WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.069 Hey, this is Mark Butler and you are listening to a podcast for coaches. 00:00:06.780 --> 00:00:08.320 Last week I talked about group coaching. 00:00:08.339 --> 00:00:11.840 I shared some of my concerns about the way I have seen it done the 00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:13.980 way I think it is done on average. 00:00:14.710 --> 00:00:15.340 And. 00:00:16.950 --> 00:00:18.089 I agree with what I said. 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:22.369 Mostly I woke up on Friday morning having recorded on Thursday, and I 00:00:22.369 --> 00:00:25.879 had that feeling that I get sometimes, maybe you get this feeling sometimes 00:00:26.700 --> 00:00:28.829 that something wasn't quite right. 00:00:29.409 --> 00:00:30.979 It's just this internal thing. 00:00:30.979 --> 00:00:33.250 Sometimes it wakes me up in the early hours of the morning. 00:00:33.250 --> 00:00:34.259 This time it didn't. 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.309 But when I did wake up on Friday morning, I had this sense that 00:00:37.309 --> 00:00:41.800 something wasn't quite right with how I had talked about group coaching. 00:00:44.610 --> 00:00:48.160 Now I know that I like most of what I said and I like most of the way 00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:51.990 that I said it and I think that same day I got an email from a listener 00:00:52.020 --> 00:00:59.285 who was very specific and very, Uh, Generous in her praise of the episode. 00:00:59.414 --> 00:01:01.775 She said that she thought there was a lot of goodness there and that she was 00:01:01.775 --> 00:01:03.265 going to share that with her community, 00:01:03.265 --> 00:01:07.264 and of course that kind of feedback means the world to me, I am not immune 00:01:07.274 --> 00:01:12.235 and I am not beyond enjoying the, that kind of external validation. 00:01:13.705 --> 00:01:16.745 And then I had a coaching session with a client just a couple 00:01:16.745 --> 00:01:19.055 of days ago where she said. 00:01:19.820 --> 00:01:22.010 That episode nailed it. 00:01:22.410 --> 00:01:25.540 She's a person who's done group coaching programs and enjoyed those 00:01:25.540 --> 00:01:29.670 group coaching programs very much and sees them as positive and beneficial. 00:01:31.579 --> 00:01:36.768 But she said the way you contrast group coaching versus one on one 00:01:36.768 --> 00:01:39.224 coaching lands with me, 100%. 00:01:40.274 --> 00:01:40.804 Okay, great. 00:01:40.855 --> 00:01:44.755 , I'm glad I'm grateful that my own sense of some of the value 00:01:44.755 --> 00:01:46.085 of those ideas from last week. 00:01:47.395 --> 00:01:50.815 I'm glad that, that there's resonance there with at least two people. 00:01:52.334 --> 00:01:56.255 And yet I had this unsettled feeling, like the whole story wasn't being told. 00:01:56.334 --> 00:01:58.205 I know it's not my job to tell the whole story. 00:01:58.234 --> 00:02:00.434 I know other people are telling other versions of the story 00:02:00.455 --> 00:02:02.465 that are valuable and useful. 00:02:02.465 --> 00:02:05.155 And those, those are getting attention to, and that's as it should be. 00:02:05.505 --> 00:02:08.074 But I don't like the idea that I would. 00:02:09.604 --> 00:02:14.964 Leave information out or leave my opinions out that I think maybe create a more 00:02:14.964 --> 00:02:17.294 robust view of the, of the whole thing. 00:02:18.635 --> 00:02:20.885 So today I want to talk a little bit more about group coaching, but I 00:02:20.885 --> 00:02:25.394 want to look at it through the lens of what I think is great about it. 00:02:25.820 --> 00:02:31.060 And how I think that where it's maybe not quite great yet, it could be made better. 00:02:31.579 --> 00:02:34.260 I recognize the potential for my own ego getting involved there 00:02:34.260 --> 00:02:36.769 because I'm sitting here saying, I see a thing that's not great. 00:02:36.779 --> 00:02:37.630 That could be great. 00:02:37.640 --> 00:02:41.409 And I'm going to tell you how that is, but this is a podcast and this is the 00:02:41.409 --> 00:02:43.190 internet and that's what we do here. 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.450 So first of all, a couple of huge benefits that I don't know that I 00:02:47.450 --> 00:02:49.229 called out in last week's episode. 00:02:49.564 --> 00:02:54.914 Number one is that the price of group coaching typically is lower than 00:02:54.914 --> 00:02:56.304 the price of one on one coaching. 00:02:57.375 --> 00:02:59.584 I gotta say I hate the word accessible. 00:03:00.409 --> 00:03:02.390 It gets used all the time in the coaching world. 00:03:02.419 --> 00:03:05.120 And I think the reason I hate it is that it's very often being said by a 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:11.219 person who is scared of selling a more expensive thing or scared of doing the 00:03:11.219 --> 00:03:14.959 marketing and the personal development around selling a more expensive things. 00:03:14.959 --> 00:03:18.179 So they default to this idea that I'm going to make it more accessible, 00:03:18.510 --> 00:03:22.049 which they think excuses them from the hard work of personal 00:03:22.049 --> 00:03:23.739 development, marketing, and sales. 00:03:24.125 --> 00:03:27.524 That they perceive to be associated with expensive one on one coaching. 00:03:27.675 --> 00:03:28.065 Okay. 00:03:29.214 --> 00:03:32.144 So I don't like it when I hear the word accessible in conversations with other 00:03:32.144 --> 00:03:40.764 coaches and yet what else could we call a program that costs 49 or 99 or 149 per 00:03:40.765 --> 00:03:44.824 month as it relates to a multi thousand dollar one on one coaching experience. 00:03:45.834 --> 00:03:50.924 It simply is more accessible and because of its accessibility, 00:03:51.094 --> 00:03:55.254 thousands and tens of thousands of people have gotten the benefit. 00:03:55.594 --> 00:04:02.644 Of being in a space where important topics are being discussed in a 00:04:02.644 --> 00:04:10.985 mostly helpful way that helps the participant activate themselves to 00:04:10.985 --> 00:04:14.425 make some changes in a way that they end up being thrilled about, right? 00:04:15.225 --> 00:04:18.115 They improve, they move forward. 00:04:18.115 --> 00:04:22.515 And it's in no small part because this thing had a price tag on it 00:04:22.900 --> 00:04:24.150 that was easier for them to pay. 00:04:25.250 --> 00:04:26.040 That's so powerful. 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:26.970 It's so important. 00:04:27.990 --> 00:04:31.400 There are programs like,, my friend Jody Moore's membership, my friend 00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:35.649 Edie Wadsworth's membership, you know, even self coaching scholars from Brooke 00:04:35.650 --> 00:04:38.310 Castillo, I shouldn't, I shouldn't say even, but what I mean is I've 00:04:38.310 --> 00:04:42.649 never participated in self coaching scholars and it is 300 or was 300 a 00:04:42.649 --> 00:04:44.890 month, I'm not sure it exists anymore. 00:04:46.010 --> 00:04:50.210 I haven't, I think something's going on there, I think, but I have bookkeeping 00:04:50.210 --> 00:04:55.350 clients who paid for self coaching scholars for years at 300 per month. 00:04:56.989 --> 00:04:59.150 They must have been getting something from it. 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:04.779 it must have impacted them in some positive way because 300 a month, it 00:05:04.779 --> 00:05:08.859 might be more accessible than a 10, 000 one on one coaching program, but 00:05:08.859 --> 00:05:10.749 it's not a small amount of money. 00:05:10.749 --> 00:05:11.039 So. 00:05:12.194 --> 00:05:17.604 There's something about these group and even larger group experiences that 00:05:17.604 --> 00:05:22.754 clearly is benefiting people and the comparatively lower price is part of that. 00:05:23.724 --> 00:05:29.054 And so I respect those programs for what they do, even when I haven't engaged 00:05:29.054 --> 00:05:30.864 directly with, , with those programs, 00:05:31.914 --> 00:05:36.194 you can't do a thing at that scale for that many years for that many 00:05:36.194 --> 00:05:38.634 people without it offering benefit. 00:05:40.009 --> 00:05:41.069 It's just impossible. 00:05:41.549 --> 00:05:46.749 So I respect those programs and I respect the fact that people want to pay 00:05:46.749 --> 00:05:48.149 for and participate in those programs. 00:05:48.549 --> 00:05:51.989 I think one of the biggest benefit of these kinds of programs, whether it's a 00:05:51.989 --> 00:05:57.309 multi thousand person membership or a 10 person group is that there's a sort of 00:05:57.349 --> 00:05:59.789 osmosis that happens in these settings. 00:06:01.054 --> 00:06:04.674 If the calls are recorded and then if I'm able to consume those recordings 00:06:04.704 --> 00:06:09.344 and I'm able to hear good principles repeated over and over and over again, 00:06:10.264 --> 00:06:14.344 there's this osmosis to that where it starts to seep into my consciousness and 00:06:14.344 --> 00:06:18.454 my, and my subconscious, and it starts to impact my behavior in a positive way. 00:06:20.264 --> 00:06:26.424 If you were to pin me down on the biggest benefit of one to many coaching 00:06:27.114 --> 00:06:30.554 environments, it would be that osmosis. 00:06:31.274 --> 00:06:35.394 It would be the fact that simply being in the presence of a bunch of people who 00:06:35.394 --> 00:06:38.304 are looking to improve in specific ways, 00:06:39.574 --> 00:06:44.894 changes you even without you realizing I'm for that. 00:06:47.244 --> 00:06:49.724 I think one of the reasons that osmosis can happen is because 00:06:49.724 --> 00:06:50.604 there's something happening. 00:06:50.944 --> 00:06:56.254 Liberating and empowering about sitting in a room with a bunch of people who 00:06:56.284 --> 00:06:59.614 think about these things in a similar way. 00:07:00.934 --> 00:07:03.454 I recognize that there can be an unhealthy group thing. 00:07:03.454 --> 00:07:07.784 Can I, I put it in the hands of the facilitator of the community 00:07:07.784 --> 00:07:11.924 owner and community manager to do a good job of managing that and 00:07:11.924 --> 00:07:16.724 making sure that what has this powerful beneficial osmotic effect. 00:07:19.129 --> 00:07:23.009 Doesn't become cultish and group think ish. 00:07:23.009 --> 00:07:24.919 And these things can happen. 00:07:25.149 --> 00:07:31.739 And sometimes they do happen, but the positive side of these communities is 00:07:31.739 --> 00:07:35.309 that many people who want to make changes in themselves and in their relationships 00:07:35.349 --> 00:07:42.639 and their way of being feel very alone in that when they sit in their families, in 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:49.419 their book clubs, in their churches, , in their companies, they hear the way other 00:07:49.419 --> 00:07:51.049 people talk about some of the subjects. 00:07:51.689 --> 00:07:53.409 , it can be incredibly lonely and isolating. 00:07:53.999 --> 00:07:58.309 These memberships and scaled group coaching programs create an environment 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:04.309 in which a person can say, I'm not alone and I'm not crazy because. 00:08:04.939 --> 00:08:10.939 All of these people seem to have the same desire that I have to learn and to grow. 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.209 Just knowing that you're not alone and that you're not crazy and that your way 00:08:18.209 --> 00:08:23.969 of thinking has merit to other people and they share it, that can unlock you. 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.279 You can't have some of that in a one on one coaching setting. 00:08:28.994 --> 00:08:32.274 In fact, you can have a lot of it in a one on one coaching setting as you and 00:08:32.274 --> 00:08:37.544 your coach work together to validate you, to validate your way of thinking, 00:08:37.544 --> 00:08:41.214 to find your growth edges, to confront you, to challenge you, all of that. 00:08:44.004 --> 00:08:46.614 But there's also something powerful about sitting in a room with five or 00:08:46.614 --> 00:08:51.724 10 or 500 and knowing that everyone in there is thinking along similar 00:08:51.724 --> 00:08:56.364 lines, not thinking exactly the same way, but thinking along similar lines. 00:08:57.604 --> 00:09:01.664 So for me, that's the power of these scaled coaching experiences. 00:09:04.634 --> 00:09:08.184 They are, by definition, more financially accessible. 00:09:10.644 --> 00:09:15.124 They offer a sense of community where you're not alone and you're not crazy. 00:09:15.994 --> 00:09:20.154 And in that sense of community, there's this osmosis effect where 00:09:20.154 --> 00:09:23.204 just you sit there and you just absorb it and it does impact you. 00:09:25.084 --> 00:09:27.694 Now, how do we make it better? 00:09:28.854 --> 00:09:32.554 Well, last week I talked about how I think that in group settings, 00:09:33.034 --> 00:09:34.564 there's a few things you can do. 00:09:35.454 --> 00:09:39.764 You can do teaching, you can do facilitation and you can do coaching. 00:09:42.304 --> 00:09:45.254 I do think all of them have their place in a group setting. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:51.949 For example, I think that you can improve a group experience by actually teaching. 00:09:52.149 --> 00:09:57.139 Creating an environment that encourages study, preparation, 00:09:57.169 --> 00:09:58.579 and self confrontation. 00:09:58.579 --> 00:10:03.649 So instead of creating an environment that is just consumption, And 00:10:03.749 --> 00:10:07.219 almost entertainment and, and media. 00:10:08.089 --> 00:10:11.999 An environment in which a person can come and they can just absorb. 00:10:13.059 --> 00:10:16.099 I realized I just said there's benefit to that simple absorption 00:10:16.119 --> 00:10:23.889 and I believe it, but the next level is invite that person to go beyond 00:10:23.889 --> 00:10:28.089 consumption and to go to study and to preparation and to self confrontation. 00:10:31.169 --> 00:10:35.499 And then be a great teacher of a specific philosophy. 00:10:37.339 --> 00:10:40.429 I don't think in a group setting, I don't think we should pretend that 00:10:40.429 --> 00:10:44.699 there's no dogma wherever there is a group gathered around a specific idea 00:10:44.729 --> 00:10:47.879 or set of ideas or goal or set of goals. 00:10:48.289 --> 00:10:49.369 There is dogma. 00:10:49.509 --> 00:10:55.029 It's inherent to the environment, because if we didn't have any dogma, if we didn't 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:59.109 have any shared beliefs, we wouldn't be here in that particular setting. 00:11:00.514 --> 00:11:04.064 Even if your dogma is anti dogma, that is dogma. 00:11:04.204 --> 00:11:06.924 I know this is getting a little meta and abstract and 00:11:06.924 --> 00:11:08.324 weird, but listen, hear me out. 00:11:10.014 --> 00:11:14.794 The reason you gather is because you share a set of beliefs or a set of goals. 00:11:14.834 --> 00:11:16.754 And if that's the case, then lean in. 00:11:17.314 --> 00:11:18.224 Codify. 00:11:19.384 --> 00:11:21.414 This is how we talk about this. 00:11:21.524 --> 00:11:23.064 This is our source material. 00:11:23.084 --> 00:11:24.864 Let's study our source material. 00:11:24.894 --> 00:11:26.734 Let's master our source material. 00:11:27.134 --> 00:11:29.724 Let's challenge each other on our source material. 00:11:31.194 --> 00:11:36.104 Let's self confront around the application of the source material. 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:40.959 So we go beyond just listening to the coach, talk to a person, and then sitting 00:11:40.959 --> 00:11:44.899 back comfortably and saying, yeah, she really needs to figure that out. 00:11:44.929 --> 00:11:46.899 Or, Oh boy, I don't have that problem. 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.279 Or even, Hmm, that's probably beneficial to me. 00:11:50.299 --> 00:11:51.349 I should think about that. 00:11:51.619 --> 00:11:57.469 The next level beyond that is I'm showing up to this classroom, zoom call, whatever 00:11:57.469 --> 00:12:07.139 it is, having studied and prepared and ask myself hard questions about this material. 00:12:08.714 --> 00:12:13.324 That's a way to level up the whole experience, the whole environment, 00:12:14.174 --> 00:12:18.324 actually teach and be great at it. 00:12:20.494 --> 00:12:22.384 I also talked last week about facilitation, 00:12:22.394 --> 00:12:26.844 My definition of facilitation is gathering a group of people and then 00:12:26.854 --> 00:12:30.744 as a facilitator drawing the knowledge and the wisdom out of that group. 00:12:31.044 --> 00:12:35.674 It is slightly different from teaching, the same source material. 00:12:35.675 --> 00:12:41.034 In facilitation, when I gather the group together, there's an assumption of the 00:12:41.034 --> 00:12:43.389 group's, Knowledge and preparation. 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.819 , And then we're drawing their knowledge out of them along with their 00:12:50.819 --> 00:12:52.459 personal experiences and insights. 00:12:54.289 --> 00:12:57.909 So there's no lecture and listen, there's no quiz at the end of class. 00:13:00.139 --> 00:13:07.029 There is a discussion prompt, and then there is a skilled facilitator drawing 00:13:07.069 --> 00:13:12.239 out the experiences and the ideas of each person in the room, and there's 00:13:12.239 --> 00:13:13.649 real transformation available there. 00:13:13.659 --> 00:13:14.659 There's a reason. 00:13:15.089 --> 00:13:20.609 That support groups and 12 step communities and churches. 00:13:21.489 --> 00:13:24.689 There's a reason these things have persisted for so long. 00:13:24.699 --> 00:13:29.389 It's because there's power in gathering and it's like counseling 00:13:29.389 --> 00:13:33.979 together, gathering and facilitating the sharing of knowledge and insight. 00:13:36.289 --> 00:13:37.779 So be great at it. 00:13:39.619 --> 00:13:43.009 If you're going to have a scaled one to many experience with people. 00:13:44.499 --> 00:13:45.859 Become a great facilitator. 00:13:45.859 --> 00:13:50.779 And if you want to go even a step beyond that, help participants become great 00:13:50.779 --> 00:13:56.849 facilitators and then enable them, have them form facilitation groups. 00:13:58.209 --> 00:14:02.949 Sometimes I think for good reason, the owners and the managers of these 00:14:02.949 --> 00:14:07.779 communities are worried about enabling facilitation between participants. 00:14:10.529 --> 00:14:11.629 I share your concern. 00:14:12.909 --> 00:14:16.979 I've been in these spaces a lot , and one thing I've become completely 00:14:16.979 --> 00:14:23.469 convinced of is wherever you gather five plus people, there will be one crazy. 00:14:25.429 --> 00:14:30.019 There will be one person who doesn't seem to have quite the social 00:14:30.019 --> 00:14:35.479 IQ that you would hope, and they want to dominate the conversation. 00:14:36.489 --> 00:14:40.359 They want to go off on tangents. 00:14:41.229 --> 00:14:45.509 They want to ask inappropriate questions of the facilitator 00:14:45.509 --> 00:14:46.829 or of other participants. 00:14:48.294 --> 00:14:53.064 And because of the almost mathematical certainty of that one person in every 00:14:53.064 --> 00:14:58.454 group and dear listener, if you say to yourself, I've never been in a group 00:14:58.514 --> 00:15:03.294 that's like that, I'm so sorry to tell you this, it's time to look in the mirror. 00:15:04.574 --> 00:15:06.834 There's a crazy in every group. 00:15:06.894 --> 00:15:08.354 That's larger than about five. 00:15:09.144 --> 00:15:09.394 Okay. 00:15:09.394 --> 00:15:10.084 I'm exaggerating. 00:15:10.094 --> 00:15:11.104 It's not every group. 00:15:11.569 --> 00:15:14.469 But you're all laughing right now because you've been in those groups, 00:15:14.939 --> 00:15:21.199 a face popped into your head and you're like, yep, him or, or yep, her. 00:15:22.629 --> 00:15:25.289 So the thing to do is get good. 00:15:25.609 --> 00:15:31.459 And managing the crazy, probably starting by not calling it crazy. 00:15:31.609 --> 00:15:34.489 I can do that because this is the podcast and, I'm not in a room with 00:15:34.499 --> 00:15:36.519 five or 10 or a hundred people. 00:15:37.249 --> 00:15:41.709 So I'm not calling out a specific person, but if I had a group of 00:15:41.709 --> 00:15:45.639 10 in front of me, I can guarantee you in the first session, I would 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:49.449 identify the person that I probably need to take aside after the meeting. 00:15:50.634 --> 00:15:55.584 And, and find the kindest, clearest way to say that's a 00:15:55.584 --> 00:15:56.964 little too much airtime for you. 00:15:59.924 --> 00:16:04.664 In the next session, I need you to listen more than you talk, et cetera. 00:16:06.174 --> 00:16:09.944 These kinds of conversations are not easy, but if you want to do scaled coaching, 00:16:09.954 --> 00:16:14.264 and if you want to actually elevate participants, you have to get good at 00:16:14.264 --> 00:16:19.484 the associated skills, like having hard conversations with difficult participants. 00:16:20.884 --> 00:16:21.724 It's the job. 00:16:22.894 --> 00:16:23.944 The payoff is. 00:16:24.309 --> 00:16:29.299 If you can get good at elevating other people and helping them become skillful 00:16:29.299 --> 00:16:35.599 in facilitation, now the community can actually grow beyond your ability to 00:16:35.599 --> 00:16:38.609 facilitate and to teach and to coach. 00:16:39.719 --> 00:16:41.389 I'm not pretending that I'm even there. 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.689 The reason we're having these conversations on this podcast 00:16:43.699 --> 00:16:45.819 is because I want to get there. 00:16:46.499 --> 00:16:50.869 I see potential benefits for the people I engage with and 00:16:50.869 --> 00:16:52.379 I also see financial benefits. 00:16:52.459 --> 00:16:55.679 Potentially, I'm not above wanting financial benefits. 00:16:56.994 --> 00:16:58.694 But I want to be good at it. 00:16:58.714 --> 00:17:01.614 And I want to create amazing one to many experiences. 00:17:02.774 --> 00:17:07.414 And part of that is not just becoming a skilled facilitator, but helping other 00:17:07.414 --> 00:17:09.414 people become skilled facilitators. 00:17:10.894 --> 00:17:15.624 Last thing I do think you can coach in a group setting. 00:17:17.394 --> 00:17:21.204 Here's how I would approach it to make sure that the coaching is as useful 00:17:21.204 --> 00:17:24.244 as possible to the person receiving it and to the people observing. 00:17:25.574 --> 00:17:29.894 I would create an environment in which if a person is going to be coached 00:17:29.894 --> 00:17:33.144 in the group, they've done some amount of preparation ahead of time. 00:17:34.954 --> 00:17:40.024 So for example, you might create a community wide template that we 00:17:40.024 --> 00:17:44.194 understand is the thing we do before we ask for coaching in a group setting. 00:17:45.379 --> 00:17:51.859 It involves self inquiry, and then the person brings the, the fruits of that self 00:17:51.859 --> 00:17:56.989 inquiry, the results of that self inquiry to the group, to the coach and says, 00:17:57.009 --> 00:17:59.139 here's what I've come up with so far. 00:18:00.949 --> 00:18:01.609 I'd like some help. 00:18:03.259 --> 00:18:08.059 I think, and this is just a hypothesis, I think what can happen if you do this is 00:18:08.769 --> 00:18:15.679 you get through the throat clearing and the thought downloading and the rambling. 00:18:17.164 --> 00:18:22.214 . I tend to be a person that has to verbally process a lot on my way to 00:18:22.214 --> 00:18:28.604 figuring out what my point is and what I'm trying to get help with when I'm 00:18:28.604 --> 00:18:33.644 talking to my coach, , that may be an essential part of my process, but if I 00:18:33.644 --> 00:18:37.784 were a participant in a group program, it would be helpful to me if the coach 00:18:37.784 --> 00:18:42.614 said, here's what you're going to do, Mark, you're going to take the template. 00:18:42.959 --> 00:18:44.849 And the template says, state your problem. 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.119 And then it simply does this. 00:18:48.449 --> 00:18:49.359 It repeats. 00:18:49.809 --> 00:18:50.939 Why is that a problem? 00:18:51.099 --> 00:18:51.999 Five times. 00:18:52.939 --> 00:18:56.329 So state your problem and then say, why is that a problem? 00:18:56.769 --> 00:18:57.429 Give an answer. 00:18:57.479 --> 00:18:58.399 Why is that a problem? 00:18:58.519 --> 00:18:59.209 Give an answer. 00:18:59.459 --> 00:19:00.869 You repeat that five times. 00:19:02.489 --> 00:19:06.519 Somewhere in your responses to why is that a problem will be. 00:19:07.809 --> 00:19:12.329 A very real thing that you and your coach can grab onto and talk about in a 00:19:12.349 --> 00:19:17.169 10 or 15 or 20 minute interaction in a group setting that will be more impactful 00:19:17.179 --> 00:19:23.049 to the participant than the normal approach, which is how can I help today? 00:19:23.049 --> 00:19:25.819 And then we go straight into some advice giving, et cetera, like we 00:19:25.819 --> 00:19:27.229 talked about in last week's episode. 00:19:28.589 --> 00:19:33.489 I'm not proposing necessarily what we might call self coaching. 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:39.859 In my observation of clients and people in these groups, people 00:19:39.859 --> 00:19:41.279 aren't very good at self coaching. 00:19:42.249 --> 00:19:46.049 They're just not, that's the power of having a coach, getting a coach. 00:19:47.309 --> 00:19:51.519 So if we keep the preparation exercise simpler, where we just 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.939 have people download their thoughts in response to a question, like, 00:19:55.089 --> 00:19:56.189 tell me why that's a problem. 00:19:56.259 --> 00:19:57.269 Why is that a problem? 00:19:57.289 --> 00:19:58.259 Why is that a problem? 00:19:58.279 --> 00:19:59.259 Why is that a problem? 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.299 As you drill on something like that, the person's thoughts are 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:06.689 revealed, and then we can work on those thoughts and their fruits. 00:20:07.944 --> 00:20:13.394 So summing up, there's power in scaled coaching experiences and 00:20:13.394 --> 00:20:14.974 in scaled coaching communities. 00:20:15.134 --> 00:20:15.834 I'm a fan. 00:20:17.524 --> 00:20:19.784 I'm especially a fan. 00:20:20.884 --> 00:20:24.084 If the scaled coaching community is open and honest about what 00:20:24.084 --> 00:20:25.709 it can do and what it can't do. 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:31.279 I'm a fan if the facilitators behind that community, the owners, the 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:37.359 coaches, if they decide to become masterful teachers around the 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.189 principles that the community agrees on. 00:20:41.209 --> 00:20:45.039 If the owner of the community and the coaches in the community decide 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:50.009 to become great facilitators, where they draw the knowledge and experience 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:53.589 out of the participants in a way that makes all participants better off. 00:20:55.169 --> 00:21:00.529 And if in their coaching, the actual coaching they do, if they 00:21:00.529 --> 00:21:02.769 invite people to prepare themselves. 00:21:03.474 --> 00:21:10.234 Before receiving that coaching so that it's less advice giving and 00:21:10.244 --> 00:21:14.814 more actual coaching and engagement with the person's thoughts and 00:21:14.814 --> 00:21:16.164 with the impact of those thoughts. 00:21:17.214 --> 00:21:18.754 I think it's more work to do what I'm saying. 00:21:19.714 --> 00:21:22.154 I wonder whether I would ever persuade myself to attempt it. 00:21:22.224 --> 00:21:27.644 I don't know yet, but this is my hypothesis for how a good 00:21:27.644 --> 00:21:29.618 thing can become a better thing. 00:21:29.618 --> 00:21:33.674 And I'll talk to you next time.