WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.119 practical ways. Hey, everybody, get morning to you. My name 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:15.960 is Chris, this is Jeff. We are the Bible Guys. 5 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.320 It's good to be here. Yes, it is really another 6 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:18.839 good day. 7 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:23.399 Our website is the Bible Guys dot com. If you 8 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.760 want to go there and subscribe, and if you want 9 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:30.480 to pass along the link perhaps to a friend or 10 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:33.320 post something on social media, we would. 11 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:33.880 Really appreciate it. 12 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:34.479 That's awesome. 13 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.399 We are the Bible Guys dot com. Yeah, so we 14 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.960 are going to jump into Jeff a brand new segment that. 15 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:42.439 Sort of is you never know. 16 00:00:42.759 --> 00:00:44.640 I don't know how it's gonna fly. This was this 17 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:45.439 is a hard one. 18 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:46.880 Yeah, this is so. 19 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:48.240 It's called the name Game. 20 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:49.640 I'm fifty to fifty on this one. 21 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:50.560 It's a name game. 22 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:50.960 Yep. 23 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.920 And we just saw this like rate before this episode. 24 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:56.079 Started twenty seconds ago. 25 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:58.759 Yes, and it says that I am supposed to say 26 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.399 a name real or fake yep. And you have to 27 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:04.959 come up with a song, a movie, or a TV 28 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.680 character whose name starts with the same letter or sound. 29 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:10.879 Yeah, which is pretty vague. 30 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.680 That's really vague. For example, if the name is Sarah, 31 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:18.000 you might say Sarah Connor from Terminator, or you might 32 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:21.719 mention the song Sarah by Fleetwood mac oh. So. So 33 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:25.879 basically it's it's just a matter of you being able 34 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.000 to associate any name I mentioned. What's something in pop culture? Okay, 35 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:30.840 it sure seems like. 36 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:34.000 It that sounds that's actually a really good summer Okay, Okay, 37 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:38.200 pick a name, Okay, Frank, Frank. It was the name 38 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:43.560 of Leo DiCaprio in the movie Departed. Okay, wow, Bob 39 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:45.640 Bob is what about Bob? 40 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:50.760 Bill Murray played with what's his name? Dreyfuss Okay, yeah, 41 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:51.719 And what about. 42 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.719 Bob when he goes baby steps out the door, baby steps, 43 00:01:54.760 --> 00:02:02.480 I'm shaving Okay, Okay, okay, okay. Uh Betty Betty Betty Brandt, 44 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:08.000 which is played the secretary to Peter Parker in uh 45 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:10.840 in Spider Man Okay, okay. 46 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.479 Uh Man Alive. There's a bunch of them, but they're 47 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:14.479 all they're all easy. 48 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.000 Uh. Julio Julio. 49 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:26.520 Jolio Julio is the name of the jalapeno of the 50 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:31.759 guy who does the puppets a jo Jo Okay, that's 51 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:32.439 pop culture. 52 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:36.000 That's it. It feels right to me. It is a movie, 53 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:40.000 a TV character, or a song Julio song on TV. 54 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:41.280 Oh I did see it on TV? 55 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:45.240 Yes, okay, so that counts all right, okay, pretty good? 56 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:50.479 Yeah you are? How about man? I can't think of 57 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.879 one people are you're just come up with? I know, 58 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:55.680 well I know, but okay, Jeff. 59 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:04.360 Oh, Jeff, okay, Jeff, Wow, Holy Christmas, Jeff. 60 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.840 Okay. Did you ever see twenty one Jump Street? 61 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:07.360 No? 62 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:09.400 Uh so twenty one Jump Street? 63 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:09.719 Uh? 64 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:13.080 Chadum Tanning and Jonas what was his name? 65 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.080 Jonah Tatum Channing? 66 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:16.159 What did I say? 67 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:17.280 You said Chadum Tanning? 68 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.960 Oh yeah, yeah, Tatum Channing, Yeah, okay, and Jonah Hill. 69 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.080 They were pretending to be undercover and there's this really 70 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:25.960 famous line where he goes. 71 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:27.719 In and he goes, hey, man, how you doing? 72 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.000 And Jonah Hill starts to act like he's a Spanish, 73 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.479 you know, Mexican or whatever, and then uh and then 74 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.199 he he looks over at his friend and uh, and 75 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:41.120 his friend goes, my name's Jeff, and it's a really 76 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:41.879 funny line. 77 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:45.840 Oh no, okay, Well, so good job, Chris, thank you. 78 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:52.240 We are so proud of you. How about uh, Chad Chad? 79 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:54.639 Oh wow, Chad. 80 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:01.960 These are hard names. I know Chad, Chad, I'm not 81 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:07.680 sure besides our executive pastor. Yeah, I don't think I 82 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.800 know of a Chad. So Chad always makes our executive pastor. 83 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:14.759 He always makes fun of the fact that he said 84 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.800 in every movie that a Chad ever shows up, he's 85 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.839 usually wearing like docker kind of shorts and has a 86 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.279 has a sweater tied around his shoulders. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 87 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:27.839 Chad or Nerd? Those are those are the two? Either 88 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:28.680 preppy or nerd. 89 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.480 I gotta be honest. I I just don't want to 90 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:32.399 waste anybody's time. 91 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.920 You can't find one, maybe I can later be As 92 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:36.000 of right now, I'm drawing a blank. 93 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:41.199 Okay, okay, how about here's here's the last one. Bonnie Bonnie. 94 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:42.439 Oh that's your wife's name. 95 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.399 Yeah, that's my wife's name, Bonnie. It seems like nobody 96 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.439 ever can recognize Bonnie's name, Like if she goes to 97 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.120 Starbucks and they write your name on your yeah thing, 98 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:56.879 it'll say Connie, It'll say Fanny, yeah, it'll say Betty. Yeah, 99 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:57.839 never Bonnie. 100 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.279 I honestly don't know of a Bonnie either. 101 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:03.040 About Bonnie and Clyde. 102 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.120 Oh yeah, Bonnie and Clyde. Way to go. Well, you 103 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:07.959 would know that because your wife's name is Bonnie. 104 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:09.560 You thought of that before exactly? 105 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:10.959 Yeah, yeah, Bonnie and Clyde. 106 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.079 Honestly, besides Bonnie and Clyde, I'm not sure, because Bonnie 107 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.759 is a decently uncommon name. 108 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:17.920 Yeah, it's pretty uncommon. 109 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:18.240 Yeah. 110 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.639 Okay, Well, hey, you did a good job, Chris. Well 111 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.639 I get for our inaugural run. 112 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.839 Yeah, I get three out of five. 113 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:26.120 Yeah, it's a sixty. 114 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.040 Yeah. And and the first three I got pretty quickly. 115 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:33.519 Yes, you did. But then you started Bob, Fred and Julio. 116 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.279 Yes, well Julia was actually pretty hard. 117 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.759 Yeah that was a good one. Yeah, okay, well there 118 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.000 you go. I don't know if that's what Desire wanted 119 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.199 from us, but that's what we gave her. 120 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.160 That's what we gave her. Yes, and we're only at 121 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.720 five minutes, so our listeners, we're going to bail. 122 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.959 Yeah, we didn't. We didn't drag it out, which is good. 123 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:55.319 So yesterday talking about not dragging it out, God took 124 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.360 a light of the heaven in a whirlwind. He didn't 125 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.319 drag him there he took him in a tornado. 126 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:00.480 That's right. 127 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.839 Which, by the way, we didn't even talk about the 128 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:07.120 physicality of how this must have looked, because it says 129 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.959 a chariot pulled in between them, So so that gives 130 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.439 us a fantastic visual right, and it was a flaming chariot, is. 131 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.480 That correct, chariot of fire? 132 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.040 So it comes through and so we know that, like 133 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:22.079 you know, dramatically, they're they're, they're, they've parted, and here 134 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:24.639 comes this flaming chariot. Right now, here's what I would 135 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.839 have expected. I would have expected the scripture to say. 136 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.959 And then Elijah got in the chariot, and the chariot, 137 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.519 like Santa Claus, was like ah, and then went off 138 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.040 into the you know sunset where the flying deer reindeer. 139 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.120 In the sky. That's what I would have pictured. But 140 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:38.800 he doesn't say that. 141 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:40.639 It says the flaming cheriot came down and then all 142 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.000 of a sudden God used. 143 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.439 A wind a whirlwind. 144 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.839 Yes, So so it's like, was the flaming chariot in 145 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:49.480 the whirlwind? 146 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:51.040 I think? So did he get in the chair? I 147 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:52.800 think so, yeah, he get in the chariot. 148 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.680 Oh no, that's the music and the reason it was 149 00:06:59.279 --> 00:06:59.879 that's great. 150 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.800 Yeah, you know how she's riding on the bicycle and yes. 151 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.399 That's exactly what I'm thinking as she's staring at the 152 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.759 window and all those things come by, right, yeah, but 153 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:08.720 then she turns. 154 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.720 Into the wicked witch. By the way, that was a scary. 155 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:15.879 Moment, right. So anyways, that's the that's kind of the image, Yes, 156 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.399 I think, is that he goes up in this tornado 157 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.279 in a chariot of fire. 158 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:23.279 And and he is the only the second person to 159 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:24.240 ever not. 160 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.519 Die in the Bible and go to Heaven. That's correct 161 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.040 in the Bible. Yeah, yeah, so there was Enoch early 162 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.639 on in Genesis, and then you go all the way 163 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.199 to hear and it doesn't record that Elijah died, just 164 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:35.560 that he was taken to heaven. 165 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:36.959 And how did Enoch go to heaven? 166 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.279 Uh, he was walking with the Lord and he was not. 167 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.519 He was not, That's what the Bible says. 168 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.040 Yes, he just he was there. 169 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:44.759 Then he wasn't. 170 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.040 Yep, he just he just teleported to heaven. 171 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:48.720 That's amazing. 172 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:50.800 But this one is a little bit more visually stunning, 173 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:51.600 Yes it is. 174 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.000 And then the only Elijah didn't do anything halfway right, 175 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.639 everything's over the top of Elijah and and and. 176 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.040 By the way, the only other person recorded in the 177 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:04.319 Bible other than Enoch and Elijah who didn't die but 178 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:05.519 went to heaven is. 179 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:08.920 It's sort of a trick question. 180 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:14.920 Who Jesus went to heaven but didn't die. Jesus, Okay, 181 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:20.040 but he died, he rose again, meaning. 182 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:21.360 He didn't have to die to get to heaven. 183 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.920 Jesus died on the earth and then rose again on 184 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:29.519 the earth, but then he ascended them great And I 185 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:30.480 told you it was a trick question. 186 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:35.679 Send all of your theological arguments to seizar ba at whatever. 187 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.159 Dude, Jesus just trying to tell. 188 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:40.799 You that he wasn't required to die. 189 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:42.080 Okay. 190 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.480 All I'm saying is every other person was every other 191 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.919 person's Bible. Their body died, and their and their soul 192 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:49.519 went to heaven. 193 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:50.120 That's correct. 194 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:50.519 Okay. 195 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.559 Jesus went back physically, Okay, Okay, that's what I'm saying. 196 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.159 He went bodily back to heaven. Yes, okay, all right, 197 00:08:58.279 --> 00:08:58.840 I'm good with that. 198 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.159 Yes, thanks good. The lawyer in your head, oh is 199 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:03.679 that what it is? 200 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.360 Well, I think yeah, that's a big one though. Here 201 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:12.200 we go, so talking about Elisha. I don't even have 202 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:14.159 a transition for this one. Now, I got, I got 203 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:16.360 did it. We already did the fluss, We already did it. 204 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.600 What I said, you said, uh speaking of dragging along? 205 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:25.240 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So Elisha now is 206 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:30.039 stepping into Elijah's position as the key or the main 207 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.159 prophet in Israel. And it says in the Second King's 208 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.440 Chapter two, verse ninety, because remember this all happens right 209 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:40.639 across the river from Jericho, so the natural first town 210 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.159 to go back to would be Jericho for supplies or whatever, says. 211 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.559 One day, the leaders of the town of Jericho visited Elisha. 212 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:48.759 We have a problem, my lord. They told him. This 213 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.240 town is located in pleasant surroundings, as you can see, 214 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.159 but the water is bad and the land is unproductive. 215 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.840 Elisha said, bring me a new bowl with salt in it, 216 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.320 and so they brought it to him, and they went 217 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.200 out to the spring that supplied the town with water 218 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.120 and threw the salt into it. And he said, this 219 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.600 is what the Lord says, I have purified this water. 220 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:10.279 It will no longer cause death or infertility. And the 221 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:13.519 water has remained pure ever since, just as Elisha said, 222 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.559 Elijah left Jericho and went up to Bethel, and as 223 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.200 he was walking along the road, a group of boys 224 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.759 from the town began mocking, making fun of him. Go away, baldy, 225 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.759 they chanted, go away, baldy. Alisha turned around and looked 226 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:25.960 at them, and he cursed them and the name of 227 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:27.879 the Lord, and then two bears came out of the 228 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.480 woods and mulled forty two of them. From there, Elisha 229 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.000 went to Mount Carmel and finally returned to Samaria. 230 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:40.120 Well yeah, right, yeah, And by the way, let's just 231 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:43.240 get this out of the way. I love the note 232 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.120 on the Life Application Study Bible that says this. This 233 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:50.919 group of boys was from Bethel, the religious center of 234 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:51.799 Idolatry in. 235 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:52.639 The Northern Kingdom. 236 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:58.039 They were probably and they were probably were warning Elisha 237 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.799 not to speak against their morality as Elijah had done. 238 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:02.639 They were not. 239 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:07.039 Merely teasing Elisha about his baldness, but showing severe disrespect 240 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.480 for Elisha's message in God's power. They may also have 241 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.360 jeered because they were in disbelief about the chariot of 242 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:18.879 fire that had taken Elijah. And when Elisha cursed them, 243 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:21.679 he did not call out the bearers himself. God sent 244 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.440 them as a judgment for their callous belief. So this 245 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.759 probably was not a group of you know, children, It 246 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:34.159 was probably a group of young men, young men from you. 247 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.679 Know, Yeah, you weren't fully a man until you were thirty. Yes, 248 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.399 so you were acknowledged as a man at thirteen, right 249 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:43.159 at en barmentzvah or whatever their their ceremony was at 250 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.960 that time. You'd be acknowledged as a young man at thirteen, 251 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.759 but you weren't a full adult man until you worked thirty. 252 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.120 Which is probably the reason why Jesus began his ministry 253 00:11:55.159 --> 00:12:00.759 at thirty for credibility, right, And so. 254 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.840 Children versus young men. Yeah, but either. 255 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.240 Way, it says as a group of boys and we 256 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:06.360 see a think eight year olds right, right, but it 257 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.759 could have been a twenty five year old and so 258 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:14.399 but yeah, so it says they were mocking Elijah or Elishah, right, 259 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:18.120 So it doesn't It doesn't just mean they were only 260 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.519 making fun of him being bald. It means they were 261 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.360 mocking him as a person and they called him baldy. 262 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.440 Right right right right, just death, just name calling. But 263 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.200 the issue at hand seems to be from Bethel right 264 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:34.159 that they were rejecting his leadership rejecting his God. 265 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.120 Well, I think there's a reason why the scripture includes 266 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.360 the fact that they were from Bethel, that's right, right, 267 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.519 So it gives us some indication of what was happening here. Right, 268 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.600 He's like, Okay, there's a group of boys from Bethel. 269 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.360 If you're in the Old Testament times and you read that, 270 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.720 you go, oh, I see what's happening here, right, right, 271 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.399 So that's what happened. And then Elisha cursed them, and 272 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.080 then God is the one who set the bears and 273 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.399 so so yeah, holy cow, by the way, forty bears 274 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.879 mauling forty two of these, it's a rough day. Yeah, well, 275 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.559 it just goes to show you that God takes a blasphemy. 276 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.399 Seriously, you know. 277 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.600 That's why you know it was there. I think you 278 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.960 can know that their intent was going after God, not 279 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:21.440 after Elisha. Right. Elisha just happened to represent God. He 280 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:22.759 washet the prophet. 281 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.639 Yeah yeah, so, but but yeah, that's that's pretty crazy. 282 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.720 And then hey, let's not look over the fact. 283 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:36.399 That Elisha's first miracles were throwing a bowl of salt 284 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.679 in unpurified water and saying, Okay, God's going to purify 285 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.639 this water is going to be completely clean after one bowl. 286 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.960 Of salt was in it. Yeah, and yet that's what 287 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.600 God did. It purifies, it preserves, right, you know, all 288 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:55.879 those things. But these miracles really highlight the idea that 289 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:00.440 God had decided to descend on Elisha and give Elisha 290 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.399 the same authority. 291 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:06.360 That's really what he's doing. He's confirming Elisha's authority with 292 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:11.600 the people of Israel. And I'm guessing after this incident 293 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.840 with these forty two, yeah, people voice that were mocking 294 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.200 yet of them, Yeah, which is there's more than forty two, 295 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:20.480 but the forty two that died, I'm guessing after that, 296 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.879 not many people had the courage to mock correct, you know, 297 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.200 the man of God or whatever. And this is an 298 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:32.679 issue for me personally. I used to be very frustrated 299 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:38.200 with different faith leaders that disappointed me or whatever, and 300 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.679 I found myself kind of talking bad about them. But 301 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.320 then several years ago, before I ever came to Herida Church, 302 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.960 I had had a kind of a devastating event where 303 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.120 somebody who should have known better kind of betrayed me 304 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:01.080 and my wife and I just decided, Okay, we're not 305 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.399 gonna we had hurt feelings certainly, and we had our 306 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.159 own personal bitterness we had to work through, but we 307 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:10.519 decided we weren't going to talk about it a lot publicly, 308 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:12.960 And don't I don't think that the Bible is saying 309 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.879 that you should cover up sin or bad behavior, right, 310 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.840 that that's not or illegal things. He's not saying that. 311 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:20.639 But I think a lot of times when we see 312 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.679 somebody who makes a mistake, we're quick to point quicker 313 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:26.279 to point it out with God's leadership than we are, 314 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:29.639 you know, our own, or we just can't seem to 315 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.559 look away. And so we kind of took this position 316 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.960 then and then on into serving the previous pastor that 317 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.159 I served before I came to Heritage, that we just 318 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.639 weren't going to be public at all about any disagreements 319 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.879 we had as long as it wasn't immoral or illegal 320 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.879 or unethical. Right, We're just going to be silent because 321 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:47.879 it's not our job. That's God's man, not my man. 322 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.360 And we took that principle from David when David chose 323 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.120 not to kill Elis kill Saul two different times, yep, right, 324 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:57.759 And he said, how do I lay my hand on 325 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.559 God's man? So that was one one and then the 326 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:05.120 other one was this story here that I thought, you 327 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.600 know what, it's not my business to mock or call 328 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.279 out on others. So when somebody writes a new book, 329 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.360 or there's a new podcast that comes out, or there's 330 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.120 some new Netflix series that comes out about some bad 331 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.600 thing that happens at some church somewhere or whatever, I 332 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:23.120 almost never do. I'll read an article, right. I think 333 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.440 being informed is an interesting thing. I normally will not 334 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.440 indulge in anything where somebody's going to make money off 335 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.759 of my participation with it. Right, So they make money 336 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.879 off of my click, they make money off of my 337 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.600 watching on Netflix, they make money off of my listening 338 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.000 on the podcast kind of thing. I just decided, you 339 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:45.600 know what, I don't want to participate in those things. 340 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.120 That's God's responsibility to fix that person or straighten that 341 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.440 person out. And it's just kind of me watching it, 342 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.159 you know, rubber necking at a car accident. There's nothing 343 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.399 I can do about it. It's none of my business. 344 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:00.759 I just can't hardly look away, right, And I think 345 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:02.759 it becomes a habit there. And it's a little bit 346 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.119 of this that these these boys, these boys did the 347 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:09.960 opposite of what David did. David decided to spare Saul, 348 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:11.880 even though he was in his hand. He could have 349 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.400 killed him. He ran from Saul for twenty years and 350 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.880 he could have killed him, and he didn't, and God 351 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.079 raised him up and he became the greatest king in Israel, 352 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.319 not only because of that, but partly because of that. 353 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.480 And these young men mocked the man of God. They 354 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.359 took advantage in this moment, and their lives ended because 355 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.559 of it. And I just think, ugh, you know what, 356 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.319 I don't want to take shots at bad at bad leaders. 357 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.240 It slips sometimes. You know that we've been around it. 358 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.319 It slips out on me sometimes. I just don't want 359 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.839 to be that guy. I don't want to do that. 360 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.440 I don't want to indulge in that. And it's partly 361 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:47.519 because of this passage has always been a big one 362 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:47.759 for me. 363 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.160 Yeah, that's great, that's great. 364 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.279 The you know, it's it's funny because with every with 365 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.680 every great lesson that can come out of passage, you know, 366 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:03.960 it's a it's I've seen this passage also used UH 367 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.640 in the wrong way, but that's almost every passage, right, 368 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.200 so you know, so like you know, like uh, wives 369 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.640 submit to your husband's we've seen that taught properly because 370 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.000 we know exactly what that means, right. 371 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:25.279 Mutual, mutual is perfect. Big fan of that passage. My 372 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.480 wife is going to give it to me when I'm no. 373 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.839 But we've seen the passage that misused. 374 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:35.160 Misused, And so I've seen this passage misused in an 375 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:39.880 unbelievable gross way as well. Uh, just like wife Smith, 376 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.960 your husband's it's when that's misused that's gross, just absolutely gross. 377 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:45.519 And and and and. 378 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.559 Uh you know, there was some really really really bad 379 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.319 behavior by you know, uh, the pastor and uh, you know, 380 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.640 I'm not sure it could be called uh sinful in 381 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.319 in in that it broke like a commandment like voushot 382 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:05.559 not kind of thing, but it was uncharacteristic, uh to 383 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.759 the to a gross degree, you know, and just you know, 384 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.240 bad bad form of character and integrity and things like that. 385 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:16.079 Uh you know, technically you know that that's about integrity, 386 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.839 those kinds of kinds of things, but just a gross offense. 387 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.160 And uh and then he used this scripture to defend 388 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.839 himself like saying, do you know. 389 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:28.759 My title right back off right right? And and uh 390 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:29.319 and so you. 391 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.079 Can't seen that too, Yep, I've seen that you. 392 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.880 Can't come at me, you can't challenge me. No, that's 393 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.000 not what the scripture says. You know, we should be 394 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:40.960 subject to you know, to accountability and and and you know, 395 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:42.599 wise counsel and all these kinds of things. 396 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.480 But no, you know, you shall not touch the annoidat 397 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.039 of God. I'm the anoidant of God. And it's like wow, Wow, 398 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:50.359 that's that's crazy, right. 399 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.359 Yeah, Well, then all you have to do is hand 400 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.599 him over to God. It turns out elisha wasn't the 401 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.400