WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.779 --> 00:00:25.009 Hello 00:00:25.009 --> 00:00:25.899 Anke: and welcome, Jeff. 00:00:25.969 --> 00:00:28.129 I'm super excited to have you here today. 00:00:28.949 --> 00:00:29.439 Jeff: Thank you, 00:00:29.439 --> 00:00:29.739 Anke: Anke. 00:00:31.169 --> 00:00:32.989 Well, let's get started. 00:00:33.059 --> 00:00:36.679 Before we dig into a topic that's really actually really dear to my 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:40.999 heart, um, let people know where you're based, what's your business? 00:00:42.599 --> 00:00:42.999 Jeff: Okay. 00:00:43.329 --> 00:00:48.899 Well, I'm, uh, I'm Jeff Grognett, veterinarian, and I'm in a place 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:50.709 called British Columbia, Canada. 00:00:50.999 --> 00:00:53.729 So, it's around the world from where you are, I guess. 00:00:54.489 --> 00:00:58.039 And the, um, uh, that, what that means is I'm on the west coast 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.829 of Canada, on Vancouver Island, in a place called Parksville. 00:01:01.219 --> 00:01:03.379 So, that's, that's where I am right now, looking at the 00:01:03.379 --> 00:01:04.859 water out of my office window. 00:01:05.354 --> 00:01:13.044 Okay, uh, but the, uh, the, uh, the way to, uh, find me if you're, uh, 00:01:13.074 --> 00:01:16.754 looking for me is online, because that's where, what I do now is 00:01:16.764 --> 00:01:19.044 primarily online education teaching. 00:01:19.794 --> 00:01:21.594 Okay, so, so that's where I'm 00:01:21.594 --> 00:01:21.774 Anke: hiding. 00:01:22.514 --> 00:01:25.634 Oh, that's such a lovely place, and it's still on my bucket list. 00:01:27.264 --> 00:01:32.624 So, well, I can basically give away how I found you. 00:01:33.229 --> 00:01:38.699 Because I saw VET and the word holistic before that, so Okay. 00:01:40.644 --> 00:01:44.234 Like, share a little bit, like how, obviously you became a veterinarian 00:01:44.244 --> 00:01:49.524 because you wanted to work with animals, like what made you shift across to a 00:01:49.524 --> 00:01:53.764 more holistic approach, or is that what you got trained in, I would suspect? 00:01:53.824 --> 00:01:53.994 No. 00:01:54.674 --> 00:01:58.129 Jeff: No, no, I was trained like any other veterinarian. 00:01:58.349 --> 00:02:02.829 And that is, I was put into the conventional camp, so when I 00:02:02.829 --> 00:02:08.029 graduated, uh, that was 40 years ago, so it's before, before you were born 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:14.289 probably, uh, but anyway, back then, uh, there was, uh, they hadn't even 00:02:14.349 --> 00:02:16.419 invented the world, uh, the word. 00:02:16.769 --> 00:02:19.789 alternative or holistic or anything like that. 00:02:20.089 --> 00:02:22.239 Okay, there's still, it just wasn't there. 00:02:22.609 --> 00:02:26.359 And so when I graduated the, this is the key, I was told to 00:02:26.359 --> 00:02:28.229 vaccinate dogs and cats every year. 00:02:29.119 --> 00:02:33.129 I was told to feed them a really well balanced food like green dog chow. 00:02:34.489 --> 00:02:40.049 And then, uh, and then also as I call it parasite control, just 00:02:40.109 --> 00:02:43.329 pick the toxin you want to put on because if it works, it's fine. 00:02:44.584 --> 00:02:45.084 Okay. 00:02:45.084 --> 00:02:46.764 So, so that's where I started. 00:02:47.554 --> 00:02:52.084 And then over the years, uh, I'm, I'm with someone who looks at things and 00:02:52.084 --> 00:02:56.994 sort of gets critical of them and it's kind of like, why are we doing this? 00:02:57.284 --> 00:02:57.634 Okay. 00:02:57.644 --> 00:03:01.654 And the, uh, one of the, one of the best things to look at, and this is what 00:03:01.654 --> 00:03:06.444 really started, the first thing that started my journey was, uh, vaccines. 00:03:06.614 --> 00:03:10.604 If you remember back in the 1990s, there was a shift. 00:03:11.124 --> 00:03:15.374 from every year vaccines, and then they suggested, I'll put in 00:03:15.374 --> 00:03:17.694 brackets, every three year vaccines. 00:03:18.594 --> 00:03:20.934 They actually didn't suggest every three years, they suggested 00:03:20.934 --> 00:03:22.834 it the most every three years. 00:03:23.244 --> 00:03:26.594 Uh, but nobody read the at most part, they just put it on three years 00:03:26.594 --> 00:03:28.044 if they were switching schedules. 00:03:28.604 --> 00:03:32.934 But my question was, why are we even looking at the three year thing? 00:03:33.084 --> 00:03:34.954 Because we know they last a lot longer. 00:03:35.334 --> 00:03:39.024 So, so I thought we started on that path, and then along 00:03:39.024 --> 00:03:40.884 with that, I had my own dog. 00:03:41.394 --> 00:03:46.134 And there I was putting I, as I call it, the kibble that I 00:03:46.134 --> 00:03:49.924 was supposed to be selling to clients into my dog's food bowl. 00:03:50.724 --> 00:03:53.984 And, uh, I thought, oh, this is kind of getting boring. 00:03:54.264 --> 00:03:58.294 And so I started making my own food, going that route. 00:03:58.924 --> 00:04:02.964 And then it was more a case of Uh, and this is really interesting. 00:04:03.384 --> 00:04:09.244 The, with our, with our dog, and she was a lab pit bull cross thingy that we got from 00:04:09.244 --> 00:04:11.214 the shelter, you know, the whole story. 00:04:11.934 --> 00:04:14.954 Uh, surprisingly, she didn't have any actual physical 00:04:14.964 --> 00:04:16.714 ailments like most vets dogs do. 00:04:17.304 --> 00:04:23.624 Uh, but we ended up, uh, just, uh, feeding her this other, you know, adding, 00:04:23.694 --> 00:04:29.754 uh, homemade food, and her hair coat got better, and she really enjoyed it. 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.269 So, oh, this is kind of weird. 00:04:33.579 --> 00:04:35.059 This isn't supposed to happen. 00:04:35.479 --> 00:04:37.459 Because I was already feeding the premium food. 00:04:38.859 --> 00:04:41.359 So, that makes you start looking at things. 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:45.009 And that was the path that we started back in the, in the 1990s. 00:04:45.009 --> 00:04:47.459 And it was like, okay, we've got to start switching things up. 00:04:48.109 --> 00:04:53.099 And, uh, and I took my first course in, actually it was acupuncture. 00:04:53.769 --> 00:04:57.259 Uh, in, uh, I guess it'd be the year 2000. 00:04:57.499 --> 00:04:59.839 And, and that was the start of everything. 00:05:00.069 --> 00:05:02.879 And that is I moved right into the holistic field. 00:05:03.269 --> 00:05:04.549 I practiced with my wife. 00:05:05.019 --> 00:05:06.359 She's a veterinarian as well. 00:05:06.969 --> 00:05:12.269 And between the two of us, we created a holistic practice, which was totally 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:16.279 different from what we had envisioned we were going to be doing together. 00:05:17.254 --> 00:05:19.394 And so that really got things going. 00:05:19.804 --> 00:05:24.184 And now, uh, because I've, I've moved out of practice and I'm just doing the, 00:05:24.244 --> 00:05:30.734 just doing the education part, uh, the, uh, now I'm, my reach is so much bigger. 00:05:30.734 --> 00:05:35.874 I'm really helping a lot more people, uh, and through my courses, uh, 00:05:36.144 --> 00:05:40.274 I'm really changing things on how people look at the holistic world. 00:05:40.794 --> 00:05:41.254 Anke: Hmm. 00:05:41.354 --> 00:05:41.924 I love that. 00:05:42.304 --> 00:05:45.014 I was thinking, boy, wish I'd met him. 00:05:45.694 --> 00:05:49.874 Well, when I first got my first dog in 2004, it was the same thing. 00:05:49.904 --> 00:05:54.354 The vet told me here, get the premium kibble, you know, and he had skin 00:05:54.354 --> 00:05:58.804 problems and all kinds of, you know, digestion wasn't right and 00:05:58.814 --> 00:06:00.554 the fur wasn't looking too good. 00:06:00.614 --> 00:06:05.664 And then I came across an ebook that somebody had written who had a similar, 00:06:05.994 --> 00:06:09.004 you know, his dog passed away early. 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.179 And he started looking and I, the only thing I remember from 00:06:12.179 --> 00:06:13.499 that book was read the labels. 00:06:14.459 --> 00:06:18.699 And I started to look at the ingredient list of the kibble and any dog food. 00:06:18.699 --> 00:06:22.639 I've never given my dog any of that ever again, you know, and there was the 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:27.799 same experience, you know, like health, you know, the, the, the code, the, 00:06:27.969 --> 00:06:31.389 everything changed with, you know, yeah. 00:06:32.379 --> 00:06:32.679 So. 00:06:33.379 --> 00:06:37.829 The people, like, are you aiming at people like me, if you say, 00:06:37.829 --> 00:06:41.609 well, okay, your, your educational programs, are they aimed at other 00:06:41.689 --> 00:06:45.839 vets and, or dog owners, or which one 00:06:45.929 --> 00:06:46.239 Jeff: primarily? 00:06:47.059 --> 00:06:52.159 No, I have taught veterinary assistance for 20 years, actually. 00:06:52.309 --> 00:06:56.659 Uh, and so that, that's for people that want to work at vet hospitals, 00:06:56.929 --> 00:06:58.739 but that's not a holistic program. 00:06:59.304 --> 00:07:02.924 Uh, there's this, the only one that would ever fly was Dimensional, which I 00:07:02.924 --> 00:07:08.784 started two, over two decades ago, and I'm finishing that in the next two months. 00:07:08.854 --> 00:07:10.424 I'll be leaving that to somebody else. 00:07:10.934 --> 00:07:15.204 Um, but the, no, the courses I'm teaching in terms of holistic work 00:07:15.464 --> 00:07:17.514 are not geared towards veterinarians. 00:07:17.604 --> 00:07:20.204 Uh, they're geared, I've got two levels. 00:07:20.534 --> 00:07:26.004 One is the, I call it the entry person who's going, I heard about something 00:07:26.004 --> 00:07:31.914 called holistic, okay, and they're wondering what's the first steps and, 00:07:32.174 --> 00:07:36.134 and the first steps, of course, are going through the food and figuring 00:07:36.134 --> 00:07:40.554 out what to do, and then, uh, reduce, reducing the vaccines, so you're not 00:07:40.554 --> 00:07:44.804 doing any harm, uh, trying to eliminate some of the insecticides, the poisonous 00:07:44.914 --> 00:07:48.914 insecticides you're putting in the body, uh, so that's, that's the beginnings. 00:07:49.119 --> 00:07:53.229 And so I've got a, I've got a program for the beginning people, and then I've got 00:07:53.239 --> 00:07:56.009 one for, it is called Become Your Own Vet. 00:07:56.409 --> 00:08:02.519 And what that's for is that, for example, if you've been feeding, uh, homemade 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:07.639 or raw for the last decade, you're, you've really sorted out all the things 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.989 I just talked about, then you start looking at, Okay, what are the things 00:08:11.989 --> 00:08:14.199 I can really start fine tuning here? 00:08:14.599 --> 00:08:18.964 So when my dog has diarrhea, What am I going to do with this, you know, 00:08:18.974 --> 00:08:23.474 rather than having to zip through the, I call it the textbooks, which 00:08:23.584 --> 00:08:30.034 I guess now it's called internet, but that way you can get some really good 00:08:30.034 --> 00:08:32.374 ideas on how to treat things yourself. 00:08:32.764 --> 00:08:36.534 And a lot of it is being able to just find out what's going on. 00:08:36.844 --> 00:08:38.704 That way you've got your own options on what you can 00:08:38.744 --> 00:08:39.204 Anke: do. 00:08:41.034 --> 00:08:44.494 That's so incredible, Harfolk, because like especially I'm just thinking, oh 00:08:44.494 --> 00:08:49.124 my god, you know, because here it's a lot of the time, actually when I started 00:08:49.124 --> 00:08:53.644 researching for Leo and for my dogs, I found that a lot, especially around the 00:08:53.644 --> 00:08:59.584 vaccinations, a lot of the, what I felt, opinions that made more sense to me. 00:09:00.019 --> 00:09:02.389 were actually coming from Canada, right? 00:09:02.419 --> 00:09:06.949 And if they didn't, I don't think they've actually made the Spanish textbooks yet. 00:09:06.949 --> 00:09:10.319 So if you go to a vet here, you'll get this, Oh no, no, we 00:09:10.319 --> 00:09:12.019 need to vaccinate every year. 00:09:12.029 --> 00:09:15.789 And they can't tell you a kind of a medical reason why that would be, 00:09:16.189 --> 00:09:20.319 you know, so to be able to advocate. 00:09:20.954 --> 00:09:23.124 You know, be an advocate for your own dog. 00:09:23.134 --> 00:09:25.074 I think that is so incredibly helpful. 00:09:25.074 --> 00:09:30.664 You don't depend on, you know, I guess it's like with our own health as well. 00:09:31.044 --> 00:09:35.064 It's that same like taking responsibility, taking ownership of it and not passing 00:09:35.064 --> 00:09:38.224 it, farming it out to, hey, you tell me what to do with my health. 00:09:38.224 --> 00:09:39.334 Yeah, 00:09:40.514 --> 00:09:42.804 Jeff: taking ownership is the big one, right? 00:09:43.134 --> 00:09:48.174 And the, I mean, probably the best, best example of that is the vaccine issue. 00:09:49.384 --> 00:09:53.344 , uh, because they're, what, what's happened is a lot of people, uh, 00:09:54.294 --> 00:09:56.904 this is what, this is what happens, and this is what goes wrong. 00:09:57.324 --> 00:10:00.414 A lot of people just start reading things on the internet and all 00:10:00.414 --> 00:10:02.664 they read is vaccines are bad. 00:10:02.724 --> 00:10:03.594 They're deadly. 00:10:03.684 --> 00:10:04.464 Avoid them. 00:10:05.044 --> 00:10:05.814 And that's the end of it. 00:10:07.064 --> 00:10:11.704 You know, and it's kind of like my, my, uh, query mind 00:10:11.704 --> 00:10:13.644 said, well, what is it exactly? 00:10:13.654 --> 00:10:17.204 And what do we really know about what vaccines do? 00:10:17.874 --> 00:10:17.954 Okay. 00:10:17.964 --> 00:10:24.524 And so the, I mean, very simply, the reason the alarm went off on vaccines was 00:10:24.524 --> 00:10:31.184 back in the 19, 1995, they, they found out that, oh, Vaccine, the injection 00:10:31.184 --> 00:10:33.824 of vaccines was causing cancer in cats. 00:10:35.234 --> 00:10:38.124 And it's like, oh, there's something not right here. 00:10:38.664 --> 00:10:41.844 And so that spread into, then spread into the dog world. 00:10:41.844 --> 00:10:44.744 And it's not the fact that the injections cause cancer in dogs. 00:10:44.944 --> 00:10:48.984 The question was, well why, in cats we're looking at reducing 00:10:49.184 --> 00:10:50.624 to every three years or longer. 00:10:50.959 --> 00:10:52.459 Why aren't we doing that in Dogland? 00:10:53.539 --> 00:10:55.859 And so it spread into the Dogland. 00:10:55.859 --> 00:11:00.649 And the, what we found out after that, or before that actually, was 00:11:00.659 --> 00:11:04.119 that vaccines actually do cause harm. 00:11:05.169 --> 00:11:08.189 And that is they can trigger hemolytic anemia. 00:11:08.929 --> 00:11:12.359 If you've ever heard of that, it's where the immune system, 00:11:12.359 --> 00:11:13.859 it's an autoimmune disorder. 00:11:13.999 --> 00:11:17.039 It's where the immune system attacks the red blood cells in the bloodstream. 00:11:18.164 --> 00:11:20.104 It can make them so anemic that they die from it. 00:11:20.854 --> 00:11:23.374 Okay, so it's a major, major problem. 00:11:23.834 --> 00:11:27.464 Uh, the other thing, of course, is that you can have, uh, triggering 00:11:27.484 --> 00:11:29.964 bone inflammation in young puppies. 00:11:30.409 --> 00:11:34.199 So you give the vaccine and then all of a sudden their joints are just on fire. 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.389 And it's called hypertrophic osteodystrophy, which is a great big term. 00:11:38.779 --> 00:11:42.709 Um, but the point is that it's, that's linked to vaccines that 00:11:42.719 --> 00:11:45.559 have lots of things in, what we call multivalent vaccines. 00:11:46.329 --> 00:11:50.809 You know, and then the, uh, the other things that, uh, of course is 00:11:51.179 --> 00:11:53.669 vaccines can make allergies worse. 00:11:54.829 --> 00:11:58.229 And there's a big debate on whether or not vaccines can actually trigger 00:11:58.229 --> 00:11:59.789 the allergy in the first place. 00:12:00.424 --> 00:12:02.954 But the point is, if we've got a dog that's predisposed to 00:12:02.954 --> 00:12:05.664 having allergies, look out. 00:12:05.844 --> 00:12:08.624 You don't want to vaccinate during their allergy season, or you 00:12:08.624 --> 00:12:09.884 don't want to vaccinate, period. 00:12:10.574 --> 00:12:16.834 Okay, and then the most common disease that dogs die from right now is cancer. 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.329 There is certainly, there's a very proposed link there. 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.679 I'm still looking for papers that can put this whole thing together, 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:27.199 but this is where the problem lies. 00:12:27.859 --> 00:12:32.559 Conventional vets say a vaccine reaction only occurs within 48 hours. 00:12:32.629 --> 00:12:34.979 Anke: Ah, so you never catch any long term. 00:12:35.909 --> 00:12:35.939 Jeff: Right. 00:12:37.209 --> 00:12:39.219 Yeah, and that's where the problem lies. 00:12:39.359 --> 00:12:42.099 And so it depends on how you decipher the data. 00:12:43.069 --> 00:12:46.369 Even the hemolytic anemia thing, which usually occurs about three 00:12:46.369 --> 00:12:49.619 weeks after the vaccine, they say, no, it's got nothing to do with it. 00:12:50.479 --> 00:12:52.159 Well, yes it is, you know. 00:12:52.339 --> 00:12:56.489 And, but the other, the kicker about that one is, in the conventional text, 00:12:56.889 --> 00:13:01.754 it says, If you've had a dog with hemolytic anemia, don't vaccinate it. 00:13:04.104 --> 00:13:05.704 Anke: So they do know then, you know, 00:13:05.974 --> 00:13:08.034 Jeff: I mean, but it doesn't trigger it. 00:13:08.674 --> 00:13:09.504 Anke: No, no, no, no, no. 00:13:09.574 --> 00:13:10.244 It's nothing to do with. 00:13:10.244 --> 00:13:10.504 Yeah. 00:13:11.184 --> 00:13:11.524 Yeah. 00:13:12.254 --> 00:13:16.824 So, so obviously the vaccines are given to prevent certain diseases. 00:13:16.944 --> 00:13:17.964 Like that's the idea. 00:13:18.054 --> 00:13:18.334 Right. 00:13:18.644 --> 00:13:19.044 So. 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:23.339 So what's, what's one to do then? 00:13:23.669 --> 00:13:26.819 Like the vet here will tell me, you know, like you've got to vaccinate 00:13:26.819 --> 00:13:29.299 and even like, I mean, I don't know, like here there's certain things 00:13:29.309 --> 00:13:33.349 that are like legally required, you know, on the other hand, it's like, 00:13:33.349 --> 00:13:37.809 well, I don't want to pump more stuff into my dogs than, than, you know. 00:13:38.379 --> 00:13:43.509 Jeff: Okay, so let's look at the one that isn't usually legally required, and that's 00:13:43.689 --> 00:13:45.949 for dogs is distemper and parvo vaccines. 00:13:46.474 --> 00:13:46.734 Right? 00:13:47.244 --> 00:13:53.174 And we can get away with giving, uh, rather than doing the puppy series 00:13:53.174 --> 00:13:58.174 where you do 8, 12, 16 weeks or whatever numbers they come up with, you can get 00:13:58.174 --> 00:14:00.834 away with just giving one after 16 weeks. 00:14:01.569 --> 00:14:05.949 Okay, as in that's when all the, this is complicated stuff, all the maternal 00:14:05.949 --> 00:14:09.849 antibodies have gone, there's not going to be any more interference with the vaccine. 00:14:10.249 --> 00:14:15.239 You can give it and about 97 percent of dogs respond to a vaccine over 16 weeks. 00:14:16.049 --> 00:14:20.224 Now, when you were younger, Anke, You probably had some 00:14:20.224 --> 00:14:22.214 vaccines when you were this tall. 00:14:22.984 --> 00:14:25.234 How many boosters have you had since you've been an adult? 00:14:25.894 --> 00:14:27.764 Anke: Well, I, I mean, that's, that's the thing. 00:14:27.764 --> 00:14:31.614 Like, I only had one and that was for a trip to Peru where it was 00:14:31.824 --> 00:14:33.484 required to have certain vaccines. 00:14:33.514 --> 00:14:36.554 But other than that, you know, it wouldn't, it wouldn't happen. 00:14:36.924 --> 00:14:37.204 Jeff: No. 00:14:37.264 --> 00:14:37.474 Yeah. 00:14:37.734 --> 00:14:41.364 So it was a regulatory reason, not a medical reason. 00:14:41.754 --> 00:14:41.904 No, 00:14:41.904 --> 00:14:44.614 Anke: no, totally, yeah, because you needed to have them, or I don't 00:14:44.614 --> 00:14:47.184 know, there was some that you needed, and some were like, okay, don't 00:14:47.234 --> 00:14:49.104 go there without that, you know, 00:14:49.114 --> 00:14:50.014 Jeff: so, yeah. 00:14:50.364 --> 00:14:56.824 Yeah, so, so the point is that we, as a species, humans, we have vaccines 00:14:56.824 --> 00:15:02.504 when we're little, little guys, and then we're good for the next 80 years. 00:15:03.359 --> 00:15:04.299 Or something, right? 00:15:04.809 --> 00:15:10.149 In other words, and I'll specify, the viral vaccines that we got when we were 00:15:10.149 --> 00:15:15.419 young confer a lifetime immunity, okay? 00:15:16.059 --> 00:15:23.539 In dog land, we know that Distemper and Parvo are definitely good for nine years. 00:15:24.554 --> 00:15:25.584 That has been proven. 00:15:25.614 --> 00:15:29.674 They've done all kinds of tests on that, so we know they last for nine years. 00:15:30.144 --> 00:15:33.584 The World Small Animal Veterinary Association actually said we 00:15:33.584 --> 00:15:37.244 know it works for nine years, comma, and possibly a lifetime. 00:15:37.244 --> 00:15:38.844 They actually put that in there? 00:15:40.364 --> 00:15:46.824 So, so based on that, if we can prove that the dog has responded to the vaccine that 00:15:46.824 --> 00:15:54.869 it got at 16 weeks old, and we can do that by doing a titer, then We know that the 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:59.379 animals responded to the vaccine, we've got immunity there, we have, and then, 00:15:59.439 --> 00:16:01.889 and what we also say is we have memory. 00:16:02.539 --> 00:16:06.019 And memory means that we have cells of the immune system that have 00:16:06.019 --> 00:16:08.759 responded, and they're going to be there for the lifetime of the animal. 00:16:09.189 --> 00:16:11.649 And if you read any immunology text, it'll tell you that. 00:16:12.809 --> 00:16:17.819 So, based on that, as long as we can prove that, that your puppy responded, 00:16:18.589 --> 00:16:20.989 we do not need to give any more vaccines. 00:16:21.734 --> 00:16:25.204 And as a side thing, we don't even need to do any more titers. 00:16:26.664 --> 00:16:30.604 Because even if that level goes down, the immune system is still there. 00:16:30.834 --> 00:16:31.524 It's primed. 00:16:31.664 --> 00:16:32.604 It's ready to go. 00:16:34.064 --> 00:16:38.744 And so, what happens then is if the disease came along and you've got 00:16:38.744 --> 00:16:43.464 a dog that's 10 years old and it was exposed to Parvo, it has what's 00:16:43.464 --> 00:16:45.334 called an anamnestic response. 00:16:46.109 --> 00:16:50.389 And that means it's ready to go, and it charges up, and it kills the invader. 00:16:51.009 --> 00:16:52.919 And this is the key. 00:16:53.809 --> 00:16:58.659 If you ask veterinarians, how many dogs over 5 years old have 00:16:58.659 --> 00:17:00.109 you ever seen with distemper 00:17:00.139 --> 00:17:00.759 Anke: or pyro? 00:17:01.869 --> 00:17:03.859 And so we can now associate with puppies, 00:17:03.909 --> 00:17:04.079 Jeff: right? 00:17:04.869 --> 00:17:05.359 That's right. 00:17:05.589 --> 00:17:05.819 Yeah. 00:17:06.309 --> 00:17:06.649 Yeah. 00:17:06.709 --> 00:17:12.584 And so the point is And it's, it's a young dog disease, and if they've 00:17:12.584 --> 00:17:14.634 been vaccinated, they are protected. 00:17:14.664 --> 00:17:15.614 We know that. 00:17:16.304 --> 00:17:21.134 And I was, I mean, when I was in vet school, turn the clock back 40 years, 00:17:21.854 --> 00:17:24.384 I was told that, there's two things. 00:17:24.774 --> 00:17:27.984 I was told that the, by the immunologists, that parvo 00:17:27.984 --> 00:17:30.014 vaccines are really, really good. 00:17:30.329 --> 00:17:33.879 And if you either have the vaccine or you have the disease in a dog, 00:17:34.399 --> 00:17:35.929 you've got immunity for life. 00:17:36.049 --> 00:17:38.609 I was told that by the immunology professors. 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:43.449 And then I went to the clinical side and they said, don't 00:17:43.449 --> 00:17:44.839 forget to vaccinate every year. 00:17:46.409 --> 00:17:48.509 I mean, it makes no sense, does it? 00:17:48.749 --> 00:17:49.319 Okay. 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:51.919 So, so there you go. 00:17:52.139 --> 00:17:57.849 So that's, that's what I call it in, in my dog world, the one and done routine. 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:00.569 And that is you can, you can get away with giving the one 00:18:00.579 --> 00:18:02.639 vaccine and then you're done. 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.229 Uh, in terms of the other ones, and you're going to be talking about Lyme and Lepto 00:18:07.229 --> 00:18:11.719 and all that, there's good justification for not doing those vaccines as well. 00:18:11.969 --> 00:18:14.869 And that's something I go in, in my courses. 00:18:15.159 --> 00:18:19.449 And that is, there's There's more side effects to the vaccine than there are 00:18:19.449 --> 00:18:25.209 protection and so, so there's, there's good reasoning to, to avoid those as well. 00:18:25.889 --> 00:18:31.679 Anke: Oh, but I'm so glad, like I'm, I'm so glad to, you know, to kind of 00:18:31.679 --> 00:18:35.129 get that confirmation because like, like everything I've looked at, it's like 00:18:35.129 --> 00:18:39.059 that, that's what it points to, but you go, don't go tell a vet here, you go tell 00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:41.629 them, you know, it's like, you've got to. 00:18:41.904 --> 00:18:44.624 You know, and, and so, well, I'm not an expert, like, you know, that's, 00:18:44.824 --> 00:18:48.424 that's the conundrum of, like, you find yourself where you're sort of critical 00:18:48.424 --> 00:18:52.964 of, of the, the, what you're being told, you know, but then it's like, 00:18:53.164 --> 00:18:55.174 yeah, but they're the expert, right? 00:18:55.174 --> 00:18:57.894 So who am I to know, right? 00:18:57.894 --> 00:19:01.404 But on the other, on the other hand, like, if it doesn't make sense to me, I 00:19:01.404 --> 00:19:02.964 don't want to give it to my dog, right? 00:19:03.354 --> 00:19:03.794 So. 00:19:04.474 --> 00:19:04.944 Jeff: That's right. 00:19:05.214 --> 00:19:05.504 Yeah. 00:19:05.554 --> 00:19:10.334 Well, the, the key is you're the one who looks after your kid. 00:19:11.089 --> 00:19:12.859 The four legged kid, okay? 00:19:13.009 --> 00:19:15.009 It's just like you having a two year old daughter. 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:22.089 You are in charge of all the food, all the vaccines, all the everything that's 00:19:22.089 --> 00:19:28.169 going to create that person, uh, in good health and growing up to be, uh, you 00:19:28.169 --> 00:19:30.239 know, a wonderful person later on, right? 00:19:30.749 --> 00:19:34.269 And so the key is, you're making decisions on your dogs all the time. 00:19:35.179 --> 00:19:38.049 And if you can get the education, then you'll know why 00:19:38.049 --> 00:19:39.429 you're making those decisions. 00:19:39.939 --> 00:19:43.379 And you'll be able to make them in the best health for their animal, 00:19:43.479 --> 00:19:44.969 that's all totally possible. 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:47.859 Anke: Yeah, and make them with more confidence, right? 00:19:47.859 --> 00:19:53.439 So, yeah, that's So, where can people go to, you know, get hold of the courses, 00:19:53.489 --> 00:19:55.379 get, you know, find out more about you? 00:19:56.349 --> 00:19:56.519 Well, 00:19:56.539 --> 00:20:00.189 Jeff: if they want to find me, uh, internet, obviously. 00:20:00.499 --> 00:20:04.429 And my, um, my website is New Earth Vet. 00:20:04.819 --> 00:20:07.719 So, New Earth Vet, all in one word. 00:20:09.564 --> 00:20:13.494 And if you, if you go there, uh, I've actually got a book, uh, and it's 00:20:13.494 --> 00:20:18.274 called Your Holistic Pet, a guidebook to optimal health, and it's free. 00:20:18.684 --> 00:20:21.924 And so I just get on that page, go down, you'll see a link and you can 00:20:21.934 --> 00:20:27.004 download that book and that'll get you started and talks about a lot about 00:20:27.004 --> 00:20:31.144 what I just did, along with all the other things I haven't talked about too. 00:20:32.054 --> 00:20:32.344 Okay. 00:20:32.454 --> 00:20:35.424 So that's a great way to get an introduction. 00:20:35.444 --> 00:20:37.454 Go moving into the holistic world. 00:20:38.159 --> 00:20:38.689 Anke: I love that. 00:20:38.689 --> 00:20:43.859 Thank you so much for, you know, opening that whole world for people 00:20:43.879 --> 00:20:47.879 because I think there is so much good we can do for our docs by, 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:52.349 you know, taking that ownership and getting involved and getting educated. 00:20:52.619 --> 00:20:55.259 So thank you for your work and thanks for coming on. 00:20:55.869 --> 00:20:56.809 Jeff: You're very welcome. 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:57.939 Thank you for having me, Anke. 00:20:59.927 --> 00:21:01.157 Thanks so much for listening. 00:21:01.677 --> 00:21:05.977 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:21:06.077 --> 00:21:07.857 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:21:08.647 --> 00:21:12.137 If you haven't already, 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