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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Hey, welcome to the Bible

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Guys. Everyone here, we are
Chris. We are Chris and Jeff.

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Again. It's good to be back, buddy. If you're following in real

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time. Two weeks ago, I
was out. Last week, Jeff was

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out. We had a spattering of
guests. Really fun, kind of a

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little buffet of guests spattering. Yes, sounds messy. Yeah, whenever you're

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not here, Jeff, everything everything
is messy. No, it was.

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It was great. It was a
lot of fun. But I'm sure that

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people who enjoy us together enjoy the
fact that you're now back way better and

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I'm back. No, No,
our guests did a great job, so

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thank you. Thank you to all
of them. They job, They did

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a fantastic job. Yeah, in
fact, it was very fun. I

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just listened to myself and Quinn this
morning. Oh good. Yeah, well

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I missed it and I'm looking forward
to being back in the studio with you

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man getting this thing done. Yes, knocking it out, killing it.

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And today we are starting off with
a riveting segment of Dad joke competition.

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Oh I hadn't even seen that yet, dad jokes. Yes, you haven't

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looked at it. I haven't looked
at any single joke. We go,

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okay, okay, so you want
to start here? We go? Sure,

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okay. Hey, you hear that
the Hulk has started recycling. No,

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he's really going green. Oh no, that's terrible. No, No,

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I'm not laughing at that. I'm
not laughing either. Here's a good

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one. I recently took a poll
and found that one of the people in

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the tent were angry when it collapsed. That's a good one. It's just

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so random. It's so random.
Of course they were ready to collapse.

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That's so funny. And by the
way, ten collapsing is not fun as

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No, no, it's not.
Excuse me, okay, it happened a

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few times. Number two, Uh, here we go. Just reading that

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there's a small island off the coast
of Italy with five million Sicilian people.

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That's the biggest number I've ever seen. What, let me read it again,

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Sicilian. Just reading that there's a
small island off the coast of Italy

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with five million Sicilian people. Five
million Sicilian, five million Sicilian. That's

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the number five million sicilian. Oh
wow, that is that was a rough

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one. That was rough. On. I want to go on record and

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see that's the roughest I've ever seen, because you're supposed to assume that million

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Sicilian is like a number, like
a big number, million Sicilian. Oh

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my goodness, that is just I
think. Is that more than a gajillion?

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She might have googled the worst jokes
ever? Oh no, something,

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Wow, that's terrible. This one
says once my dog ate all the scrabble

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tiles, and for days he kept
leaving little messages around the house. That

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one's good. That one's good.
I like that. That's a good one.

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I like that one. Okay,
what do you call old woman who

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lives at the top of a church
tower? I don't know. Bell.

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Oh yes, okay. If I
would have thought about that for half a

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second, long as it was coming
out of your mouth, I thought,

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well, yeah, okay, let
me see. Every morning, after I

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get out of the house, a
bike comes out of nowhere and runs me

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over. It's a vicious cycle.
It's a vicious cycle. Okay, all

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right, yeah, I get it. Okay, okay, cycles, good

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one. All right, how about
this one? A Lumberjack went into a

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magic forest to cut a tree.
Upon arrival, he started to swing at

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the tree when it shouted. Wait, I'm a talking tree, Lumberjack grinned,

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and you will dialogue die a log? Oh no, no, nope,

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yeah, not laughing, man,
Your whole set is rough today.

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Yeah, it's really rough, and
you will dialogue. Yes, I'm a

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talking tree. You would die a
log. Okay, it's clever, it's

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clever. It is clever, but
it's Is it possible to stretch to reach

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too far? Perhaps? Yeshaps?
Yes, Today I learned that if you

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turn a canoe over, you can
wear it as a hat because it's capsized.

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Now that is yeah, So I
got a tent one and a canoe

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one right up my alley man,
Yes, okay, here we go.

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I took my dog to the lake
yesterday, and notice he floats very well.

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He's a very good boy. Good
boy, Oh my goodness, gracious

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good, he's a good boy.
That is terrible. I like your reaction

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better than the joke. Okay,
I accidentally drank a bottle of invisible ink.

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Now I'm in the hospital waiting to
be seen. Oh no, okay,

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Wow, that was really just a
I liked mine, I have four

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out of five were good. Yeah, I like three out of four for

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you for three out of five,
five, three out of five yeah,

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okay, yeah, I liked zero
out of zero for me or zero out

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of five, I should say I
can't get the numbers, right, Okay,

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Oh goodness gracious, well, hey, that is uh, maybe an

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appropriate way to kick us off today. I don't know you're back. I

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don't know, and big wamp wamps. Yes. So, if you've been

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following along, we've been in the
Book of Job, which is you know,

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Job lived during the time of probably
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob right in

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that time. And he's going through
a rough time and I think you guys

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are to say the least. You
guys already talked about his buddies, right,

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yeah, yeah, we did last
time. So we did four episodes

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of Job. This is this would
be our fifth episode. Yeah, So

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his his three buddies show up,
you know, with friends like this,

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who needs enemies quite honestly, right, they're just kind of going after him.

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And in this chapter, specifically nineteen, he finally says, come on,

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you guys are busted my chops ten
times, you've really you're hurting my

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feelings. You're making me mad by
the way I feel like now, I

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don't feel like you're helping because they
start off, Oh, we just want

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to help you figure out what's happening, Job, and then by now because

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they just keep hammering him and hammering
him that if you look at the beginning

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of this chapter, he says,
I don't feel like you're helping me now.

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I think you're trying to just rub
it in my face. And he

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says, if I've sinned, if
this is me and God, then it's

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none of your business. It's between
me and God. Right, That's what

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he says at the beginning, and
then he kind of blames God. Have

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you ever been there? In verse
six he says, it's God who's wronged

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me. Yeah, right, Yeah, we were talking about that earlier.

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The fact that we went through all
of Joseph, and Joseph seems like he

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had like the perfect reactions, right, and Job seems like he has the

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most unbelievable reactions. But then he
finally finally comes around and shows his humanity

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in his thoughts. Well, he's
frustrated with God, right, but then

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he comes into Hey, but everything's
going to be okay, and then he's

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frustrated again and everything, and I
feel like that's me a lot of times,

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up and down, up and downs. I think that's everybody, isn't

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that. Yeah, so good days
and bad absolutely. So. The context

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of this chapter is he feels like
he's getting roughed up by his friends again,

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and he's telling them I think I'm
convinced that this is only between me

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and God. It's none of your
business. But we're just going to read

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a few verses today, and these
are unbelievable considering I believe these would be

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the earliest written words within the Christian
and the Jewish religious writings about eternity like

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this, because Job was written before
Genesism chronologically, yeah yeah right. Job

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would have probably been the oldest book
written in the Bible. So here's what

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he says. We're just going to
read Job nineteen twenty three through twenty seven.

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And it says, oh that my
words could be recorded, Oh that

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they could be inscribed on a monument, carved with an iron chisel and filled

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with le engraved forever in the rock. But as for me, I know

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that my redeemer lives, and he
will stand upon the earth at last,

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and after my body is decayed,
yet in my body, I will see

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God. I will see him for
myself. Yes, I will see him

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with my own eyes. And I'm
overwhelmed at the thought. Right. Then

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he goes and says, why do
you guys keep persecuting me? So?

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Right? But he has this poet
this pause so early in the chapter,

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he says, hey, this is
between me and God. Then he's frustrated

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with him for busting his chops,
and then he comes back and goes,

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you know what, as for me, I know that my redeemer lives.

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I wish that all my complaints would
be written in stone. And you know,

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hey, somebody needs to be keeping
a record of this as we sort

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this out. Somebody needs to be
keeping a record of it. But here's

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what I know, no matter what
God's good, whether I live or die,

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I'm going to see him someday physically. Yeah. And it's really interesting.

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We didn't read it, of course, but the very next verse is,

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how dare you go on persecuting me? Say it's it's it's his own

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fault. You should fear punishment yourselves
for your attitude deserves punishment. So he

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goes back to, you know,
just yelling at his friends. So it

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so really this is this uh this
this haven, right, it's this this

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isle of refuge. In the middle
of his conversation and he's like, hey,

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the one thing I know, just
like you said, my Redeemer Lives.

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And how could you not think of
that song? Yeah? Right,

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And and you know, by the
way, that was her only hit.

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Yeah, great song. I think
it was really great song. When I

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listened to that and it still plays, I mean what it was early nineties.

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Maybe my daughter listens to it all
times songs. Yeah, and and

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everybody waits for the fade out there
Natalie Grant, Yeah, I think so,

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right during the fade out of the
song when she says I spoke to

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him this morning, and every he's
like, yeah, that's right, this

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morning he lives. So if you
don't know that song, look up Natalie

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Grant and My Redeemer Lives. That's
great, that's good. Or Jason Krab

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also did it. It's really good, really yeah, really right, I

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can't remember. I can't imagine it
being better than Natalie's. Well it's good.

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So anyways, I think that there's
a lot in this really for a

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Christian in particular the idea that you
know, like we started off, as

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we were just getting into this,
we started off saying this, it's up

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and down, up and down,
up and down. And even in this

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he's frustrated, he's arguing with his
buddies, and then he pauses and has

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this really brilliant moment of everything's going
to be okay, and God is my

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redeemer, right, and then he
goes back to arguing with him again.

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And this is most of the Book
of Job, by the way, most

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of the Book of Job is him
going back and forth, back and forth,

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back and forth on this. But
let's talk about this idea of I

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know that my Redeemer lives. So
the idea of a redeemer. And here's

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a great note, by the way, we always love the Life Application study

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Bibles. Here's a great note that
starts it off. So let's start it

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this way. At the heart of
the Book of Job comes his ringing affirmation

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of confidence, I know that my
Redeemer lives. In ancient Israel, a

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redeemer was a family member who bought
a slave's way to freedom, or who

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took care of a widow. And
remember that happened with Ruth, Ruth,

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and Boaz. What tremendous faith Job
had, especially since he was unaware of

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the conference between God and Satan.
Job thought that God had brought all these

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disasters upon him, and faced with
death and decay, Job still expected to

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see God, and he expected to
do so in his body. When the

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Book of Job was written, Israel
did not have a well developed doctrine of

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the resurrection. Although Job struggled with
the idea that God was presently against him,

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he firmly believed that in the end, God would be on his side.

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And this belief was so strong that
Job became one of the first to

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talk about the resurrection of the body. Isn't that amazing? Yes, So

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to think about first of all,
let's just talk about the fact that he

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was not privy to this private conversation
between God and Satan, and he still

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believed God was good. Right.
Well, I mean, with all the

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bad things happened in his life.
Well, I mean, it just seems

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like moments after the tragedy struck when
he shaved his head, yeah, and

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he said, you know, Niked
came out of Memo's win, came out

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of my mothers room and make it
all return, and then he says,

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shall we not accept the bad along
with the good? Who says that?

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Yeah, nobody says that, exactly
nobody. I'm talking literally, not a

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person that I know, you know, I mean, unless they're modeling after

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him. I mean, he's the
one who had the original thought. Yeah

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right, I know we can say
it because job's at the bar, right,

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but he but man, I mean, just unbelievable. That's that's phenomenal

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to me. And I love I
love his response, and it kind of

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you're right, It does kind of
prep us to think a different way.

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You know, every great idea is
thought first by somebody, right, somebody

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has this great idea, and then
suddenly we all begin to aspire to it

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or or latch onto it and believe
it. I think that like Thomas Jefferson,

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not a perfect guy, but he's
the one who told us all all

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men are created equal, right,
And ever since, prior to that being

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written, it was talked about chit
chat a little bit, but not like

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at the core of humanity believed.
And then and now of a sudden,

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you know, he writes it,
and America begins to go in that direction.

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We haven't perfectly executed on that process. But we aspire to an idea

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because in seventeen seventy six some guy
wrote it right. Well, it's not

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very far off from Job's original thoughts
here when he said, oh, that

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my words would be recorded, Yeah, and that they would be inscribed on

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a monument carved with an iron chisel
filled with lead. Hey, if you've

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ever walked around Washington, DC,
you see those words inscribed. That's exactly

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what I was going for. Yeah, that's exactly what you're right. And

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so what happens is people have these
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humanity's mind, and we think about
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And so when I read the book
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my trials like him. I'm also
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and down, up and down,
up and down, but he kept landing

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on the right solutions right, and
he felt like he was blaming God through

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this whole book. He never understands
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the whole book. He just felt
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And he loved God anyways, and
he trusted God anyways. But these phrases

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here just kind of make you think, Man, I want to be that

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guy. I want to be a
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as it comes, and says God
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because of So do you remember when
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we were entry No, I don't
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along now. So when we were
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you know, even before the Internet, which is crazy, even say,

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oh, wowed, there's still clay
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right, well, there was sometimes
we would buy books that were helps for

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sermons. And there was a book
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was like illustrations in a can you
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in other words, they're not our
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know, anonymous illustrations. And I
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trader. Do you know this one? So just humor me for a minute

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here, because it was so powerful, Like I cried every time I spoke

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it or read it. But basically, this guy is walking along and he

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comes across, you know, a
slave trader who's selling slaves publicly and you

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know, one by one, you
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then there was this little girl,
you know, and she was, you

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know, just this timid little thing, and there was other men around them,

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and they were bidding higher and higher. And then the illustration went on

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to say that these men were shouting, you know, obscene things, and

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you know, they really were fighting
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it was just really descriptive and you
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that moment. And so then this
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for his trip, and he decides
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decides he's not going to make the
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trade. He's not you know this
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he would have had, you know, to prepare himself, you know,

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but he decides in that moment to
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his entire livelihood, and he decides
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of gold. And so then he
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grabs her and starts walking up and
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him the whole time, yelling at
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you and all these different things.
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he's just walking up and down the
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this town and come to find out
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some clerical thing. And then he
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comes back out and she spits in
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I will never serve you. And
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paper and says, you're free.
Wow. And I get emotional talk.

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I get emotional talking about it just
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also just the concept there. And
he says and he says, you're free,

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and he says, don't you see
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what trick is this? And she, you know, argues back and

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forth, and he said, no, no, you don't understand. He

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goes, I bought you to set
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when it finally all sank in,
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Then he unchanged her and he says
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and then he starts to go back
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you know, all his livelihood,
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come to find out, she runs
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where you go, I will go. I will serve you the rest

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of my life because you bought me
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that's what Jesus did, right,
that's the whole role of a Redemand I'm

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just a baby buddy. No,
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The role of a redeemer was there
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one was for slaves, and oftentimes
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go and they would work through their
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freedom. Slavery in that day was
different. You know, in America and

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in the West, we had chantel
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own a person for life, whereas
in this time, much of the slavery

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in the Middle East was more debt
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And there was a season. There
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years, or whatever, and then
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but family members could buy you out
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could. So always they were almost
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would be widows. Right. So
like in the Book of Ruth, for

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instance, there was no safety mechanism. They didn't have life insurance policies and

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you know all those kinds of things, and so family would have to care

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for family. The problem was a
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and then taken from her family and
her village and would be far far away,

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her husband would die, She's not
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it home. And so sometimes a
good gracious family member, often a brother

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or an uncle or somebody, would
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for that woman, right that person, and so it would be a kinsman

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redeemer. And in this instance here
this is what he's saying is and that

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man then would step in and say, I'm her provider and I'm her protector.

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So otherwise there's no other options.
She's going to be working the streets,

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right. She wanted to stay alive, and so the man would step

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in. It would cost him money, he'd have to put up, not

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quite what we would consider a dowry, but there would be this expectation something

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very similar, which would then be
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of her. And he would say, I'm gonna protect her. I'm going

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to provide for her. And this
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are kind of bullying on him,
and he said, man, I need

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God to step in and protect me. He's the only one that can provide

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for me. And he's the one
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redeemer, the one who buys me
right. And then he says, and

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then I know this, whether I
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I'm going to see God with these
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while he didn't understand what was happening
his life, and I think a lot

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of times things happen in our lives
we don't understand them. We can't have

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confidence like job that God is good
and we're going to see him with her

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own eyes. And he ends it
with and I'm overwhelmed at the thought,

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just the idea of heaven, the
idea that even though we're sinners. You

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know, the book of Hagi has
that same story, right, Hagui was

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a prophet. God tells Hagi,
go marry this prostitute. I go,

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oh, I'm a man of God. I can't. He said, No,

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God says, go do it.
So he does. And then she

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after he marries her, she cleans
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then after time she goes back starts
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and he goes and gets her and
brings her back, and she leaves and

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she runs away again. And then
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he sees her being sold, and
the Bible says he stepped up and bid

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on her, and he bought her
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and brought her back into the home
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her another chance. And this is
the idea of that redeemer that he's talking

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about here. And I think in
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all of his problems, this might
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writes or says in all of this, as he's looking forward to the fact

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that God will provide. Jesus paid
the price for you and me. Yeah,

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well that's that's what's so great about
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other side of the cross. We
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knowing that job was looking forward to
the cross. Right, So this is

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in the Bible that says, I
know that my redeemer lives capital are so

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in either case, you know,
God, God, you know, absorbs

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or takes away or you know our
sin and uh. But but when we

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look at it, we know that
Jesus Christ, the price that he paid

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for us was that God loved us
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into the world. And Jesus died
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for our sins. And so we
have a debt that we could not pay

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and uh, and it's literally impossible
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we need someone to take care of
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Jesus comes in and and pays the
price. You know, when when I

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was when I was in the youth
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kid back then, we used to
sing like little choruses. And then do

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you ever see this one he goes
he paid a debt. He did not.

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Oh o, a debt I could
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rush my sins away. Okay,
So anyway, so yeah, that's that's

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what it is. So he's so
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uh, yeah, it's a beautiful
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in spite of all of these things, he has paid the price for us.

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So you know, whenever we talk
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love Andy Stanley how he always says. I've heard him say it like three

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times at leadership conferences. He said, fairness ended in the garden. Fairness

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ended in the garden of Eden.
Doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. And

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God is always incredibly unfair to our
favor. But but when it comes to,

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you know, thinking about hardships that
we go through, you know,

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our lot in life, living under
a broken and messed up world, you

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know, we try to say,
oh, this isn't fair and look what

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they have and why do I have
to go through this? And again those

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are those are legitimate feelings, those
are legitimate things. Depending on what we're

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you know, upset about. We
could always go back and say, but

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guess what you get. Heaven and
Jesus paid the price for you. He

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died and across for you because he
loves you that much. I know that

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my Redeemer lies. We can always
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trial. That's it. That's the
answer, I said, God, Remember

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he lives. That's right. Hey, Well, listen. That is our

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time, so hopefully we will see
you next time on the Bible. Guys. H