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What a beautiful studio.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, it was a, uh, it's been a bit of
work and it's still a work in progress,

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but, uh, It's a little different
from the last time you were here.

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Hey, yeah.

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It was equally as nice,
but it just, you can tell.

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There is, uh, some serious step up
that occurred here, , little by little,

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little, it's a, it's a learning process.

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Yeah.

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So if you don't recognize the
voice yet, I'm sitting down

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with Seb Lavoie once again.

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He's been on the Silver Core  podcast
a couple of times now, and we

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were both really excited talking
about being on this podcast.

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Again, we're both pushing ourselves in
similar ways, in some ways that are maybe

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a little bit different, and we thought
there's gonna be some value in us at least

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talking about this between the two of us.

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And if at the end of this episode, we
feel that the value is there for you,

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that'll be why you're listening to it.

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Seb, welcome back to the Silver Core
podcast, . I like that if you, if you

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like what you hear, you get to hear it.

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Otherwise, it just never happened.

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That's the beauty about being able to
edit and, uh, take care of these things.

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Now, before we get rolling too far, I do
have to thank you for the geography and

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geopolitical lessons that you provided me.

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I'm looking, I'm like, man, you
know, it's been winter for a while.

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It's pretty cold.

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I want to go someplace warm.

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Haiti's got some cheap prices.

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Who do I know who's been to Haiti?

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, Seb, what's Haiti like?

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Yeah, , it's an incredible, uh,
tourist destination at the moment.

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A situation in Haiti is, I
would say, well, catastrophic

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from a humanitarian standpoint.

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That that is a fact and that is
a U.N , essentially statement,

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not a Seb Lavoie statement.

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Mm-hmm.

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, um, the, I mean, if I was to put it in
a nutshell, we have, what we have is a

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poor brains.

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The capital of Haiti is controlled
almost entirely by gangs.

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We're looking at 60 to, depending
where you look, there's statements

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of 60 to 75% in gang controls.

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We are talking about armed gangs, and
we are talking about heavily armed gangs

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with leaders from, you know, former
military leaders that are now mm-hmm.

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leading those gangs that have, you know,
tactics, techniques and procedures.

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And they're imposing their wills
in the populations, the, you know,

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rape levels, the, the abduction
levels has been over 1500 abduction.

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In, in a year span of locals for ransom
and, and, and a ton of ransom money put

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back into the gangs, which in terms, you
know, evidently escalates the violence.

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There is a pandemic, a cholera as, as
if they didn't have enough going on.

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They have a, a, a major pandemic,
which is also affecting people

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and a unprecedented percent rate.

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They've had, and I can't remember
what the numbers are, but

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astronomical amount of deaths.

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I think it's 10,000, something
like that over the last two years.

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So there I am with my finger hovering
over the , clicking enter button

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thinking, oh man, price looks so good.

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And man, it looks beautiful
from the brochures.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for that.

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Quick heads up because clearly, um,
I haven't been tracking the news

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on that one and there is clearly
a reason why it was so affordable.

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Um, but we've, uh, we've
planned something different.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but.

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You know, we're talking the other
day about, well, a number of things.

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And one of the things was, uh, talking
about our struggles or posting our

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struggles because you've got a real
superman, larger than life persona.

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You're fit, you've got
quite the background.

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You're, um, very outspoken, very
intelligent public speaker, and people

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will often take a look at somebody such
as yourself as having all of the answers.

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And I did a, uh, I was talking with
Mark Kenyon and he's got a popular

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podcast called Wired to Hunt, and
he's on Netflix, on meat eater.

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And he says, you know,
I, I, I know the formula.

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I know the formula to growing on
social media and it's, you can

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put out this sort of superhuman.

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Um, I'm always out there doing the
hardcore stuff, never fail, kind of

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persona, he says, but it just wasn't me.

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And I found that when I started
posting some of my failures without

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complaining about them, some of
my struggles and solutions that I

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was looking towards, it massively
increased my relatability, my exposure.

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Um, and that was, I I thought that
was kind of a neat thing, cuz quite

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often it, people are very afraid
to talk about their failures.

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And on the other side, some people
will just jump right into it and it

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just becomes them and it's a constant
gripe fest and it's gonna be a

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difficult thing to kind of balance.

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But what were your thoughts on that?

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yeah, it's, it's really interesting
from a sort of scholarly standpoint, you

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know, I would love to look into was the
fact that he posted about his struggles.

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Directly correlated or, or a
direct cause of his social media

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growing or simply being in line
with who he is and being himself.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, cuz those, those two things are,
are evidently we're trying to put the best

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foot forward as we are posting on social
media and that's, Something that's natural

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and we're trying to be positive also.

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So you're not trying to, you know, go down
those, those negative drains necessarily.

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But I would be, I would be curious
to see if just him making the

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decisions of being real and being
him could have had that impact.

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Or if it's truly the fact that, or
maybe it's a combination of both and

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it's likely that that's the case.

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Mm.

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Right, right.

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Like it's a combination of him
actually coming out into himself

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and, and being the person that he
is, the incredible person that he is.

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And, and also it brought some
rela, some relatability mm-hmm.

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and humans.

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There's some really interesting
things that happen when we start

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seeing people that we look up to,
especially struggle with certain

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things and address those things.

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It, it gives us not only a roadmap
to how it can be addressed in

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our own lives, but it also shows
us that they're human mm-hmm.

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and they're experiencing the
same struggles that we have.

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That we, that we, that we have.

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And so it's no longer about
being a victim, it's about.

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Okay.

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There, there are other people out there
that experience the things that I'm going

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through and what are they actually doing
for, you know, remedying those situations.

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And if those people are people that
you just so happen to be looking up to.

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And I, I, I don't really like the
look up kind of thing because I

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mean, evidently somebody can, can
be looked up to in a certain area

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and necessarily not in another one.

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Sure.

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You know, based on how they're
acting or based on mm-hmm.

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but we were talking about a snippet Right.

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Exactly.

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Of, of the image.

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Right.

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Who do you look up to?

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Lots of people.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I, I take the good out of everyone.

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I look up to you a lot.

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Like I look up to you, I look up
to Sean Taylor, I look up to, to

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everybody who, who does, who goes out
there and does something positive and

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does it on account of the collective.

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If that's even, you know, something that
we can, and it is certainly something that

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we can look at that the collective Yeah.

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Yes.

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Mean, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So anybody, anybody who steps up.

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Anybody who's pushing themselves
outside their comfort zone, anybody

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who's seeking excellence, personal
excellence, and anybody who's not only

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seeking personal excellence, but also
brings people along the way with them.

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We know a lot.

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We know a lot of high achievers.

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Yes.

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How many people did they
help achieve success?

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That is a critical piece for me.

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It's not what you know, it's who you
know has often been said in the past.

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And if it's the who you know, who is it
that you're surrounding yourself with?

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And I find those, and we've
talked about this before in the

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podcast, you know, it's come up.

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People say, well, I've
gotta work on me first.

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And they give the airplane analogy.

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You've gotta get the mask on
yourself before you can help others.

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And I find people get so tunnel visioned
in this idea that they have to be

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perfect before they can help others.

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That they overlooked the reality that once
you make yourself of service to others,

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and you're able to recognize, hey, you
can assist the right people out there.

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Do better, you'll do better.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and you'll feel better and you'll get so
much more back out of that than you ever

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would by constantly working on yourself
just in your own little echo chamber.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yeah.

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And I can make a metaphorical connection
with a variety of different things,

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whe whether it be firearms straining
or Brazilian jiu-jitsu or martial

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arts, or whatever the case may be.

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I've never, I've never once wanted to
be an instructor in teaching others.

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Mm-hmm.

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, not because I didn't care to teach
others, but because I was wanting this,

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the one thing that I wanted it to be.

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A hobby without turning into a job
because I, I have a tendency to do that.

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Yes.

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So I was, I was, and I Sure, sure I did.

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Right.

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I, I did.

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Anyways, yeah.

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In the end, um, having a martial arts
studios, but at the end of the day,

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as a, say, a purple belt, I, I had
a, a bunch of years behind me on the

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mats, and I had never taught anything,
and I had no interest of doing so.

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I fell into it by accident when
somebody that was leading a class in a

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law enforcement context departed, and
they asked me if I could run a class

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for them, and they loved that class.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So I continued doing it, but
what I quickly found out is

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that I was unable before.

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I started teaching, I was unable to
break down specifically what made the

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mechanisms that I employed to make
myself successful in certain situations.

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When I started articulating everything
that I was doing along the way, it started

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reinforcing those, those very things
that I was doing subconsciously, and it

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allowed me to actually regain control
and be able to replicate those movements.

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Mm-hmm.

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, right?

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So I was able to not only affect
the movement in a certain set of

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circumstances, but I was able to create
the circumstances that led to having

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the ability to conduct that movement.

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There are that old saying, those
who can do those who can't teach.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and I've heard a variation on that, which
is those who can do those who understand.

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Teach.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and I know it one, one fellow
and would rib me his running

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Silver Core in his as a school.

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And he says, oh, you know, those
who can't do those, who can't teach.

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And he took over a very successful
business and ran it into the ground.

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And I said, no, no.

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I thought it was those who can't do those
who, uh, understand teach those who can't

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run successful businesses into the ground

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That's, he never said it again after that.

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But it was, uh, that teaching part is
something that needs to be balanced as

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well, because I don't think somebody
can be the, the always teacher

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without also being the always student.

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Yes, absolutely.

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I mean, being an, being an astute learner
is, is is paramount in, in being, in

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optimizing the way you teach mm-hmm.

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to begin with, but also optimizing
the way you conduct yourself.

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Because if you end up believing your
own hype and, and, and if people are,

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especially if, if the hype is, is real
and has some basis of foundation, you

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know, which is real and you may, you,
you, the predisposition to actually

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start believing it becomes incre
increased, you know, substantially.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And so it, it not only helps you
develop as in whatever field of endeavor

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you're in and continue to get better
pursuit that, that constant pursuit of

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excellence, but that constant learning,
continuous learning, so to speak.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but also the other piece which
is keep your feet right on the

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ground where they should be

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right, because otherwise you
start to lose perspective.

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And I, I remember I did a, uh, a, a
police pistol instructor course with

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Vancouver Police at the Tactical
Training Center a number of years ago

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when the, uh, lead instructor on that
was, um, staff Sergeant Mark Horsley.

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Mark Horsley's been on the podcast in the
past, and he's was successful in shooting

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the FBI Possible when he was down at
Quantico, not because, and they name the

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FBI possible because it's not necessarily
impossible, , there is a possibility

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someone can shoot that one clean.

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And he did and he got the award for it.

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But I remember there is, uh, two things
that really kind of   stuck out to

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me from an instructor's standpoint.

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Number one was, so often you go
on courses and they're basically

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just student courses and they're
geared kind of towards instructors.

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And at the end of it, the instructor
has to prove that they're at X level

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and then they, they'll pass or not.

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He says, no, I want to choose people
who've already proven that they can, they

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can operate at a certain ability and we're
gonna push you so hard through this one.

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It'll be a learning process for you.

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And I remember there's one drill,
he's, we're getting back from

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the target a little bit and, um,
everyone's feeling pretty hot and

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says, okay, go into your support hand.

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Okay, pistol and support.

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Hand put around to the target.

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And everyone, you know, tries
ask, make sure dead center.

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You say, okay, put the
next hole in that hole.

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Right?

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And there's a struggle
cuz that's difficult.

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One-handed support, hand
putting into the same hole.

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I was successful on that one.

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I was the only one who was
successful, probably by fluke.

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But, um, the, uh, Reason for
that drill wasn't to show off or

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see how well someone could do.

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It's like people who are brand new
to this skill are gonna be nervous,

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they're gonna have difficulties,
they're not gonna be that good at it.

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And it's to re-familiarize somebody
who's been out of that learning states

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for so long, what it's kind of like to
fail and struggle at, at a new skill.

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And I thought that was
kind of interesting.

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Yeah, I, I mean that's a very, very
common concept in, in, in military

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special operation, for example, or
even in police special operation.

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I mean, there's only one way to continue
to grow and that's to be uncomfortable.

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I mean, comfort is where growth
goes to die, and we know that.

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And it sounds like a back of a t-shirt,
. And the reason why it sounds like a back

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of a t-shirt is because it should be.

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Right?

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That's a fact.

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Right?

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And so, and so how do you do that?

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You know, you really have to
start challenging the status quo.

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And that's, that begins, uh, internally.

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One of the really interesting.

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Conversation to be had with, with
pushing ourselves outside a comfort

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zone is that if you get too comfortable
controlling the parameters out around

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how you push yourself outside of comfort,
you actually replicating comfortable

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behavior in uncomfortable circumstances.

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Right?

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So you have to be really careful because
if, if for you being in a, in a, in ice

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water at four o'clock in the morning for
an hour is comfortable, then you know

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how, how, how it is theoretically an
uncomfortable thing that you are doing.

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No, you're just showing off, but
you are, you're uncomfortable in it.

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So right.

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In order for you to be uncomfortable
again, you're gonna need to do

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something that's categor or, or
at least drastically different or

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longer or whatever the case may be.

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So what is outside your comfort zone that
you've been pushing yourself recently?

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I am back to school pal after 20 years.

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Yeah.

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In uh, in higher learnings in a.

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Quite the, the difficult program.

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And um, and I'm loving every second of it.

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And it's been, you know, learning to
write from an academic standpoint.

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And it wasn't so much the writing cuz
I spent 20 years report writing and

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doing things and, and writing business
cases and those types of things.

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So the writing itself was in the issue.

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What was the issue is learning
the processes surrounding academic

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papers and how to even study again
and how to read documents again.

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Cuz I've been reading 600
pages of documents a week.

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Right.

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And so that's a book every week on
various subjects, but now you're

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just not reading to read and not
that I I ever read just to read.

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Sure.

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But I generally read to, to grasp a
concept out of whatever I'm reading.

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Right.

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But in this case, now I need to
have the ability to retain and

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refer to later  down the line in,
in, in writing academic papers.

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Right.

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In that recall.

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Now that's, you know, the school thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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, that would be a challenge.

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You know, I did college and university
and only made it so far to get

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the credits I needed to apply in
the places that I wanted to apply.

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And school is never a thing for me.

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I don't know what it was like for you,
but I know, yeah, it's really interesting.

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I mean, it depends which, which.

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Sort of segment of my life we
are talking about, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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. Cause I mean, I think, I don't
think that schooling was ever

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outside the realm of my abilities.

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I think the problem was me being my own
biggest enemy by, you know, letting my

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focus float away by being focused on other
things, by caring more about other things.

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And, and so, but every time
I actually applied myself to

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school, I did well in school.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I mean, it can be argued that
anytime I applied myself properly

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to anything, I mean, you, you, you
have to have a degree of success.

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Even if that degree of success
is  measurable only against yourself

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and to somebody else's opinion,
may not be what it needs to be, but

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it has to be in relation to you.

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And so for me, it was all about.

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Not completing the program and having the,
the, the intent know, knowledge and, and,

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and experience that will come out of that.

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It was about how do I complete this
program and become the person that

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is capable of having the very tough
conversation in the various areas

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of this field of endeavor and do
so with some confidence and some,

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and some actual backings, you know?

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Right.

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You know, what you were
talking about kind of deal.

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Well, speaking about, talking
about, you've been doing some,

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some pretty prestigious talks here.

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You've been keynote
speaker at some places.

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Is that just piece of cake for you?

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Are you just uh, naturally
born public speaker?

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What , tell me about this cuz they
rank that as number one fear for a

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lot of people is, is public speaking.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yeah.

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I have a very interesting
relationship with public speaking.

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I mean, I.

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When I was, when I was younger,
much younger, and I think we may

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have spoke about that before.

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I mean, I got some severe beatings
in group settings, , mm-hmm.

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. Okay.

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And so I always, there was always a, there
was always something there that was Mm.

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Lingering, so to speak.

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And, and, and, and, and, and it brought
a certain amount of stress to, to

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public speaking, but also as, as a,
as the only visible minority to, to,

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to, to, to grow in a certain area.

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I had to learn to use speech and,
and, and, and jokes and, and,

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and have the ability to connect
with people in a verbal sense.

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Mm-hmm.

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to be able to survive really.

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I mean, it became a survival ment uh,
mechanism for me as a youth and so

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there was the two, those two piece
pieces are not mu mutually exclusive.

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Right.

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They kind of, they kinda, they kinda
balanced each other out, so to speak.

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And so over the years it became less
about natural propensity and what kind of

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work was I putting in to be ready mm-hmm.

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So then I took the emotions out
of that essentially and treated it

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as a, as a mathematical equation.

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Like how am I gonna make myself better?

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No different than what Abraham
Lincoln did, for example.

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I'm not comparing myself to Abe Lincoln
, but you, you were talking about somebody

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that was a very shaky speaker mm-hmm.

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That had a lot of challenges, including
stuttering and different things.

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And next thing you know is delivered
some of the, some of the most compelling

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speeches ever to be delivered, ever
to be heard, you know, in, in the

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history of humanity, at least recorded.

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. So you're feeling that the proper
prior planning, which prevents

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piss poor performance, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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, mm-hmm.

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, the, uh, kind of does away with
those nerves, or are you still

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feeling that when you're in there?

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Yeah, I still, I still feel them.

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For me, it's there, there's a few
things that really help me and,

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and I have a tendency to go blank.

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I, I've done that a few times where I will
hit the floor and go blank, completely.

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Like, I don't remember why I'm there.

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What am I supposed to talk about?

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? I've done that.

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, I've done that, and it's funny for me.

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Anyways, all of a sudden blank.

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And all of a sudden you just hear this
boom, sort of like, hold on a second.

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And it's almost like an
out of body experience.

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And you're like looking at yourself

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I got a way that I work with that.

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How do you work with that?

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yeah.

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So for me, when it happens, the
biggest predicator of where the rest

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of this lecture is going to go is my
ability to control my premature panic.

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Hmm.

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Because when it happens, it's
the most panicking feeling.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you can possibly feel like you're standing
in front of a room of 3, 4, 500 people

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expecting big things because they heard
about you before, or some of their friends

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heard you speak, or whatever the case may
be, and next thing you know, you go blank.

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The panic that it induces is, is.

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Unmatched.

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Mm-hmm.

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, like, it's, it's, it's very real.

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And so for me, it's all
about premature panic.

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How am I gonna control the
premature panic factor?

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There is no timeline.

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When you get to the front of the
room, there is no timeline at which

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you are expected to start speaking.

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Mm-hmm.

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, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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. And so for me, it, it, that's
exactly my coping mechanism.

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It's, if this happens to me, I will
stand there and breathe and start

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talking about something until whatever
it is that I'm supposed to talk about.

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Percolates.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And I'm going to maintain my cool,
calm, and collected demeanor and just

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have that conversation, initiate the
conversation, initiate a bit of bonding.

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And once I'm getting a bit of positive
return, I will, I will ease off.

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My stress level will go down.

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And, and, and then I will
start flowing again, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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, what do you do?

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Well, I, I remember one in particular.

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I was asked to speak at the,
uh, I was up in Whistler.

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They put me up up there and I was at
a, um, uh, private security event.

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What was it?

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P I A B C.

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I think.

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I'm like, what?

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I don't know why they want me
up here, but there's certain

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things they want me to talk on.

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Sure.

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Not a problem.

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I can do that.

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And I get up there and I started talking.

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I was a part of a panel and all of
a sudden, bang completely blank.

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And I look around and the
difference was I'd already

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started talking  and I went blank.

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And I look at me and
people start looking at me.

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And when you're talking about
that anxiety, that panic, I

00:23:47.370 --> 00:23:51.370
found the best possible thing
that you can do is not fight it.

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Mm-hmm.

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not fight that panic,
not fight that feeling.

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Cuz the more you fight it,
the more it builds on itself.

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And if you could just say,
huh, this is interesting.

00:24:00.810 --> 00:24:03.720
And you just explore it as it happens.

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And when you say there's no time limit,
You know what they asked me to be here.

00:24:07.320 --> 00:24:08.490
I was talking about something.

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They can wait a minute or so
while I collect my thoughts.

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Um, another thing I've done in the
past as well is just call it right

00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:20.640
out in the table . And I just said,
have you guys ever had an experience

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.940
where you were on a train and it
just crashed and went right off?

00:24:24.150 --> 00:24:26.880
I'm experiencing that right now and
it'll get a laugh out of everyone.

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Out of everybody and said, you know what?

00:24:29.610 --> 00:24:32.970
The overwhelming feeling I'm having
right now is, and I'll talk it through,

00:24:33.510 --> 00:24:36.990
but I'm gonna push through and I'll just
tell 'em that I'm gonna push through.

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We're gonna get ourselves back on track.

00:24:39.090 --> 00:24:42.330
Will you guys give me that, that,
that, uh, patience and maybe

00:24:42.330 --> 00:24:43.740
crack a couple jokes in between?

00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:46.830
And next thing I know we're back on track.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I, I remember one job interview I
did and it was a group interview.

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First one I did in a group and it
was for a job I really wanted, I was

00:24:54.600 --> 00:24:58.470
doing promotions for, uh, Corona Beer
at the time and you get to travel

00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:01.470
around and you get a Corona Jeep and
they give you an expense account.

00:25:01.470 --> 00:25:04.050
And I was like, think 20 years old
and like, ah, this is what I want.

00:25:04.050 --> 00:25:04.200
And.

00:25:05.175 --> 00:25:08.895
, they had a jug of water on the
table and I figured, oh, I'll

00:25:08.895 --> 00:25:10.485
start pouring people some water.

00:25:10.485 --> 00:25:13.395
And there's, I don't know,
12 people at the table.

00:25:13.395 --> 00:25:16.455
And then the three bosses that were
doing the interviewing, the first thing

00:25:16.455 --> 00:25:18.375
I did was spill that jug over everybody

00:25:18.915 --> 00:25:19.275
Oh God.

00:25:19.605 --> 00:25:24.045
Like, ah, what do you guys think of me
so far ? And everyone starts laughing.

00:25:24.045 --> 00:25:26.625
I ended up getting the job , and
they said it was because of that

00:25:26.865 --> 00:25:29.925
little thing there, but it could
have gone completely differently.

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Of course.

00:25:31.575 --> 00:25:31.845
Yeah.

00:25:31.845 --> 00:25:36.705
It's, um, it's really interesting and one
of the things that I, I think I was able

00:25:36.705 --> 00:25:40.695
to, to, to get out of this as well, to
prevent it from reoccurring in the future

00:25:40.695 --> 00:25:43.545
is to have a framework around my talk.

00:25:43.550 --> 00:25:48.615
So what I do now, which  I didn't
do before and didn't prefer to do

00:25:48.615 --> 00:25:50.625
before is to have a few slides.

00:25:50.865 --> 00:25:51.215
Mm.

00:25:51.315 --> 00:25:53.985
And a lot of the
speakers, have had slides.

00:25:53.985 --> 00:25:57.705
I didn't have any slides and I
was kinda winging it going off the

00:25:57.705 --> 00:26:01.784
cuffs, which is something that I
generally I'm, I'm pretty good at.

00:26:01.815 --> 00:26:02.325
Right.

00:26:02.385 --> 00:26:04.425
And it always pays dividend.

00:26:04.665 --> 00:26:09.555
In this case, it actually worked
out, but it increased my stress

00:26:09.555 --> 00:26:11.145
to a bit of an unimaginable level.

00:26:11.145 --> 00:26:14.235
So I was like, okay, you know what,
next time we won't be trying this.

00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:14.575
Mm-hmm.

00:26:14.695 --> 00:26:16.305
, because I may not be as lucky.

00:26:16.395 --> 00:26:20.295
I may not have the ability to,
to regain my composure so easily.

00:26:20.295 --> 00:26:20.655
Mm-hmm.

00:26:20.735 --> 00:26:26.745
. And so how can I logistically facilitate
success in addition to having the

00:26:26.745 --> 00:26:29.855
backup plan, which is, there's
no rush for you to speak mm-hmm.

00:26:29.935 --> 00:26:31.185
like there isn't, so don't start.

00:26:32.129 --> 00:26:37.230
You know, spewing your mouth, uh, just,
just start talking about something

00:26:37.230 --> 00:26:40.200
and then go down, go down a road
and, and it doesn't matter where it

00:26:40.205 --> 00:26:43.710
takes you, but also if you have the
logistical help that you need, you're

00:26:43.710 --> 00:26:45.389
less likely to have that happen.

00:26:45.690 --> 00:26:49.740
Now what's interesting with this is from
a stress perspective, a stress management

00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:54.090
perspective, if you are prepared and
you have a slide, a few slides, you are

00:26:54.090 --> 00:26:58.080
likely to lessen your stress level enough
that you don't even experience this.

00:26:58.169 --> 00:26:58.860
And so that's great.

00:26:58.889 --> 00:27:02.820
So preemptively I could have, you know,
I could have prevented that, right?

00:27:03.060 --> 00:27:03.690
Theoretically.

00:27:03.690 --> 00:27:05.280
I mean, I can't prove it
now cause I haven't done

00:27:05.284 --> 00:27:08.760
it , but , you know, it, I've.

00:27:09.330 --> 00:27:15.720
Heard that, uh, anxiety, panic
attacks are some of the worst things

00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.410
that people tend to experience
from a psychological perspective.

00:27:19.410 --> 00:27:20.670
And they feel like they're dying.

00:27:20.675 --> 00:27:26.190
And when I mentioned before that I will
just say, huh, this is interesting.

00:27:26.190 --> 00:27:27.990
I'm not gonna try and
stop and I'll explore it.

00:27:28.170 --> 00:27:31.470
Apparently that's a common tool
also used for panic attacks.

00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:33.450
And they say, where do you feel?

00:27:33.450 --> 00:27:34.620
What does it feel like?

00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:36.780
Are you, does it feel
like you can't breathe?

00:27:36.780 --> 00:27:37.950
Does it feel like your heart's beaten?

00:27:37.950 --> 00:27:39.300
Does it feel tight in your chest?

00:27:39.300 --> 00:27:39.510
Right.

00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.730
How far does that feeling extend to?

00:27:41.879 --> 00:27:44.190
Is it extend larger
than you at some point?

00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:45.780
Where does it feel like it's diminishing?

00:27:46.260 --> 00:27:48.810
And you explore those
little diminishing areas.

00:27:48.810 --> 00:27:51.120
What, without trying to stop
what's actually happening?

00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:51.270
Mm-hmm.

00:27:51.690 --> 00:27:56.670
. And a byproduct of that is your
brain will start figuring itself out.

00:27:57.570 --> 00:27:58.740
Maybe I'm not in danger.

00:27:59.010 --> 00:28:00.810
Maybe I actually know
what I'm talking about.

00:28:00.840 --> 00:28:01.230
Mm-hmm.

00:28:01.950 --> 00:28:05.340
. Um, I thought that was an interesting
little piece of information

00:28:05.340 --> 00:28:07.860
that was, uh, uh, relayed to me.

00:28:08.010 --> 00:28:13.230
I was going to sort of bring into the
conversation a urban myth or a rural

00:28:13.230 --> 00:28:19.290
myth in this case where an, an indigenous
person told a, a grandson, you know,

00:28:19.530 --> 00:28:21.630
the, the about the wolf you feed.

00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:25.590
So if, if there's good and bad in,
there's a bad wolf and a good wolf in

00:28:25.590 --> 00:28:28.260
each of us, which one prevails in the end?

00:28:28.260 --> 00:28:29.880
And it's the one you feed, right?

00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:33.900
And so I always like this
saying in relation to dealing

00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.030
with anxiety or dealing with.

00:28:37.095 --> 00:28:40.665
Doubts and uncertainty and those types
of things, the things that are hovering

00:28:40.695 --> 00:28:42.735
above us as, as humans consistently.

00:28:43.125 --> 00:28:46.815
But one of the, one of the conversation
I had, a very insightful conversation

00:28:46.815 --> 00:28:51.345
I had with a pro professional mixed
martial artist and a, and a champion

00:28:51.855 --> 00:28:58.305
with numerous title defense defenses
was How do you, and, and so if somebody

00:28:58.305 --> 00:29:03.645
had told me that that person had the
ability to absolutely look exactly the

00:29:03.650 --> 00:29:08.535
same on Sunday afternoon on a stroll
in the bush versus entering the cage

00:29:08.535 --> 00:29:12.045
to lock them, you know, lock themselves
in there with somebody trained to

00:29:12.045 --> 00:29:14.565
essentially hurt them for 12 weeks, right?

00:29:14.595 --> 00:29:18.105
And, and, and did so with
absolutely no issues.

00:29:18.375 --> 00:29:22.725
And so I asked him, I said, is it that
you don't have any fear at all or don't

00:29:22.730 --> 00:29:27.525
have any anxiety or, or apprehension, or
how do you manage to be the person that

00:29:27.525 --> 00:29:29.265
you are when you go inside the cage?

00:29:29.415 --> 00:29:33.225
Which evidently led to his successful
reign as a champion and everything.

00:29:34.095 --> 00:29:38.445
And he said, he said this, he said,
imagine that you enter the cage

00:29:38.445 --> 00:29:40.725
and there is four wolves in there.

00:29:40.905 --> 00:29:44.235
All your doubts and insecurities
and anxiety and potential

00:29:44.235 --> 00:29:46.905
outcomes are all in this cage.

00:29:47.355 --> 00:29:49.005
I make eye contact with them.

00:29:49.065 --> 00:29:52.615
I acknowledge their presence
and I feed them evenly.

00:29:53.535 --> 00:29:55.475
Not,  one over the other.

00:29:56.085 --> 00:29:56.665
And so,

00:29:56.695 --> 00:30:02.355
his rationale for saying that was,
what is a starving wolf doing?

00:30:02.805 --> 00:30:04.335
It actually is worse.

00:30:04.615 --> 00:30:06.525
It, it comes back swinging.

00:30:06.645 --> 00:30:10.395
And so his thing was you need to
acknowledge and metaphorically

00:30:10.395 --> 00:30:11.355
applicable evidently.

00:30:11.355 --> 00:30:11.565
Sure.

00:30:11.955 --> 00:30:16.905
But I, I thought it was the stuff of
genius in, in terms of I like that.

00:30:16.905 --> 00:30:17.025
Yeah.

00:30:17.715 --> 00:30:19.935
I've never, I've, you know,
I've heard the first one.

00:30:20.025 --> 00:30:20.115
Mm-hmm.

00:30:20.355 --> 00:30:21.855
, I've never heard the second one.

00:30:21.860 --> 00:30:22.205
Mm-hmm.

00:30:22.575 --> 00:30:26.580
. I think there's a lot of value to
that as well, because, . It's like

00:30:26.580 --> 00:30:28.650
saying, don't think of pink elephants.

00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:28.770
Mm-hmm.

00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:30.090
, well, what are you thinking of?

00:30:30.090 --> 00:30:30.420
Right.

00:30:30.420 --> 00:30:35.280
And the more effort you put into not
wanting to feed a certain thing, the more

00:30:35.280 --> 00:30:37.290
it becomes something to contend with.

00:30:37.350 --> 00:30:37.710
Sure.

00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:38.700
Absolutely.

00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:40.470
And it's, no, it's no
different than anything else.

00:30:40.470 --> 00:30:44.280
I mean, if we wanna make a very simple
correlation with sleeping, for example,

00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.210
the last thing you are going to do
if you are trying to sleep is sleep.

00:30:48.215 --> 00:30:49.770
That is a fact, right?

00:30:49.770 --> 00:30:50.850
Like, so what do you do?

00:30:50.850 --> 00:30:51.810
You flank your brain.

00:30:51.810 --> 00:30:54.360
You, you go, you start
thinking about other things.

00:30:54.360 --> 00:30:56.700
You start considering
other things you start.

00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:59.670
And if there's, if there are things
that are really truly impacting your

00:30:59.675 --> 00:31:04.950
sleep, uh, regime as a result of like
the stress that it creates or whatever,

00:31:04.950 --> 00:31:08.190
evidently you wanna stay away from
those things and try to go into other

00:31:08.190 --> 00:31:10.140
areas where you can do some exploration.

00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:13.830
But if you focus on sleeping,
you are absolutely not sleeping.

00:31:13.830 --> 00:31:14.910
And that is a fact.

00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:18.180
And sleep is such a huge part
of your mental wellbeing.

00:31:18.210 --> 00:31:18.840
Of course it is.

00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:23.490
I mean, uh, you and I have both been
talking on the collective mm-hmm.

00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:26.970
. And they talk about all things
under the sun, the topics thrown

00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:28.140
at you, you need to go into it.

00:31:28.410 --> 00:31:34.140
And mental health was, uh, an
overriding sort of topic that seems to

00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:36.480
be, uh, discussed on the collective.

00:31:36.485 --> 00:31:39.810
And if anyone listened to this,
hasn't heard of that yet, I'm gonna

00:31:39.815 --> 00:31:42.540
put links to it in the, uh, the
description and they can check it out.

00:31:43.830 --> 00:31:48.360
But the formula seems pretty
straightforward in theory, and

00:31:48.360 --> 00:31:50.910
that's have some form of purpose.

00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.879
And if you don't know what your purpose
is, take a look at what your purpose isn't

00:31:53.879 --> 00:31:55.410
and see if you can weed it out that way.

00:31:55.800 --> 00:31:57.330
Um, get some exercise.

00:31:57.600 --> 00:31:58.500
Go for a walk.

00:31:58.560 --> 00:31:58.920
Right?

00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.080
Just get outside, get some exercise.

00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:03.090
Uh, eat well.

00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:07.110
Limit your, um, limit substance abuse.

00:32:07.110 --> 00:32:13.530
And that could be caffeine, nicotine,
drugs, alcohol, uh, technology.

00:32:13.560 --> 00:32:16.200
People are addicted to their
phones and social media.

00:32:17.040 --> 00:32:21.660
And you kind of marry those
things together and it will

00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.730
lead to a healthier lifestyle.

00:32:23.730 --> 00:32:29.490
And that's, um, I don't know where I
was going with all of that, but  Well,

00:32:29.490 --> 00:32:31.470
it, you're, no, you're absolutely right.

00:32:31.470 --> 00:32:35.850
And, and what we as humans tend
to do is to address wellness

00:32:35.850 --> 00:32:38.580
is and is in his one silo.

00:32:38.850 --> 00:32:39.870
You know, the wellness, right?

00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:41.100
The wellness silo.

00:32:41.550 --> 00:32:44.220
Not understanding or not
comprehending the fact.

00:32:44.985 --> 00:32:46.455
, this is all interconnected.

00:32:46.755 --> 00:32:46.995
Mm-hmm.

00:32:47.235 --> 00:32:49.365
, there is no dissociation going on here.

00:32:49.365 --> 00:32:54.315
You know, like if I'm, if I'm, the,
the humans on a, on an emotional

00:32:54.315 --> 00:32:55.665
standpoint are like pullies.

00:32:56.265 --> 00:32:58.875
You know, you pull on one, you
pull on one side, something

00:32:58.875 --> 00:33:00.405
gives like it, it goes like this.

00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:00.545
Mm-hmm.

00:33:00.625 --> 00:33:00.825
, it's not.

00:33:00.825 --> 00:33:05.505
And so in order to keep things in
balance, we need to be in balance.

00:33:05.685 --> 00:33:07.665
And how do we, how do we do that?

00:33:07.695 --> 00:33:12.195
We need to address every single
impactful aspect of our lives as we,

00:33:12.405 --> 00:33:14.415
or as many of them as we possibly can.

00:33:14.415 --> 00:33:14.425
Mm-hmm.

00:33:14.745 --> 00:33:16.455
to maximize our wellness overall.

00:33:16.935 --> 00:33:21.225
So the wellness become, becomes a
symptomology of doing the things

00:33:21.225 --> 00:33:23.145
correctly in these other areas.

00:33:23.445 --> 00:33:25.695
Not how do I pursue wellness?

00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:31.140
Pursue meaning, pursue
excellence, pursue fulfillment.

00:33:31.230 --> 00:33:31.320
Mm-hmm.

00:33:31.560 --> 00:33:36.570
, pursue purpose, pursue and have the
right relationship and, and, and, and,

00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:38.820
and be physically where you need to be.

00:33:38.820 --> 00:33:42.570
Where you, where you, where you ought
to be, where you owe yourself to be.

00:33:42.575 --> 00:33:42.900
Mm-hmm.

00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:47.460
to, you know, eat the food that
nourishes you, go out in the

00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:49.020
outdoors and connect with nature.

00:33:49.020 --> 00:33:50.280
Disconnect from the city.

00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:55.020
Like all of those things contribute
hugely to the wellness paradigm.

00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.940
And we, we'd need a paradigm shift.

00:33:56.940 --> 00:33:58.080
I mean, there's no question.

00:33:59.610 --> 00:33:59.790
Yeah.

00:33:59.795 --> 00:34:01.020
They call it urban anxiety.

00:34:01.025 --> 00:34:01.260
Right.

00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.780
Pe people cooped up in the urban anxiety.

00:34:04.020 --> 00:34:08.850
Um, and we were talking before
the show, people saying, well,

00:34:08.850 --> 00:34:10.500
it's all easy for you to say Seb.

00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:12.510
I mean, it's easy for
you to go to the gym.

00:34:12.600 --> 00:34:14.310
It's easy for you to say these things.

00:34:15.135 --> 00:34:17.655
I would argue perhaps the
inverse on that is true.

00:34:17.925 --> 00:34:21.735
Maybe it's not quite as easy because
you've pushed so hard and it's

00:34:21.735 --> 00:34:25.575
become something that's now a more
difficult routine to, uh, to keep.

00:34:25.575 --> 00:34:29.535
Or you've injured yourself in certain
areas, but you're gonna go anyways, or you

00:34:29.540 --> 00:34:31.545
can make those justifications to yourself.

00:34:31.545 --> 00:34:33.825
I've already been to the gym
x amount of times this week.

00:34:33.830 --> 00:34:36.645
I, I guess I can afford to,
you know, not do it today.

00:34:37.455 --> 00:34:41.585
Um, what would you say to somebody
who says, this is easy for you Seb?

00:34:43.815 --> 00:34:46.694
. Well, first of all, thank you very
much for taking everything I've ever

00:34:46.694 --> 00:34:50.685
stood for, you know, and the, and the
discipline that I self-imposed mm-hmm.

00:34:51.014 --> 00:34:56.205
to, to be, to be where I went and
to have the, a certain level of

00:34:56.205 --> 00:35:01.125
success in the field of endeavor or
my chosen field of endeavor, but also

00:35:01.245 --> 00:35:05.745
that's not affecting my performance
in life, but it's affecting yours.

00:35:05.805 --> 00:35:06.105
Mm-hmm.

00:35:07.065 --> 00:35:10.605
, because now you are, you're, you're,
you're essentially addressing the

00:35:10.605 --> 00:35:11.984
problem with a victim mentality.

00:35:11.990 --> 00:35:12.075
Yes.

00:35:12.105 --> 00:35:16.154
And people don't like to hear that, but
if you are a victim, you are, you cannot

00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:18.254
regain control over a certain situation.

00:35:18.254 --> 00:35:23.625
If you are a victim, then external factors
control and dictate where this goes.

00:35:23.745 --> 00:35:23.924
Mm-hmm.

00:35:24.225 --> 00:35:27.705
when in reality you have a
great deal of control over this.

00:35:27.765 --> 00:35:33.165
And so if you realize I just exposed
the shortcoming, I know I can do

00:35:33.165 --> 00:35:36.734
better here, and you take ownership
of it and you regain control,

00:35:37.095 --> 00:35:38.815
everything is within your purview.

00:35:38.815 --> 00:35:39.415
Mm-hmm.

00:35:39.495 --> 00:35:39.895
what.

00:35:40.830 --> 00:35:48.210
The, the ne the nefarious sort of path
that we can get into is getting addicted

00:35:48.210 --> 00:35:51.690
to the fact that our inadequacies
are creating a certain amount of

00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:53.370
stress in a neurological sense.

00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:53.490
Mm-hmm.

00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:59.340
, and if I have a legitimate reason as
to why I didn't do certain things, I

00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:05.490
remove some, some of the stressors from
my neurological system, which makes me

00:36:05.490 --> 00:36:08.160
temporarily feel better about myself.

00:36:08.220 --> 00:36:08.370
Mm-hmm.

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.510
and justifies the reason
why I'm living the way I am.

00:36:13.170 --> 00:36:19.410
The problem with that is that involuntary,
the, this voluntary exposure that you

00:36:19.410 --> 00:36:23.520
could benefit from is not occurring and
so therefore you can rest assured it.

00:36:23.525 --> 00:36:26.550
At some point you will get
involuntarily exposed, and when you

00:36:26.550 --> 00:36:28.710
do, it will not be on your own terms.

00:36:28.715 --> 00:36:29.070
Mm-hmm.

00:36:29.150 --> 00:36:35.430
, it will be on life's terms and you may
not like the terms I really . I like the

00:36:35.879 --> 00:36:39.660
thought process that I see becoming more
and more prevalent and it's one of these

00:36:39.660 --> 00:36:43.350
things, is it becoming more prevalent in
society or is it something that I'm seeing

00:36:43.350 --> 00:36:46.890
more and more in the same way that if you
get a new vehicle and all of a sudden you

00:36:46.890 --> 00:36:48.359
see that new vehicle all over the road.

00:36:48.359 --> 00:36:48.600
Right.

00:36:50.220 --> 00:36:55.410
But there's a British comedian, and I
think he's been kind of doing the rounds

00:36:55.410 --> 00:37:00.720
on social media and YouTube, and he
was, um, in a, I don't, I think it was

00:37:00.720 --> 00:37:05.160
a school debate system and they asked
him to speak and essentially the crux

00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:09.000
of his point that he put across and he
put it across as most Brits do in a very

00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:16.410
eloquent way, was one of the greatest
travesties of our current culture and

00:37:16.410 --> 00:37:21.479
our current kinda woke mentality is
this victim mentality and the feeling

00:37:21.479 --> 00:37:23.520
that people do not have the ability.

00:37:24.015 --> 00:37:25.485
To make change in their own lives.

00:37:25.635 --> 00:37:27.195
There's always a reason for it.

00:37:27.435 --> 00:37:29.895
It's because of systemic racism.

00:37:29.895 --> 00:37:36.945
It's because of, um, gender or,
uh, your socioeconomic role in

00:37:36.945 --> 00:37:38.055
society, whatever it might be.

00:37:38.055 --> 00:37:44.835
There's a reason, and that removes
the impetus from the individual, from

00:37:44.835 --> 00:37:48.435
feeling that they have any sort of
power over making change to themselves.

00:37:48.435 --> 00:37:53.355
And that pendulum swing seems, I see
it happening more and more, and it's

00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.335
something that you preach loud and clear,
is we all have the power to affect the

00:37:58.335 --> 00:38:00.735
change that we want to see in our life.

00:38:01.185 --> 00:38:02.685
I'm, I like that.

00:38:03.405 --> 00:38:03.765
Yeah.

00:38:03.765 --> 00:38:09.645
I, I think part of this paradigm
shift has been some key figures

00:38:10.035 --> 00:38:11.685
that I've had some success.

00:38:11.955 --> 00:38:17.265
And so anybody who operated in a
field where there's nobody to look,

00:38:17.415 --> 00:38:19.875
look at when you fail a already.

00:38:20.430 --> 00:38:22.105
understood those concepts mm-hmm.

00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:24.134
and apply those concepts
to their own lives.

00:38:24.345 --> 00:38:27.195
The majority of those people
are no longer in combat.

00:38:27.255 --> 00:38:27.865
Mm-hmm.

00:38:27.975 --> 00:38:28.305
, right.

00:38:28.395 --> 00:38:32.865
So now we have, what we have is we have
a wealth of knowledge that just ex filled

00:38:32.955 --> 00:38:36.884
from Afghanistan and Iraq and I and I,
you know, they're not the only ones.

00:38:36.890 --> 00:38:39.345
Obviously there's, there's people
in non-combat world, there's people

00:38:39.345 --> 00:38:44.145
that are non-military that adhered
and, and, and, and, and, uh, had

00:38:44.145 --> 00:38:45.674
this as a foundational basis.

00:38:45.975 --> 00:38:51.275
But I think what we are seeing is
the Jocko Willink and the, the, uh,

00:38:51.305 --> 00:38:56.085
David  Goggins and all those guys,
you know, having books that are

00:38:56.085 --> 00:39:01.185
successful and explaining how they
achieve a certain level of success

00:39:01.185 --> 00:39:06.195
and, and, and at the forefront of
this is often the killing the victim.

00:39:06.355 --> 00:39:06.705
Mm.

00:39:06.855 --> 00:39:07.125
Right.

00:39:07.395 --> 00:39:10.634
But it's no news to anybody who
spent any time in those fields.

00:39:10.665 --> 00:39:10.845
Mm-hmm.

00:39:11.475 --> 00:39:16.065
, when you have the luxury of being a
victim is when this gets dangerous.

00:39:17.475 --> 00:39:23.520
So, You run mental health walks, and
when I say you run, it's something that

00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:27.150
you've championed and you've put forward,
but there's others that are helping out

00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:28.740
and others who are attending as well.

00:39:28.740 --> 00:39:33.569
And I think the, I if I'm not mistaken,
there's, uh, other mental health walks

00:39:33.569 --> 00:39:39.330
that are happening that were, uh, inspired
by what you've been doing, but there are

00:39:39.330 --> 00:39:43.710
so many different causes in the world
and that a person can get attached to.

00:39:43.830 --> 00:39:47.040
Typically somebody will champion
something that speaks personally to

00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:51.180
them or that they've been affected
by in some way, shape or form.

00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:55.920
Can you tell me a little bit about the
impetus for these mental health walks

00:39:55.950 --> 00:40:01.410
and what you've seen, the effects of it,
and where you see it going in the future?

00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:09.330
Yeah, I mean, one of the, one of the best
ways for, for myself, and I'm, I'm, I'm

00:40:09.330 --> 00:40:13.650
not going to impose this on everybody else
because not everybody has the same coping

00:40:13.650 --> 00:40:16.049
mechanisms, but for me, a lot of the.

00:40:16.395 --> 00:40:24.285
Stress relief and a lot of the sort
of, I don't wanna say venting, but,

00:40:24.285 --> 00:40:28.875
um, a lot of the, a lot of the time
that, okay, so I spent my entire

00:40:28.875 --> 00:40:31.125
career dealing with critical incidents.

00:40:31.185 --> 00:40:31.455
Yes.

00:40:31.455 --> 00:40:31.544
Right.

00:40:31.544 --> 00:40:32.355
My entire career.

00:40:32.355 --> 00:40:33.194
An entire career.

00:40:33.194 --> 00:40:37.035
And, and I was j i I wasn't only
dealing with them from an internal

00:40:37.035 --> 00:40:40.214
perspective as a person involved in
those critical incidents, but also as

00:40:40.214 --> 00:40:42.194
a, as a perspective of, of a leader.

00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:46.125
So if, even if it wasn't me, the
people that say worked for me that

00:40:46.274 --> 00:40:49.964
were asked to go back over and over
and over in critical incidents.

00:40:50.475 --> 00:40:54.404
And so there was a,
there was a, an absolute.

00:40:55.230 --> 00:41:00.840
Absolutely critical piece here, which
was, how am I going to help my people

00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.500
to go to come to work, go to work,
continue going to work, continue

00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:07.620
addressing the types of calls that we
are dealing with, continue doing the

00:41:07.625 --> 00:41:09.510
things that we do, and remain healthy.

00:41:09.510 --> 00:41:11.700
Are they family units remaining healthy?

00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.740
How's their kids remaining healthy?

00:41:14.100 --> 00:41:14.880
All those things.

00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.920
So, so, so mental wellness was at the
forefront of how we conducted business.

00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.660
And we didn't have a
choice in that matter.

00:41:21.720 --> 00:41:22.560
Like we didn't mm-hmm.

00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:23.190
if we didn't mm-hmm.

00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.020
We would've, we would've fallen apart.

00:41:25.050 --> 00:41:26.580
Fallen apart at the seams.

00:41:27.450 --> 00:41:30.510
And so then there's two
ways you can look at this.

00:41:31.740 --> 00:41:35.340
What can my organization
do to make things better?

00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:39.000
What can this other person,
or that person, or which

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.650
program can do, which for who?

00:41:40.650 --> 00:41:40.860
And.

00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:42.870
, what am I actually doing?

00:41:43.110 --> 00:41:43.200
Mm-hmm.

00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.710
, now take, take all of the external
factors out of the out of the way.

00:41:46.710 --> 00:41:49.410
Have I optimize what I
can be doing on my own?

00:41:49.950 --> 00:41:54.480
And if I can, and if I have optimized
it now, where do I go next to get some

00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.280
additional help from the external world?

00:41:56.310 --> 00:41:56.670
Mm-hmm.

00:41:56.970 --> 00:41:59.310
. Whereas for me, it's always the same.

00:41:59.670 --> 00:42:01.740
How can I make things better?

00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:03.600
It isn't gonna be perfect.

00:42:03.600 --> 00:42:06.810
If you are waiting for the perfect plan,
you might as well never start anything.

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:07.200
Mm-hmm.

00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:09.270
because it doesn't work that way.

00:42:09.510 --> 00:42:12.690
That's why some people love the saying,
you know, jump out of an airplane and

00:42:12.690 --> 00:42:14.040
build a parachute on the way down.

00:42:14.790 --> 00:42:16.440
, as long as you have the right components.

00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:16.890
Sure.

00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:18.310
. Yeah.

00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:24.870
But, and that was a very, and for me
it was very, very therapeutic to go

00:42:24.870 --> 00:42:26.580
out in nature, connect with nature.

00:42:26.850 --> 00:42:31.319
In fact, it still, it still is a
strongly impacting of my behaviors

00:42:31.589 --> 00:42:34.920
last week, for example, like, I'm
not somebody that's overly prone to

00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:39.390
anxiety, but I do, I, I am, you know,
human and I, and I experience anxiety

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.040
and sometimes more than others.

00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:45.120
And especially if I'm embarking on
a journey that has a lot of unknowns

00:42:45.120 --> 00:42:48.629
such as school right now, and some
of the, the work I had to, I have

00:42:48.634 --> 00:42:52.589
to push out those types of things in
addition to my, you know, financial

00:42:52.589 --> 00:42:55.049
situation, which is self-generated Sure.

00:42:55.055 --> 00:42:57.359
Unlike before, when a
paycheck was coming regularly.

00:42:57.359 --> 00:42:58.230
Those types of things.

00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:01.560
So the stress can really,
can really impact you.

00:43:01.560 --> 00:43:06.720
And last week I woke up one of those days
I was in Washington, a Mount Rainier in

00:43:06.720 --> 00:43:09.149
a little cabin in the woods with my dogs.

00:43:09.180 --> 00:43:11.370
And I just loved every,
every minute of it.

00:43:11.375 --> 00:43:12.819
But one morning I woke up and I was.

00:43:13.535 --> 00:43:15.630
very anxious for whatever reason.

00:43:15.810 --> 00:43:19.830
And I, I, I didn't exactly put my
finger on what those re reasons were,

00:43:19.830 --> 00:43:24.420
and it were, and I think it's probably
compounding issues that, you know, a lot.

00:43:24.425 --> 00:43:25.970
I, I had a lot of stuff going on.

00:43:25.970 --> 00:43:26.170
Mm-hmm.

00:43:26.250 --> 00:43:30.660
, a lot of things was, um, was in need
of me to be addressing, so to speak.

00:43:30.665 --> 00:43:30.930
Mm-hmm.

00:43:31.410 --> 00:43:34.770
. And so anyways, I acknowledged a feeling.

00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.745
I told my girl, my girlfriend,
I said, look, I, it's weird.

00:43:38.745 --> 00:43:42.735
This morning I have this anxiety, you
know, which I normally don't really have.

00:43:42.735 --> 00:43:42.975
Right?

00:43:42.975 --> 00:43:44.415
Let's go out in nature.

00:43:44.415 --> 00:43:47.205
Let's go connect, let's go do some
training with the dogs and see

00:43:47.205 --> 00:43:48.855
where, see, see where it takes us.

00:43:48.915 --> 00:43:49.965
And she's like, absolutely.

00:43:50.295 --> 00:43:55.185
So we went out to waterfalls and I spent
a day exploring this amazing waterfall.

00:43:55.185 --> 00:43:56.355
Took my dog there.

00:43:56.355 --> 00:43:57.855
We did all kinds of work together.

00:43:57.855 --> 00:44:00.405
We took some shots, we had
some great conversations.

00:44:00.435 --> 00:44:03.345
And I came out of there a
completely different human.

00:44:03.855 --> 00:44:03.945
Yes.

00:44:03.945 --> 00:44:05.565
Like completely different.

00:44:05.835 --> 00:44:10.305
We are talking a full hundred
percent recharge, ready to take

00:44:10.305 --> 00:44:15.075
on the world, not just, I feel
better than I did this morning.

00:44:15.105 --> 00:44:15.315
Mm-hmm.

00:44:15.945 --> 00:44:21.345
. And so the problem is trying to convince
people that the simplest things are

00:44:21.345 --> 00:44:26.205
often the things that can help you the
most is like the most difficult task.

00:44:26.235 --> 00:44:26.355
Mm-hmm.

00:44:26.595 --> 00:44:32.265
, because everybody thinks there  there has
to be a complex roadmap to, to dealing.

00:44:32.879 --> 00:44:33.540
With issues.

00:44:33.540 --> 00:44:37.200
Otherwise, if it wasn't the case,
why isn't anybody else doing it?

00:44:37.350 --> 00:44:37.680
Right.

00:44:38.850 --> 00:44:41.250
Or a magic pill or, or Precisely.

00:44:41.250 --> 00:44:41.490
Right.

00:44:41.495 --> 00:44:42.210
Precisely.

00:44:42.419 --> 00:44:47.669
And so and so for me is there, the
question came, is there anything I can be

00:44:47.669 --> 00:44:51.450
doing to help the collective based on my
skills, knowledge, and abilities and years

00:44:51.450 --> 00:44:53.940
of experience in managing mental wellness?

00:44:54.149 --> 00:44:59.490
And can this something be effectively
implemented without, you know,

00:45:00.140 --> 00:45:02.970
logistical support, financial
backing and all those things?

00:45:02.970 --> 00:45:04.560
And is there something that can be done?

00:45:04.890 --> 00:45:07.290
And the answer is absolutely it can.

00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:08.819
And we did.

00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:10.710
And it is working.

00:45:11.430 --> 00:45:15.629
You know, can I pre present
an empirical, an empirically.

00:45:16.865 --> 00:45:18.424
Database or data analysis?

00:45:18.430 --> 00:45:22.845
No, I can't show you a, a, a data
analysis, but I can tell you with

00:45:22.904 --> 00:45:26.025
all the people that have part
participated in the walks that have

00:45:26.025 --> 00:45:29.355
been coming regularly and the impact
that it, that it has on their lives.

00:45:29.355 --> 00:45:34.275
So one of the danger of database
analysis is that if you don't have that,

00:45:34.455 --> 00:45:37.904
you automatically lose credibility,
which isn't always the case at all.

00:45:38.085 --> 00:45:41.685
Totally Not like, you can call it
anecdotal if you want, but if, if,

00:45:41.715 --> 00:45:47.225
if 200, 300, 600 people show up for
walks regularly, you know, at at

00:45:47.225 --> 00:45:52.815
there's getting outta it and they're
coming back and, and feeding you the

00:45:52.819 --> 00:45:54.645
feedback loop is always the same.

00:45:54.645 --> 00:45:54.765
Mm-hmm.

00:45:55.005 --> 00:45:57.825
And the consistency that you're
able to establish within those

00:45:57.825 --> 00:46:01.095
anecdotal accounts is undeniable.

00:46:01.154 --> 00:46:03.435
And, and, and that's
precisely what happened.

00:46:03.465 --> 00:46:04.545
It's been undeniable.

00:46:04.605 --> 00:46:06.855
I hear back from people
who've been on these walks.

00:46:06.944 --> 00:46:11.505
Uh, a friend of mine lost his father
and dealing with his own things, but he

00:46:11.505 --> 00:46:14.355
says, you know, those walks were hugely.

00:46:15.540 --> 00:46:22.080
A huge step for him in being
able to, um, center himself.

00:46:22.589 --> 00:46:26.270
And I think a part of that is just
the community that you're surrounding

00:46:26.430 --> 00:46:31.379
yourself with and the ability for
you to recognize that it's okay to

00:46:31.384 --> 00:46:32.910
be feeling these certain things.

00:46:34.200 --> 00:46:37.379
Not everything's gonna be picture
perfect, like what, what is shown in

00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:40.169
some Instagram or social media posts?

00:46:41.910 --> 00:46:47.160
And there's others out here who are
taking steps to being better themselves

00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:48.930
and they wanna see me be better as well.

00:46:49.230 --> 00:46:55.649
I think that that community aspect of what
you've been building exceeds just being

00:46:55.649 --> 00:46:58.770
outdoors and commuting with nature and
then that's a huge part, being outdoors

00:46:58.770 --> 00:47:02.830
and commuting with nature, but that
community that you're building, where do

00:47:02.830 --> 00:47:05.609
you see next steps for that community?

00:47:07.395 --> 00:47:07.875
Yeah.

00:47:07.935 --> 00:47:10.185
It, it's a, it's a very
interesting question.

00:47:10.185 --> 00:47:17.205
I, so there's the part of me that's
dreaming about certain things that's

00:47:17.295 --> 00:47:23.505
dreaming in a, in a, in a realistic way
to perhaps some of the initiatives that I

00:47:23.505 --> 00:47:25.925
would love to see implemented by myself.

00:47:26.205 --> 00:47:26.565
Mm-hmm.

00:47:26.571 --> 00:47:32.295
over the course of my lifetime, amongst
those things is a trauma center for

00:47:32.295 --> 00:47:40.425
first responders is, you know, uh, equin
therapy for, again, for first responders.

00:47:40.635 --> 00:47:45.195
And in fact, I don't think I'd be,
I'd be, you know, Denying anybody.

00:47:45.195 --> 00:47:49.125
But anyways,  for, for the sake of the
conversation, you know, it's, it's, my

00:47:49.125 --> 00:47:51.285
target audience would be first responders.

00:47:51.375 --> 00:47:51.465
Mm-hmm.

00:47:51.835 --> 00:47:55.905
, the, the people that are put through
certain difficult situations and asked

00:47:55.905 --> 00:47:59.135
to go back over and over and over
and over again because they're, the,

00:47:59.135 --> 00:48:04.215
the, the rates of occupational stress
injury, the rates of, of, of lives

00:48:04.220 --> 00:48:11.025
that are destroyed by the constant
exposure is absolutely catastrophic.

00:48:11.030 --> 00:48:18.195
And the reaction from the either
veterans affair or is, is obviously

00:48:18.200 --> 00:48:22.245
not in line with what it should be
for what we ask these people to do.

00:48:22.875 --> 00:48:25.365
And so, if you're a veteran that's spent.

00:48:26.130 --> 00:48:29.490
Went overseas and, and, and did work
on account of the collective for

00:48:29.490 --> 00:48:30.690
something that you were asked to do.

00:48:30.690 --> 00:48:33.960
An extremely difficult, something
that most people couldn't fathom.

00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:38.880
You return to your country only to
be suggested made, which has been the

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.970
case here in Canada, is absolutely,
absolutely preposterous and it's

00:48:44.970 --> 00:48:46.920
absolutely unacceptable as a society.

00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:47.340
Mm-hmm.

00:48:47.670 --> 00:48:48.780
, it can never happen.

00:48:48.990 --> 00:48:49.260
Mm-hmm.

00:48:52.950 --> 00:48:55.560
it's really strange that
it is being suggested.

00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:59.880
It is happening and it's a testament
to, I, I guess, the way people think

00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:04.440
about things currently or those who
are running the programs are thinking

00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.690
about things and it's the wrong way.

00:49:07.710 --> 00:49:12.390
Um, when we talk about surrounding
ourselves with positive people, we

00:49:12.390 --> 00:49:15.510
were talking off air prior about,
uh, I think you said there's a

00:49:15.510 --> 00:49:18.480
study about millionaires and they
hang around with, uh, they tend to

00:49:18.510 --> 00:49:22.800
have a disproportionate number of
millionaire friends compared to others.

00:49:24.464 --> 00:49:28.845
I, so growing up, I went through a
number of different schools and a

00:49:28.845 --> 00:49:29.984
number of different high schools.

00:49:29.984 --> 00:49:31.634
I went to a couple of
private schools in there.

00:49:31.634 --> 00:49:36.525
So I got a chance to see what the posh
private school life was like, what the

00:49:36.525 --> 00:49:38.984
um, uh, public school system was like.

00:49:39.105 --> 00:49:43.545
Like I was in the worst rated
school for British Columbia at one

00:49:43.545 --> 00:49:47.335
point, and the one thing that I

00:49:48.415 --> 00:49:54.255
was left with is not necessarily
that a private school's gonna be

00:49:54.345 --> 00:49:57.165
offering a better education, cuz
some of the public schools offer

00:49:57.165 --> 00:49:59.355
just fantastic education programs.

00:49:59.355 --> 00:50:03.945
It's not necessary that they're gonna have
better access to equipment or resources.

00:50:04.725 --> 00:50:08.085
They likely might just based
on the, uh, the affluent

00:50:08.085 --> 00:50:10.125
individuals who are drawn to it.

00:50:10.125 --> 00:50:14.355
But the one thing that it seems to
do is it surrounds people with other

00:50:14.355 --> 00:50:19.545
people who come from backgrounds
of success if they're able to

00:50:19.550 --> 00:50:21.735
afford that sort of lifestyle.

00:50:22.155 --> 00:50:27.105
And it kind of just ingrains into them
the expectation of success in themselves.

00:50:27.105 --> 00:50:30.375
And I found those sort of
connections and those sort of,

00:50:30.405 --> 00:50:34.875
um, expectations that somebody can
develop at a, at a younger age.

00:50:34.905 --> 00:50:35.865
And it doesn't have to be young.

00:50:35.955 --> 00:50:39.105
They can be old when they start
changing the expectations for themselves

00:50:40.155 --> 00:50:44.625
makes a world of a difference in
the outcome of a person's future.

00:50:45.870 --> 00:50:47.189
. Yeah, absolutely it does.

00:50:47.189 --> 00:50:52.379
And compounded with that is the
observation that, like the direct

00:50:52.439 --> 00:50:57.000
observation of the success mechanisms
being enacted by the people that

00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:58.379
you're surrounded with, right?

00:50:58.379 --> 00:51:02.609
If you actually get to not only be
around successful people, but you

00:51:02.609 --> 00:51:06.480
get to see them react to situation
and interact with life mm-hmm.

00:51:06.899 --> 00:51:08.549
, and that teaches you things.

00:51:08.555 --> 00:51:09.060
Mm-hmm.

00:51:09.145 --> 00:51:12.660
, it teaches you things, it teaches
you perspective, it teaches you,

00:51:13.169 --> 00:51:14.939
uh, having a positive outlook.

00:51:14.944 --> 00:51:16.529
It teaches you about yourself.

00:51:16.535 --> 00:51:18.390
It teaches you about some
of your shortcomings.

00:51:18.390 --> 00:51:21.419
It just teaches you everything
you need to know to be successful.

00:51:21.930 --> 00:51:25.620
And so the problem with that
is you can also surround

00:51:25.625 --> 00:51:26.759
yourself with the wrong group.

00:51:26.759 --> 00:51:32.580
And there's two, there's areas that are
problematic in there that  A: you're

00:51:32.580 --> 00:51:35.490
either at the top of the heap, and if
you're at the top of the heap, guess what?

00:51:35.490 --> 00:51:36.510
You're going nowhere.

00:51:36.600 --> 00:51:36.930
That's right.

00:51:37.290 --> 00:51:40.570
, as they, as they often say, if you're at
the top of the heap and you're surrounded

00:51:40.570 --> 00:51:44.490
by people that are quote unquote
lower than you, and I just mean, yep.

00:51:44.580 --> 00:51:48.540
From a whatever, whatever measure
of success you self-imposed, then.

00:51:49.635 --> 00:51:51.555
You're not growing out of that at all.

00:51:51.555 --> 00:51:52.845
You're not challenging yourself.

00:51:52.845 --> 00:51:53.385
You're not.

00:51:53.625 --> 00:51:57.935
And so we're back to the comfort zone as
right, as, as previously, as previously

00:51:57.940 --> 00:51:59.715
discussed, you must be king of the losers.

00:52:00.255 --> 00:52:00.855
Exactly.

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:01.055
Right.

00:52:01.075 --> 00:52:02.215
Exa, and some people do.

00:52:02.215 --> 00:52:02.615
Mm-hmm.

00:52:02.975 --> 00:52:03.335
. . Right.

00:52:03.515 --> 00:52:05.095
And, and thank God for them.

00:52:05.095 --> 00:52:06.525
So the other people can go to the top.

00:52:06.585 --> 00:52:06.945
Right.

00:52:06.950 --> 00:52:08.535
Probably hopefully the right people.

00:52:09.015 --> 00:52:11.805
But, um, but yeah, it's,
it's really interesting.

00:52:11.805 --> 00:52:17.565
It, it gives you, and I think one of
the traps of being, of, of being a

00:52:17.565 --> 00:52:21.885
human being is to think that whatever
it is that we are facing is unique.

00:52:22.095 --> 00:52:22.455
Hmm.

00:52:22.905 --> 00:52:24.075
There is no way.

00:52:24.165 --> 00:52:25.095
There is no way.

00:52:25.095 --> 00:52:25.815
There is no way.

00:52:25.815 --> 00:52:26.445
It's the case.

00:52:26.445 --> 00:52:27.915
It isn't the case at all.

00:52:27.975 --> 00:52:33.195
Like, I can, I can sit here all day and
speak about how horrible my life was and

00:52:33.195 --> 00:52:35.055
how much adversity I faced and everything.

00:52:35.055 --> 00:52:39.645
There's always, and it's not about
invalidating some of the adversity that I

00:52:39.645 --> 00:52:44.475
went through those types and acknowledging
it is fine, but it's important to have a

00:52:44.475 --> 00:52:47.415
realistic perspective and to realize that.

00:52:48.015 --> 00:52:52.365
, there's people out there that have
it 10 times, a hundred, a thousand,

00:52:52.365 --> 00:52:57.045
a million times worse than you, and
they still are able to do some of the

00:52:57.045 --> 00:52:58.875
things that you probably should do.

00:52:58.875 --> 00:52:59.745
Mm-hmm.

00:53:00.025 --> 00:53:05.799
. And so assu, and again, that sort of
speaks to killing the  the victim.

00:53:05.895 --> 00:53:06.165
Right?

00:53:06.165 --> 00:53:08.445
Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
taking ownership of this.

00:53:08.475 --> 00:53:10.785
It's like, listen, yeah,
my life was difficult.

00:53:10.785 --> 00:53:14.384
Whatever the case may be, this
is the prospect I was dealt with.

00:53:14.384 --> 00:53:16.485
There's nothing I could have done
to change, and it's in the past,

00:53:16.485 --> 00:53:17.865
there's nothing I can do to change it.

00:53:17.985 --> 00:53:18.075
Mm-hmm.

00:53:18.345 --> 00:53:22.335
. But what I can do is regain control
of where I'm going and how I'm

00:53:22.335 --> 00:53:26.685
doing it, and who I surround myself
with as I'm proceeding towards.

00:53:27.765 --> 00:53:31.515
And that perspective, that change
in perspective that people can

00:53:31.755 --> 00:53:33.795
get, I think is hugely important.

00:53:34.755 --> 00:53:37.305
Coming from a difficult background
and everyone's gonna have

00:53:37.305 --> 00:53:39.134
difficulties of one type or another.

00:53:40.155 --> 00:53:43.365
Their difficulties should never be
measured against somebody else cuz

00:53:43.365 --> 00:53:47.895
people are gonna have different,
uh, mental makeup, um, personality

00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:51.915
types, life experiences that will
make them think that there's gonna

00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:56.415
be a different outcome or cause
different levels of possible anxiety.

00:53:57.615 --> 00:54:05.565
But that the perspective on your,
um, uh, on, on the difficulties that

00:54:06.005 --> 00:54:11.355
somebody may encounter to look back
and say, you know what, yeah, it was

00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.935
tough, but look it, here I am now.

00:54:14.205 --> 00:54:17.895
And I wouldn't change that for anything
because if I change those things and I

00:54:17.895 --> 00:54:22.035
didn't have those difficulties thrown
at me, would I be where I am now?

00:54:22.575 --> 00:54:26.685
And if I didn't have those low
moments, would I really be able to

00:54:26.690 --> 00:54:29.145
compare what a high moment feels like?

00:54:30.075 --> 00:54:36.405
And I think that's, you know, there's a,
um, when we did our last podcast together,

00:54:37.275 --> 00:54:38.655
do you remember what I titled it?

00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:44.820
Probably not, but I, I, I
think it was, uh, the plugging

00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:45.960
Away will win you the day.

00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:47.280
Yes, yes.

00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:48.660
Do you know why I titled it that?

00:54:49.740 --> 00:54:54.630
So that was the overriding
thing sense that I get from you.

00:54:56.190 --> 00:55:01.680
And it's based on a poem by Robert
Williams service, the Bard of the Yukon.

00:55:01.680 --> 00:55:04.260
I don't know if people know this one.

00:55:04.830 --> 00:55:05.430
Do you want to hear it?

00:55:05.490 --> 00:55:06.720
Yes, I would love to.

00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:07.320
. We'll see.

00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:13.290
We'll, we'll see if I can . So, uh,
Robert Service wrote a poem called

00:55:13.290 --> 00:55:19.770
The Quitter, and he goes, if I can
remember this, it goes when you're

00:55:19.770 --> 00:55:23.160
lost in the wild and you're scared as
a child, and death looks you bang in

00:55:23.160 --> 00:55:24.990
the eye when you're sore is a boil.

00:55:24.990 --> 00:55:27.630
It's according to Hoyle de
cock your revolver and die.

00:55:28.680 --> 00:55:31.230
But the coat of a man
says, fight all you can.

00:55:31.290 --> 00:55:36.150
And self disillusion is barred in
hunger and whoa, it's so easy to blow.

00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:37.380
It's a hell served for breakfast.

00:55:37.380 --> 00:55:37.890
That's hard.

00:55:39.180 --> 00:55:40.230
, you're sick of the game.

00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:41.250
Well, that's a shame.

00:55:41.790 --> 00:55:43.770
You're young and you're
brave and you're bright.

00:55:44.310 --> 00:55:45.540
You've had a raw deal.

00:55:45.690 --> 00:55:46.200
I know.

00:55:46.290 --> 00:55:47.040
Don't squeal.

00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:47.610
Buck up.

00:55:47.610 --> 00:55:48.840
Do your damnedest and fight.

00:55:49.740 --> 00:55:51.780
It's a plugging away
that'll win you the day.

00:55:52.110 --> 00:55:53.400
Don't be a piker old part.

00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:55.920
Just draw your grit.

00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.090
It's so easy to quit.

00:55:57.180 --> 00:55:59.040
It's a hell served for
breakfast that's hard.

00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:02.100
I think I repeated that part there.

00:56:02.430 --> 00:56:08.820
But it goes on to say you are, it's
easy to cry that you're beaten and die.

00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:12.360
It's easy to crawfish and crawl,
but to fight into fight when

00:56:12.365 --> 00:56:13.380
all hopes outta sight, why?

00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:14.700
That's the best game of them all.

00:56:15.210 --> 00:56:19.350
And though you come out of each grueling
bout of broken and beaten and scarred.

00:56:19.995 --> 00:56:21.765
Just have one more try.

00:56:21.765 --> 00:56:22.875
It's dead easy to die.

00:56:22.875 --> 00:56:23.715
It's a keeping on living.

00:56:23.715 --> 00:56:24.195
That's hard.

00:56:24.795 --> 00:56:25.635
Wow.

00:56:25.725 --> 00:56:27.195
I can't believe I remember
that one actually.

00:56:27.195 --> 00:56:29.925
That's, I, I can't, I
can't remember it either.

00:56:30.555 --> 00:56:32.175
, in fact, is there a prompter behind me?

00:56:32.295 --> 00:56:36.435
I know some prompter , but that
was, that was the overriding

00:56:36.435 --> 00:56:37.905
sense that I got from you.

00:56:37.910 --> 00:56:40.395
And I thought, you know, that just
kind of stuck in the back of my head

00:56:40.395 --> 00:56:45.615
and that's why I named the, uh, the
podcast episode that I love that.

00:56:45.675 --> 00:56:56.865
And, and, and it has a such a
visceral and, and so powerful sort

00:56:56.895 --> 00:56:59.565
of repercussion, or it can mm-hmm.

00:56:59.805 --> 00:57:01.125
have to have that kind of mentality.

00:57:01.455 --> 00:57:03.285
I mean, every.

00:57:04.275 --> 00:57:09.075
Interaction with adversity from anybody's,
anybody's perspective is for the world

00:57:09.075 --> 00:57:11.285
to see and the world is watching.

00:57:11.384 --> 00:57:11.654
Hmm.

00:57:11.745 --> 00:57:13.935
And the people around you, and
I'm talking about the people

00:57:13.935 --> 00:57:15.375
that are actually meaningful.

00:57:15.495 --> 00:57:18.855
You know, your kids, your spouse,
your, your friends, the people that

00:57:19.575 --> 00:57:23.955
have importance in your life and
their contr contributors to your life.

00:57:24.345 --> 00:57:30.965
When they are faced with their own
version of adversity, those reactions

00:57:30.970 --> 00:57:34.545
from the people that they either look
up to or love or, or care for, or

00:57:34.545 --> 00:57:36.404
whatever the case may be, is massive.

00:57:36.410 --> 00:57:36.685
Mm-hmm.

00:57:36.765 --> 00:57:37.884
, what kind of service is this?

00:57:37.955 --> 00:57:38.565
Mm-hmm.

00:57:38.924 --> 00:57:42.165
on, on account of the collective
to actually demonstrate.

00:57:43.259 --> 00:57:44.750
The proper behaviors.

00:57:44.754 --> 00:57:49.629
Once, once the, you, the, you know,
what hits the oscillator,  and

00:57:49.629 --> 00:57:51.479
this is, and, and, and it's easy.

00:57:51.509 --> 00:57:51.870
Mm-hmm.

00:57:51.950 --> 00:57:55.589
to speak to theoretical approach,
to problem solving certain things.

00:57:55.740 --> 00:58:00.930
It's, it's easy to have, you know,
quote quotes made on the back of a,

00:58:00.930 --> 00:58:02.459
or put on the back of t-shirts mm-hmm.

00:58:02.870 --> 00:58:05.520
that, that you can just regurgitate
all day on the social mm-hmm.

00:58:05.910 --> 00:58:10.379
But at the end of the day, when you are
face-to-face with adversity, how, how

00:58:10.384 --> 00:58:14.939
you react will dictate how other people
react to adversity when they face it.

00:58:15.629 --> 00:58:17.370
So it is a social responsibility.

00:58:17.759 --> 00:58:19.560
It's not just an individual pursuit.

00:58:19.859 --> 00:58:20.189
Mm-hmm.

00:58:20.640 --> 00:58:21.450
. And I love that.

00:58:22.290 --> 00:58:22.890
I love that.

00:58:23.580 --> 00:58:26.160
So I've got a question, , you
don't have to answer this.

00:58:26.189 --> 00:58:26.370
Yeah.

00:58:27.209 --> 00:58:30.740
Why did you move on
from the RCMP   mm-hmm.

00:58:33.270 --> 00:58:36.450
. ? Well, it's a multi-layered answer.

00:58:36.450 --> 00:58:39.390
So let's start with why I
joined in the first place.

00:58:39.450 --> 00:58:41.459
I joined to be on the
emergency response team.

00:58:41.640 --> 00:58:44.339
I joined to become a team leader
on the emergency response team.

00:58:44.549 --> 00:58:45.870
That is all, mm-hmm.

00:58:46.069 --> 00:58:47.879
. That's all I ever joined the force for.

00:58:48.209 --> 00:58:48.479
Mm-hmm.

00:58:48.486 --> 00:58:50.040
, that's all I ever wanted to be.

00:58:50.279 --> 00:58:51.720
That's all I ever wanted to do.

00:58:53.009 --> 00:58:58.439
Once I achieved this and I stayed in
the, in the position for a long time

00:58:58.859 --> 00:59:06.839
and I started feeling like perhaps I
should start looking at other things

00:59:07.109 --> 00:59:13.890
on account of, it was taking a massive
toll on me to upkeep everything

00:59:13.890 --> 00:59:19.229
that ne needed to be up kept, and in
addition to my command level things.

00:59:19.229 --> 00:59:21.299
So we're talking about hands
and feet skills, and we're

00:59:21.305 --> 00:59:22.830
talking about command level.

00:59:23.475 --> 00:59:29.055
knowledge, skills, and experience,
and have a, across a broad range

00:59:29.055 --> 00:59:34.785
of domain to be setting the tone,
so to speak, gets you very tired.

00:59:35.265 --> 00:59:38.415
And I was at that point where I was
starting to be really exhausted.

00:59:38.420 --> 00:59:38.505
Mm-hmm.

00:59:38.745 --> 00:59:41.295
. So there was, there was an
opportunity for me to move on to

00:59:41.300 --> 00:59:44.655
another position, and I moved to
another position outside the team.

00:59:44.895 --> 00:59:48.615
That opportunity was one of
the best decisions I ever made.

00:59:49.395 --> 00:59:57.585
And I think to a, to a, well, I would
say, the hypothesis is that it, it helped

00:59:57.585 --> 01:00:03.855
me, this move, actually my la my latest
move helped me make the decision or have

01:00:04.065 --> 01:00:09.015
the courage to make the decision that
I knew was right for me, which was I

01:00:09.015 --> 01:00:14.265
no longer want to go back to the team
because I've, that ship has sailed.

01:00:14.295 --> 01:00:17.505
I've done what I wanted to do, I've
achieved what I wanted to do and more.

01:00:17.895 --> 01:00:19.575
There is nothing for me to gain.

01:00:20.835 --> 01:00:22.335
and where do I go next?

01:00:22.395 --> 01:00:28.845
And if the answer is, I was never in
for anything else in the first place and

01:00:28.845 --> 01:00:34.095
now I'm looking at the prospect of going
backwards in the myth of Oracle Sense,

01:00:34.095 --> 01:00:39.375
if I was to return to the team, which I
was set to do, I just simply decided, no,

01:00:39.495 --> 01:00:42.945
actually I have enough skills, knowledge,
and abilities to make it on my own.

01:00:43.125 --> 01:00:47.845
I want to go out and explore the, the
world outside of institutionalization.

01:00:48.765 --> 01:00:52.085
I don't want to be, cuz I was
institutionalized, of course

01:00:52.085 --> 01:00:53.535
for for decades, of course.

01:00:53.775 --> 01:00:59.535
And so I wanted to see the world through a
different lens, through different lenses.

01:00:59.565 --> 01:01:00.945
Not just a single lens.

01:01:00.945 --> 01:01:06.705
But I and I, when I started school, I
started looking at the same problems

01:01:06.705 --> 01:01:08.355
that I've been looking at for decades.

01:01:08.385 --> 01:01:11.175
From an academic standpoint or from.

01:01:11.595 --> 01:01:15.254
, uh, an historian standpoint from
a, a, whatever the case may be.

01:01:15.254 --> 01:01:16.065
Mm-hmm.

01:01:16.125 --> 01:01:21.015
and I started seeing like, look
man, like there is other viewpoints

01:01:21.015 --> 01:01:23.625
that have value that are valid.

01:01:24.015 --> 01:01:30.975
And I think you can get caught up in that
loop where you think that your lens is

01:01:30.975 --> 01:01:35.595
the end all  be all, and that is the lens
by which everybody should view the world.

01:01:36.495 --> 01:01:37.815
That's not how this works.

01:01:37.935 --> 01:01:40.004
And that's not how we
become, become better.

01:01:40.004 --> 01:01:47.174
So I knew that I could contribute
something to the world if I was brave

01:01:47.174 --> 01:01:51.615
enough, so to speak, to go out on my
own and explore the world and look at

01:01:51.615 --> 01:01:54.975
it through a different lens so that I
could marry up some of the differences

01:01:55.035 --> 01:01:58.275
and bridge the gap instead of polarizing.

01:01:59.714 --> 01:02:01.545
That is extremely powerful.

01:02:02.384 --> 01:02:06.105
Did you recognize that there were
other ways to look at it, that.

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.710
while you're in there and did you have
a sort of a guiding light as to what

01:02:10.710 --> 01:02:14.490
you felt your next step would be, or did
you just step out of the plane and start

01:02:14.495 --> 01:02:15.810
making the parachute on your way down?

01:02:17.970 --> 01:02:22.259
I've, I've always been extremely
self-aware and also very inquisitive.

01:02:22.259 --> 01:02:25.680
And so I knew that there ought
to be something more to this.

01:02:25.890 --> 01:02:31.259
It, it ought to be that there's an,
there's an inherent bias in what it

01:02:31.265 --> 01:02:38.460
is that I'm doing and how will I know
if I'm a subconsciously biased in a

01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:43.960
certain set of circumstances, and how
can I expose this and how can I add

01:02:44.009 --> 01:02:48.089
to the arsenal and by having different
lenses that I can look at the world

01:02:48.095 --> 01:02:54.390
through and how can I bring my lens
through an academic world, for example.

01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.779
I mean, we are, we're in our
cohort in university right now, and

01:02:57.785 --> 01:03:03.120
when somebody goes on about some
utopian idea of how you counter.

01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:07.860
Terrorism or, or, or how you
affect an hostage rescue or

01:03:07.860 --> 01:03:08.880
whatever the case may be.

01:03:09.510 --> 01:03:13.810
I'm able to bring an
operational reality mm-hmm.

01:03:13.890 --> 01:03:18.690
, so I bring the lens of operational
reality to people that have been for,

01:03:18.690 --> 01:03:20.790
in some cases, lifelong academics.

01:03:20.795 --> 01:03:21.240
Mm-hmm.

01:03:21.580 --> 01:03:26.130
and the, the society that separates
his scholars and his warriors.

01:03:26.130 --> 01:03:26.220
Sure.

01:03:26.610 --> 01:03:26.970
Right.

01:03:27.330 --> 01:03:32.550
And, and so for me it's, it's, it's now
becoming something where I know I have

01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:35.820
something to contribute by way of my
skills, knowledge, and experience over

01:03:35.825 --> 01:03:40.380
the course of the decades that I was
involved in this, in this pursuit mm-hmm.

01:03:40.980 --> 01:03:44.640
but also now I'm able to see the other
side of things and bridge that gap.

01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:48.480
And so I think as I was bridging the
gap with the commanding officer of the

01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:53.790
division as the sergeant major responsible
to make sure that we understood what the

01:03:53.790 --> 01:03:57.180
troops were going through and to make
sure that the troops understood what

01:03:57.180 --> 01:04:00.720
the commanding officer's office and the
executive leadership was dealing with.

01:04:01.710 --> 01:04:07.020
I've done that now, extrapolated on a
higher level, which is, you know, with

01:04:07.020 --> 01:04:10.799
other humans, basically  and, and,
and, and in another field of endeavor.

01:04:10.799 --> 01:04:13.110
But same, same, no change.

01:04:13.890 --> 01:04:16.170
I just want to bring, I
just wanna marry up things.

01:04:16.170 --> 01:04:18.210
I'm for unity.

01:04:18.660 --> 01:04:20.130
I want unity.

01:04:20.339 --> 01:04:22.049
I do not want decisiveness.

01:04:22.259 --> 01:04:24.420
And there's only one way to achieve that.

01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:28.470
And that's to be able to
be in other people's shoes.

01:04:28.620 --> 01:04:28.650
Mm.

01:04:29.100 --> 01:04:33.120
You can't achieve that if you
stay in your boots and anchor

01:04:33.120 --> 01:04:34.470
yourself to your positions.

01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:36.240
You need to explore.

01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:40.710
Do you recognize anything that
you're doing right now that

01:04:40.710 --> 01:04:42.000
you need to push harder on?

01:04:42.779 --> 01:04:46.140
Is there something that you're
looking at that maybe is a bit outside

01:04:46.140 --> 01:04:49.770
your comfort zone, but you realize
you're gonna have to dig into it?

01:04:51.180 --> 01:04:53.580
And again, this isn't something
that has to be talked about here,

01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:55.589
but I'm just generally curious.

01:04:55.650 --> 01:04:56.040
Mm-hmm.

01:04:58.635 --> 01:05:01.935
. Because I might have a difficult time
answering a question like that here.

01:05:02.415 --> 01:05:04.515
Yeah, it's,

01:05:07.635 --> 01:05:07.905
yeah.

01:05:07.905 --> 01:05:14.835
It's, it's, for me, I think most of my
discomfort comes from things that I have

01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:20.775
to do in order to cement the business
in a, in a position where I no longer

01:05:20.780 --> 01:05:28.245
have to worry about where my next sort
of financial gain is going to come from.

01:05:28.245 --> 01:05:30.675
And, and, and I'm not, and
I'm not speaking in terms of

01:05:30.675 --> 01:05:34.245
necessarily, um, I, I don't need
to be richer or anything like that.

01:05:34.245 --> 01:05:35.295
That is not what I'm after.

01:05:35.295 --> 01:05:35.355
Yeah.

01:05:35.384 --> 01:05:38.924
But a certain amount of financial
freedom that prevents me from having

01:05:38.924 --> 01:05:43.095
to ever consider going backwards,
which is going back to what I know,

01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:47.085
going back to the field that I'm, so,
I add tools to the toolbox so that

01:05:47.089 --> 01:05:51.255
I'm, so that I am able to move on to
go and, and, and take other pursuit.

01:05:51.525 --> 01:05:53.234
Maybe be a professor in university.

01:05:53.234 --> 01:05:54.134
I would love to do that.

01:05:54.134 --> 01:05:56.355
And it's, it's already been floated by me.

01:05:56.355 --> 01:06:01.275
So eventually it, that might be in
the, in the, you know, in the, and

01:06:01.275 --> 01:06:04.694
that would be pretty cool in, in
the cards, but also, guess what?

01:06:04.964 --> 01:06:07.815
I am no longer limiting myself
to a single course of action.

01:06:07.904 --> 01:06:08.115
Mm-hmm.

01:06:08.505 --> 01:06:11.234
because it needs to be run concurrently.

01:06:11.384 --> 01:06:16.964
If we want life to be successful,
I can't, for the life of me do all

01:06:16.964 --> 01:06:21.315
the things that I want to do in
life if I do them back to back.

01:06:21.975 --> 01:06:22.245
Mm-hmm.

01:06:22.484 --> 01:06:22.924
, right?

01:06:22.924 --> 01:06:23.285
Mm-hmm.

01:06:23.370 --> 01:06:24.315
And so and so.

01:06:24.375 --> 01:06:29.325
Right now, I'm at a point in my life where
I want to get and maximize and optimize.

01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:32.130
My life experience.

01:06:32.134 --> 01:06:32.470
Mm-hmm.

01:06:32.550 --> 01:06:34.050
, like, what have I done?

01:06:34.050 --> 01:06:36.060
What have I, what have I achieved?

01:06:36.065 --> 01:06:36.900
What have I pursued?

01:06:36.900 --> 01:06:37.710
What have I learned?

01:06:37.710 --> 01:06:42.360
What have I, I want to God, if
I could get all the knowledge,

01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:43.740
like, you know, the matrix style.

01:06:43.740 --> 01:06:43.830
Sure.

01:06:43.830 --> 01:06:45.450
When you get it injected,
straight into your brain.

01:06:45.690 --> 01:06:46.680
I would love that.

01:06:47.009 --> 01:06:51.830
And so I'm at a, I'm at a point in
my life where I want to optimize

01:06:51.835 --> 01:06:53.160
and maximize the learnings.

01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:55.800
I want to optimize and
maximize my performance in

01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:57.509
all kinds of various fields.

01:06:57.540 --> 01:07:01.170
And I want to be as open minded as I
possibly can on my way to doing that.

01:07:01.170 --> 01:07:01.259
Mm-hmm.

01:07:01.470 --> 01:07:03.090
or achieving that, and
I'll never achieve it.

01:07:03.120 --> 01:07:06.240
We, we all know that, but it's,
it's a pursuit that matters, right.

01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:07.110
At the end of the day.

01:07:07.830 --> 01:07:11.009
And so it's all about not missing out.

01:07:11.070 --> 01:07:15.840
I have a, I have a very, very strong fear
of missing out when it comes to life.

01:07:16.170 --> 01:07:16.800
The fomo.

01:07:16.890 --> 01:07:17.340
Yeah.

01:07:17.430 --> 01:07:24.810
But it's like FOMO of how can I
optimize this life experience, you know?

01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:28.290
Well, there's two ways that you
can, you can look at that, right.

01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:34.240
Whether that be the life experience,
whether that be financials, whatever

01:07:34.240 --> 01:07:42.360
it might be, you either make more
or do more, or you accept being

01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:46.590
happy with less and either way
will lead you to that same spot.

01:07:48.660 --> 01:07:52.470
That's a difficult conundrum for a
striver though, to say, I know I'm

01:07:52.475 --> 01:07:55.920
capable of so much more and I know what
I can do can affect other people and it

01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:57.900
can help them in a very positive way.

01:07:58.650 --> 01:08:03.270
But I think I'm just gonna sit back and
be happy with less that that's oftentimes

01:08:03.275 --> 01:08:08.550
looked at in a negative way by those
who strive, but maybe it shouldn't be.

01:08:08.670 --> 01:08:09.090
No May.

01:08:09.090 --> 01:08:13.830
Maybe those who are, um, maybe
that example of being happy with a

01:08:13.830 --> 01:08:16.620
less is something that's gonna be
helping other people around you.

01:08:17.685 --> 01:08:20.295
Hey, at the end of the
day, it's about being you.

01:08:20.625 --> 01:08:25.965
You do what works for you, you, you,
you discount what doesn't work for you

01:08:25.965 --> 01:08:32.415
or, or, I, I'd say you vet carefully
what you perceive is of no use to you,

01:08:32.415 --> 01:08:36.524
so that you may still take something
out of it and continue going on in

01:08:36.915 --> 01:08:40.575
whatever path is, you know, meaningful
and satisfying and purposeful to you.

01:08:40.575 --> 01:08:41.564
Mm-hmm.

01:08:41.595 --> 01:08:46.215
, I, we've had this conversation before
where people are, it's so polarized

01:08:46.365 --> 01:08:49.785
that if somebody is brilliant mm-hmm.

01:08:50.024 --> 01:08:53.745
and says one thing that doesn't jive
with your values or whatever, now that

01:08:53.774 --> 01:08:55.365
person is fully discounted, right?

01:08:55.455 --> 01:08:55.755
Mm-hmm.

01:08:55.995 --> 01:08:58.995
, I, I don't listen to him because he's,
he's, he's said that one thing I hated.

01:08:58.995 --> 01:08:59.685
Yeah, exactly.

01:08:59.865 --> 01:09:03.660
And so for me is, , even if you're,
and, and it's funny you should

01:09:03.660 --> 01:09:08.280
mention that, because I was in a guest
speaking appearance in Alberta during

01:09:08.280 --> 01:09:11.040
a massive townhouses realty Yeah.

01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:16.140
Meeting hundreds of people and beautiful
meeting and, uh, incredible leadership

01:09:16.230 --> 01:09:18.060
from the, from the people at townhouses.

01:09:18.065 --> 01:09:25.450
But, um, anyways, I ended up,
um, there was a lot of emphasis

01:09:25.455 --> 01:09:26.640
on financial gains, right?

01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:30.420
So, you know, if you want to be a,
a six figure earner, a seven figure

01:09:30.420 --> 01:09:31.810
earner, whatever, you know mm-hmm.

01:09:31.890 --> 01:09:34.260
like, hey, I sure there was, there
was some pretty astronomical numbers

01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:37.650
being, being, being tossed around
that I, that I'm actually, you know,

01:09:38.040 --> 01:09:39.600
not really a part of at the moment.

01:09:40.200 --> 01:09:44.310
But what was really interesting is
I stepped up in front of the panel

01:09:44.310 --> 01:09:49.560
at some point and I told the crowd
something that surprised them.

01:09:50.639 --> 01:09:54.240
Being a million dollar earner may
not be your version of success.

01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:54.750
Right.

01:09:55.169 --> 01:09:55.679
Period.

01:09:55.860 --> 01:09:56.040
Mm-hmm.

01:09:56.339 --> 01:10:01.049
. And if that's the case, don't let other
people's meaning of success dictate

01:10:01.049 --> 01:10:06.210
how you should think and feel about
what you feel is successful, perhaps

01:10:06.330 --> 01:10:08.549
because there is a cost to any of this.

01:10:08.610 --> 01:10:11.099
And if you are going to be a
million dollar earner, you are

01:10:11.099 --> 01:10:12.389
likely to have an obsession.

01:10:12.389 --> 01:10:15.509
And if you have an obsession, there
are, there are things that are gonna

01:10:15.514 --> 01:10:18.269
have to be put on the back burner
because there's only 24 hours in a day.

01:10:18.389 --> 01:10:18.669
Mm-hmm.

01:10:18.750 --> 01:10:23.370
. And those things can be your
family, friends, relationships,

01:10:23.519 --> 01:10:24.509
whatever the case may be.

01:10:24.509 --> 01:10:25.169
And it may not.

01:10:25.349 --> 01:10:25.469
Mm-hmm.

01:10:25.740 --> 01:10:28.650
. But at the end of the day, you
have to do what means something

01:10:28.650 --> 01:10:30.870
to you and you have to do.

01:10:31.559 --> 01:10:36.030
, something that you have set forth
for yourself, not what other

01:10:36.030 --> 01:10:38.400
people are evaluating success by.

01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:38.670
Mm-hmm.

01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:42.420
, I mean, if that was the case, anybody who
isn't making a ton of money would be, you

01:10:42.425 --> 01:10:44.340
know, by, by a lot of people's standards.

01:10:44.639 --> 01:10:44.730
Mm-hmm.

01:10:45.269 --> 01:10:49.530
would be essentially, they would negate
their entire existence on account of

01:10:49.530 --> 01:10:52.349
they never reach a certain financial
freedom or whatever the case may be.

01:10:52.349 --> 01:10:52.440
Right.

01:10:52.769 --> 01:10:56.040
Which is completely preposterous
and also so short-sighted that it's

01:10:56.040 --> 01:11:00.900
almost, you know, a self licking ice
cone, ice cream cone as ice cone thing

01:11:00.900 --> 01:11:06.540
described , you know, the, there is
a certain amount of money the people

01:11:06.540 --> 01:11:09.200
have studied that have looked at it
and said, yeah, money actually does.

01:11:09.330 --> 01:11:11.550
By happiness, I'm sure it
can up to a certain level.

01:11:11.820 --> 01:11:12.090
Right.

01:11:12.090 --> 01:11:14.220
Like you need, if you're
not getting food mm-hmm.

01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:17.250
, if you don't have a roof over your
head, if there's certain things, if you

01:11:17.250 --> 01:11:22.410
can't get back and forth to your work,
you're not gonna be very happy and it is

01:11:22.410 --> 01:11:24.540
gonna be a downward  spiral from there.

01:11:24.870 --> 01:11:29.080
So at a certain point, when all
of those basic needs are met, the.

01:11:30.410 --> 01:11:34.769
addition of money does not
have the same exponential.

01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:34.889
Mm-hmm.

01:11:35.309 --> 01:11:40.590
, uh, benefits towards a person's happiness
that many people would place on it.

01:11:40.594 --> 01:11:44.610
In fact, it can have the inverse
effect of making them more and more

01:11:44.610 --> 01:11:48.000
miserable or amplifying the negative
things that are in somebody's life.

01:11:48.719 --> 01:11:55.650
And, you know, I think most people,
the biggest thing that a rich person

01:11:55.650 --> 01:11:58.650
can have would be to be rich in time.

01:11:59.280 --> 01:12:02.370
Essentially, financial freedom.

01:12:02.370 --> 01:12:06.150
To be able to choose what you wish
to be able to do with your time, I

01:12:06.210 --> 01:12:09.599
think is the epitome of being rich.

01:12:11.070 --> 01:12:15.510
I am a hundred percent on
board with this hypothesis.

01:12:15.809 --> 01:12:19.559
I, you know, yes, absolutely.

01:12:19.559 --> 01:12:20.219
Absolutely.

01:12:20.219 --> 01:12:26.040
How if, if the, if the
financial situation.

01:12:26.860 --> 01:12:31.815
is in line with the goals of how I
want to leave my life in a meaning, in

01:12:31.815 --> 01:12:36.045
a meaningful way, and, and, and how I
want to explore and how I want to be out

01:12:36.045 --> 01:12:37.305
in the world and doing certain things.

01:12:37.335 --> 01:12:41.205
And it's really interesting because
again, because there's so many people

01:12:41.205 --> 01:12:43.635
with victim mentalities, when they're
looking at people that are financially

01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.695
successful, there's always a, a
nefarious reason why that's the case.

01:12:47.025 --> 01:12:47.505
And.

01:12:48.285 --> 01:12:52.755
The fact is I have met some of the
most financial, financially secured

01:12:52.755 --> 01:12:56.595
people and they have done more in the
financial standpoint in terms of generous

01:12:56.595 --> 01:12:58.215
donation and whatever the case may be.

01:12:58.215 --> 01:13:01.695
And yes, you know, there are tax breaks,
but that's not what we are talking about.

01:13:01.695 --> 01:13:05.295
We are talking about people that
invested an incredible amount of

01:13:05.295 --> 01:13:07.965
money that they don't owe anybody.

01:13:08.175 --> 01:13:08.355
Mm-hmm.

01:13:08.865 --> 01:13:10.455
on account of helping the collective.

01:13:10.455 --> 01:13:14.715
So some of the, some of the most selfless
and caring people I have seen utilize

01:13:14.715 --> 01:13:16.725
their financial means to help others.

01:13:17.115 --> 01:13:21.135
And so it's really easy to sort of
lump people in the same, in the same

01:13:21.135 --> 01:13:24.405
category on account of the things
that we didn't achieve ourselves

01:13:24.435 --> 01:13:25.695
and see ourselves as victim.

01:13:25.785 --> 01:13:31.455
Or we can say, if I was where I
need to be in a financial sense,

01:13:31.785 --> 01:13:36.105
could I be even more effective in
proliferating whatever goodness it

01:13:36.105 --> 01:13:37.575
is on account of the collective.

01:13:37.965 --> 01:13:40.175
And for me, this is
always a  a focal point.

01:13:40.365 --> 01:13:40.725
Mm-hmm.

01:13:40.970 --> 01:13:43.125
and, and we can have a million
conversations and I will

01:13:43.125 --> 01:13:44.055
always come back to that.

01:13:44.060 --> 01:13:44.345
Mm-hmm.

01:13:44.425 --> 01:13:45.645
, what are you doing for others?

01:13:46.455 --> 01:13:47.595
, what are you doing for others?

01:13:47.595 --> 01:13:51.855
And, and if you can't answer that start,
where did that drive to do for others?

01:13:51.855 --> 01:13:52.665
Where did that come from?

01:13:52.665 --> 01:13:59.475
Did you realize at a young age that your
happiness is dependent or co-dependent

01:13:59.475 --> 01:14:01.005
on another person's happiness?

01:14:01.065 --> 01:14:01.335
Yeah.

01:14:01.335 --> 01:14:04.995
It, I wouldn't say that it's my dependent,
that my happiness is co-dependent.

01:14:05.055 --> 01:14:16.845
I would say that, I would say that, um,
I've always been in positions where I

01:14:16.850 --> 01:14:22.455
was on a wrong end of certain situations
and, and there was never anybody to help.

01:14:22.905 --> 01:14:24.585
And when there, and when there wasn't.

01:14:24.585 --> 01:14:26.684
And so I'm talking about
being a youth here.

01:14:26.684 --> 01:14:26.775
Sure.

01:14:26.775 --> 01:14:30.585
I'm talking about being, you know, in a,
in an environment that wasn't conducive

01:14:30.585 --> 01:14:32.565
to being the person I was at the time.

01:14:32.565 --> 01:14:33.795
I wish I was that person.

01:14:33.795 --> 01:14:37.184
And, and, and, and some of the
challenges that came along with that

01:14:37.305 --> 01:14:40.545
and some of the exposure to either
violence or whatever the case may be.

01:14:40.550 --> 01:14:40.665
Mm-hmm.

01:14:40.745 --> 01:14:41.105
, but it was.

01:14:41.745 --> 01:14:47.325
Uh, daily operation and for me, it,
it was always about is there anything

01:14:47.325 --> 01:14:49.125
I can do to help somebody else?

01:14:49.125 --> 01:14:54.015
And once you have gained, once you have
tasted what it feels like to truly and

01:14:54.015 --> 01:15:01.515
viscerally help somebody in life, in
whatever field, in whatever way that you

01:15:01.515 --> 01:15:05.565
are capable of, there is not a single
feeling in the world that beats that.

01:15:05.775 --> 01:15:05.955
Mm-hmm.

01:15:06.495 --> 01:15:09.495
, there isn't a single feeling in
the world, a feeling of success

01:15:09.495 --> 01:15:15.315
that beats having made a positive
impact on other people's lives.

01:15:16.125 --> 01:15:18.105
And I, I don't care.

01:15:18.245 --> 01:15:21.315
I, I, I kind of don't really
care how you look at it.

01:15:21.315 --> 01:15:22.605
You need to experience it.

01:15:22.855 --> 01:15:25.635
You kind of need to experience
it to feel what it feels like.

01:15:26.355 --> 01:15:30.645
And then, and then after you're,
you know, it's almost, it's almost.

01:15:31.605 --> 01:15:33.795
Uh, you are going to
wanna proliferate that.

01:15:33.795 --> 01:15:34.035
Mm-hmm.

01:15:34.115 --> 01:15:35.535
, you are going to wanna replicate that.

01:15:35.535 --> 01:15:39.225
You are going to want, and so
is some of it self-serving?

01:15:39.615 --> 01:15:40.335
Absolutely.

01:15:40.340 --> 01:15:40.785
It is.

01:15:40.995 --> 01:15:44.265
There's no, I would be, should be
sitting here, disingenuously telling

01:15:44.270 --> 01:15:49.155
everybody I'm not doing this for, for
me it should be, it's a part, it's a,

01:15:49.155 --> 01:15:51.195
it's a big part of who I'm doing it for.

01:15:51.195 --> 01:15:52.335
I, I am doing it for me.

01:15:52.335 --> 01:15:54.975
I want to feel good about my
contribution to the world.

01:15:54.975 --> 01:15:59.805
It doesn't need, I don't need to le
le leave a legacy that speaks my name.

01:15:59.810 --> 01:16:00.075
Mm-hmm.

01:16:00.155 --> 01:16:01.075
, I do not mm-hmm.

01:16:01.155 --> 01:16:03.405
. But what I need to do is to
leave a quiet legacy that

01:16:03.835 --> 01:16:05.265
continues proliferating goodness.

01:16:06.345 --> 01:16:08.775
And, and, and I don't need
to take credit for it.

01:16:08.835 --> 01:16:10.155
I just need it to continue.

01:16:10.275 --> 01:16:13.125
And that's something that
for me, provides my life.

01:16:13.125 --> 01:16:13.545
Meaning.

01:16:13.605 --> 01:16:13.815
Mm-hmm.

01:16:14.925 --> 01:16:22.995
a uh, I think there's a lot of value to
recognizing what it does for you or the,

01:16:23.625 --> 01:16:25.845
for the person who's helping others.

01:16:26.460 --> 01:16:29.250
because you know, oftentimes
you hear someone say, oh, I keep

01:16:29.250 --> 01:16:31.530
helping other people, and they
keep taking advantage of me.

01:16:32.070 --> 01:16:34.679
Well, if you're coming back and saying
that they're taking advantage of

01:16:34.679 --> 01:16:38.340
you, it's probably because you had an
expectation out of that interaction

01:16:39.030 --> 01:16:40.950
that isn't now being fulfilled.

01:16:40.980 --> 01:16:45.150
But if you can recognize that your
expectation is simply that you get

01:16:45.150 --> 01:16:48.690
enjoyment out, the fact that you can
help others, and it's up to you to be

01:16:48.690 --> 01:16:53.550
able to choose those people who you
wish to help or not, what they do with

01:16:53.554 --> 01:16:55.679
it afterwards is entirely up to them.

01:16:55.679 --> 01:16:58.080
If they want to throw it right
back in your face and you feel

01:16:58.080 --> 01:17:01.590
like you're being taken advantage
of, well maybe you're not helping.

01:17:01.620 --> 01:17:03.840
Maybe you're not doing these
things for the reasons that you

01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:05.040
actually think you're doing it for.

01:17:05.790 --> 01:17:06.810
. Yeah, precisely.

01:17:06.900 --> 01:17:10.740
I mean, that's, that's a constant
dichotomy and it's, and it's seems to

01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:14.760
be rampant and people are very quick to
point out on how many humans disappointed

01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:16.320
them and whatever, and it's like, yeah.

01:17:16.320 --> 01:17:17.400
Humans will disappoint.

01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:18.060
Yeah.

01:17:18.090 --> 01:17:19.410
That is an absolute fact.

01:17:19.415 --> 01:17:22.440
And you can get, if you get
guaranteed of one thing in this life

01:17:22.440 --> 01:17:23.910
is that humans will disappoint you.

01:17:23.915 --> 01:17:24.140
Mm-hmm.

01:17:24.480 --> 01:17:26.010
. But will you disappoint you?

01:17:26.190 --> 01:17:26.400
Mm-hmm.

01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:28.440
, I'm not here to change your world.

01:17:28.440 --> 01:17:31.140
I'm just, I'm just here to make
sure the world doesn't change me.

01:17:31.500 --> 01:17:34.350
And that's a very different
perspective on things.

01:17:34.440 --> 01:17:34.710
Right.

01:17:35.310 --> 01:17:40.770
That should be on your t-shirt, , . We're
starting a t-shirt, a t-shirt line.

01:17:40.890 --> 01:17:43.890
I actually went out, I think I
mentioned it to you before when I

01:17:43.890 --> 01:17:45.900
was a teenager, I had, uh, this idea.

01:17:46.425 --> 01:17:48.715
They had these no fear t-shirts
everyone was wearing mm-hmm.

01:17:48.795 --> 01:17:51.675
. I was like, they should make one that
says no, your limits N O your limits.

01:17:51.675 --> 01:17:52.695
Like you have no limits.

01:17:53.505 --> 01:17:56.205
. Anyways, my kids are like, dad,
you know, you could just go on

01:17:56.205 --> 01:17:58.125
like Zazzle and make your own.

01:17:58.130 --> 01:18:00.405
So I went ahead and I
made my damn t-shirt.

01:18:00.495 --> 01:18:05.235
But, uh, uh, yeah, I think maybe,
uh, people listening, you wanna

01:18:05.240 --> 01:18:06.224
see one of those on a t-shirt?

01:18:06.224 --> 01:18:06.974
You let us know.

01:18:07.125 --> 01:18:07.844
We can make it happen.

01:18:08.775 --> 01:18:12.554
, we'll do a collaborate, co
collaborated, uh, project between

01:18:12.615 --> 01:18:14.505
Raven Strategic and Silver Core.

01:18:14.505 --> 01:18:15.195
Absolutely.

01:18:16.125 --> 01:18:18.855
new t-shirt lines like Harley
Davidson are the most successful

01:18:18.855 --> 01:18:20.144
t-shirt company out there, right?

01:18:21.795 --> 01:18:22.934
? Uh, yeah.

01:18:22.934 --> 01:18:35.684
It's, it's, and this is man,
people, humans are hurting, hurting.

01:18:35.775 --> 01:18:40.425
Like, I think we are vastly underestimated
how much humans are hurting.

01:18:41.115 --> 01:18:42.065
Vastly underestimate.

01:18:42.065 --> 01:18:42.884
On what level do you think?

01:18:42.945 --> 01:18:45.434
Um, I mean from a, from a.

01:18:46.290 --> 01:18:51.210
Just a a meaning of life standpoint, just
from a emotional and mental standpoint.

01:18:51.210 --> 01:18:55.200
Just from like, we are, it,
it, it's completely insane.

01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:56.670
And, and who isn't?

01:18:57.450 --> 01:19:01.800
People that are consistently fraught
with adversity, people that are

01:19:01.805 --> 01:19:03.270
consistently confronted by it.

01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.990
I was in Haiti, as you mentioned,
as you alluded to earlier, not on

01:19:06.990 --> 01:19:09.270
a personal vacation with my family.

01:19:09.270 --> 01:19:09.920
With your family?

01:19:10.170 --> 01:19:10.380
Yes.

01:19:10.385 --> 01:19:13.480
And my, and my, and my, and
my, uh, in the cheap seats?

01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:18.750
Pomeranian Fru-Fru . But, um, but I
was in Haiti doing some work, and I

01:19:18.750 --> 01:19:21.870
had a conversation, a very insightful
conversation with some of the people I

01:19:21.870 --> 01:19:28.200
was, I was working with and asked, I,
I've spoke to mental wellness and suicide,

01:19:28.200 --> 01:19:33.720
and the conversation inherently went a
little weird as people were looking at me

01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:35.520
going, why are people killing themselves?

01:19:36.434 --> 01:19:39.705
So I'm thinking, okay, there's a
few reasons why these guys would

01:19:39.705 --> 01:19:41.144
be completely oblivious to this.

01:19:41.144 --> 01:19:43.695
It's either they're, they're
messing with me mm-hmm.

01:19:43.940 --> 01:19:46.575
, or it's taboo to the point where
they don't want to talk about

01:19:46.575 --> 01:19:49.995
it, or they're privileged and
they haven't been exposed to it.

01:19:50.035 --> 01:19:50.235
Right.

01:19:50.240 --> 01:19:51.674
So I, so I, which one is it?

01:19:51.705 --> 01:19:56.985
So I started doing some research on, um,
some of the sites, the peer reviewed sites

01:19:56.985 --> 01:19:58.934
where we have a lot of academic material.

01:19:58.995 --> 01:20:03.855
And I started reading and I found
that Haiti actually has a 7% per

01:20:03.855 --> 01:20:08.594
hundred per, uh, a hundred thousand
people lower suicide rate than in

01:20:08.655 --> 01:20:11.174
America, than in the States and Canada.

01:20:11.264 --> 01:20:11.985
Interesting.

01:20:12.014 --> 01:20:19.034
And I'm like, okay, let me, let, let me,
let me get this straight into my head . So

01:20:19.034 --> 01:20:24.809
what we have here, and by the time I was
done in Haiti, I've spoken to people to 18

01:20:24.815 --> 01:20:28.920
year old that have spent hours with dead
bodies in front of their house that have,

01:20:28.980 --> 01:20:32.280
that have seen all kinds of violence,
proliferated against civilians, that

01:20:32.280 --> 01:20:37.019
have seen all kinds of deaths and murder
and, you know, whatever the case may be.

01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:41.760
And yet have no concept of why
would someone even consider

01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:42.780
taking their own lives.

01:20:43.860 --> 01:20:50.760
And we take this and, and bring it
over America now, and we have the most

01:20:50.764 --> 01:20:52.860
comfortable lifestyle we've ever had.

01:20:53.429 --> 01:20:57.330
We minimize the amount of adversity
that we encounter on a daily.

01:20:57.330 --> 01:21:02.970
And in fact, most of our lives are without
adversity for the most part, and our

01:21:03.510 --> 01:21:08.550
suicide rates are skyrocketing, right?

01:21:08.820 --> 01:21:10.530
People don't have that adversity.

01:21:10.860 --> 01:21:11.900
They don't know how to deal with it.

01:21:11.900 --> 01:21:15.840
Eade Shapen would say out of suffering
have emerged as strongest souls.

01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:18.480
The most massive characters
are seared with scars.

01:21:19.020 --> 01:21:19.290
Absolutely.

01:21:19.350 --> 01:21:20.970
And that would speak to that.

01:21:21.030 --> 01:21:24.200
That is so interesting.

01:21:24.300 --> 01:21:24.510
Yeah.

01:21:24.510 --> 01:21:33.840
So it was a very, it was a very,
it was a very telling, um, you

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.960
know, consequentially speaking.

01:21:37.964 --> 01:21:41.594
Now, how does this, and so what I do
with this information is, okay, well

01:21:41.594 --> 01:21:45.044
we're not changing the way we live in
North America and this isn't going to

01:21:45.044 --> 01:21:49.065
happen, so this is unrealistic, but
how is this now applicable to my own

01:21:49.065 --> 01:21:53.565
life and how do, how can I look at
how I conduct business on account of

01:21:53.565 --> 01:21:54.884
having that in the back of my mind?

01:21:54.884 --> 01:21:59.294
So I'll give you an example of this,
as parents do, I'm no different

01:21:59.535 --> 01:22:03.525
trying to prevent my kids sometimes
from experiencing some of the things

01:22:03.525 --> 01:22:04.964
that made me the person I am today.

01:22:05.054 --> 01:22:05.144
Mm-hmm.

01:22:06.014 --> 01:22:10.304
. And to a certain extent there is
value in that because I am lucky

01:22:10.304 --> 01:22:11.714
to have turned out the way I have.

01:22:11.719 --> 01:22:11.825
Mm-hmm.

01:22:11.905 --> 01:22:12.464
, it's not just.

01:22:13.175 --> 01:22:18.845
It's not just that what I experience
is what I experience in, in, in, in

01:22:18.850 --> 01:22:22.745
an amalgamation of, of Countess other
factors that made me successful in

01:22:22.745 --> 01:22:24.765
that, in, in that, you know mm-hmm.

01:22:25.055 --> 01:22:26.765
in that, um, endeavor.

01:22:26.770 --> 01:22:33.215
But had I been of different temperament,
had I had different social experiences,

01:22:33.275 --> 01:22:34.835
it, it could have went the other way.

01:22:34.895 --> 01:22:35.045
Mm-hmm.

01:22:35.285 --> 01:22:36.725
, and so I digress.

01:22:36.725 --> 01:22:43.715
But what I was going on with this
is essentially if I remove all the

01:22:43.715 --> 01:22:48.395
adversity to my kids in my kids' life,
what kind of tools am I giving them?

01:22:49.355 --> 01:22:53.375
It's just, and that's helicopter style
Parenting is very common here in the west.

01:22:53.675 --> 01:22:54.545
Very common lawn moin.

01:22:54.545 --> 01:22:57.905
Were you going front and you take care of
all the problems before they even go up?

01:22:58.265 --> 01:22:58.685
Sure.

01:22:59.075 --> 01:23:05.975
And I, and I, and, and this to me was
an sort of an exploratory tour into.

01:23:07.815 --> 01:23:14.735
How are these people so resilient and
how and how can they keep a positive

01:23:14.740 --> 01:23:16.545
outlook on account of the circumstances?

01:23:16.665 --> 01:23:18.075
And I don't get me wrong.

01:23:18.075 --> 01:23:20.445
I'm there for, you know, a
week, 10 days, and then I'm out.

01:23:20.625 --> 01:23:20.835
Mm-hmm.

01:23:21.795 --> 01:23:22.815
if everything goes well.

01:23:22.875 --> 01:23:22.965
Mm-hmm.

01:23:23.210 --> 01:23:28.155
, which evidently it did cuz I'm
here . But, but, uh, but it had

01:23:28.155 --> 01:23:30.165
me question, question everything.

01:23:30.705 --> 01:23:34.215
The way I conduct business with my kids
to make sure that I'm not overprotecting

01:23:34.215 --> 01:23:40.515
them that, but also that I'm evidently
not, uh, endangering them, so to speak.

01:23:40.755 --> 01:23:41.115
Mm-hmm.

01:23:41.175 --> 01:23:42.795
Willing willfully anyways.

01:23:43.155 --> 01:23:44.415
And um, yeah.

01:23:44.685 --> 01:23:47.055
Remember a friend of mine in
high school, he looks at me and

01:23:47.055 --> 01:23:48.795
says, man, you're so lucky, Trav.

01:23:49.045 --> 01:23:49.935
I said, well, why's that?

01:23:50.565 --> 01:23:52.245
Well look at all these issues you've had.

01:23:52.250 --> 01:23:53.205
Look at these problems.

01:23:53.210 --> 01:23:54.585
Look at this adversity you've had.

01:23:54.585 --> 01:23:59.580
He says, you know, My parents are
well off and I've never had any

01:23:59.580 --> 01:24:02.490
problems in my entire life, and
I'm resentful towards my parents.

01:24:02.490 --> 01:24:03.450
I'm like, are you kidding me?

01:24:03.450 --> 01:24:07.110
You're resentful that you've been
provided, like they've looked at

01:24:07.679 --> 01:24:11.400
what would be optimal for you, and
they've provided everything they

01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:16.170
think you can, but yet doesn't
matter where you come from.

01:24:16.170 --> 01:24:20.820
It seems people will look back and
look for reasons to be resentful, and

01:24:20.820 --> 01:24:25.620
he would try and seek out adversity
in some weird ways just so that he can

01:24:25.620 --> 01:24:27.330
have a little bit more life experience.

01:24:27.900 --> 01:24:28.230
Maybe.

01:24:28.230 --> 01:24:34.230
In one way, he recognized the fact
that there is value to, there is value

01:24:34.230 --> 01:24:37.769
in, in suffering, there is value in
pain, there's value to adversity.

01:24:38.540 --> 01:24:42.240
Um, and at that point I looked at
him and said, man, you're stupid . I

01:24:42.240 --> 01:24:43.740
mean, you've, you've got everything.

01:24:43.740 --> 01:24:44.790
You've got it all set up.

01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:46.799
Why are you so upset?

01:24:47.400 --> 01:24:49.349
Um, who knows?

01:24:49.349 --> 01:24:53.384
Maybe there's a, uh, , maybe
there's a lesson there somewhere

01:24:53.389 --> 01:24:56.144
in a, in a happy medium between
those two thought processes.

01:24:56.565 --> 01:24:56.834
Yeah.

01:24:56.834 --> 01:25:02.205
There's, there's no, there's no arguing
that it has to be a measured approach.

01:25:02.205 --> 01:25:06.705
I mean, there is a cost to benefit
ratio and, and, and there is

01:25:06.709 --> 01:25:08.415
no known algorithm for this.

01:25:08.419 --> 01:25:14.025
And I'm sure it can be quantified and
it's difficult, but if I look at, for

01:25:14.025 --> 01:25:20.714
example, the group that I was with in
Haiti  yes, the resilience was up, but

01:25:20.714 --> 01:25:22.785
also the meaning of life was lower.

01:25:22.844 --> 01:25:22.964
Mm-hmm.

01:25:23.235 --> 01:25:23.535
, right?

01:25:23.684 --> 01:25:26.625
And so, and so there's, there is
a cost associated with this, and

01:25:26.625 --> 01:25:28.035
you can't discount that cost.

01:25:28.094 --> 01:25:28.275
Mm-hmm.

01:25:28.365 --> 01:25:31.424
. But what we do know is we are
talking about an extreme here.

01:25:31.575 --> 01:25:31.695
Mm-hmm.

01:25:31.934 --> 01:25:34.815
, we're talking about an, an
extreme to another extreme.

01:25:35.294 --> 01:25:35.565
Right.

01:25:35.985 --> 01:25:40.214
And so, generally, as it
normally the case, the best

01:25:41.235 --> 01:25:43.155
place to be is generally mm-hmm.

01:25:43.235 --> 01:25:45.344
in a, in the middle somewhere
in a measured approach.

01:25:46.065 --> 01:25:52.980
And so, but it's good, I mean, having,
having and being exposed,  to that

01:25:52.980 --> 01:25:57.000
kind of, that kind of circumstance
and, and, and experience it sort of

01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.849
firsthand, you know, like just being
in country on the ground mm-hmm.

01:26:00.095 --> 01:26:04.050
and, and actually having to
be mindful that things can

01:26:04.055 --> 01:26:05.580
go majorly sideways, quickly.

01:26:05.580 --> 01:26:09.990
And having contingencies to deal with
that and whatever brings a dose of

01:26:09.990 --> 01:26:15.150
reality,  reality back into my life and
drag me outta my comfortable lifestyle.

01:26:15.450 --> 01:26:19.500
But it also, having the interaction with
the locals and having the conversations

01:26:19.500 --> 01:26:23.400
also shows me that there is value in
this, which we already know anyways.

01:26:23.430 --> 01:26:23.670
Mm-hmm.

01:26:24.360 --> 01:26:28.769
. And so now is how do I maximize
and optimize the experience by

01:26:28.769 --> 01:26:31.139
bringing this back to my country?

01:26:31.139 --> 01:26:36.330
And how can I, how does this impact
future speaking engagement, future

01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:38.880
coaching, engagement, future parenting?

01:26:38.885 --> 01:26:39.400
Mm-hmm.

01:26:39.815 --> 01:26:39.880
Ventures.

01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:40.120
Mm-hmm.

01:26:40.230 --> 01:26:40.800
, et cetera.

01:26:40.889 --> 01:26:45.345
You know, . And that's interesting,
the constant thought process of how

01:26:45.345 --> 01:26:49.685
we use this for growth, how we can use
this for financial growth, for personal

01:26:49.690 --> 01:26:54.085
freedom, for surrounding ourselves
with people that are gonna be positive

01:26:54.090 --> 01:26:56.685
influences and assist us in that endeavor.

01:26:57.135 --> 01:26:59.715
You know, I, I keep kind of going back
to that other thing that we're talking

01:26:59.715 --> 01:27:04.665
about, about financial freedom, giving
you the freedom of time and, you know,

01:27:04.665 --> 01:27:10.635
I, I grew up, oh, almost all of my
clothing was hand me downs, um, from

01:27:10.635 --> 01:27:17.835
other people's older kids, my toys, uh,
Jimmy Hull with say on most of my toys,

01:27:17.835 --> 01:27:22.725
Bob Hu ll he was head of the, uh, J I
B C Police Academy for quite some time.

01:27:22.725 --> 01:27:30.630
But, uh,  came from a very different
mindset and relationship with, uh,

01:27:30.660 --> 01:27:32.820
money and time and what I valued.

01:27:32.820 --> 01:27:36.840
And when I figured I'm gonna start
my own business, I had all of these

01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:41.010
goals and expectations for what
I felt were gonna be measures of

01:27:41.015 --> 01:27:43.140
success wi within that business.

01:27:43.860 --> 01:27:48.780
And I very, very quickly realized
that I don't care about money.

01:27:49.080 --> 01:27:57.480
And that relationship with money of
not caring really allowed me to earn

01:27:57.540 --> 01:27:59.790
money because I wasn't chasing it.

01:28:00.270 --> 01:28:02.790
And if I'm chasing something,
I'm always gonna be behind it.

01:28:02.790 --> 01:28:05.040
And it's like rockerfeller,
when a reporter wants asked him,

01:28:05.580 --> 01:28:06.870
look at how much money you have.

01:28:07.260 --> 01:28:08.460
Like, when's it enough?

01:28:08.490 --> 01:28:10.410
How much, how much more
do you need to make?

01:28:10.410 --> 01:28:12.660
He's said, just $1 more, right?

01:28:12.690 --> 01:28:14.160
Always just $1 more.

01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:18.510
So I took a different approach
and I, at a very early age, looked

01:28:18.510 --> 01:28:21.600
at what my value structure is and
what I hope to be able to achieve.

01:28:22.140 --> 01:28:23.100
Hasn't been easy.

01:28:23.730 --> 01:28:27.929
. But I'll tell you that the money aspect
of it tends to figure itself out.

01:28:27.929 --> 01:28:31.950
If you are working hard towards something
you believe in, it's not work anymore.

01:28:32.730 --> 01:28:36.240
And if you're bringing value to
others, which you very evidently are

01:28:36.240 --> 01:28:41.549
doing, that will see itself through
your hard work and through the value

01:28:41.549 --> 01:28:43.710
you're bringing, the money just comes.

01:28:43.740 --> 01:28:44.009
Mm-hmm.

01:28:44.254 --> 01:28:44.309
. Yeah.

01:28:44.309 --> 01:28:47.730
Provided that there is an actual plan
in place that's viable and you know,

01:28:47.730 --> 01:28:51.809
to, to, to  to go along with, to go
along with those amazing qualities.

01:28:51.900 --> 01:28:55.139
Oh, your, your plan . You
got a good plan, . Yeah.

01:28:55.139 --> 01:29:01.830
No, it's, I'm telling you, man, for me
right now, if, if hypothetical world.

01:29:02.565 --> 01:29:06.105
I'm totally financially free and I
don't have to work a day in my life.

01:29:06.110 --> 01:29:08.475
I would be traveling
the world incessantly.

01:29:08.805 --> 01:29:09.015
Yeah.

01:29:09.105 --> 01:29:09.975
Incessantly.

01:29:10.035 --> 01:29:12.915
Like I want to go and train everywhere.

01:29:12.915 --> 01:29:17.055
I want to go to Iceland and
spend three months there.

01:29:17.060 --> 01:29:18.525
I want to go, I love to go to Iceland.

01:29:18.525 --> 01:29:18.975
I know.

01:29:18.975 --> 01:29:20.235
I'm, I'm so going.

01:29:20.240 --> 01:29:20.265
Yeah.

01:29:20.325 --> 01:29:20.655
Yeah.

01:29:20.655 --> 01:29:21.855
That or that is a fact.

01:29:21.855 --> 01:29:25.715
As soon as I graduate from my program, my
current program here, I will be heading

01:29:25.715 --> 01:29:30.255
off  Reykjavík oh, I, I, and I want
to go in all the other areas, the less

01:29:30.255 --> 01:29:36.075
known areas and, and and, and there's,
there's so much beauty and power and,

01:29:36.185 --> 01:29:38.385
and, and oh man, all over the world.

01:29:38.390 --> 01:29:41.715
And I want, I don't want to
miss, miss out on any of it.

01:29:41.955 --> 01:29:46.385
So , I just want to, I just want
to get, get doing that and continue

01:29:46.390 --> 01:29:49.485
to, you know, proliferate goodness,
but do it around the world.

01:29:51.075 --> 01:29:53.265
Is there anything else that
we should be chatting about?

01:29:53.270 --> 01:29:57.315
I think we've talked about, uh, we've,
we've weathered one power outage.

01:29:57.405 --> 01:30:00.555
Um, talked about a fair
gamut of things here.

01:30:01.140 --> 01:30:02.160
Anything else we should be?

01:30:05.070 --> 01:30:05.580
Hmm.

01:30:07.200 --> 01:30:12.120
What have you And I have, is there
anything we've been discussing , well,

01:30:12.120 --> 01:30:16.140
we got some future plans, but I'm, I'm,
I tend to hold those closer to my chest

01:30:16.145 --> 01:30:19.920
because they, um, for two reasons.

01:30:19.925 --> 01:30:22.890
I, number one, if it doesn't pan
out quite the way, you don't want

01:30:22.890 --> 01:30:24.930
to turn around and look like you're
just blowing a lot of hot air.

01:30:24.930 --> 01:30:27.960
But the other one is there's a
dopamine release apparently when

01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:29.760
you pre-talk about your plans.

01:30:29.940 --> 01:30:30.030
Yep.

01:30:30.150 --> 01:30:32.880
And it gives you that artificial
feeling of accomplishment,

01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:35.340
which I've come to recognize.

01:30:35.370 --> 01:30:35.460
Mm-hmm.

01:30:35.700 --> 01:30:37.980
. So I will talk about
it after I've done it.

01:30:37.980 --> 01:30:40.860
We've got there, you've got some pretty
cool plans that you're looking at

01:30:40.890 --> 01:30:44.040
and I think there's a couple things
we can, uh, work together on to be

01:30:44.045 --> 01:30:47.250
able to help other people out there.

01:30:47.310 --> 01:30:47.550
Mm-hmm.

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and I'm really excited about that.

01:30:50.130 --> 01:30:55.515
Um, . But aside from those ones,
I think if people want to, uh,

01:30:55.725 --> 01:30:57.075
they can tune in, they can follow.

01:30:57.135 --> 01:31:00.555
We'll put links to your social,
we'll put links to your company

01:31:01.125 --> 01:31:02.235
so they know where to find you.

01:31:02.240 --> 01:31:05.505
If people, if you're looking for a
keynote speaker at an event mm-hmm.

01:31:06.195 --> 01:31:10.125
, I can't think of anybody better
than yourself to be speaking with

01:31:10.130 --> 01:31:14.385
such life experience and such, uh,
a powerful message to be sharing.

01:31:14.775 --> 01:31:18.675
I mean, even just, uh, that one that
you were doing before, you were the

01:31:18.675 --> 01:31:20.325
last speaker on that one, I believe.

01:31:20.355 --> 01:31:20.445
Mm-hmm.

01:31:20.685 --> 01:31:20.775
. Yeah.

01:31:21.375 --> 01:31:22.275
Tired audience.

01:31:22.280 --> 01:31:23.205
Tired crew.

01:31:23.635 --> 01:31:26.205
Everyone's like, all right, so
we got one more keynote speaker.

01:31:26.295 --> 01:31:31.035
And you've got the ability to, I
mean, you should have been, maybe

01:31:31.155 --> 01:31:33.765
there's a reason why they put you last
cuz they knew that you'd be able to

01:31:34.275 --> 01:31:36.195
get everyone just absolutely amped.

01:31:36.345 --> 01:31:36.585
Mm-hmm.

01:31:37.125 --> 01:31:42.465
. So if you're looking for someone
to, uh, share a life of, uh, wisdom

01:31:42.975 --> 01:31:48.945
built the hard way, there's gonna be
links in the, uh, description here.

01:31:49.544 --> 01:31:51.764
I think, I think we've
covered a, a fair gamut.

01:31:51.855 --> 01:31:52.785
Yeah, absolutely.

01:31:52.934 --> 01:31:55.995
I, I don't want to stick around just
to hear the sound of my voice, but

01:31:55.995 --> 01:31:58.754
I love having conversations with
you and I'm glad we did it again.

01:31:58.874 --> 01:32:00.144
Likewise, likewise Seb.

01:32:00.704 --> 01:32:01.605
Thank you very much.

01:32:01.754 --> 01:32:02.205
You are welcome.