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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that didn't go very well.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, Yeah, good morning. I thought it was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be better. I thought you were able to hear

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<v Speaker 3>me more. But no, you know, the problem was these microphones.

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<v Speaker 2>Are so small and it was too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I should have lifted up. I could probably

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<v Speaker 3>do it better. Can you gargle and like sort of

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<v Speaker 3>talk and sync?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there you go. It's not better.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, at least you can sort of hear it, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, all right, that was awful for those who are

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<v Speaker 3>definitely listening.

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<v Speaker 2>There's anybody else still listening right?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Today is a big day.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a big day because Absolute is going to

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<v Speaker 3>have a big conflict.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. You'll give it away and we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to give it away a big secrets.

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<v Speaker 3>So before we get into that, we have watch segment

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<v Speaker 3>real quick that is called one Must Go.

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<v Speaker 1>We should come up with that one must Go something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it should it should be like what was the

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<v Speaker 2>big fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Game, finish him.

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<v Speaker 2>To combat. Yeah, that's what we need. We need a

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<v Speaker 2>Mortal Kombat kind of a voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Or we could do one must go, We do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's up that all right? Which one of you are

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<v Speaker 1>keeping and which one has to go away forever? So

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<v Speaker 1>what we're saying is this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is for the world, for the whole world forever. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>for the whole It literally says go away forever for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it doesn't say everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's just for me.

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<v Speaker 1>No for now.

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<v Speaker 2>See, that's where the content ones are you keeping? And

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<v Speaker 2>which one has to go away forever?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well this changes the rules. So is it for

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<v Speaker 1>us or is it for the world?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's for everybody. We're in charge of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever we make. Okay, the whole world off?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Number one, Oh my goodness, the smell of fresh cookies

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<v Speaker 3>goes away forever or the relaxing sound of rain.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet I know which one you choose.

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<v Speaker 3>I I would have to, as much as I hate

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<v Speaker 3>to say this, the smell of cookies has to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I would have thought that you would keep.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because rain is universal. Not everybody gets cookies around

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<v Speaker 3>the world, but everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Has the relaxing sound of rain, right, I mean, think

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So your choice for the world, that's what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again. No, I mean, but it's your compassion on everybody. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>your love. Yes, people don't it's not what you want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you know by now, Jeff, That's all I think

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<v Speaker 3>about is others.

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<v Speaker 2>Others. Oh yeah, that's it. Okay, Okay. I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I'll keep the fresh smell of cookies and

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of.

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<v Speaker 1>Relaxing rain just because you like that smell.

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<v Speaker 2>Smell is very powerful scent.

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<v Speaker 1>So sound sense a sense okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I will say one of my favorite sounds in

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<v Speaker 2>the world is the sound of rain on a tent.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, not a tent for me, but maybe on a roof.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's something about being in your sleeping bag on

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<v Speaker 2>your cot and it's raining outside but you're dry inside,

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<v Speaker 2>and alls you have is like a half a millimeter

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<v Speaker 2>between you and that rain. It's great.

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<v Speaker 3>H Or in your nice cozy bed and you hear

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<v Speaker 3>the rain on your rooftop.

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<v Speaker 1>The rooftop. Yeah, that's okay if you're on the second floor.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two.

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<v Speaker 3>What goes away forever? Social media or reality TV?

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<v Speaker 2>Both? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no doubt?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I picked one though, go which one? Yep? Which one?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I hate more? Reality Tv? I hate worse than.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's almost nothing redemptive in reality TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there is something redemptive on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit, a little bit on occasion. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, number three? What goes away forever? Jeff? Board games

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<v Speaker 1>or video games? Man, this is this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>it and home.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's just she's mean today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>She woke up on the wrong side of the event

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<v Speaker 2>and decided Desi rae decided she's just going to ruin

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<v Speaker 2>our lives. Board games or video games? Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>board games have to go your video game?

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<v Speaker 1>No, But again I'm thinking for the world.

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<v Speaker 2>For the world, yeah, becacause everybody has video games. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>has the.

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<v Speaker 3>Future of gaming gaming or video games. Yes, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>so the future of gaming is not board games.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a huge sacrifice, people, because Chris and his

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<v Speaker 2>family have game night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, once again, I'm thinking about the chef.

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<v Speaker 2>So do we we love board games too, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>board games are great. We like party games more than

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<v Speaker 2>board games, I think a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, all right, before what goes away forever? Jeff?

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<v Speaker 3>Road trips or plane flights for domestic trips.

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<v Speaker 2>Plane flights?

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love road trips. It's because I'm on a

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<v Speaker 2>plane all the time. That's probably why, right, Although you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to go as far, So I wonder is

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<v Speaker 2>it practical or is it for enjoyment? Enjoyment road trips? Practically,

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<v Speaker 2>I would rather fly to La than Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to do like Route sixty six. That'd be

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<v Speaker 2>fun to do once once, But the other ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>rather so once again, I'm going to road I choose

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<v Speaker 2>road trip.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to read this question as if it just

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<v Speaker 3>goes away forever, not not like semi but total. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say road trips have to go away

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<v Speaker 3>because because come on, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's your problem. Now, how long does a road

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<v Speaker 2>trip have to be before it's a road trip? How

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<v Speaker 2>would you have gotten here?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, let's let's go to a dairy queen road trip?

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<v Speaker 2>So how would you have gotten to the studio today

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<v Speaker 2>without any road trips?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how would you get to the office.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I would say, I would say, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>condition on my choice, which is we would have to

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<v Speaker 3>define what road trips are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's road trips are uh, trips on roads?

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's not it's not a trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Well so flight, it's not a train. Flights are flights

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<v Speaker 2>in plane.

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<v Speaker 1>I get news for you right to the studio. You

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<v Speaker 1>weren't taking a road trip?

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't walk through the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Define the word trip.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a traveling, it's it's the building of travel t s. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>so same thing with flight plane flights. A plane flight

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<v Speaker 2>is a flight on a plane, transition, it's a trip

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<v Speaker 2>on the road. I just think you're not able to

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<v Speaker 2>go anywhere if you get rid of road trips. All right, anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead. I disagree people. This is this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty much Chris andized life's worry about nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just can I just add that the whole

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<v Speaker 3>world would be better placed if we just had star

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<v Speaker 3>trek beam.

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<v Speaker 1>It would everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, beat me up, Scottie, Yeah, okay, all right, And

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<v Speaker 3>then finally number five, early morning meetings or late night meetings,

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<v Speaker 3>something has to go away forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the problem with late night meetings for

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<v Speaker 2>me is I get so repped up it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take me an hour or two to go to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>after the meeting. Yeah, because I just I get really,

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<v Speaker 2>my brain is going a million miles an hour. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very excited about good meetings, but I hate early morning

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<v Speaker 2>meetings too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'm gonna definitely say, without question, late night

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<v Speaker 3>meetings go away forever. Really, yeah, because out without question,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not even a question.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the reason why. Because if early morning meetings went away,

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<v Speaker 1>that would mean late night meetings would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>more of an option.

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<v Speaker 3>And in my life, late night meetings are so rare

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<v Speaker 3>that I hate them like more than life itself. And

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<v Speaker 3>uh and I think I hate them way more than

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<v Speaker 3>I hate early morning meetings.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, well you know what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go with you on that one? Okay, Okay, you and

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<v Speaker 2>I are together on that one. Yes, we are not

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<v Speaker 2>together on road trips versus plane flights.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, because we define road trips the semantics and.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not we're not together on cookies in rain.

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<v Speaker 1>Cookies and rain. Well, you know, I just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>think of everybody, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Who else was not together? Absolum and David, we're not together.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the perfect say he nailed it. That's so great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrible, it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's where we are real radio pros. Let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of road trips is about to go on.

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<v Speaker 1>A really.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're tuning in with us, David and Absolom

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<v Speaker 2>have been squaring off. Absolom, his son, is the heir

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<v Speaker 2>to the throne. He has decided, after maneuvering for about

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<v Speaker 2>eight years or so, to pull off a coup. Attempt

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<v Speaker 2>to pull off a coup against his father. His father

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<v Speaker 2>runs out into the fleas, out into the desert, into

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<v Speaker 2>the wilderness with his armies and his people, and because

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to fight Absolom. And finally it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like now, Absolom, we just read about how David's praying

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<v Speaker 2>even though I'm surrounded by ten thousand men. So now

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<v Speaker 2>he feels surrounded. This isn't was it? Psalm three? Surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by ten thousand men? And then here we are in

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<v Speaker 2>Second Samuel, chapter eighteen, and it says this in verse one.

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<v Speaker 2>David now mustered the men who were with him and

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<v Speaker 2>appointed generals and captains to lead them. He sent the

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<v Speaker 2>troops out in three groups, placing one group under Joe Abb,

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<v Speaker 2>one under Joeb's brother Abishai, son of Zuruyah, and one

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<v Speaker 2>under Itai, the man from Gath. The king told his troops,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll make no difference to Absalom's troops. They will be

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<v Speaker 2>gave his command to Joe Abb Abishai and ida, I,

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<v Speaker 2>So the battle began in the force of Ephraim, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelite troops were beaten back by David's men. There

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<v Speaker 2>laid down their lives. The battle raged all across the countryside,

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<v Speaker 2>and more men died because of the force than were

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<v Speaker 2>come upon some of David's men. He tried to escape

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<v Speaker 2>in the air. One of David's men saw what had

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<v Speaker 2>What Joeb demanded? You saw him there and didn't kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have rewarded you with ten pieces of silver

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<v Speaker 2>replied to Joeb. We all heard the king say to

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<v Speaker 2>you and Abishei and Idi, for my sake, please spare

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<v Speaker 2>young Absalom, and if I had betrayed the king by

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<v Speaker 2>killing his son, and the king would certainly find out

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<v Speaker 2>who did it. You yourself would be the first to abandon me.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough of this nonsense, Joeab said, and then he took

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<v Speaker 2>three daggers and plunged them into Absolom's heart as he

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<v Speaker 2>dangled still alive in the great tree. Ten of Joeb's

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<v Speaker 2>young armor bearers then surrounded Absolom and killed him. Then

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<v Speaker 2>Joab blew the rams horn and his men returned from

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<v Speaker 2>chasing the army of Israel. They threw Absolom's body into

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<v Speaker 2>heap of stones over it, and all Israel fled to

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<v Speaker 2>their homes. During his lifetime, Absolom had built a monument

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<v Speaker 2>to himself in the King's valley, for he said, I

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<v Speaker 2>have no son to carry on my name. He named

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<v Speaker 2>the monument after himself, and it is known as the

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<v Speaker 2>as Absolom's Monument to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there you go, three daggers into his chest. And

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<v Speaker 3>it actually says three daggers into his heart, but as

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<v Speaker 3>he dangled still alive in the tree. And then it

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<v Speaker 3>says ten of Joev's young armor bearers then surrounded absoloin

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<v Speaker 3>and killed them, which means, okay, number one, number one,

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<v Speaker 3>think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty rough way to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, listen before that, remember, remember we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>a few I think last week sometime that his hair weighed.

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<v Speaker 2>Five pounds, five pounds of hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Five pounds of hair two.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred shekels is what five pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's got this long flowing hair.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about Rapunzel or Crystal Gale or somebody where

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<v Speaker 3>it just must have been ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Troy Palomalo, by the way, the NFL Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Famers, so I think you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's face it, women have long hair, mostly correct

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<v Speaker 3>mostly and apparently so anyway. So so think here's what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to say. To dangle from your hair, has

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<v Speaker 3>anybody ever grabbed your hair and try to lift you up?

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<v Speaker 1>Even when they grab you. I've been in a fight before.

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<v Speaker 3>Where somebody's which is a terrible thing to say, but

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's grabbed my hair and like even pulled me by

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<v Speaker 3>my hair. Uh, even even to pull you and just

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<v Speaker 3>direct you when you're able to take the pressure off

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<v Speaker 3>and use your legs. But to dangle buy your hair

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<v Speaker 3>what it means. And by the way, he dangled long

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<v Speaker 3>enough for somebody to see him and then go tell

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<v Speaker 3>Joebright and then for them to travel back to the tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Through a battle. You know, he escaped across the battlefield

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<v Speaker 2>get to the general, and the general has to get

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<v Speaker 2>back with his arms.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like he's daggling from the tree for like an hour,

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<v Speaker 3>probably right, or at least at least twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those moments where Absolm's thinking, I

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<v Speaker 2>should have carried a pocket knife, right, just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>yeah with the heck r Apparently apparently he did have

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<v Speaker 2>a sword, he didn't have something.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I guess so well either way. So let's

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<v Speaker 3>not overlook the fact that the forest was apparently brutal,

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<v Speaker 3>so we can get to that in a minute. But

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<v Speaker 3>so maybe perhaps his hair, being so large, just had

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<v Speaker 3>tangled up in such a way to where he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>So my grandfather was friends with Jacques Cousteau, if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember the Great Underwater. You're telling me that before we am,

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<v Speaker 2>And my grandfather, when he was older, grew his hair

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<v Speaker 2>real long, so he had really long haired, always wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a ponytail, and then he was an explorer, scuba diver,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty well known explorer. He was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>early developers of scuba. And so he was in a

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<v Speaker 2>cave of coral and this is right before he got married.

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<v Speaker 2>He got he remarried again when he was seventy, so

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<v Speaker 2>he must have been like sixty eight or sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and he got stuck in a cave. His hair got

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in coral and he couldn't get it out, and

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<v Speaker 2>he had just noticed on his dive watch that it

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<v Speaker 2>was time to go up. He's about out of air.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's swimming through this coral cave. You gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>really careful in coral caves. You can't touch him, but

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they'll slice your shoe brutal. And he was in

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<v Speaker 2>And he's going through this coral cave and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>his hair stuck in the coral and he can't get

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<v Speaker 2>it out. And so we would go months not see him.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he was an adventure he'd travel all around the

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<v Speaker 2>world do all kinds of crazy stuff, and so we

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<v Speaker 2>just never knew who he was. And then he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>ever call. He'd just show up. He'd just show up

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<v Speaker 2>at the house. He'd stop what we were doing, hang

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<v Speaker 2>out with Grandpa for a while. Kind of this eccentric

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<v Speaker 2>old guy. So he shows up one day, his hair's

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<v Speaker 2>all gone right. I'm like, what happened. He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got stuck in a cave and had to cut

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<v Speaker 2>my hair off, and so he used his diving knife

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<v Speaker 2>to cut his own hair. So every time I read

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<v Speaker 2>this passage and I'm like, dude, he just had should

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<v Speaker 2>have had a knife, right. If he didn had a knife,

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<v Speaker 2>he cut his own hair. But that's why, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>you should go prepared. Boys and girls was not a

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<v Speaker 2>boy show.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, you could do this whole entire sermon.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just be prepared, just be prepared. And he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>What he certainly wasn't a boy scout. That's what you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. And then and so then he hangs there, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's brutal.

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<v Speaker 3>And then then job sticks three knives, not one, not two,

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<v Speaker 3>three right into his heart.

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<v Speaker 1>But somehow he still lives. And then ten people have

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<v Speaker 1>to surround him and then what stab him until he dies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is brutal. It is brutal, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they throw rocks on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, corpse, But it's it's really amazing when finally David,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Absolom pushes this fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, by the way, and then Job says, that will

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<v Speaker 3>teach you for burning my field.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the truth. He didn't say it here, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know he was thinking it. You'll punk get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of this guy Field, That's right. So these are hard men,

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<v Speaker 2>and these are extraordinarily hard times, and so the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>is just recounting what happened. But it's pretty phenomenal that

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<v Speaker 2>this guy comes up against David, his own son, and

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<v Speaker 2>David retreats. He doesn't want to fight him. David is

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<v Speaker 2>willing to abandon his throne and leave his palace and

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<v Speaker 2>go back out into the desert where he had lived

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<v Speaker 2>for so long. He would rather suffer the struggle and

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<v Speaker 2>the difficulty of living in the wilderness than the privilege

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<v Speaker 2>and the power of sitting on the throne in order

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<v Speaker 2>to not have to fight his own son. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>we know clearly David can rout his son at any moment.

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<v Speaker 2>David is so far beyond Ebsolom, so Absolom is out

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<v Speaker 2>over his skis right. He thinks he's better than he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks he's more capable than he is because he's

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<v Speaker 2>able to with a silver tongue win over a few

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<v Speaker 2>key advisors and leaders. He thinks he's better. He just

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<v Speaker 2>totally underestimates his dad. And he decides he's going to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and David decides, I'm just not going to fight him.

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<v Speaker 2>But here David is surrounded by ten thousand men. He goes, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>now's the time we're gonna we're gonna have to square off.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to, and so he begs him, please

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<v Speaker 2>be gentle with my son.

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<v Speaker 1>He has hundreds of thousands of men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean in his prayer in Ps.

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<v Speaker 2>Three ten thousand, but we know here it's hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of men, right, yeah, well it's hundreds and thousands.

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<v Speaker 3>It says, oh, it doesn't say a hundred, It doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>say hundreds of thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>It says hundreds and thousands of men, is what it says.

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<v Speaker 1>It says hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually it says hundreds and of thousands. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's worded pretty right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was groups of hundreds and groups of thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what it's saying groups is they are marched out. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're thinking, do you remember, like in Lord

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<v Speaker 2>of the Rings or any of those movies where the

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<v Speaker 2>armies march out and then sections and mark out in

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<v Speaker 2>sections and blocks, right, that's what's happening, is that here's

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<v Speaker 2>here's a here's a division of thousands, here's a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a section of Yes, I read.

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<v Speaker 1>I read that wrong, and I perceived it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a man die in this battle. But what

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<v Speaker 2>I was wanting to highlight here is he's like, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>for my sake, deal gently with this young man Abslom

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<v Speaker 2>and just David's compassion for his son even there, don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't don't don't kill him. And you know, of course

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<v Speaker 2>when Joeb finds a chance, he kills him.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and by the way, I wonder why, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Joe Abb didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Ab used to work for Saul as well, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So Joe AB has been a general underneath Saul. He's

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<v Speaker 3>been a general underneath uh David, and then uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But Joeb was an early follower of David. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>David and Joe Ab were generals together, and then David

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<v Speaker 2>leaves and job goes with David. Yeah, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>just wonder why the one the other one you're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>is Abner, Yeah, yeah, it was became Saul's top general.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wonder why somebody's so close to David's father

431
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<v Speaker 3>and to David would have disobeyed David's wishes. Is it

432
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<v Speaker 3>because he knew that his master didn't have the strength

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<v Speaker 3>to do what is absolutely necessary. If Absolom would have lived,

434
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<v Speaker 3>this would have like there was no I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think he thought he was putting a rabbit dog down. Yeah.

436
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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what he's doing, because you look at

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<v Speaker 2>Joe ab did things. Job was extraordinarily strategic and practical,

438
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<v Speaker 2>very pragmatic. Joe ab found ways to manage his boss,

439
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<v Speaker 2>get his boss to the right point, all that kind

440
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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. He's very very savvy leader. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>he just decided in this moment, David doesn't have it

442
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<v Speaker 2>any and we need to put this rabbi dog down

443
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<v Speaker 2>or this kid's going to come back over and over

444
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<v Speaker 2>because he was so talented, he's going to keep coming

445
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<v Speaker 2>back at us over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, kill me, and to be honest in order for

447
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<v Speaker 3>him to have pulled off what he had pulled off

448
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<v Speaker 3>up to this point. Again, I talked about it last week,

449
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<v Speaker 3>but super impressive. Right to build something and have patience

450
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<v Speaker 3>for four years and then to execute it in such

451
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<v Speaker 3>a manner is just it had to be completely impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tremendous talent wasted is what you have here. So

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<v Speaker 2>David is is please don't kill my son. Be gentle

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<v Speaker 2>with him. And I just see here with David. Now,

455
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<v Speaker 2>you you got out over David's trying to have compassion.

456
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<v Speaker 2>You got out over your skis you were thinking to him.

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<v Speaker 2>My sons as they got older, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>they got strong, they got really strong. But I used

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<v Speaker 2>to tell my boys all the time, there's just there's

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<v Speaker 2>a difference between young man strong and old man strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Is that true? Oh it's true, really, And my

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<v Speaker 2>boys talk about it now. So my oldest son's twenty nine,

463
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<v Speaker 2>my youngest son's twenty seven, and they still say that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a difference. What happens, man, Because if we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fight for if we're gonna wrestle for fifteen minutes, these

466
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<v Speaker 2>guys are gonna beat me. If we're gonna throw three punches.

467
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna beat them right, right. It's just it's just

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<v Speaker 2>that way, and it's the funniest thing. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>I used to tease them all the time, Hey, if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever think you want to beat up your dad,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd better bring it all at one time, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get a second chance, right, And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>they would always laugh, and it's it's always just we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have an adversarial relation. We have a very good

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<v Speaker 2>relationship as boys, but there's always that, you know, too

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<v Speaker 2>much testosterone in the room kind of thing. We're always

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<v Speaker 2>jawing at each other and stuff. But my boys say

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<v Speaker 2>that all the time. There is there's a massive difference

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<v Speaker 2>between old man's strength and young man's strength. And so

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<v Speaker 2>here we go. David has David's forgotten more about battle

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<v Speaker 2>than Absolom has ever even thought of. Right, And for

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<v Speaker 2>some dumb reason, Absolom decides to go to take on his dad,

483
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<v Speaker 2>and his dad retreats. He goes, I'm not gonna fight you.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Finally he's completely surround. He goes, okay, here we go.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, And David didn't have a problem bringing

486
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<v Speaker 2>vengeance and justice against all of Abpslom's people because they'd

487
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<v Speaker 2>all committed treason against David to go fight for Absolom.

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<v Speaker 2>But he said, don't kill Absolom, just be gentle with

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<v Speaker 2>the Absolom. And I love the father's heart there. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that was the right answer. Maybe Joey

491
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<v Speaker 2>I've had the better answer there. But I love David's

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<v Speaker 2>heart to say, you know, I love my son no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what he's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we can't.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't end our time without talking about the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the Bible just happens to say. Oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand men died that day. The battle raged across

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<v Speaker 3>the country side. And by the way, more men died

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<v Speaker 3>because of the forest than were killed by the fort sword.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a forest of ents and all these living

502
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<v Speaker 2>trees just got them and beating people.

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<v Speaker 3>Up that it was Hey, what was it? Hang on,

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<v Speaker 3>let me quote, Let me do the quote. He says, uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we just don't let little worms.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you trying to make my apples out something not

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<v Speaker 1>to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the moving trees, you try to make my apples

510
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<v Speaker 3>out to be something.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not throwing them right, I'll show you to get apples.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I don't think that's it, Okay, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's the terrain was that rugged and that difficulty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but what a holy cow, what a moment. What

515
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<v Speaker 3>an epic movie that would have made, right. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, for for somebody to be fighting in a

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<v Speaker 3>forest to where, you know what, there's cliffs, there was

518
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<v Speaker 3>dangerous ravines that were you know, just really prickly trees

519
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<v Speaker 3>like whatever, there were, Holy cow, but more men. It

520
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<v Speaker 3>didn't say a lot of men. It said more men

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<v Speaker 3>died because of the forest then were killed by the sword.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the note here for verse one says David

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<v Speaker 2>took command, as he had in former days. In recent years,

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<v Speaker 2>his life had been characterized by indecisiveness and moral paralysis.

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<v Speaker 2>At this time he began to take charge and do

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<v Speaker 2>his duty. I love that. And what happens. The army thrives,

527
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<v Speaker 2>the military thrives, A decisive victory happens. Right. Great leaders,

528
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<v Speaker 2>the leader of the families, the leader of the office,

529
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<v Speaker 2>the leader of the church, the leader of the community,

530
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<v Speaker 2>need to be decisive, not indecisive. Need to step up

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<v Speaker 2>and do their duty. And when they do, when leaders

532
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<v Speaker 2>give what leaders are supposed to give with integrity, everybody thrives,

533
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<v Speaker 2>and the team wins, right, and that's what happens here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love it. I love everything about this part

535
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<v Speaker 2>of the story, except for the fact that this kid dies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, okay, all right, Well, hey that's our time now,

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<v Speaker 3>so we will see you, hopefully next time on the

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<v Speaker 3>bubb Gus