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We're living in a time where safety's
become the goal of everything, yet the

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sense of real adventures disappearing.

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Those are the words of today's guest,
A man who set the world altitude record

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for the highest electric para motor
flight who's flown hundreds of miles

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in a vintage open cockpit biplane.

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And who describes himself as an
old soul living in a modern world.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
Podcast, Nathan James.

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How's it going, everybody?

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So, should I refer to you as
Mr. Drift O or Sir Drift o

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You know, I, everybody, uh, recognized
me as Sir Drift o and that name,

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I guess, kind of rings a bell,
so I shake my head on that one.

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But it works.

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I. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have
links in the description here.

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Yeah.

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And people can check out your social
media feed and what you're up to.

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But honestly, out of all the people
on social media that I follow, if

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you aren't in the top place for the
coolest Instagram account, you're

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definitely up there in the top five.

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It's, thank you.

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Insane.

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The adventures that you're on, the cool
vehicles, the planes, the motorcycles.

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I mean, y you're living what most
people would aspire to or dream of as

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kids looking in these old magazines
saying, man, one day I'd love to

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fly this plane or drive that car.

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Thank you.

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How'd you get into all

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that?

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I appreciate those words.

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I, um, life is short.

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That's the biggest thing I can
take away from anything is just

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you gotta keep on pursuing those.

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Those ideas that always
resonate in your head.

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And for me, I guess that's worked
all, all these years and prevented

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a lot of hospital visits somehow.

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And I don't know how,

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were you close to
hospital visits at times?

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Surely with your adventures?

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There's been a couple of hospital visits.

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There's been, uh, my fair share.

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But you know, when you think about the,
I call it the risk to reward ratio.

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I, I, it's words that I live by in
every single thing I do that usually at

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some point in my twenties, the risk to
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risk was much higher than the reward.

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And because of that, a couple incidents
I had hospital visit and, and you

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know, the, the times that were behind
it, I'm like, this wasn't a good idea.

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I, you know, but I, over the course
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shockingly that there hasn't been more.

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You know, one of the things that, uh,
we do Silvercore, we've got a club.

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Yeah.

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We've got a private podcast that
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they ask questions and stuff.

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And I had a question that came up
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individual moved to a new province.

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He's getting into hunting, but he's
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about, like, he says, I know this
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I've got this fear of like, when I'm
hiking I yell out, Hey bear, hey bear.

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But when I'm hunting I
gotta be stealthy and quiet.

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And so we talked about that
relationship, like when you're

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young risk, it falls on you.

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If I mess up, it's on me.

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When you get older, you start got
relationships and families and that

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risk falls on everybody else around you.

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And there's a different balancing
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How do you look at risk and balance it?

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So early on I, it was kind of like,
I'm just going for this and seeing

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what the results would happen.

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And that was a really big, uh, I'd
say an outlook or I guess turn of

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events in my twenties, and I would
either reanalyze after the fact.

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Like great example is there was so
many incidents when I was flying a

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paramo, which is a power paraglider.

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Early on, this would've been early 2010,
2011, there was so many moments in that

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po timeframe where I would be flying and
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the weather was like very questionable.

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Like, this is either gonna put you
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you in the stratosphere, right?

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I had either one yet, I would still
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knowing that these conditions exist.

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Fast forward now, I'm like,
I'm gonna analyze this weather.

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It's clearly not flyable, so
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Unlike in my twenties.

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I'm like, just gonna go for
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It doesn't work always.

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And I think the older you get, you realize
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better than the risk involved in this.

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And you know, that could be a tall tale
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still do questionable things at this age.

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But in my twenties there
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I would just go for it because I
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At least what I thought was the
grass is greener on the other side.

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It was.

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Did the idea of the No.

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Did the idea of the risk
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Because I know when I was younger
growing up, my parents didn't think

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I'd live past 10 and they said, well
maybe 17, that's gonna be the number.

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You're not gonna live past there.

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'cause I would, I wouldn't think
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do things and somehow everything
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Does uh, when you were younger, was
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have an idea of what the risk could
be and you'd just do it anyways?

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When I was younger, you know, a great
example is I, I was in a dirt bikes

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when I was younger and at that point,
this was when two strokes, a two

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stroke motorcycle was still the new hot
commodity before four strokes took over.

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And I had a, Yamaha Wise Z 80, I
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It was an absolute rocket ship.

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There was a berm.

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And I, and I looked at that berm
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know what the options were on
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And I remember this still stays with me.

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You know, 30 years later I'm like, I
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speed off this berm, midpoint in the air.

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I realized that age
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And I literally had a timeframe of
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and it was the first time I had
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this particular area of this track.

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And I'm like, the consequences
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I was on crutches for weeks and weeks and
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In fact, I'd say that's a big.

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Ang Angular point of is this gonna
work or am I gonna regret this?

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And it's all because of
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And Mach two, you know,

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as one does,

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as one does

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at eight on a two stroke.

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fully in the power band, throwing it.

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Uh, and I mean, like for you, what,
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your youth, that like, this is going to
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You know, I, I kinda, I guess.

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I just believed your parents.

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I, I guess I'm gonna be
dead by the time I'm 10.

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I guess I'm gonna be
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Like, just, just live life, like, I
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He was blown up by a grenade
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in, over in, in Quebec.

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And he, I guess it was a training drill
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they actually did have faulty grenades.

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the side count, 1, 2, 3, throw.

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As opposed to what they're supposed
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Anyways, I guess he lived for
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blown out and then passed.

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Never met him, but, uh, I guess that
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mind 'cause it was my dad's best
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And, um, I, uh, I just figured,
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I guess that's about a good age he can
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that that's the course of things stupidly.

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It never really entered.

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And as you start getting older,
it was when I had a family, had

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kids of my own, I start thinking
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Like, I know I can do these
things, but it's usually from my

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experience, like running across
train tracks and uh, trains coming.

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I know I make it, but there's one
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up with me, he almost got clipped.

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And uh, it's uh, it's usually
the people around you that.

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Don't have that narrow focus
of winning that end up.

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Maybe they have the losing in their
head and they end up falling and

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tripping and, and having an incident.

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So that entered my head that my actions
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I like that perception of things.

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I, you know, I think I, there was, it was
heavily involved in my twenties where I

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questioned like, okay, you made it to 21.

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That's a benchmark.

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25 was a benchmark when I hit 30.

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I'm like, this is weird.

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I should not be here.

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Like, there's just so many, there's
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that I was like, I shouldn't be
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And then at 35 I'm like, oh man, am I
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This isn't a good side.

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And then it, it was, I wasn't
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but I was just, I was laughing.

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I'm like, there's no freaking way.

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I'm still here.

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And yet it just, the
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So I just, I've enjoyed the journey
of life and I, and I would say the

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biggest thing that I would always
look back at is regret is the worst

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feeling, especially in a man's life.

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I'm not saying it's not in a woman's
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there's certain aspects of regret,
those, those feelings never faked.

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And especially with the, when the
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avenues that you could have taken
in life or events, or actually it's

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just simple things that you wish you
had done because you hear about it.

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People on their deathbed,
do you have any regrets?

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And they list out those things and those
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The older people that, uh, individuals
that are like 80, 90, they're talking

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about regrets that were in the twenties
and that resonated with them a hundred

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percent up until their end of lifetime.

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And so, like, for me,
that always resonates.

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And I, and, and.

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I always counted every
birthday that hit me.

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I'm like, I'm still here.

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This is, this is weird.

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I, I think it's one of those things that
doesn't matter what path you choose,

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there's always gonna be options, right?

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If I go this path, I give up that thing
over here, there's never gonna be this

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situation where a person has everything.

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Um, and so, and so, I, I always look at
regret as, as that balancing act too.

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Like, I never wanna live to regret.

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I never want to look back and say, man,
I really wish I should have done that.

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And you know, there are times I get
into things and halfway through I want

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to quit, but I'm like, I don't wanna
look back at myself as a quitter.

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I might succeed.

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I do the thing and I never do it again.

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Because it just, I realized
halfway through it wasn't for me.

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But I can't stop halfway.

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I have to keep pushing through and
then, I don't know, maybe it's an a DHD

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thing, then I'm onto to the next thing.

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But, uh, that, that idea of
contemplating your own mortality, uh.

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It, it does a couple things.

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hopefully live without regrets.

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But it also, I find that you never
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you're riding that knife's edge
between one wrong decision could change

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everything, and those are the core
memories that tend to stick out to me.

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Not, not the mundane of
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It's where I pushed myself or that where
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Yes,

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it was real in my mind and, and
I pushed through anyways, I,

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I like that.

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That's, that's, it's the pushing through.

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That's, that's what makes the.

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Everlasting Mark on your life's memory.

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You know, I, I watch young people and
they do cold plunges and they, they will

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create situations of contrived hardship
so that they can push themselves.

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'cause I think in innately deep
down, we as a species need to push

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ourselves and need to feel challenged.

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And more and more we have all
of these modern conveniences.

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If we want food, we can have whatever
flavor of food we want delivered to our

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door within half an hour by DoorDash.

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If we want a certain item, it's just
a push of a button and Amazon's got

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it next door, next day or next hour
depending on what, where you live.

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But I see these hardships that people
are willingly putting themselves into.

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You

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remember from your experience?

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Yeah, go on.

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You remember like the perfect example
is that remember that device that

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you'd put on your stomach and it would
zap your abs so you would do nothing.

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Yes.

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And they said get eight minute abs.

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Like why not do the sit-ups, but
then they would like have right

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backpack taser systems, zapping
them while they're working and then,

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and I'm like, what direction are
the doctor holding that with life?

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If you're doing this for your abs, what
are you doing for your general meals or

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getting to like, I wanna like examine what
is in the mindset of I'm gonna zap my abs.

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So I get my workout so I don't
actually have to work out.

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I'm like,

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what?

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Well, you know, the whole mental
health industry is booming and

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it's, it's doing very, very well
and it's only getting better.

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And I think that, you know, some people
realize it, but a lot of people don't.

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They, they look at the, the
end result as happiness.

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They look at the end
result of having something.

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But there is, if people stop
and think about it, like is the

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happiness doesn't come from having,
generally it comes from acquiring.

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So, man, I'm excited.

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I really want to get a new lens
for my camera, blah, blah, blah.

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I go on and you get this new lens and
you're like, oh, that's nice lens.

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I can use it.

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But look at that lens over there, right?

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And there's always this.

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This perpetual cycle forward in
the same way of zapping your abs?

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Man, I'd be really happy if I had a six
pack and I could walk down the beach.

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Well, you know, the happiness I think
comes from the pursuit of whatever it is.

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That's where it's all found.

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And I think that's why people are
slowly starting to push themselves

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to do these harder things.

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And um, even if it's contrived, even
if you got this expensive plastic tub

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that you put in the backyard, that's
marketed as making you a certain way.

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Yes.

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But I got, I gotta wonder, what,
what sort of hardship do you think

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every young man or young person
should experience at least once?

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Uh, absolute chaos involved with
high stress and your optionality

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to get outta that situation is
very minimal in how you handle and

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compose yourself under that pressure.

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A lot of times, I think in modern times.

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We have something that's the ease of a
push of a button to make our life easier.

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Oh, this is difficult.

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I'm gonna have somebody
else handle the situation.

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And I think every young male, 18
or even 16 till they're 25 at one

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point, needs to be put in a situation
that either means life or death.

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If I don't bust my butt in this situation
and find an outcome to survive this,

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like true survival, not, oh, Denny's
is closed, I'm gonna go to ihop.

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I mean like if you don't make
the right decision making under

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pressure and this could be it.

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And, and even though that seems like,
wow, this seems a little bit drastic.

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When you're putting those in those
type of situations, your minds and

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how you perceive every situation
you're in completely changes.

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And what normally is a very high stress
situation, it gets repeated again,

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becomes less stress and less stress.

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And before you know it, you have
stuff that normally would send

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people over the edge and you're like.

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This is a walk in the park.

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It's no big deal.

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It's minute.

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It's literally, I wish I was put in
more stressful situations in my youth.

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Not so much to involve PTSD,
but just to really conform how I

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handle and strategically dissolve
this situation and make it work.

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I, I think that's a dying art.

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You think about in the World War II,
18 year olds, people that weren't,

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kids that weren't even 18, they're,
they're forging their name that they

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were 18, were eager to go fight.

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And, and they're put in these
situations and you look at the

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byproduct of those ones that did
survive is the greatest generation.

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They work hard, they figure out solutions.

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They literally make a situation that
would deem unfathomable work, and

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they survived and they grew and, and
built these lives that, I don't know.

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They're, they're gobys.

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I commonly hang out with
a good friend of mine.

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He's, he's 102 now.

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In fact, uh, not too long ago,
we flew in my plane down south.

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He was a World War II fighter
pilot, flew P 30 eights, Papa New

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Guinea, the most legendary guy.

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And, and I've known some amazing
individuals, but he's 102.

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He still flies to Cessna two 10 at
102, still has a current license.

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And I'm like, what has driven you to
not only make it to this benchmark that

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is unfathomable, but you're with such,
his mental clarity, everything is there.

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He survived in a war that if you,
honestly, if I was flying to P

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38 and Papua New Guinea and I,
and I got shot down, that's it.

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I mean, your survivability even to
be remotely located, but papa new,

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any, and, and yet you had all these
layers of stress throughout your life.

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You make it to 102, you're still
going, that's, that's like a

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staple go by book of what every.

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Young adults should have in modern day.

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And it's dying.

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I mean, it it,

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mm-hmm.

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It is.

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We're, we're becoming, and I hate saying
this, and some, this might offend some

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people, but you remember the movie
Wally, where everybody's on that mm-hmm.

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Floating cruise ship, going through
space, and they can barely move

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because everything is handed to them.

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That is literally the
direction we're going.

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And some people might
think, oh, that's crazy.

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That's not, that's not the direction.

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But the world is becoming easier
and making our lives easier,

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which is not necessarily a bad
thing, but how we're pursuing it.

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Like kids are relying on AI to
write their entire school paperwork.

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I, I never had that in my youth.

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I struggled.

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And yet one button, like
make my paragraph sound good.

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'cause that's changing the, how
we produce results in a short

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amount of time and so many factors.

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And this, we need struggle.

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Youth need struggle.

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Mm-hmm.

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And they, they need.

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That's my biggest conveying factor
if I had a kid, is I'm not gonna

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make your life necessarily easier.

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I'm gonna make it where you understand
how to get outta a situation.

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You learn, you adapt, you overcome.

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How would you do that for a child

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to make them hop on that dirt bike?

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You go over that berm, send it and I'm
not gonna come running to you and rub your

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head saying, oh, let's, we're done riding.

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Like, you're gonna get back on that bike.

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You're gonna ride some more.

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Mm. It's, it's the helicopter parents and
once again, I have no room to say I'm a, a

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parent right now 'cause I'm not a parent.

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But my, my parents did a
valuable lesson in my youth and

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that was to be outside to go.

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Try to jump that creek at whether
I make it or not, to go climb up

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in that tree house and frankly
fall outta that tree house.

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It, it's, it's those small steps of where
there was risk, there was danger, and you

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learned how to mitigate that in some ways.

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In other ways you didn't, but
it literally built this tunnel

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of resilience to your adulthood.

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And today you get handed an iPad, you
get handed a cell phone, everything

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is doing this, and then when you
get put in an emergency situation,

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that's the survivability goes down.

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If you've grabbed an 18-year-old out
of 1944, stuck him in the forest,

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said, I need you to survive for
five days, there's a pretty high

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probability that they would survive.

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If you stuck an 18-year-old today
in the same situation, I would

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say that probability is very low.

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I, you know, I, I tend to agree with you
and I, and I think it has less to do than

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with the actual knowledge or skillset of
surviving in the wild than it does with

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self-confidence and mental resilience.

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Yes.

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Because you start gi, start
giving up hope in the wild, and

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you'll just, you sink pretty fast.

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Your survivability rate goes right
down the tube and you go back a

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number of years where risk was a part
of the everyday life and you start

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realizing that to quote, fight club.

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You're not made outta glass, you're
carved outta wood, whatever it

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is, you, you can actually, um.

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You can do some things with
yourself and, and make it through.

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And I, and I noticed, like in our
society, I noticed, I think people are

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clueing into this because this whole
bubble wrapped, um, system that we have,

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I'm looking at play areas for youths
being constructed specifically with the

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idea of introducing controllable risk.

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They're gonna have heights and they're
gonna be falling and they might

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hurt themselves and they're gonna
have things that they can climb up.

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They're not all in enshrouded.

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And I, I think from a, uh, a
larger level, people are realizing

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that the, uh, resilience of our
youth has taken a massive blow.

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I, I think that, uh, your, your
solution to putting 'em on a dirt bike

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or doing something with some level of
controlled risk is, is the solution.

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And you've got helicopter parents
who'll fly over top and try

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and take care of everything.

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They got lawnmower parents who
will like, mow down all the

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problems they head to their kids.

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So the kids got this nice path to
work down and I've never seen a more

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depressed generation Yes, than these
kids who've never felt like they've

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actually earned it on their own.

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Like their, their decision mattered
that their, uh, consequences of

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their actions, uh, were something
that they could feel the relief for

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the failure from and learn from.

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The biggest issue too is that, you
know, with the ad advancement of

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technology, there's a lot of things
that are wonderful because of that.

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I'm not dissing on technology,
but everything is instant.

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People get instant replies,
instant on social media.

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You're, everything is then therefore.

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Develop the youth into
everything is instant.

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So when that instant process doesn't
come, such as working out and getting in

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really good shape, or finding ways that
instead of actually doing it the natural

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way, they're going to all these other
methods of, you know, I like fitness

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and I'm based off fitness, but I don't
have anything to show for fitness as far

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as, I don't need to do all these types
of medical concoctions that a lot of

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these 18 year olds are doing just to be
instantly in this great shape rather than

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simply working out over a period of time.

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The, the whole realm of modern
day in instant gratification

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is I think at an all time high.

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Everything has to be done faster,
everything has to be instant.

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And that's not a, that's
instant is not good necessarily.

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It helps in some ways, I
think it hurts in other ways.

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You look at like the actual cultivation
of a friendship, a relationship,

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any of those prospects back then.

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Done in a way that was genuine.

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The swipe right, swipe left
aspects is absolutely killing.

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The dynamic of human interaction is
absolutely killing actual progressive

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friendships that last decades.

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And for me, what if it's that bad now?

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What are we gonna do 20 years
from now, 30 years from now?

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What is it gonna be?

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Is this the whole interaction
of humans gonna transverse from

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actual human to human interaction?

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And people are gonna simply be talking to
a robot that's programmed to show empathy?

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It's weird.

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And for me, I'm not
looking forward to that.

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Hence why I'm gonna hop on my 50-year-old
motorcycle and go ride to a cars and

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coffee to actually talk to someone.

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I see that being the
commodity of the future.

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I can see I'm so past podcast.

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Yes.

458
00:24:12,345 --> 00:24:15,705
John Sonai, he's a futurist, and
I saw something pop up recently in

459
00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:19,215
his social feed and he's talking
about how people aren't falling in

460
00:24:19,215 --> 00:24:20,865
love in the way that they used to.

461
00:24:21,195 --> 00:24:26,145
And uh, his reasonable behind that
is that their dopamine system's been

462
00:24:26,145 --> 00:24:30,074
hijacked and they're looking for that
instantaneous, quick, quick, here you go.

463
00:24:30,074 --> 00:24:30,584
Next thing.

464
00:24:30,584 --> 00:24:35,205
And they're so overloaded that they don't
allow themselves the ability to, let's

465
00:24:35,205 --> 00:24:37,334
say, fall in love like people used to.

466
00:24:37,514 --> 00:24:41,415
Um, and you, you talk about
talking to an AI system.

467
00:24:42,135 --> 00:24:45,465
I remember reading an article, I think it
was a year, maybe it was two years ago.

468
00:24:45,525 --> 00:24:45,585
Yeah.

469
00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:50,535
And this is when AI is kind of coming up
and they said, uh, you know, this dating

470
00:24:50,535 --> 00:24:53,925
app, I don't know which one it was,
but you can create your own AI avatar

471
00:24:54,195 --> 00:24:58,785
and then you let it go out and your AI
avatar, you program it with your likes,

472
00:24:58,785 --> 00:25:00,435
your wants, your dislikes, whatever.

473
00:25:00,435 --> 00:25:00,765
Right.

474
00:25:01,065 --> 00:25:05,475
We'll go and date other AI avatars
and then it'll find a match for you

475
00:25:05,685 --> 00:25:07,995
based on those, the AI things dating.

476
00:25:07,995 --> 00:25:12,855
And then you can, if you wish, now
talk with that person behind a screen.

477
00:25:12,855 --> 00:25:14,535
Or maybe meet 'em up person.

478
00:25:14,535 --> 00:25:14,850
I unplugged the

479
00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:17,025
computer that, that the computer's.

480
00:25:17,025 --> 00:25:18,225
Holy crow.

481
00:25:19,425 --> 00:25:20,415
No kidding.

482
00:25:20,835 --> 00:25:21,645
No kidding.

483
00:25:22,035 --> 00:25:22,365
Yeah.

484
00:25:22,425 --> 00:25:27,165
It's, but I, I do see this, um, the
face-to-face, the social interaction.

485
00:25:27,165 --> 00:25:29,325
'cause even like, this
technology is great.

486
00:25:29,355 --> 00:25:31,155
You're where, you're
in Colorado right now?

487
00:25:31,245 --> 00:25:31,455
Yeah.

488
00:25:31,455 --> 00:25:32,985
I go between Colorado and Florida.

489
00:25:33,135 --> 00:25:33,585
Okay.

490
00:25:33,645 --> 00:25:36,525
And I'm in British Columbia and
we're able to have this conversation

491
00:25:36,525 --> 00:25:37,485
like we're in the same room.

492
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:40,710
More or less we're, we're gonna
be missing out on some of the

493
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:43,590
nuances and the actual connection.

494
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:46,350
But, you know, it, it helps
proxy that for a fairway.

495
00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:48,540
Uh, like that's fantastic.

496
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,639
Our, the younger generation, I find
they don't really want to do that.

497
00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:57,000
They're, if they have a video
going out, it'll be a one way feed.

498
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,280
It'll be them talking
about what's going on.

499
00:25:59,490 --> 00:26:03,060
Most of it's gonna be texting and
of the texting, it's gonna be little

500
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:06,090
emoticons and slang and whatever else.

501
00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:10,920
That level of connection
has drastically changed.

502
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:12,300
Um,

503
00:26:14,399 --> 00:26:17,610
I, I think, you know, I, I
do believe you're right that,

504
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:19,379
uh, having these real world.

505
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,650
Interactions is going to be
something that's gonna be the

506
00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:23,970
hot commodity of the future.

507
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,310
Um, I, I don't see that pendulum swinging
completely before it starts coming back.

508
00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:33,300
Something's gonna happen and it's, it's
gonna take people with real traditional

509
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:37,770
skills like yourself, who know how to
turn a wrench, who can understand how

510
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:42,300
an engine works, who understands their
relationship with fear, so that they

511
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:46,620
can do things that might otherwise be
scary and, and, and get through it.

512
00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:53,370
Um, I, I think that sort of, um,
I, I think that sort of archetype

513
00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:55,260
is gonna be coming back into favor.

514
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,610
The idea of toxic masculinity,
I think is well on its way out.

515
00:26:59,610 --> 00:27:05,280
And the idea of, you know, toxic
people is, is better understood.

516
00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:11,310
I, I gotta wonder though, so you talk
about, you talk about being put in a

517
00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:14,850
situation where everything's absolutely
outta your control and you just have

518
00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:18,720
to start reasoning and figuring your
way through it and gritting down.

519
00:27:19,139 --> 00:27:20,730
When was the first time
that happened for you?

520
00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:26,700
Well, I mean, very first time I've
photoshopped my report card in, you know,

521
00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:32,370
the sixth grade and we had parent teacher
conferences and I knew my D-Day time was

522
00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:38,520
coming up because I normally didn't get
B's and A's, and I didn't correlate that.

523
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,560
The parent-teacher conference
was the same week that I had

524
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,760
photoshopped that report card.

525
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,879
So that was a stressful situation.

526
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,720
And that was my first time, I'd say.

527
00:27:49,985 --> 00:27:50,274
Yeah,

528
00:27:51,774 --> 00:27:52,530
as far as, yeah, that

529
00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:53,340
that'll be a good one.

530
00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:54,780
Adulthood.

531
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:56,460
Well, let's see.

532
00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:03,300
You know one situation that always sticks
with me, and that's actually hilarious.

533
00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:06,330
I had bought an early seventies jet boat.

534
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:09,060
Typical Craigslist purchase looks fast.

535
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:10,980
This is a really dumb idea.

536
00:28:11,675 --> 00:28:15,345
But the looks fast part is the most
important aspect out of this ordeal.

537
00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:15,435
Mm-hmm.

538
00:28:15,765 --> 00:28:16,510
Buy this jet boat.

539
00:28:16,510 --> 00:28:16,520
Mm-hmm.

540
00:28:16,965 --> 00:28:18,255
First day out on the lake.

541
00:28:18,285 --> 00:28:23,055
It's got a, uh, 4 55 big lock
board to, I think it was like

542
00:28:23,055 --> 00:28:24,765
a 5 0 2 or something like that.

543
00:28:24,765 --> 00:28:27,855
A beautiful jetboat.

544
00:28:27,945 --> 00:28:29,865
I got it for an absolute steal.

545
00:28:29,895 --> 00:28:33,225
We're out in the water and I was
like, this thing, this thing's fast.

546
00:28:33,255 --> 00:28:34,215
I mean, it's real fast.

547
00:28:34,215 --> 00:28:38,745
And I'm sitting out on the lake and
I'm like, but the angle is concerning.

548
00:28:38,865 --> 00:28:41,025
Why is my angle like this?

549
00:28:41,205 --> 00:28:42,885
Keep in mind I am
completely new to boating.

550
00:28:43,215 --> 00:28:47,475
Never have done it before, but I go buy
the, you know, the dumbest thing you

551
00:28:47,475 --> 00:28:50,085
could buy in a boat, didn't start in a
canoe, just went straight to the jet boat.

552
00:28:50,745 --> 00:28:55,065
Well, apparently at some point there is
the most important thing that is the plug.

553
00:28:56,415 --> 00:29:00,015
And I sat there and I walked, and why
is the angle of this boat increasingly?

554
00:29:00,015 --> 00:29:02,955
And I initially thought
I had bought a bad boat.

555
00:29:03,015 --> 00:29:04,245
This thing is sinking.

556
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:07,755
Well, normally you
would just abandon ship.

557
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,419
At that point I was analyzing, okay,
the risk is high here, there's the

558
00:29:12,419 --> 00:29:14,520
situation is emergency and dire.

559
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,480
I'm gonna lose this boat.

560
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,399
It's gonna be at the bottom any minute.

561
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:19,260
And the water temp isn't that great.

562
00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:22,199
Well, I decided that it's still running.

563
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:28,770
I had decided to go wide open throttle,
and it planned out, it removed the water

564
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,754
even though it was gonna still sink.

565
00:29:29,754 --> 00:29:30,074
Mm-hmm.

566
00:29:30,155 --> 00:29:30,929
And I beached it.

567
00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:35,699
That situation, after I beached
it, I essentially saved the boat.

568
00:29:36,419 --> 00:29:40,020
I realized that my stupidity was still
strong because I forgot the plug.

569
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,810
But it was a situation that
could have been much worse.

570
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:47,820
And I realized that by just, instead
of giving up, analyze the situation,

571
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:50,490
figure out a solution, make it happen.

572
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:51,840
And it doesn't always work.

573
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:52,500
But

574
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:52,919
in

575
00:29:52,919 --> 00:29:56,879
this case, early on in my
teens, that that method worked

576
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:58,889
at that age, you're like, what the hell?

577
00:29:58,889 --> 00:29:59,879
I don't know what's going on.

578
00:29:59,879 --> 00:30:00,419
I got nothing.

579
00:30:00,510 --> 00:30:01,560
I don't know about the tram.

580
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,310
I don't know that.

581
00:30:03,209 --> 00:30:07,020
I guess you learned by putting throttle
on, you'd start draining the boat.

582
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:11,070
That was, uh, more than once I've been
out on a boat without a plug in it.

583
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:12,780
It's like, okay, just
gotta let this thing go

584
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,429
every time.

585
00:30:14,909 --> 00:30:21,719
Uh, so I would say that's probably
the, the, the real truly dire, like,

586
00:30:21,719 --> 00:30:24,780
you better do something quick and
act fast and think strategically,

587
00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:26,610
or this is gonna be Titanic.

588
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:27,480
Episode two.

589
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:33,449
Well, tell me about this
world record electric paramo

590
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:35,429
altitude that, that you set.

591
00:30:35,699 --> 00:30:36,899
How did that come about?

592
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:37,980
Man?

593
00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:41,939
So for like the last, when I
first started flying para motors,

594
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,090
I was always, um, fascinated.

595
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:51,870
You know, I, uh, the record aspect
of pushing the envelope when most

596
00:30:51,870 --> 00:30:53,370
people would say that's crazy.

597
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:56,520
And honestly the sport of para
motoring when you actually break

598
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,189
it down and if the audience doesn't
know what a para motor is, it's.

599
00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:04,050
A powered paraglider, you essentially have
a paraglider, which is fabric and string.

600
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:09,960
You have a frame that you strap yourself
into with gasoline under your buttocks.

601
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,720
And an engine spinning a carbon fiber
blade at a high rate of speed sounds

602
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,200
absolutely disastrous, but it's like
the most pure form of flying that I

603
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,060
think I've ever done in my entire life.

604
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:25,080
So I was doing this sport,
uh, for a good amount of time.

605
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:28,380
Uh, it was a long time I, I was flying.

606
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:33,330
And since beginning to the point of the
actual record, I've always wanted to

607
00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:38,820
set a record, whether I was distance,
any type of feasible record that was

608
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:45,270
sanctioned with the FAI, which is the
federal, uh, ati, um, association.

609
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:49,020
So they, they essentially is this
massive aeronautic association

610
00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:52,110
that's global and they, they've been
around since the early 19 hundreds.

611
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,550
Every record known to man.

612
00:31:54,165 --> 00:32:00,255
Armstrong's Moonwalk Armstrong's X 15
flight, Chuck Jagers, the Wright Brothers.

613
00:32:00,435 --> 00:32:04,545
Every record that has ever
been attained is in this book.

614
00:32:04,605 --> 00:32:05,805
It's in this record book.

615
00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:06,315
Hmm.

616
00:32:07,275 --> 00:32:13,095
Well, my objective at the time was
to always get a record established

617
00:32:13,095 --> 00:32:17,655
and to be in that book and not only
to break a record, but to set one

618
00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:18,975
that has never been set before.

619
00:32:19,035 --> 00:32:21,885
Well, that's difficult in the
sport Paramo because a lot of the

620
00:32:21,885 --> 00:32:24,315
Europeans have set all these records.

621
00:32:24,315 --> 00:32:28,875
I mean, they're the king of setting
records, especially the Dane French.

622
00:32:29,205 --> 00:32:30,615
They, uh, they're just good.

623
00:32:31,035 --> 00:32:34,575
So many friends over there, paramo
friends out of France, and I'm just

624
00:32:34,575 --> 00:32:36,345
like, you guys make croissants.

625
00:32:36,345 --> 00:32:39,315
Why can't you just focus on those
and let us set some of these records?

626
00:32:39,945 --> 00:32:44,025
And you know, my buddy Pascal said,
well, you gotta figure something out.

627
00:32:44,205 --> 00:32:49,670
So inevitably my fiance right now at
now what my girlfriend at the time.

628
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:52,440
She wanted to be part of this.

629
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,760
So our goal was to set the
tandem, uh, trike altitude record.

630
00:32:56,850 --> 00:33:00,000
That was the objective 'cause that
was held by the country of Hungary.

631
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:05,340
Well then it came into the process of
that when we were talking with the, the

632
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:08,190
sanctioned, the federal a association.

633
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:12,930
They said, Hey, there are some avenues
that haven't been approached yet,

634
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,400
and that is in the electric realm.

635
00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:16,500
And then this like light bulb turned on.

636
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:18,180
And I'm like, what do you mean?

637
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:19,470
I'm like, it's brand new.

638
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,990
We don't have anything down yet.

639
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:25,680
And we got wind that the British were
originally gonna try to set this.

640
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:30,480
So, uh, thanks to the amazing,
this isn't just a one man sort

641
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,650
of thing, it's a whole team.

642
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,190
I have friends that are just, I owe
forever gratitude to, because they,

643
00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:36,660
they literally made this happen.

644
00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:37,890
It would never happen without them.

645
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,560
We obtained an electric para motor that
was to spec and to their regulation.

646
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:44,520
It is brand new.

647
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,110
I mean, it's, it's still very new
and, and the development behind it.

648
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:52,740
We chose a location that was gonna work.

649
00:33:53,219 --> 00:33:56,399
And you know, the biggest thing
is that one small mistake on this

650
00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,980
record, it completely invalidates it.

651
00:33:59,010 --> 00:34:00,810
You have to, there's so many rules.

652
00:34:00,810 --> 00:34:03,449
A rule book is like this thick,
and I think a lot of people

653
00:34:03,449 --> 00:34:06,330
attempt these records, but when
one thing is off, that's it.

654
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:10,049
And then the process and everything
was just, it was shockingly.

655
00:34:10,049 --> 00:34:12,719
It's not like you can just go up,
do the record and hey, I'm done.

656
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,139
That's it.

657
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:17,790
There's a lot of pre-planning and that
was the biggest wake up call for me.

658
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:22,679
But somehow in all that context,
we got the perfect weather window,

659
00:34:23,009 --> 00:34:26,040
which I was shocked at because at the
timeframe where we took off and flew

660
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,759
from is notorious for horrific winds.

661
00:34:29,759 --> 00:34:31,259
It was up in Leadville, Colorado.

662
00:34:31,259 --> 00:34:35,069
I mean, it's smack dab in the middle
of the continental divide between these

663
00:34:35,069 --> 00:34:40,319
mountain ranges that westerly flowing
winds come in and they just, it turns into

664
00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:44,880
a very rough cup of soup for any pilot.

665
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:48,779
So the perfect conditions happened.

666
00:34:49,365 --> 00:34:53,985
We got everybody gathered, we got all
our sealed altimeters, which record all

667
00:34:53,985 --> 00:34:55,665
this data and I can't touch any of 'em.

668
00:34:55,665 --> 00:34:58,425
You have to have an FAI specialist there.

669
00:34:58,665 --> 00:35:00,225
They have to monitor
everything you're doing.

670
00:35:00,225 --> 00:35:03,765
They put the altimeters on you
and then you have to go and do

671
00:35:03,765 --> 00:35:07,125
your record and come back and they
remove those and if there's any,

672
00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:07,425
mm-hmm.

673
00:35:07,425 --> 00:35:10,845
I mean any discrepancies
in between that process.

674
00:35:11,505 --> 00:35:11,955
That's it.

675
00:35:12,135 --> 00:35:16,875
The record is invalid and I only had
one shot at this, so we got up there,

676
00:35:17,295 --> 00:35:19,275
the winds were behaving at the time.

677
00:35:19,275 --> 00:35:24,015
The biggest issue that for me was
temperature had this US Air Force flight

678
00:35:24,015 --> 00:35:28,185
suit that was, you know, insulated
to the degree that I looked like the

679
00:35:28,185 --> 00:35:33,345
Michelin man and had a heated gloves
and a full mass set up with oxygen.

680
00:35:33,345 --> 00:35:39,585
And um, I look back at that and I'm like,
temperature was a huge factor because

681
00:35:39,585 --> 00:35:43,875
on my initial climb I had wash, just
kept watching that thermometer fall.

682
00:35:44,505 --> 00:35:47,955
And you know, when we talk about this
risk to reward that we were talking about

683
00:35:47,955 --> 00:35:51,674
earlier on, that was always analyzing
through my head because I'd watched that

684
00:35:51,884 --> 00:35:54,615
temperature just drop and drop and drop.

685
00:35:54,615 --> 00:35:56,805
And there's multitude of
reasons why that's concerning.

686
00:35:57,404 --> 00:36:00,015
Battery life diminishes with temperature.

687
00:36:00,045 --> 00:36:04,395
Am I gonna actually get to the altitude
that I had wanted to objectively reach?

688
00:36:05,805 --> 00:36:09,195
The winds picked up, the
turbulence got worse.

689
00:36:09,195 --> 00:36:17,055
You had all these factors, but what made
the most impact was that everything in

690
00:36:17,055 --> 00:36:22,755
the end worked as we hoped, even though
we had all these avenues of struggle to

691
00:36:22,755 --> 00:36:26,145
get to that point, somehow it worked.

692
00:36:26,145 --> 00:36:29,654
And that's, I guess what I
perceived as Don't stop, don't

693
00:36:29,654 --> 00:36:31,545
give up, keep pushing on.

694
00:36:32,625 --> 00:36:36,585
So this record happened, and in
between this record, you know,

695
00:36:36,615 --> 00:36:40,424
the first fiasco that happened was
that I got sent up, temperature was

696
00:36:40,545 --> 00:36:42,225
almost minus 11 with the windshield.

697
00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:44,055
Everything was freezing up.

698
00:36:44,355 --> 00:36:45,045
The winds picked up.

699
00:36:45,045 --> 00:36:48,195
I got blown off course, and I'm
panicking trying to get back.

700
00:36:48,195 --> 00:36:49,965
'cause you have to get
back to your original spot.

701
00:36:49,965 --> 00:36:51,525
You cannot land anywhere else.

702
00:36:51,675 --> 00:36:53,685
It has to be from where you
took off to where you landed.

703
00:36:54,585 --> 00:36:59,025
Well, I somehow glided back pretty
close, but I didn't fully make it.

704
00:36:59,385 --> 00:37:02,325
That would've made that record invalid
if I just said, oh, we're good.

705
00:37:02,895 --> 00:37:06,735
So I had my buddy Jeremy put the
batteries back on full charge.

706
00:37:07,155 --> 00:37:11,535
Get, uh, any power that we can get because
I'm gonna try one more attempt just to

707
00:37:11,535 --> 00:37:13,035
make sure that this record is invalid.

708
00:37:14,145 --> 00:37:14,445
Hmm.

709
00:37:14,745 --> 00:37:16,545
He did an emergency charge.

710
00:37:16,545 --> 00:37:17,835
I warmed up everything that I had.

711
00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:18,765
My hands were frozen.

712
00:37:18,765 --> 00:37:21,405
My, um, get set up again.

713
00:37:21,465 --> 00:37:22,305
I take back off.

714
00:37:22,305 --> 00:37:22,995
Winds are picking up.

715
00:37:22,995 --> 00:37:25,065
This is midday, middle of winter.

716
00:37:25,755 --> 00:37:27,405
I get up to my trajectory altitude.

717
00:37:27,405 --> 00:37:31,845
Originally I was hoping for 18,000 feet
because, uh, that was just our objective.

718
00:37:31,905 --> 00:37:34,035
Regardless, it was gonna
be a benchmark set.

719
00:37:34,095 --> 00:37:39,915
But biggest mistake I made in that was my,
uh, first altimeter that I was reading.

720
00:37:39,915 --> 00:37:41,535
My personal one shut down.

721
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,370
That made me concerned that the
other ones were shutting down.

722
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,240
So I take my glove off and then,
and I'm at four 14,000 feet, almost

723
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,660
15,000 feet wing is collapsing.

724
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:52,890
I'm getting frontals.

725
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:56,190
I'm all over the place, and
I'm still focusing on my lz,

726
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:57,360
which is just this tiny dot.

727
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,390
I can just see these little dots
where the whole flight pre down at

728
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:03,420
the airport and I take my glove off
and I'm trying to reset my alti.

729
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:07,290
Well, the mistake made is I had to hold
my brake toggles, which control the wing.

730
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:09,480
I have my throttle set
at a certain percent.

731
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,340
I can't get my glove back on.

732
00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:14,880
I'm sitting there struggling, and then
all of a sudden my hand starts burning

733
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,980
up because with any temperature drop
in the below zero range, you have this

734
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:23,220
weird feeling where your hand gets
really cold and it starts burning up.

735
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:27,540
Frostbites gangrene is like the first
thing that comes through my mind.

736
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:28,410
I'm like, this is not good.

737
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:33,990
I'm gonna be a pirate, and I
somehow get my glove back on,

738
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:36,420
get the heated system back on.

739
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:40,110
I continue to climb out until
I get total battery shut down.

740
00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:46,440
So the entire unit just powers down and
it did it, it had reached its core, uh,

741
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:47,970
percentage where it just powers down.

742
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:49,410
The temperature was a big factor.

743
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:50,940
And then I had used up my battery.

744
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,830
Both altimeters are running.

745
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:54,150
We're good now.

746
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:58,200
The problem is, is I have to get
back to the exact spot I was and

747
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,240
I am a lawn dart at this point.

748
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:02,130
I am, have no more forward power.

749
00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:03,360
It's just glide.

750
00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:11,070
So all these years of flying, I somehow
remember the glide method and get back to

751
00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:13,455
my actual LZ land perfectly on that dot.

752
00:39:13,455 --> 00:39:15,810
I remember my, my hands were just hurting.

753
00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:16,770
I was just freezing.

754
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:24,090
And the first thing I asked him like,
can I get something to warm up my hands?

755
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,180
And the FAI guys removing the altimeters.

756
00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:28,290
And we're sitting there.

757
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:31,140
We're sitting there and he's like, Hey,
I don't think this recorded the data.

758
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,819
These are both showing blank.

759
00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:33,930
They're just showing numbers.

760
00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:34,799
Oh, no,

761
00:39:35,009 --> 00:39:36,029
my heart just sank.

762
00:39:36,089 --> 00:39:37,290
Like, you gotta be kidding me.

763
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:37,589
I just,

764
00:39:37,649 --> 00:39:37,740
oh, no.

765
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:43,080
Turned into the Coca-Cola, polar
Bear Popsicle, and nothing recorded.

766
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:44,490
Well, it actually turns out it did.

767
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,839
We, we double verified, and I
remember I was like, I'm done with

768
00:39:48,839 --> 00:39:51,600
cold weather for a little while, and
we finally got all the numbers back

769
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,680
and everybody's gathered around.

770
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,430
They said, Hey, we're good.

771
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:54,089
The data's good.

772
00:39:54,089 --> 00:39:57,419
And that was like the biggest weight
off my shoulders when I was sitting

773
00:39:57,419 --> 00:39:58,740
on that tarmac trying to warm up.

774
00:39:59,189 --> 00:39:59,939
And, uh,

775
00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:00,625
no kidding.

776
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,830
That was fun.

777
00:40:02,145 --> 00:40:03,660
I, I, would I do it again?

778
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,460
I mean, probably yes, but the amount
of work and paperwork and timing and

779
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:12,569
the stress level, and once again, the
risk to reward ratio, you have to ask

780
00:40:12,569 --> 00:40:14,939
yourself, was this worth it in the end?

781
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:20,009
And it, and to me, putting an American
flag on the record books as a first was

782
00:40:20,009 --> 00:40:24,629
a big objective because, sorry, French,
I just had to boot one of the flags on,

783
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:29,189
put a first, and it was a really good
feeling because it's like, all right.

784
00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,750
We got something over here and
because of my crew and everybody

785
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:37,380
that was there helping lending a
hand, it happened because of them.

786
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:38,069
It wasn't me.

787
00:40:40,634 --> 00:40:42,270
What, what was the height you made it to?

788
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:45,120
Uh, just under 15,000.

789
00:40:45,299 --> 00:40:51,810
It was, uh, 14, so I think it
was, uh, 9 63 is what the year

790
00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:54,210
of the actual attained altitude.

791
00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:58,109
Would you, uh, would you do it again?

792
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:59,339
Oh, a hundred percent.

793
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,250
In fact, we had a lot of variables
that worked against us that day.

794
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:07,650
Re theoretically I should have
got up to about 22, 20 3000, but

795
00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:09,900
the winds were so bad that day.

796
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:13,500
And we have these things
called, um, winds of loft.

797
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,450
And, you know, you're traditional
when you're on the ground,

798
00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:16,319
you're getting hit with winds.

799
00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:19,350
The higher you go based on
where the jet stream is, the

800
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:21,210
winds could go up considerably.

801
00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:23,850
To that day, they were pretty high.

802
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,740
Uh, in fact, they were alarmingly high.

803
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:29,610
And if the original wing that I was gonna
fly was significantly bigger, because the

804
00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:30,960
bigger the wing, the more lift you get.

805
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:35,190
If I had flown that wing right,
I, I would've been in Timbuk two.

806
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:37,290
I mean, I would've been a
one-way ticket to Cabo, right?

807
00:41:39,390 --> 00:41:41,790
For, so I had to fly a much smaller wing.

808
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:46,020
And in fact, the wing that I flew
was like a pylon racing wing.

809
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:51,540
It was an 18 meter, uh, superiorly
stable, uh, really good in high

810
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:55,710
winds, but it yields half the
lift that I could have had.

811
00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:55,770
Hmm.

812
00:41:56,310 --> 00:42:00,000
So for us to get to that altitude
with that such a tiny wing, that

813
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,430
was still a benchmark that I
was actually kinda shocked at.

814
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:06,690
I didn't think I'd even get that high
just given the temperature, the battery

815
00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:09,240
life, the size of the wind with the winds.

816
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:12,720
And yet somehow it, it worked.

817
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,990
Why did you do it in the wintertime
and not like in warmer weather?

818
00:42:16,485 --> 00:42:21,375
Well, because the variables with weather,
anytime you have heating of the surface

819
00:42:21,375 --> 00:42:23,895
of the earth causes air instability.

820
00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:26,715
Springtime is a super
volatile time of year.

821
00:42:27,195 --> 00:42:28,905
You got questionable weather.

822
00:42:28,965 --> 00:42:33,285
Warming of the surface creates
these conditions that are super

823
00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:34,875
volatile and dangerous for a pilot.

824
00:42:34,995 --> 00:42:37,785
The conditions that I was already
flying in were somewhat unstable

825
00:42:38,085 --> 00:42:42,165
when it came to turbulence, but
as far as rising air, what we call

826
00:42:42,165 --> 00:42:45,255
thermals, uh, wasn't near as violent.

827
00:42:45,315 --> 00:42:49,575
And you know, the traditional paraglider
thrives off violent air in the thermals.

828
00:42:49,995 --> 00:42:54,435
My biggest concern was that if I was to
get caught in a thermal with unstable

829
00:42:54,435 --> 00:43:00,375
air, mix it with JetStream air or laminar
flowing off the mountains, that would've,

830
00:43:00,705 --> 00:43:00,795
and

831
00:43:00,795 --> 00:43:03,615
you're up blown me off
course to my original point.

832
00:43:03,615 --> 00:43:09,405
And once again, rule book says where you
take off, you have to land on as a return.

833
00:43:09,405 --> 00:43:11,985
So winter was my choice, but.

834
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:14,310
Every choice has a consequence.

835
00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:17,040
And, well, you know, I'm still
not a pirate yet, but I was pretty

836
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,620
close to being old Captain Hook.

837
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:25,860
There's also an interesting story
about you flying hundreds of miles

838
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:27,720
in that open cockpit biplane.

839
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,740
I think, uh, I was the,
uh, AC Ducey, the P 70.

840
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:34,320
I think you corrected me on that
one earlier when we were chatting.

841
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:34,710
Yeah.

842
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:37,440
Uh, but you did that, you did
that with your father, right?

843
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,920
I did.

844
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:40,860
That's interesting.

845
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:44,460
Did you learn a thing, thing or
two about the old man on that trip?

846
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:49,860
I, uh, my father's one of my best
friends, and not for the reason

847
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,970
that, you know, they don't buy
you fancy stuff or any of that.

848
00:43:53,970 --> 00:44:00,480
He's my best friend because anytime I
invite him on something, he never says no.

849
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:09,690
And he dang well knew that this particular
trip, the risk was very high and very

850
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:11,485
little reward for him in his case.

851
00:44:11,835 --> 00:44:11,925
Hmm.

852
00:44:12,825 --> 00:44:18,525
So I had had the bright idea to
buy an airplane and not just a

853
00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:21,045
traditional, Hey, this is Cessna 1 72.

854
00:44:21,045 --> 00:44:22,515
This is gonna get you anywhere you want.

855
00:44:22,845 --> 00:44:28,665
No, I bought one that is based off 1930s
technology and it's design profile was

856
00:44:28,665 --> 00:44:33,975
literally based off 1930s and decided
to buy it, not locally, but halfway

857
00:44:33,975 --> 00:44:38,625
across the United States, sight unseen,
and then have the bright idea to fly

858
00:44:38,625 --> 00:44:43,395
it home and, and the idea that it's
gonna make it back to my destination.

859
00:44:43,545 --> 00:44:51,855
So that whole idea somehow stemmed
and it happened, and my father joined

860
00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:53,235
me on this, which I was shocked at.

861
00:44:53,265 --> 00:44:56,475
My favorite moment is when we
arrived to where this plane was,

862
00:44:56,475 --> 00:45:00,705
which was in the middle of, right
on the Arkansas, like Midwest or

863
00:45:01,185 --> 00:45:04,840
Southern points, um, what we call the.

864
00:45:05,835 --> 00:45:08,205
With the Bible belt, and sure.

865
00:45:08,205 --> 00:45:11,325
You open up that hanger and
there's like this big air tractor

866
00:45:11,325 --> 00:45:12,345
and he's like, oh, this is nice.

867
00:45:12,345 --> 00:45:16,275
And we're walking around this shiny air
tractor to the back and there's this

868
00:45:16,275 --> 00:45:17,865
airplane that's just covered in dust.

869
00:45:17,865 --> 00:45:22,125
And I watched my dad go from happy,
excited to like a total of ghosts.

870
00:45:23,565 --> 00:45:27,075
And I, and at that moment
I like could read his mind.

871
00:45:27,075 --> 00:45:29,085
He's like, I'm not making it home.

872
00:45:29,715 --> 00:45:30,615
I'm not making it home.

873
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:30,780
Mm-hmm.

874
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:34,785
And not once did he say no, but I'll
never forget I was filming and I

875
00:45:35,025 --> 00:45:39,405
caught his face and he just was, he's
just like, you know, like this is it.

876
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:42,765
This, this, this is the
play this and mm-hmm.

877
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:44,745
Somehow he still didn't say no.

878
00:45:44,835 --> 00:45:49,095
And I tell you what, you know, there's
a book that if you love aviation,

879
00:45:49,695 --> 00:45:53,775
this was a book that resonated with me
through childhood into my adulthood.

880
00:45:54,135 --> 00:45:56,175
It's called The Flight of Passage.

881
00:45:56,715 --> 00:46:00,465
And it's about these two boys
who essentially build this piper

882
00:46:00,465 --> 00:46:05,175
Cub, rebuild it, and they fly it
across the United States on this.

883
00:46:05,565 --> 00:46:11,085
Adventure that you dream of as,
uh, some of us, as a, a kid, I

884
00:46:11,085 --> 00:46:15,675
felt like I completely relived
that book on this journey.

885
00:46:15,675 --> 00:46:18,495
And I mean, we dealt with
some of the worst wins.

886
00:46:18,735 --> 00:46:22,035
I mean, Kansas, holy cow, I
love the people of Kansas,

887
00:46:22,035 --> 00:46:23,175
but you can keep that wind.

888
00:46:23,655 --> 00:46:28,155
I've never been code brown so
many times trying to get that

889
00:46:28,155 --> 00:46:32,295
Dane plane to set up and land.

890
00:46:32,775 --> 00:46:37,545
And yet, every single time we
made it to our, our checkpoints.

891
00:46:37,545 --> 00:46:42,285
And not only that, but at, at
one point we were just utterly

892
00:46:42,285 --> 00:46:44,115
shocked how good the plane flew.

893
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:48,135
I, I mean, it always started,
it ran like a sewing machine.

894
00:46:48,195 --> 00:46:52,755
And I think my dad, at our last
leg, he's like, you know, when this

895
00:46:52,755 --> 00:46:55,905
journey started, I couldn't wait to
get home 'cause I didn't wanna die.

896
00:46:56,385 --> 00:46:59,235
But it came to a point where
he is like, I'm actually sad

897
00:46:59,565 --> 00:47:00,615
that we're on our last leg.

898
00:47:00,615 --> 00:47:03,315
We like, we were both looking
at each other, well, not looking

899
00:47:03,315 --> 00:47:04,910
at each 'cause he is sitting in
front of me, but we just like.

900
00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:08,490
We read each other, we're like, we
don't want this adventure to end.

901
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:12,780
This is quite possibly the greatest
adventure that a father and son

902
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:14,040
could ever do in their lifetime.

903
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,470
That is cool.

904
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:20,400
And didn't, didn't you have
like a, uh, a malfunction with

905
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,720
the fuel gauge on that flight?

906
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:22,590
Oh yeah.

907
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,750
It, uh, the day one, we, we
actually, before I even left the

908
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:30,900
fuel gauge was just, I was like,
oh, we just gotta add some gas.

909
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:32,280
So we checked the tanks.

910
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,750
I'm like, there is gas.

911
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:35,040
We added some more gas.

912
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,730
It's still empty.

913
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:37,380
And I'm like, well, this is just great.

914
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:38,550
And we're in the middle of nowhere.

915
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:43,500
We had realized that there are methods,
so when we talk about earlier, it's find

916
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:46,770
a solution to, uh, um, predicaments.

917
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:49,380
The predicament was my fuel
gauge was in fact broken.

918
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,820
The level was not reading anymore,
and it, the timeframe to fix it

919
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:57,630
would've burned up our entire timeframe
to get this plane home before the

920
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:58,890
big weather started moving in.

921
00:47:59,430 --> 00:48:00,870
Well, early Piper Cubs.

922
00:48:01,799 --> 00:48:05,069
They didn't have a traditional fuel gauge
like what you and I have in our car.

923
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:08,069
Theirs was a rod with a cork.

924
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:13,140
And based on where the tank is fuel
level wise, it would give you where

925
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,750
you'd say, oh, I'm full half empty.

926
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,700
Somehow we found a cork and somehow
we found a perfectly straight

927
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,210
rod that we could bend and we
drilled a hole in the existing cap

928
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:27,839
and realized this is gonna work.

929
00:48:28,049 --> 00:48:34,109
And hilariously fast forward, you know,
five years later, four years later,

930
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,060
I still have that same fuel gauge.

931
00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:37,620
I still utilize that same gauge.

932
00:48:37,734 --> 00:48:38,609
I, I, um,

933
00:48:38,669 --> 00:48:39,750
that's a good idea.

934
00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:40,200
It

935
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:40,649
worked.

936
00:48:40,649 --> 00:48:44,129
So are you able to like look
out, so on a piper cub, you

937
00:48:44,129 --> 00:48:45,569
fill up on the wing, do you?

938
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:48,930
This one, uh, the tank
is you have your engine.

939
00:48:48,930 --> 00:48:48,960
Oh,

940
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,290
sorry.

941
00:48:49,529 --> 00:48:50,040
Prop.

942
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:50,549
Okay.

943
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:52,529
And then behind the
engine is the actual tank.

944
00:48:52,529 --> 00:48:55,470
And it is like the smallest
tank for an airplane ever.

945
00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:58,770
It's 14 gallons, like on our speed bird.

946
00:48:59,415 --> 00:49:02,865
I hold, uh, 92 gallons on the fast plane.

947
00:49:03,134 --> 00:49:07,995
This one, it's 14 gallons, so you have
to be really, really mindful of your

948
00:49:07,995 --> 00:49:14,415
legs because you get an hour and a
half tops before you have to fill up.

949
00:49:15,825 --> 00:49:20,115
And so you would look out at the fuel cap
and you'd see a rod that's either sticking

950
00:49:20,115 --> 00:49:22,665
out all the way halfway or not at all.

951
00:49:22,754 --> 00:49:23,649
Is that, am I

952
00:49:23,649 --> 00:49:24,220
understanding that right?

953
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:24,230
Yeah.

954
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:27,104
I'd be like, you know, 'cause I fly,
the pilot flies from right here, smart.

955
00:49:27,404 --> 00:49:28,064
And my dad.

956
00:49:28,725 --> 00:49:28,845
Mm-hmm.

957
00:49:28,850 --> 00:49:30,794
Passenger flies from the front where
the co-pilot flies from the front.

958
00:49:30,794 --> 00:49:32,055
So I'm, I'm like flying.

959
00:49:32,055 --> 00:49:33,254
I'm like, all right.

960
00:49:33,464 --> 00:49:36,524
It's like the gas gauge is like
there, I'm like, all right.

961
00:49:36,524 --> 00:49:40,064
I got like 15 minutes before it's
there and I'm like sitting there.

962
00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:43,245
And then, you know, the route that
we took, we tried to find the least

963
00:49:43,245 --> 00:49:46,154
windiest route because honestly
it's the slowest plane ever.

964
00:49:46,154 --> 00:49:50,654
I do 70 knots, whether I'm
full power or I do 70 knots.

965
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:51,584
If I'm a quarter power.

966
00:49:51,584 --> 00:49:54,445
It's got this huge wing,
it's a, you know, it's.

967
00:49:55,065 --> 00:49:56,295
It was never built for speed.

968
00:49:56,444 --> 00:50:02,205
And at one point coming through, I'm gonna
say this wrong, Olge, Olge, Oklahoma.

969
00:50:02,745 --> 00:50:02,865
Okay,

970
00:50:02,865 --> 00:50:03,165
sorry.

971
00:50:03,165 --> 00:50:04,065
I totally butchered that.

972
00:50:04,065 --> 00:50:07,995
But the headwinds were like 58 knots.

973
00:50:07,995 --> 00:50:13,845
I had a ground speed of like 16
knots, and I'm like, this is wow, bad.

974
00:50:13,845 --> 00:50:15,375
I have to make it to this airport.

975
00:50:16,035 --> 00:50:21,345
And it's showing that my fuel burn is
45 minutes till I'm empty, and it's,

976
00:50:21,345 --> 00:50:24,165
the duration is 54 minutes to get there.

977
00:50:24,404 --> 00:50:24,734
Mm-hmm.

978
00:50:25,275 --> 00:50:28,035
So you have all these things, variables
that are like coming into play that

979
00:50:28,035 --> 00:50:30,884
you're like, is this gonna work?

980
00:50:30,884 --> 00:50:33,165
Are we gonna be in a cornfield,
like digging our way out?

981
00:50:35,504 --> 00:50:35,565
Have

982
00:50:35,565 --> 00:50:36,645
you had those landings

983
00:50:36,884 --> 00:50:40,575
and every, I have had those
landings before and, and to me,

984
00:50:40,815 --> 00:50:41,025
yeah.

985
00:50:41,234 --> 00:50:44,835
This journey in itself, I,
I, uh, I look almost daily.

986
00:50:45,674 --> 00:50:51,345
I visit that whole journey and I just
smile because it's one of those checks

987
00:50:51,345 --> 00:50:53,415
off the box of experiences that.

988
00:50:54,015 --> 00:50:59,295
You cannot buy, uh, you, you just,
you literally cannot put yourself

989
00:50:59,295 --> 00:51:05,145
in that situation by booking it
through like a, an all inclusive.

990
00:51:05,145 --> 00:51:09,915
You have to literally go out and put
yourself in that situation and God

991
00:51:09,915 --> 00:51:13,575
hands you this book and says, you're
gonna deal with these situations

992
00:51:13,875 --> 00:51:15,315
and you either survive or you don't.

993
00:51:15,345 --> 00:51:21,315
And that trip filled with all these
amazing memories also tested my patience,

994
00:51:21,315 --> 00:51:26,805
my stress level, and in a way that I
learned a lot and forever base a lot

995
00:51:26,805 --> 00:51:28,485
of things off in life because of that.

996
00:51:28,845 --> 00:51:30,795
I'm a big fan of those kind of trips.

997
00:51:30,825 --> 00:51:35,775
It's, uh, so many people, they
try and contrive their life

998
00:51:36,495 --> 00:51:37,904
an adventure in it somehow.

999
00:51:37,904 --> 00:51:40,875
And they'll get online, they'll find
a booking agent and they're like,

1000
00:51:40,875 --> 00:51:42,315
look at this adventure that I'm doing.

1001
00:51:42,615 --> 00:51:45,255
Somebody else is going to, I'm
gonna strap to somebody else and

1002
00:51:45,255 --> 00:51:46,515
we're gonna jump out of an airplane.

1003
00:51:46,845 --> 00:51:48,555
Someone else is gonna fly me around.

1004
00:51:48,555 --> 00:51:50,685
Somebody else is gonna
drive me to this place.

1005
00:51:50,714 --> 00:51:51,225
And.

1006
00:51:52,095 --> 00:51:53,055
Uh, that's good.

1007
00:51:53,084 --> 00:51:53,895
Like, I, I get it.

1008
00:51:53,895 --> 00:51:57,705
That's a good step for people to go
out, but I don't think they're truly

1009
00:51:57,705 --> 00:52:03,104
experiencing life or getting the
same sort of, uh, rewards that you

1010
00:52:03,104 --> 00:52:07,484
get when you do it yourself, when
you put the time in to learn or you

1011
00:52:07,484 --> 00:52:08,805
just try and figure it out as you go.

1012
00:52:08,955 --> 00:52:09,524
Yes.

1013
00:52:11,745 --> 00:52:13,904
So you've got another cool trip coming up.

1014
00:52:13,904 --> 00:52:16,305
I think it's, uh, September.

1015
00:52:16,305 --> 00:52:16,634
Is it?

1016
00:52:16,665 --> 00:52:17,984
Are we allowed to talk about this one?

1017
00:52:18,404 --> 00:52:18,645
Yeah.

1018
00:52:18,850 --> 00:52:20,895
We, we absolutely can to do with Camel.

1019
00:52:21,584 --> 00:52:22,095
All right.

1020
00:52:22,995 --> 00:52:27,944
Let's, uh, fill me in on this because,
uh, so I've, I've got a, uh, a couple

1021
00:52:27,944 --> 00:52:29,265
friends and past podcast guests.

1022
00:52:29,805 --> 00:52:35,115
Uh, they're taking a trip, I
think it's from the UK over to.

1023
00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:36,990
Oh, I'm not sure.

1024
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:39,390
I should, I think it's
over to Sydney, Australia.

1025
00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:43,020
And they're taking a, uh, a
def, it's called Defender X or

1026
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:44,700
the Defender X, uh, challenge.

1027
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:49,080
Megan Heinz over there with, uh,
Doug Patterson, X-C-A-A-C-I-A fellow.

1028
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,470
And it looks like a pretty cool
little, little trip that they're on.

1029
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:56,370
They got these big rubber pontoons they
put on, uh, that they have on the top,

1030
00:52:56,370 --> 00:53:00,299
and they put it underneath and inflate
them, and they're taking it down the Tames

1031
00:53:00,299 --> 00:53:02,190
River and across the English Channel.

1032
00:53:02,190 --> 00:53:05,790
And like, like, it's pretty cool,
but it sounds like you're doing

1033
00:53:05,790 --> 00:53:08,190
something pretty fricking cool.

1034
00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:09,480
That's along the same lines.

1035
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:13,470
It's these, uh, what I always say,
you're handed a deck of cards in life,

1036
00:53:13,470 --> 00:53:18,720
and this is one of those cards that I
never expected or ever, ever anticipated

1037
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:19,980
I'd even get the opportunity to.

1038
00:53:20,009 --> 00:53:23,609
But if you're ever bored or you
got some time to kill and you wanna

1039
00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:26,129
watch something that, and some of
you might have, the audience might

1040
00:53:26,129 --> 00:53:29,370
have heard of this, it's called the
Camel Trophy back in the eighties.

1041
00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:33,720
Through the nineties, they put on this
event where they had to go through

1042
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:38,550
these crazy routes through the most
remote areas, Siberia, the Amazon,

1043
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:45,540
Africa, Tanzania, like all these
places that man rarely survives or does

1044
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:47,280
well in these type of environments.

1045
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,910
And they take these Land Rovers
and it was like the Olympics,

1046
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:54,300
but in off-roading and adventure.

1047
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,530
This whole series lasted from the early
eighties and I believe the last one was

1048
00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:00,840
in 96, and then it just, it stopped.

1049
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:05,400
The nineties were a super special era
because you, you had this, you danger

1050
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,530
in these events, Paris to Car rally,
the Camel Trophy, like all these events

1051
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:17,610
that were going on where safety was a
second thought and that really, really

1052
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:21,150
projected adventure in a way that I don't
think we'll ever see in our lifetime

1053
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:24,720
again, because I mean, he watched some
of these series, like we just watched

1054
00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:28,770
the one where they were going through
South America and I mean these guys are.

1055
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:33,660
Through this river crossing and
the rover is clearly underwater.

1056
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,330
And you see the guy, he is like
poking his head out, like you

1057
00:54:36,330 --> 00:54:37,830
should probably exit the vehicle.

1058
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:39,150
But he didn't.

1059
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,030
And, and he, and all of a sudden
he is pulling through the water

1060
00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:45,060
and you see him, he's like, like
sucking the air out of the headliner.

1061
00:54:45,245 --> 00:54:48,510
And, and then he is like coming through
with the winch system and pulling him out.

1062
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:49,890
And I'm like, what the heck?

1063
00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:54,000
And I watched this series, like as
a kid, I, it was just, it was my

1064
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,170
dream and I thought it would never
actually ever come back again.

1065
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:59,610
Well go figure.

1066
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:02,280
A year and a half ago, a friend
of mine sends me this link.

1067
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,170
He is like, Hey, they're bringing
the, the Defender Trophy, which is

1068
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:10,950
the predecessor to the Camel Trophy
back this year for the first time.

1069
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:12,150
And I'm like, wait, what?

1070
00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:16,560
Land Rover had just released a defender
a few years back and they somehow the

1071
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:21,360
media team said, we're gonna bring back
something just like the Camel Trophy.

1072
00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:22,410
And I'm like, there's no way.

1073
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:26,910
So they had an application process and
thousands of people applied to this.

1074
00:55:27,315 --> 00:55:30,795
And I applied, I did the video interview
and all this, and I'm like, Hey, I tried.

1075
00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:34,694
This would be amazing, but what are
the probability of this actually

1076
00:55:35,055 --> 00:55:36,315
getting me getting selected?

1077
00:55:36,315 --> 00:55:38,595
It's just, it's, it's slim,
but you always have to try.

1078
00:55:39,225 --> 00:55:42,715
Well, fast forward again, email at
the beginning of this year and, and

1079
00:55:42,915 --> 00:55:46,845
I'm about like, fell outta my chair
and it's like, Hey, we've selected

1080
00:55:46,845 --> 00:55:49,634
you to be part of the Defender Trophy.

1081
00:55:49,634 --> 00:55:51,855
And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

1082
00:55:51,855 --> 00:55:52,365
Like what?

1083
00:55:52,845 --> 00:55:56,174
So I have no idea what to expect.

1084
00:55:56,865 --> 00:56:03,315
Uh, from what I've read is based off
the original to some degree and a lot

1085
00:56:03,315 --> 00:56:08,685
of the tasks at hand with navigation,
building these bridges to cross certain

1086
00:56:08,685 --> 00:56:14,025
rivers and, and all these things that
truly took a situation where we talked

1087
00:56:14,025 --> 00:56:17,565
about being put in stressful situations
and finding an outcome that works.

1088
00:56:18,194 --> 00:56:22,545
That's essentially what this is
all based upon is handling stress,

1089
00:56:22,545 --> 00:56:25,725
teamwork, leadership, and all this
stuff encompass into an adventurer.

1090
00:56:26,295 --> 00:56:32,145
You're covered in a lot of mud
and questionable directions of

1091
00:56:32,145 --> 00:56:34,305
routes, and it's gonna happen.

1092
00:56:34,335 --> 00:56:40,214
So in April, we're going up to
Canada, uh, for the first, I guess

1093
00:56:40,214 --> 00:56:41,805
what they call the part of this.

1094
00:56:41,895 --> 00:56:45,705
And I literally have no, I, the amount of
waivers that I had to sign, I was like,

1095
00:56:46,575 --> 00:56:48,464
they, they're pretty serious about this.

1096
00:56:48,555 --> 00:56:50,415
Uh, and I'm really excited.

1097
00:56:50,505 --> 00:56:57,525
I, I, I hope that it's every bit or at
least close to what the original was, so I

1098
00:56:57,525 --> 00:57:00,375
can at least live that moment in reality.

1099
00:57:01,725 --> 00:57:02,625
That is so cool.

1100
00:57:02,625 --> 00:57:04,600
So you're starting off
in British Columbia, you

1101
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:05,839
I am, yeah.

1102
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:09,915
And they have a whole
task of things to do.

1103
00:57:09,975 --> 00:57:14,984
I, as far as, uh, you know, they just
sent the go by sheet of navigational.

1104
00:57:16,274 --> 00:57:20,145
Expectations and how, and the
type of knots that I need to know

1105
00:57:20,265 --> 00:57:23,654
and the type of how to utilize
the winch on the new defender.

1106
00:57:23,654 --> 00:57:26,325
And they sent me the go by sheet
of the systems on the defender.

1107
00:57:26,325 --> 00:57:29,714
So I need to get up to snuff
because I don't have a new defender

1108
00:57:29,774 --> 00:57:31,334
and I need to get access to one.

1109
00:57:31,904 --> 00:57:36,075
Uh, and it's just, it's truly what
I'm excited about is to meet all

1110
00:57:36,075 --> 00:57:39,134
these other people that are, if they
apply to this, they have to have

1111
00:57:39,134 --> 00:57:41,145
the same mentality of adventure.

1112
00:57:41,145 --> 00:57:47,294
And I think it's gonna totally refreshing
to meet other individuals that are like,

1113
00:57:48,075 --> 00:57:51,734
uh, maybe they're just as enthusiastic
if not more about this type of adventure.

1114
00:57:51,734 --> 00:57:55,544
And I'm like, I need to meet more people
like this 'cause I thrive off this stuff.

1115
00:57:56,774 --> 00:57:57,464
I agree.

1116
00:57:57,464 --> 00:57:59,504
And so this will be a
televised thing, will it?

1117
00:57:59,504 --> 00:58:01,484
Or they'll have a, a show behind it.

1118
00:58:01,689 --> 00:58:03,645
I, I believe they're, that's
what they're working on.

1119
00:58:03,645 --> 00:58:06,825
I have not been told of how it is
gonna be captured cinematically,

1120
00:58:06,825 --> 00:58:11,535
because we got, Japan just did
theirs, uh, not too long ago.

1121
00:58:11,535 --> 00:58:14,265
And I saw part of the video to that
and it was incredibly well shot.

1122
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:17,640
And, uh, I'm looking
forward to what to expect.

1123
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:18,205
I'm kind of hoping that.

1124
00:58:18,825 --> 00:58:21,075
At least I get to
possibly roll a defender.

1125
00:58:21,315 --> 00:58:24,674
'cause they roll to the, the
discoveries in the nineties, half

1126
00:58:24,674 --> 00:58:25,904
the time they're upside down.

1127
00:58:25,904 --> 00:58:26,685
You just like, there's Yeah,

1128
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:27,149
yeah,

1129
00:58:27,375 --> 00:58:27,915
they're great.

1130
00:58:27,915 --> 00:58:29,355
And I'm like, I wanna be in that scenario.

1131
00:58:29,355 --> 00:58:33,794
I want to re roll one of these and have
no repercussions because it's not mine.

1132
00:58:36,285 --> 00:58:38,024
Uh, life goals, I tell you.

1133
00:58:38,029 --> 00:58:38,230
Yeah.

1134
00:58:38,384 --> 00:58:38,504
Yeah.

1135
00:58:38,504 --> 00:58:41,294
That, that would be a, that'd be a
show I could definitely get behind.

1136
00:58:41,355 --> 00:58:46,004
You know, I was, um, my wife and I
were asked to, to help and consult on

1137
00:58:46,004 --> 00:58:51,044
a show that was filmed up here a year
ago, I think it was, um, uh, Stallone's

1138
00:58:51,044 --> 00:58:53,055
Company, and it was called Extracted.

1139
00:58:53,115 --> 00:58:57,734
And they whoa, get these contestants and
they have to go out into the wild and

1140
00:58:58,065 --> 00:59:00,705
they have a home base with family members.

1141
00:59:00,705 --> 00:59:04,305
And the family members will vote on what
food they get or what they don't get.

1142
00:59:04,305 --> 00:59:08,234
And you know, like a lot of these shows,
it's, it's just, it's highly contrived.

1143
00:59:08,234 --> 00:59:10,694
And we go through, we met all
the different contestants and

1144
00:59:10,694 --> 00:59:14,145
had to provide some training
for them and, and testing and.

1145
00:59:15,085 --> 00:59:17,035
And you get a good sense of these people.

1146
00:59:17,035 --> 00:59:19,975
They're like, oh, this, this person
here, this gal here, and this guy over

1147
00:59:19,975 --> 00:59:21,505
here, they're gonna do really well.

1148
00:59:21,835 --> 00:59:22,045
Yeah.

1149
00:59:22,195 --> 00:59:28,165
But when the show actually runs, there's
all these, uh, internal politics and

1150
00:59:28,885 --> 00:59:32,485
maneuvering that happens, and it's
got, it's got very little to do with

1151
00:59:32,485 --> 00:59:36,355
who's capable and who's got the right
mindset and who's who can do something.

1152
00:59:36,355 --> 00:59:40,915
And it comes down to more of this
production value of, um, it's

1153
00:59:40,915 --> 00:59:42,595
like survivor part two type thing.

1154
00:59:43,165 --> 00:59:46,405
Whereas a show like this, I don't
think they're gonna have any of those

1155
00:59:46,405 --> 00:59:48,355
sort of games involved with all of it.

1156
00:59:48,415 --> 00:59:50,755
And it's, uh, it, it's a good test.

1157
00:59:51,355 --> 00:59:54,925
Old school man and machine and
ingenuity, that is something

1158
00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:55,975
I can definitely get behind.

1159
00:59:56,335 --> 00:59:59,245
And, and that's for me is when we
originally got the wind of this,

1160
00:59:59,245 --> 01:00:03,325
I'm like, okay, this, this could
be a good thing because there's,

1161
01:00:03,415 --> 01:00:05,605
I don't like safety and I get it.

1162
01:00:05,605 --> 01:00:09,175
Their PR team is probably focused
on safety, but at some point in

1163
01:00:09,175 --> 01:00:12,265
this adventure, there is gonna
be something unsafe because the

1164
01:00:12,265 --> 01:00:13,615
amount of waivers, like I said.

1165
01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:18,359
They, there's something in this
route that is, has something

1166
01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:22,230
of questionable activities and
I'm really excited about that.

1167
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:26,759
You know, I was always raised in
a safety third environment and

1168
01:00:26,850 --> 01:00:27,000
yeah,

1169
01:00:27,535 --> 01:00:29,310
it's, it's done okay for me.

1170
01:00:29,669 --> 01:00:32,549
It's, uh, led some pretty
interesting stories.

1171
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:34,350
You know, you make mistakes along the way.

1172
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:39,540
You kinda learn from them and you have,
you course correct, but, um, that's life.

1173
01:00:39,569 --> 01:00:42,720
You don't go through life without picking
up a few bumps and scrapes along the way.

1174
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:43,500
Exactly.

1175
01:00:44,085 --> 01:00:46,049
That's, that's the
whole, the whole journey.

1176
01:00:46,109 --> 01:00:46,980
What was that quote?

1177
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:50,669
It's, uh, you don't wanna
arrive perfectly preserved.

1178
01:00:51,419 --> 01:00:55,950
You wanna be withered and, and completely
wrecked and say, wow, what a ride.

1179
01:00:57,805 --> 01:00:58,225
That's,

1180
01:00:58,529 --> 01:01:03,359
that's how I, so, have there ever been
any times in your life when you maybe, uh,

1181
01:01:03,810 --> 01:01:08,700
went in a direction a little too far that
later hindsight would, uh, provide you?

1182
01:01:09,780 --> 01:01:12,960
The insight that hindsight tends
to do and say, well, maybe that

1183
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,280
wasn't the best idea at the time.

1184
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,410
I should have gone, gone
in a different direction,

1185
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:19,110
uh, early on.

1186
01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:19,470
Yeah.

1187
01:01:19,530 --> 01:01:24,570
I um, I had a great idea to try to
fly under a bridge on my para motor.

1188
01:01:24,885 --> 01:01:25,165
What?

1189
01:01:25,625 --> 01:01:26,045
Really?

1190
01:01:26,115 --> 01:01:26,405
Yeah.

1191
01:01:26,705 --> 01:01:28,890
Oh, I got these great photos.

1192
01:01:28,890 --> 01:01:33,090
We, uh, and it wasn't a bridge
with a lot of clearance.

1193
01:01:33,090 --> 01:01:38,430
The clearance was, the margins
were, and somehow in my conscious,

1194
01:01:38,490 --> 01:01:40,770
I was like, this is gonna work.

1195
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,995
So I set up, well, you

1196
01:01:43,995 --> 01:01:45,600
don't do it 'cause you
think it won't work.

1197
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:50,190
There was like very, like, if the,
the thought process was 95%, this is

1198
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:52,200
gonna work 5%, you're not gonna fit.

1199
01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:56,280
The 5% never became a factor.

1200
01:01:56,700 --> 01:02:00,150
And so I took off on the para motor,
had a whole bunch of friends on the

1201
01:02:00,150 --> 01:02:01,860
ground filming and videoing and.

1202
01:02:02,625 --> 01:02:06,855
I, uh, I flew through the first
bridge, which was a little bit higher

1203
01:02:07,035 --> 01:02:08,565
cleared that everything was good.

1204
01:02:08,565 --> 01:02:12,645
And I'm approached on the second bridge
and there's a river below and with some

1205
01:02:12,645 --> 01:02:15,315
rocks come through the second bridge.

1206
01:02:15,315 --> 01:02:17,805
And I remember I was looking, I was
like, Ooh, this is gonna be tight.

1207
01:02:17,835 --> 01:02:20,115
And you're at the point
where I can't abort either.

1208
01:02:20,115 --> 01:02:22,305
I just go straight in
or I try to get under.

1209
01:02:22,695 --> 01:02:26,295
Well, it, I made it under,
but the top half of my wing

1210
01:02:26,295 --> 01:02:27,795
completely snagged the bridge.

1211
01:02:28,185 --> 01:02:31,845
And I remember flying, and I remember
this like, felt like an ejection seat.

1212
01:02:31,845 --> 01:02:32,325
And I'm like, uhoh.

1213
01:02:33,015 --> 01:02:36,735
And I had swung up and I could see
my wing stuck up on the bridge there.

1214
01:02:36,735 --> 01:02:39,435
And then I swung back down and
then the wing became detached and I

1215
01:02:39,435 --> 01:02:40,845
came crashing down into the ground.

1216
01:02:42,345 --> 01:02:46,275
And I got this iconic shot where
they were, you see these cement

1217
01:02:46,275 --> 01:02:49,365
pillars and you see me first
shot, I'm here, everything's good.

1218
01:02:49,725 --> 01:02:51,765
The second shot, you see me
up here and my wing is like

1219
01:02:51,765 --> 01:02:53,174
stuck on the top of the bridge.

1220
01:02:53,265 --> 01:02:54,195
I'm like, mid swing.

1221
01:02:54,795 --> 01:02:54,915
Oh man

1222
01:02:55,065 --> 01:02:55,904
is the best shot.

1223
01:02:55,904 --> 01:02:56,060
Oh man.

1224
01:02:56,779 --> 01:02:57,225
I was like,

1225
01:02:57,285 --> 01:02:58,695
what was going through your mind then?

1226
01:02:59,595 --> 01:03:00,615
I should have stayed home.

1227
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,725
And were you at least wearing a life
jacket if you're going over water?

1228
01:03:04,904 --> 01:03:09,615
I had a granola bar and my water
bottle and um, I remember laying

1229
01:03:09,615 --> 01:03:13,095
on the ground with this, like
practically disintegrated para motor.

1230
01:03:13,095 --> 01:03:16,995
I was completely fine, but,
uh, it was, it was costly.

1231
01:03:17,055 --> 01:03:17,805
It was one of those things.

1232
01:03:17,805 --> 01:03:19,154
I look back, I'm like, why'd I do that?

1233
01:03:19,154 --> 01:03:22,605
This company had just sent me this
new wing, this was prototype one, and

1234
01:03:22,605 --> 01:03:24,855
I was like, that's five hours on it.

1235
01:03:24,855 --> 01:03:27,464
It was brand new and I just
completely shredded it.

1236
01:03:27,464 --> 01:03:33,225
It looked like a confetti party, and I'm
like, you did not think this through.

1237
01:03:33,705 --> 01:03:39,435
Like, what, what, what, at what point
did you, was the reward to get through

1238
01:03:39,435 --> 01:03:41,355
this bridge gonna grant you nothing?

1239
01:03:43,365 --> 01:03:43,515
Yeah.

1240
01:03:43,515 --> 01:03:44,115
That's awesome.

1241
01:03:44,835 --> 01:03:46,605
Well, did they give you
a new wing after that?

1242
01:03:46,694 --> 01:03:47,234
No.

1243
01:03:47,444 --> 01:03:48,615
I, in fact, I lost that sponsor.

1244
01:03:48,615 --> 01:03:51,105
They did because I forwarded,
I sent them photos.

1245
01:03:51,105 --> 01:03:52,904
I like, Hey, any chance we
could get a replacement?

1246
01:03:52,904 --> 01:03:56,955
And they're like, we needed you
to send us back for evaluation.

1247
01:03:56,984 --> 01:03:57,165
I'm like.

1248
01:03:57,825 --> 01:03:58,785
I can send it back.

1249
01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:01,455
And that was it of that one.

1250
01:04:01,455 --> 01:04:07,154
So, um, I, one of those scenarios,
you know, just like I look back, oh,

1251
01:04:07,154 --> 01:04:08,595
they're missing the mark on that one.

1252
01:04:09,285 --> 01:04:09,855
Hey, I'll

1253
01:04:09,855 --> 01:04:10,424
send you that

1254
01:04:10,424 --> 01:04:10,995
photo sometime.

1255
01:04:10,995 --> 01:04:11,625
You'll crack up.

1256
01:04:11,625 --> 01:04:12,674
You see me like midway?

1257
01:04:12,674 --> 01:04:15,165
Yeah, a hundred percent.

1258
01:04:15,165 --> 01:04:16,065
I wanna see that one.

1259
01:04:16,785 --> 01:04:22,964
Um, I read something about a helicopter
and a laser pointer in your youth.

1260
01:04:23,205 --> 01:04:26,475
Is that something that, uh, you know,
I've done a lot of silly things,

1261
01:04:26,475 --> 01:04:30,345
which I never thought about, uh,
consequences when I was, uh, younger.

1262
01:04:30,825 --> 01:04:34,785
I still kind of do some silly
things, but, um, it looked like

1263
01:04:34,785 --> 01:04:38,265
the, uh, the state tried to make
an example out of you on this one.

1264
01:04:38,475 --> 01:04:38,714
Yeah.

1265
01:04:38,774 --> 01:04:43,424
That one was, that was a, a era of
youth where once again you're like,

1266
01:04:44,685 --> 01:04:45,975
I didn't think this one through.

1267
01:04:46,095 --> 01:04:51,884
So, Indian buddy of mine, remarkably
smart software developer, he is working

1268
01:04:51,884 --> 01:04:56,805
on a flur system, which is a heat
sensitive type of digital imagery.

1269
01:04:57,945 --> 01:05:01,575
And these laser system that was,
we were using HVAC units on the

1270
01:05:01,575 --> 01:05:03,735
top of buildings as a range.

1271
01:05:04,095 --> 01:05:05,535
It's a fairly powerful laser.

1272
01:05:06,855 --> 01:05:12,915
Somehow the mix of that system and
tracking sources of heat with this

1273
01:05:12,915 --> 01:05:17,295
laser system and having it on a follow
setup that would follow the highest

1274
01:05:17,295 --> 01:05:23,145
points of heat in the program that
he had mixed with a few shots of

1275
01:05:23,145 --> 01:05:25,245
tequila and hanging out on a rooftop

1276
01:05:28,575 --> 01:05:29,295
as result, yes, as one does.

1277
01:05:29,775 --> 01:05:33,285
We talk about code Brown
is one of those scenarios.

1278
01:05:33,885 --> 01:05:40,695
Uh, turns out the heat source of
the exhaust of a Belgian ranger is

1279
01:05:40,695 --> 01:05:45,465
significantly hotter than the exhaust
of an HVAC unit on a building.

1280
01:05:45,885 --> 01:05:50,935
And I'll vividly remember, I was like,
why is the beam following that way?

1281
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:55,140
On that moving target
versus the HVAC unit.

1282
01:05:55,260 --> 01:06:00,180
And I remember he had pulled the, the,
like, it wasn't like this power pack

1283
01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:01,950
plug set up and the system was big.

1284
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:03,840
It was just on this, I
got a photo of the system.

1285
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,310
It was, it was remarkable
what he is doing.

1286
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:10,560
He was trying to sell this system to,
to a company that would, he was hope in

1287
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,880
hopes to make a lot of money off of it.

1288
01:06:12,195 --> 01:06:12,615
Mm-hmm.

1289
01:06:12,715 --> 01:06:16,920
It didn't go as plants and nothing
actually came of it originally, you

1290
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,350
know what, it happened, it tracked
onto it and we're like, that wasn't

1291
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:23,940
good because remember we like
illuminated the it, the aircraft.

1292
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:26,430
And I was like, we, we thought about
it a little bit and then we didn't

1293
01:06:26,430 --> 01:06:27,690
and we're like, okay, that was it.

1294
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,490
There's only a few seconds.

1295
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:32,970
Well fast forward we get a knock.

1296
01:06:33,810 --> 01:06:36,960
And I'll never forget I got that knock
on the door and I was like, these three

1297
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,300
guys, and they weren't even in like suits.

1298
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:40,830
They were just in
regular civilian clothes.

1299
01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:45,150
And I opened the door and they,
and, and they show their ID and it's

1300
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:48,750
the FBI and I'm like, what is this?

1301
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:51,120
I, I know I paid that parking ticket.

1302
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:55,109
I was like, absolutely confused.

1303
01:06:55,169 --> 01:06:57,480
And this is not like next
week or the week after.

1304
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,060
We're talking a y almost a year.

1305
01:07:01,109 --> 01:07:04,350
And he says, okay, do any of these images.

1306
01:07:04,350 --> 01:07:05,940
And he, he is like, can we
sit down and talk with you?

1307
01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:06,540
And I'm like, sure.

1308
01:07:07,410 --> 01:07:07,830
Okay.

1309
01:07:07,830 --> 01:07:12,029
And he pulls out this, this stack
of paper and you see this beam

1310
01:07:12,690 --> 01:07:13,770
from the top of this building.

1311
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:18,480
And, and at first it's, you see a beam
and then it's just this total whiteout.

1312
01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:21,060
And he's like, does this
look familiar to you?

1313
01:07:21,299 --> 01:07:22,649
And at the time it didn't register me.

1314
01:07:22,649 --> 01:07:25,140
I'm like, I'm, I'm still
confused, but okay.

1315
01:07:26,669 --> 01:07:34,440
He is like, this came from your
residence and we need to talk.

1316
01:07:34,859 --> 01:07:39,419
And so at the time I talked with him
and I gave him all the details and

1317
01:07:39,419 --> 01:07:41,549
I showed him the part of the system.

1318
01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:44,310
'cause the other he had at, at
time, that time my friend had

1319
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:46,350
already left, he was on a visa and.

1320
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,700
He was back into his, his country
and, and working on another project.

1321
01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:55,589
'cause this was a year and something
later and I explained the whole situation

1322
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:59,879
and, and at the time it didn't rest or
the severity of it and, and I was in

1323
01:07:59,879 --> 01:08:01,770
aviation and just don't think about that.

1324
01:08:01,799 --> 01:08:04,995
And the severity was very high.

1325
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:09,149
Let's just put it that way because
it followed through with like, Hey,

1326
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:10,950
we're gonna make an example outta you.

1327
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:16,470
And, and I'm like, guys, I,
I'm not like, uh, like this.

1328
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:19,859
I fly air shows and this
was, this was a mistake.

1329
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:21,809
But they don't see it that way.

1330
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,620
They want to nail and, and
portray it as like to others,

1331
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:27,210
which I completely understand.

1332
01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:28,590
Don't do this.

1333
01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:31,200
We'll make an example out of you by some.

1334
01:08:31,205 --> 01:08:32,460
That's, that's the impression I got.

1335
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:35,490
This was that it was a
new law in the books and

1336
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:35,910
they were trying

1337
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:36,930
to make an example,

1338
01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:38,130
cleanest record.

1339
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,460
I, I have like a few speeding
tickets and that was it.

1340
01:08:41,535 --> 01:08:45,750
And, and they were gonna,
the, the outcome of this.

1341
01:08:46,575 --> 01:08:48,795
Comparative to like other crimes.

1342
01:08:48,795 --> 01:08:52,815
You could, you could essentially
rob a bank and get off with less.

1343
01:08:53,295 --> 01:08:57,555
That's how simple they're taking this
and everything, every avenue that

1344
01:08:57,555 --> 01:09:00,645
we were trying to portray, I'm like,
look, there was alcohol involved.

1345
01:09:01,155 --> 01:09:02,985
I will say that that was, that was

1346
01:09:05,565 --> 01:09:06,615
my first mistake.

1347
01:09:06,615 --> 01:09:08,715
Number two is we didn't
think this through.

1348
01:09:08,715 --> 01:09:10,395
We didn't think this
through with the system.

1349
01:09:11,205 --> 01:09:12,645
That was number mistake, number two.

1350
01:09:12,885 --> 01:09:16,125
Number three is my buddy
was not there with me.

1351
01:09:16,125 --> 01:09:16,995
It was all on me.

1352
01:09:16,995 --> 01:09:18,015
And because it happened.

1353
01:09:18,135 --> 01:09:21,525
So there, there's a lot of variables
like, why didn't we do this in, in a part?

1354
01:09:21,525 --> 01:09:24,285
Why didn't we do this
at your place, not mine.

1355
01:09:25,290 --> 01:09:25,875
Right, right.

1356
01:09:25,965 --> 01:09:26,400
Well, for sure.

1357
01:09:27,195 --> 01:09:33,075
We, I, by the grace of God, they,
they finally came to their senses and

1358
01:09:33,075 --> 01:09:34,875
realized, why, why are we gonna ruin?

1359
01:09:35,505 --> 01:09:39,825
At the time I was pretty young, this
kid's life, there's no malicious

1360
01:09:39,825 --> 01:09:40,335
intent.

1361
01:09:41,219 --> 01:09:41,429
No.

1362
01:09:41,429 --> 01:09:42,420
Yeah, like that.

1363
01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:43,769
It was a truly an honest mistake.

1364
01:09:43,769 --> 01:09:47,969
And I, I was like, I am never touching
something like this ever again.

1365
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:49,049
Ever.

1366
01:09:49,154 --> 01:09:54,000
I, I won't even, like, I I, that
was like a month and a half of

1367
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,879
Code Brown every day is what

1368
01:09:56,879 --> 01:10:00,809
I, but wasn't that the, wasn't
that the first time in that state

1369
01:10:00,809 --> 01:10:03,360
that they actually followed through
with trying to do something?

1370
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,379
So I, and if so, wouldn't that
be another record that you hold?

1371
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:10,559
Well, it, it wasn't even
what the state it was.

1372
01:10:10,559 --> 01:10:13,259
It was actually, it went
like, it was federal,

1373
01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:14,639
federally Federal,

1374
01:10:14,639 --> 01:10:15,000
of course.

1375
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:15,179
Yeah.

1376
01:10:15,179 --> 01:10:15,570
The F fbi.

1377
01:10:15,929 --> 01:10:16,139
Yeah.

1378
01:10:16,139 --> 01:10:20,009
I'm like, this is, this is not good.

1379
01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:27,030
So by the week of God, and I don't know
how it, what happened or what unfolded,

1380
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,009
uh, what changed the perception.

1381
01:10:29,759 --> 01:10:36,000
They dropped the initial, um,
what they wanted to pursue,

1382
01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:37,320
the charge they wanna pursue.

1383
01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:40,170
Mm. And then on top of that, I got fined.

1384
01:10:40,860 --> 01:10:43,589
20 bucks, which I still don't understand.

1385
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:47,370
Of all the, I mean, when you
talk about the severity and

1386
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:48,415
the actual percussions of Okay.

1387
01:10:49,469 --> 01:10:54,870
And the timeframe that would've set
me back, I, I don't know what happened

1388
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:57,150
in that realm because the outcome
should have not happened that way.

1389
01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:59,910
Even though I didn't mean
to, it was a mistake.

1390
01:10:59,910 --> 01:11:02,759
It still happened, and they still
had the full authority mm-hmm.

1391
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,860
To pursue this and they didn't

1392
01:11:05,099 --> 01:11:05,280
mm-hmm.

1393
01:11:05,879 --> 01:11:12,330
Freaks me out to this day, I, I look
back at it and I'm like, maybe there was

1394
01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:19,410
another reason why this went the way it
did, because it's like maybe you have

1395
01:11:20,184 --> 01:11:23,009
a, a, a, a journey ahead of you that.

1396
01:11:24,135 --> 01:11:25,365
It needs to be pursued.

1397
01:11:25,515 --> 01:11:28,275
I'm a very strong believer
of that, not, not only that.

1398
01:11:28,275 --> 01:11:31,845
Maybe there's a journey ahead of you
that needs to be pursued, but also

1399
01:11:32,235 --> 01:11:35,445
in that journey, something's gonna
come up and you're gonna remember

1400
01:11:35,445 --> 01:11:38,835
this moment and you're going to make
maybe a little bit different decision

1401
01:11:38,835 --> 01:11:40,305
as to how you proceed forward.

1402
01:11:41,055 --> 01:11:41,925
And it comes down.

1403
01:11:41,925 --> 01:11:44,685
I've always been told even before this
happened, you'll have a moment in your

1404
01:11:44,685 --> 01:11:48,945
life that completely reshapes how you
perceive everything, how you pursue

1405
01:11:48,945 --> 01:11:53,715
everything, how you formulate your life
in the direction that you want it to go.

1406
01:11:53,775 --> 01:11:57,135
Those were one of those moments
where I'm like, okay, you need

1407
01:11:57,135 --> 01:12:00,135
to really analyze you actions.

1408
01:12:00,135 --> 01:12:03,045
You need to really analyze the environment
that you're putting yourself in.

1409
01:12:03,135 --> 01:12:07,095
Alcohol rarely mixes well
with this type of equipment.

1410
01:12:07,095 --> 01:12:11,535
Alcohol rarely mixes well
with this type of pursuant.

1411
01:12:11,535 --> 01:12:14,145
Kind of like you have a gun in
your hand and you're doing shots.

1412
01:12:14,145 --> 01:12:16,155
Is that a smart idea to play widely?

1413
01:12:16,155 --> 01:12:19,485
Coyote And no, same thing with this.

1414
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:21,405
And it really made me analyze like.

1415
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,220
Risk to reward.

1416
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,020
There is zero reward for this,
but the risk is ridiculously high.

1417
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,820
I found it interesting that it took
a year for them to kind of come back

1418
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:39,510
and figure this out and I, you know, I
gotta wonder if the risk adverse youth

1419
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:44,100
that we have nowadays might also be a
byproduct of the technology we have.

1420
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:47,280
'cause everyone's got a
phone, everyone can film this.

1421
01:12:47,550 --> 01:12:51,540
There's cameras on most street
corners it seems, in major cities.

1422
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:51,900
Yes.

1423
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:52,805
Uh, AI.

1424
01:12:53,835 --> 01:12:55,425
Holy crow, they're,
they're already looking

1425
01:12:56,085 --> 01:12:56,190
recogni If they, if

1426
01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:57,045
they haven't done it all,

1427
01:12:57,375 --> 01:12:58,905
kidding me, that freaks me out.

1428
01:12:58,905 --> 01:13:03,675
Like, and I worry that there's gonna be
errors in that system where like, one

1429
01:13:03,675 --> 01:13:07,185
guy's face matches up to the guy that,
you know, did the heist at the bank, but

1430
01:13:07,245 --> 01:13:09,645
he was at the King Soupers grocery store.

1431
01:13:09,915 --> 01:13:10,815
You, you, you know,

1432
01:13:10,995 --> 01:13:13,185
they don't even really need
facial recognition anymore.

1433
01:13:13,215 --> 01:13:16,665
I mean, if with digital wallets and
digital IDs, it's like, oh, this

1434
01:13:16,665 --> 01:13:21,165
person's been buying a lot of fertilizer
from stores and think maybe they're

1435
01:13:21,165 --> 01:13:22,485
gonna be doing something with that.

1436
01:13:22,485 --> 01:13:22,755
Or

1437
01:13:22,845 --> 01:13:23,205
Yes,

1438
01:13:23,505 --> 01:13:30,255
they have, uh, ai, large learning
model, um, programs for pre-crime

1439
01:13:30,465 --> 01:13:32,595
prediction, kinda like minority report.

1440
01:13:32,955 --> 01:13:36,285
Well, you know, they're looking at a
lot of this kind of stuff on social

1441
01:13:36,285 --> 01:13:40,065
media and they think their politics
are leaning to this side and they're in

1442
01:13:40,065 --> 01:13:45,915
this sort of a, uh, geopolitical area
and this sort of, uh, environment and

1443
01:13:46,185 --> 01:13:48,045
freaks me out it to some degree.

1444
01:13:48,045 --> 01:13:50,595
I know it's good for other
things, but like the flock camera.

1445
01:13:51,135 --> 01:13:54,075
System that they talk about where it takes
a photo of your face and your car, and

1446
01:13:54,075 --> 01:13:55,635
it's like, why were you at this corner?

1447
01:13:55,725 --> 01:13:58,785
And it sends all that data out to these
other companies that acquire that data.

1448
01:13:58,785 --> 01:14:00,135
I'm like, do you know?

1449
01:14:00,405 --> 01:14:03,075
So now they like, they know if you
wipe with your right hand or your

1450
01:14:03,075 --> 01:14:04,575
left hand with your butt, you know?

1451
01:14:05,445 --> 01:14:05,535
Mm-hmm.

1452
01:14:05,535 --> 01:14:05,545
Mm-hmm.

1453
01:14:05,545 --> 01:14:06,225
That freaks me out.

1454
01:14:07,455 --> 01:14:07,695
Like

1455
01:14:08,415 --> 01:14:08,745
yeah,

1456
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:09,570
it's,

1457
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:09,890
yeah.

1458
01:14:10,095 --> 01:14:14,895
I mean, because maybe it's not being built
with malicious intent, but those with

1459
01:14:14,955 --> 01:14:17,085
ill intent will use it for their gain.

1460
01:14:17,355 --> 01:14:17,595
Yeah.

1461
01:14:17,595 --> 01:14:21,735
And whether that's, I can market to
you better, I can specifically have

1462
01:14:21,735 --> 01:14:24,555
something tailored right to you that
I know you're gonna want to buy.

1463
01:14:24,555 --> 01:14:28,425
Because I know exactly what your,
what your habits and hobbies are

1464
01:14:28,695 --> 01:14:28,875
Yes.

1465
01:14:28,905 --> 01:14:33,885
To the idea of predictive, um, crimes.

1466
01:14:33,945 --> 01:14:35,895
That's, and it's, yeah, it's scary.

1467
01:14:35,925 --> 01:14:37,785
Oh, we're just gonna come by
your house because we have a

1468
01:14:37,905 --> 01:14:40,365
high likelihood that you're gonna
be doing something silly here.

1469
01:14:40,545 --> 01:14:42,285
You said something to somebody and

1470
01:14:42,705 --> 01:14:46,575
Yeah, there was a movie, I don't know, I
don't, don't know what it was called or

1471
01:14:46,635 --> 01:14:50,595
who was in it, but it would had a software
system or anything that predicted.

1472
01:14:51,105 --> 01:14:53,205
A crime before it actually happened.

1473
01:14:54,434 --> 01:14:54,644
And

1474
01:14:54,644 --> 01:14:55,634
Minority Report with

1475
01:14:55,634 --> 01:14:55,905
Tom

1476
01:14:55,905 --> 01:14:56,355
Cruise.

1477
01:14:56,745 --> 01:14:57,615
Thank, uh, I should know that.

1478
01:14:57,795 --> 01:14:58,065
Yeah.

1479
01:14:58,545 --> 01:15:03,224
Uh, I always say movies as
ridiculous as some of them are,

1480
01:15:04,065 --> 01:15:07,634
are usually a common tall tale of
what the future's gonna be like.

1481
01:15:07,724 --> 01:15:11,235
And one of those would be
as Terminator mark my words.

1482
01:15:11,295 --> 01:15:12,434
Mm. We'll have this conversation.

1483
01:15:12,434 --> 01:15:16,875
This podcast will be put in the vault, you
know, 50 years, a hundred years from now.

1484
01:15:17,355 --> 01:15:19,005
It's gonna be a real thing.

1485
01:15:19,155 --> 01:15:25,065
And Boston Dynamics, you look them
up, which seems to be, seems to begin

1486
01:15:25,065 --> 01:15:30,495
with as a harmless, noisy walking
for legged dog now has a 50 cal and

1487
01:15:30,495 --> 01:15:32,235
small rocket pods mounted to it.

1488
01:15:33,405 --> 01:15:33,825
Hello.

1489
01:15:34,035 --> 01:15:37,335
But it'll, my my opinion, have you
ever had the conversation with AI

1490
01:15:37,335 --> 01:15:38,804
about what that'll actually look like?

1491
01:15:39,554 --> 01:15:40,429
I'm just there to find out.

1492
01:15:41,805 --> 01:15:43,575
We we're way easier than that.

1493
01:15:43,815 --> 01:15:45,945
They don't need to be
coming at us with guns.

1494
01:15:45,975 --> 01:15:51,585
They don't need to be coming at us with
flame throwers and the T 1000, they

1495
01:15:51,585 --> 01:15:56,445
can just psychologically manipulate
people into being a bunch of sheep into

1496
01:15:56,505 --> 01:15:59,155
fighting each other into like, right.

1497
01:16:00,190 --> 01:16:00,610
Scares

1498
01:16:00,690 --> 01:16:00,810
me.

1499
01:16:00,970 --> 01:16:06,075
I mean, it, it, yeah, it can control
traffic flows and dams and water sources.

1500
01:16:06,075 --> 01:16:11,775
And I mean, if you play that scenario
out with ai, there's a much, uh,

1501
01:16:11,835 --> 01:16:16,455
more probable and a much easier
way forward if technology wanted

1502
01:16:16,455 --> 01:16:20,415
to do what happened in Terminator
than fighting each other with guns.

1503
01:16:22,455 --> 01:16:24,525
And thing is most people wouldn't
even know what's happening.

1504
01:16:25,665 --> 01:16:29,445
I, uh, if there's one aspect that I wish
I had, would that be a time machine?

1505
01:16:29,445 --> 01:16:35,085
'cause I would, the technology part
scares me and the simplicity of life

1506
01:16:35,085 --> 01:16:36,465
in some aspects back in the day.

1507
01:16:37,395 --> 01:16:43,335
I think really made the quality
of life and the predictability.

1508
01:16:43,335 --> 01:16:46,335
You know, we, I think we're,
we're ge starting to guarantee

1509
01:16:46,335 --> 01:16:50,955
predictability of certain aspects
of how we conduct our lives.

1510
01:16:50,955 --> 01:16:52,275
And that's, that's terrifying.

1511
01:16:52,635 --> 01:16:52,785
Mm-hmm.

1512
01:16:53,025 --> 01:16:53,565
To me.

1513
01:16:53,565 --> 01:16:54,135
I don't like that.

1514
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,295
Do do you have any favorite books?

1515
01:16:56,295 --> 01:16:57,135
Your favorite movies?

1516
01:16:57,495 --> 01:16:58,215
Yes.

1517
01:16:58,695 --> 01:16:59,955
Favorite movies?

1518
01:17:00,015 --> 01:17:05,685
Uh, probably one of my, uh, I love the
Great Waldo Pepper, if you ever seen that.

1519
01:17:05,685 --> 01:17:06,885
It's with Robert Redford.

1520
01:17:06,975 --> 01:17:09,495
It's shot, it's, no, it's
placed in the twenties.

1521
01:17:10,305 --> 01:17:11,085
Phenomenal.

1522
01:17:11,685 --> 01:17:17,265
It's, uh, it's about a guy that is
given a lot of things thrown in his

1523
01:17:17,265 --> 01:17:20,895
lap from a pilot perspective, and
they don't go the way that he hoped.

1524
01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:22,290
Hmm.

1525
01:17:22,295 --> 01:17:25,515
And he comes to a point in his life
where he's hit his pinnacle and

1526
01:17:26,265 --> 01:17:29,985
it, it just resonated on a lot of
ways of trials and tribulations.

1527
01:17:29,985 --> 01:17:33,135
I think that's, those are, that's a
movie that I, I really appreciate.

1528
01:17:33,555 --> 01:17:33,855
Uh.

1529
01:17:34,769 --> 01:17:40,559
Obviously PLO 13 is childhood for me,
but my fiance gets so mad 'cause we'll

1530
01:17:40,559 --> 01:17:43,230
be, you know, watching a movie and
she'll go make dinner, I'll be starting

1531
01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:46,889
to play PLO 13 and she'll be like,
you just watched this two days ago.

1532
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:49,650
You know, all the words,

1533
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:50,429
everything.

1534
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:56,280
Uh, I think that was a movie that really
resonated with me because it in a time

1535
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,510
of where your outlook is, looks very
grim when it comes to survivability.

1536
01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:06,150
Somehow you make things work and it's
not just once, but multiple avenues

1537
01:18:06,179 --> 01:18:11,309
of desperation and things thrown
against you and yet you make it work.

1538
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:14,849
Well, I'm gonna have to watch the,
you call it the Great Waldo Pepper,

1539
01:18:15,059 --> 01:18:16,110
great Waldo Pepper.

1540
01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:17,010
It's phenomenal.

1541
01:18:17,429 --> 01:18:17,910
I, uh,

1542
01:18:17,915 --> 01:18:18,554
okay, I'm gonna watch

1543
01:18:18,554 --> 01:18:18,675
it.

1544
01:18:18,679 --> 01:18:21,450
I like weird movies, you know,
and I'm not, I don't have any new

1545
01:18:21,450 --> 01:18:24,420
movies that I'm really nuts about.

1546
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:28,559
Um, you know, one, it's old
and people probably find this

1547
01:18:28,559 --> 01:18:29,639
as cheesy and it's boring.

1548
01:18:29,639 --> 01:18:31,349
It's called Strategic Air Command.

1549
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:35,430
Uh, it's with Jimmy Stewart
who was shot in 1955.

1550
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,570
Some of the best flying scenes
of this particular aircraft that

1551
01:18:39,599 --> 01:18:41,550
it's called the B 36 Peacemaker.

1552
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,860
And it's this giant airplane.

1553
01:18:43,889 --> 01:18:44,639
Absolutely.

1554
01:18:44,639 --> 01:18:47,940
Like a time when engineers were
given something in their coffee

1555
01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:50,940
and it wasn't coffee, and they
came out with these aircraft that

1556
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:53,670
just completely blew the mind.

1557
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,710
And it was really well shot.

1558
01:18:55,860 --> 01:18:58,349
It was dynamic behind the actual script.

1559
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,240
Resonate resonated with me because it's
a guy that has his life figured out.

1560
01:19:04,139 --> 01:19:07,290
He's a pro ball player and was
formerly Air Force, and he gets

1561
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:11,880
pulled back in to the Air Force and
has flying all these admission, all

1562
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,590
these missions that nearly killed him.

1563
01:19:14,010 --> 01:19:17,430
And he is just having, like, he just
got married and he just had a baby.

1564
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:23,340
And where he thinks it's his
dreams are falling apart soon.

1565
01:19:23,940 --> 01:19:25,545
Actually, I'm not gonna
give the movie away, but

1566
01:19:25,894 --> 01:19:26,184
Okay.

1567
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:26,820
Okay.

1568
01:19:27,389 --> 01:19:28,985
Watches sometime it's, it's, uh.

1569
01:19:29,639 --> 01:19:30,630
I think it's well shot.

1570
01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:34,740
Like I said, it's it's fifties
type monologue or criteria,

1571
01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:37,170
so it could be cheesy to some
people, but if you actually,

1572
01:19:37,530 --> 01:19:37,889
Hey,

1573
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:39,660
invest into it, it's a good,

1574
01:19:39,719 --> 01:19:40,590
I'm all for that.

1575
01:19:41,429 --> 01:19:42,240
I'm all for that.

1576
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:42,990
What about you?

1577
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:44,070
I don't know.

1578
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:45,509
I've always liked the
Man Who Would Be King.

1579
01:19:45,509 --> 01:19:49,380
I like the old Kipling book and then,
uh, the movie with Michael Kane and,

1580
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:52,800
and Sean Connery and yeah, because
they're just a couple guys out in

1581
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,210
an adventure doing their thing.

1582
01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:55,769
They want to be Kings of Kastan.

1583
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,130
Oh,

1584
01:19:56,130 --> 01:19:56,340
love that.

1585
01:19:56,375 --> 01:19:57,054
That's that.

1586
01:19:57,780 --> 01:19:58,170
Yeah.

1587
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,150
You, oh, so you've, you've
read it or you seen that one?

1588
01:20:00,150 --> 01:20:00,450
Have you

1589
01:20:00,780 --> 01:20:01,710
I have not seen that.

1590
01:20:01,710 --> 01:20:04,679
I've heard the name and I kind
of have an idea if I saw a cover

1591
01:20:05,099 --> 01:20:08,429
that I would, I would recognize
the one that you're talking about.

1592
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,950
It's kind of cheesy by today's standards,
but you know, they just, they figured

1593
01:20:13,950 --> 01:20:18,330
that, uh, they're in India and India's
too, there are a couple of British

1594
01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:23,519
officers, and India's too small for
big men of their character, and they're

1595
01:20:23,519 --> 01:20:24,929
just off to the next adventure there.

1596
01:20:25,545 --> 01:20:29,475
Heading over to a fictitious
place of kastan, I think it was.

1597
01:20:29,475 --> 01:20:34,815
And, um, they teach the different
tribes how to, uh, to fight and

1598
01:20:34,815 --> 01:20:39,735
win over their enemies and, uh,
um, end up becoming rulers of this,

1599
01:20:39,735 --> 01:20:41,355
uh, one large tribe over there.

1600
01:20:41,355 --> 01:20:46,935
So I just, the adventure of going
off and doing something, I, I've

1601
01:20:46,935 --> 01:20:48,105
always liked that sort of thing.

1602
01:20:48,525 --> 01:20:53,625
Um, and as a kid, the book that I
always liked was, um, uh, my Side of

1603
01:20:53,625 --> 01:20:55,780
the Mountain, just a kid who, uh, oh, my

1604
01:20:55,780 --> 01:20:56,580
side of the mountain.

1605
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:59,145
That was, what was that
part of the hatchet series?

1606
01:20:59,235 --> 01:21:02,865
I don't think it was, uh, but it was
just similar along the same lines.

1607
01:21:02,865 --> 01:21:03,195
Right.

1608
01:21:03,225 --> 01:21:07,365
You know, Sam Gribble going off
and, uh, running away from home

1609
01:21:07,365 --> 01:21:10,005
and living in the woods and then
like that, always that spoke to me.

1610
01:21:11,805 --> 01:21:11,895
Yes.

1611
01:21:11,895 --> 01:21:12,645
My side of the mountain.

1612
01:21:12,645 --> 01:21:13,755
I read that as a kid.

1613
01:21:14,715 --> 01:21:18,825
Yeah, I actually, I ended up,
uh, stealing that book from my

1614
01:21:18,825 --> 01:21:20,445
school 'cause I loved it so much.

1615
01:21:20,475 --> 01:21:25,065
And, uh, I got caught by my teacher
in the process of stealing it.

1616
01:21:25,725 --> 01:21:31,005
And, uh, I, I thought it was grade four,
I think it was, um, whatever it was.

1617
01:21:31,005 --> 01:21:35,385
Anyways, he and the teacher
catches me and What are you doing?

1618
01:21:35,385 --> 01:21:36,285
Oh, this is my book.

1619
01:21:36,285 --> 01:21:37,065
This is your book.

1620
01:21:37,065 --> 01:21:40,395
I mean, like, this is the same class
copy book that we all got here, right?

1621
01:21:40,395 --> 01:21:42,165
And, oh, no, no, no, this one's mine.

1622
01:21:42,165 --> 01:21:43,665
I'm just lying my face off.

1623
01:21:43,665 --> 01:21:47,295
And teacher looks it open,
opens it up, and it said, uh,

1624
01:21:47,295 --> 01:21:48,885
the school's name in the front.

1625
01:21:48,885 --> 01:21:51,525
And so he rips that page off
and it says, well, I guess it

1626
01:21:51,525 --> 01:21:53,145
is your book Hands it to me.

1627
01:21:53,145 --> 01:21:55,305
I'm like, oh, teacher's pretty cool.

1628
01:21:55,575 --> 01:21:58,845
But, uh, teacher realized I just,
I really liked it and I, um,

1629
01:21:59,265 --> 01:22:01,365
um, ended up giving it to me.

1630
01:22:01,485 --> 01:22:03,765
So that was, uh, still have that one.

1631
01:22:03,765 --> 01:22:04,845
I'm kicking her out here somewhere.

1632
01:22:05,205 --> 01:22:05,955
That's amazing.

1633
01:22:06,585 --> 01:22:09,795
Is there anything that we haven't
talked about that we should talk about?

1634
01:22:10,724 --> 01:22:13,875
You know, I think, uh, it's
based on, you know, who your

1635
01:22:13,875 --> 01:22:15,344
audience is and, and whatnot.

1636
01:22:15,344 --> 01:22:19,934
I'd say the number one thing is,
you know, we're often, we have

1637
01:22:19,934 --> 01:22:22,695
these great ideas that formulate
in our heads and we actually get

1638
01:22:22,695 --> 01:22:24,195
to so far as like, you know what?

1639
01:22:24,195 --> 01:22:25,754
I think I can make this happen.

1640
01:22:25,754 --> 01:22:29,535
Whether it's a trip, whether it's that
hike you wanted to do or the mountain you

1641
01:22:29,535 --> 01:22:33,884
wanted to climb, or for some, like, you've
always wanted to get your pilot's license.

1642
01:22:33,884 --> 01:22:38,084
And I think a big factor that
plays in a role for a lot of people

1643
01:22:38,084 --> 01:22:40,544
obviously is age is one factor.

1644
01:22:40,544 --> 01:22:41,655
Like, oh, I'm too old for that.

1645
01:22:41,660 --> 01:22:41,730
Mm-hmm.

1646
01:22:41,809 --> 01:22:47,655
I hear that so many times that a lot
of the activities that we do, um, I,

1647
01:22:47,655 --> 01:22:52,754
that, that kind of saddens me because
I think the capabilities of us as we

1648
01:22:52,754 --> 01:22:54,405
get older, they say, oh, you slow down.

1649
01:22:54,405 --> 01:22:57,195
And, and that, that is a mindset.

1650
01:22:57,464 --> 01:23:00,674
And I, and I think, you know, for
anyone listening to this is like, if

1651
01:23:00,674 --> 01:23:03,884
that, if there is truly an adventure
that you are, have always wanted

1652
01:23:03,884 --> 01:23:08,445
to do, lay out the reasons as to
why you think you can't do that.

1653
01:23:09,315 --> 01:23:14,085
Really focus on those and ask yourself,
are these actually realistic reasons

1654
01:23:14,085 --> 01:23:16,935
or is those reasons that I'm just
telling myself so I don't do this?

1655
01:23:17,805 --> 01:23:17,895
Mm-hmm.

1656
01:23:18,135 --> 01:23:19,935
Because you'd be shocked.

1657
01:23:20,865 --> 01:23:23,235
Now, I don't know anybody's circumstances
could be health or any of that,

1658
01:23:23,235 --> 01:23:27,645
but I, I would say majority of the
individuals, they'd probably be

1659
01:23:27,645 --> 01:23:33,345
surprised that they are still capable
and still that dream can happen and

1660
01:23:33,345 --> 01:23:35,205
that adventure still can be acquired.

1661
01:23:35,325 --> 01:23:42,705
And there's a lot of woo woo of like,
you know, believe in your spirituality

1662
01:23:42,705 --> 01:23:44,415
and it'll come to you in due time.

1663
01:23:44,745 --> 01:23:45,465
That's not true.

1664
01:23:45,465 --> 01:23:47,085
Like the time is now.

1665
01:23:47,745 --> 01:23:52,095
You can't keep, we
constantly put stuff off.

1666
01:23:52,095 --> 01:23:57,315
Procrastination is the worst habit
of the human race, and I am myself.

1667
01:23:57,645 --> 01:24:00,555
I do that daily still, and I
try to correct and catch myself.

1668
01:24:00,555 --> 01:24:04,275
But when it comes to true adventure
and the removal of regret,

1669
01:24:05,265 --> 01:24:06,795
write down your bucket list.

1670
01:24:07,365 --> 01:24:13,275
This could be a, a date, a week, a
month, a year, a decade bucket list,

1671
01:24:13,875 --> 01:24:18,674
and write down what you want to do
that would make you happy and things

1672
01:24:18,674 --> 01:24:22,695
that you've always wanted to do, and
find a way to make that bucket list

1673
01:24:23,084 --> 01:24:25,905
box checked off every single time.

1674
01:24:26,565 --> 01:24:30,134
Nathan, a I really
enjoyed this conversation.

1675
01:24:30,794 --> 01:24:32,924
I really enjoyed that message at the end.

1676
01:24:32,924 --> 01:24:34,575
I'm sure we're gonna make
a clip out of that one.

1677
01:24:35,025 --> 01:24:37,575
Thank you so much for being
on the Silvercore Podcast.

1678
01:24:37,605 --> 01:24:38,594
Thanks for having me on here.

1679
01:24:38,594 --> 01:24:41,985
It was great talking with
you and, uh, I, it was.

1680
01:24:42,555 --> 01:24:46,995
I love environments like this and
just to meet other great creative

1681
01:24:46,995 --> 01:24:48,795
people that have that same mindset.

1682
01:24:48,795 --> 01:24:50,265
I just, we need more of it.

1683
01:24:50,685 --> 01:24:53,325
Likewise, brother, and I'm looking
forward to seeing you and your fiance

1684
01:24:53,325 --> 01:24:56,655
when you're up here in bc. That's,
uh, the next big adventure there.

1685
01:24:56,775 --> 01:24:58,095
I will be sure to call you.

1686
01:24:58,095 --> 01:24:58,635
Excellent.

1687
01:25:00,075 --> 01:25:00,705
Great talk with you.