo, wherever I'm going, I don't, if I'm going to Tucson or whatever, wherever I'm going, how do I get on an airplane? Chad Hymas 07:49 - 08:01 How do I get off the airplane? How do I get out of my vehicle when I'm at the airport to get to the airplane in the first place? Who helps me get my laptop through the x-ray machine? How do I get the pad down? Chad Hymas 08:01 - 08:11 How does that work? How do I get in the Uber vehicle once I arrive there? Because I don't get in a special ADA vehicle. I just get in, I order Uber and I get an Uber. Chad Hymas 08:12 - 08:32 Once I get the Uber and get to the hotel, how do I get out of that Uber and get into the hotel and check in with some luggage as well? And then take those bags up to the room And if I'm going to stretch out after being on an airplane for a while, I need to do that on a bed. How do I get on a bed when my hands are numb and I don't have triceps or biceps or any forearms? How does that work when I travel alone? Chad Hymas 08:33 - 08:48 And back to your statement, there's always somebody there. In the last 25 years that I've been traveling, and I travel, I do travel a lot, and I say that with all due humility and gratitude. there's always somebody there that's willing to help me out. And I will find those people. Chad Hymas 08:49 - 09:03 Spencer, those are the names that should be in Guinness book, not mine. Those names, and I believe that they are. They might not be in Guinness book that we read, but I think they're in God's Guinness book. And I hope I can, I'm not trying to preach religion to you. Chad Hymas 09:03 - 09:17 Please don't hear that folks. But I just want to thank you for respecting my right to believe. what I believe, and I believe that God records all the people that help me get to where I need to be. Because I am driven and I can't stay in one place. Chad Hymas 09:17 - 09:34 I just have a hard time doing that. It's just my personality. And there are people all over this world that I've never met before, but I will meet them again one day that have helped me. You know, when I just, when I'm just traveling, just one leg, just without, without a layover, just one leg, 26 different people will help me. Chad Hymas 09:34 - 09:46 from point A at the house to point B once I arrive at the hotel and I'm stretching out. That's 26 people. That's without a layover. With a layover, you can add 17 additional people. Chad Hymas 09:46 - 09:51 So just do the numbers on that with just one trip. And I think that's rather phenomenal. Spencer Horn 09:51 - 10:03 How do you even plan for that extra time? Sometimes do you have a delay in finding someone to help or does it just show up in time? Chad Hymas 10:03 - 10:15 I mean, there's times I've gotten to the airport or gotten to the hotel at two o'clock in the morning, and let's say it's a courtyard. Well, how many people are working at a courtyard or a fairfield at 2 a.m.? Just the auditor. Just the auditor. Chad Hymas 10:15 - 10:22 Yep, that's it. Just the auditor at the front desk. And I will never ask a lady to help me. I don't do that. Chad Hymas 10:22 - 10:33 I don't want to put her in a bad spot. But to tell you that ladies have not helped me would be a lie. I've had a lot of females help me, and I am grateful for that. But I will not ask for that. Chad Hymas 10:33 - 10:42 sometimes their hearts are so compassionate. So that, that, and I am very professional about it. I don't want to put them in a bad spot. I know that. Chad Hymas 10:42 - 11:10 And so there's, you know, there's no, there's no, uh, I'm trying to be appropriate here. There's, they're not a bad spot where there's revealing of anything that's private or any of that. It's not like that. I, I, um, I have waited at a hotel in Palm Beach and sat there in the Uber and just paying the Uber driver and I've seen two kids walking down a street road and I've had the Uber driver drive way over where they're at and say, If I Chad Hymas 11:10 - 11:17 get you guys some dinner tonight, you guys can go grab something. Can you help me out for five minutes over that hotel? I've done that. And they'll say, hey, well, we'll help you. Chad Hymas 11:17 - 11:24 We'll help you out. I've had people help me like that at two in the morning. Now, generally, if it's during the day, I don't have to worry about that. There's always people going in and out of the hotel. Chad Hymas 11:24 - 11:46 There's, you know, if it's a bigger hotel, there's Bellman, there's valet, there's the janitor that's cleaning. There's sometimes there is a, uh, a guy doing sheets, doing the wash at the hotel, I will always find somebody easier to do it between six in the morning and nine at night. That's easier for me to do that. When I go out and get into the Uber, I am scoping people out. Chad Hymas 11:47 - 11:49 I am scoping. Spencer Horn 11:49 - 11:53 Christian, do you ever feel like we take a little bit for granted as we travel to and from? Christian Napier 11:54 - 12:02 Well, definitely. For sure we do. You know what? I love this theme, Chad. Chad Hymas 12:03 - 12:21 Spencer I'm so much better person for the people and that's why I watch my weight I need to keep my weight under 165 so that I can be lifted right so I can be lifted because I get into an uber right so I just I gotta watch stuff like that Spencer mentioned this theme stronger together Christian Napier 12:22 - 12:47 And it immediately took me back to the Olympic Games. You know, for many, many years since the inception of the Games, the motto of the Olympic Games was, faster, higher, stronger. In 2021, the International Olympic Committee added the word together to the end of that. So it's now, Sidious out, deus fortius, communitare, right? Christian Napier 12:47 - 13:19 Faster, higher, stronger, together. And I love this focus on, yeah, you do all you can do, but understanding that you must rely on other people. And that's not necessarily a sign of weakness, but what it is is an acknowledgement of the value that other people can bring to you. And I'm wondering if you can just kind of expand on that a little bit further. Christian Napier 13:19 - 13:37 The value of having and fostering and maintaining meaningful relationships. I know that's a topic that's important to you. You wrote a book, The Red Thread of Relationships. So I'm wondering if you can just kind of dive into that a little bit. Chad Hymas 13:41 - 14:05 My whole life is centered around the relationships that I build. In the professional world, Christian, we call it networking. I think that's a word that's not appropriate for what I do. These people help me and I don't like it. Chad Hymas 14:08 - 14:22 Please don't hear that I didn't say I'm not grateful. That's different. I'm very grateful. But there's something about the human mortal body, and I hope I'm not speaking out of tongue here and that you can all relate to this, about being independent. Chad Hymas 14:22 - 14:54 There's something to be said about doing things, carrying your bags on your own, getting your driver's license out of your wallet so you can show the lady at the desk, cutting up your own piece of steak. unbuttoning a shirt, buttoning up a shirt so that you look presentable for the audience you're gonna go speak to. There's something to be said about doing things, bathing by yourself, personal care. Now we're gonna say wiping, cleaning crevices, making sure that the body is clean and taken care of, that there's no red marks. Chad Hymas 14:54 - 15:12 Something that we all do, that we all, cause our bodies are, they're bodies that function and they have to be taken care of. And I like to keep up on hygiene and things like that. But think if somebody else had to do that. And I'm not looking for pity or empathy. Chad Hymas 15:12 - 15:26 Please don't hear that. I'm just saying that these people are truly not people that I'm networking with. These are angels. Those two guys that did not plan on helping me, that then come into the hotel and help me. Chad Hymas 15:27 - 15:41 Do you recognize that most of the time when I go to buy them dinner or give them $100 bill, they do not want to take it. They do not want to take it. And when I flip it on them and I say, you know what? This money's not for you. Chad Hymas 15:42 - 15:54 Do you guys have any kids? And if they say yes, I'll say this money's for them. I want you to take your kids to Red Iguana tomorrow. and I want you to let your kids know how much they mean to you. Chad Hymas 15:54 - 16:13 Or take them to McDonald's for a sundae and a Big Mac or a Happy Meal or whatever. This money is for your kids. They'll take that money because it's no longer for them. And that act of kindness or service rendered to me is now on behalf of somebody that they love and they will, we'll do things for those we love that we won't do for ourselves. Chad Hymas 16:14 - 16:31 So there is a relationship of love built between me and people that I meet every day, where the word love doesn't come out of our mouths. It's not spoken outwardly, but I can feel it. I can feel it in my, I can feel it in my spirit. I can feel it in my bosom. Chad Hymas 16:31 - 16:38 I can feel that these people, half the time, they don't even want to leave it. Are you okay? Are you sure you're okay? I mean, do you need anything else? Chad Hymas 16:38 - 16:41 Do you want us to go get you something? Are you okay? Do you want it? Are you sure? Chad Hymas 16:41 - 17:01 I mean, they just sit there and talk to me like, They don't, and I want to go to bed, you know, I want to huddle here and I'm just ready to crash and I can take care of everything else. But they just keep asking questions and they're so grateful to be able to help me. And I have never ran, I'm trying to think if I've ever ran into a bad experience where, where. I mean, I've had people say that they're not able to help me. Chad Hymas 17:02 - 17:16 I respect that. There's no, I've had that happen frequently where maybe I don't recognize something. I size somebody up to help me get an Uber and they can't, maybe they're in a hurry. Maybe they don't find, maybe it's a little awkward or they just don't feel, or maybe they have a physical injury that I don't know about. Chad Hymas 17:17 - 17:31 But I would say that's less than 10%, less than five. I would say that's less than 5%. I am sizing up people that I know can handle me, mainly males and sometimes females. And you know what? Chad Hymas 17:31 - 17:45 It's a relationship of brotherhood and sisterhood. It's a relationship of general humanity, which is opposite what our world is going through now. We're fighting over gender identity. We're fighting over race. Chad Hymas 17:46 - 18:01 We're making fun of other people's race. There was a tweet that came out last night from a very high profile person against two other very high profile people. I'm not here to talk about politics or political party. I'm just saying, do you think God cares about that? Chad Hymas 18:02 - 18:27 I mean, do you really think that the creator of the universe thinks that one race is better than the other, or that one faith is better than the other. I just, I've met people all over the world with different belief systems that render everything they have to me. I think that's what counts. And I think, uh, as a humanity, as, as a human being, if we can get somewhere near that, I don't know if we'll ever get all the way there. Chad Hymas 18:27 - 18:47 There's so much division and so much negativity and so much on social media and so much false you know, false things that are said, false things that are read, AI is creating false images now and creating false information. There's so many untruths and false out there. I think the core truth is just seeing people's hearts. And I get to experience that every day. Chad Hymas 18:47 - 19:08 And I call it love, a term that we don't say, but I can feel it. And what an honor it is for me to be used as a tool to keep love alive in a world that's dismantling it. And I'm grateful for that. God gave me just enough in my physical abilities. Chad Hymas 19:09 - 19:26 He gave me just enough to where I could drive to the airport and begin that process. If I had anything less than what I do today, I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't be alive today. but he gave me just enough. Chad Hymas 19:27 - 19:46 And I think there's something very special about that, that have allowed literally now hundreds of thousands as we've done the math and I've been doing this 25 years and I just gave you the numbers. One leg, 26 people. You had a layover, two layovers with 17 people, every additional layover. So real quick, let me just throw this in there. Chad Hymas 19:46 - 20:06 When I got to the airport yesterday in Detroit, coming down from the up 45 minute flight, get to Detroit, the planes delayed and they don't have space heaters. You know, they don't have space heaters inside the terminal. I don't think they're allowed. I don't know. Chad Hymas 20:06 - 20:23 But somebody had a hairdryer that works for Delta. And they took me to a private office in Detroit and put that hairdryer on the desk. And I just sat down there and I got my blood warm. They brought me some chicken noodle soup out of the Delta Sky Club and brought me some hot chocolate. Chad Hymas 20:23 - 20:42 And I was warm within about 25 minutes, ready to fly my next leg. Think about the people that made the soup, that got the hairdryer to me, got me the hot cocoa, and they just stood by my side. Unbelievable to me. And I get to experience that every day of my life. Spencer Horn 20:55 - 21:26 You know, Chad, you talk about this concept of how much of our self-worth comes from our ability to be independent, right? I mean, there's no doubt that our confidence comes from our ability to accomplish, to achieve, right? Yet, you've just demonstrated so much gratitude for people who help you. And I know that you love going out on the road because, in a way, it's you asserting your independence. Spencer Horn 21:27 - 21:52 And, let me say and, your ability to actually build relationships that reflect that love back to you is one of your superpowers. I mean, you are creating relationships and you do it so quickly. And I know how competitive you are. And this is not a negative. Spencer Horn 21:52 - 22:10 I also know that you're not a very patient individual. Yet, you have the patience of Job. Even though that's not something that I know you want to have to exhibit, you do it. And you're able to connect with people so powerfully. Spencer Horn 22:10 - 22:47 And I really want to focus on this for a minute. Because there's this idea, I say it a little differently than you. I talk with business leaders all the time, Chad, about this idea that they are so focused on efficiency that they're not being effective. That's my interpretation of what you do and that is many leaders focus on speed and results that they're not creating sustainable progress and instead of just, they're just focused on immediate wins and they're not creating an environment that sustains their ability. Spencer Horn 22:48 - 22:58 You've been doing this for 20 plus years. You are able to create relationships where people want, they don't want to leave you. They want to stay with you. They want to help you. Spencer Horn 22:58 - 23:07 They want to serve you. And ultimately, as leaders, we want people. I mean, I talk about my great mentor, Kelvin Cullimore, all the time. I would do anything for him. Spencer Horn 23:07 - 23:30 He would ask me to. I worked 80 hours a week regularly when he's like, you don't have to do that. But I needed to because the demands were high. But I wanted to because of the relationship that I had with him, because of the commitment I had for him, because it was It was a joy to be able to serve, and so I'd love for you, if you don't mind, just talking about this idea of focusing Spencer Horn 23:30 - 23:38 on speed and results versus sustainable progress, which is so much more important. Can you give your perspective on that? Chad Hymas 23:38 - 23:50 Yeah, great question. I'll do the best I can. You're right, I'm not very patient, and I do like to see results quickly. But it doesn't always, there is value in the power of incrementalism. Chad Hymas 23:51 - 24:12 There is value in working smarter and not faster or harder. There is value in looking at the little accomplishments that turn out to be actually rather big things in the end. I'll give you an example. You talked about that world record marathon. Chad Hymas 24:13 - 24:37 That's been, gosh, 23 years ago. It's been 23, 24 years ago. And I remember as we were approaching Las Vegas, just after Mesquite, Spencer and Christian, it got hard. It got hard before that, but at that point, just outside of Mesquite, you can see Las Vegas in the nighttime sky. Chad Hymas 24:38 - 24:53 The lights from Vegas tend to be seen from the moon. That's all I've heard. I've never been an astronaut or been to the moon, but they say it's so bright in Las Vegas that you can see Vegas from the moon. And I would believe it, because I could see it from just outside of Mesquite. Chad Hymas 24:53 - 25:17 And so I knew that Vegas was close, but there came a time where I just, I stopped my wheelchair after pushing close to 420 miles. And there's 87 miles left to go from Mesquite to Vegas at the Mirage, which is where the race was going to end. That's where the world record was going to end. I stopped at about two, two 30 in the morning. Chad Hymas 25:17 - 25:46 because we were racing at night because it was so hot during the day. So it's the middle of the night, I stop in the middle of the road, I'm by myself, pushing, but there's a motorcade behind me, there's a motorhome, my dad's there, the driver's there, my parents are there, my siblings are there, they're in the motorhome, half of them are probably asleep, my dad's sitting in front of the seat keeping an eye on me, there's a highway patrolman from Nevada in the front, highway patrolman from Nevada in the back, and there's a few other pilot cars with lights, and we're on I-15, we're on the highway. Right? Chad Hymas 25:46 - 26:03 And I stop and I am exhausted. I've had, I got blisters and bloody fingers and we'd swap gloves a bunch of times. I just, I had fallen out of my chair right before Cedar City, had to run to the hospital and get stitches in my back. It didn't hurt. Chad Hymas 26:03 - 26:14 I can't feel my back, but I lost a lot of blood. And so I think that had gotten to me a little bit, even though I wasn't in pain that way. I was just, I was just tired. I was tired and I was done. Chad Hymas 26:15 - 26:27 And I stopped, and my dad came out and said, everything all right? You OK? And I said what Forrest Gump said in the movie. I said exactly what Forrest Gump said. Chad Hymas 26:28 - 26:40 I said, I think I'll go home now. Forrest Gump said that after running back and forth from ocean to ocean, and then from Mexico to Canada. He just stops in the middle of that road. If you remember in the movie Forrest Gump, he says, I think I'll go home now. Chad Hymas 26:41 - 26:48 That's how I'd like to think tonight. I'm tired, Dad. Who would fault me? I've gone further than we all thought that I'd go. Chad Hymas 26:48 - 26:56 We actually set a record. It's just not the big celebration at the Mirage. I'm done. He said, Son, I want you to know that I'm proud of you. Chad Hymas 26:56 - 27:10 He said that to me. And I didn't finish the race as per the plan. But he said, son, I am proud of you. Are you OK if I carry you back to the motorhome, set you on the couch, and let's get you some Gatorade, and let's talk for a minute? Chad Hymas 27:10 - 27:20 That's all he asked. That was it. He didn't say, I want to try and convince you, convert you, change your mind. He just said, are you OK if we just, let's go back and let's visit the motorhome. Chad Hymas 27:20 - 27:28 Let's get you, you know, get you cooled down a little bit. He carried my limp body, left the wheelchair outside there, on the road. Cops are stopped. Everybody's kind of stopped. Chad Hymas 27:28 - 27:35 What's going on? And they just watched my dad carry me. And he picks me up and carries me to the motorhome. Sits me on the couch. Chad Hymas 27:35 - 27:44 They bring me out a blue Gatorade was my favorite. And I start drinking that Gatorade. And I'm a little bit feeling good because my dad said he's proud of me. My dad said this. Chad Hymas 27:44 - 28:01 Instead of going on about being proud, he said this question. He said, son, how have you been measuring your success? Remember, we talked about here in the beginning the question about sustainability. About working faster, working harder, and those companies don't seem to sustain. Chad Hymas 28:01 - 28:09 And I totally agree with you, Spencer. I could not agree more. My dad says, how have you been measuring your success? I said, dad, I've been working my butt off, working hard. Chad Hymas 28:10 - 28:18 I'm counting all the mile markers. That's how I measure. I'm counting how much money we're making in the bank. I'm counting All the green mile markers, I know right where I'm at, I know how much money I've made. Chad Hymas 28:19 - 28:35 I'm trying to make this relative to the business world. I know where we're at this year, I know what kind of production, where we're at net-wise, profit margin-wise, I know where we're at after EBITDA, I know where I'm at. I'm a mile marker here, I've got 87 to go. He said, son, that's impressive. Chad Hymas 28:38 - 29:06 But what if I were to put some blinders on you, like a Clydesdale horse? So you can't see the money coming in anymore, and you start seeing only the yellow stripes in the middle of the road. For our business professionals, it would be the people that work for you every day. You got blinders on, you can't see the EBITDA and the green money coming in, but you can see in front of you the people that are working for you to make this all come to fruition. Chad Hymas 29:06 - 29:19 Son, I don't want you to look at the mile markers anymore, I want you to count the people that are helping you. I want you to count the yellow stripes. I said, I don't know, dad. I just, I don't, I don't. Chad Hymas 29:20 - 29:41 Son, I'll take you home if you want to, no problem. But if you're willing to give it a shot, you might find some energy within yourself that you did not know that you had. You might find some self-inspiration that I can't give you, son. But you'll find it deep within yourself that you never thought you had, and you will find gratitude and momentum that nobody can give you but you. Chad Hymas 29:42 - 29:51 But if you don't want to do it, fair enough. I love you the same no matter what. And I'll turn this motor home around. We'll get on the other side of the road and we'll get you back home. Chad Hymas 29:51 - 30:02 I said, dad, I'll, I'll try it. But dad, if I get tired, you know, come get me. Let's go son deal. And we shook on that. Chad Hymas 30:03 - 30:16 And I went out that night and I pushed a little over 2,300 strides. Went back out that next night, day number nine, and I pushed a little over 8,400 stripes. On a day number 10, I pushed 11,342 stripes. It's written in my book. Chad Hymas 30:16 - 30:29 And on that day, we hit Apex Junction. Apex Junction is the last hill before Las Vegas. We're only 17 miles away, and it's all downhill from there. They shut the strip down for me, Spencer. Chad Hymas 30:31 - 30:52 Christian, they had a helicopter above us, filming. It was unreal. And at nine o'clock that morning, I gave one last little oomph from the hill, one push, and all I had to do was steer downwards. The police motorcade, the motorcycles, they had the stop lights blocked off for me, and I coasted my way to the Mirage, coasted. Chad Hymas 30:52 - 31:11 People were running out of different kinds of casinos because they were seeing it on the TV screens. Now, granted, they were all drunk because they'd been drinking a lot, but I didn't care if they were drunk. They were cheering me on. And when I crossed that finish line of the Mirage, with all those people following me, there went up a cheer from a bunch of strangers, drunk, non-drunk, gambling all night. Chad Hymas 31:12 - 31:33 There went up a cheer that made me weep. And I remembered what my dad said was true. While the difficult in life takes time, because we work hard and we're doing things not necessarily the right way, or we're looking at the money coming in and we're not rewarding the people that are actually making the money. While that difficult thing takes time, the impossible. Chad Hymas 31:33 - 31:40 takes a little bit longer if you'll recognize what's right in front of you. And that's a quote from Art Berg. And my dad gave that to me. And that's hanging right up here in my office. Chad Hymas 31:40 - 31:54 So I see it every day when I'm in my office. While the difficult takes time, what's impossible just takes a little bit longer. And as you all know, that's true because sometimes I just have to wait a little bit longer to find the help I need to get into a hotel. While the difficult Spencer Horn 32:01 - 32:03 Sorry, Chad, say it again. Chad Hymas 32:03 - 32:10 So one of the difficult things is time, the impossible thing is just a little bit longer, and I hope that our listeners remember that. Christian Napier 32:12 - 32:31 I love that, I love that. Let's revisit this seminal moment, the conversation that you had with your father. Spencer talks about this a lot, you know, reflecting on what Clayton Christensen said about management being the noblest of professions. Spencer Horn 32:32 - 32:32 Yes. Christian Napier 32:34 - 33:29 We have an opportunity to be that person for those who we interact with in our work, whether they're our subordinates or peers or whatever, who could be in a difficult moment And our words could make the difference. And sometimes we look at being a manager as a rather unglamorous thing. People don't, generally speaking, like their bosses. But the story that you just shared makes me think that we could have a much, and we do perhaps, have a much greater impact on the people that work for us and the people that we serve. Christian Napier 33:30 - 34:15 A bigger impact than we realize. And I'm just curious how you see the experience that you had with your father that night on I-15, how that, and I know the circumstances are unique in many ways, But are there lessons that you think we can take from that experience and apply those lessons to the relationships that we have in the workplace with our employees, our team members, our leaders, our clients? I'm wondering if you could just reflect on that a little bit. Chad Hymas 34:15 - 34:24 Let's see if we can't come up with them together, as all three of us. So how about the power of incrementalism? The little things that we do, the yellow stripes. Spencer Horn 34:25 - 34:28 Celebrate sooner. Celebrate sooner, right? Chad Hymas 34:28 - 34:38 It's the little things that we do. I didn't start traveling the world because I'm stronger than anybody. I didn't start traveling the world because I wanted to be a speaker. I just wanted to be a farmer. Chad Hymas 34:39 - 35:03 I didn't start traveling the world because I had the money to pay for all the plane tickets. There wasn't one big grand event that all of a sudden put me on these stages across the world. It's the little things that I try and do consistently, there's your keyword, every day that compound upon itself that allow those things to happen. So I try and make 10 new contacts a day. Chad Hymas 35:03 - 35:37 And the same goes for my office staff. They need to hit a quota and meet or talk to 10 to 20, maybe 30 new potentials every single day to hit that, to build those relationships, to grow our I guess in the workplace we call it brand, but how about just to grow our relationships, to grow our base, to grow our people that like what we have to offer, and that maybe we can contribute, and that we can find something they have to offer to us as well. So it's the little things that we do, we've all heard this, consistency compounds. Chad Hymas 35:37 - 35:50 If we don't do it one day, we're gonna get to where we get used to not doing it for two or three, we must do it every day. So there's two lessons. The power of incrementalism, consistency compounds. Number three, persevere. Chad Hymas 35:52 - 36:02 We all go through challenges and trials. We all go through depression. We all go through the downer days. You honor those downer days by trying to get out of those slumps quickly and focus on what you still have. Chad Hymas 36:03 - 36:19 I can focus on what I've lost, and you can see I've lost, I think I've lost quite a bit in my life. At least, I think I've lost everything, at least a couple of times. There's no better place to start when you've lost something. It's a great place to start. Chad Hymas 36:19 - 36:45 And you honor losses by the way you live your life moving forward. If you've experienced a loss of divorce, the loss of maybe you had a bad month in business, or two months, or three months, or maybe a bad year, how about the loss of a loved one? God forbid, some of you've gone through that. You honor losses by the way that you, Work on your mindset and live your life propelling forward. Chad Hymas 36:45 - 37:00 Elizabeth Smart is a great example of that. Mr. John Walsh of America's Most Wanted is a prime example of that. People that have experienced massive loss. Right now, Savannah Guthrie, the loss of their mother. Chad Hymas 37:01 - 37:23 It would be interesting to see if they find her or not, and if they don't, how they honor that loss by new things that they start to do and implement to help others to not have to go through that kind of pain. You honor losses by the way you live your life moving forward. prayers to Savannah and her family right now as they look for her mother who has been kidnapped. I'm just drawing things out there. Spencer Horn 37:23 - 37:58 So I have a couple, those are great, and I have a couple more, but is it really, you know, those are things that you did, but I think one of the things that your dad really did that speaks back to what Christian referred to, you know, Clayton Christensen, is what causes people to love what they do and have that desire to sustain their energy? that you did, is knowing that they're appreciated. And your dad did that in such a humble and powerful way, even though that was such a small thing to say, I'm so proud of you. Spencer Horn 37:59 - 38:06 When you know that you are appreciated and valued, what does that do for you, Chad? Chad Hymas 38:07 - 38:29 Well, and that I'm not going to be judged if I choose what he is not going to want. I'd shoot and say, you know what, I think Dad, I appreciate the talk, but he would have taken me home, and he would have still been proud of me. I know that, I know that. To this very day, and it's been 25, 26 years since I've been in a chair, my dad is now 75 years old, 76. Chad Hymas 38:31 - 38:44 There's not a day that goes by that he doesn't call me up on my phone. He called me this morning, 6.30. Son, where are you farming today? Every day it's the same question. Spencer Horn 38:44 - 38:49 That's, again, how much he loves you and how much he cares. Chad Hymas 38:49 - 38:54 But he doesn't say that. He doesn't say, I love you. But I feel it. I never hear the word. Chad Hymas 38:54 - 39:03 I don't think I've ever heard my dad say, I love you. But I get a call from a 76-year-old man that says, son, where are you farming today? Dad, I just got home from the UP. I'm in the office. Chad Hymas 39:03 - 39:10 I have a podcast today. Sean Dahl and I have date night tonight. Dad, we're going to go to the temple. Dad, we might go see our new grandchild. Chad Hymas 39:12 - 39:22 Home today, it's a catch-up day. Son, take your rest, get yourself, feel better, stay warm, son. Son, I just want you to know that I'm very, very proud of how you farmed. I better go now, son. Chad Hymas 39:23 - 39:31 Hope you have a good day, bye. I mean, that is it. It is quick. It's 30 seconds tops, but he never misses a day out of seven days, never. Chad Hymas 39:33 - 39:48 My dad never has to tell me that he appreciates me because it's demonstrated by his behavior. Now relate that to the workplace. Don't go out to your manufacturing plants or wherever it is that you work in your office buildings and start telling the people in their cubicles that you love them. It doesn't come across very well. Chad Hymas 39:48 - 39:57 It's not authentic and it certainly isn't real. Show them. Demonstrate it by your gratitude. Call them into your office. Chad Hymas 39:57 - 40:04 Ask them how things are going. What are some of the challenges they're faced with? You'll find more often than not, they're not looking for a pay raise. They're not looking for more money. Chad Hymas 40:05 - 40:16 They just want to feel appreciated. And I feel that every day when I wake up. What a great way to wake up in the morning. That's a great way to wake up. Chad Hymas 40:17 - 40:32 I get out of bed and I know automatically at 6.30 in the morning, my phone's gonna ring. And somebody is proud that I am alive and I'm doing it. It motivates me to get going off my devotional and get going off my day, because that's the first thing that happens before I do anything else. Spencer Horn 40:32 - 40:44 Chad, one of the things that I've seen you do is you ask people about their family. So do you have kids at home and how old are they? So think about that as a manager. Calling somebody into your office. Spencer Horn 40:44 - 40:50 Tell me about your kids. How are they doing? And hey, what have you done fun with your kids lately? You know what? Spencer Horn 40:51 - 40:58 You've been working so hard. I would love for you. I'm just taking something that you said the other day. I would love to see you go home and take them some ice cream. Spencer Horn 40:58 - 41:10 Why don't you tell that story? In other words, you do something for those people's children and know that you care about them. I don't know. What would that do, Christian? Chad Hymas 41:10 - 41:28 If the boss calling up somebody in the office saying, you know what? I realize how grateful I am for all you do for us in the office. I'm gonna give you a $20 bill. Now that might seem pretty minuscule and almost offensive at first, but listen to the purpose of the $20 bill. Chad Hymas 41:28 - 41:52 This $20 bill, Mr. or Mrs. Johnson, is not for you. I need you to take this to the store today and get some ice cream, a couple of bananas, some caramel, some hot fudge, and get a Kit Kat and a Butterfinger. Some whipped cream too. And when you go home, will you tell your kids that you had a meeting with your boss today? Chad Hymas 41:52 - 42:16 And that while you were meeting with your boss, that you realized you spend most of your time away from your kids whom you love the most. And you spend it with me, your boss. And I just want your kids to know how grateful I am that they allow you to do that, and that they should be proud of themselves. It will benchmark those kids to a higher level, because they'll become the mom and the dad of the house. Chad Hymas 42:16 - 42:45 Easy way, and every boss should do that with every employee. I'm just saying, now those kids, mom and dad aren't so worried about some of the challenges that they're facing. The next time those kids are faced with depression, racism, suicidal thoughts, a fight at school, bullying, whatever that might be, what are they gonna know? My mom and dad love me and my mom's boss or my dad's boss recognizes that I have self-worth and self-value. Chad Hymas 42:45 - 42:48 And that's how they fight that off. But it's gotta. Spencer Horn 43:00 - 43:09 You're right. It does need to be authentic. I know I cut you off there. I get excited because I want people to hear that message. Spencer Horn 43:09 - 43:22 So that's one thing. You show appreciation. And then the other thing that I think is amazing that creates sustainability is actually the chance to grow. And he did it in such a clever little way. Spencer Horn 43:22 - 43:38 He said, listen, let's try a different approach. Let's focus your energy on just the next win. Let's not look at the project that's overwhelming, right? Let's not look at that project that is creating anxiety right now. Spencer Horn 43:39 - 44:10 Let's just, let's do a return and report, you know, a little bit at a time and see how that, focus your energy. But what happens is when we have a goal that's a little bit above what we're capable of, when we achieve it, Oh, the tears that were there at the end, the joy that you feel of actually accomplishing something that you didn't think you could do is an incredible gift that we as leaders can give people. Give people opportunities to stretch. Spencer Horn 44:11 - 44:17 Trust them enough to go out and fight battles. That's a lesson I hear from you, Chad. I don't know. What do you think? Chad Hymas 44:17 - 44:29 Yeah, it's fair. It's fair. Christian, you might have something to add to that as well. But yeah, Spencer, in the professional world, that's the way that we would word it. Christian Napier 44:31 - 44:53 Yeah. One of the things that I'm thinking about, and I know you're probably like, man, we're drawing every last drop of blood from this story, from this turnip that we possibly can. But one thing that really struck me from the experience that you shared is how your father honored your agency. And I think, I work in the public sector. Christian Napier 44:55 - 45:34 And in the public sector, government has incredibly awesome powers. I don't mean awesome like in, like really cool. I mean awesome as the impact that they can have on people. They have the ability to remove rights from people, to separate families, to actually terminate life, And with that awesome power, we try to put guardrails in place so that things are done deliberately according to the rule of law. Christian Napier 45:34 - 46:41 And I think that's a vital thing. At the same time, in our attempt to remove all risk from process we minimize people's ability to exercise agency because we're so afraid of the impact from these risks. And so I'm curious in the work that you do as a leader of an organization and also advising some of the most high profile organizations and individuals on this planet, you know, How do you get people to, who are especially in positions of leadership or power, to allow those who work on their behalf to exercise their agency and not box them in through incredibly micromanaged procedures, right? Chad Hymas 46:42 - 47:11 It's a catchy thing, right? Especially when you start getting into union workforces where they only do certain jobs or things like that, and I get that. I think that one thing that I have always tried to express to leaders of organizations in order to get the most out of their people is to have them, if people mean the most to them, okay? So I always ask, I always ask, what's their greatest asset? Chad Hymas 47:12 - 47:23 I'll ask a CEO or executive, what's their greatest asset? What's their answer every time? It's their people. And I said, wait a second, you've got hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure. Chad Hymas 47:23 - 47:36 You've got hundreds of millions of dollars in backlog. You've got hundreds of millions of dollars in inventory. You've got hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment out there at the lay down yard that I saw at the power plant. You've got, there's a lot of money sitting here. Chad Hymas 47:36 - 47:47 What is your greatest asset? And they say the same thing. It's our people. I said, okay, if that's your answer, can you tell me how many of your people that are unhappy here. Chad Hymas 47:49 - 48:08 Can you tell me how many of your people, or you know which people, have been injured here? Do you know how many people that you've sent home overworked, or stressed, or dissatisfied? Do you know those numbers? If people mean the most to you, which is what you told me, sir, you told me that people mean the most to you, can you tell me that, do you know where you're at there? Chad Hymas 48:09 - 48:26 That the people that are out there on the floor, or are we in the desk in the CEO's office, and do we not know that answer? And they can't tell me that answer. Then I ask them another question. If you were missing $2,000 on your CEO paycheck or 3,000 or 4,000 or 5,000, would you know it? Chad Hymas 48:27 - 48:52 What's their answer to that? Of course I would know it. What they believe and what they are demonstrating are complete opposites. So if they want to have a higher production from their people, and they are saying with their lips that people mean the most to them, they need to stop giving lip service and go spend the majority of their time with the people that mean the most to them. Chad Hymas 48:53 - 49:09 Otherwise, it's the production and the outcome and the EBITDA and the money that they make that means the most to them. They're just saying that people mean the most to them. One of the greatest exemplars of this is a guy by the name of Vern Baker. Vern Baker is the general manager of Gold Strike Mines in Elko, Nevada. Chad Hymas 49:09 - 49:26 2,300 people he's over. You will not be able to find Vern in his office, which is very big office, got a boardroom on it, nice decorated up. You will not find Vern Baker in his office from six in the morning to 11 in the morning. I think it's Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Chad Hymas 49:28 - 49:40 He will not take a call from corporate. He will not be on a conference call. You will not find Vern Baker in his office from six in the morning to 11 in the morning, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Where is Vern Baker? Chad Hymas 49:41 - 50:03 He's in the truck driving around the mine site, talking to people like we just talked about, thanking them for what they do, and finding out what they're doing great, and what they need to do their job better, and what they're doing successful, and what are some of the challenges they're faced with. He's not promising that he can fix all their problems, but he's amongst his people, and they love him for it. They love him. Chad Hymas 50:04 - 50:17 Sometimes he'll take out some sodas and some pops and hand out the guys. Sometimes they'll have a bunch of pizzas in the truck to give him some lunch, but he's not trying to buy their affection or love. He really wants to sit down and have some meetings with the crews. And you say, hey, I just, can you guys give me 10 minutes of your time? Chad Hymas 50:17 - 50:26 Give me some feedback on what are we doing well? What are we not? How can we become more effective with the gold prices as high as they are? What can we do to produce better and be more efficient and effective? Chad Hymas 50:26 - 50:31 And what are we missing here? Can you educate me on your job? I'm not a welder. You're a welder. Chad Hymas 50:31 - 50:36 I mean, do we have the right tools? Do you guys have the right tools? Spencer Horn 50:36 - 50:38 People are smart, Chad. They know when you're sincere, don't they? Chad Hymas 50:39 - 50:41 Absolutely. And you know what? Corporate doesn't like it. Spencer Horn 50:43 - 51:01 What you're describing here, this is really important, Chad. What you're describing here is a mindset shift if a leader recognizes that they're not leading well that they need to make. What is that mindset shift and what is the impact? You're describing it. Spencer Horn 51:01 - 51:01 Keep going. Chad Hymas 51:01 - 51:11 You can't put a price tag on it. And corporate doesn't like the fact that they can't reach burn from 6 to 11. They don't like it. But they can't fire him because it's the highest producing mine that they have. Spencer Horn 51:13 - 51:13 See, there you go. Chad Hymas 51:14 - 51:28 You can't fire him. You can't let the guy go. But he's doing what he should be doing because his greatest assets are the people. And if they feel like they're in unsafe conditions or that they need a new, they need a new pin in the back hole, and it's been sitting there for, they're going to tell Vern that. Chad Hymas 51:29 - 51:32 And Vern's going to have a prior list and he's going to make sure that sucker gets on the parlor and gets done. Spencer Horn 51:32 - 51:47 And they know that he's fighting for them. And so they fight for him and that's the power of engagement. And that's what we were talking about. That's sustainable progress rather than, you know, a balance sheet wins. Chad Hymas 51:49 - 52:02 Now, every time I think about Vern and what he does, despite the pushback he gets from corporate to be on a corporate call with all the other GMs of all the other mines on a Monday at 9 a.m., Vern will not be on that call. Spencer Horn 52:02 - 52:09 Oh, and they're probably giving him crap because he's not setting the example for missing meetings. Chad Hymas 52:09 - 52:24 They want him to be there. Well, they're going to have to change the time to either Tuesday or Thursday in the morning or in the afternoon when he's back in his office, but not Monday, Wednesday. That's when the people are the busiest and he wants to be there with the people and it's at high volume. He doesn't want to be this low. Chad Hymas 52:24 - 52:31 He wants to be this high volume and people are pressed for time. And he wants to take them aside and say, guys, let's just stop. I know we're pushing for gold right now. Just stop. Chad Hymas 52:31 - 52:35 Let's just stop work. Just stop. Let's take 15 minutes. I need to visit with you 15 people. Chad Hymas 52:35 - 52:45 You guys can talk to me for a minute. How are you guys doing right now? Are you tired? Is there something we can implement to maybe have it more effective here? Chad Hymas 52:45 - 52:52 What are we doing? It's a very easy assessment. It's like this. Vern's got this title of manager. Chad Hymas 52:52 - 53:02 And if you want to find out what kind of a manager he is, you could ask him or maybe his secretary. They'll tell you what you want to hear. Go ask the guys that work for him. They love him. Chad Hymas 53:02 - 53:22 So for us here on the phone today, on this call, on this airwave call, We have titles, we're parents, that's a title. We're fathers, we're mothers who are listening. Are people better because you're around or are they not? I can tell you without hesitation that people are better because Verne Baker is the man who does that mindsight. Chad Hymas 53:22 - 53:37 And corporate Toronto knows that. They can't fire, they can't get rid of him for that. He's the highest producing manager for the entire, they just want to scale and move him up, which they can do, but Vern wants to stay there with people. He doesn't have a desire to go to corporate. Chad Hymas 53:37 - 53:53 He doesn't have the impact there. He wants to be with his frontline people. kind of the law of association. Spencer Horn 53:57 - 54:12 You're talking about the law of association. I mean, think about it when, you know, at the end of the day, when you come home to your loved ones and the garage door goes up, what have you conditioned them? Oh my goodness, my love is home. I'm so excited." Or like, oh no, my peace is gone. Spencer Horn 54:13 - 54:24 I mean, what do they associate when you show up on the job site? Oh my gosh, he's going to, or she's going to, she's here to help. She's not here to, you know, to make my life miserable. Why are they here? Spencer Horn 54:24 - 54:41 There must be a problem. They're here to listen. We condition people, just like Pavlov said, we condition people every day by how we show up. Just like your dad has conditioned you to know that he loves you, even though he doesn't say it, you feel it. Spencer Horn 54:41 - 54:55 We condition everybody by our actions every single day. And so those are some great nuggets, Christian. I know we're kind of getting up against it. What, uh, do you have another question you'd like to, well, we got, we, we got to use them while he's here. Spencer Horn 54:55 - 54:59 We only got five minutes. Gosh, I can't hear you, Christian. Christian Napier 55:01 - 55:07 I muted my mic because there was some noise in the background there. I apologize. I was just curious, Spencer, if you had a lightning round planned. Spencer Horn 55:07 - 55:10 I do. I do have a lightning round. I didn't even tell Chad about it. Christian Napier 55:10 - 55:13 We've got five minutes left with Chad here. Spencer Horn 55:14 - 55:21 All right. OK, Chad. I got 10 questions for you. These are quick, high energy, just whatever comes to mind, all right? Chad Hymas 55:22 - 55:29 Finish this. I don't drink. I mean, I don't drink Booster drinks, but I can see if I can order one up from the staff here. I mean, do I need to do that first? Spencer Horn 55:30 - 55:34 Oh no, no energy drinks, you got it. Finish the sentence, leadership is. Chad Hymas 55:34 - 55:38 The ability to influence the lives of other people. Spencer Horn 55:38 - 55:41 The one trait every great team needs. Chad Hymas 55:42 - 55:44 The ability to come together and work together. Spencer Horn 55:45 - 55:49 Your favorite quote or motto. I already know it. Chad Hymas 55:50 - 55:52 Get without remembering and receive without forgetting is one of them. Spencer Horn 55:53 - 55:56 Yes, and also that hard takes time. Chad Hymas 55:58 - 56:00 While the difficult takes time, the impossible just takes a little longer. Spencer Horn 56:00 - 56:04 That's right. Your last book that changed your perspective? Chad Hymas 56:05 - 56:06 The Art of War. Spencer Horn 56:07 - 56:11 The Art of War. Solo achievement or team win? What's more fulfilling? Chad Hymas 56:15 - 56:25 It took all of us to get that little baby born this week and get it out of NICU. We all had to be calling in support. It took all of us. It wasn't just the mother, although she did the hard, hard work, right? Chad Hymas 56:26 - 56:27 It is a team effort. Spencer Horn 56:27 - 56:31 It all went to NICU. Well, I knew you were going to have a grandbaby, so congratulations. Chad Hymas 56:32 - 56:39 Baby's out of NICU. Mom and Dad got to take the baby home last night. My wife is there in support. It's a team. Chad Hymas 56:39 - 56:46 We're all there to help. And we're not, you know, no one's alone. We're there to help. So satisfying. Spencer Horn 56:46 - 56:57 Yeah, I know the answer to this. But for those of us who don't drink coffee, coffee or energy from within? Just what's your point? Chad Hymas 56:59 - 57:10 I might just say coffee on this one. I've never had it, but I hear it does pretty good. Some people get up and they can't function without their coffee. I can't function without getting a phone call from my dad. Chad Hymas 57:10 - 57:20 So that's my coffee for the morning. My phone call is my coffee. Caffeine free, no milk, no sugar. Pretty good. Spencer Horn 57:21 - 57:22 Most underrated leadership skill? Chad Hymas 57:25 - 57:36 Most underrated leadership skill is simply the ability to see that you have the power within yourself to make change. Underrated. Way overlooked. Spencer Horn 57:37 - 57:41 What inspires you right now? Possibly that little brand new baby, I don't know. Chad Hymas 57:43 - 58:17 I want my wife to be able to live her passion, which is serving other people, and she likes horses. I'm driven to let her do that because she's been serving me for the majority of our married life. And I want her in this last phase of our life, the last 20 years or 25 years to be able to create her desire to do therapy with autistic kids and horses and serve others as she does so well. Meals on wheels three times a week, the old folks home once a week, the temple of God three times a week. Chad Hymas 58:17 - 58:26 She's in the temple working. That's her passion. And I want to back that up. She's been serving me for, ever, way more than I would have liked. Chad Hymas 58:26 - 58:29 I want her to go and let me support them. Spencer Horn 58:30 - 58:35 Brilliant. One word people use to describe your, your talks. Chad Hymas 58:40 - 58:41 Experience. Spencer Horn 58:42 - 58:52 They are experienced. What's your superpower in one sentence? I know he's a humble guy, so these are awkward for you. So I'm doing it on purpose. Chad Hymas 58:52 - 59:09 Get you out of your comfort zone. My superpower and one is to be able to say that I'm sorry when I don't like receiving help from those that I'm closest to. I am quick to say I recognize that I'm wrong right now. I think that's a power. Chad Hymas 59:10 - 59:17 That's a gift. I don't like to let those feelings last long. I have a hard time receiving help from those that I'm closest to. Spencer Horn 59:17 - 59:31 But you know what? I'm going to add to that, Chad. One of the things that I didn't have a chance to ask you about is the importance of vulnerability, and you have it. Even as you were describing what it's like to care for yourself, Christian, you felt that openness and that vulnerability. Spencer Horn 59:31 - 59:45 And that's something that we need more in leadership is the ability to say, this is hard for me. But that's an emotional intelligence skill that you have, Chad. You've learned it. You're able to actually say what you're feeling. Spencer Horn 59:45 - 59:56 And a lot of people really struggle with that. But that's a powerful thing that you have, vulnerability, resilience. And I'm so grateful for the time that you spent with us this morning. Christian, what do you got? Christian Napier 59:57 - 1:00:16 The last question for you, Chad, as we wrap it up here, is if people, leaders, organizations, if they are interested in connecting with you to see how you can help them to become better at whatever they do, what's the best way for them to connect with you? Chad Hymas 1:00:17 - 1:00:38 I would love to connect and talk with you. Just Google my name, Chad, C-H-A-D, H-Y-M-A-S, Hymas, H-Y-M-A-S. Do we get to listen to that little play thing again, that little musical thing where you hit the button? I love that. Chad Hymas 1:00:38 - 1:00:39 I gotta do one of those. Christian Napier 1:00:39 - 1:00:54 I gotta figure out how to do that. Yeah, we'll help you with that. And you'll get one last one when we'll play you out here in a second. Spencer, you've been helping organizations build high-performing teams for decades. Christian Napier 1:00:54 - 1:00:58 If people are interested in learning how you can help them, how should they reach out? Spencer Horn 1:00:58 - 1:01:19 Just message me on LinkedIn, Spencer Horn. Give me a shout out there. And we'll put, Chad, we'll put links to your website on the show notes so people can reach you and anything else. And Christian, I just, Chad, I hope you know now what an amazing individual he is. Spencer Horn 1:01:19 - 1:01:28 I just love being with this man. He's such a great guy, such a deep thinker. He makes such an impact wherever he goes. So how can people find you, my friend? Christian Napier 1:01:29 - 1:01:45 LinkedIn as well, just happy to connect with anybody there, and I really appreciate this. I know I'll be accused of recency bias, Chad, but this is on my Mount Rushmore of our episodes. Thank you for making such an impact. We appreciate your time. Christian Napier 1:01:46 - 1:01:54 And listeners and viewers, we appreciate you. Thank you so much for joining us for this hour. Please like and subscribe to our podcast. We'll catch you again soon. Spencer Horn 1:01:55 - 1:01:57 Hang on one more second, Chad, before you go.