In this episode of Walking the Talk, Robert Lloyd Griffiths OBE is joined by Jessica Shipman, Chair of NatWest Cymru, for a walk up the Cribarth mountain in the Bannau Brycheiniog. Jessica shares her personal journey into leadership, shaped not by a single defining moment, but by the people, experiences and challenges that built her over time.
She reflects on stepping into senior roles, and learning that leadership isn’t about having all the answers - it’s about showing up with authenticity, active listening, and creating space for others to thrive.
Rooted in a strong sense of community, Jessica talks about the responsibility that comes with leadership, and her commitment to using her position to support others and make a meaningful difference across Wales.
*Recorded in October 2025
What is Walking the Talk?
Walking the Talk is the leadership podcast from Call of the Wild, that steps outside the boardroom and into the real world. Hosted by Robert Lloyd Griffiths OBE, in the heart of the Bannau Brycheiniog, each episode features a walk-and-talk with a leader who’s not just talking about leadership—but living it. From career-defining challenges to personal reflections, this is where leaders open up, in motion and in nature.