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I'm Caitlin Madison.

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Welcome to chapter 32.

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We will be talking about All My Rage today
by, I believe you pronounce it, Saba

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Tahir.

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And our catch up today, we kind of already
talking about a little bit before we hit

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record.

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And honestly, we're watching really good
TV right now.

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And like that's what we want to catch up
with each other about.

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So that's what we're gonna do.

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So what are people watching?

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I just started last night and I'm already
upset that I haven't finished yet.

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It's called Dancing with the Devil.

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It's this documentary that seems to be, I
hesitate to say viral.

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Like it's showing up in a lot of places.

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Steph just shared with us.

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came out of the disco.

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It's not just German, it's the People
magazine, or whatever.

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We're going to check it out.

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It's about this cult called 7M.

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7M mainly.

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7M is a media company associated with the
cult.

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Okay, Shekinah Church, Shekinah Church,
slash seven slash seven management.

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The reason why I'm so interested in it is
because the first episode that I watched

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focused mostly on dancers who became part
of this group.

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We haven't really talked about this, I
don't think before on the pod, but I used

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to be a die hard watcher of So You Think
You Can Dance.

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Those people are like celebrities to me.

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I also watched World of Dance, which was
the JLo judged show.

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I just love that kind of, I get J .Lo in
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performance.

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So I recognized some of these people.

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And I just had no idea that they were
participating in this group or that they

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were impacted by this at all.

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I watched part one, there are three parts,
but all I want to do as soon as we finish

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this recording is watch the next two
episodes and I've been screenshotting

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other people's commentary to read when I
finally finish.

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You and I both loved the show Dear White
People.

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Have you seen the person who was on that
show who's a side character in this

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documentary?

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I don't want I so I know nothing about
this I literally have just seen it as like

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a thumbnail on Netflix But Steph and Molly
are really into it.

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So clearly I'm gonna cue it up for my next
show Please tell me like twitch was not a

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part of this

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not mentioned in any way.

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The people who are part of it, I don't
think like the Joe average person would

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recognize them.

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I think it's only for people who are left
now and he played Simon in...

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my god Nicholas Galatine and Hathaway
thank you my brain's not working from

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August Moon he's in it

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I don't even really know what it means to
be in it.

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Like, I don't know, like, if you were in
a, is everybody, was everybody in the cult

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in the show?

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essentially when you join the Shekinah
Church, I don't want to like give stuff

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away, but basically a lot of dancers
happen to join.

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He becomes their manager.

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He gets them gigs and then he takes 75, 80
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his properties.

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boy.

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This feels kind of Playboy Mansion Tiger
King -ish.

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So Tiger King.

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was gonna say that to me is the part that

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was so reminiscent of many of the other
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and a bunch of others.

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It's the separation from the family and
the use of religion as a reason why you

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need to isolate yourself and focus only on
the other people who are enlightened or

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whatever verb they decide to use.

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And there was one specific dancer who they
profiled in the first hour who was talking

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about how they even wanted him to stop
talking to his three -year -old son.

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And we'll take one of them, that was just
like, my god.

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So I can't wait to watch parts two and
three.

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I also like that it's only three hours
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I feel like sometimes you go to watch
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and it's an entire weekend endeavor.

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I like that this is like almost like a
mini series.

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Or the next one, which was two seasons,
and it's just depressing.

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Would you like to keep that to me?

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And I'm coming back, don't you get over
this, this crazy disaster here?

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And I was thinking, I love the comics and
Pimper, why?

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And I was thinking, like, we need all of
you guys?

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though.

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to a podcast about it before it became a
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I don't even think I watched the second
season, because I like keep up with it on

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the new, but I keep up with it on the new,
like I know what's happening.

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I know, but I feel like we got more
backstory than we got on the first one.

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And in the meantime, you're following the
court case as it's going along.

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I just think it's for wrapping up the full
arc you need to watch season two.

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Speaking of cults, there's a podcast
called Sounds Like a Cult and my coworker

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just suggested it to me based on some
weird conversation we were having.

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I don't remember what.

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But that segues really nicely to I am like
in the throes of the end of school.

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I have like two classes left with my
students.

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I finished my break for today.

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I was like writing my narrative about
kids.

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And I put that in the check and keep at
the end of the year too.

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Like I can't stand it.

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Like you're so stressed about like
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your crap.

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And then also you're like saying, why did
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day?

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And I can't even imagine.

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I can't imagine.

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because I haven't done it since 2020.

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Do you mean like, emotionally?

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Yes, I'm terrible at it.

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Like, such a sappy sentiment.

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Like, crap.

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Like, I'm gonna do it.

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I'm gonna do it.

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I'm Well, she's one of those old people.

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not good at it, full stop.

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But then in addition to that, I'm out of
practice.

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And then on top of that, I'm also leaving
my school.

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And I can't imagine a scenario in which
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kids because they live everywhere.

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Whereas when I was teaching in Natick, I
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I do stuff in Natick.

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Like I have friends that live there.

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I've gone to like

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basketball games with my former students,
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bumped into we bumped into one of your
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time you remember?

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Yes, yes.

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And I had a sister too.

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Yeah, that's so true.

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His sister is a faculty of the class of
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So I'm terrible at it and I'm out of
practice and it's just like, and then I

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also have another job while I'm doing it.

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So I feel like I don't even have like time
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And then there's like the agony of like
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know,

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years now.

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I'm in contact with it.

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It's like, you feel it.

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I'm in it.

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I'm in it.

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I'm in it.

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I'm in it.

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I'm in in it.

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I'm I'm in it.

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it.

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it.

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I'm I'm

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instantly gonna put on the checklist and
now I'm like, it's all one.

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I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm, I'm
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physically excited about it.

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and.

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And, but then I'm like, I think I have to
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I'm trying to encourage people to not be
afraid about it.

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You know what I mean?

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I'm just sitting here, I'm just talking to
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I'm just reading this book, I'm just
chatting with the teacher.

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My friend is in the top, because I, I'm
just.

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it probably is in like the traditional way
like I still tutor and stuff

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but if everyone's talking about the future
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face and care about them and talking about
what's going on, talking about getting

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along with them and how to address them,
you know, trajectory, student -led, you

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talk about the future, you talk about the
future, you future, you future, you

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there are teachers...

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who truly, truly care and you were one of
those teachers.

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And I just, I refuse to believe that this
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just a matter of time to find a place
that's a good fit and doesn't turn into a

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stressful one.

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Like I said, right now, if I was back in
junior public school, we would not be a

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side out.

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So obviously, I can tell you what those
sections are.

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You see them, you know, they're like,
they're a great fit.

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They were like, I'm a side out.

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They were like, I'm a side out.

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When I started getting into skiing, I was
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just completely behind.

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I'd be days behind for weeks to come
because I went skiing and did something

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with my life.

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So I'm just wondering if there's something
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mind.

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too.

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Okay, two things.

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First of all, Steph almost just cried
saying all that stuff to you about how she

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thinks that you're not done being a
teacher.

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You guys can't see her, but there was
welling going on.

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Second of all, I also think this isn't the
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I just feel like this is your calling.

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This is what you're meant to do.

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And even if it didn't work out for this
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wanted or hoped, like a door closes and a
window opens, I just, I feel like there's

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gonna be something else.

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I don't know what it is.

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And I'm kind of like, okay with that.

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Like I'm very much excited about.

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a 3D movie.

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One more to view.

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One more to see.

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I mean that is a bit something I still
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I think I'm going to again.

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I'm going to have this again.

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I'm to do this again.

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I'm I'm I'm going to

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arrange that perhaps over Zoom or webinar
so that you can feel the joy of her

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talking about books in an academic
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won't drink on that job, I promise.

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As I slurp wine, Steph did not pour me in.

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I was like, actually, that's not enough.

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I had to go back for more.

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But to get, I don't know how I got off on
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I don't know where that, how I got steered
to that from television, but back to

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television, I'm watching.

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Obviously, I'm in my feelings, so I'm
having a school -based show, because this

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is who I am, and school is my aesthetic
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So two things.

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One, at the end of every year, I

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show some episodes of the Wonder Years
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theme.

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in sixth grade English.

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A little bit of sixth grade English, but
really sixth grade English, which is where

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I spent most of my time.

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And so I posted a photo yesterday of the
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And I was like, me too.

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I'm like, this is a princess ride.

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And I was like, great.

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She's a little bit of a longer period.

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And I was like, no, this is a little bit
too large.

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And I was like, I'm gonna call it.

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So today I played the pilot for them.

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And...

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I'm not kidding, I tweeted about this
today.

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I'm not kidding.

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In year 2014, 12 of us, within 28 minutes,
are so invested in Jenningsville, who

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lives in the old house in 1968.

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We just want to show you how we pilot for
those first two years of our practice now.

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just three minutes, talking about Black
Lives Matter.

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like all the historical events starting
with 1619 that have like led to that being

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a movement.

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so it's the beginning of one year.

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It's true.

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And we're finished here.

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So we're going to continue to drive.

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things across that 10 ,000 -year -long
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And it showed that it didn't block out the
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got their

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gold as a sailor and all this stuff.

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And I'm like, my god, you know, I'm a
holiday.

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And so they're like, how do you see this?

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What's happening?

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Where can I go?

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What can I do?

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So I'm just going to sit in my car and
watch the second episode and I'm like, I'm

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going to go to my friend's house.

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season last night and I'm going to ruin it
for everybody because I'm 12.

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So that's going on in my work life.

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And then,

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add in my paper like watching the class.

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Which they're also calling it the free
service, which is not a free service.

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That's what they decided to call it, it's
a free service.

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And it's not a wrap.

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Steph is very much into it.

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It is a good place to be a grid.

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The first term is under the show.

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a girl with a sign saying that she hangs
up outside of her high school that says,

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beware, there's a rapist in there.

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And then it kind of expands backwards in
time, and the box leading to it.

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to that big accident.

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And so there have been moments where I'm
like, hey, this has a couple of odds

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they're totally wrong.

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but the storylines are so much richer and
like the acting is so much better and...

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I just want it to be way more realistic
and raw.

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It's like 30 reasons why I think it's
important to story the truth is how it's

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done and how it's done.

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And it's part of the experience of the
threat in terms of just like high school

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seniors, high school seniors in the United
States, you know, when you're in super

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great clubs.

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and...

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they have like kind of these like rich
social lives that...

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price was kind of strong to have.

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So it's just kind of like a different kind
of new philosophy for these people.

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too in Spain, and actually I was talking
to my friend about it, she was telling me

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it's really that it's beyond me too.

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It's like having a violence towards women.

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It's not just about rape, apparently.

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There's, you know, there's...

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a whole movement around.

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you know, with missing, with murder, you
know, like spousal and murder abuse, like

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all sorts of things.

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And so, it's just really, it's very hard
to describe, and it's really what I

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thought.

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And they really show the dynamics of the
girl and her family.

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And that's not like an easy situation.

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Like she's kind of all over the place and
they don't really know like how to

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reprimand her without.

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play together.

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I mean, she's kind of on the other end of
the table, like no one else.

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ground her.

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then have things get worse because how
could they possibly get worse?

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So I just feel like there's a lot of
really good dynamics in there.

294
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And the female friendships are like fierce
in this show.

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I'm like really into that.

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And I really like that they're focusing
more on that than like who these girls are

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dating necessarily.

298
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It's awesome.

299
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Steph, what are you watching?

300
00:15:41,959 --> 00:15:45,599
Well, I didn't watch anything yesterday
because I was working on a top secret

301
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project that we will discuss at a later
date.

302
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But yesterday I spent the day painting a
friend's house.

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She knew that I wasn't in the middle of a
renovation project at the moment and that

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I could use some distractions.

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So I was painting her upstairs.

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And then today we went back to the
renovation house, my father and I, to just

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go over everything.

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And I turned all the thermostats on.

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So if the next inspector comes through and
is also an idiot, that's already fixed.

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But then there was this one moment, and it
was a couple of months later, of a video,

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and he said, is that on the internet?

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And he was like, yeah, great, that's so
funny.

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Here it was.

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a cat.

315
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First of all, I thought you put a human
ear, and I was getting very afraid.

316
00:16:36,094 --> 00:16:37,454
Noah bunny ear.

317
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A black and white cat was brought to my
dad who was working outside a bunny that

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it was destroying and then left pieces of
it around the house.

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And I was just sort of dry heaving in the
corner and he had to move it out of the

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way.

321
00:16:55,304 --> 00:16:57,874
So you know you're in the woods when.

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There have been a lot of small furry
animals involved in this particular

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renovation.

324
00:17:03,516 --> 00:17:10,574
Stop buying houses in the woods if you
don't want to deal with the consequences.

325
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grew up in the woods.

326
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This is the weirdest thing.

327
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As we have said many times, I'm 40, almost
41.

328
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I grew up in the woods.

329
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I lived in a town where I could see one
neighbor.

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And one of the weeks my dad was away, I
was at the house every day or every other

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day.

332
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And I came home with ticks three days in a
row.

333
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I lived in the woods my entire life.

334
00:17:32,074 --> 00:17:34,960
And now suddenly I'm like, I can't do it
anymore.

335
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,940
Well, you have to wear hats and you have
to like pull socks over your jeans.

336
00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:42,320
Yeah.

337
00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:42,780
Yeah.

338
00:17:42,780 --> 00:17:43,080
Yeah.

339
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:43,580
Yeah.

340
00:17:43,580 --> 00:17:45,240
Well, the earth is exploding.

341
00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,360
So it's just hot all the time now.

342
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And I think that the bugs probably, I
don't really understand ecosystems, but I

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would imagine that bugs are flourishing
with warmer weather being around longer.

344
00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,509
I have no proof for that, but I mean, if
there's flamingos on the Cape.

345
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a different location for the whole thing.

346
00:18:07,709 --> 00:18:12,149
I'm going to be able to find a place on my
farm.

347
00:18:12,149 --> 00:18:17,529
Two important things are I have to use the
water on the light route to clear it off.

348
00:18:17,809 --> 00:18:22,299
When I'm in the park, I need to go home
and work.

349
00:18:22,299 --> 00:18:23,800
It's really bad.

350
00:18:24,876 --> 00:18:26,796
The pollen situation is unreal.

351
00:18:26,796 --> 00:18:30,076
This is the second episode in a row you
guys are listening to my voice like this.

352
00:18:30,076 --> 00:18:32,556
I was joking when we did our sound check
earlier.

353
00:18:32,556 --> 00:18:35,896
I did a little intro where I said, welcome
to Blinzerbuck with the congestion queen.

354
00:18:35,896 --> 00:18:38,932
The pollen situation is vile.

355
00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:44,640
definitely got slammed because you were
like traveling and then you came back and

356
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,970
it had just escalated.

357
00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:52,340
Whereas this has been like a slow burn for
me where like every other day it looks

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like I've been crying when I get to work
because my eyes are just like watering the

359
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whole time I'm in the car and it doesn't
happen until I leave my house.

360
00:19:01,922 --> 00:19:16,622
You basically need like indoor floor
hockey goggles from the moment you leave

361
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your house until you get in your car

362
00:19:18,744 --> 00:19:21,652
we need hazmat suits to be walking around?

363
00:19:21,652 --> 00:19:22,182
foul.

364
00:19:22,182 --> 00:19:24,212
It's so bad.

365
00:19:24,332 --> 00:19:31,072
But okay, but yeah, something.

366
00:19:31,330 --> 00:19:34,850
I just realized I have one more update.

367
00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:37,928
Last night I sent out my first query
letter.

368
00:19:37,928 --> 00:19:39,668
Yes.

369
00:19:39,848 --> 00:19:40,408
Wow.

370
00:19:40,408 --> 00:19:42,328
We're to bury the lead.

371
00:19:42,508 --> 00:19:43,910
Awesome.

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00:19:43,910 --> 00:19:47,610
not, obviously it's not gonna happen on
the first query.

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00:19:47,610 --> 00:19:52,850
I mean, come on, let's, well, trying to be
realistic, low expectations going into

374
00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:55,990
this, like bottom of the barrel
expectations, maybe even like basement

375
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:57,460
level expectations at this point.

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00:19:57,460 --> 00:20:00,880
But I sent out the first one and I feel
good about it.

377
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,370
Sort of like, you know, breaking the, I
don't break spines on my books, but

378
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essentially.

379
00:20:05,610 --> 00:20:07,308
Yeah.

380
00:20:07,308 --> 00:20:12,728
the question is, did you start with like
your number one dream target or someone

381
00:20:12,728 --> 00:20:13,898
further down the list?

382
00:20:13,898 --> 00:20:18,358
like terrified to say that because what if
I get an agent one day and then they

383
00:20:18,358 --> 00:20:19,912
listen to this and then they're like...

384
00:20:19,912 --> 00:20:22,972
Can you just show us a number with your
hands?

385
00:20:24,712 --> 00:20:25,272
Okay.

386
00:20:25,272 --> 00:20:26,432
All right.

387
00:20:26,691 --> 00:20:31,512
That is not what I would have guessed.

388
00:20:31,512 --> 00:20:33,192
Just throwing that out there.

389
00:20:33,192 --> 00:20:33,892
I'm fascinated.

390
00:20:33,892 --> 00:20:38,072
I'm just fascinated by the whole thing
because I'm going to be really honest.

391
00:20:38,072 --> 00:20:41,172
There are some really bogus people out
there that get book deals.

392
00:20:41,172 --> 00:20:42,482
Like there just are.

393
00:20:42,482 --> 00:20:50,040
And I just need the universe to just throw
a bone to the right people.

394
00:20:50,146 --> 00:20:54,046
And I think this needs to be said, we have
plans that are going to help the industry.

395
00:20:54,046 --> 00:20:56,006
And to be there too.

396
00:20:56,086 --> 00:20:59,746
Because we're really, really convinced
that like, we've been on the edge of a

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body of a drug.

398
00:21:00,606 --> 00:21:02,026
At least not badly.

399
00:21:02,026 --> 00:21:05,224
There's so many of these small stories
that are happening.

400
00:21:05,224 --> 00:21:10,004
taken advantage of because we need to like
have Iron Man be alive for the eighth time

401
00:21:10,004 --> 00:21:10,704
or whatever.

402
00:21:10,704 --> 00:21:11,734
Like I'm done.

403
00:21:11,734 --> 00:21:12,736
I'm done.

404
00:21:12,790 --> 00:21:14,780
isn't there like rumors of them remaking
Twilight?

405
00:21:14,780 --> 00:21:15,948
Like, didn't I hear that?

406
00:21:15,948 --> 00:21:18,708
Okay, first of all, that should not
happen.

407
00:21:18,708 --> 00:21:20,288
Original Team Jacob forever.

408
00:21:20,288 --> 00:21:24,008
But second of all, yes, I agree with
everything Caitlin just said.

409
00:21:24,008 --> 00:21:30,728
And I have often read a book and said to
Steph, I just finished this book and

410
00:21:30,728 --> 00:21:33,198
everything that you have written is better
than this book.

411
00:21:33,198 --> 00:21:35,940
I feel that way like multiple times per
year.

412
00:21:36,564 --> 00:21:37,264
it's true.

413
00:21:37,264 --> 00:21:39,264
I feel that way too.

414
00:21:40,364 --> 00:21:41,584
I don't know.

415
00:21:41,584 --> 00:21:50,704
I just feel like this is one, you're due
and two, it just feels like the right

416
00:21:50,704 --> 00:21:51,224
time.

417
00:21:51,224 --> 00:21:52,854
I feel like the timing is right.

418
00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:55,304
Like the pod is 32 episodes deep.

419
00:21:55,304 --> 00:21:56,254
Like you're due.

420
00:21:56,254 --> 00:21:58,584
You've got another side gig that has to do
with the pod.

421
00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:01,128
It's like pod adjacent and like,

422
00:22:01,128 --> 00:22:06,088
we're like we're making moves we're doing
things it just feels like this is like the

423
00:22:06,088 --> 00:22:10,206
moment that it's like yep and then stuff
got her book deal obviously duh

424
00:22:10,206 --> 00:22:14,286
Well, full disclosure to people who are
listening and not sitting at this table.

425
00:22:14,286 --> 00:22:18,776
I texted the girls that I feel like I'm on
the edge of a panic attack.

426
00:22:18,776 --> 00:22:20,576
I mean, I haven't had one in about a year
now.

427
00:22:20,576 --> 00:22:24,306
I don't know if you remember, but it was
about a year ago that I reorganized the

428
00:22:24,306 --> 00:22:25,406
living room.

429
00:22:25,566 --> 00:22:28,966
Poor Nemo sat on the couch like, well,
this is what's happening.

430
00:22:29,186 --> 00:22:34,686
So I just feel like I think I have karma
built up from like stuff that has happened

431
00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:37,814
over the last couple of years where it
feels like...

432
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:42,494
The new stuff is culminating in the right
costume on the edge.

433
00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:43,894
edge of a win.

434
00:22:43,934 --> 00:22:45,424
What just happened?

435
00:22:45,424 --> 00:22:49,854
have something funny to tell you that has
to do with this, but I had to look it up.

436
00:22:49,854 --> 00:22:52,624
This is like totally pertinent to what
you're saying.

437
00:22:52,624 --> 00:22:56,244
So I sent this tweet to my friend earlier
today and I was like, this just hit my

438
00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:57,464
funny bone.

439
00:22:57,504 --> 00:23:01,164
And it says, excuse me while I slip into
something more off a cliff.

440
00:23:01,164 --> 00:23:07,464
And I just, I sent it to my friend and she
was like, I really needed this.

441
00:23:07,464 --> 00:23:10,524
And I was like, it just really struck me
in a funny way.

442
00:23:10,524 --> 00:23:11,136
Like.

443
00:23:11,144 --> 00:23:14,684
Yeah, the pajamas and the cozy clothes,
like it's not even enough.

444
00:23:14,684 --> 00:23:17,984
We need like the next level of whatever it
is.

445
00:23:19,628 --> 00:23:25,388
Yeah, there's a card that I saw in a store
that Stephanie frequent.

446
00:23:25,648 --> 00:23:27,588
And it was so good that I bought five of
them.

447
00:23:27,588 --> 00:23:32,308
It was a woman dressed like a fifties
housewife holding one of those like silver

448
00:23:32,308 --> 00:23:34,828
cloches that you like deliver food on.

449
00:23:34,948 --> 00:23:38,828
So she's lifting the cloche and its flames
are coming out of it.

450
00:23:38,828 --> 00:23:43,308
And it just says on the bottom of the card
in small print, life period, totally under

451
00:23:43,308 --> 00:23:44,408
control period.

452
00:23:44,408 --> 00:23:47,140
And I just feel like that is the vibe
lately.

453
00:23:47,952 --> 00:23:52,512
have a magnet like that of like a 1950s
housewife with like her hair bonded on and

454
00:23:52,512 --> 00:23:56,572
she's like tucked into her bed and the
caption is I love not camping.

455
00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:01,420
we bought that tote bag, the exact one
that you're describing.

456
00:24:01,988 --> 00:24:02,598
amazing.

457
00:24:02,598 --> 00:24:03,888
I mean, I'd glamp.

458
00:24:03,888 --> 00:24:06,088
And it's not to say that I haven't been
camping.

459
00:24:06,088 --> 00:24:08,208
I've gone three times.

460
00:24:08,208 --> 00:24:09,968
I hated it every single time.

461
00:24:09,968 --> 00:24:14,118
I'm so allergic to mosquitoes that it's
just like a really bad scene for me.

462
00:24:14,118 --> 00:24:16,340
And I'll never do it again.

463
00:24:16,494 --> 00:24:17,812
I also kind of said.

464
00:24:17,812 --> 00:24:23,532
of napkins, I think, or baby cups that say
I'm outdoorsy in the sense that I like to

465
00:24:23,532 --> 00:24:25,612
get drunk on patios.

466
00:24:26,872 --> 00:24:28,472
Yeah.

467
00:24:29,742 --> 00:24:33,742
That just made me think, did we have any
bug issues when we were in Wyoming last

468
00:24:33,742 --> 00:24:34,702
summer?

469
00:24:34,722 --> 00:24:36,502
I don't think so, right?

470
00:24:36,502 --> 00:24:37,822
It's pretty dry out there.

471
00:24:37,822 --> 00:24:39,092
It's very arid.

472
00:24:39,092 --> 00:24:42,972
If we did, I would have remembered and I
probably never would have stopped talking

473
00:24:42,972 --> 00:24:44,032
about it.

474
00:24:44,772 --> 00:24:48,992
I also travel everywhere with Benadryl
anti -age cream because once a bug bite

475
00:24:48,992 --> 00:24:52,196
has ruined a vacation, you never forget
what that feels like.

476
00:24:53,184 --> 00:24:58,244
Yeah, and I carry Benadryl all the time
because I'm allergic to random types of

477
00:24:58,244 --> 00:24:58,864
nuts.

478
00:24:58,864 --> 00:24:59,520
So.

479
00:24:59,756 --> 00:25:03,416
I also just want to say one more thing
before we transition into our book of the

480
00:25:03,416 --> 00:25:04,436
day.

481
00:25:05,016 --> 00:25:08,796
Yesterday, I finally cut the cord.

482
00:25:08,896 --> 00:25:10,716
I gave up my cable.

483
00:25:11,135 --> 00:25:18,356
After 11 years in my house in Watertown of
paying for cable plus all the streaming

484
00:25:18,356 --> 00:25:19,316
apps.

485
00:25:19,928 --> 00:25:21,528
to the dark side.

486
00:25:21,528 --> 00:25:27,208
gave up my cable this morning I drove to
drop off all my equipment and it was just

487
00:25:27,208 --> 00:25:34,838
so satisfying because my bill is gonna be
lowered by two thirds two thirds people

488
00:25:34,838 --> 00:25:39,338
feel like it's the same sort of feeling
when you end like a relationship that did

489
00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:42,838
not serve you and you're just like, why
did I waste time with that person for so

490
00:25:42,838 --> 00:25:43,344
long?

491
00:25:43,344 --> 00:25:46,444
went in a different direction because I
was going to say like when your car

492
00:25:46,444 --> 00:25:50,384
payments are over and stuff like when you
have a really bad breakup and I'm like car

493
00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:51,322
payments.

494
00:25:51,388 --> 00:25:55,628
the honest truth, and I've said this to
many people who are like, I can't believe

495
00:25:55,628 --> 00:25:59,028
you're still paying for this or I can't
believe like, there were two reasons that

496
00:25:59,028 --> 00:26:00,518
I kept it for as long as I did.

497
00:26:00,518 --> 00:26:04,968
One, the primary things that I watch every
single week on Bravo TV.

498
00:26:04,968 --> 00:26:10,768
When you are a Bravo fan, there is a whole
social media culture about live updating

499
00:26:10,768 --> 00:26:12,308
and sharing recaps afterward.

500
00:26:12,308 --> 00:26:15,848
And it's one of those things where if you
are in a situation where you have to wait

501
00:26:15,848 --> 00:26:18,604
24 hours to watch it, you kind of have to
avoid your

502
00:26:18,604 --> 00:26:21,244
phone if you don't want to know what's
happening with the Housewives or Top Chef

503
00:26:21,244 --> 00:26:22,864
or Southern Charm or whatever.

504
00:26:22,864 --> 00:26:26,104
So I was like, I'd rather just watch it
live and be able to like participate in

505
00:26:26,104 --> 00:26:27,184
all of this fandom.

506
00:26:27,184 --> 00:26:28,644
That was the first reason.

507
00:26:28,644 --> 00:26:32,904
The second reason is that all of us have
always come to my house together to watch

508
00:26:32,904 --> 00:26:37,264
all of the award shows, the Emmys, the
Oscars, sometimes the Grammys, the SAG

509
00:26:37,264 --> 00:26:38,154
Awards, whatever it is.

510
00:26:38,154 --> 00:26:41,544
And I loved that we were able to watch
live and watch the red carpet and watch

511
00:26:41,544 --> 00:26:42,784
the awards we handed out.

512
00:26:42,784 --> 00:26:46,720
We have until September when the Emmys air
to figure out what we're going to do.

513
00:26:46,956 --> 00:26:49,636
But I also wasn't saying on Netflix this
year.

514
00:26:49,716 --> 00:26:50,412
Yes.

515
00:26:50,412 --> 00:26:55,192
SAG Awards are on Netflix and also of
course I could punch up like my Hulu for

516
00:26:55,192 --> 00:26:57,390
you know 24 hours so we get

517
00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:58,460
have YouTube TV.

518
00:26:58,460 --> 00:27:00,428
I could just log into your TV.

519
00:27:00,428 --> 00:27:04,038
Also that, but for a long time, those were
the two drivers.

520
00:27:04,038 --> 00:27:07,148
I wanted to be part of the Bravo fandom
and be able to see stuff in real time.

521
00:27:07,148 --> 00:27:11,048
And then this award show situation, but
damn, it felt really good to just hand all

522
00:27:11,048 --> 00:27:12,168
that hardware over.

523
00:27:12,168 --> 00:27:16,108
Also like my living room looks nicer
because the giant TiVo box is not there

524
00:27:16,108 --> 00:27:16,884
anymore.

525
00:27:17,712 --> 00:27:24,532
will say so usually I have had YouTube TV
since it was beta Because my brother got a

526
00:27:24,532 --> 00:27:25,112
code or something.

527
00:27:25,112 --> 00:27:28,592
I don't really know same thing for gmail
He gave me a code for gmail back in the

528
00:27:28,592 --> 00:27:29,122
day tail.

529
00:27:29,122 --> 00:27:36,972
What a nerd he is anyway, so We've had
YouTube TV This is my third or fourth

530
00:27:36,972 --> 00:27:40,416
living situation where we've had it and I

531
00:27:40,424 --> 00:27:44,404
I'm one of those people that cancels and
then re -ups.

532
00:27:44,404 --> 00:27:49,324
And so I usually cancel it in the summer
because Nesson and YouTube TV cannot come

533
00:27:49,324 --> 00:27:49,994
to an agreement.

534
00:27:49,994 --> 00:27:52,064
And so I can't get Red Sox baseball.

535
00:27:52,064 --> 00:27:59,984
And I, unlike Molly Bravo, Galar over
here, I have live TV for sports.

536
00:27:59,984 --> 00:28:01,864
Like that's the only reason why I have it.

537
00:28:01,864 --> 00:28:04,298
That's the only thing I watch live on TV.

538
00:28:04,298 --> 00:28:08,738
And so since I couldn't do the Red Sox,
they basically want to sell it to a

539
00:28:08,738 --> 00:28:09,438
private play out.

540
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:10,938
So I just cancel my time.

541
00:28:10,938 --> 00:28:14,540
But this year, and Molly, I can't think
about what you want to do.

542
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:17,240
this, we have to do our best.

543
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,060
That's a really important point to make.

544
00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:20,916
I think it's really important to do it
there.

545
00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:21,446
you go.

546
00:28:21,446 --> 00:28:23,184
Okay, so maybe that's what you do.

547
00:28:23,184 --> 00:28:28,564
started watching the, I think it's US
national gymnastics championships over the

548
00:28:28,564 --> 00:28:34,444
weekend with Simone and also this like
devastatingly handsome guy who won the

549
00:28:34,444 --> 00:28:36,264
men's all around.

550
00:28:37,123 --> 00:28:40,204
I think his name is Brody Malone.

551
00:28:40,684 --> 00:28:41,804
I think.

552
00:28:45,844 --> 00:28:50,476
Yeah, anyway, I was watching it and I was
thinking to myself, shoot.

553
00:28:50,476 --> 00:28:52,416
that I cancel this tomorrow.

554
00:28:52,416 --> 00:28:54,536
How am I going to watch the Olympics?

555
00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:59,136
Yeah, that's true.

556
00:28:59,136 --> 00:29:01,156
Steph is a big Olympics person.

557
00:29:01,534 --> 00:29:03,104
And they're happening in Paris.

558
00:29:03,104 --> 00:29:06,454
So it's going to be what, six hours ahead
of us.

559
00:29:06,454 --> 00:29:09,454
This is what I did the last couple of
Olympics is for those.

560
00:29:09,454 --> 00:29:13,874
I think it's ends up being a month that
you're paying, but you up to, I think it's

561
00:29:13,874 --> 00:29:15,324
like $64 a month.

562
00:29:15,324 --> 00:29:21,154
Hulu will give you all the live channels,
but it depends what channel the Olympics

563
00:29:21,154 --> 00:29:23,814
is going to be on because I already pay
for Peacock.

564
00:29:23,814 --> 00:29:25,068
So maybe.

565
00:29:25,068 --> 00:29:25,318
six.

566
00:29:25,318 --> 00:29:26,068
Yeah.

567
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:27,080
Yeah.

568
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,100
Also in watching the gymnastics, I was
reminded, first of all, the Olympics are

569
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,460
amazing just because the display of
athleticism is like unreal, but I was

570
00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:38,960
reminded how it's like the families that
always get me.

571
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:42,200
Yes.

572
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:43,120
Yes.

573
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,108
So that's like.

574
00:29:44,108 --> 00:29:49,068
long camera lingering on Simone Biles'
entire family while she was doing her

575
00:29:49,068 --> 00:29:49,968
final floor routine.

576
00:29:49,968 --> 00:29:51,888
I was like, this is what I'm here for.

577
00:29:51,888 --> 00:29:58,168
I just want all the family drama, all the
backstories, all the like raised by the

578
00:29:58,168 --> 00:29:59,848
grandparents, like everything.

579
00:29:59,848 --> 00:30:01,088
I just want to know it all.

580
00:30:01,088 --> 00:30:05,148
I want to know all the people who like had
a child and then came back to qualify for

581
00:30:05,148 --> 00:30:05,688
the Olympics.

582
00:30:05,688 --> 00:30:07,408
I just I love hearing everything.

583
00:30:07,408 --> 00:30:12,838
And also it's hard for me to choose if I
like summer or winter Olympics more.

584
00:30:21,804 --> 00:30:24,224
diving, beach volleyball.

585
00:30:24,224 --> 00:30:26,064
Summer is the winter mall.

586
00:30:26,064 --> 00:30:28,172
It's like, it's not even close, honestly.

587
00:30:28,172 --> 00:30:31,042
Yeah, there's just so many good sports.

588
00:30:31,042 --> 00:30:32,648
in the Winter Olympics and then

589
00:30:32,648 --> 00:30:33,502
Right,

590
00:30:33,575 --> 00:30:37,575
saw everything that you just said, Molly,
like all the stories and the drama and the

591
00:30:37,575 --> 00:30:39,175
whatnot, what have you.

592
00:30:39,175 --> 00:30:44,555
Can I introduce you to professional
fucking sports because it's the same

593
00:30:44,555 --> 00:30:45,795
thing.

594
00:30:45,855 --> 00:30:48,995
You get all the backstories, you get all
the drama.

595
00:30:48,995 --> 00:30:54,695
A lot of these people have, they're like,
they're like have eight baby mamas and

596
00:30:54,695 --> 00:30:58,435
like they got drafted when they were 18
and bought their mom's Hummers.

597
00:30:58,435 --> 00:30:59,495
Am I talking about LeBron?

598
00:30:59,495 --> 00:31:00,259
Yeah, I am.

599
00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:04,679
And so like there's all kinds of content
within a bunch of films.

600
00:31:04,679 --> 00:31:10,059
And you have to do massive amounts of
money so they can do a lot of the stuff

601
00:31:10,059 --> 00:31:11,859
that they want to do.

602
00:31:11,859 --> 00:31:19,079
And then as a kid you get like commercial
deals and they like, it just is so, so

603
00:31:19,239 --> 00:31:20,759
dramatically ridiculous.

604
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,179
And then I don't know, there's a flash of
the end -word on there and it's like a

605
00:31:24,179 --> 00:31:27,459
whole other kind of wild wild class.

606
00:31:27,659 --> 00:31:28,313
Which is like...

607
00:31:28,313 --> 00:31:30,593
why martial sports exists as a thing.

608
00:31:30,593 --> 00:31:33,593
It's like the gossip block for dudes.

609
00:31:33,593 --> 00:31:37,677
Because we tell them, I don't know, but we
tell them, that's what I want.

610
00:31:38,075 --> 00:31:39,215
So anyways.

611
00:31:39,411 --> 00:31:41,411
very strong argument.

612
00:31:41,651 --> 00:31:47,031
Part of the reason why the Olympics feels
different to me is it's a short period of

613
00:31:47,031 --> 00:31:48,111
time.

614
00:31:50,211 --> 00:31:53,211
If you want to commit to like a whole
baseball season, a whole basketball

615
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:57,131
season, like for example, professional
football, I could get behind short season.

616
00:31:57,131 --> 00:32:01,871
is so like when your team does well, it's
like you've been in the trenches.

617
00:32:03,671 --> 00:32:06,643
Crickets.

618
00:32:06,643 --> 00:32:07,693
take it under advisement.

619
00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:10,343
We'll see how I feel after the Paris
Olympics.

620
00:32:10,343 --> 00:32:15,143
And also I should have said basketball is
part of the summer Olympics also.

621
00:32:15,403 --> 00:32:20,983
So yeah, there's just, it's, what I mean
to say is there's a lot of crossover

622
00:32:20,983 --> 00:32:22,593
between U .S.

623
00:32:22,593 --> 00:32:25,963
professional athletes that people already
love and adore who will now play in the

624
00:32:25,963 --> 00:32:27,023
Olympics.

625
00:32:27,683 --> 00:32:32,003
And who maybe if I fall in love with some
of them, I'll begin to follow their sport

626
00:32:32,003 --> 00:32:32,643
upon their.

627
00:32:32,643 --> 00:32:34,493
Return to your seat.

628
00:32:36,383 --> 00:32:40,163
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely people to
like and root for 100%.

629
00:32:40,163 --> 00:32:45,063
I just am dazzled by the fact that you
guys have lived in Massachusetts your

630
00:32:45,063 --> 00:32:51,063
entire lives where we have some of the
most decorated professional sports teams

631
00:32:51,063 --> 00:32:55,535
like in the history of these leagues and
you're still like, well, okay,

632
00:32:56,028 --> 00:33:01,708
First of all, I should say I grew up with
a dad who watches every single sports game

633
00:33:01,708 --> 00:33:04,568
that there is, including all the college
games.

634
00:33:04,568 --> 00:33:06,588
So I was around it my whole life.

635
00:33:06,588 --> 00:33:08,588
My grandfather was obsessed with tennis.

636
00:33:08,588 --> 00:33:12,628
I watched so much tennis from like birth
until he passed when I was in my mid

637
00:33:12,628 --> 00:33:13,428
twenties.

638
00:33:13,428 --> 00:33:15,728
I think.

639
00:33:16,528 --> 00:33:18,686
I just don't have like a.

640
00:33:18,686 --> 00:33:24,306
the passion for those points of themselves
or as I can have the best of my civil

641
00:33:24,306 --> 00:33:28,726
rights and success in my objectivism under
some kind of team state.

642
00:33:28,726 --> 00:33:31,128
Make us a good model as a team that we can
challenge.

643
00:33:31,128 --> 00:33:34,128
professionals make the shots, but just
like he understands what it takes to

644
00:33:34,128 --> 00:33:37,068
complete a play like that or to set it up
like that or the hustle it takes or the

645
00:33:37,068 --> 00:33:41,128
speed of your running or the accuracy of
your shot, whatever it is.

646
00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:43,208
I have not an athletic bone in my body.

647
00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:47,088
I played soccer and basketball and
softball as a kid all the way until the

648
00:33:47,088 --> 00:33:47,368
eighth grade.

649
00:33:47,368 --> 00:33:48,388
I played all three sports.

650
00:33:48,388 --> 00:33:48,796
I was

651
00:33:48,796 --> 00:33:52,676
Horrendous when they would do like team
superlatives at the end of the season when

652
00:33:52,676 --> 00:33:56,976
we would like go to Papa Gino's I would
always get most improved That was my

653
00:33:56,976 --> 00:33:58,176
accolade.

654
00:33:58,176 --> 00:34:04,196
I'm just not Into it in the way that I
think true fans are where they really just

655
00:34:04,196 --> 00:34:09,156
feel like mega invested in what happens
and I also feel like you could fall in

656
00:34:09,156 --> 00:34:12,316
love with the player and then they get
traded and then it's like do you I

657
00:34:12,316 --> 00:34:15,336
remember my cousin date was like
devastated when Roger Clemens got traded

658
00:34:15,336 --> 00:34:18,176
to the Yankees and There's just stuff like
that.

659
00:34:18,176 --> 00:34:18,200
I

660
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,960
was like a double blow like he was leaving
and he was going to our sworn enemy.

661
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,300
Yes.

662
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,060
So I think.

663
00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:32,760
like, creating a universe of people that
you like want to follow and root for and

664
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,130
whatever, that's like Bravo to me.

665
00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:37,280
That's my like, that's my universe.

666
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:40,880
It's really very competitive.

667
00:34:42,168 --> 00:34:45,828
Yeah, it's a different kind of
competitive, but yes.

668
00:34:45,828 --> 00:34:47,368
All right, should we get into our book?

669
00:34:47,368 --> 00:34:49,008
Okay.

670
00:34:49,008 --> 00:34:53,968
So the book that we're doing is All My
Rage, which I mentioned earlier.

671
00:34:54,328 --> 00:35:02,228
And this book, I feel is pretty unique
because it is a young adult book and it

672
00:35:02,228 --> 00:35:06,788
won the Prince Award, which is like the
Newberry slash Caldecott for young adult

673
00:35:06,788 --> 00:35:08,528
books, teen books.

674
00:35:08,528 --> 00:35:12,472
Other winners include like John Green,
People of that Echelon.

675
00:35:12,774 --> 00:35:15,694
John Coyle, the other people have a couple
times.

676
00:35:16,474 --> 00:35:21,074
So, it's like a really prestigious own
work in WL here at Turf.

677
00:35:21,074 --> 00:35:24,712
But then, I'm telling you that, it's a
national book of work.

678
00:35:24,712 --> 00:35:27,852
which means that they thought that this
book was so good that they were like,

679
00:35:27,852 --> 00:35:33,812
let's put it in the regular adult category
also and give it that award as well.

680
00:35:33,812 --> 00:35:38,252
And I haven't looked it up, but I don't
know if there are any books.

681
00:35:38,252 --> 00:35:41,388
I'm wondering, I don't think the Faulkner
stars got both.

682
00:35:57,642 --> 00:36:01,682
that it won, but I feel like it's
comparable to...

683
00:36:03,086 --> 00:36:08,386
fire keeper's daughter in that way where
it can be relatable in both of those

684
00:36:08,386 --> 00:36:09,586
lanes.

685
00:36:09,688 --> 00:36:10,188
Totally.

686
00:36:10,188 --> 00:36:11,868
Did that one win the prince?

687
00:36:12,068 --> 00:36:13,638
I feel like it might have.

688
00:36:13,638 --> 00:36:15,568
Molly, can you look that up?

689
00:36:16,848 --> 00:36:23,168
So this book was assigned to me in a young
adult or diversity and young adult

690
00:36:23,168 --> 00:36:25,948
literature class that I took in February.

691
00:36:26,088 --> 00:36:32,188
And basically we were given a list of
books that we had to choose one from it to

692
00:36:32,188 --> 00:36:35,978
read, but then everybody was required to
read all my rage.

693
00:36:35,978 --> 00:36:39,642
So this was like the one common read with
everybody in the class.

694
00:36:39,874 --> 00:36:40,838
And...

695
00:36:40,888 --> 00:36:46,828
the teacher did not, teacher, professor,
did not give us any information about the

696
00:36:46,828 --> 00:36:46,978
book.

697
00:36:46,978 --> 00:36:49,528
Like we were to have it read by the first
meeting.

698
00:36:49,528 --> 00:36:53,708
And then we like discussed it and talked
about how we would use it in our

699
00:36:53,708 --> 00:36:57,208
classrooms and like what age groups we
think it fits with and what trigger

700
00:36:57,208 --> 00:37:01,508
warnings we would have to talk about and
so on and so forth.

701
00:37:01,508 --> 00:37:05,848
And we also talked about it being a banned
book and you know, all these other things

702
00:37:05,848 --> 00:37:08,782
because it deals with a lot of serious
issues.

703
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:09,534
so sorry to interrupt.

704
00:37:09,534 --> 00:37:12,014
I just want to confirm that the Fire
Keepers daughter did with the Prince

705
00:37:12,014 --> 00:37:12,914
Award.

706
00:37:13,414 --> 00:37:16,194
Alright, so that's the book you can try to
look about.

707
00:37:16,194 --> 00:37:19,574
So, this book...

708
00:37:19,574 --> 00:37:21,474
I don't want this book to come up.

709
00:37:21,474 --> 00:37:22,074
So, okay.

710
00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:24,854
This book is about two teenagers.

711
00:37:25,434 --> 00:37:27,054
So, let's take a look.

712
00:37:27,268 --> 00:37:29,988
and they live in California.

713
00:37:29,988 --> 00:37:33,308
They're, they both are children of
immigrants.

714
00:37:33,308 --> 00:37:41,088
And they have had this bond, this
friendship that is pretty well established

715
00:37:41,088 --> 00:37:42,688
when the book starts.

716
00:37:42,688 --> 00:37:47,568
And then it becomes very clear that the
new ones have feelings for staff, and kind

717
00:37:47,568 --> 00:37:50,748
of become productive and show that they're
not.

718
00:37:50,748 --> 00:37:54,830
And so it kind of then, they're finally
signing off.

719
00:37:54,830 --> 00:37:57,344
on the rocks because they're on it.

720
00:37:57,344 --> 00:38:01,570
communicating about mending the friendship
from that happening.

721
00:38:08,604 --> 00:38:11,844
you're also forgetting the third narrator.

722
00:38:13,223 --> 00:38:14,114
There's three parts.

723
00:38:14,114 --> 00:38:15,344
The mom.

724
00:38:15,352 --> 00:38:17,132
yeah, well, I was getting to her.

725
00:38:17,132 --> 00:38:25,432
So, Sal's mom is ill at the beginning of
the book, and he is basically struggling

726
00:38:25,432 --> 00:38:32,612
to keep their family business alive
because his dad has drinking problems.

727
00:38:32,752 --> 00:38:37,712
And so, Sal is like at the precipice of
like, should be applying to college and

728
00:38:37,712 --> 00:38:40,262
thinking about his future and instead...

729
00:38:40,408 --> 00:38:46,888
He's got a dying mother and a dad that is
like in complete denial and not being an

730
00:38:46,888 --> 00:38:47,808
adult.

731
00:38:47,808 --> 00:38:52,208
And he really needs to lean on his friend
Noor, but she like had this feeling

732
00:38:52,208 --> 00:38:55,988
explosion and now he doesn't really know
how to like mend that.

733
00:38:55,988 --> 00:38:59,908
And so there's just like a lot going on in
Sal's life.

734
00:38:59,908 --> 00:39:06,228
And eventually their friendship does get
mended because she also has a difficult

735
00:39:06,228 --> 00:39:10,048
family situation in which she wants to
apply to college.

736
00:39:10,048 --> 00:39:12,838
and she lives with her uncle, her cousin.

737
00:39:12,838 --> 00:39:13,768
Yeah, it's her uncle.

738
00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:22,808
She lives with her uncle, and she thinks
that when she sees a doctor, and I don't

739
00:39:22,808 --> 00:39:24,282
know if this is the right time to start.

740
00:39:24,282 --> 00:39:24,842
the world.

741
00:39:24,842 --> 00:39:25,560
Yes.

742
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,500
very full of himself.

743
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:38,320
And basically it's a situation where these
two young Muslim kids are like trying to

744
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,820
deal with these adults who aren't being
good adults and aren't supporting their

745
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:49,940
futures and are basically like, you should
be as miserable as I am and like suck it

746
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:52,970
up and like the welcome to America, like
kind of like.

747
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:57,510
like, bitterly come up with their life
situations and instead of like, helping

748
00:39:57,510 --> 00:40:02,010
their kids blossom, they're like shutting
down in each way.

749
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:04,290
It's beautiful to read.

750
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:09,710
You will feel a lot of different feelings
throughout the entire book.

751
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:13,930
As soon as I finished reading it, I was
like, I was like, forced to read it into

752
00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:17,570
stuff and I was like, I have to read this,
I don't want to talk about it.

753
00:40:18,366 --> 00:40:21,916
it's just one of those books where I'm
like, everybody needs to read this because

754
00:40:21,916 --> 00:40:22,960
it's like,

755
00:40:23,474 --> 00:40:28,304
like, it's like all the things you think
about in your dream and then like ugly,

756
00:40:28,304 --> 00:40:34,034
uncanny, you don't know what that actual
looks like when, when don't fully prove

757
00:40:34,034 --> 00:40:38,080
who you are, you don't know how to dreamer
the way that you are.

758
00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:41,030
I think it should be high school required
reading.

759
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:45,250
This would be a perfect one to open
discussions.

760
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:48,910
I wanted to go back to the mom for a
second because her narration is in the

761
00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:49,530
past.

762
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:57,110
It's sort of back in Pakistan, how she got
arranged with her soon to be husband, the

763
00:40:57,110 --> 00:41:01,530
early days of engagement and marriage
life.

764
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:06,110
And if you didn't have that, I feel like
you would sort of be like, why the heck

765
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:08,158
did this relationship?

766
00:41:08,398 --> 00:41:12,498
end up together because it seems so ill
-suited.

767
00:41:12,498 --> 00:41:16,337
But when you get that aspect, you kind of
understand things a little bit better.

768
00:41:16,337 --> 00:41:21,018
I also want to disclose that Caitlin saw
me, I think I was three quarters of the

769
00:41:21,018 --> 00:41:22,998
way through the book and she was like, how
are you loving it?

770
00:41:22,998 --> 00:41:27,858
And I was like, I effing hate this book
because I was at a point where there were

771
00:41:27,858 --> 00:41:29,118
no W's happening.

772
00:41:29,118 --> 00:41:35,142
There was so much despair in the plot that
was happening that I was like...

773
00:41:35,886 --> 00:41:37,926
I'm not sure I can emotionally make it
through this book.

774
00:41:37,926 --> 00:41:39,346
I'm glad I pushed through.

775
00:41:39,346 --> 00:41:40,296
It was worth it.

776
00:41:40,296 --> 00:41:42,126
This happens to me a lot.

777
00:41:42,626 --> 00:41:48,486
But it's hard to read this sort of book
because you know that this is real life

778
00:41:48,486 --> 00:41:50,306
for a lot of people out there.

779
00:41:50,306 --> 00:41:52,786
And it's hard for me to stomach that.

780
00:41:52,786 --> 00:41:53,414
So.

781
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,900
I have so much to say about this book.

782
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,420
I have written notes, so buckle up.

783
00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:03,448
Molly took legit notes like on a piece of
scratch paper.

784
00:42:03,448 --> 00:42:06,548
our entire time of doing this podcast,
I've never come here with handwritten

785
00:42:06,548 --> 00:42:06,858
notes.

786
00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:08,088
That's so serious, I feel about this.

787
00:42:08,088 --> 00:42:13,268
Let me get by saying I gave this book five
stars on Goodreads, which I'm like, I

788
00:42:13,268 --> 00:42:16,508
reserve the five stars, like majorly.

789
00:42:18,228 --> 00:42:18,728
I am.

790
00:42:18,728 --> 00:42:19,618
I really am.

791
00:42:19,618 --> 00:42:23,368
Also because, especially since we started
this podcast, I'm now connected to more

792
00:42:23,368 --> 00:42:27,208
people on Goodreads and I don't want to
overhype something that doesn't deserve

793
00:42:27,208 --> 00:42:27,828
it.

794
00:42:28,156 --> 00:42:32,416
I gave this five stars like with no
hesitation and I also like agonized over

795
00:42:32,416 --> 00:42:35,696
what to write in my review because I was
sure I couldn't encapsulate it.

796
00:42:35,696 --> 00:42:40,096
First of all, I'm glad that you like
pushed so hard for us to read this and

797
00:42:40,096 --> 00:42:45,776
talk about it because if I had seen this
book on a table in a bookstore, I would

798
00:42:45,776 --> 00:42:47,396
not have picked it up for two reasons.

799
00:42:47,396 --> 00:42:52,116
One, the title All My Rage makes me think
it's going to be like an angry, intense

800
00:42:52,116 --> 00:42:52,446
topic.

801
00:42:52,446 --> 00:42:56,212
And I just feel like that's not the vibe I
necessarily needed in my life right now.

802
00:42:56,220 --> 00:43:00,220
And two, it probably would have been in
the YA section, which I personally rarely

803
00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:01,340
walk to.

804
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:05,020
And both of you have sort of like opened
my eyes to kind of the magic and wonder of

805
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:05,780
YA.

806
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,120
And when I was in the middle of reading
this, we were talking about it a few days

807
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,000
ago, I was saying I just couldn't believe
the like breadth of topics that they cover

808
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,540
in this book that feel extremely adult to
me.

809
00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:23,240
And when we did our episode about graphic
novels, similarly, I was like, my God,

810
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,236
there's like so many intense subject
matter.

811
00:43:26,236 --> 00:43:30,136
that gets covered in what seemed to be
like fun illustrated cartoons.

812
00:43:30,136 --> 00:43:33,936
I felt similarly about this to my list of
notes.

813
00:43:33,936 --> 00:43:39,076
The first thing is there are quotes from a
poem that are sprinkled throughout this

814
00:43:39,076 --> 00:43:43,456
book as the dividers between part one,
part two, and so on.

815
00:43:43,656 --> 00:43:46,836
The poem is called One Art by Elizabeth
Bishop.

816
00:43:47,496 --> 00:43:50,386
You might know it as the phrasing, The Art
of Losing.

817
00:43:50,386 --> 00:43:55,368
I recognize this poem immediately because
it's part of In Her Shoes.

818
00:43:55,408 --> 00:43:56,828
of the book.

819
00:43:56,828 --> 00:43:59,408
How would that be studied in school?

820
00:43:59,408 --> 00:44:00,198
It could be.

821
00:44:00,198 --> 00:44:01,848
I'm sure you've heard of it in school.

822
00:44:01,848 --> 00:44:06,008
It leaks into the inner -shoots of the
story, how she sets out this quest for her

823
00:44:06,008 --> 00:44:07,628
life, and the time.

824
00:44:07,628 --> 00:44:09,548
You know, the story doesn't come out
really.

825
00:44:09,548 --> 00:44:13,288
She learns, and her rage is rejuvenated,
and her rage is re -exposed at her

826
00:44:13,288 --> 00:44:13,958
sister's wedding.

827
00:44:13,958 --> 00:44:15,598
So I was like, wow, this is so
interesting.

828
00:44:15,598 --> 00:44:17,920
At this point, which I associate with

829
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,080
a kind of chiclet type of book, was part
of this book, which is about such a

830
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,200
different topic.

831
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,564
The second thing is...

832
00:44:25,564 --> 00:44:31,484
Noor, who Caitlin mentioned earlier, has
had just a really hard and tragic life and

833
00:44:31,484 --> 00:44:32,444
upbringing.

834
00:44:32,744 --> 00:44:37,904
She was rescued from the rubble of an
earthquake by this uncle who she lives

835
00:44:37,904 --> 00:44:38,604
with.

836
00:44:38,604 --> 00:44:44,964
Throughout the book, she repeats the story
as it was told to her as a four -year -old

837
00:44:44,964 --> 00:44:47,784
child about how she was rescued.

838
00:44:47,784 --> 00:44:52,084
And it reminded me of this book, which is
nonfiction, called The Body Keeps the

839
00:44:52,084 --> 00:44:55,578
Score, about the way that people process
trauma.

840
00:44:55,578 --> 00:44:55,836
that

841
00:44:55,836 --> 00:44:58,746
The first time I read the repetition of
that phrasing in this book, I was like,

842
00:44:58,746 --> 00:45:00,216
this must be a mistake.

843
00:45:00,216 --> 00:45:05,436
Throughout the book, I think it gets
retyped the same way, more than 10 times.

844
00:45:05,436 --> 00:45:11,736
There's something about going through like
a massively traumatic event that the

845
00:45:11,736 --> 00:45:14,876
narrative of that sticks with you, whether
you were the hero or the victim or

846
00:45:14,876 --> 00:45:15,696
whatever.

847
00:45:15,696 --> 00:45:19,916
I think that was one of the most honest
parts of this book about kind of how that

848
00:45:19,916 --> 00:45:21,276
impacts Nora's life.

849
00:45:21,276 --> 00:45:22,956
Caitlin, go ahead.

850
00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:28,410
and it came up in my class, or I brought
it up in my class, it becomes like her

851
00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:29,370
mantra.

852
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:33,710
Because a lot of times she's repeating it
and saying it to herself when her uncle is

853
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:34,890
being a jerk.

854
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:38,950
And so she's like, Noor, get over
yourself.

855
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:40,350
Like he saved you from this rubble.

856
00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:41,560
He brought you to the United States.

857
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,140
You're safe.

858
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,270
You wouldn't be alive.

859
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:47,780
And like she reminds herself is this like
mantra over and over again.

860
00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:51,990
And like other things get unveiled like
throughout the book about her life and her

861
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:52,903
upbringing.

862
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,962
know.

863
00:45:54,962 --> 00:45:59,902
gosh, I just can't imagine feeling like
you owe somebody like that.

864
00:45:59,902 --> 00:46:04,172
Like, I can't imagine being indebted to
somebody in that way.

865
00:46:04,172 --> 00:46:08,832
And like, the more I thought about it, the
more it like gave me a pit in my stomach

866
00:46:08,832 --> 00:46:13,942
of like, I can't, he's terror, he's just,
he stinks.

867
00:46:13,942 --> 00:46:17,712
He's such a crummy role model.

868
00:46:17,712 --> 00:46:20,382
And then she's like, but you owe him, you
owe him big time.

869
00:46:20,382 --> 00:46:21,522
Like, remember what happened?

870
00:46:21,522 --> 00:46:22,822
Like, this is what happened to you.

871
00:46:22,822 --> 00:46:23,580
of shit.

872
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:24,060
Totally.

873
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:27,639
And I mentioned this a couple episodes
ago, how whenever I'm reading, I'm always

874
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:29,820
looking for the source of a title.

875
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:30,730
Where did it come from?

876
00:46:30,730 --> 00:46:31,780
What is it inspired by?

877
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:34,160
Is there a passage in the book that
relates to it?

878
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:37,960
I like audibly was like, aha, when I got
to this page in this book.

879
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,620
So this is page 170 out of 374.

880
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,600
She says, what's the word for when someone
drinks so much they're ruining your best

881
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,860
friend's life?

882
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:51,340
Or the word for a man so vengeful about
his own past that he wants to destroy your

883
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:52,124
future?

884
00:46:52,124 --> 00:46:54,984
What's the word for a woman who was sick
for months but refused to go to the doctor

885
00:46:54,984 --> 00:46:56,264
until it was too late?

886
00:46:56,264 --> 00:46:59,784
The word for the girl at school whose
personal mission is to mess with your

887
00:46:59,784 --> 00:47:00,444
head.

888
00:47:00,444 --> 00:47:02,164
Anger is not the right word.

889
00:47:02,164 --> 00:47:02,864
Rage.

890
00:47:02,864 --> 00:47:05,444
That's what this feeling is eating me up.

891
00:47:05,644 --> 00:47:06,384
I loved that.

892
00:47:06,384 --> 00:47:08,824
I just thought that was like so
beautifully articulated.

893
00:47:08,844 --> 00:47:13,424
I also wanted to call out the role music
plays in this story.

894
00:47:13,904 --> 00:47:15,506
It's obvious.

895
00:47:15,506 --> 00:47:17,586
And then the author has a personal passion
for music.

896
00:47:17,586 --> 00:47:22,406
She wrote a book, and this is actually
Robert's book, Personal Music.

897
00:47:22,986 --> 00:47:27,206
I think she talked about how music can be
healing in a way that makes you feel

898
00:47:27,206 --> 00:47:28,186
proud.

899
00:47:28,366 --> 00:47:30,956
And she talks about it in a bunch of
different ways.

900
00:47:30,956 --> 00:47:32,506
And I'm just like, yeah, of course.

901
00:47:32,506 --> 00:47:34,246
She's super good.

902
00:47:35,576 --> 00:47:41,356
I also like this book, Reminding You of a
Dream, because there's a place for us,

903
00:47:41,356 --> 00:47:44,616
which I talked about in the episode about
the X -Dimension Scrap.

904
00:47:44,658 --> 00:47:49,218
It's also a story about a new American who
was once a communist journalist just three

905
00:47:49,218 --> 00:47:50,020
years ago.

906
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:53,900
Both of these stories are about families
who gave up everything in their home

907
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:57,400
country, came here to start over, are very
othered in the communities in which they

908
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,120
live in.

909
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,860
The kids are trying to both be respectful
of the old ways and also adapt to the new

910
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:03,140
ways in America.

911
00:48:03,140 --> 00:48:06,540
If you have read All My Rage and you loved
it, you also should read There's a Place

912
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:06,960
for Us.

913
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,440
It's fantastic.

914
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,140
And I would love to see those two authors
like on a panel discussing kind of what

915
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:14,792
the immigrant experience is.

916
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:16,508
it.

917
00:48:16,508 --> 00:48:20,708
about this as potentially required reading
or something that should be taught, it

918
00:48:20,708 --> 00:48:23,608
reminded me we kind of had a similar
conversation about the undocumented

919
00:48:23,608 --> 00:48:24,788
Americans.

920
00:48:25,367 --> 00:48:30,708
That is, of course, like a written account
of conversations with real life people.

921
00:48:30,708 --> 00:48:36,448
But I felt the same way about All My Rage,
where I was like, people need to read this

922
00:48:36,448 --> 00:48:41,468
to understand what's really happening and
to have this be part of a facilitated

923
00:48:41,468 --> 00:48:42,524
discourse.

924
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:49,350
I obviously passed my copy to both of you
first, but I so my parents are like late

925
00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:55,450
60s early 70s and I just feel like they
really do not have a good grasp on the

926
00:48:55,450 --> 00:49:00,190
experience that young immigrant people are
having in the United States and Like I'm

927
00:49:00,190 --> 00:49:03,650
not saying like my gosh, my parents are
conservative or anything They really are

928
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:08,510
not but they're like more moderate than I
think they should be about some of these

929
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:13,424
things and I think it's just like straight
-up lack of exposure and I

930
00:49:13,424 --> 00:49:20,884
I think I think the news that they watch
is like decent but like isn't it's just

931
00:49:20,884 --> 00:49:25,164
like not enough they like need another
angle and I think that because this book

932
00:49:25,164 --> 00:49:29,184
is about kids it would really pack a punch
for them because my parents really care

933
00:49:29,184 --> 00:49:34,443
about kids and so I'm gonna pass along to
them and make them read it.

934
00:49:34,564 --> 00:49:36,024
I think the other

935
00:49:36,024 --> 00:49:38,060
thing that makes this book.

936
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:43,288
really special is the...

937
00:49:43,288 --> 00:49:47,458
not just the relationship between these
two kids and what they're going through,

938
00:49:47,458 --> 00:49:51,628
but the places where they work, I think,
are really fascinating and really

939
00:49:51,628 --> 00:49:53,168
resonated with me.

940
00:49:53,288 --> 00:49:56,848
So Sal's family owns a motel.

941
00:49:56,848 --> 00:50:01,068
And so they have kind of all different
kinds of walks of life coming in and out

942
00:50:01,068 --> 00:50:02,948
of this motel.

943
00:50:02,948 --> 00:50:07,628
And that's what he's trying to save is
like his family's business.

944
00:50:07,628 --> 00:50:11,842
And then Noor's uncle owns a convenience
store.

945
00:50:12,024 --> 00:50:19,024
And so these are like, I would say kind of
like stereotypical jobs that like new

946
00:50:19,024 --> 00:50:23,084
immigrants would potentially have,
especially in urban places.

947
00:50:23,084 --> 00:50:27,664
And I was like, it's so interesting to me
that it's like, this is what they're

948
00:50:27,664 --> 00:50:28,044
doing.

949
00:50:28,044 --> 00:50:30,924
This is what she chose to have them do in
the story.

950
00:50:30,924 --> 00:50:36,824
And then in the acknowledgments, the
author, is it her family that owns the

951
00:50:36,824 --> 00:50:37,776
motel?

952
00:50:38,422 --> 00:50:41,320
good question let me do a quick little
fact check

953
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,600
I read this a little while ago, but in the
acknowledgement, she talks about how she

954
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,040
has a real life connection to like owning
a motel.

955
00:50:50,788 --> 00:50:57,228
She wrote to mama and daddy who clawed out
a life from the dust of a barren place and

956
00:50:57,228 --> 00:50:58,088
made it

957
00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:03,585
So while Molly is looking for that, I just
really liked those settings.

958
00:51:03,585 --> 00:51:09,905
And also those are two places where you
can have kids work and nobody is really

959
00:51:09,905 --> 00:51:11,425
going to ask you very many questions.

960
00:51:11,425 --> 00:51:14,725
It's not like a restaurant where
inspectors come in all the time or

961
00:51:14,725 --> 00:51:15,065
whatever.

962
00:51:15,065 --> 00:51:18,465
It's a little more legit than that.

963
00:51:19,605 --> 00:51:23,565
And also those are both things where it's
like, yeah, of course the parents are

964
00:51:23,565 --> 00:51:25,701
expecting you to just take that over.

965
00:51:25,701 --> 00:51:26,081
parents.

966
00:51:26,081 --> 00:51:28,273
There is a plan for you to take out your
parents.

967
00:51:28,273 --> 00:51:29,673
And like, then where's it going to go?

968
00:51:29,673 --> 00:51:31,253
And what was all this for?

969
00:51:31,253 --> 00:51:31,616
And you

970
00:51:31,814 --> 00:51:32,434
found it.

971
00:51:32,434 --> 00:51:34,834
No, it's in her author profile.

972
00:51:34,834 --> 00:51:38,819
She grew up in California's Mojave Desert
at her family's 18 -room motel.

973
00:51:38,819 --> 00:51:39,662
So.

974
00:51:39,662 --> 00:51:40,774
So it was her.

975
00:51:42,350 --> 00:51:45,230
Also, I thought it was worth it for the
listeners to hear what the trigger

976
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:47,410
warnings are, which are in the book.

977
00:51:48,070 --> 00:51:52,070
Okay, so All My Rage contains the
following content, drug and alcohol

978
00:51:52,070 --> 00:51:58,910
addiction, physical abuse, Islamophobia,
mentions of repressed sexual assault,

979
00:51:58,910 --> 00:52:02,460
tense exchange with law enforcement, and
death.

980
00:52:04,466 --> 00:52:05,136
It's a lot.

981
00:52:05,136 --> 00:52:06,466
It is.

982
00:52:06,466 --> 00:52:08,166
It's a lot.

983
00:52:09,026 --> 00:52:10,326
But it's not.

984
00:52:10,326 --> 00:52:16,546
But it's done in a way that it's important
to follow people on.

985
00:52:17,046 --> 00:52:18,106
I think that's it.

986
00:52:18,106 --> 00:52:19,886
It means a lot to me.

987
00:52:19,886 --> 00:52:21,926
It's too much to take on.

988
00:52:21,926 --> 00:52:25,918
It's necessary, especially for...

989
00:52:26,248 --> 00:52:30,140
us white folks who are sheltered and
privileged to...

990
00:52:30,734 --> 00:52:37,134
to actually read it, sit with it, take it
out and to be exposed to something beyond

991
00:52:37,134 --> 00:52:39,834
our daily life.

992
00:52:40,014 --> 00:52:44,234
Again, to my surprise, I do have a little
bit of a problem with the astrology and

993
00:52:44,234 --> 00:52:48,094
the metrics that I have because I'm not so
much an MTA, but I know that they're

994
00:52:48,094 --> 00:52:48,616
happening.

995
00:52:48,616 --> 00:52:52,776
out there and children shouldn't be
dealing with this sort of thing.

996
00:52:53,096 --> 00:52:57,256
And again, yes, I was very upset three
quarters of the way through because I

997
00:52:57,256 --> 00:52:59,096
thought there were going to be no wins.

998
00:52:59,332 --> 00:53:00,172
Push through it.

999
00:53:00,172 --> 00:53:01,372
It is worth it.

1000
00:53:03,438 --> 00:53:08,598
And it has, I would say a satisfying
ending, but it's not like it does, it

1001
00:53:08,598 --> 00:53:09,788
doesn't have a bow on it.

1002
00:53:09,788 --> 00:53:14,658
Like this author doesn't like jump the
shark at the end and bail out on all the

1003
00:53:14,658 --> 00:53:16,308
tough stuff that she's been writing about.

1004
00:53:16,308 --> 00:53:18,420
Like she really does it right.

1005
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:23,370
end that should happen to be organic to
these characters' stories.

1006
00:53:24,878 --> 00:53:30,378
So you'll see on our Instagram, we have
some photos of the book.

1007
00:53:30,378 --> 00:53:37,438
And I also brought a copy of one of her
other books because she typically does

1008
00:53:37,438 --> 00:53:39,038
fantasy.

1009
00:53:40,338 --> 00:53:41,438
I know.

1010
00:53:41,438 --> 00:53:45,568
And so she has like a pretty, I think it's
five books, the series.

1011
00:53:45,568 --> 00:53:48,498
And the first one is An Ember in the
Ashes.

1012
00:53:48,498 --> 00:53:52,678
It has absurdly high ratings on Goodreads.

1013
00:53:52,678 --> 00:53:54,534
And we're talking like,

1014
00:53:54,548 --> 00:53:57,068
six digits for an eight -hour book year.

1015
00:53:57,068 --> 00:53:59,828
So like, it's a lot of the other books.

1016
00:53:59,888 --> 00:54:01,634
So she -

1017
00:54:01,634 --> 00:54:09,014
All My Rage was her first realistic
fiction and then it blew up and she won 8

1018
00:54:09,014 --> 00:54:10,154
,000 awards.

1019
00:54:10,154 --> 00:54:14,374
I don't know if she'll go more that route
now.

1020
00:54:14,374 --> 00:54:16,194
I don't really know.

1021
00:54:16,194 --> 00:54:20,654
Obviously, that was, I don't want to say
semi -autobiographical, but a little bit

1022
00:54:20,654 --> 00:54:22,154
autobiographical.

1023
00:54:23,124 --> 00:54:28,984
wonder if she got in, if her hook for an
agent was like fantasy because she knew

1024
00:54:28,984 --> 00:54:31,334
she could get that story published.

1025
00:54:31,334 --> 00:54:32,974
what do they want you to do?

1026
00:54:32,974 --> 00:54:37,894
Just kind of read this really carefully,
you know?

1027
00:54:38,002 --> 00:54:41,782
I think that given how heavy the material
is of all my rage, I'm sure that would

1028
00:54:41,782 --> 00:54:44,962
have been hard to like put into a query
letter, back to what we were talking about

1029
00:54:44,962 --> 00:54:45,842
earlier.

1030
00:54:45,842 --> 00:54:48,392
And also, I'm sure that you're right.

1031
00:54:48,392 --> 00:54:52,662
She had to sort of prove her marketability
before she could say like, no, I want to

1032
00:54:52,662 --> 00:54:56,766
write this really dark and depressing tale
based on my real life experience.

1033
00:54:58,158 --> 00:55:02,318
I mean, it definitely has like it came out
in 2015.

1034
00:55:02,518 --> 00:55:06,378
It definitely sounds a little bit like
there's world building.

1035
00:55:06,378 --> 00:55:09,068
It kind of feels like a little fourth wing
ish.

1036
00:55:09,068 --> 00:55:11,098
It says Leia is a slave.

1037
00:55:11,098 --> 00:55:12,278
Elias is a soldier.

1038
00:55:12,278 --> 00:55:13,698
Neither is free.

1039
00:55:13,698 --> 00:55:17,338
Under the martial empire defiance is met
with death.

1040
00:55:17,338 --> 00:55:19,698
Leia and her family do not challenge the
empire.

1041
00:55:19,698 --> 00:55:22,198
They've seen what happens to those who do.

1042
00:55:22,198 --> 00:55:26,286
But when Leia's brother is arrested for
treason, she's forced to make a decision.

1043
00:55:26,286 --> 00:55:30,486
In exchange for help from rebels who
promised to rescue her brother, she will

1044
00:55:30,486 --> 00:55:35,548
risk her life to spy for them from within
the Empire's greatest military academy.

1045
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:40,359
think I might have added this on my
Goodreads.

1046
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,878
Listen, if this is good, then I'm gonna
get into all of those books.

1047
00:55:55,878 --> 00:55:58,838
us weekly called it a heart pounding
fantasy.

1048
00:55:59,338 --> 00:56:04,138
The Atlanta Journal said, this epic
fantasy set in the martial empire has it

1049
00:56:04,138 --> 00:56:09,378
all danger and violence secrets and lies
strong characters and forbidden romance.

1050
00:56:09,438 --> 00:56:13,254
I mean, it sounds like we will like it, I
think.

1051
00:56:15,652 --> 00:56:17,552
along those lines.

1052
00:56:17,552 --> 00:56:19,592
What am I reading right now?

1053
00:56:19,592 --> 00:56:23,771
I mean, I'll be reading this for a while
because it's, I think it's like 600

1054
00:56:23,771 --> 00:56:25,672
something.

1055
00:56:29,292 --> 00:56:32,471
Sorry, 751 pages.

1056
00:56:33,012 --> 00:56:34,012
Okay.

1057
00:56:35,272 --> 00:56:41,312
I'm not going to talk about this book
because this is the fifth book in the

1058
00:56:41,312 --> 00:56:42,152
series.

1059
00:56:42,152 --> 00:56:44,706
And I can't talk about it without.

1060
00:56:44,706 --> 00:56:46,226
read four?

1061
00:56:46,966 --> 00:56:50,426
And you read Glass Throne or whatever that
was called?

1062
00:56:50,726 --> 00:56:52,286
Throne of Glass?

1063
00:56:53,246 --> 00:56:56,854
Yeah, I know, but I'm saying you've read
five Sarah Moss books?

1064
00:56:57,604 --> 00:56:59,784
this will be my sixth.

1065
00:57:00,284 --> 00:57:01,404
Yeah.

1066
00:57:03,556 --> 00:57:04,696
No.

1067
00:57:06,382 --> 00:57:09,932
I love that you're like, I'm six books
deep, but like, I'm not that into her.

1068
00:57:09,932 --> 00:57:16,402
I'm not gonna but I tried the other series
and and I'm not into it which

1069
00:57:18,340 --> 00:57:23,260
Okay, the other one had no sauce because
it was more YA and I'm in a mental space

1070
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:25,580
where I'm so stressed that I need the
sauce.

1071
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:32,300
I need the hot fudge on top of the scoop
of ice cream is what I'm saying and the

1072
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:33,620
Siri Sassage.

1073
00:57:33,966 --> 00:57:37,925
The book I'm reading used the phrase good
girl and I almost texted you about it.

1074
00:57:37,925 --> 00:57:39,746
More on that in a minute.

1075
00:57:40,324 --> 00:57:43,144
So I'm not going to talk about this book
because I can't do it without giving away

1076
00:57:43,144 --> 00:57:43,864
the first four books.

1077
00:57:43,864 --> 00:57:50,204
But I will say, and I've probably talked
about Akatar before, Akatar is a

1078
00:57:50,204 --> 00:57:50,844
reimagining.

1079
00:57:50,844 --> 00:57:55,164
I don't know if she did it on purpose, but
I was like 20 pages in and was like, this

1080
00:57:55,164 --> 00:57:57,444
feels like Beauty and the Beast is
happening.

1081
00:57:57,444 --> 00:57:59,744
It is Beauty and the Beast basically.

1082
00:57:59,904 --> 00:58:02,904
If instead of the beast, he was a fairy.

1083
00:58:03,626 --> 00:58:07,831
The serious part is that I actually found
a couple of videos that were not.

1084
00:58:07,831 --> 00:58:13,252
not gonna try to pronounce anyone's names
because it's not gonna be good for me.

1085
00:58:15,952 --> 00:58:20,032
I think it's like Farah is her name, but
I'm not gonna talk about anyone else.

1086
00:58:20,472 --> 00:58:25,332
She lives with her father and her two
horrible sisters in the woods and they're

1087
00:58:25,332 --> 00:58:31,632
impoverished and she is, you know, hunting
for their food, you know, so that they

1088
00:58:31,632 --> 00:58:32,782
don't starve.

1089
00:58:32,782 --> 00:58:33,572
And anyways,

1090
00:58:33,572 --> 00:58:39,052
In the beginning of Akatar, she kills a
being that turns out to be a fairy in

1091
00:58:39,052 --> 00:58:39,592
disguise.

1092
00:58:39,592 --> 00:58:43,972
And so the fairy king comes to her father
and is basically like, I kill you now.

1093
00:58:43,972 --> 00:58:48,112
Or she comes to live with me as like
penance for killing my friend type thing.

1094
00:58:48,112 --> 00:58:50,391
So she goes to the fairy realm.

1095
00:58:50,732 --> 00:58:54,412
If anyone is listening and they love the
series, they're gonna be so mad at me for

1096
00:58:54,412 --> 00:58:55,792
boiling it down like this.

1097
00:58:55,792 --> 00:58:57,812
But basically she goes to live in this
fairy realm.

1098
00:58:57,812 --> 00:59:00,518
Tamlin is the guy who's like the head of
this.

1099
00:59:00,518 --> 00:59:01,328
came down.

1100
00:59:01,328 --> 00:59:05,358
I really need to encourage you so that
you're open to it, so you can see that.

1101
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:07,930
And I love her.

1102
00:59:07,930 --> 00:59:09,010
I love her.

1103
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:10,592
I'm going to be showing her some exercise.

1104
00:59:10,592 --> 00:59:13,072
because she's just like a frail human.

1105
00:59:13,072 --> 00:59:18,092
And I've had wine, so that's why I'm...

1106
00:59:18,092 --> 00:59:21,572
Anyways, yes, I'm on the fifth book.

1107
00:59:21,572 --> 00:59:25,922
So obviously, obviously I didn't hate it.

1108
00:59:25,922 --> 00:59:27,452
So here we are.

1109
00:59:27,948 --> 00:59:31,978
if anyone would like to read A Throne of
Glass, which Stephanie was happy to part

1110
00:59:31,978 --> 00:59:35,578
with, it is in my little free library in
Hull, Massachusetts.

1111
00:59:35,578 --> 00:59:39,678
And as of Sunday night, it has not been
taken, so you can walk on by and get a

1112
00:59:39,678 --> 00:59:40,784
copy for free.

1113
00:59:40,836 --> 00:59:42,396
Have books been taken?

1114
00:59:42,396 --> 00:59:43,302
Yes.

1115
00:59:43,302 --> 00:59:47,522
not only have books been taken, which was
a thrill on its own, people have also

1116
00:59:47,522 --> 00:59:49,576
added books.

1117
00:59:49,604 --> 00:59:50,210
Ooh!

1118
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:51,790
couple more to give you.

1119
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:55,690
But I double backed for the wine and
forgot the other book.

1120
00:59:55,690 --> 01:00:17,190
So this would be such a goddamn thrill for
me.

1121
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:19,010
I would be living for it.

1122
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:19,740
Like,

1123
01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:23,662
I thought you were gonna just leave it at
this, this could be pretty human -ish.

1124
01:00:23,662 --> 01:00:25,168
really hope it could be.

1125
01:00:25,168 --> 01:00:27,088
I hope that too.

1126
01:00:27,088 --> 01:00:28,164
I like that.

1127
01:00:28,164 --> 01:00:30,958
do you put Plans R Booked bookmarks in
each book?

1128
01:00:31,218 --> 01:00:36,298
I haven't yet because I got the little
free library all set up and then I

1129
01:00:36,298 --> 01:00:37,658
probably went away for two weeks.

1130
01:00:37,658 --> 01:00:38,428
And I was like, you know what?

1131
01:00:38,428 --> 01:00:40,508
I want to do this with like, I'm around.

1132
01:00:40,508 --> 01:00:43,028
And if people want to be like, my God,
what is this bookmark?

1133
01:00:43,028 --> 01:00:44,888
I could actually talk to them about it.

1134
01:00:44,888 --> 01:00:48,996
But yes, I do plan to put them in the
books starting this weekend.

1135
01:00:48,996 --> 01:00:52,276
Or it could just have like a little cup
inside that's like, feel free to take a

1136
01:00:52,276 --> 01:00:54,118
bookmark, you know?

1137
01:00:54,118 --> 01:00:54,748
totally.

1138
01:00:54,748 --> 01:00:57,288
I know I was like, what other blades are
about branding?

1139
01:00:57,288 --> 01:00:59,078
Could I put in this little thing?

1140
01:00:59,078 --> 01:01:00,234
I'm gonna think of -

1141
01:01:01,902 --> 01:01:04,462
yes, I can go next about what I'm reading
now.

1142
01:01:04,882 --> 01:01:07,922
I'm reading The Summer Will Be Different
by Carly Fortune.

1143
01:01:08,142 --> 01:01:10,892
I am the final of our trio to read this.

1144
01:01:10,892 --> 01:01:12,702
Caitlyn and Steph have already finished.

1145
01:01:12,702 --> 01:01:15,162
We will discuss it in a future episode.

1146
01:01:15,322 --> 01:01:19,302
I loved Carly Fortune's first book every
summer after.

1147
01:01:19,302 --> 01:01:20,972
I recommended it to so many people.

1148
01:01:20,972 --> 01:01:23,462
I just love her summertime childhood
romance.

1149
01:01:23,462 --> 01:01:24,602
I just do.

1150
01:01:24,782 --> 01:01:25,608
I was.

1151
01:01:25,608 --> 01:01:30,368
I read that at your whole house, Fourth of
July weekend two summers ago.

1152
01:01:30,368 --> 01:01:32,288
Is that when it came out?

1153
01:01:35,538 --> 01:01:37,518
Yeah, that was I think that's right.

1154
01:01:37,518 --> 01:01:41,258
Yeah.

1155
01:01:42,158 --> 01:01:42,518
Yes.

1156
01:01:42,518 --> 01:01:47,338
Then I read Meet Me at the Lake, her
second book, which I did not love as much.

1157
01:01:47,338 --> 01:01:49,838
However, she admitted in the
acknowledgments that there were many

1158
01:01:49,838 --> 01:01:53,398
drafts of that book and that it was kind
of like many authors talk about the curse

1159
01:01:53,398 --> 01:01:54,108
of the second book.

1160
01:01:54,108 --> 01:01:56,418
And she was very open about the fact that
it was kind of a challenge.

1161
01:01:56,418 --> 01:01:58,578
Anyway, we're at this number will be
different.

1162
01:01:58,578 --> 01:02:00,778
I'm not going to share too, too much
because we're going to do a deep dive on

1163
01:02:00,778 --> 01:02:01,258
it.

1164
01:02:01,258 --> 01:02:02,326
But 50 pages.

1165
01:02:02,326 --> 01:02:11,740
really is getting to the sort of, I mean,
I mean, I mean, I'm sure.

1166
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:13,680
with one of the characters.

1167
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,220
The sh - I mean you don't eat meat, but
like the shucking of oysters didn't like

1168
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:20,642
do it for you?

1169
01:02:20,642 --> 01:02:23,602
paperback in his back jean pocket?

1170
01:02:23,864 --> 01:02:27,694
I haven't gotten to the paperback in his
macjean pocket, but I think because

1171
01:02:27,694 --> 01:02:30,374
oysters, you guys love oysters, both of
you.

1172
01:02:30,654 --> 01:02:35,124
I feel like that part of it just like
didn't speak to me as much.

1173
01:02:35,124 --> 01:02:39,154
like the forearms, like, no.

1174
01:02:39,154 --> 01:02:41,674
Stephanie is making the oyster shocking
motion.

1175
01:02:41,674 --> 01:02:45,804
I know you guys can't see that, but that's
what she was just miming to me.

1176
01:02:46,054 --> 01:02:53,174
not yet, but also there's a point where
the main character is describing her best

1177
01:02:53,174 --> 01:02:58,594
friend Bridget and she's describing her
childhood bedroom in this summer home.

1178
01:02:58,594 --> 01:03:02,526
And she talks about how there's a team
Jacob tote bag over the door.

1179
01:03:02,738 --> 01:03:05,798
And I was like, I think I'm going to like
this gal as I like learn more about this

1180
01:03:05,798 --> 01:03:06,458
character.

1181
01:03:06,458 --> 01:03:07,648
So I'm very excited to read.

1182
01:03:07,648 --> 01:03:10,198
I'm excited for us to deep dive on it.

1183
01:03:10,558 --> 01:03:16,498
A few people said DMs because this book
wasn't a picture we shared with last

1184
01:03:16,498 --> 01:03:19,338
week's episode of the books that we were
currently reading.

1185
01:03:19,338 --> 01:03:24,258
And many people said to me, are you guys
going to do a dedicated summer reading

1186
01:03:24,258 --> 01:03:25,638
episode?

1187
01:03:26,538 --> 01:03:28,558
So perhaps we will.

1188
01:03:28,886 --> 01:03:33,286
books about that take place during summer
or books that you should read during the

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01:03:33,286 --> 01:03:34,930
summer or both?

1190
01:03:34,930 --> 01:03:38,130
I think the implication was books you
should read during the summer.

1191
01:03:38,530 --> 01:03:42,570
But we'll think about whether or not that
should be standalone or we could combo it

1192
01:03:42,570 --> 01:03:44,170
with a Carly Fortune conversation.

1193
01:03:44,170 --> 01:03:48,770
But anyway, I was really excited that our
listeners and our IG friends were also

1194
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:51,350
starting to get in the spirit of summer
reading.

1195
01:03:52,014 --> 01:03:56,534
Just a quick question before I get into
the book that I'm reading right now.

1196
01:03:56,534 --> 01:04:01,074
Do you prefer a book, do you, how do I
wanna phrase this?

1197
01:04:01,214 --> 01:04:09,074
If you had to choose, would you pick a
wintery holiday book to read during the

1198
01:04:09,074 --> 01:04:14,894
winter or is reading a book, like a beach
book during the summer more enjoyable for

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01:04:14,894 --> 01:04:15,854
you?

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01:04:16,514 --> 01:04:18,628
Like obviously a season.

1201
01:04:18,696 --> 01:04:21,656
reading in the season is like a cost of
development.

1202
01:04:21,656 --> 01:04:24,120
Which one is like more...

1203
01:04:28,958 --> 01:04:30,636
gonna have the opposite answer.

1204
01:04:30,636 --> 01:04:35,378
But is that because you secretly just like
love Christmas?

1205
01:04:35,378 --> 01:04:37,038
that's what I was just going to say.

1206
01:04:37,198 --> 01:04:38,778
I love Christmas.

1207
01:04:39,118 --> 01:04:42,558
If this is your first time ever listening
to Plains or Boked, I grew up in a very

1208
01:04:42,558 --> 01:04:43,588
observant Jewish family.

1209
01:04:43,588 --> 01:04:47,738
And when my parents moved to Florida, my
Christmas inner demon was unleashed.

1210
01:04:47,738 --> 01:04:49,208
I love Christmas.

1211
01:04:49,208 --> 01:04:52,518
I love all stories that are set around
that time of year.

1212
01:04:52,518 --> 01:04:53,538
I mean, I love both.

1213
01:04:53,538 --> 01:04:56,858
But if I could only pick one, I would
probably double down on, like, hot cocoa

1214
01:04:56,858 --> 01:04:57,774
and Christmas.

1215
01:04:57,774 --> 01:05:01,794
of my best friends from high school is
also from a very observant Jewish family

1216
01:05:01,794 --> 01:05:08,754
and her mom was like the first Jewish
person I met that like admitted how much

1217
01:05:08,754 --> 01:05:14,594
she loved Christmas and she collected
albums like vinyl records of Christmas

1218
01:05:14,594 --> 01:05:15,194
music.

1219
01:05:15,194 --> 01:05:17,074
Her favorite one was Judy Garland.

1220
01:05:17,074 --> 01:05:21,014
She had an extensive collection and I
thought it was when I was like 16 I

1221
01:05:21,014 --> 01:05:23,538
thought it was just about the funniest
thing I had ever heard.

1222
01:05:23,538 --> 01:05:27,318
also very well documented that some of the
best Christmas songs are written by Jewish

1223
01:05:27,318 --> 01:05:27,608
people.

1224
01:05:27,608 --> 01:05:32,878
So that's just like a hilarious fact that
is true about things that are constantly

1225
01:05:32,878 --> 01:05:34,928
rejoiced upon during that time of year.

1226
01:05:34,928 --> 01:05:38,458
I'm gonna send it to you if you haven't
seen it, but have you seen the claymation

1227
01:05:38,458 --> 01:05:42,758
video called Christmas Time for the Jews
that was on Saturday Night Live?

1228
01:05:42,758 --> 01:05:46,258
Yeah, I, have you seen it Steph?

1229
01:05:46,258 --> 01:05:47,578
I'll send it to you.

1230
01:05:47,578 --> 01:05:55,198
It's a hilarious like supreme style 1960s
doo -wop song about like all the things

1231
01:05:55,198 --> 01:05:58,798
that Jewish people get to do like during
Christmas time that they wouldn't.

1232
01:05:58,798 --> 01:06:01,324
normally get to do and it's hilarious.

1233
01:06:01,954 --> 01:06:02,794
good.

1234
01:06:02,794 --> 01:06:03,950
What are you reading?

1235
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:05,590
All right, I am reading a book.

1236
01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:09,510
This is a little bit of a departure for
me, I feel like this is not a typical

1237
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:10,690
Caitlin pick.

1238
01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:15,990
And I don't, I was saying to Molly
earlier, I don't remember what book it was

1239
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:20,230
on Amazon that it was like, you might also
like this one.

1240
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:22,020
And then I like added it to my list.

1241
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:25,770
And then I like, I forget when I bought
it, it might've been independent bookstore

1242
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:26,670
day, I forgot.

1243
01:06:26,670 --> 01:06:30,486
But it's called The Hunting Wives by May
Cobb.

1244
01:06:40,610 --> 01:06:41,128
in.

1245
01:06:41,128 --> 01:06:44,748
So, okay, I'm at 60 pages left.

1246
01:06:44,768 --> 01:06:46,378
It is an outpouring.

1247
01:06:46,378 --> 01:06:49,558
who was kind of a...

1248
01:06:49,558 --> 01:06:53,418
She lived all over the place growing up,
but she had this one favorite town that

1249
01:06:53,418 --> 01:06:57,638
she actually got to do her last two years
of high school in, and it was Mapleton,

1250
01:06:57,638 --> 01:06:58,770
Texas.

1251
01:06:58,990 --> 01:07:01,430
She and her husband are living in Chicago.

1252
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:05,520
She works for a lifestyle magazine and has
a really cool job.

1253
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:06,710
They have a kid.

1254
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:09,000
She decides to be a stay at home mom.

1255
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,490
Her husband's an architect.

1256
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:13,750
He gets a job that they can move to
Mapleton, Texas.

1257
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:19,230
She quickly is like, I'm going to blog and
I'm going to take photos of everything I

1258
01:07:19,230 --> 01:07:22,210
do and I'm going to be one of those insta
moms.

1259
01:07:22,210 --> 01:07:24,050
And she's like, this is a grind.

1260
01:07:24,050 --> 01:07:26,210
I'm terrible at this.

1261
01:07:26,350 --> 01:07:27,214
And like,

1262
01:07:27,214 --> 01:07:32,214
she starts getting like very invested with
these like uppity women in her community

1263
01:07:32,214 --> 01:07:34,874
and she like wants to be a part of their
friend group.

1264
01:07:34,874 --> 01:07:40,114
You know from the second page of the book
that they happen upon a dead body.

1265
01:07:40,754 --> 01:07:44,634
So that's like given away at the
beginning, you don't know whose body it

1266
01:07:44,634 --> 01:07:45,354
is.

1267
01:07:45,354 --> 01:07:50,134
And then it backtracks to her becoming
obsessive with these like society women

1268
01:07:50,134 --> 01:07:51,614
from her town.

1269
01:07:51,614 --> 01:07:56,718
And it's called the hunting wives because
she goes to this like gala.

1270
01:07:56,718 --> 01:08:02,078
and gets invited to do this Friday night
shooting club, where they go to one of the

1271
01:08:02,078 --> 01:08:07,958
women's lake houses and they just shoot
guns to like blow off steam.

1272
01:08:08,678 --> 01:08:13,638
And it's during one of these shooting
sessions that they find a body.

1273
01:08:13,858 --> 01:08:16,418
Did they shoot this person by accident?

1274
01:08:16,418 --> 01:08:18,358
Don't know that.

1275
01:08:18,878 --> 01:08:20,718
Do they suspect one another?

1276
01:08:20,718 --> 01:08:22,338
Don't know that either.

1277
01:08:22,378 --> 01:08:23,992
Who is the person that's dead?

1278
01:08:23,992 --> 01:08:28,472
don't, I would have to say, I would have
to say, but it's very, they are very

1279
01:08:28,472 --> 01:08:32,872
desperate and they report at first, or
they're kind of like, my god, they're

1280
01:08:32,872 --> 01:08:37,552
trying to set me up, they're like, don't
have any better idea.

1281
01:08:37,552 --> 01:08:42,232
But now I'm trying to tell them, it's just
like, we go streambugs for months, and

1282
01:08:42,232 --> 01:08:46,212
they just like, they throw a little bit of
prejudice into it, and it's about the

1283
01:08:46,212 --> 01:08:47,112
truth.

1284
01:08:50,932 --> 01:08:53,142
Also that cover is just beautiful.

1285
01:08:53,142 --> 01:08:58,902
it's bright blue and then it has an array
of lipsticks and bullets.

1286
01:08:59,610 --> 01:09:00,540
it's very well done.

1287
01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:04,010
I feel like that would like leap off of a
table in a bookstore.

1288
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:05,590
You would just notice that one.

1289
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:09,570
superior suspense cocktail is the tagline.

1290
01:09:10,210 --> 01:09:11,220
I don't know.

1291
01:09:11,220 --> 01:09:13,794
I was, I was wooed.

1292
01:09:13,858 --> 01:09:16,518
the Gen Z kids say, say less.

1293
01:09:17,118 --> 01:09:21,198
If you guys want to follow along with
everything that we're reading, all the

1294
01:09:21,198 --> 01:09:25,638
books that we talked about, you can give
us a follow on Instagram at Plans Are

1295
01:09:25,638 --> 01:09:26,178
Booked.

1296
01:09:26,178 --> 01:09:30,058
If you have a book you'd like us to read
and chat about or just other ideas for the

1297
01:09:30,058 --> 01:09:31,878
pod, we love, love, love hearing from you.

1298
01:09:31,878 --> 01:09:35,204
So please write to us at plansarebooked at
gmail .com.

1299
01:09:35,918 --> 01:09:39,526
And until next time, our plans are booked.