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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, good morning. This is Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff coming to you from the Bible Guys podcast Studio

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<v Speaker 1>World Headquarters. Actually it's a studio that should we Does

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<v Speaker 1>anybody even know where it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Yeah, well do you want huge lines of fans

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<v Speaker 2>just surrounding the place every day when we come in? Stop? Stop?

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<v Speaker 1>Where the where are the sunglasses?

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<v Speaker 2>Put a coat over my head?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we shouldn't tell them where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good friend of ours. Own's a studio that

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<v Speaker 2>specializes in podcast stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is a part of heritage. There's a great volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>and a good friend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll leave it at that. Okay, all right, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>The pop rots. It's so difficult. Yeah, all right, too soon?

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<v Speaker 2>Too soon? It's from the what eighties? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Nineties? So uh, Desiree has created a segment on Friday

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<v Speaker 1>to do Who's most Likely? So we're going to read

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<v Speaker 1>five questions and then you and I get to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to do it instinctively and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to agree or disagree. Who's most likely to do these things?

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<v Speaker 1>You ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>When your first one?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's most likely to pretend they don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>shovel snow so someone else has to do it? Pretty sure?

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<v Speaker 2>That's me? Yeah, that's yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Oh, my arms don't work. My hands don't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't work. I wasn't going to pretend to know if

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<v Speaker 1>that was you or not. But I will go on

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<v Speaker 1>the record and say it's definitely not me doing during.

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<v Speaker 2>A snowstorm, do you go out multiple times to clear

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<v Speaker 2>the sidewalk?

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<v Speaker 1>It depends. If it's a heavy, wet snow, absolutely I

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<v Speaker 1>have to right otherwise it's gonna you're gonna be You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be in trouble if you don't. So so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll definitely do that if it's a If it's a

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<v Speaker 1>like a wet snow, because.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the I have a neighbor who's like so excited

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<v Speaker 2>every time snowfalls. He's out three or four times, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>shoveling and snow blow.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a if it's a really soft, fluffy snow,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely I will not do it. There's no way it's

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<v Speaker 1>not enjoyable. It's it's a dread Okay, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it if it's heavy, because if you don't, the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom will melt, it will become ice. And then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you have to, you know, you shovel,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know why snowblow? Right, I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big snowblow. But then then you're you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>on like a bunch of ice. Yeah, and I hate

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<v Speaker 1>when it's not down to the cement.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, number two two turn yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's most likely to send a Christmas card to themselves

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<v Speaker 1>just to get that perfect photo?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>It's most likely to send a Christmas card to themselves

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<v Speaker 1>just to get the perfect photo? Why are they mixing?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is she mixing photo.

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<v Speaker 2>With a card? I don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is she meaning like a Chrismas photo card? Must be Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I refuse to entertain this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, pass pass. Yeah, we never do Christmas photos, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys do Christmas? Well you do. It's like Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>pajama photos and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure social media sure yeah yeah, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think what she's referring to is

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional like Christmas photo that's like like, that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a It's either becomes a card or it

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<v Speaker 1>gets inserted in a Christmas letter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have friends who do Christmas letters?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I have a missionary friend that does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh and do you read them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, and they'll have a photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Has your family ever done a Christmas letter update?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>My wife did it for years, for like ten years. Wow, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's been going on for the zarbas in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>right right, right right, Okay, it's just like an update

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But I was glad to day that

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<v Speaker 1>she stopped that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. Okay, so we're gonna move on from that one. Ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's most likely to pretend they're a snowplow and drive

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's both of us?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably Yeah, but I'm gonna say me, okay, I think

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<v Speaker 2>probably you two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, pretend there's a snowplow and drive around making snow

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<v Speaker 1>drifts for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I'm gonna see me. Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Number four, who's most likely to get tangled in Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>lights while trying to decorate the house.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually done it, yeah, and almost fell off the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I got my feet tangled up in the

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<v Speaker 2>so I had I had a coil of them, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I have a right now. The house we're

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<v Speaker 2>in is a tri level, yes. And so I was

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<v Speaker 2>on the lower roof and I was putting on the

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<v Speaker 2>top roof and I stretched across like this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>went to turn and I was tangled in the coil

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<v Speaker 2>below me and just about went over the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know the last three years in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a company to decorate my house?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know that, did you?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because you brag about it every year?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, we all know who it is at work. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well I got to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Something and then you don't have to pay for it

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<v Speaker 2>because you just have to brag about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. Well I wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to say any of that. Here's what I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, is like three years ago, I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the peak peak of my house, like the peak peak, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I almost slipped off. And I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>almost stop off. I had I slid like a foot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but in.

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<v Speaker 1>That foot I thought I was going to die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My son is a he delivers he's a crane

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<v Speaker 2>operator and he delivers roofing and siding for a big company.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's on roofs all day, every day, delivering stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And he fell off a roof a couple weeks ago

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<v Speaker 2>and dislocated his shoulder. And I'm like, ding dong, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous thing, you know. Yeah, And when I call

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<v Speaker 2>him ding dong, it's only with the fondest sure love kindness.

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<v Speaker 1>Ding dong love.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and he went back to work next day.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy is so tough. I mean, these guys that

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<v Speaker 2>that do that kind of outdoor work, they're so tough.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, nah, I'm fine, I'm fine. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bruise. I'm like, yeah, except you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>walking crooked and your shoulders out of a joint.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, crazy have to say, I am the most thankful. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The joy, the amount of joy that comes knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to get on the roof is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know the answer to this next one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>who's most likely to go ice skating but end up

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<v Speaker 2>clinging to the wall the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>That would definitely be you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, you're not an ice skater.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not an ice skater. I'm not a tap dancer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not right. You've got all those Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>did you just I'm more of a football player.

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<v Speaker 1>You just put ice skating in the realm of a

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<v Speaker 1>feminine thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever watched the Olympics?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever watched hockey? Sure? Sure, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that that's what I was envisioning in this moment, Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>Be Ice skating has now become like it's what it

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<v Speaker 1>was when we were growing up. Ice skating we were

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<v Speaker 1>growing up was topiic. But guys don't wear the topicks anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They wear the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>The hockey sequence, whether they wear the sequence and the

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<v Speaker 2>like the flowing arm stuff. I get it, man, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I totally get it. Hey, I've seen hockey. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>big hockey fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get in trouble with anybody who goes

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<v Speaker 1>ice skating because they love the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>Hockey players don't go ice skating. They put on skates

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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of my son driving somebody into the

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<v Speaker 2>son used to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Ice skating all the time with his friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not saying anything about your office was and

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<v Speaker 2>he was worring, I'm not speaking negatively about your offspring

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<v Speaker 2>in any way. I was just saying, I can envision

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<v Speaker 2>you personal. Do you see the office skating and spinning

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<v Speaker 2>around the office and me hanging under the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael all I said, Michael Scott is a phenomenal hockey

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<v Speaker 1>skater and goes ice skating.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, excellent? All right, skating on the ice and ice

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<v Speaker 2>skating are two different things. I'm just the key players

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<v Speaker 2>will defend that art.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm defending the sport of ice skating because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just fine, you made a feminine I did not. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not. I just said tap dancing and ice skating

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<v Speaker 2>are your thing. That's how I said. That's the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing I said. And you're trying to make it something

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say, and I I am not. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>with it, who's who's most likely to try to go

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<v Speaker 2>ice skating but end up cleaning the wall? And I

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<v Speaker 2>said that was me proverbs just talking about me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you said in the negative thing, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that feminine No, that is not what I said,

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<v Speaker 2>football player. I did not say that, Yes you did.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You literally did.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say I didn't want to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of that sport. You literally I just said I can

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<v Speaker 2>see you ice skating. Okay, all right, we didn't move

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<v Speaker 2>on and tap dancing, and I'm twenty one. The king's

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<v Speaker 2>heart is like a stream of water directed by the Lord. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>he guides it wherever he pleased. It may be right

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<v Speaker 2>in their own eyes, but the Lord examines their heart. Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>it literally says it right there. Hey, the Lord knows

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<v Speaker 2>my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Jeff, I thought that your observation about hockey was

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<v Speaker 1>a little harsh. And we're about to enter into Proverbs

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, and there are some pretty harsh truths that

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<v Speaker 1>salmon includes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I know my heart and so does the Lord. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so go ahead. The king's heart is like a stream

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<v Speaker 2>So the Lord knows. Yes, the Lord knows that you

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<v Speaker 2>were telling lies. The Lord is more pleased when we

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<v Speaker 2>him sacrifices. Haughty eyes, a proud heart, and evil actions

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<v Speaker 2>are all sin. Good planning and hard work lead to prosperity,

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<v Speaker 2>but hasty shortcuts lead to poverty. Wealth created by a

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<v Speaker 2>The violence of the wicked and sweeps them away because

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<v Speaker 2>of crooked path, the innocent travelist straight road. It's better

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Evil people desire evil. Their neighbors get no mercy from them.

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<v Speaker 2>If you punish a mocker, the simple minded become wise.

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<v Speaker 2>We already read a verse very similar to that, Remember

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<v Speaker 2>disaster on them. Those who shut their ears to the

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<v Speaker 2>cries of the poor will be ignored in their own

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<v Speaker 2>time of need. Wow, a secret gift calms anger. A

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<v Speaker 2>bribe under the table pacifies fury. Justice is a joy

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<v Speaker 2>to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers. The person who

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<v Speaker 2>of the dead. Those who love pleasure become poor, those

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<v Speaker 2>who love wine and luxury will never be rich. The

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<v Speaker 2>wicked are punished in place of the godly, and traders

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<v Speaker 2>in place of the honest. It's better to live alone

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert than with a coarrelsome complaining wife. Once again,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what that means. What does that

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<v Speaker 2>even mean? I have no idea. The wis have wealth

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<v Speaker 2>and luxury, but fools spend whatever they get. Whoever pursues

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<v Speaker 2>righteousness and unfailing love will find life, righteousness, and honor.

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<v Speaker 2>The wise conquer the city of the strong and level

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<v Speaker 2>the fortress in which they trust. Watch your tongue and

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<v Speaker 2>keep your mouth shut, and you will stay out of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wish that's how I'd started this segment today.

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<v Speaker 2>I wash my mouth and kept my mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, as opposed to making fun of all the hockey

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<v Speaker 1>players of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do that, you did. I didn't. Mockers are

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<v Speaker 2>proud and haughty, and they act boundless with boundless arrogance

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<v Speaker 2>despite their desires. The lazy will come to ruin for

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<v Speaker 2>their hands refuse to work. Some people are always greedy

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<v Speaker 2>for more, but the godly love to givefice of an

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<v Speaker 2>evil person is detestable, especially when it's offered with wrong motives.

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<v Speaker 2>A false witness will be cut off, but a credible

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<v Speaker 2>witness will be allowed to speak. The wicked bluff their

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<v Speaker 2>way through, but the virtuous think before they act. No

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<v Speaker 2>human wisdom or understanding or plan can stand against the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but

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<v Speaker 2>the victory belongs to the Lord. I love that. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go.

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<v Speaker 1>The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but

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<v Speaker 1>the victory belongs to the Lord. Yep, that's great. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I'm struggling so much today with my throat,

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<v Speaker 1>but I certainly am, are you. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good stuff in here, and you know again, Solomon

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<v Speaker 1>talks a lot about, you know, wickedness and foolishness and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else, but there's some things that jump off the page.

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<v Speaker 1>I like verse over twelve because it says the righteous

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<v Speaker 1>one and it's capital r and capital o. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>righteous one knows what is going on in the homes

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<v Speaker 1>of the wicked, he who bring disaster on them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it Isn't it great? How if you know the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>you always make a comment and say the Bible is

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<v Speaker 1>its own best commentary.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are other verses that pop into your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>right the Canglatians where it says, don't be deceived. God

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<v Speaker 1>is not mocked. What server mansus, He's going to reap.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that God sees all things. What you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, you know, what goes around comes around, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You roll a stone, it's going to roll back on you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you dig a pit, you're going to fall in it.

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<v Speaker 1>They's just this, you know, there's all these verses that

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<v Speaker 1>seem to come together with some of the same principles,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just great to be reminded that God sees

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<v Speaker 1>all things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so with that soap strategy that we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about, you know, so scripture we already did that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next one is observation. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>those one of the things we're looking for is what's

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<v Speaker 2>to say about God? What does it say about people.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? You know what jumped off the page.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we've already acknowledged that the proverb are really

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<v Speaker 2>all about every day living. So what it says about

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<v Speaker 2>people every verse is that. But there's several and you've

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<v Speaker 2>already referenced one there that you know, the Lord, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the righteous one right knows what's going on in the

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<v Speaker 2>homes of the wicked. He's so really that's saying God's

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention to everybody and everything. The first three verses

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<v Speaker 2>here all mentioned the Lord, which is interesting because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we've mentioned before that many of the proverbs he's

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<v Speaker 2>not mentioning God, he's just talking about every day living.

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<v Speaker 2>But here the first verse says, the king's heart is

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<v Speaker 2>like a stream of water directed by the Lord. God

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<v Speaker 2>guides it wherever he pleases, right, right, so God can

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<v Speaker 2>redirect there's a flow to the king, but God's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that's directing that flow. The next one, people may

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<v Speaker 2>be right in her own eyes, but the Lord examines

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<v Speaker 2>their heart. He's looking at the heart. Right, It's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>all of these phrases are talking about how God pays

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the heart. Then the last one, verse three,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord is more pleased when we do what is

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<v Speaker 2>right and just than when we offer him sacrifices. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>God's looking for right behavior and right hearts more than

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<v Speaker 2>religious ritual. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know again I'm talking about cross referencing.

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<v Speaker 1>That reminds me what verses that remind you of? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there any verse that sticks out where he says the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord is more pleased, Uh, when we do what is

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<v Speaker 1>justin right we offer.

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<v Speaker 2>You reminds me when Samuel confronted Saul right and said

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<v Speaker 2>obedience is better than sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's one of them. There's another one, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is when David commits sin in front of Betesheba or

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<v Speaker 1>not in front of this with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says he says, uh, what is he saying?

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<v Speaker 2>He says, uh, you'd rather have a broken contrite heart than.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these things and spies, right yeah. So so so

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<v Speaker 1>God doesn't want my sacrifices as much as God wants

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<v Speaker 1>my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what That's basically what it.

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<v Speaker 2>So when when you're asking these questions, what is this

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<v Speaker 2>passage to say about God? That's the first question you're

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<v Speaker 2>asking in the observation side, there's tons of practical advice.

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<v Speaker 2>But what you see here is these three versus and

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<v Speaker 2>then the other one all reference the fact that God's

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<v Speaker 2>obedience and heart. Those are the two things that we

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<v Speaker 2>learn about God. Everything else is what we learn about humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, hey, bribes, he's not advising bribes. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>saying that bribes oftentimes and get you out of trouble, right,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So that's that's not a moral statement

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<v Speaker 2>saying do it or don't do it. It's just saying

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<v Speaker 2>this is a truth, right, as opposed to when you

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<v Speaker 2>get into what does it say about God? That's a

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<v Speaker 2>big you know, It's why we always ask that one first.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you read a passage, does it say about God?

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<v Speaker 2>Deal with that? Then move one verse four.

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<v Speaker 1>Has that word you think is harsh, haughty eyes?

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<v Speaker 2>Haughty eyes?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I said it was harsh. Yep, there is haughty eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>a proud heart and evil actions or else sin.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, you ever see, just like a really

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<v Speaker 2>prideful person, you don't even have to say anything or

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<v Speaker 2>hear them say any words, right, just the way they

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<v Speaker 2>look and act is So that's that's what the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>was saying. There, God doesn't even so the prideful heart

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<v Speaker 2>thing is is you know, that's a secret thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>then the person who overtly is flamboyant about their pride

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<v Speaker 2>and self centeredness and their narcissism. So that's a different

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<v Speaker 2>thing than the internal. That's the external, right, And God says,

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<v Speaker 2>what's on the outside and the inside when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to prideful people, it's kind of gross. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love how he says, if you instruct the wise,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be all the wiser. But but before that, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>if you punish the mocker, the simple mind had become wise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's there's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That has come up a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well, I mean you already sort of reference.

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<v Speaker 1>Punish somebody publicly, then then the rest of the people

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time, you don't do that, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's this, it's it's when you're aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the simple minded they're watching right right, then

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<v Speaker 2>that's when you do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. H Those who love pleasure become poor,

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<v Speaker 1>those who love wine and luxury, will never be rich.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's not the one I was thinking of.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was going to comment on that one, that

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<v Speaker 1>The foolish spend everything. Oh, it's two verses later. The

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<v Speaker 1>wise have wealth and luxury, but fools spend whatever they get.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting how you would think that one equals

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<v Speaker 1>well fool spends, meaning that they would then have luxury. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not what he's saying. He's talking about good,

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<v Speaker 1>healthy planning. He's talking about you know, investments, he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>being a lender.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, all those things. It's expensive to be poor, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have to borrow and borrow and borrow, you

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<v Speaker 2>pay interest and you're making somebody else right, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>when you finally, if you're wise and you begin to

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<v Speaker 2>fill it with the fancies furniture, then you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay interest. You just you do it as you

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<v Speaker 2>go along, and then next thing, you know, a few

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<v Speaker 2>years later, it's not a sudden right, but a few

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<v Speaker 2>making somebody else rich, you're saving up your own money.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you're just paying whatever the standard going price is,

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<v Speaker 2>not interest on things. And then that extra you know,

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<v Speaker 2>five percent, builds up over time and then you're saving,

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<v Speaker 2>and so gross. I had one of the wisest men

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever known in business, and I mentioned him before.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a pipefitter. His dad was a circuit riding

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<v Speaker 2>preacher in East Texas back in the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he was an old man and very wealthy,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a pipefitter. And it turned out he

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife had made a commitment to God that

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<v Speaker 2>they would never go in debt for personal reasons, only

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<v Speaker 2>to make money. So they would go in debt to

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<v Speaker 2>buy a business, but they wouldn't go into debt to

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<v Speaker 2>buy furniture. And so when they got married, literally he

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<v Speaker 2>showed me a picture one day. He keeps it used

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it in his office at one of their

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<v Speaker 2>insurance companies they owned, and it was a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>them at their first it was either Thanksgiving or Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>And they had made all of their furniture from Orange crates.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And now at this point they owned a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of insurance places, he owned a couple of use storage

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<v Speaker 2>store at places. He owned a small engine repair and

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<v Speaker 2>equipment rental company, and he kept his job as a pipefitter.

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<v Speaker 2>And he'd never managed any personal debt, only had debts

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to buy companies. And the dude was

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<v Speaker 2>printing money. And that's what I read there, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so they had extreme luxury. And he's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most generous people I've ever known. And it is because

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<v Speaker 2>they lived a simple life. They weren't quick to get rich.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't trying to always show off their wealth. They

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<v Speaker 2>were willing to move slowly on it, and they made

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<v Speaker 2>wise decisions. And he told me that his dad taught

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<v Speaker 2>him when he was a kid, give God ten, save twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>live on seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, So instead ten ten eighty, it's ten twenty eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he was rich or ten twenty seventy or

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, yeah, ten, he said, So it's hard when

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<v Speaker 2>you're young, import it's hard to live on seventy percent.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, it's really easy to be rich, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>And he said that's how I got there. By my

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<v Speaker 2>mid thirties, I was way ahead of all my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have just unpacked what Dave Ramsey means when

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<v Speaker 1>he says that one catchphrase that he always says, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>live like no one else, so that one day you

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<v Speaker 1>can live like no one else.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, That's exactly what they did. Bob Hinton was

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<v Speaker 2>his name. He's in heaven now, but one of the

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<v Speaker 2>godliest men I've ever known, one of the most generous

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<v Speaker 2>people I've ever known, one of the smartest people I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever known, never went to college, died a wealthy man,

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<v Speaker 2>godly man, person of integrity, and he passed it on

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I was going to say he lived, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>an inheritance to his children's children.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, yeah, And that's what I read there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that that, well, the wise have wealth and luxury, but

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<v Speaker 2>fools spend whatever they get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, I was spending about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of what I was making right right, and

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<v Speaker 2>he sent me down. He said, Jeff, you're always going

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<v Speaker 2>to chase your tail. It's hard being poor, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>not being poor. You know, money is hard. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you're paying interest, you're making somebody else rich. When you

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<v Speaker 2>start paying yourself interest, you're making yourself rich. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>take the time, pay the price now so that you're

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<v Speaker 2>you don't live a poor life.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, one more thing we can we can unpackt this

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. How much wisdom is wrapped up in

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<v Speaker 1>verse number thirty one a lot. It says the horse

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<v Speaker 1>is prepared for the day of battle, but the victory

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<v Speaker 1>belongs to the lord it so the horse is prepared

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<v Speaker 1>for the day of battle. Do you read that as

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<v Speaker 1>God is saying, do what you can do do one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten percent. Yes, prepare, apply your wisdom, apply

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<v Speaker 1>your experience. You know, God has given you all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things, so don't be lazy. Do everything that you

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<v Speaker 1>can do in your own effort to prepare wisely, and

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<v Speaker 1>then understand that if you're successful, if if if things happen,

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<v Speaker 1>they go your way. It is God that works.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, you know. So let's take it back

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<v Speaker 2>to the money thing. You should work hard. He says

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<v Speaker 2>this hard work produce as wealth, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And he talks about against laziness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so you should work hard. You should develop

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<v Speaker 2>your skills. You should plow like we talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>other day, plow the field now and get ready, develop

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<v Speaker 2>the skills that you're going to need for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>All those kinds of things. You should invest well, you

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<v Speaker 2>should avoid debt. You should do all these things. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you have that house, and when you have that

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<v Speaker 2>comfort and the luxury and all the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>were building towards, God gave you all of those opportunities. God, right,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to, Oh God, just please make me rich

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<v Speaker 2>and make my life more comfortable. God's like, what have

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<v Speaker 2>you been doing? Right? So, instead, what I believe God

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<v Speaker 2>does when when When when we're praying those kind of

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<v Speaker 2>prayers of help us get ahead, God opens up opportunities. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give an opportunity for a side hustle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you an opportunity for another stream

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<v Speaker 2>of income. I'm going to give you an opportunity maybe

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<v Speaker 2>to manage your wealth in a way that you're able

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<v Speaker 2>to eliminate debt and then start being able to prepare

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<v Speaker 2>for the future. And I'm going to give you opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>to invest so that you have, you know, when you're younger,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you're ready when you're older. I gave you

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<v Speaker 2>all these opportunities. And then when you finally have that success,

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<v Speaker 2>you prepared the horse for battle. But then you sit

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<v Speaker 2>back and look at the victory and go, Man, if

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<v Speaker 2>God hadn't opened up all these doors, if God hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>shown me this path, I could have never won this

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<v Speaker 2>battle right now. And so you do what you can do,

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<v Speaker 2>and God does what he can do, right right, God

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<v Speaker 2>does what only he can do at that point, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I just had lunch with a guy yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>who was very successful, is very successful, has this business,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's got a ton of money, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and he says, this company, you know, he named

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<v Speaker 1>his company. He said, that is not me. That is God,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he said, that is God.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a godly man, recognizing, yes, I did the best

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<v Speaker 2>I could, right, but God did far more than I

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<v Speaker 2>could have dreamed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So the victory belongs to the Lord. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's something to be said.

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<v Speaker 2>For verse five in connection with that last with verse

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one, verse five says good planning and hard work

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<v Speaker 2>lead to prosperity. And then you can read on the

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<v Speaker 2>horses prepared for the day of battle, right right, but

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<v Speaker 2>the victory belongs to the Lord. Yeah, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>a god a.

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<v Speaker 1>Man and he's and he again he talks against laziness too.

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<v Speaker 1>He took with plowing the fields. But also in verse

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, despite their evil desires, the lazy will come

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<v Speaker 1>to ruin for their hands refused to work. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely you know, the diligence. Do what you can

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<v Speaker 1>do the uh, you know, don't be lazy and work

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<v Speaker 1>hard and do it the right way and then understand

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<v Speaker 1>that then God will bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's great. Man. I love, I love the wisdom

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<v Speaker 2>of Solomon. It's every day practical wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hopefully you've enjoyed this whole week, if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>following along every day. I think we have still more

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<v Speaker 1>to cover in Proverbs because there's so much there. So

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we will see you next time on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys,