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Hello gut check project fans and KB MD health family I hope that you're having a great day. It's now time for episode number 60. Soon to be joined with my awesome co host Dr. Kenneth brown board certified gastroenterologist and we are digging in to my colony Yes, kicking it off to fun guys talking about fun Gus so let's get straight to it. I think that you will really like the series which we are about to kick off So with no further waiting let's get into the people that pay the bills are trying to get your daily polyphenols and artron to go to love my tummy.com slash KB MD. Get your very own polyphenols from artron to love my tummy calm today. Second, of course go and feel like great food. Don't forget that you can always head over to unrefined bakery calm or you paleo eater. You can't tolerate gluten you want just some great bread but you're worried about the way there's gonna make you feel unrefined a bakery, take 20% off your entire first order it unrefined bakery.com use code gut check and save 20% for your entire first order unrefined bakery.com And last but not least, head over to KB m d health.com. For your very own Dr. Brown signature packages artron teal CBD from KB MD health as well as the only professional curcumin added to broccoli. That's right so if you're feigns for you, your health use code GCP for 20% off of any order a short intro because we're kicking off an awesome series here no guest today so we're going to get straight to the to the information for about mycology and fungus. There's over a million different types of mushrooms which you may or may not be aware of, however, does tune in Episode 16 starting now.
Hello KBMD health family and gut check project fans. It's time now for Episode Number 60 with my awesome co host here, Dr. Kenneth Brown. I'm Eric Rieger. Dr. Brown, I think with this episode number 60 we must be a couple of fun guys.
that's a that's a pretty good pun. Because today we're talking fun guy.
We are talking about
mushrooms. So we're it's pretty exciting. I was watching on Netflix of a show called fantastic
fungi. logs. It was talking about that.
Yeah. And so a lot of people if you get a chance go and take a look at this. Paul Stamets I learned about this pre COVID when Paul Stamets went on Joe Rogan. And at that time he was talking about it and they're trying to raise money. So I rent or I purchased the movie, sure through Amazon Prime or one of those and watched it. Because they're supposed to go to various locations and show it at theaters like yeah, like in like in really cool locations, and outdoor theaters and stuff like that COVID hit, didn't get a chance to do it. And now it's on Netflix so you can see it. It's great. But what it does show is just how complex fungi are and the whole kingdom of fungi, which includes the mushrooms, which everybody thinks of them as mushrooms, and we're gonna get into that a little bit. But today we're gonna talk about that and not just kind of what they talked about. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in the medium right now about magic mushrooms and different things like that. But we're gonna talk the nutritional aspect, because an article just came out recently and I think you're gonna start seeing a big push of people discussing Well, how do we use this as a functional food, and that's what I want to get into today.
That's huge and interesting, because growing up, I think that my only exposure to mushrooms were if they happen to come in a soup or if it was a you know, a portabello or a baby Bella or just a traditionally a white Texas mushroom and really didn't know much else than if they grew in the yard. And of course your mom was like, don't touch those are probably poisonous. So I I think it's kind of amazing how people kind of transitioned on this is actually something that can be very, very beneficial given the right circumstance.
Absolutely. It's so cool. There's so much science with it. And you're right like it could be poisonous. Unfortunately, a good friend of ours, Dr. Rusev, Ron, a gastroenterologist in San Antonio, if you're anywhere in that area, make an appointment with him. He's amazing. His chocolate lab ate a skullcap I believe in cause liver failure. And his poor dog is really close to his dog and so that happened to our pig.
Oh, that's right. Snoop hoggy, hoggy,
hoggy hog you have pig we
did and Snoop Doggy hog a to death cap and it's very sad but it literally followed the the timeline of what happens when a mammal
eats exists. skullcap or death tap is a call to death camp.
I was assuming skullcap was another one I didn't really know but
I'm barely getting into the one You can eat, let alone a boy,
but you're not supposed to. So they, I think the death caps, at least in Texas, they'll follow the tree roots of oaks or post Oaks. And we've got a lot of okay. And so we're where we lived at that time. And so he was kind of lethargic for a day or two. And then there was about three days where he was really energetic and hyperactive. And I hated to see it, but it's almost like there's this turn, it's about a six to seven day rule. There's not a lot he knew.
Regardless, I was just sitting there this morning, actually, this morning, I was doing the like news feeds. And of course, something always makes it up on Reddit. There's a woman in Taiwan where her landlord won't fix the leaks. And she was showing pictures of her bedroom, where the leaks are coming down to the wall. It's becoming a whole wall. It's a mushroom growing apartment, Natalie. Yeah. And she was just showing it's just like strips of mushrooms. And you know, it was getting a lot of comments, like if you you know, is that this will, if that's that, then you can eat it. And that's good news. And other people are like you're just breathing in spores. Pretty sure. Not the best place to have mushrooms all over your bedroom, but it is part of it.
I don't know if it is or if it
isn't. We'll get into all of this about the beneficial aspect of mushrooms. This is not a show about what what mushrooms can kill you. We're going to talk about how you can utilize mushrooms for your overall health benefit. And I was blown away by how healthy these are like people aren't talking about it. I always thought mushrooms were just something to add texture. And she didn't really think much about it. No. Now, this is really cool, because we're going to even sample a mushroom dish that has the nutritional value of this is pretty cool.
Yeah, I'm excited to sample it again.
Speaking of cool, yeah. I want to give a shout out to the wonderful Dr. Christian mill vilem you're that's how you say
Oh, yeah, last guess. Yeah,
yeah. Kristin. Well, she did something really cool about this now, and she sent us signed copies biohack your brain your Eric says right there dear Eric, left a little message for you. biohack your brain on our last episode Episode 59. Dr. Kristen, it's it's spelled Willem here. It's pronounced the villa Muir, PhD super smart, fantastic woman she sent us both signed copies of biohack your brain. And I think she's gonna end up coming out with addition to after she hears this episode, because I think we can help even biohack your brain more with these mushrooms.
They are amazing. Thank you, Kristen, this is this is a very, very nice gift. And I mean, the feedback from that episode alone is really kind of amazing and ongoing. And people are are wanting to learn from her book because we referenced it. But yeah, she's
a smart cookie. And a study just came out today, sort of verifying everything she has in this book study just came out with a huge, huge number of people that showed those people that eat flavonoids, which she discusses correct in her book, significantly decreased dementia later in life. Oh, we talked about polyphenols all the time. But today we're going to come off the whole polyphenol thing and talk a little about mushrooms because I'm just excited. I feel like we're kind of pulling the lid off of this whole mushroom thing, the way that we did with polyphenols, and we keep getting deeper and deeper. Let's
do it. I'm ready to learn.
Yeah. Let's go ahead and jump in. Before we jump in really quick. I was just thinking about this. I I have not seen Mac or Murray around. And just it's odd not to see them or they did everything going okay with Mark and Murray. They are alive. Okay. And they are not in the country
wasn't as in the United States. They are in a country. So everyone is I mean, everyone's susceptible, I guess. And as a family, we took a trip to Panama the country on
average on the news, those vacation trips look amazing, man, that
is great trip. I mean, it really wasn't wonderful family vacation. And we, we we weren't trying to go around crowds. Unfortunately, we we did have to go through an airport. So I'm assuming that possibly that's where the infection took place. But I don't I don't know. No one knows. But all four of us flew in to Panama City, we immediately get to a rental car. And we drove five and a half hours deep into the jungle down to this whale peninsula. There we served had a great time. And then we set up a test for us to be tested outside of the Panamanian International Airport at the tocumen Airport and we were advised that Be sure and do it outside of the air. Because if someone happens to be positive, you can then quarantine yourself, and then schedule your own subsequent tests to come back. So we did that. The other problem was is when they called to give us our results, we were already in the airport, we didn't realize that there was that caveat. So when informed that Mac was positive on his antigen swab coach that I said, well, do we need to leave? And they basically, we were informed Well, you're already on camera. And you're there. You got to stay. So essentially, Mac was was COVID positive, the pain could have any symptoms. 00 nada, no, no fever doesn't doesn't feel bad. But he and since he's only 17, and not 18, that meant that a parent had to stay. Fortunately for us, Murray does all of her work digitally, almost. And she's able to stay with him. But they are in a hotel room until the end of this week.
Did they get to choose their hotel room that sounds neat wasn't necessarily a choice.
Wasn't a choice at all. And they are only in the room and Reid and Mack both deserve huge credit because they've kept a great attitude. I don't think I could have pulled it off. But she she took some funny videos when they first got there because when they get their meals, they either flash the lights in the room or they buzz their room and tell them that they can go down the hallway. And this is a this is a very nice hotel. The hotel is not old at all. It's very brand new. It's brand new.
It's so it's a Panamanian, COVID Hotel, that's where their quarantine all visits
are seven nice hotels that are quarantine for visitors currently. And they they didn't have to walk down the hallway and then an unmanned elevator appears with their food Emory took a picture of is a very Stephen King. Yeah,
it sounds like a horror film. Yeah. They're waiting for two little girls and triceps
to shine. And I think I think if only for you know, five days, it would be kind of funny. As we're approaching 14 days, no one's really laughing much. You come home,
I say on the news, because all my employees I showed up to work and they're like, Hey, we saw Eric's family. And like you didn't see the whole family.
Yeah, just just just half. But does read it and re gave him pictures. She was contacted from a local affiliate, because I think it could be wrong, but I think she has a client who has a connection. They reached out to them and, and Mac and Maria, both good sports. And they went along with it. And I want to say just like they did, the Panamanian people, wonderful, this is very little to do with them. We're not above anybody's protocol, we went with exactly it happened. We thought we were being cautious. And, you know, we're we're still going to enjoy ourselves as a family. That's what this is the risk that we took.
I think it's and I think that's great. I think the lesson here is if you're when you come into a country, you have to be COVID negative, and we're all getting used to taking those tests before we go. And then when you leave at least do it a day or two before so that you don't have to be part of the governmental process. Yeah,
it's there's a couple of lessons certainly in there about the way to handle it, just simply because of the the way the bureaucratic rules are. And it's it's no one's fault, who's who's necessarily down in Panama. However, that being said, you know, would we have traded in the vacation in the time that we guys are family to tonight ever have those experiences? I still say no. Yeah.
And so when that those, those pictures were amazing. The Panama just looked absolutely beautiful.
Yeah, it was nice.
anything going on with you personally, sides spending all your time trying to figure out how to get stuff to them in
Panama. Oh, man, that was not very much fun. Everything is kind of pales into comparison. where lots of work and that's enough. Self well, because you got something coming up with you got a young one that travels.
So this is relevant. So Lucas had a really good showing at one of the largest tournaments of the year called the qaiser tournament in Kalamazoo, Michigan. him and his partner, Nico godsick won the doubles. Awesome. And then he made it to the finals unfortunately didn't pull it off because the winner gets to go to the US Open. So didn't quite but still huge bracket 250 some kids the best in the country. And he made it to the finals. So super proud of him.
But your son also overcame in the semi finals, a six one loss in the first to come back and win the next two. Correct?
Correct Yeah, so in the semi finals, he came out a little but it just shows the caliber of play that's out there. If you don't have your game face on, you can or if you're just not firing on all cylinders, and you know he's playing two matches a day, every day for whatever seven days in a row. pretty wild and really cool to see that that level. We'll play they streamed it online. So I was able to watch these matches and you know, and love that my son was able to give a very gracious and appropriate loss post loss speech afterwards where they kind of hand the mic to you and you kind of get the you understand what it's like when you you miss out on something you want so bad, they're like, okay, that's great. Hey, what do you think about that? Put a mic in front of it, I think if the Naomi osaki stuff that's going on, and how the media stuff but so super proud of him. And we'll see what what goes on. He's gonna be doing some international traveling. And so we had a long talk about what makin Maria going through and how we're going to do the testing now and how to make sure that you cover your bases and how to prepare that if you have to stay for an extra two weeks,
I will say gauge when we when the news broke that, that some people were going to have to stay because of quarantine gage was obviously negative. And he looked at us and he said, Well, I'm getting on the plane. So he is back at his back and luck attack and getting ready for the fall semester. He's looking forward to just having a fall semester where they actually go to class
like it like a real college experience. Yeah, yeah, totally. super proud. Carla's taking tennis, serious enough that now she's going to do online school. So she's joined the what I guess the more competitive group at the legs where they practice in the morning stuff. And so she's doing some fun fitness. This is the only thing she came home. And she was like, yeah, that had this fitness guy. And he's talking about fast twitch muscles in doing this and explosive power. And we're doing all the exercises that you make me do. I'm like, I'm telling you. Yeah. You guys think I don't read? I mean, I'm not telling you. Just because I'm a country, but doctor doesn't mean I can't at least read some stuff on sports performance. Yeah, I'm
learning that parents don't always get the same credence design.
So Well, I think Dan is up to speed here. That's been an interesting week that you've had. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk mushrooms that. Alright, so I want to talk a bit about the nutritional value of mushrooms and the effects on the microbiota. We always talk about the microbiota and I had no idea that mushrooms and factories very little in the literature about this, about the effect on our gastrointestinal health, okay, through mushrooms, we'll eventually get to that. Before we do that, we got to talk the mushrooms, the beautiful mushroom that everybody thinks about which is the fungi. The actual thing is, this right here is the cap. Mm hmm. Underneath the cap, you've got these gills underneath that you've turned a mushroom over and seeing the little lines that are there. And then below that is the is the basically the stock or the stem. And then beneath that you have the mycelium. What you'll learn if you watch fantastic fungi is that it's all about the mycelium, this that we eat that we think are mushrooms. This is basically a sexual origin, as they call it, fruiting fruiting. It's the fruiting body. underneath those gills right through here is where all the spores are made. And I remember what was his name that we had in the podcast that knew everything about mushrooms. Oh,
that was early on.
Cooper Reed Cooper read, talked about it like it just flowed off his tongue and I was like, what's he talking about? He used the word gills spores mycelium and I'm like what? Well, the mycelium is fascinating because that's basically without the mycelium. We don't exist. The mycelium is it's so cool, just watch fantastic fungi. But we're going to talk about the fruiting body right here. Because this is what we know more about mushrooms about what's going on. underneath here are the spores. They release trillions and trillions of spores, you actually breathe them in. Whether you know it or not all the time. We live in harmony with this organism. It's not a plant. It's not an animal somewhere in between. and we exist because of this. Yep. And I had no idea that this fruiting body is so good for you in so many different ways. So that's what I want to talk about.
Let's do it.
Alright, from a nutritional standpoint, you were we were working today and you're like you know, I hear all this stuff people throw out names and you hear things and gnocchi should tacky and you know, criminy and oyster and all these other names of mushrooms are some really cool names also Reishi Reishi lion's mane, but then there's like, I mean, just really wild ones. If you watch the Netflix special, he just starts rattling off purple headed dragons and things like that. It's there's over, I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm gonna get all this wrong, but 1.5 million different species that we've identified.
I do not know that. It's
like some crazy number like way more than plants and everything. So from a nutritional standpoint, that's what I want to talk about today. And because we don't want to have a few other experts on to discuss some of these other aspects, but I've always kind of viewed mushrooms as just this filler that you just put into soups. Yeah. Or Whatever it is you want to do salads, it just adds a little bit of texture to things. So I pulled the nutritional facts of a few mushrooms very, very common ones, brown mushrooms, also known as crimini mushrooms. total fat is zero, total cholesterol is zero. Total carbohydrates is four grams. Protein is two grams. And the fiber content is point five grams, which is 2%. So four grams carbohydrates, but point five of it is fiber. Then you go to pataky mushrooms, which you'll find in Asian food all the time. And same thing about cholesterol and fat. That's the same process. This one also has two grams of fiber 12 grams of carbohydrates. And then oysters, oyster mushrooms, it's got two grams of fiber as well protein three grams. Now the aspect which I was unaware of, is the incredible micronutrients in it, it's one of the only ways to get vitamin D. Outside of Sunlight, sunlight, wow, it has a significant amount of selenium. In fact, a small serving of crimini mushrooms which would be like five small mushrooms is 31% of your daily Selenium that you need. And we have a hard time getting Selenium in our diets. That's actually why I eat like a Brazil nut three times a week just a pecans, yeah, to try and get that in. And then other nutrients like copper that you don't think of zinc, potassium, thymine. All of these things, and even iron are in slightly different, very slightly different concentrations of these different mushrooms, they're all slightly off. But the micronutrient component of this is incredible. Copper is one that I don't really pay much attention to. But then I realized, well, it's part of a cofactor in a lot of different things in your body it is. And so that is the mushroom content, or some of the nutritional values of some of the more common mushrooms. So if you're going to take these mushrooms, make a stir fry or a soup out of it, all you got to do is put five of these mushrooms, five of each kind into whatever it is. And what you're going to end up with is a total of 100 calories, no fat or cholesterol 4.5 grams of fiber. So that's 70% of the fiber that you need in a in in your whole day. six grams of protein. So for me 200 pounds, somewhere around point eight grams per kilogram, so slightly north of 70 grams of protein, I get six grams just in the mushrooms nice. And that's kind of what I aim for is around 72. But the real key to these are the micronutrients. It's like 64% of your daily Selenium 64% of your daily selenium, a ton of vitamin D and a lot of B vitamins that I didn't talk about before, along with copper, like we're talking about. Okay. So learning about this. We had a little bit before we started the show we Diego couldn't resist honestly, what we did is we made a basically it's kind of I don't know what would you call it a saute of. Number one, it
tastes incredible.
So with this in this, let's let's call the stir fry. In this stir fry, there is half a pound of grass fed grass finished meat, we have half a bag of spinach. There's those mushrooms that we discussed in those ratios. And what this comes out to is that with the grass fed meat, the spinach, and this doesn't include the nutrients from the onions and the other things to add a little bit of flavor onion, garlic, the zucchini, you're going to end up with 30 grams of protein, you're going to have 6.3 grams of fiber. Well I should break it down the meat is 30 grams of protein, you add the spinach, that's 6.3 grams of fiber, eight grams of protein and 50% of your potassium. So you put the mushrooms end with this and this little bowl here, which we're gonna take a bite of altogether is the bowl with a little bit bigger when we started. It's 500 calories, 11 grams of fiber 45 grams of protein and like 90% of the micronutrients that you would need in a day. Mushrooms, spinach meat, so take a little bite here.
It is quite tasty. I'm gonna let him bite so that you're not just sitting in silence while we chop. But kids has a little bit of hot sauce on the top which I had some earlier with it and it's also delicious. But all I can say is it's fantastic. And I'm a creature of habit I can easily see myself doing this
every day. So I would like to take credit for this. All I did is add the mushrooms but there are this is kind of a Kind of a staple in the bodybuilding world I didn't realize I started reading about this is what people will do this is they'll put spinach and meat. And they will use this for the whole week because then you add the mushrooms and now you've got the micronutrients. This is essentially a two bowls of this and you're done with all the protein that you need, all the micronutrients that you need and all the fiber that you actually need.
So and to be fair, I would say for some eating mushrooms sometimes is an acquired taste. And I don't I don't know that feeling because I don't remember a time of not liking mushrooms. But I would say that this is this is a dish that I would say is not heavy and mushroom flavor. When you when you agree like the way that it's kind of salted and put together definitely
it's almost hard to distinguish what is mushroom? Because they're so finely chopped. What is mushroom? And what is me every minute. You asked me
to kind of describe what are the and then you throughout the stir fry. But it's almost kind of like a super healthy stroganoff. It's kind of like a beef. stroganoff taste. Yeah, without strong mushroom tastes at all. And
I mean, I don't know, I think it's delicious. If I were to sit there if you're trying to watch your weight, and want to make sure that you eat healthy or even if people with intestinal problems. A lot of people can't handle gluten and a lot of people can't handle some some starches, which can result because of what we work in CBOE IVs. That can make it worse. This can be a very tolerable thing. And one of the things I really like about it is that you can get your body used to a certain thing every day. Yeah. And then you can start expanding your diet a little bit.
Yeah, I mean, it's really good. It's very, very clean. Like it's the the fullness that you get just from the the natural fat and protein that's in there is is noticeable. So you, you probably won't overeat it, you'll feel satisfied, and you won't have a letdown because there's not a bunch of high carb sugar content inside.
So let's talk about that. Why is this so satiating? Well, in on the Huberman lab, he talks about how your body your vagus nerve, actually sends an immediate signal that when it has reached a appropriate fat and amino acid content, that's the key here. So when you have a food that has a high amino acid content, and then in addition to the micronutrients, there is a immediate signal that sends to your brain and it turns on a hormone called leptin, leptin tells you that you're full, it's the exact opposite that happens in the food industry, which very highly processed packaged foods, they purposely make it with the emulsifiers, that it actually with the most fibers that make it shelf stable, but the emulsifiers actually do micro damage to that nerve. And that signal gets lost. So instead of turning on the unfold hormone, it turns on the I'm not getting enough nutrients called ghrelin, and you get hungrier, which is why you can eat a whole bag of Fritos or whatever your whatever, your crappy chip crappy chips or anything. Yeah, they the food industry hires PhDs, to figure out how to make it so that you will eat more of what they're making. If you're still hungry, you're still buying more products, because you're rifling through whatever they just sold you. So really simple way if you're fighting, I'm not gonna get so far as saying you're fighting food addiction, because I think that's a whole separate deal. But if you are somebody that fights cravings, a really good idea is to have something like this on hand, eat a cup of it, and then wait 15 minutes, then open up whatever device that you feel necessary that you have to do, because you're gonna end up eating less of it, because you've already turned on this hormone that says we've had enough.
Yeah, I agree. It makes sense. I mean, quite honestly, when I was much younger and coming out of college, I didn't have the best eating habits. I would say I was I was falling into the pattern of being an overeater because I wasn't satiated. What was
that crap that you would you would eat like a Yoo hoo. When
I was in college, yeah, it was called a milk jug. milk jug and a fried pie. I can't believe
mill, chugging fried pie and now we're talking
about chugging a five pie or sometimes I get a package ding dongs. Was that was the pinnacle health.
So the package ding dongs are there to make you eat more ding dongs that is for sure. And the nutritional value is essentially that's that So today, we were you were like we're gonna talk mushrooms. I'm like yeah, I want to talk mushrooms. let's get let's get into this. And first thing you said is you know, I hear these names, but I don't Is there any science on this? Or is this just people saying oh, you should eat Reishi or Lion's Mane or, or whatever. I think Chagos is another one that people always talk about in all these different ones. corta seps as one.
Sure. And how are we quantifying how I quote Find what we're measuring, and how do we qualify that the data is real. And it's we do that a lot.
So it fit in perfect. I'm so glad that you asked that today, because one of the reasons why I wanted to do this particular topic is because a study just came out not too long ago, like a few weeks ago, on in the Journal of functional foods, and the title of the study is the role of dietary edible mushrooms in the modulation of gut microbiota, right in our wheelhouse. Definitely. So how do these mushrooms affect your gastrointestinal tract? And how do they affect your microbiome? So that's what we're going to cover today. And it's really cool, because I learned a lot. They they're so powerful. And I mentioned earlier how we pulled the lid off of polyphenols. There are so many similarities in a different lane. Nice. So we talked so much, we've got so many episodes where we talk about the innate immune system, we talked about the adaptive immune system. In relation to polyphenols, we talked about the how the polyphenols will increase the diversity of your microbiome, how polyphenols get broken down into post biotic, anti inflammatory, anti aging products. And this is all based on the science of these PhDs who've shared with us their brilliant work, right? This is when I started reading this, I'm like, Oh my gosh, they're saying something so similar by a different mechanism. So let's just jump right in. This is a super sciency article. So I'm, if I get too weird with it, you know, dumb it down and come back because it's, it's really complex. It's equally complex as the first time we were discussing the policy and also Yeah, if you look back, we did an episode with Sylvia, Sylvia Molino, and her research was just insane. It talked about how she took these complex polyphenols that are in our trunk to the kabocha in the horse chestnut, and she showed that they get broken down into smaller phenolic compounds like ecgc, which is green tea extract and light course attend and these different things. They didn't get into how the mushrooms do this, but I suspect it would be something quite similar. Yeah, through a different arm because these aren't polyphenolic compounds, the same ones that we're talking we'd have to find a fungus Silvia, we would have to find a fungal equivalent of Silvia correct. So it's very sciency. I'm gonna try to cover just some highlights of certain types of mushrooms, some of the more common ones that you may have heard of, and they're it's very complex, but these mushrooms have a wide range of constituents like things called glycoproteins polysaccharides phenolic compounds, and tri terpenes. Okay, so we're talking about terpenes when we're talking about CBD and cannabis and things. Yeah. Alright, so the first one that they covered was Reishi. Now Reishi has been well known for its anti inflammatory, anti tumor, something I didn't know acetylcholine esterase inhibition. So we talked about that when we looked at the the the episode with Angie, what was the title of that one? Anyways, when we talk about dysautonomia, acetylcholine has a big role. If you read biohack your brain she's got supplements to increase your acetylcholine, they do that by decreasing acetylcholine, esterase. And ratio has significant anti allergic properties. So what these team of scientists did, and this is out of China, where mushrooms have been used for ever, so it's it's more widely accepted that that is a functional food. These guys summarize that Reishi influences the gut microbiota by improving the intestinal barrier, okay, improving the intestinal barrier function, increasing microbial diversity. And it does a shift where it reverses bad bacteria and increases good bacteria very specifically, Reishi consistently would decrease bacteroides and increase from from from acuities for MC teas anyways, for me, Curtis, remember, I'm gonna mispronounce it might get all over me for doing the the reservatrol versus resveratrol. So let's just assume that I mispronounce a few things once in a while. Alright. So what it does, by doing that is that significantly increases the short chain fatty acids and anti inflammatory post biotics. They don't describe it as that what they do describe is molecules are then converted from the polysaccharides into anti inflammatory constituents also, they're describing post biotics while using the term. So all of these things in the literature has been shown to help with sugar control, lipid control, weight management and immune regulation. So when you said earlier, is there any data on these guys that's what they did in this article, they summarize the data on Reishi and showed this is what it's used for. This is how it does that. And this is why it helps with sugar weight management lift an immune regulation.
Now well, I mean, you can even stop with this it'll Coleen be able to increase by stopping acetylcholine esterase. And that would be a benefit even by itself.
So that's Reishi. Lion's Mane is another super common one that you'll find in supplements. It's one of the more popular supplements for mushrooms. And it's mostly due to lion's mane. Some studies were shown, I think it was in the 90s. That Lion's Mane can actually help with nerve regeneration. So it's been used a lot in the neurology world. And the reason is, is they believe that the beta glucans that are in lion's mane, show an anti aging and neuronal regeneration property, the prebiotic component of the lion's mane has been shown to have a positive influence in changing the pH in the colon, which increases the ability of other bacteria to produce butyrate. And in inflammatory bowel disease models, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease. It decreased the inflammatory cytokines intraluminal, that have been shown to cause the damage and we've talked a lot about cytokines and a ton about cytokines. While once again, it improves the microbial diversity. And specifically, it has been shown to control the amount of Clostridium difficile that has been produced c diff is something really bad. If you don't know what it is good. If you know what it is. I'm sorry, you probably had it. That usually takes place when your microbial diversity gets shrunk down due to antibiotics. And then the C diff takes off unchecked. Now studies also show that Lion's Mane proteins are similar to immunoglobulins, like ag G. So structurally, these proteins look a lot like well, you might know it as SBI or colostrum. That's the immunoglobulins. And so those are the things that your body produces to help fight infections. Correct. So it looks like that. And this can result in this anti allergy anti tumor effect. And so there's so many studies going on with Lion's Mane right now. Not so much in the Western world. But there's a lot of studies going on in the Eastern medicine world looking at that. I mentioned shittaka earlier, do you have something to say about life? I was
gonna say I mean, we've all young gone in to and both from Reishi to lion's mane, there's a little crossover. And when you mentioned neurogenesis possible neurogenesis with lion's mane, it reminds me there's there are other mushrooms, too, that we're not going to cover today.
Oh, no, no, no, we're gonna cover all of them. We only have 1 million for a really long episode. But it's cool though, just like just like traditional plants that we that we're that we're used to talking about, there's going to be some crossover and benefit from the way that certain fungi performs. I guess what I'm trying to say because there are other neurogenic or Yeah, neurogenic properties of other mushrooms or other acetylcholine boosters and other mushrooms. Anyway, I just kind of point that out there. There's absolutely complimentary aspect. And they kind of get into that in the fantastic fungi about how there's this symbiotic, sometimes competing, depending on what needs to be done. Some mushrooms will augment each other, some mushrooms will repel others. And this is kind of what it's showing that from a nutritional value these things do kind of the same thing in a slightly different way. Yeah, well, they're all kind of doing it. Like for instance, shotoku mushroom in colon studies, is a potent anti inflammatory specifically, the studies that they referenced, it showed that it decreased interleukin six, TNF alpha inducible nitric oxide, and we know that these are all things we've talked about in prior episodes, usually related to polyphenols and Cox two, while it increases the anti inflammatory cytokine called interleukin 10. Very similar to what the polyphenols have been shown to do, they've just been studied a little bit more over here.
So Cox two just as a reference, if you've ever taken aspirin or anything similar to aspirin, you're, you're you're basically blocking coxy with that this is a this is nature's way of at least injecting itself into stopping that kind of inflammatory process.
Exactly. So she Taki also, what's really cool about photography is that the studies have focused on its effect on the brain. More specifically, multiple studies have shown that it can help with anxiety and depression. Now this is through something that you're very familiar with. It increases BDNF brain derived neurotrophic factor. Yeah, brain derived neurotrophic factor and decreases something else. You're very familiar with. Nf Kappa beta?
Oh, yeah. Are you talking about those two?
So these so NF Kappa beta is like the first domino that starts a whole process of inflammation. And if that's always being tipped, that's chronic inflammation. BDNF is a Protein mood says it's a factor. So let's just call it a protein. Yeah. So it's a protein that crosses the blood blood brain barrier, and helps decrease inflammation in the brain and helps clear out toxic aspects of it. So BDNF is one of the reasons that have been shown that eating a diet high in polyphenols increases your BDNF. Now we've got a shotoku mushroom here that actually has been shown to do something similar. That's super cool. It's really wild. Now as well, it increases nerve growth factor. So Dr. philomela will love this because she has a whole section in her book about nerve growth factor, and increases neurogenesis in the hippocampus. In biohack. Your brain she explains what the hippocampus does, and how important it is and how relevant it is to memory. And how you can regrow these nerves and people didn't think that we could forever I was taught in med school once you once a nerve dies, you're done.
So what are we dealing with today with our aging population increase in incidence of dementia? So possibly an early intervention with shotoku mushrooms could be could be something that could be arming your body to help that.
Yeah. The one another one that they discussed, which I'm unfamiliar with, but it was listed in this nutritional roundup that I found on mushrooms, it's called my Taki. Otherwise known as hen of the woods. You've heard of Yeah,
all of the time. My dad often talked about my turkey. And I always knew he was talking about his hand that was always stuck
in the woods. While he named his hand, my talkie.
Yeah, well, he didn't want it to be your talking. So yeah, something like that. Terrible, stupid joke. Really, you
know what? It's okay. You don't have Mac around to listen to your bad dad jokes. It's okay. You can call me out mostly just by complete disinterest. So in other words, your dad's talkie. Yeah, show that it was it's it's Richard and phenolic compounds. So it actually has some of these problems. Not the ones we talked about ones that I've never heard of, but they're phenolic compounds nonetheless. And it has high levels of these beta glucans, which are very unique to cell walls, but it's the beta glucans that make these mushrooms functional foods. Studies have shown that has an increased and profound effect on increasing anti inflammatory microbial species. So basically, they show that it will increase the species of your microbiome, which will keep bad bacteria in check, right? It's kind of that whole yin and yang type thing. And increases short chain fatty acids producing species of bacteria. So it was really cool about the my Taki is that it seems to focus more on the surrounding environment of bacteria, so that these other mushrooms can let those bacteria break them down into good things. So it's all about signaling and getting the bacteria to grow, kind of like we talked about with spore based biotics, where they signal to have more of these less of these, it's it's trying to manipulate this stuff after after we get further and further into it, trying to say, oh, we're going to turn this into a drug. So it does this one thing, you start realizing this is way more complex than we could ever single handedly manipulate 100%. So basically, it still works as a prebiotic, and it helps produce all these other beneficial bacteria. So we're not actually going to cover the other 1,000,499 94 or whatever we did. But to summarize, these were the only ones that they actually looked at in this article, because the articles thick and they went into tremendous detail in each one. But to summarize it, edible mushrooms like this have a very positive effect on regulating dysbiosis. So your microbiome, maintaining the balance of good to bad bacteria ratios, increasing short chain fatty acids, specifically butyrate. The searching fatty acids result in all kinds of benefits across your body, including blood sugar control, blood pressure control, weight management, and brain health all of this together. So now, if you think about this, these mushrooms work different than the large stable polyphenols, like I was saying, but there's a lot of overlap.
Sure. So it's a compliment. It's a compliment.
I'm starting to see this beautiful Venn diagram. So our food right here, amino acids in the meat. We've got a bunch of polyphenols, colorful plate being in there with the spinach and the zucchini and then all those mushrooms are in here. That is a Super Bowl.
Yeah. And it's it's super good. Period.
So that is our first take on mushrooms. We've never done a mushroom episode.
Now we haven't and I'm just gonna go ahead and reveal it. We've got a series of some pretty awesome guests lined up to come in and really kind of school us on some really cool deep aspects of mushrooms, the applications, how to find out what to look for If you're utilizing mushrooms to improve gut health are similar.
So this whole mycology world is really neat once you start showing a little interest. There were, I mean, we've got people were emailing people right now like I would love to come on the show, can we talk about this? I'm like, wow, that's wild loved fun, eventually work our way through to whatever. And if you guys have any things you want to find out, like, you know, talk about what the How would you go about? What's the best way to things? I'm thinking about? What's the best way to learn how to find mushrooms in the wild, what's the best way? What are the best supplements that would, you know, augment if I'm trying to achieve certain things? What are the side effects? Yeah, so we've got a great natural path, who's dealt with this a lot uses mushrooms as a consultant. And he goes, I would really like to talk about some of the cons because all you hear is, you know, the pros. And that's great. Also, I want to get into that we've got all kinds of stuff. I think
it's really cool that we're catching up on this subject matter, too, because actually, when we did have Cooper on it was fascinating. And at the same time, I felt just really inadequate to keep up on the subject matter because he was he was a completely different country. And we were stuck here going, I'm not sure I'm following every single thing that he's saying. But
all the way just from him saying, remember, it's the mycelium. It's the mycelium, and I know we're alive at the time. So it's like
yeah, it was it was like that. And since that time, we've we've actually were inspired by Cooper to kind of really start digging in deep, and it's paid off. And it's, I'm excited to have the next two, maybe even three guests. Join us here.
I mean, eventually, if I can talk you into it, I want you to get another pig and we're gonna go truffle hunting.
Oh, can we truffle hunt here? I don't know. That that's what we're gonna have. We're gonna have a truffle expert. Join our Yeah, I don't really I don't know enough about
I mean, the way I see it, if you're if you're thinking about this, you're like, Okay, I've never really thought about mushrooms. If you're like me, never really thought about mushrooms. Now I'm realizing, if I've got my poly phenol ring here, and I know quite a bit about the endocannabinoid system over here, you need to fill that in. And now we're going to bring into third circle to form this Venn diagram kind of feels like they all augment each other in different ways in synergistic ways.
Definitely, yeah, no, it makes sense. The The proof is in the pudding. I think that the choosing the right things to complement what you eat and how you live your lifestyle, of course, still getting good sleep. But what's crazy is when you eat right, you select the right kinds of foods to eat, sleep actually becomes easier. functioning throughout the day, becoming more productive becomes easier,
for sure. And even when we've met with other experts, like the owners of four sigmatic and stuff, I didn't know what to ask. Yeah,
yeah, that actually that's that was really funny also, because we, we had just had Cooper on the show by the time we met Marcus. And I can remember I sit there Go, man, this is fantastic. What do we say to him?
Well, because we've heard we've heard all these people like like for SIG Matic for SIG Matic did a great job of advertising on different podcasts.
Yeah. But then, but they brought value
in doing it. Yes. 100%. And then I'll even hear Rogen talk about different, you know, defenders, there's mushroom coffees, and all this other stuff. This is the stuff I want to know. Yeah. Like they want to, like this is the stuff that you say, just go Do you want to improve your microbial diversity? Do you want to decrease inflammatory markers? That's not making a claim? Now, that's referencing studies that have been done? And I'm like, Well, yeah, I do. Yeah. So that makes sense. I'm going to start using so grass fed meat. Bag of fresh spinach, some spices, onion, zucchini, garlic, zucchini. And then really, every any mushroom you can get your hands on. Yeah, it adds bulk and adds micronutrients and picks that up and you got yourself several meals,
maybe pretty soon and I don't think we'll have it in time for production. We should throw the the recipe of and one of the show notes or something like that. Just to get some feedback on what people think of it.
Yeah, and you know what we'll do we'll hit up Gabrielle Lyon. Who, who's she's a great, brilliant doctor. I heard her on cell dinos podcast, and then her and I were talking one time where I was like, Hey, man, I heard you talk about that. She does this but without the mushrooms
now okay. She's a bodybuilder.
She's bodybuilder in great shape. And yeah, so yeah, if I can just take the time to do this. It's just a just I love it. It tastes so good.
It does taste very good.
And it's got the fiber in it and it's got the protein content and the micronutrients once again the fiber fiber fiber we do not get enough fiber in our diets
now now and this this is an easy way to make it
almost like a sneaky way to make it happen. It's like the anti food industry meals like Haha, yeah, you think it tastes good? You're not getting anything out of it.
You don't have to keep buying anything from you. Yeah. Well, that's gonna be it for that's going To be all for episode number 60. Be sure and tune in for our follow ups like and shared kin, anything to add.
Yeah, so we're really gaining some traction right now and having some fun, it would really mean a lot. If everyone just go to iTunes and like it, share it. Make some watches on YouTube because that getting some traction, there's a big deal. At Spotify, we're having some great guests lined up. And it's because we're getting a little attraction and I learned a lot from this. I love the questions that we get. So fire him our way, and we can help out. I know somebody is gonna ask, Well, wait a minute, I thought you're gonna talk about mushrooms. You didn't say anything about hallucinations or anything like that? No, no,
they are some of the 1.5 million that we haven't gotten to. Yeah,
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