To the We Are More Pod cast. My name

is Alyssa. And my name is Bree. We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. We believe

that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach his word. And apparently, that's controversial. Get comfy. Hello, and welcome to episode 100.

100. That

was good. That was sound effects.

This is what happens when you don't have a sound board. Yes. You make up your own sounds, like our transition sound.

So we watch this show called Taskmaster. And there's a season where the girl does like a like an air horn sound. And she does the perfect sound. It's actively frightening.

Was it as good as mine?

It was it it might have been better. I'm so sorry.

Really rude?

There's few things in this life that I'm good at. Well, do your chicken sound? You're really good at that.

I was gonna say chicken sounds.

But I don't do well with them under pressure. You have there's a YouTube people of the world. There is a YouTube video out there of Brianna making this chicken sound from what, like, 2012?

Yeah. It was my freshman year in college.

And so if you can find it, you get a bonus point.

Yeah. I'll send you another video of me making a chicken noise. Thank you

for specifying the chicken noise.

You're welcome.

Coulda get gotten a little alarming. It goes like this.

Speaking of which, I made a list of things that I'm not good at Oh, dear. On my phone today. That was my anecdote.

Your anecdote is things I'm not good at? Yeah. I think everybody it's important to keep yourself in check.

Sure. You know? And you and I both have outrageous amounts of confidence. And we just build each other up so high sometimes that we forget that we're still human. So I made a list.

And I I labeled it things I struggle with.

And number one is putting straws into cups. You know what? That's harder than you'd think. It's difficult. I always spill the liquid.

It's especially hard with the Starbucks cups because you gotta pinch the straw a little bit. It's bad time. Don't look at me like that.

I have something we could cut out. Yeah. I know. Okay. I'm keeping it in.

Singh, social security number. I don't think that's normal.

Try to say it. Social security number.

Yeah. Mine always comes out as social security number.

And I work in healthcare, and I

have to ask people for this number regularly. And I'm always like, what's your social security number?

You did it that time.

I'm proud. I have to slow it down. And I was talking to my friend about it the other day.

She goes, I just say sosh. Yeah. Because That's probably better.

Maybe it is because saying social security number is stupid. Here's another thing I struggle with. Get ready. Writing two fives in a row.

Why? I

don't know. One turns out good, the other one looks like an s. But it's the same thing. Yep. I have a brain block.

Things I didn't know about my sister. Yeah. Writing two fives in a row. And I have to do it more than you think. And right turns.

Right turns in particular in the car? In the car? Your head?

No. My head's fine. Why right turns? I just find that curbs are often there.

Now make a note. How many cars has Brianna totaled? None of them are due to curbs, but maybe it weakened the car's immune system.

No. What weakened the car was that it was made of paper mache. We know that.

Well, this was a strange opener that I did not anticipate. Happy one hundred. Happy 100.

I just felt like I was gonna list out a 100 things.

That would be so many things.

I just started it, like, two hours ago, so

That was two hours worth

of work? No, that was five minutes worth of work. Actually, thirty seconds because I came up with them pretty quickly.

Well, anyway, Bree transition us out.

100 episodes, 100 things I struggle with, just kidding four, four score seven years ago.

We started this podcast. I meant the song, but sure. So today because we have been thinking about what we should talk about on our hundredth episode, and we haven't figured anything out.

I think Disney 100, and then I think we should go to Disney, and then my brain stops.

Yeah. It's not we didn't do great with this particular topic. So I asked the Internet. The Internet wasn't as helpful as I wanted them to be. So basically, I have an outline of, like, questions and rapid fire questions for Brie.

And then I'll answer them too that she has not prepared for. So

I often don't prepare. I know that everybody's shocked.

The thing though is you say you don't prepare, but then I'll look over it and you have seven pages of handwritten notes.

I like handwriting notes except for two fives in a row. Yeah. Well,

no one else understands that. Alright. So some of the things that we're gonna ask. We're I've got segments and everything. So professional.

Like a worm. Yeah. Like a worm.

Okay. So the first segment is how did we get here?

So just how did we get here? Where did we go?

No. So this is, like, our origin story. Because deciding to do a podcast, deciding to do it together, deciding on the topic, committing to a 100 entire episodes of it is a lot. You guys, this is two years worth of our life.

Mhmm.

And we're not like, we're we're continuing on. It wasn't like a 100 episodes and we're out. Peace out. Can you imagine if we're like, and the end? So couple of questions.

And just just go off your first instinct.

Okay? Okay. That's dangerous.

So what did you think this podcast would be when we first started?

Well, the podcasts that I tend to follow are funny. They're comedy. And so I pictured that. I pictured comedy. I pictured you being very prepared and me being less prepared, which was accurate.

I pictured wearing a lot of blazers and going to events. And so far, I have a lot of blazers.

But no events. So people out there, invite us to some events because Brie needs to wear these things.

I have one, two, three, four.

I have, like, five blazers. That's a lot. I honestly thought this podcast see, we're such opposites in so many ways because I'm sitting here thinking like this deep theological podcast.

We're gonna we're we're gonna

read stats all day long.

I pictured having a good time.

I don't know. Alright. What was the moment that you realized that there were actually people out there in the world listening to us and our foolishness?

I think when people actually in our circle started coming up to us and talking to us about it Mhmm. That really throws me off. People that I don't necessarily communicate with a lot, but are within my circle Mhmm. And they would come up to me like, they knew

me. Mhmm.

And they'd start just chatting. And they'd be about our podcast. Mhmm. And I'm like, wait a second. I don't know you that well.

So that to me was like a brain flip being like, okay, people know me quite a bit because we've shared a ton on Oh, this my god. Yeah. If you really wanna get to know me, I guess listen to a hundred hours of me I'm laughing. About like deep personal stuff. Mhmm.

And that does make you feel

like you're friends with people. Because the podcast that I listen to, I listen to the podcast called Tony and Ryan. And shout out to them because they're hilarious. They're two Australian comedians. And I feel like I'm best friends with them.

Mhmm. And it's really cool to think that there's a huge group of people out there and also all the different countries that listen to us Mhmm. That think they're best friends with

us. Yeah. I think it's super cool to because Brie and I have obviously a really close relationship. We may at some point just meld into one.

Yeah.

And in real life, we're pretty good, I think, most of the time at bringing people into that. When we're together and somebody else is there, we're pretty good at, okay, come into the crazy. And so to be able to do that with people around the world Mhmm. Is very cool.

Mhmm. That's always what I wanted. Think, circling back to the first question. Making people feel like they're part of the sisterhood

Mhmm.

And like they're just sitting here on my bed with me Yeah. And chatting it up. Because that makes you feel, especially in this community of like Christian feminists. Mhmm. It can feel very isolating.

Mhmm. And it can feel very lonely. Especially if you grew up in a conservative Christian light. Or if you're dealing with the stuff going on in the world today, you might feel very alone and very scared to make you feel a little bit less alone and a little bit more like you have two best friend sisters who are just yapping it up. Maybe in your car.

Maybe in your headphones. I don't know where we're at.

I love watching too. I'm I'm the stats person. Right? You guys know that. And so I am the one that's always on our softwares and things like that and looking at the numbers and whatever.

And so to watch when a new episode goes up and seeing you guys listening to it even before I get to it Mhmm. And knowing that you've you've made this part of your life, that you want to engage with us in this space and listen to us. That's really cool.

We're part of your weekly routine. This is our weekly routine.

Yep. Except that there's no routine to it. No. We're awful. Okay.

Was there any moment where you were like, oh crap, we said that out loud and we shouldn't have?

Home, most of it. I think when we first started the podcast, we were a lot more timid Mhmm. With our stances on things because we were also still figuring it out. Yeah. We were still very much tiptoeing into this world of feminism because we came from a background where the word feminism in and of itself is taboo.

Mhmm.

So breaking out of that and almost everything we've said. Mhmm. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Sorry, mom. Oh, sorry, dad.

I'm talking about my period on the internet again. Sorry. So nearly everything. Mhmm. One of my favorite things that I've said has been, we're all part of the body of Christ, but some are like the butt.

Mhmm. Because I think that is so accurate.

I have some great quotes coming up that I have pulled from several episodes.

So just you wait. I'm excited. I forget a lot of what I say, if I'm being honest. Because I don't go back and after we edit this, I don't then go back and listen to it. Yeah.

So I've said a world of crap.

A hundred hours worth of crap.

Yeah. Not crap. Good stuff. Good content. But I forgot.

I think it's easy from where we sit right now to listen to us. Like, if you're if you're just starting along with us or if you didn't start at the beginning, I think we sound very confident. You're right. Like, now we've grown into this. We know so much about it.

We've studied. We've researched. And we are confident in what we believe and in defending what we believe.

Yeah.

But at the beginning, we started on a journey that I'm sure all of you guys started on too of not having any idea what this world looked like. I remember reading Jesus Feminist by Sarah Bessie. And I picked it up because I thought, my gosh, there's no one else in the world that feels the way that I do Mhmm. That doesn't wanna be a submissive wife. There's just nobody else out there.

It's just me. Mhmm. And so I think, yeah, when we first started and saying this stuff out loud that I'd always thought, but I thought nobody else thought.

Yeah.

It was scary. I think when

we first started, I was very nervous because I felt like a lot of our family members were gonna be listening to it. Maybe a lot of people that I went to school with. And putting yourself out there in this light saying, this is what I believe Mhmm. Is scary. Because I was scared about hurting other people's feelings

Mhmm.

In some regard. Yeah. And then I heard this quote that everybody's heard all over TikTok, but it's stop being considerate in situations where you aren't considered. Mhmm. And so often in these spaces, women are not being considered.

People don't care how you feel. Mhmm. So I'm gonna say how I feel. Yeah. Because also that's what Jesus would do.

And I think as we've gone along this podcast, we've really gotten comfortable saying we wanna be the hands and feet of Jesus. Mhmm. Because Jesus was a radical hippie who loved out loud and loved his people. And we wanna be just like that.

Yeah. Okay. Last question for this segment. Was there ever a moment where you got pushed back for anything that we said?

Yeah. All the time. Mostly from our family. Lately, it's been we're getting too political. Yeah.

I've heard that pushback, but I think it's important because right now it's not just about politics, it's about morality. Mhmm. And we've also gotten pushback about me talking about my period a lot. Also, people are concerned about safety

Mhmm.

Right now. So speaking your opinions and speaking them loudly can put yourself in dangerous situations. Mhmm. I just don't care. Most

of the pushback that I get now we definitely did get pushback from family at the beginning. But I think most of them quit listening. So, you know, shout out, hey, Angela. Speaking of which

speaking of which, we have a cousin who wanted a a shout out.

I asked the Internet what we should talk about on this episode, and our cousin immediately messaged me. And she goes, an entire episode on how Angela is your favorite cousin. So, Angela, here you are, being our favorite cousin in this moment. Here you go.

Our favorite cousin. You can take this and clip it and put it in a card. Send it to the family.

Anyway, most of the pushback that I have gotten lately has been on TikTok because we've been doing a lot of not live TikTok, but, like, really us videos before we were doing more, like, static images or clips from the podcast. And now that my face and your face are up there and we're saying things loudly, and sometimes it's political, sometimes it's religious, I do get a lot of pushback in general. Sometimes there's actual good feedback. Not a lot. Often, it's just sort of, like, mean comments or uninformed comments.

I get a lot of comments about how they hate my hair. I think they're just wildly jealous. I have really curly hair. And that, for some reason, that is what everybody focuses on. When they don't know what to say, they're like, are your curls too tight?

I could say a lot of things about you, Karen. Come on. Yeah. I think when people feel threatened, they get stupid. And one of my greatest joys in life is being a bully back to the bullies on the internet.

Well,

we've said before, if you are a good kind person, we wanna be like your biggest cheerleaders and just your favorite people. Right? Mhmm.

But if you're a jerk,

we want you to be petrified of us.

Yeah. I wanna be threatening, and I wanna you to feel my wrath.

Mhmm. I stand behind that. Yeah. Alright. So you ready for for portion two, segment two?

Segment two of the worm.

Yes. Yes.

So these are quotes from several of our podcasts. I just sort of pulled random episodes and ran the transcripts through chat GPT. And I was like, what are some funny quotes? What are some good quotes from these episodes? Because I'm not gonna read through the transcripts of a hundred hours.

Why not? That's a terrible idea. Love reading.

I do love reading, but I spend most of my work reading. So we're not doing that now.

Okay.

Alright. So I will read them, and you can laugh or react or smack me in the face if you wish.

I don't wish to lean over.

Alright. So from our episode on Mark Driscoll, I've got a serious and a funny quote. The serious one is you don't get to be both things. You can't cause the problem and also protect me from it.

So true. And that's in reference to men in this conservative Christian space feel like they have to be the protectors of women, because women can barely turn their heads to breathe. Right? We're just so soft and meek and always under threat. But the threat is always men.

Mhmm. Always, always, always. It's men. And so they just have to protect us from themselves. Right.

Ridiculous. Alright. Are you ready for your funny quote? I think you're gonna love this one.

Yeah. Oh, it's me? Yeah.

This one was definitely you. He's a hemorrhoid on the body of Christ.

I was on a hemorrhoid kick that week because I also told

that sentence has never been uttered.

I also told the doctor I work with, he's like really focusing on something. And I said, woah, don't give yourself a head right.

You know how they say there's nothing new under the sun? They were wrong. Alright. So then next is from our episode that's called Dear Men, You're Not Listening. And this was basically us talking to dads and brothers out there and expressing what we feel like they're not seeing.

Mhmm.

So the serious one actually, honestly, the funny one I gave is not that funny. So I'm just gonna read the serious one. It says, we're not asking you to save us. We're asking you to show up.

That's so true, though. Because I feel like there are men out there in families who wanna be supportive. Mhmm. But they're not opening their eyes to the situations that we deal with on a day to day basis. And something that came out in that episode that our dad did for us,

we were at a We were at a wedding. We were at a wedding.

I was gonna call it a celebration of life. No. That's absolutely not one of us. Stops it. We were at a wedding.

And my dad said after the wedding, like, usually don't actually tune in and listen to these things. But I actually listened because I wanted to see what you guys were talking about Mhmm. Or hear what you guys were talking about. And he was shocked by the way that the woman in that situation was being spoken to. Mhmm.

If all

of those words make sense. That word salad

made sense. Women being told literally at their wedding, your dreams don't matter. Mhmm. Only your husband's dreams matter. Your dreams now are for your husband.

You're the base of the pyramid, and he's the top. Yep. You're his greatest cheerleader now. That's your role. Mhmm.

And obviously, as women, we hear this all the time, and especially because we're in this space and we've opened our eyes to it. Like, you see it everywhere. But for men, it doesn't actually impact them. So they have to put forth effort to hear it. And, you know, Mark Driscoll apparently thinks that men are supposed to protect women, but we're not asking for that.

And if men would just stop and sort of listen, I'm not asking you individually to fix the situation. I'm asking you to show up, to notice that these things are happening. And if you notice them happening and the woman isn't jumping in to defend herself because she can't or she doesn't want to or she doesn't feel safe, then maybe you see what she needs.

Or like Jodi Messina says

was it Jodi Messina? Yeah.

I think it was. She wants a man who stands behind her. Mhmm.

Not in front of or behind her. That's an old song. Alright. So then the next episode was called Like a Girl. And frankly, I don't remember what this episode was about.

I think it was probably on just the language that revolves around women. Mhmm. For example, like a girl. Like, you throw like a girl. Uh-huh.

Or don't cry like a little girl. That's what I'm assuming. Could be dead wrong. But that's a song from Lizzo.

Yes. Well, that's why it's titled that. So the serious one is what if instead of that, apps and technology thought about women first or even equally or at all? And I think that can be said about forget the apps in technology. What if society thought about women first or even equally or at all?

Very true. It's just it we are so often not thought of in the medical world, in politics, in churches, in work, in any space that we exist in, we're very rarely considered at all.

Well, for example, going back to around that time, I'm assuming that that podcast came out, there was a bunch of stuff on the internet about how there was metal found in feminine hygiene products For no particular reason. Or that they weren't using actual blood to figure out how the products were absorbing. Mhmm. Because they weren't thinking about how this affects a woman daily. Right.

Just little things like that. Mhmm. Or how different medications react to the female body versus the male body.

That kind of stuff. Okay. You ready for the funny quote from this episode? Yeah. I'm aware that pickleball doesn't have real pickles, but I just like to see people's faces.

That is so true. I was watching pickleball, unfortunately, and against my will.

You were watching pickleball?

I was in the room, and it was on the TV. And was I was like, so where are all the gherkins?

Oh, this was in New Year's.

Yeah. People got mad at me.

It is very funny. We this is an ongoing joke for us. Our family has gotten real weird into pickleball.

I think the world has gotten really weird into pickleball.

Maybe they have. I don't know. But I just I don't understand it. And, you know, more power to you. Live your own life.

But it is fun to make fun of.

Yep. Okay.

So then the next episode is teen mom featuring Mary. We actually did a whole series on Mary probably about a year, year and a half ago. This was one of our earlier ones. The serious one is just kind of basic. It's half the time.

That's all you need is just a little bit of support. And that goes back to what we said about not necessarily needing protecting, just needing someone to stand there with you.

Mhmm. In that situation, Joseph didn't have to be there. Mhmm. Oh, no. That was probably when Mary found out that she was gonna birth, you know, Jesus.

Mhmm. And she went and found her friend. Elizabeth, her cousin. Yeah. Yeah.

And she stayed for a while Yeah. With Elizabeth, who was also pregnant at the time. And I think it's just support. Mhmm. You just need someone who kinda knows what you're going through, and you can lean on each other.

And there's something really special about specifically female friendships.

Mhmm. Yeah. Have that person and be that person. Mhmm. The funny one is she was just one of the girls who just so happened to, you know, be the mother of Jesus.

Casually. You know, as you do. Just one of them.

Just the one.

Just the one.

One one of many, some would say.

Alright. So then the next one is from an episode we called the great cloud of witnesses. And this one was from our Bathsheba series, which I think is our longest series. As I was scrolling back through, we did four episodes on her. I remember that.

It was a lot of episodes.

Were you all tired of

that? Like, did you get bored? I need I I wanna go back and listen to some of these because I'm like,

what did we say? For four entire hours. That's not as long as the Pride and Prejudice with Colin Firth.

That is true. It's not. We thought it was, but it's not. So the serious one is the other people aren't being quiet. They're writing books, blogs, preaching about it, and nobody tells them to be quiet.

Yeah. That's true. People are always telling us our opinions are too loud or we should somehow glaze over our opinions to make them softer. Mhmm. To make them not so harsh, those harsh lines.

But the other people on the other side saying Bathsheba was a horror. Bathsheba caused King David to sin. Mhmm. They're not smoothing over their opinions. Right.

They're not making them softer or easier to digest. I'm thinking about donuts.

When you Google Christian Feminist or Jesus Feminist, you're looking for that book, things like that, the first, like, couple of pages of Google are just articles hating on women. Mhmm. Not hating on feminism because they don't really draw that line. It's just hating on women. And it's really sad to see.

And, yeah, their voices are loud. Every Sunday that you get up at church and you don't hear the pronoun she or her, that you don't hear women's stories. I've been doing a series on TikTok and Bre did one too where we talked about women that you just don't hear about from the Bible. Because you never hear their stories.

Women you don't hear about full stop. Like, there are so we have a giant massive book that I'm looking at on my bookshelf right now that's every woman ever listed in the Bible. Yet you only hear about a handful of them from the pulpit.

Only on Mother's Day and maybe around Christmas. Yeah.

You hear about a couple of the different Marys. Mhmm. You hear about the women that did things wrong. Mhmm. But that's it.

But there's so many women in the Bible. And not just in the Bible, but throughout history who've done things to further the kingdom of God that you do not hear about.

And God was loud about women. Jesus was loud about women and their place in his ministry. So why shouldn't we be?

Well, like you said, and like we said before, he was radical for the time. You think about the woman at the well. It was radical that he spoke to her at all. That she was a woman at all, let alone that she was a Samaritan and he was a Jewish man. There was some controversy there.

That they were alone at a well together. That he told her then, I can give you living water. Mhmm. I'm pretty much the son of God, is what he told her. That's radical.

Yeah.

Okay. So the funny one all the funny ones are you, just so you know.

Well, just because I'm the funny sister.

It's don't call me Brianna, just call me miserable.

Yeah.

So Brie has

a new name now. Something I liked about those older episodes that we used to do that focused on different women of the Bible was that we made them feel real. Mhmm. And I really liked that in the Bathsheba series. We made that situation come to real life.

Mhmm. And how would that feel as a woman in the year of our Lord 2026 going through this? Think it was the year of our Lord 2025. Or '4. It could have been 2024.

Alright. So the last set of quotes that I have is from a more recent one, and it was our Beth Moore episode, which was maybe just a couple months ago. The serious one is the church is the people, and the people are hurting. I think part of where that one came from was, you know, when Brie and I have stepped away from churches and things like that, we've always heard, well, the church is full of broken people. And that's always an excuse for why you should stay in church even if you're being abused in church.

But the reality is the church is the people. It's not the building. It is the people. And the people are hurting each other, and they're hurting themselves. So what do we do to change it?

How do we fix that?

Something you or I said, I forget, in one of the episodes is maybe the church is full of broken people because we're breaking them. Mhmm. Alyssa and I have seen that firsthand. We've been in many churches. And we've worked in many churches.

And we've volunteered in many churches. And seen the ins and outs. And there's constant cover up of abuse. And even more so now, because it's coming from the top down in our government. If you're living in The US right now, you can see it.

There is no separation of church and state. And there's a lot of abuse. And it's starting with our president, and it's working its way down.

Mhmm. So then the funny quote for that, and I'm I'm sure this one's you too, because they're all you. It says, I'm too curvy for a box.

In what context?

I don't know. I don't know. Okay. So next are some things that we have learned after a 100 episodes. What do

you call this? Segment three of the worm?

I'm sorry, yes. Segment three. Segment three of the worm. Fantastic.

Yeah. Some

things that we've learned. And I have a funny list, and we can just sort of respond to them. So first is just that the internet is a wild place.

It's a wild, dangerous whirlwind of a place. You can find anything you want on the internet. That's like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory. Wow.

I think I didn't realize a lot of I'm relatively insulated. I have, like, 200 friends on Facebook, and I don't pay any attention to any of them. And I don't have an Instagram. And, like, I just I'm not it's not that I don't look at social media. I certainly do.

But I'm not someone that's, like, putting myself out there on social media very often or on the Internet as a rule, which is odd because I'm in marketing. But as myself, I'm not doing that. Mhmm. And so suddenly, we put ourselves out there into the world. And we've had some really positive, amazing reactions, and we've had some really negative, difficult reactions.

And that's been hard because I tend to really internalize things. Yeah. And so it is. It's hard to see what the world thinks of you all of a sudden.

I think it's definitely harder because like Alyssa said in the last episode, she's very emotional. I'm also very emotional. But in different ways. And Alyssa's doing a lot more of everything. Full stop.

But she's putting herself on TikTok a lot more with these really good informed TikToks. But it's hard because I'm not that emotional with Facebook or Instagram or TikTok comments. I'm just like, I'm a loser. Let's see what we can find out about them. Let's look at their profile picture.

They're gonna

come after me. That's what I have learned about the Internet. Just a strange place. Yeah. And there like I said, there's been some great stuff.

Like, we have connected with some really amazing, wonderful people. It hasn't all been bad, but there is some of that too. Yeah. Alright. So the next one is that people are hungry for honest conversations about faith.

I think church people. And I wanna be careful with what I say because it's just a general statement. But a lot of times what I find in churches is people don't feel very real. Mhmm. There's this facade of realness because they want to get and this is from me coming from like small groups and that kind of stuff.

But they wanna get to know you really deeply, really quickly. So they pull out all of what would make a close relationship. Like, they wanna pull out all your trauma first. But none of the relationship feels very real. And real relationships, I feel like, take time.

And they're not just pulling out all your trauma. It's also getting to know what kind of coffee you like every day. And what's your favorite color and what kind of music you listen to. Just little things about you. Yeah.

And I feel like a lot of the church, you walk in and there's just these like people aren't very real. And you're right, people are hungry for real honest conversations about this is what faith really is. It's not a giant rule book. It's love God, love others. Mhmm.

And that's it.

It's actually amazing to me too when you do start to have these deep conversations that a lot of people don't believe the things you thought they did. Like, we've had long conversations with our grandma who comes from a very conservative space and to realize that on a lot of things, we're on the same page.

Mhmm.

We just didn't know because we didn't have nobody had ever had those deep conversations. And so to be able to start doing that and to really know what we were saying

Mhmm.

Has been cool. Alright. I'm gonna go for because I wanna get to the to the next one because I think it's kind of fun. Segment four of the worm? Segment four of the worm.

Yes.

How many segments are in a worm?

A lot. I don't know. I I'm not a worm scientist. There's gotta be a word for that. Wormologist.

Women speaking makes some people deeply uncomfortable. Brie talked a little bit about how we've had people say that they are concerned for our safety. And we do appreciate that, of course. But at the same time, if we were men, would that be what was being said to us? No.

We say the things that we say because we feel that God is leading us to say them, even when we're talking about our periods.

We haven't gotten smoked yet, guys.

No. No lightning bolts. And I don't think anyone would be as offended or as concerned or want us to stop as badly if we were saying the exact same things but had different genitals?

Men's opinions are often considered, I would say, like, more respected Mhmm. Than women's. Yeah. Because women are often Anything involving women is considered frivolous or uninformed or silly or just unimportant. Mhmm.

And that's just the just the underlying undertone. Yeah. Did you like that? I loved that. Underlying undertone.

Of women,

You really can't say social security number, but underlying undertone is fine?

Yeah. It's the s's, I think. And fives. Fives look like s's.

Oh my gosh.

Oy. I also was told I'm slightly tongue tied. Do you think that

could That's be probably it. That's gotta be the issue with you writing fives.

I can't write the number five because I'm tongue tied.

But I think what you're saying is really true because I have watched as like, my husband and I talk about this stuff all the time, and we're very much on the same page when it comes to women leading and women in the church and feminism. And I will watch him make the same point that I just made.

Mhmm.

And everyone in the room will stop and listen to him and say, oh, that's a great point. And I'm like, screw you. I just said that. It came out of my mouth and you heard it. I'm sure you did.

But it all it has to do is come out of a mustache mouth, and apparently, makes it fine.

That's the whole reason behind, like, pretty much the name of our podcast. Right? The value of women in the world is less Mhmm.

Than men. Even to other women. Even other women will react this same way. It's not just men reacting to women. It's women reacting to women because we've been taught that we are less valuable.

I would love to do a whole episode on just little ways that we didn't even realize we were being a little bit sexist. Here's an example. When I was in when we were in college, I fully trusted Nathan to drive to when we would go anywhere. Mhmm. I was like, oh, it's snowing.

Nathan should drive. Mhmm. Because he's a man. I've since driven with Nathan. I'm a much better driver.

Sorry, husband. Okay. So you're ready for segment four? Alright. This is rapid fire.

Are you ready? So I need you to answer overrated or underrated. Are you prepared?

Hang on. Give me two minutes to wrap my head around that.

Okay. We're gonna start with a great one. Starbucks seasonal drinks. Oh, overrated. Women preaching.

Underrated. Disney adults. These are not a single topic.

See, my brain's confusing me with overrated and underrated. Is overrated good? Is underrated good? Underrated is good. Overrated is bad.

Overrated. Disney adults are overrated? Here's the thing. I love Disney with my whole heart.

But there are some Disney adults that scare me. Okay. Yeah. But I need you to also understand that we would be considered Disney adults. We have referenced Disney so many times in this podcast.

It's like when we were homeschoolers and we

were like, no, no, no.

We're the cool homeschoolers. We're the Okay. We're Disney adults, but we're the cool ones.

I worry that everyone thinks that, and that we're still weird.

I stand by my stance.

Moving on. Biblical womanhood. Underrated. Church potlucks. Ew.

So overrated? Overrated. Like, you don't know what those people are putting in their meatballs. Oh, that was a terrible phrase.

Alright. Iced coffee in winter, underrated. Christian dating advice. Ew. You're not sticking to the format.

I don't do well with this. Was the question?

Christian dating advice. Gross. Overrated. This is going poorly.

I think it's going just as you should have expected it would.

Alright. Personality tests that tell you

who you are as a human. Overrated. Church merchandise. Ew. Overrated.

I always find it really funny when you see the person that has, like, the church hoodie, and they've got the church sticker on the back of their car and, like, the key chain or whatever. But they're being an absolute jerk? Well, there's yeah. I never wanted to put a church sticker on my car because I was like, if I flip somebody off as I'm driving

And you do.

And I do, then I'm gonna feel horrible. They're gonna blame god. Exactly. So I need no church stickers so that they don't know about god in

that situation. My toxic opinion is, okay. You're buying all that merch from the church. Hey. You rhymed.

Merch from the church. Where'd the money go?

Well, yeah. And that's a big question. Not good places. I can tell you that much. To overpriced Magazine subscriptions.

Yeah, man. Okay. Pastors writing books. Oh, overrated. I think there are some

good pastor books. Depends on the pastor. Yeah. Depends on the book. Mhmm.

Alright. Therapy. Underrated. Christian therapy.

Overrated. I'm getting it now.

I threw that one in for you. Mhmm. I'm so proud. Halfway through. Alright.

Disney villains.

Underrated. Although, I do think most people are really into it. I think a lot of people are really into it. Yeah. We dressed up as villains.

Last time we were at Disney, I was Scar. Who was I? You were Hades.

Oh, yeah. That was fun. I liked that costume.

Mhmm. Alright. Trad wives.

It

Stick to the format. Please stick to the approved dialogue. Overrated.

I think that's such a weird trend.

It's bizarre to me. Like, if you don't know what a trad wife is, it means, like, traditional wife, and it's a it's very much a trend right now for women to be like, I want to make cinnamon toast crunch for my family. From scratch. From scratch. Here.

I need

to go cut the wheat.

Or whatever they do. I don't know. And they do it

all in, like, a nineteen fifties style dress

Yes.

And heels. Yes.

Then they have 12 kids. Hear me out. If this is your passion to make homemade cinnamon toast crunch, go be you. Mhmm. But if you're doing this because you feel like that's a woman's place

Mhmm.

Or a person is telling you that a woman's place Mhmm. Is in the kitchen or in the home, run far. Mhmm.

Well, that's the issue with it. It's like, live your own life. If that's what you enjoy, do what you enjoy. But don't say, here's what works for me. Therefore, it must be what everyone has to do.

Mhmm. Because it's not what the Bible says. And there is so often a religious component to it, and I think that's what makes me the angriest.

Mhmm. Alright. Church small groups. Overrated. Why?

I don't find value in them.

I don't know.

I feel like I haven't my own personal experience with them has not been good. Mhmm. That's not to say that other people don't find value in it, but I think it's also important to get outside that church bubble and experience other people Mhmm. And other religions and other just get outside your bubble. Mhmm.

Alright. This is a hard one. Pumpkin spice season.

I hate pumpkin spice. I think it's overrated. I enjoy a pumpkin pie. I enjoy a pumpkin loaf from Starbucks. I have not

enjoy PSL. You know what's good though? I don't like those either, but I do love a pumpkin cream cold brew.

No. I don't like that either.

Those are good. You smell they put, like, the pumpkin spice on the top of the cold foam, and you breathe it in. You feel like fall.

I don't like that. It makes me feel like I'm drinking a Joanne's, and Joanne's is gone.

And Joanne's is gone, so you can't even drink it. Alright. Women setting boundaries with their families. Underrated. Yeah, man.

I'm catching on. I'm so proud. I only have one left. Okay. I have had to deal with this so often in my life, and so has Brie.

Like, I'm sure most of you out there have. Setting boundaries, holding boundaries, and being villainized for it Mhmm. Is really rough. But it's essential, especially when you look at I I know this is like a buzz phrase on the Internet right now, but that, like, generational trauma that gets passed down through families. And sometimes it is church related.

A lot of times it's church related. And to be the person that breaks that, to be the person that stands in the way and says, nope. This is going no further because I will no longer tolerate you speaking to me this way, you treating me this way, you treating my kids this way, whatever. It's painful, but think of the impact that it will have on future generations. You teach people how to treat you.

Mhmm.

And if you allow that kind of behavior in your life because you're worried about their feelings or their emotions behind it, they don't care about the way that they're treating you. Stop being considerate in situations you're not considered. Did you like how many quotes I just threw at you?

It was a lot of them. Yes. Alright. Last one. Are you ready?

Aesthetic coffee photos.

Underrated. Everybody go follow me

on Instagram. I'm thinking about changing my my username to only beverages. If you weren't here last week, Brianna has changed her personal Instagram. She deleted all of the photos, which was a lot.

I didn't delete them. I archived them.

Ah. Well, they're not there anymore. And now it's just pictures of beverages. That being said, the last two days, she hasn't taken her own picture of a beverage.

Because people have volunteered beverage photos to me. I'm not gonna say no.

Alright. Let's see. We've got time for a couple more segments of the worm. Things that we were told would happen if we started this podcast and if we kept on with this podcast. Get smote?

Yeah. Lightning from the sky. The people would stop listening.

Mhmm.

When we got a little bit too intense, when we got too loud, when we got too political.

I think there was a fear that people wouldn't know how to speak to us Mhmm. Within our family circles, within the people that we're around the most Mhmm. That we would become, you're right, too political, and people would feel like they had to tiptoe around what they said around us. Nobody does.

No. They just say the things.

In fact, they they're actively worse. Sorry, Emily. But our opinions are just as loud. So I

guess it's fine. That we lose our faith?

Yeah. Yeah. No, I would say, and I would argue, and I have said, and I have argued. Personally, I know my faith is so much stronger Mhmm. And much more real than when I started this podcast.

Yep. We just had this conversation very recently. And it's it's actually amazing to me the difference in my faith between now and two years ago because the god that I know today is just a completely different god from who I thought he was. I am looking at a god who is loving and wants the best for women as I'm doing this series on TikTok. And even reading through the Old Testament and seeing God wanting the best for women, for everyone that he interacts with.

And I didn't see that before. I wasn't taught that in church. I wasn't ever introduced to that God. And you cannot tell me that I've lost any aspect of my faith over the last couple of years. Because if I didn't know this version of god and I was looking at the political sphere right now and I was looking at what people were telling me about God, I absolutely would have lost my faith.

Well, it's so funny. I had a conversation with a friend the other day who does not identify as a Christian. She says that she has faith just in general. And she's like, what would you call yourself now? Because we were talking about church and how I'm not in church.

And I was like, I very much don't want to call myself a Christian right now because of the stigma around it, because of how much hate is tacked on to the name Christian right now. I would say I believe in Jesus. I'm a Christ follower. I have faith, but that's kind of where I'm at right now. It's it's awful because I grew up Christian.

I feel like I, you know, grew up singing the I'm in the Lord's army song. But, yeah, I want to be identified as someone who loves very loudly, and I don't mean that grossly. But

alright. Also, that we'd get kicked out of church. That sort

of did happen. Well, when a pastor yells at his wife to submit from the pulpit, I don't know so much that we got kicked out,

so much that we wouldn't dare step foot back in. We kicked ourselves out. It was a self kicking out.

A swift kick to the pants.

I kicked your pants. You kicked my pants. Because we're women, and we can wear pants. And also, I kick my own pants. You could.

It'd be really hard. You can touch your tongue to your nose.

I can. But You can do anything. Alright. So then looking ahead, as we kind of close out and this isn't something we can necessarily answer. These are just, like, questions that exist.

And that's what conversations still need to happen. Obviously, we're not done. We're not sitting here saying, like, a 100 and out. Look into the future.

Look into the future. What do we still need to say?

And what will the next 100 episodes look like?

The next hundred hours of us talking? Don't I don't even know what I said the last hundred.

I am excited going into this next 100 episodes to see where the world lands, to see where we as people land. Because I see us growing in really big ways and hopefully being able to be parts of your life that you find valuable and whatever that looks like. Let us know what you wanna hear because we wanna talk about those things.

Yeah. Your thoughts, feelings, and emotions are important to us unless your thoughts, feelings, and emotions are awful, in which case we might bully you.

Do we give you, like, whiplash sometimes? I feel that we might be confusing.

I would like to spend some more time learning about the women of the Bible Mhmm. That are less known. And I would like to spend some time taking some actions Mhmm. With our faith and going out into the community and being the hands and feet of Jesus.

Mhmm. I would say expect more of what we've been doing all along. Yeah. We're not about to get less political. We're not about to get less intense.

I mean, look

at the trajectory of where we started. Where we the very first episode is shameful. We have one microphone that we were sharing at the We were passing back and forth. We were talking like this because we were scared. And we've only gotten crazier.

And louder. Crazier and louder. So what is the next hundredth We're episode to gonna explode.

On what Brie wants to talk more about, next week, because we are continuing on, we are gonna

be talking about

Hagar. And actually, we have to record that tomorrow morning because Brianna's abandoning me for the next week. She is her story can be found in Genesis. She was a slave to Abraham and Sarah and was the mother of Ishmael. And her story is not one that I had ever heard until I started doing research on her, but is really kind of amazing coming from, like, a Christian background where we kind of heard of her as a problem.

She was an issue, and she caused problems. So I'm excited to tell a very different version of her story. And yeah. And yeah. Happy 100.

Happy 100. Disney 100. We are more 100. Should I oh, should I steal Disney one hundred's logo? Do you think they'd appreciate that and, like, add us to it?

It's the Disney one hundred where they zoom in on the castle, and then you and me are, like, hanging from the rafters.

I think that'd be good. I think they'd like that.

Yeah. I also was thinking wow. I can't stop talking today. Just thinking, We Are More, W A M, Wham. These are people who listening to this podcast could be called WAMers.

I

don't think they'll like that. WAM 100. Alright. Well, we'll talk to you well, we'll talk to you tomorrow. You'll hear from us next week.

You're welcome. Thank you for being here for a 100 episodes, if you've been here for a 100 episodes or however many you have been, and we hope you'll stick around for the next 100.

We love you wherever you're at. You don't have to listen to all 100, but I highly encourage you to.

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