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I'm Travis Bader
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outdoor adventures.

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Have you ever looked at
the information specs

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on an ammo package
and wondered what all

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those numbers mean?

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Do you have questions
about what the best

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cartridge or calibre.

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For your hunting needs.

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This episode was
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If we missed anything
or you want to

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know more email
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So I'm sitting down
today with my longtime

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friend and hunting
partner, Paul Ballard.

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And if you're a listener
of The Silvercore

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Podcast, you will
have definitely heard

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Paul before talking
about many different

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subjects, actually,
Paul you're on our,

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our very first podcast.

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I think that was
the very first one

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with Nick and I.

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That's right.

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That was a fun one.

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Yeah, no, I look back
on that the, uh, the

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studio's changed, the
equipment's getting

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better and, uh, you've
really embraced the

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concept of the podcast.

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And I think as a method
of communication to

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people, it's, it's,
it's working it's,

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it's, it's hip it's
now, it's happening man.

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So we'll stay with that.

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You know, one of the
podcasts that we did

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together, that I get
a lot of comments

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on, was information
for new hunters.

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And a lot of people
have said that they've

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derived a lot of
value out of that.

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And really all of
the podcasts that we

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do ,I do with a mind
towards the end user.

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If we're going to be
asking for their time to

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listen to the podcast,
we want to impart

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some value to them.

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Yeah.

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And I agree.

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And I, and we pitched
this one when we were

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talking, uh, sort of
as a part two to that.

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So we talk about
equipment in the form

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of glass and rifle and
type of action and so on.

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This one becomes more
specific, I think today,

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because we want to talk
about the calibres.

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What, what, what
calibre should I be

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looking at for hunting?

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The age old debate.

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Right.

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And I mean, everybody's
got an opinion on

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this one, but let's
give some options for

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people to think about.

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We'll go from sort
of a basic approach

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that, uh, I've picked
up my bolt action

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rifle, what calibre
should I pick it in?

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Right.

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And what are the
pros and cons?

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And so we got some
sort of, uh, you know,

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we'll talk historically
a little bit.

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We'll talk about a
little bit of math,

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but not really get
into the math of it.

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Right, right.

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But there is some science
to this thing, uh, to

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understand why certain
calibres are effective,

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uh, understand some of
the emotional side to

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think, oh, well maybe
emotional attachment

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to certain calibres or
cartridges, we should

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actually say cartridges.

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I think, uh, calibre
does factor into it, but

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the specific cartridges
have their own nature.

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And let's see
where we go.

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Well, one of the feedback
points that I got, and

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I got this from a couple
of people and they said

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really, really liked it
had to listen to it a

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few times cause there
is a lot of information

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and some people said,
although you and I,

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as we're talking, we
didn't feel like we're

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talking at any sort of
like high level stuff.

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We also got to remember
when somebody brand new

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to the game, it can be
a little overwhelming.

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So after we're done here,
what I'm going to do is

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I'm going to make a blog
post because you've got

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some material here in
front of us, and we'll

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probably reference a few
things throughout here.

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So after the listeners
go through, we'll have

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a more detailed account
with some visuals and

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some graphs and, and for
them to reference back.

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And the ability
to help them out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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That's good.

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So, whatever, um, you
caught in your ear, you

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can, uh, you can see how
it plays out when you're

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looking at the page.

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Absolutely.

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So when we're looking
at different cartridges

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and different calibres,
at the very like

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introductory level,
w what do you think

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are some of the
things that people

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should be thinking of?

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Like, for, for my mind,
uh, cost, recoil and

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efficiency of the round.

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Yeah, well, I, I kind of,
I made some notes, so I

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wouldn't forget things,
but how about, uh,

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effective killing and,
and effective killing

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needs to have some
empathy for the animal.

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Um, it needs to be humane
needs to be quick to make

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it, you know, empathetic.

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And, and that's
the thing.

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Of course, you know,
the regulations say any

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centrefire cartridge is
suitable for big game.

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British Columbia.

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In British Columbia.

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Yeah.

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Let's keep it, uh, where,
where we're living, but

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that's not realistic.

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Like there are plenty of
those small, you know,

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22 calibre centrefire
cartridges, which are

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totally inadequate for,
you know, anything larger

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than a varmint size game.

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And then that
immediately takes away

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that effectiveness
and you know, where,

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we want a quick kill.

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We, and, and there are
certain things between,

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you know, not only
cartridge selection,

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but some to do with
bullet placement

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that can lead to that
humane quick kill.

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Right.

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There's some
understandings about

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bullet placement that
might be reflected upon

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the cartridge you choose.

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That uh, so when you're
looking at maybe using

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a lower velocity, uh,
cartridge, still a

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centrefire adequate
for the, the job, uh,

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because some of the
characteristics, the

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terminal performance,
what it does when

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it physically hits a
flesh target, what is

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what's going to do?

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So there are these
things, but again,

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uh, effective killing,
absolutely understanding

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the, uh, you know,
the need for follow-up

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shots, which has
to do with recoil.

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Like you were saying,
uh, let's take a little

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historical trip, uh, you
know, back not so long in

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our historical timeline,
there were no firearms.

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Uh, people were using
spears and arrows

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and everything else.

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And when they look back
historically on some of

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the bows that were being
used, a lot of those

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bows were about 25 to
40 pound pull weight on

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the recurve style bones
made of horn and glue

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and sinew and the like.

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And What that was, was
getting close enough

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to an animal to drive
that arrow in there

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to, to make the kill.

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There was some, uh,
other, you know, heavier

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draw weights, obviously
for the bigger game, but

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it all still relied on
getting close, you know,

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and making the shot.

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So we should never,
ever get too far

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outside of that idea.

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And when I talk
today, my opinion,

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medium to close range.

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I don't want to, uh,
there is a bit of a

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trend towards these
extreme long distance,

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you know, hunting.

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Right.

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I question the ethics
in it, I don't question

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the ethics in it.

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Uh, I think if you're
not highly skilled and

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the circumstances aren't
considered, I then there

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becomes an ethical issue
in it for me, trying

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to really reach out.

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Well, when you talk
about medium range

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and close range, just
for the listener.

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Yeah.

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Oh, hey that's a good
point, in my mind

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I completely know.

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So, um, the range is
let's, let's put the

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furthest out, we'd say
is maybe 400 yards.

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Okay.

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Now I say at 400 yards
uh, if you're looking

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at ground that doesn't
include a huge ravine

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between you and your
objective, um, so that

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you can eventually
get to the animal.

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I can easily say
that's ethical now

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when I push it to 400
yards, have I trained

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to shoot that far?

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Um, you know, is the, is
the cartridge sufficient?

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All these things have to
come into play for that.

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Realistic hunting ranges,
my own experience, I

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think are under 200.

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Most of the
shots I've made.

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And in fact, a
remarkable number of

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those shots have been
right in that 60 to

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a hundred yard range.

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Right.

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And, uh, you know,
depends on, on the

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terrain that you're in
the habitat, the animal

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enjoys, all these things
that are there, but,

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uh, to be ethical, uh,
to try and keep it at

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200 or less is good.

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Right.

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Be prepared with
shooting sticks, rests

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all the other things
to steady that shot.

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If you're going to push
it beyond those ranges.

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Because there's a few
considerations, not

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even just including the
cartridge and the calibre

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and the performance of
at that distance if the

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animal doesn't go down
right away, trying to

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locate again afterwards.

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Totally.

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And I've watched a few,
you know, uh, shows

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where they're shooting
out to seven, 800

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yards and they're doing
it across a ravine.

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And so now an animal
that's wounded at that

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kind of distance, the
time it's going to

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take for you to get to
where the animal was

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actually hit and then
commence to follow a

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blood trail from there.

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That's the part that
I really, you know,

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that circle doesn't
square for me.

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Yeah.

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Some animals are going
to leave more of a

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blood trail than others.

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If they got heavy.

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Some cartridges are
going to leave more

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of a blood trail.

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Right.

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And how that bullet
expands within the

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animal, it may not exit.

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And you know, so it's
just,it's out there.

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Well, this is exciting.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Well let's try and keep
this at, the target

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audience here is if
you're a, you know,

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someone who's in the
first couple of years of

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hunting or looking to get
out there and you haven't

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really made the decision
what cartridge you should

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be starting out with.

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We want to address that,
or maybe been into this

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for four or five years
and you want to branch

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out a little bit and
maybe look at, you know,

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adding a lever action
rifle and, you know,

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large bore to that and
see, you know, some

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of the applications.

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So we can try and cover
that as we go through.

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Did you want to
first talk about

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how animals die.

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So we can kind of
dispel a couple of those

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things before we get
into, or do you want

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to get into that after?

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And one of the things,
you know, what does

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a bullet actually do?

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Okay.

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You know, and, and how,
how do you kill it?

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So the bullet does
a couple things.

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It makes direct contact
with elements of the

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central nervous system
in the animal, the brain,

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the spinal column, um,
and so on, or it makes

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direct contact with
organs uh, major blood

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vessels and so on.

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So in the direct contact
of the bullet, in the

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flesh of the animal,
there's a wound channel

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going to be created.

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Now the diameter or
calibre of the bullet,

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you know, at even a
relatively low velocity

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that permanent wound
channel, the destruction

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of tissue or meat,
uh, will be roughly,

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slightly larger than
the bullet itself, that

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permanent wound channel.

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But as we now add
velocity to that impact,

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okay, we start to take a
transference of kinetic

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energy to the animal,
and then we start looking

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at shock waves going
through the animal.

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And those shock waves
can now extend the way

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the bullet kills in,
in some other fashion.

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So we look at
hydraulic shock and

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hydrostatic shock.

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Right.

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And often those are
interchanged incorrectly.

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Hydraulic shock when the
bullet hits the flesh

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and starts to move the
fluid particles faster

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uh, in that flesh, you
create hydraulic shock.

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So this will create
movement of that flesh.

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It will, not create
a permanent hole, but

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what it will do is
it will create a bit

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of a temporary wound
channel that is larger

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than that permanent
hole by direct contact.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So if we think in terms
of, if you have the

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experience of where
you've seen a bullet hole

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in an animal, that's kind
of that jellied bit of

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tissue that's around the
bullet hole, that you

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know, was part of that,
that temporary wound

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cavity that was created
through hydraulic shock.

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So that's just the
destruction of tissue

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around the permanent
wound channel.

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Hydrostatic shock now
is where we take that

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same shockwave, but it
delivers through the

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tissue of the animal
to where it interrupts,

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you know nerves, central
nervous system and so on.

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One of the interesting
concepts of hydrostatic

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shock, when you talk
about killing is, is

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that that knock down
or, or, you know, uh,

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immediate, uh, instant
collapse that we might

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see in an animal.

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Uh, and every hunter
who's got a bit of

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experience can talk about
that one time where they

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just, the animal just
dropped, like it had

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been poleaxed and that's
really a good example of

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that instant collapse.

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And that typically has
been from some form

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of interruption of the
central nervous system,

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a shot through the spine
shot through the neck,

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um, brain shot, you
know, or a headshot.

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Those can almost in
every case caused

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that instant collapse.

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And that's just
like a light switch

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being shut off.

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Correct.

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But instant collapse can
also happen when we've

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hit in certain areas of
the body where there's,

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you know, ma major nerve
clusters and so on, which

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can also cause that,
but then it can turn

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around with that instant
collapse and the animal

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returns to its feet
and starts to move off.

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So we still need to
consider bullet placement

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into areas of the animal,
lungs, heart, and so

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on that will, uh, bring
on a rapid or quick

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death, uh, and, and,
and, you know, allow us

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to get to the animal.

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Correct.

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So I've, I've always
looked at that and

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we've got CNS, central
nervous system, brain,

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spinal column, or as
you're saying through

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hydrostatic shock
interrupting the

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central nervous system,
and that's one way

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that's the off switch.

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The second way would
be through massive

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cardiopulmonary
decompression through

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hypovolemic shock.

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And that's basically the
pressure in the creature

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drops to a point where
it can no longer transfer

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oxygen to its brain
and it's good night.

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So the fastest way to
introduce that is either

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through multiple holes,
like draining a bucket

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of water or through
proper shot placement

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into heart and lungs.

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And then the drain is
within the animal itself.

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Right.

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It doesn't have
to drain out.

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So in the old days when
they were shooting,

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you know, musket balls,
muzzle loading, a big

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diameter ball that
punched a hole in,

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punched a hole out,
you know, without

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particularly high
velocity to create

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that hydrostatic shock.

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Uh, the bigger, the,
the width of the day of

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the calibre, you know,
the, the more efficient

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it was, to a point.

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And those were non
expanding bullets right.

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We got to understand
that those, those lead

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round balls, you know,
they would deflect,

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they would, uh, yaw
in the animal, which

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would create a larger
permanent wound cavity.

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Uh, the other side to
it was eventually they

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went from round balls
to conical bullets,

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again, not intended to
expand, but certainly

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capable of tumbling, uh,
going into yaw, which

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would then take the
round diametre of the

00:16:29.385 --> 00:16:31.485
bullet and then turn it
broadside, which would

00:16:31.485 --> 00:16:33.715
create a bigger wound
and so on and so forth.

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Yaw's not great for
accuracy, but it's great

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when it hits an animal.

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Right.

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And if the bullet travels
accurately and then

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begins yaw once it enters
and without getting in

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too much of the subject,
that's a military, you

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know, uh, desirability,
particularly in a

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full metal jacket type
of bullet as well.

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So that, that's an
interesting one too.

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So we we've had people
talking about full metal

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jacket and the different
theories on that.

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So originally we had
smooth bores and we're

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throwing different
projectiles down,

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different materials
down, and someone said,

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hey, there's lead, it's
cheap, it's ductal,

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it expands on impact.

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It's got great sectional
density, which I'm sure

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you're going to talk
about in some detail.

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A little bit.

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A little bit and it's
just not super accurate.

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And then they
decided I know what

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we're going to do.

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Let's spin it.

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Let's spin it like we
spin a football when

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we throw it and it
will eliminate pitch,

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eliminate yaw on the
inherent obstacles of

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an object in flight.

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And they did that by
introducing rifling

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and that rifling worked
awesome until they came

00:17:40.754 --> 00:17:44.895
up with some heavier duty
powders, some smokeless

00:17:44.895 --> 00:17:46.935
powders, and they found
that they're shoving

00:17:46.935 --> 00:17:50.264
that projectile down the
bore so fast and so hard

00:17:50.264 --> 00:17:52.695
that it was stripping
past the rifling, that

00:17:52.695 --> 00:17:56.054
soft lead and couldn't
engage and some bright

00:17:56.054 --> 00:18:00.075
individual said, well,
why don't we keep all

00:18:00.075 --> 00:18:03.435
those great properties
of lead, but put a harder

00:18:03.435 --> 00:18:04.905
metal jacket around it.

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And that's when they
came up with these full

00:18:07.695 --> 00:18:08.865
metal jacket cartridges.

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And from my research
that I've done full

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metal jacket, it's
great, doesn't expand

00:18:14.955 --> 00:18:16.034
as well as you'd want.

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And when we talk about
the military side, just

00:18:20.325 --> 00:18:22.860
as a bit of an aside,
there is a factory

00:18:22.860 --> 00:18:26.610
outside of, I think it
was Dum Dum India, and

00:18:26.730 --> 00:18:31.950
they decided to basically
expose the tip so that

00:18:31.950 --> 00:18:34.350
we no longer had a full
metallic jacket, usually

00:18:34.350 --> 00:18:36.810
copper is sometimes
steel or nickel that

00:18:36.810 --> 00:18:37.680
went around the bullet.

00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.020
But we have now an
exposed tip, so to expand

00:18:40.020 --> 00:18:41.190
more and do more damage.

00:18:41.190 --> 00:18:43.230
And if anyone ever
watched Joe Peshy and

00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:45.150
lethal weapon talking
about getting shot

00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:47.280
in the hand with a
dum dum round, right,

00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:49.440
that's where that,
that term came from.

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But for the military
side, they figured out

00:18:51.540 --> 00:18:57.210
just was designed to do
more damage than a full

00:18:57.210 --> 00:18:58.320
metal jacket cartridge.

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And it was a Hague
convention that said.

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Yeah, you needed to
send people home and

00:19:03.500 --> 00:19:06.180
in, in, uh, you know,
uh, function, more

00:19:06.230 --> 00:19:06.830
functional state.

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I think they were still
reeling from the civil

00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:12.410
war where, because the
lead, instead of the,

00:19:12.410 --> 00:19:15.800
you know, of preceding
times lead round ball,

00:19:15.800 --> 00:19:19.360
they were again, you
know, large 75 calibre

00:19:19.379 --> 00:19:22.350
in some case, you know,
conical led bullets

00:19:22.350 --> 00:19:24.570
400, 500 grain bullets.

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And just, you know, even
traveling at seven or

00:19:27.689 --> 00:19:30.179
800 feet per second,
that would take somebody

00:19:30.179 --> 00:19:32.389
in the elbow and just
tear the arm off.

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Right.

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The transference of
energy of that massive

00:19:35.939 --> 00:19:39.540
amount of lead would
create huge damage

00:19:39.540 --> 00:19:40.439
to the extremities.

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Whereas actually even
taking one of those in

00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:45.750
the body, you'd probably
still might get a through

00:19:45.750 --> 00:19:48.389
and through penetration,
certainly leak a lot

00:19:48.389 --> 00:19:52.050
of blood, but probably
infection was going to

00:19:52.050 --> 00:19:53.100
get you in those days.

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Right.

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Right.

00:19:54.060 --> 00:19:57.310
So they kind of, towards
the end of the 1800's

00:19:57.330 --> 00:20:00.300
with the conical bullets
sort of found around 45

00:20:00.300 --> 00:20:01.560
calibre was the optimum.

00:20:02.774 --> 00:20:06.314
And playing around again
with it was, it was

00:20:06.314 --> 00:20:10.185
that diametre with a
rounded nose was giving

00:20:10.185 --> 00:20:12.885
you that hammer like
impact the penetration

00:20:12.885 --> 00:20:13.544
that you wanted.

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Right.

00:20:14.084 --> 00:20:16.455
Again, all lead non
expanding bullets that

00:20:16.455 --> 00:20:18.824
would maybe turn into
y'all a little bit.

00:20:19.064 --> 00:20:20.834
Maybe they'd hit a bone,
they get a little bit

00:20:20.834 --> 00:20:23.564
larger, but they were
giving an effective

00:20:23.594 --> 00:20:25.905
permanent wound channel
with penetration.

00:20:26.475 --> 00:20:29.175
And that was happening
at velocities, you

00:20:29.175 --> 00:20:30.705
know, that were
compatible with lead.

00:20:30.915 --> 00:20:32.864
As you say, you move
into full metal jacket.

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A lot of what they did
in the military was

00:20:34.395 --> 00:20:38.235
they played with those,
um, pointed bullets and

00:20:38.235 --> 00:20:39.675
hey, let's just call
them pointed bullets.

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Cause nothing was
pointed until they

00:20:41.024 --> 00:20:41.864
started to do that.

00:20:41.895 --> 00:20:42.165
Right.

00:20:42.614 --> 00:20:44.864
Putting things like
aluminum and everything

00:20:44.864 --> 00:20:48.195
forward into the point
to change the centre of

00:20:48.195 --> 00:20:51.014
gravity of the bullets
so that when it did

00:20:51.014 --> 00:20:52.784
penetrate, it tumbled.

00:20:52.844 --> 00:20:53.235
Right.

00:20:53.774 --> 00:20:56.745
So instead of relying on
a bullet that expanded.

00:20:58.020 --> 00:21:00.240
It was tumbling with
it and, you know,

00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.630
stoner's famous, you
know, 556 cartridge.

00:21:03.990 --> 00:21:05.670
Uh, you know, they
talked about the

00:21:05.670 --> 00:21:09.200
tumbling bullets in
Vietnam and, and, and

00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:12.110
one of the interesting
thing is that 55 grain

00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:15.630
hard point bullet, uh,
has the tendency on,

00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:18.270
on ballistics is when
it penetrates, it goes

00:21:18.270 --> 00:21:21.030
into yaw, the stress
becomes too great on the

00:21:21.030 --> 00:21:23.790
cannelure and the bullet
then breaks into pieces.

00:21:24.650 --> 00:21:26.690
And just so the listeners
know when we're talking

00:21:26.690 --> 00:21:30.320
about yaw, we're talking
about essentially, if

00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:32.150
you have a stabilized
bullet in flight

00:21:32.570 --> 00:21:33.920
spinning like a football.

00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:37.470
It doesn't have yaw
effecting, if that

00:21:37.470 --> 00:21:39.480
football's nose starts
making a bit of a

00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:41.340
circle and kind of
wobbling around that,

00:21:41.340 --> 00:21:42.370
that's essentially yaw.

00:21:42.409 --> 00:21:44.810
Yeah, or skidding, you
know, a skidding car,

00:21:44.810 --> 00:21:46.040
a car that no longer.

00:21:46.180 --> 00:21:46.640
That's a good one.

00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:48.920
Travels in a straight
line goes into yaw when

00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.070
you see those tire marks
where the back tire comes

00:21:52.070 --> 00:21:55.050
out off the track of the
front wheels, that's yaw,

00:21:55.070 --> 00:21:56.750
going out of alignment.

00:21:56.780 --> 00:21:59.180
And then you brought up
another term cannelure.

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Cannelure, the shoulder,
the rounded P well,

00:22:02.360 --> 00:22:04.130
it's not truly the
shoulder from the

00:22:04.130 --> 00:22:05.600
point to where it.

00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:06.510
The ogive.

00:22:06.510 --> 00:22:08.320
The ogive comes
into the body so.

00:22:08.320 --> 00:22:10.520
The ogive is that kind
of, we'll have all of

00:22:10.520 --> 00:22:11.390
these on the website.

00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:14.420
On the football where
the, in Canadian football

00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:16.730
where the white line is.

00:22:16.790 --> 00:22:17.030
Yeah.

00:22:17.060 --> 00:22:18.000
That's the cannelure.

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.220
There you go.

00:22:18.270 --> 00:22:20.510
How does that sound from
this point to the fat

00:22:20.510 --> 00:22:21.970
part of the football?

00:22:21.980 --> 00:22:22.520
All right.

00:22:23.389 --> 00:22:24.320
The rim around.

00:22:24.560 --> 00:22:27.020
So now we get into this
jacketed bullet thing and

00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:29.240
they start playing with
it for a hunting round.

00:22:29.270 --> 00:22:31.550
And this is where things
change exponentially.

00:22:31.969 --> 00:22:34.580
Up to that point, we're
relying on big diameter

00:22:34.909 --> 00:22:36.320
penetrating efficiently.

00:22:36.860 --> 00:22:38.909
Well, what happens is
when you get a pointed

00:22:38.929 --> 00:22:42.189
bullet, it penetrates in
a much straighter line.

00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:45.769
So instead of relying on
the energy transference

00:22:45.790 --> 00:22:47.679
to the big diameter,
now we're heading

00:22:47.679 --> 00:22:50.770
for the vitals and at
different angles, we can

00:22:50.770 --> 00:22:51.969
become more effective.

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.790
So by changing the
centre of gravity,

00:22:55.629 --> 00:22:58.780
when that bullet can
now become more stable

00:22:58.780 --> 00:23:03.310
in flight, but now the
tip is exposed either

00:23:03.310 --> 00:23:05.500
in a hollow point or a
little bit of lead at

00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:09.340
the end there, as that
now penetrates, the

00:23:09.340 --> 00:23:12.729
hydraulic forces of the
flesh push back against

00:23:12.729 --> 00:23:15.399
it and the shoulder
of the bullet changes,

00:23:15.399 --> 00:23:18.570
which means its centre
of gravity comes back.

00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:21.655
You know, we get
like that classic

00:23:21.655 --> 00:23:24.355
mushroom shape to
the bullet changes.

00:23:24.385 --> 00:23:26.695
So that even though it
was a smaller diameter

00:23:26.695 --> 00:23:28.495
when it went in, it
increases, but it

00:23:28.495 --> 00:23:31.485
maintains a straighter
trajectory inside of the

00:23:31.485 --> 00:23:35.755
animal, which leads us
to the ability to add a

00:23:35.755 --> 00:23:39.955
bad angle on an animal,
be able to rely more on

00:23:39.955 --> 00:23:42.775
the pointed bullets and
then bullets that have a

00:23:42.775 --> 00:23:46.885
boat tail on them that,
uh, will again move

00:23:46.885 --> 00:23:48.565
the centre of gravity
forward on the ball.

00:23:48.635 --> 00:23:50.695
You get longer
range accuracy.

00:23:51.055 --> 00:23:52.115
So we think of it.

00:23:52.115 --> 00:23:54.055
We're probably going
above where we want to

00:23:54.055 --> 00:23:55.395
be here, maybe a bit.

00:23:55.425 --> 00:23:57.135
If we just think
about it like a marker

00:23:57.135 --> 00:23:58.215
and a pencil, right?

00:23:58.215 --> 00:24:00.105
So the pencil, you
sharpen it up and it's

00:24:00.105 --> 00:24:02.655
got nice and pointy
sorta like your, they

00:24:02.655 --> 00:24:04.575
call it a pointed or
spitzer bullet, right?

00:24:04.575 --> 00:24:04.935
Yes.

00:24:05.175 --> 00:24:10.155
And that will penetrate
with greater ease

00:24:10.575 --> 00:24:13.524
then would the blunt
marker, but they

00:24:13.545 --> 00:24:15.975
would impact energy
in a different way.

00:24:17.055 --> 00:24:19.485
And then we got to
factor in something

00:24:19.485 --> 00:24:21.375
else, the speed that
the bullet is traveling.

00:24:21.375 --> 00:24:21.905
So speed and

00:24:21.905 --> 00:24:22.055
Massive.

00:24:22.055 --> 00:24:23.535
Weight, speed, and
weight are there.

00:24:24.165 --> 00:24:29.065
So as speed goes down
the bill, you know, the,

00:24:29.065 --> 00:24:32.745
the, the velocity as it
drops, the more efficient

00:24:32.775 --> 00:24:35.895
a flatter or rounder
nose bullet can become.

00:24:38.805 --> 00:24:41.625
Sometimes with
expanding bullets, they

00:24:41.655 --> 00:24:45.145
also lose, um, their
ability to expand.

00:24:45.795 --> 00:24:47.445
Depending on the
structure of the

00:24:47.445 --> 00:24:49.235
bullet and how,
you know, toughen

00:24:49.235 --> 00:24:49.965
metal you're using.

00:24:50.145 --> 00:24:53.115
But I, I just want
to the, we went back

00:24:53.115 --> 00:24:57.285
to where we talked
about the, um, uh,

00:24:58.794 --> 00:25:00.264
hydrostatic shock.

00:25:00.294 --> 00:25:00.564
Right.

00:25:00.595 --> 00:25:03.655
Now, hydrostatic
shock needs the right

00:25:03.655 --> 00:25:08.514
combination of velocity
and bullet weight.

00:25:08.574 --> 00:25:08.875
Right.

00:25:08.935 --> 00:25:09.534
Okay.

00:25:10.105 --> 00:25:14.725
What happens is a bullet,
as it gets further out

00:25:14.725 --> 00:25:17.095
there, and that's what we
got to talk about ranges.

00:25:17.455 --> 00:25:20.725
Starts to lose velocity
and then its ability then

00:25:20.725 --> 00:25:23.034
to deliver hydrostatic
shock is gone.

00:25:24.534 --> 00:25:27.865
The larger the diameter,
in many cases, the

00:25:27.865 --> 00:25:30.685
more hydrostatic
shock can be created

00:25:30.685 --> 00:25:32.095
at lower velocities.

00:25:32.235 --> 00:25:32.745
There you go.

00:25:32.804 --> 00:25:35.054
Kind of like punching
the water with a

00:25:35.054 --> 00:25:37.185
fist or sticking your
finger into the water.

00:25:37.245 --> 00:25:38.534
You're going to
create different

00:25:38.534 --> 00:25:39.465
hydrostatic shock.

00:25:39.495 --> 00:25:39.824
Correct.

00:25:41.070 --> 00:25:43.469
The 30-06 cartridge,
which everybody's

00:25:43.469 --> 00:25:44.129
familiar with.

00:25:44.969 --> 00:25:49.949
My personal favorite is
the 35 Whelen, which is,

00:25:49.979 --> 00:25:52.500
was created initially
as a Wildcat cartridge,

00:25:52.530 --> 00:25:56.340
they took the 30-06,
hardly changed a thing,

00:25:56.820 --> 00:26:00.600
opened up to take 358
calibre bullet instead

00:26:00.600 --> 00:26:02.100
of a 30 calibre bullet.

00:26:02.820 --> 00:26:04.770
And every says, well, why
do you want to do that?

00:26:04.800 --> 00:26:08.370
Well, of course the
30-06 heavy bullet for

00:26:08.370 --> 00:26:11.580
instance, would be 180
grain Spitzer bullet.

00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:15.330
And in the case of the
35 Whelen, how about

00:26:15.330 --> 00:26:16.760
a 250 grain blow?

00:26:16.760 --> 00:26:19.139
So first of all, you
have that heavy bullet,

00:26:19.590 --> 00:26:21.929
but what really matters
more than anything

00:26:22.050 --> 00:26:23.909
is the diameter
of those bullets.

00:26:25.320 --> 00:26:27.989
They both launched
from the rifle at

00:26:27.989 --> 00:26:30.959
about 2,500 feet per
second, give or take.

00:26:31.570 --> 00:26:32.919
Couple of hundred
feet per second.

00:26:33.639 --> 00:26:37.000
So as the bullets get
out there and they

00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.360
start to drop into that
neighborhood of maybe

00:26:40.360 --> 00:26:46.719
2200 feet per second,
the 30-06 will lose the

00:26:46.719 --> 00:26:49.419
hydrostatic shock that
it would have retained

00:26:49.419 --> 00:26:51.879
at closer ranges and
higher velocities.

00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.720
Whereas the 35
calibre 358 calibre

00:26:56.439 --> 00:26:58.419
is still capable of
hydrostatic shock.

00:27:00.149 --> 00:27:03.600
And with almost identical
recoil between the

00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:06.000
two rifles, I feel no
difference between my

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.860
35 Whelen and a 30-06.

00:27:07.979 --> 00:27:10.260
Some people do, but
you know, it is a

00:27:10.260 --> 00:27:15.570
consideration and it
seems to be, uh, for

00:27:15.570 --> 00:27:20.870
hydrostatic shock
bullets from 243 calibre

00:27:20.870 --> 00:27:25.350
to 338, like to be
going more than 2,600

00:27:25.350 --> 00:27:27.719
feet per second, to
do that transference.

00:27:29.670 --> 00:27:33.180
If you're going to rely
on hydrostatic shock and

00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:34.710
you should never have
to rely on it, cause

00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:37.950
bullet placement into,
you know, the heart and

00:27:37.950 --> 00:27:40.350
lungs is always most
important, but if you're

00:27:40.350 --> 00:27:43.650
gonna, you know, you want
everything going for ya.

00:27:44.550 --> 00:27:46.980
High velocity with
those size bullets.

00:27:47.010 --> 00:27:47.280
Right.

00:27:47.970 --> 00:27:51.360
If you're going to get
into closer ranges,

00:27:51.390 --> 00:27:54.200
lower velocity, than
you gotta go for width

00:27:54.210 --> 00:27:59.420
of calibre, 35 to 45
calibre so there's.

00:27:59.420 --> 00:28:00.480
For the
hydrostatic shock.

00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:01.970
At lower velocity.

00:28:01.970 --> 00:28:02.430
At lower velocity.

00:28:02.430 --> 00:28:03.020
At lower speed.

00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:06.500
Takes away range.

00:28:07.770 --> 00:28:11.610
In a generality, I need
to buy a hunting rifle

00:28:11.610 --> 00:28:13.410
that's going to cover me
for what I'm going to do.

00:28:13.410 --> 00:28:16.350
So let's just keep
everything at that

00:28:16.350 --> 00:28:20.310
200 yard range and
the common velocity.

00:28:20.310 --> 00:28:24.120
So this, we start looking
at the 270 Winchester,

00:28:24.210 --> 00:28:30.450
280 Remington, 30-06, 308
Winchester, all of those,

00:28:30.600 --> 00:28:35.430
um, in factory loadings
by him across the counter

00:28:35.430 --> 00:28:37.950
at your favorite, you
know, ammunition, retail

00:28:37.950 --> 00:28:41.610
source, uh, can be
got in a combination

00:28:41.610 --> 00:28:43.920
of bullet, weight and
sufficient velocities.

00:28:44.250 --> 00:28:46.200
So that all the way
out to 200 yards

00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:49.590
hydrostatic shock is
still on your side, along

00:28:49.590 --> 00:28:52.270
with penetration and
expansion of the bullets.

00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.560
A little bit of research
by looking at, you

00:28:57.560 --> 00:28:59.390
know, what brand name
you want to pick.

00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:04.670
But I mean, you know,
the Hornady, Nosler,

00:29:04.695 --> 00:29:07.425
all make ultra high
quality bullets.

00:29:07.764 --> 00:29:08.034
Mmm.

00:29:08.555 --> 00:29:11.795
Sometimes we're seeing,
you know, um, different

00:29:11.795 --> 00:29:14.615
ammunition companies
buying these known

00:29:14.645 --> 00:29:17.225
named bullets and
loading them into their

00:29:17.225 --> 00:29:18.605
premium ammunition.

00:29:19.445 --> 00:29:22.355
It has been my experience
that if you look and

00:29:22.355 --> 00:29:25.115
there's a, you know,
a white box or a blue

00:29:25.115 --> 00:29:27.965
box, that's 10 bucks
cheaper than all the

00:29:27.965 --> 00:29:32.105
other ammo, there's
a reason for that.

00:29:32.495 --> 00:29:36.305
And usually what happens
is, is the construction

00:29:36.305 --> 00:29:38.465
of the bullet is going
to be disappointing

00:29:38.855 --> 00:29:41.885
at ranges beyond 50
yards, they'll all kill

00:29:41.885 --> 00:29:44.525
easily and quickly at
50 yards well-placed.

00:29:45.035 --> 00:29:47.675
But when you start
getting into strange

00:29:47.735 --> 00:29:49.745
angles, non-typical
angles something

00:29:49.745 --> 00:29:52.445
other than a broadside
shot, those bullets

00:29:52.445 --> 00:29:53.705
tend to let you down.

00:29:54.035 --> 00:29:55.925
And it doesn't matter
what calibre they're in.

00:29:56.825 --> 00:29:59.075
They shed jackets,
they break apart,

00:29:59.105 --> 00:30:01.435
they don't penetrate
deeply enough and

00:30:01.435 --> 00:30:02.415
it's a disappointment.

00:30:04.245 --> 00:30:09.125
There is all sorts of
theories about, well,

00:30:09.185 --> 00:30:11.705
this bullet is really
good all the way out

00:30:11.705 --> 00:30:14.675
to 200 yards and then
it falls off and that's

00:30:14.675 --> 00:30:17.105
pretty much, you know,
the normal thing.

00:30:17.105 --> 00:30:18.935
But then there's other
bullets where people

00:30:18.935 --> 00:30:22.475
talk about them at
400 yards, the bullet

00:30:22.475 --> 00:30:25.564
performs famously, but
inside of that, over

00:30:25.564 --> 00:30:29.824
penetration, no expansion
and so on and so forth.

00:30:29.855 --> 00:30:33.570
And it, it
behooves, behooves

00:30:33.570 --> 00:30:34.300
I like that word.

00:30:34.300 --> 00:30:34.640
Yes, yes.

00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.170
You know, it will pay off
in spades for you to do

00:30:37.170 --> 00:30:40.500
a little bit of research
and put together.

00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:45.870
But the optimum is, uh, a
well-constructed bullet,

00:30:46.170 --> 00:30:49.140
like an A-MAX bullet
from, you know, Hornady,

00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:52.230
uh, that will take
you out there to those

00:30:52.230 --> 00:30:54.300
distances ballistically.

00:30:54.510 --> 00:30:57.240
Uh, it has a good
ballistic coefficient.

00:30:57.600 --> 00:31:00.420
Uh, it will fly well,
it won't go into yaw and

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:04.380
it will expand when it
hits at 50 or it hits

00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:06.330
it 250 or 300 yards.

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.510
So you're introducing
some new terms like

00:31:08.510 --> 00:31:10.790
ballistic coefficient
and I think maybe we

00:31:10.790 --> 00:31:13.070
just touch on that after,
but maybe I'll just do

00:31:13.070 --> 00:31:18.074
a quick summarization of
will co if, how my mind

00:31:18.074 --> 00:31:19.725
works, I usually like
to break things down

00:31:19.725 --> 00:31:21.044
into small parts, right.

00:31:21.044 --> 00:31:23.264
And then I'll take that
one small part and then

00:31:23.264 --> 00:31:24.465
I can branch off after.

00:31:24.465 --> 00:31:27.014
So if we talk
about bullet, all

00:31:27.014 --> 00:31:28.395
right, so we're not
even talking about

00:31:28.425 --> 00:31:29.415
calibre or anything.

00:31:29.415 --> 00:31:31.574
We're just talking about
the bullet construction

00:31:31.574 --> 00:31:33.405
and something a hunter
would want to know about

00:31:33.405 --> 00:31:36.975
would be, how is that
bullet constructed?

00:31:37.155 --> 00:31:39.284
So you already talked
about a jacket coming

00:31:39.284 --> 00:31:41.324
off, and so that'd be
the full metal jacket

00:31:41.324 --> 00:31:43.754
on some of your, the
traditional, you've got

00:31:43.784 --> 00:31:47.205
an extruded metal with
lead inside it, uh, when

00:31:47.205 --> 00:31:50.655
it hits an object, if
it falls apart inside

00:31:50.655 --> 00:31:52.605
the animal, you're,
that energy that it

00:31:52.605 --> 00:31:55.185
would be transferring is
going to be a lot less.

00:31:55.185 --> 00:31:56.534
You're gonna have
fragmentation going

00:31:56.534 --> 00:31:58.004
through, which could
work in your advantage.

00:31:58.034 --> 00:32:01.304
But if you really want
to get that hydrostatic

00:32:01.304 --> 00:32:02.595
shock that you're
talking about, and that

00:32:02.595 --> 00:32:04.185
penetration, you want
to hold it together.

00:32:04.185 --> 00:32:08.175
So bullet construction,
we've got partitioned

00:32:08.175 --> 00:32:11.355
bullets where they
had the bottom part of

00:32:11.355 --> 00:32:12.225
the bullet that would.

00:32:12.665 --> 00:32:13.755
Remain solid.

00:32:13.755 --> 00:32:14.075
Right.

00:32:14.075 --> 00:32:15.875
Or an A-frame
style bullet.

00:32:15.965 --> 00:32:16.595
Or bonded.

00:32:16.655 --> 00:32:17.105
Bonded.

00:32:17.105 --> 00:32:18.845
And that that's
the, so the original

00:32:18.845 --> 00:32:21.225
jacketed bullet was
a cup and core model.

00:32:21.255 --> 00:32:21.845
Cup and core.

00:32:22.175 --> 00:32:22.515
Okay.

00:32:22.515 --> 00:32:25.655
So they made a cup out of
thin jacketing material.

00:32:25.895 --> 00:32:28.715
Molten lead got poured
in there, bit a molten

00:32:28.715 --> 00:32:30.185
lead appeared at the tip.

00:32:31.274 --> 00:32:34.425
The hydraulics of
penetration would push

00:32:34.425 --> 00:32:35.544
against that lead tip.

00:32:35.885 --> 00:32:37.544
The copper would
open up a bit.

00:32:37.544 --> 00:32:39.855
The lead would mushroom
and at too much of a

00:32:39.855 --> 00:32:42.495
velocity, it would just
shed that copper thin

00:32:42.495 --> 00:32:45.855
copper jacket, somewhere
on the original entry.

00:32:45.855 --> 00:32:49.064
And then the led blob
now, which is what

00:32:49.064 --> 00:32:50.955
it would amount to,
would continue on

00:32:50.955 --> 00:32:52.754
its penetrative path.

00:32:53.235 --> 00:32:55.455
Uh, so then the idea
through all sorts of

00:32:55.455 --> 00:32:57.615
proprietary methods,
they're bonding the

00:32:57.615 --> 00:33:00.105
jacket and the lead
together, they're

00:33:00.105 --> 00:33:02.625
changing the lead,
you know, the antimony

00:33:02.625 --> 00:33:04.635
content of the lead
so that it bonds

00:33:04.635 --> 00:33:06.784
better, all sorts of.

00:33:06.784 --> 00:33:09.155
Ways to hold it together,
the partition or a

00:33:09.155 --> 00:33:10.264
monolithic bullet.

00:33:10.865 --> 00:33:11.195
Yeah.

00:33:11.195 --> 00:33:14.375
Now that's the thing
like, you know, no led

00:33:14.375 --> 00:33:17.044
a tall, we're talking
copper, copper alloy

00:33:17.314 --> 00:33:20.764
combinations now,
uh, that have some

00:33:20.764 --> 00:33:25.294
huge benefit, uh, the
barns and, and, uh,

00:33:25.534 --> 00:33:27.485
the GMX bullets from
Hornady where they.

00:33:28.075 --> 00:33:31.014
What they really have is
the ability to penetrate

00:33:31.014 --> 00:33:32.274
at crazy angles.

00:33:33.235 --> 00:33:37.350
And crazy angles,
you know, you, we all

00:33:37.350 --> 00:33:39.540
like to look at the
target downrange, the

00:33:39.540 --> 00:33:41.700
piece of paper, the
one dimensional piece

00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.070
of paper that has
that animal standing

00:33:44.070 --> 00:33:47.669
broadside, looking at
you and truth be known,

00:33:47.909 --> 00:33:50.460
a properly placed shot
from virtually any

00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.580
centrefire cartridge, at
those kinds of angles,

00:33:54.110 --> 00:33:55.200
will get to the heart.

00:33:56.210 --> 00:33:58.760
It just has to get maybe
through a rib that might

00:33:58.760 --> 00:34:01.340
be the most in, and if
you're lucky, it goes

00:34:01.340 --> 00:34:03.139
between the ribs, but
it penetrates in there.

00:34:03.139 --> 00:34:05.840
And that's why, yeah
you could kill a moose

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:07.580
with a 243 Winchester.

00:34:08.630 --> 00:34:11.929
But now as soon as that
moose turns, you know,

00:34:11.989 --> 00:34:15.350
away from you, so instead
of the broad side, now

00:34:15.350 --> 00:34:18.889
you're kind of looking
at a three quarter angle,

00:34:18.949 --> 00:34:21.380
you know, to try and get
in penetration in the

00:34:21.380 --> 00:34:22.310
line that it follows.

00:34:22.310 --> 00:34:26.239
And those all copper or
monolith type bullets

00:34:26.529 --> 00:34:27.980
are the answer to them.

00:34:28.029 --> 00:34:31.000
You know, the, uh, to
that penetration effect.

00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:32.320
There's another name
that they're giving

00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.880
them to the homogeneous.

00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:35.389
Yes.

00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:35.710
Yes.

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:37.870
Homogeneous, homogeneous.

00:34:37.870 --> 00:34:38.279
Homogeneous.

00:34:38.359 --> 00:34:39.049
That same throughout.

00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:39.420
Yeah.

00:34:40.069 --> 00:34:45.960
And, and so, again, the
change with those is

00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.870
typically if you were
shooting a particular

00:34:48.870 --> 00:34:51.510
weight of bullet for
the calibre of the

00:34:51.510 --> 00:34:54.090
cartridge that you're
firing, when you get into

00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:57.030
these monoliths bullets,
because there's no jacket

00:34:57.030 --> 00:35:01.590
to separate or shed away
yet they're engineered

00:35:01.590 --> 00:35:04.080
to expand, often we
see is to go lighter.

00:35:04.170 --> 00:35:06.960
So if you're shooting
a 180 grain, 30 caliper

00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:11.280
go to a 165 grain,
you get a very similar

00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:14.790
performance and, you
know, the increase in

00:35:14.790 --> 00:35:16.500
velocity to, to help.

00:35:16.530 --> 00:35:19.800
I mean, there, the bad
angle thing is there.

00:35:21.180 --> 00:35:25.200
Sometimes they can
transfer more energy

00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:28.170
than a traditional
jacketed lead bullet.

00:35:28.620 --> 00:35:31.460
You know, so at closer
ranges sometimes the,

00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.160
you know, the, the
hydrostatic shock can

00:35:35.160 --> 00:35:36.990
cause a little bit of
gut rupture or other

00:35:36.990 --> 00:35:37.750
things like that.

00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:41.660
Well what those, those
monolithic bullets not

00:35:41.660 --> 00:35:44.270
having lead in them, not
having that sectional

00:35:44.270 --> 00:35:47.300
density or that, that
weight behind it in

00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:49.160
order to get more weight
into them, they can't

00:35:49.160 --> 00:35:51.650
make them larger in
diameter because the

00:35:51.650 --> 00:35:52.650
calibre is a calibre.

00:35:52.700 --> 00:35:54.020
They got to make
them longer.

00:35:54.110 --> 00:35:54.470
Right.

00:35:54.500 --> 00:35:56.120
And when they make
them longer, they were

00:35:56.120 --> 00:35:57.830
finding a couple of
problems with them.

00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.680
So they're finding
that you had more

00:36:00.680 --> 00:36:03.500
bearing surface on the
bore as it went down.

00:36:03.560 --> 00:36:06.680
And so you've got some
drag and you, they were

00:36:06.680 --> 00:36:08.170
more susceptible to yaw.

00:36:09.465 --> 00:36:11.325
We got some smart
people make an ammo

00:36:11.384 --> 00:36:13.185
and they've come up
with some solutions to

00:36:13.185 --> 00:36:15.705
that and they've got
little speed grooves

00:36:15.705 --> 00:36:17.505
and, um, they, they cut
grooves so they've got

00:36:17.505 --> 00:36:19.904
less bearing on a bore
as it goes through.

00:36:19.904 --> 00:36:21.545
And, and, and again,
lightening the

00:36:21.545 --> 00:36:22.745
bullet up as well.

00:36:22.835 --> 00:36:23.075
Right.

00:36:23.075 --> 00:36:25.835
You know, allows you
to introduce that spin

00:36:25.835 --> 00:36:28.174
from the rifling, you
know, more rapidly,

00:36:28.174 --> 00:36:28.955
more efficiently.

00:36:28.955 --> 00:36:31.174
There's all, you know,
the engineering that's in

00:36:31.174 --> 00:36:34.384
this it's, you know, from
the days of guys taking

00:36:34.384 --> 00:36:39.995
a, a 22 casing and then
actually forming their

00:36:39.995 --> 00:36:43.174
own jacket from that, you
know, in their garage.

00:36:43.205 --> 00:36:45.435
And a lot of guys
were, you know, the,

00:36:45.435 --> 00:36:49.055
the founding names
of Nosler and Hornady

00:36:49.055 --> 00:36:49.865
and all those guys.

00:36:50.475 --> 00:36:52.815
They were garage
experimenters, you

00:36:52.815 --> 00:36:55.515
know, but they've
since hired very,

00:36:55.515 --> 00:36:58.215
very established, uh,
knowledgeable engineers

00:36:58.215 --> 00:36:59.295
to move themselves on.

00:36:59.465 --> 00:37:02.375
So we've talked a bit
about the bullet as in,

00:37:02.405 --> 00:37:03.515
how it's made up, so.

00:37:03.515 --> 00:37:05.855
And what it does and
what we achieve, what

00:37:05.855 --> 00:37:06.815
we want to achieve.

00:37:07.025 --> 00:37:08.315
But the other things
in the bullet.

00:37:08.345 --> 00:37:10.565
So if we'd look at the
basic construction,

00:37:10.595 --> 00:37:13.055
there's going to be
weight of the bullet and

00:37:13.055 --> 00:37:14.105
why that's important.

00:37:14.105 --> 00:37:16.645
And I think you got some,
some thoughts on that.

00:37:18.065 --> 00:37:18.775
And.

00:37:18.775 --> 00:37:19.555
Diameter of the bullet.

00:37:19.830 --> 00:37:24.110
Diameter of
the bullet and.

00:37:24.110 --> 00:37:24.426
But you know, it's.

00:37:24.426 --> 00:37:24.584
And speed.

00:37:24.584 --> 00:37:25.560
And speed right,
the velocity.

00:37:25.620 --> 00:37:28.970
So all of those, how
do we work with that.

00:37:29.089 --> 00:37:31.040
Well, let's never
forget shot placement,

00:37:31.250 --> 00:37:34.009
whatever you're shooting,
you need to put it

00:37:34.009 --> 00:37:34.790
where you want it.

00:37:34.850 --> 00:37:35.210
Right.

00:37:35.750 --> 00:37:37.790
So when I talk about
bad angles, I know

00:37:37.790 --> 00:37:40.040
where I want the bullet
to go, but it's not in

00:37:40.040 --> 00:37:41.089
a traditional sense.

00:37:41.089 --> 00:37:43.400
I've got to get to the
heart and lungs, but

00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.770
I may be doing that
by going through the

00:37:45.770 --> 00:37:48.470
floating rib and the
diaphragm, or maybe,

00:37:48.740 --> 00:37:53.810
you know, risking now I
have a texas heart shot,

00:37:53.810 --> 00:37:56.089
which means the animal's
not presenting itself,

00:37:56.690 --> 00:37:59.029
anything other but square
on, on its backside.

00:37:59.029 --> 00:38:01.370
So now I'm going to have
to shoot into its ham,

00:38:01.819 --> 00:38:04.460
losing that meat, but
maybe I'll, I'll hit,

00:38:04.460 --> 00:38:06.290
uh, the, uh, artery.

00:38:06.680 --> 00:38:07.040
Okay.

00:38:07.040 --> 00:38:09.470
That's in there, the
femoral artery to try and

00:38:09.470 --> 00:38:10.430
bring the animal down.

00:38:10.430 --> 00:38:12.050
You know, there's all
these considerations.

00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:12.340
Sure.

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.884
Shot placement,
understanding where

00:38:15.884 --> 00:38:16.625
to put your shots.

00:38:16.625 --> 00:38:19.484
So sometimes you're
hedging your bet by

00:38:19.484 --> 00:38:21.524
going with these better
constructed bullets.

00:38:24.225 --> 00:38:26.745
Generally speaking,
spend good money

00:38:26.745 --> 00:38:27.765
on your ammunition.

00:38:27.825 --> 00:38:28.245
Yes.

00:38:29.355 --> 00:38:31.695
The cheaply constructed
cup and core bullet.

00:38:31.965 --> 00:38:34.275
Great for punching a hole
in the paper or ringing

00:38:34.275 --> 00:38:38.625
the gong, but um bringing
home, you know, the

00:38:38.625 --> 00:38:42.945
winter supply meat, you
know what, that meat is

00:38:42.945 --> 00:38:45.855
worth, how much to you in
the end, the ammunition

00:38:45.855 --> 00:38:48.375
should be worth, you
know, the time it takes

00:38:48.375 --> 00:38:49.005
to get the better.

00:38:49.275 --> 00:38:50.895
I mean, not everybody's
going to hand load

00:38:50.895 --> 00:38:53.085
other handloading
changes the whole thing.

00:38:53.595 --> 00:38:55.545
The perspective
is gone now, you.

00:38:55.545 --> 00:38:55.785
Sure.

00:38:55.935 --> 00:38:57.405
You pick and choose
what you want.

00:38:57.405 --> 00:38:58.965
The, you know, the
world's your oyster

00:38:58.965 --> 00:38:59.625
when you handload.

00:39:00.265 --> 00:39:02.475
Hand loading going back
to the old days was done

00:39:02.475 --> 00:39:04.755
because there was really
poor animal selection.

00:39:05.295 --> 00:39:08.355
Even in this time of,
you know, like today.

00:39:08.445 --> 00:39:10.425
Absolutely, today
there's probably less,

00:39:11.145 --> 00:39:13.605
uh, stock available to
you, it's still good.

00:39:13.835 --> 00:39:16.455
Well we have quality
ammo, that's for sure.

00:39:16.575 --> 00:39:18.225
We never, it was never
like this before.

00:39:18.225 --> 00:39:20.745
If this had been me
starting out, I probably

00:39:20.745 --> 00:39:22.255
would have never got
into hand loading.

00:39:22.305 --> 00:39:24.615
You know, we've been
just as easy to buy

00:39:24.615 --> 00:39:25.605
it off the shelf.

00:39:27.015 --> 00:39:29.835
Kind of, we need to get
back though, the general

00:39:29.835 --> 00:39:33.495
rule, a good quality
ammo, well-placed shot

00:39:33.945 --> 00:39:38.145
velocity of sufficient,
um, to create some

00:39:38.145 --> 00:39:40.395
hydrostatic shock
along with, uh, with an

00:39:40.395 --> 00:39:43.065
expanding bullet should
cover most of the big

00:39:43.095 --> 00:39:45.615
game hunting situations
in British Columbia.

00:39:45.915 --> 00:39:46.455
So.

00:39:46.515 --> 00:39:48.465
North America for
that matter, but.

00:39:48.905 --> 00:39:50.825
We talk about a couple
of things and we'll

00:39:50.825 --> 00:39:53.075
throw it up on, on
the blog as well.

00:39:53.075 --> 00:39:54.605
So people can have
a cross-reference

00:39:54.725 --> 00:39:55.655
sectional density.

00:39:56.315 --> 00:40:00.134
Sectional density is
a, when you, when you

00:40:00.134 --> 00:40:02.355
look it's, it's, it's
a numerical value

00:40:02.355 --> 00:40:04.515
assigned basically
to the penetrative

00:40:04.515 --> 00:40:05.595
effect of a bullet.

00:40:06.435 --> 00:40:09.044
So without getting into,
you know, measuring its

00:40:09.044 --> 00:40:11.745
length and its diameter
and its weight and, and

00:40:11.805 --> 00:40:14.604
squaring those, and you
know, all the stuff that.

00:40:14.705 --> 00:40:16.384
The easiest way to
really think about

00:40:16.384 --> 00:40:21.274
it is how heavy is it
compared to another

00:40:21.274 --> 00:40:22.685
cartridge made at, at
something different.

00:40:22.685 --> 00:40:24.185
Another bullet made
at as some maybe

00:40:24.185 --> 00:40:24.924
lighter material.

00:40:24.924 --> 00:40:25.154
Yeah.

00:40:25.225 --> 00:40:29.584
So sectional density
is the, uh, the ratio

00:40:29.584 --> 00:40:31.865
of an object's mass
to its cross sectional

00:40:31.865 --> 00:40:34.055
area with respect
to a given access.

00:40:34.084 --> 00:40:35.445
If that makes sense.

00:40:36.475 --> 00:40:38.945
So is it heavy?

00:40:39.285 --> 00:40:39.745
Right.

00:40:39.795 --> 00:40:41.775
Can we get something
in that diameter

00:40:41.805 --> 00:40:43.995
that's heavier,
it'll have a greater

00:40:43.995 --> 00:40:44.865
sectional density.

00:40:45.315 --> 00:40:47.835
If it's lighter of the
same diameter, it'll have

00:40:48.045 --> 00:40:49.665
less sectional density.

00:40:49.835 --> 00:40:50.105
Yeah.

00:40:50.105 --> 00:40:52.745
So when you're looking
at the catalog at these

00:40:52.745 --> 00:40:55.355
bullets, they will
always have the weight

00:40:55.355 --> 00:40:59.465
in grains, they will have
the calibre of course and

00:40:59.465 --> 00:41:04.505
then it will say SD in
BC, sectional density is

00:41:04.505 --> 00:41:05.615
important to the hunter.

00:41:07.265 --> 00:41:11.735
BC is important to
accuracy, so ballistic

00:41:11.735 --> 00:41:14.885
coefficient is important.

00:41:14.885 --> 00:41:16.565
That number is
important to you.

00:41:16.565 --> 00:41:18.605
You will that low
ballistic coefficient

00:41:18.605 --> 00:41:21.125
number, basically how
slippery that bullet

00:41:21.125 --> 00:41:23.705
is, how aerodynamic
it is, becomes

00:41:23.705 --> 00:41:24.965
important for distance.

00:41:24.995 --> 00:41:26.555
So the bigger, the
number, the more

00:41:26.555 --> 00:41:27.575
aerodynamic that is.

00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.890
For for, for ballistic
coefficient, just

00:41:31.890 --> 00:41:34.020
how well it can,
how streamline

00:41:34.030 --> 00:41:35.009
that bullet is.

00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:36.600
So, and that's when
you're talking about

00:41:36.600 --> 00:41:38.130
the pointed ones
being more streamlined

00:41:38.130 --> 00:41:38.910
or the boat tail.

00:41:38.910 --> 00:41:41.090
And the boat tail with
the, and centre of

00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:43.550
gravity and everything
else, you know, is, is

00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:46.970
a factor there to make
that slippery bullet, get

00:41:46.970 --> 00:41:50.570
out there and travel on
the line that you want.

00:41:50.630 --> 00:41:50.960
Right.

00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:53.930
Sectional d, so
ballistic coefficient

00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:54.800
gets it there.

00:41:55.010 --> 00:41:57.620
Sectional density is
now what you're going to

00:41:57.620 --> 00:41:58.770
rely on once it arrives.

00:41:58.770 --> 00:41:59.380
Once it gets there.

00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.630
That's your
terminal ballistics.

00:42:00.630 --> 00:42:00.940
Yeah.

00:42:00.940 --> 00:42:02.240
And ballistics
are always, you

00:42:02.240 --> 00:42:06.805
know, internal, you
know, in flight,

00:42:06.984 --> 00:42:08.085
terminal ballistics.

00:42:08.115 --> 00:42:09.884
You know, you can look
at it all different

00:42:09.884 --> 00:42:11.655
ways, but sectional
density has a lot to

00:42:11.655 --> 00:42:12.955
do with termination.

00:42:13.005 --> 00:42:14.134
Man you got a lot
of information.

00:42:14.375 --> 00:42:14.675
Yeah.

00:42:14.675 --> 00:42:15.855
You know, there is, and.

00:42:15.884 --> 00:42:16.634
We gotta make this.

00:42:16.634 --> 00:42:17.525
That's what
blows it away.

00:42:17.525 --> 00:42:18.785
So now getting
back to it.

00:42:19.115 --> 00:42:19.384
Yeah.

00:42:19.445 --> 00:42:20.495
Good sectional density.

00:42:21.155 --> 00:42:24.965
Uh, and it, it typically,
uh, all game is looked

00:42:24.965 --> 00:42:27.275
at in North America
in particular is, you

00:42:27.275 --> 00:42:30.515
know, class one, two
and three and four.

00:42:30.755 --> 00:42:34.605
So class one, small game,
uh, coyotes, varmints,

00:42:34.895 --> 00:42:36.875
uh you know, bunnies,
that sort of stuff.

00:42:37.115 --> 00:42:39.485
And so a relatively
low sectional

00:42:39.485 --> 00:42:40.535
density is just fine.

00:42:40.535 --> 00:42:45.845
So, uh, something like a
223, uh, round, um, any

00:42:45.845 --> 00:42:47.105
of those are just fine.

00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:49.649
Then we move
into class two.

00:42:49.649 --> 00:42:51.749
So medium-sized game,
antelope, they always

00:42:51.749 --> 00:42:53.549
throw antelope in there,
but we don't have any

00:42:53.549 --> 00:42:56.490
in BC, but, um, you
know, something in

00:42:56.490 --> 00:42:58.980
the domestic goat size
is slightly larger.

00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:01.589
So everything from
white tail deer, black

00:43:01.589 --> 00:43:05.970
tail, uh, mule deer, uh,
black bear, uh, would

00:43:05.970 --> 00:43:07.500
we in that medium size.

00:43:07.529 --> 00:43:10.440
And so a sectional
density that typically

00:43:10.680 --> 00:43:14.549
is in that range of,
oh, about, you know,

00:43:14.979 --> 00:43:18.299
250 works, nice,
you know, 250 and a

00:43:18.299 --> 00:43:21.359
little bit higher,
uh, sectional density,

00:43:21.660 --> 00:43:24.960
um, you know, going
on and up from there.

00:43:25.379 --> 00:43:28.649
Um, you know, we have a
range, I mean, basically

00:43:28.649 --> 00:43:32.250
sectional density
from 220 to, oh, maybe

00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:33.870
two, you know, 200.

00:43:34.319 --> 00:43:36.029
That's all good for
that medium game.

00:43:37.185 --> 00:43:39.915
The next larger,
class three game,

00:43:39.915 --> 00:43:41.115
that's moose and elk.

00:43:41.415 --> 00:43:44.205
Uh, when you know
those type of animals,

00:43:44.475 --> 00:43:46.395
you want a greater
sectional density.

00:43:46.395 --> 00:43:48.465
So the high 200
numbers, for sure.

00:43:48.795 --> 00:43:50.385
You want to look for
something that's going

00:43:50.385 --> 00:43:54.315
to come in 275 or
better .275 and better.

00:43:54.675 --> 00:43:59.505
And you know, some of
the shockingly small

00:43:59.505 --> 00:44:04.215
calibres, like the
6.5 has amazingly good

00:44:04.215 --> 00:44:05.175
sectional density.

00:44:05.295 --> 00:44:08.925
And that comes from
this long pencil bullet,

00:44:09.345 --> 00:44:11.805
uh, that has a great
penetrative effect.

00:44:12.225 --> 00:44:15.465
Uh, but the classics, you
know, when you compare,

00:44:15.525 --> 00:44:19.995
um, one of the greatest
cartridges really in the

00:44:19.995 --> 00:44:23.235
Magnum class is the 338
Winchester Magnum, great

00:44:23.235 --> 00:44:26.265
sectional density in all
ranges of it's bullets.

00:44:26.295 --> 00:44:29.445
The 300 Winchester
Magnum another great

00:44:29.445 --> 00:44:32.055
one right across the
board for everything

00:44:32.055 --> 00:44:35.115
from, you know, uh,
depending on the bullets,

00:44:35.145 --> 00:44:37.605
but getting back to
the standard classes.

00:44:38.025 --> 00:44:41.004
Uh, and we look at the
heavier weight, the 308

00:44:41.025 --> 00:44:45.705
Winchester, 180 grain,
30-06, uh, 200 grain.

00:44:46.155 --> 00:44:47.805
You can get good
sectional density,

00:44:47.805 --> 00:44:50.175
and that's a really
adequate cartridge

00:44:50.565 --> 00:44:51.885
for moose and elk.

00:44:52.535 --> 00:44:54.545
So let's, let's break
this down a little

00:44:54.545 --> 00:44:57.305
bit and let's say
we've got something

00:44:57.305 --> 00:44:58.835
that's heavy, right?

00:44:58.865 --> 00:45:00.695
Let's see, we've got
a bowling ball and

00:45:00.695 --> 00:45:02.735
we rest that bowling
ball on our foot.

00:45:02.915 --> 00:45:03.185
Yeah.

00:45:03.335 --> 00:45:04.775
That's not going to
do too much damage.

00:45:05.375 --> 00:45:08.405
Let's say we pick it
up a foot or so above

00:45:08.405 --> 00:45:09.425
our foot, we drop it.

00:45:09.485 --> 00:45:11.105
Okay, that's not going
to feel too good.

00:45:11.645 --> 00:45:13.685
And we pick it up
above our head and

00:45:13.685 --> 00:45:14.555
drop it on her foot.

00:45:14.555 --> 00:45:16.545
We'd be lucky if we
don't break our foot.

00:45:16.965 --> 00:45:19.155
So, we're dealing
with gravity.

00:45:19.245 --> 00:45:21.285
Gravity affects
everything at the

00:45:21.285 --> 00:45:23.625
same rate, 32 feet per
second, or 9.8 meters

00:45:23.625 --> 00:45:25.575
per second squared,
per second, per second.

00:45:25.605 --> 00:45:29.115
So that is creating
velocity in the bowling

00:45:29.115 --> 00:45:30.315
ball as it's coming down.

00:45:30.795 --> 00:45:33.195
So just one way, I guess,
kind of look at it,

00:45:33.885 --> 00:45:36.015
let's say we're talking
about our projectile now.

00:45:36.045 --> 00:45:37.535
So we've talked with
a sectional density,

00:45:37.535 --> 00:45:39.525
so looked at different
bullet construction.

00:45:39.825 --> 00:45:42.345
So now we've got a heavy
object that's going

00:45:42.525 --> 00:45:47.295
out, but it's going very
slowly when it impacts

00:45:47.295 --> 00:45:50.085
we're going to have
maybe less penetration,

00:45:50.445 --> 00:45:53.235
but maybe different
transference of energy

00:45:53.235 --> 00:45:55.845
than it would if it's
going out really quickly.

00:45:55.875 --> 00:45:59.355
Really quickly, you
talked about the primary

00:45:59.355 --> 00:46:00.945
and secondary cavitation.

00:46:01.015 --> 00:46:01.305
Yes.

00:46:01.325 --> 00:46:02.465
I think you use
a different word.

00:46:02.465 --> 00:46:04.805
Hydraulic and hydrostatic
shock that, that falls.

00:46:05.075 --> 00:46:07.565
So if we go to a
very big, heavy,

00:46:07.565 --> 00:46:10.745
slow bullet, we get
the hydraulic shock.

00:46:10.805 --> 00:46:11.615
It's still there.

00:46:11.765 --> 00:46:12.245
Okay.

00:46:12.305 --> 00:46:12.485
Yep.

00:46:12.725 --> 00:46:16.560
And sometimes penetration
with those heavier

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:18.930
bullets is just the fact
that retained energy

00:46:19.560 --> 00:46:20.850
harder to slow it down.

00:46:21.060 --> 00:46:21.540
Okay.

00:46:21.810 --> 00:46:24.089
So you might be able
to, your kid comes

00:46:24.089 --> 00:46:27.359
racing at you on his BMX
bike, and he's coming

00:46:27.359 --> 00:46:30.089
at you at 20 kilometres
an hour and your kid

00:46:30.089 --> 00:46:31.200
weighs 60 pounds.

00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:34.049
The bike weighs 40
pounds and you grab

00:46:34.049 --> 00:46:35.370
him by the handlebars
so you can stop him.

00:46:35.430 --> 00:46:35.799
Right?

00:46:35.830 --> 00:46:36.209
Right.

00:46:36.209 --> 00:46:36.580
Okay.

00:46:37.149 --> 00:46:39.720
So now the kid is
now grown up a little

00:46:39.720 --> 00:46:43.589
bit and he's on his
175 CC motorcycle and

00:46:43.589 --> 00:46:44.459
he's coasting at you..

00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:45.990
Now that motorcycle
weighs a couple of

00:46:45.990 --> 00:46:48.149
hundred pounds, the
kids 150 pounds,

00:46:48.509 --> 00:46:51.029
try and stop that at
the same velocity.

00:46:51.089 --> 00:46:51.299
Right.

00:46:51.299 --> 00:46:52.080
When it gets there.

00:46:52.290 --> 00:46:55.620
So, you know, we are
seeing how that weight

00:46:55.620 --> 00:46:56.850
of the bullet can go on.

00:46:56.879 --> 00:46:57.180
Right.

00:46:57.299 --> 00:47:01.599
So let's say a 35
calibre to a 45 calibre

00:47:01.620 --> 00:47:05.270
bullet driven at a
lower velocity maybe,

00:47:05.279 --> 00:47:08.160
or, you know, less than
2000 feet per second.

00:47:09.305 --> 00:47:11.315
You get that good
penetrative effect

00:47:11.315 --> 00:47:12.515
by that heavy bullet.

00:47:12.575 --> 00:47:12.904
Right.

00:47:13.265 --> 00:47:15.875
Now, another thing
you can do to get

00:47:16.145 --> 00:47:18.725
something out of that
bullet is to increase

00:47:18.725 --> 00:47:21.214
the frontal surface
of the bullet, make it

00:47:21.214 --> 00:47:23.654
out around, or meplat.

00:47:23.884 --> 00:47:24.185
Right.

00:47:25.115 --> 00:47:25.835
French word.

00:47:25.924 --> 00:47:27.455
We've got to give
credit to the French.

00:47:27.785 --> 00:47:29.874
We don't give enough
credit to the French.

00:47:30.145 --> 00:47:30.415
They.

00:47:30.455 --> 00:47:31.225
They get enough credit.

00:47:31.225 --> 00:47:33.935
They were the
ballistic forerunners

00:47:33.955 --> 00:47:35.075
of the 1800's.

00:47:35.095 --> 00:47:35.424
They were.

00:47:35.785 --> 00:47:37.884
And they were coming up
with the idea of, uh,

00:47:38.185 --> 00:47:42.384
of a 60% flat frontage
of the overall diameter

00:47:42.384 --> 00:47:44.904
of the bullet for
efficiency transfer of

00:47:44.904 --> 00:47:46.435
energy at low velocity.

00:47:47.484 --> 00:47:49.345
Uh, followed up by
the great Elmer Keith

00:47:49.345 --> 00:47:51.565
in the, you know,
when his development

00:47:51.565 --> 00:47:54.004
of the 44 special
end of the 44 Magnum

00:47:54.184 --> 00:47:57.625
as a pistol calibre
hunting bullet, the

00:47:57.625 --> 00:48:01.375
idea was non expanding,
all lead bullet, big

00:48:01.404 --> 00:48:04.585
flat front, 60% of
the overall diameter.

00:48:06.810 --> 00:48:09.450
Which puts us into
this, hey, I want to

00:48:09.450 --> 00:48:12.649
get a closer range rifle
and you know, you can

00:48:12.649 --> 00:48:14.000
get a lever action.

00:48:14.299 --> 00:48:16.939
Traditionally, everybody
looks at the 30-30.

00:48:17.799 --> 00:48:20.839
30-30 Winchester killed
a lot of game in north

00:48:20.839 --> 00:48:22.339
America, all kinds.

00:48:22.850 --> 00:48:25.520
And one of the things
that, uh, you know,

00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:27.859
traditionally because
of the tubular magazine,

00:48:27.859 --> 00:48:29.870
there was a blunt or a
round nose front to the

00:48:29.870 --> 00:48:32.359
bullet, lower velocities.

00:48:32.359 --> 00:48:34.139
And we would see in
some of the other

00:48:34.139 --> 00:48:36.169
centrefires that are out
there, but it worked.

00:48:36.740 --> 00:48:41.020
Because of that big front
end on the bullet helped

00:48:41.020 --> 00:48:46.339
to transfer the energy
as it went through 44

00:48:46.339 --> 00:48:48.080
Magnum lever action.

00:48:48.200 --> 00:48:51.200
It's a shockingly
good close range.

00:48:51.259 --> 00:48:54.200
And I mean, and with
an all led bullet,

00:48:54.290 --> 00:48:57.589
shockingly good for,
you know, the sub 100

00:48:57.589 --> 00:49:01.310
yard ranges, really
not so good once we

00:49:01.310 --> 00:49:02.600
push past a hundred.

00:49:03.080 --> 00:49:05.835
So when we look
at weight, and

00:49:05.835 --> 00:49:08.175
we look at speed.

00:49:08.385 --> 00:49:12.375
The interesting
thing with speed, is

00:49:12.375 --> 00:49:16.215
that you square the
energy, essentially.

00:49:16.275 --> 00:49:16.695
Right.

00:49:16.755 --> 00:49:21.255
So if you double the
weight of your projectile

00:49:21.255 --> 00:49:24.675
going out, you'll double
the energy transfer, but

00:49:24.675 --> 00:49:29.595
if you double the speed,
it's that speed squared.

00:49:29.745 --> 00:49:32.955
And that's what you can
get greater penetration

00:49:32.985 --> 00:49:33.915
with greater speeds.

00:49:33.915 --> 00:49:35.715
And I think this is where
a lot of people Sterk.

00:49:36.899 --> 00:49:39.779
The difficulty that
people have is number

00:49:39.779 --> 00:49:41.399
one, they start looking
at the physics and

00:49:41.399 --> 00:49:43.169
they look at the math
and they're trying to

00:49:43.169 --> 00:49:45.270
apply that to something
that may be a moving

00:49:45.270 --> 00:49:48.000
or stationary object at
unknown distances, with

00:49:48.029 --> 00:49:50.609
unknown makeups and all
of this extra stuff kind

00:49:50.609 --> 00:49:53.700
of comes in and then it
becomes the great debate.

00:49:53.730 --> 00:49:57.259
So hoping not to have
the great debate with the

00:49:57.270 --> 00:49:59.609
listeners here, but just
letting them know some

00:49:59.609 --> 00:50:01.589
of the variables that
kind of come into play.

00:50:01.589 --> 00:50:03.649
I mean we've talked lots
about it and like you

00:50:03.649 --> 00:50:06.290
say, let it, but now
let's take the great

00:50:06.290 --> 00:50:08.210
debate and dumb it down.

00:50:08.240 --> 00:50:09.410
Yes, yes.

00:50:09.830 --> 00:50:10.160
Okay.

00:50:10.160 --> 00:50:11.299
So what should I buy?

00:50:11.359 --> 00:50:14.990
Well, see that 30-06
rifle right there.

00:50:15.959 --> 00:50:18.080
You like it cause it
looks good, it's a

00:50:18.080 --> 00:50:22.439
high quality, you know,
modern bolt action 30-06.

00:50:23.060 --> 00:50:24.799
You don't have to
look any further son.

00:50:24.890 --> 00:50:25.399
You're there.

00:50:25.700 --> 00:50:26.210
There you go.

00:50:26.839 --> 00:50:28.509
You got it.

00:50:28.890 --> 00:50:30.279
That's the short answer.

00:50:30.279 --> 00:50:30.899
And that is the
short answer.

00:50:30.899 --> 00:50:32.299
But then the next
answer is well how

00:50:32.299 --> 00:50:33.180
about that 308?

00:50:33.200 --> 00:50:34.009
Why shouldn't
they buy that?

00:50:34.640 --> 00:50:37.740
Well, absolutely no
reason whatsoever.

00:50:38.220 --> 00:50:40.680
What's the main distance,
or difference between

00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:41.880
the 308 and the 30-06?

00:50:42.150 --> 00:50:44.410
It's that heavy bullet
thing in the end.

00:50:44.470 --> 00:50:46.160
And what is, so
we've got three laws

00:50:46.160 --> 00:50:47.090
from Newton, right?

00:50:47.630 --> 00:50:50.180
What, first law is
an object in rest

00:50:50.180 --> 00:50:51.410
tends to stay at rest.

00:50:51.410 --> 00:50:54.080
An object in motion
tends to stay in

00:50:54.080 --> 00:50:57.860
motion unless affected
by some other force.

00:50:58.420 --> 00:51:01.670
Uh, law two is to
do with the, uh,

00:51:01.700 --> 00:51:02.870
energy essentially.

00:51:02.930 --> 00:51:06.230
Uh, it's the, the amount
of acceleration of a

00:51:06.230 --> 00:51:09.500
body is proportional
to the acting force and

00:51:10.100 --> 00:51:12.050
inversely proportional
to the best the object.

00:51:12.050 --> 00:51:14.360
And third law is one
that everyone knows

00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.250
is for every action,
there's an equal and

00:51:16.250 --> 00:51:17.180
opposite reaction.

00:51:17.660 --> 00:51:19.880
So law two and
three play into this

00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.650
decision because.

00:51:22.620 --> 00:51:23.580
Recoil.

00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.150
And, you know, I look at
my Chuck Hawk's recoil

00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:29.730
table here and let me
just see what he, oh,

00:51:30.180 --> 00:51:33.440
see what he assigns to
the 30-06 as opposed

00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.980
to the 308 Winchester.

00:51:36.490 --> 00:51:37.740
Yeah, Chuck was
a pretty prolific

00:51:37.740 --> 00:51:38.400
writer wasn't he?

00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:38.710
Oh yeah.

00:51:38.730 --> 00:51:41.370
And I mean, I think he,
he actually stole a lot

00:51:41.370 --> 00:51:43.330
of the stuff too, but
as, and let me just.

00:51:43.330 --> 00:51:44.000
Everyone does.

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.120
Let me just
put in a plug.

00:51:45.150 --> 00:51:48.840
If you got a question
relating to firearms or

00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.330
fighter aircraft, you
just put that question

00:51:51.330 --> 00:51:53.250
in and then add the
words Chuck Hawks.

00:51:53.279 --> 00:51:55.650
And you will come
up with some plain

00:51:55.680 --> 00:51:58.020
language information
of great value.

00:51:58.049 --> 00:51:58.560
Okay.

00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:02.569
So let's go hunting with
our, uh, 308 Winchester,

00:52:02.690 --> 00:52:07.399
180 grain bullet, uh,
being driven at 2,800

00:52:07.399 --> 00:52:10.440
feet per second, the
recoil fell, which

00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:11.850
has felt recoil.

00:52:12.270 --> 00:52:15.330
Uh, it gets an assigned
number of 17.5.

00:52:15.870 --> 00:52:22.650
With the 30-06 at 180
grains uh, it's 20.3.

00:52:25.290 --> 00:52:27.000
So let's go for instance.

00:52:27.060 --> 00:52:28.630
So you get a
bit more recoil.

00:52:28.740 --> 00:52:30.770
A bit and really,
yeah, not much.

00:52:30.770 --> 00:52:35.330
So if you take it down
to, um, the recoil that

00:52:35.330 --> 00:52:39.020
you would get from the
absolute smallest, uh,

00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:43.250
centrefire cartridge,
uh, like 17 Hornet or

00:52:43.710 --> 00:52:49.870
218 Bee, you might get
1.3 or 0.7 felt recoil.

00:52:49.870 --> 00:52:50.570
Which is nothing.

00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:51.660
Absolutely nothing.

00:52:51.660 --> 00:52:54.795
No, it barely, uh,
over a 22 long rifle.

00:52:55.185 --> 00:52:57.765
To go to the other end
of the scale and let's

00:52:57.765 --> 00:53:02.055
go for kind of a common,
the 375 H&H Magnum,

00:53:02.505 --> 00:53:06.705
a long, lived, a big,
heavy hitting Magnum.

00:53:07.065 --> 00:53:11.524
It's going to rate about
37 to 40 on that scale.

00:53:11.765 --> 00:53:14.525
I think that's your
minimum for big game

00:53:14.525 --> 00:53:15.705
hunting over in Africa.

00:53:15.705 --> 00:53:16.735
Yeah, in a lot of cases.

00:53:16.735 --> 00:53:19.625
And you know, the
375 H&H depending on

00:53:19.625 --> 00:53:21.485
how you load, it will
cover everything from

00:53:21.485 --> 00:53:25.355
Dik-Dik to, you know,
Cape Buffalo and, uh,

00:53:25.475 --> 00:53:27.725
you know, they, they,
it's all about what

00:53:27.725 --> 00:53:28.505
you load in there.

00:53:28.835 --> 00:53:30.875
But, you know, as
generalities speaking,

00:53:31.145 --> 00:53:31.985
you know, with recoil.

00:53:31.985 --> 00:53:33.695
So recoil should
be a consideration

00:53:34.205 --> 00:53:36.485
and honestly hard
pressed to feel the

00:53:36.485 --> 00:53:38.915
difference between
a 308 and a 30-06.

00:53:39.235 --> 00:53:41.435
And I think for a
brand new person kind

00:53:41.435 --> 00:53:42.335
of getting into it.

00:53:42.395 --> 00:53:43.445
They shouldn't
worry about that.

00:53:43.625 --> 00:53:45.755
The most offensive
things from a firearm

00:53:45.815 --> 00:53:46.895
are gonna be the noise.

00:53:47.505 --> 00:53:47.625
Yeah.

00:53:47.625 --> 00:53:47.845
Right.

00:53:47.870 --> 00:53:48.799
How loud is this saying?

00:53:48.799 --> 00:53:51.410
And putting a muzzle
break on is a sure-fire

00:53:51.410 --> 00:53:53.420
way to make enemies with
everybody around you,

00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:55.130
because you're going to
hear a lot more noise

00:53:55.520 --> 00:53:58.520
and recoil, does this
thing kick like a mule?

00:53:58.520 --> 00:54:00.410
And there are things
that people can do to.

00:54:00.700 --> 00:54:02.350
Fit the gun to
you properly.

00:54:02.410 --> 00:54:03.460
That's the biggest one.

00:54:03.460 --> 00:54:04.180
Fit it.

00:54:04.180 --> 00:54:04.280
Yeah.

00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:04.610
Fire it.

00:54:04.630 --> 00:54:05.380
Wait.

00:54:05.410 --> 00:54:07.330
So when you talked
about felt, recoil is

00:54:07.330 --> 00:54:11.350
not that recoil changes
on a heavier firearm

00:54:11.740 --> 00:54:13.660
other than the fact
that it's dissipated

00:54:13.660 --> 00:54:15.490
over a longer period
of time and it makes

00:54:15.490 --> 00:54:19.660
it hard snap feel like
more of a harder shove

00:54:20.140 --> 00:54:22.560
and that could make it
more manageable as well.

00:54:22.870 --> 00:54:26.049
And it's a game of length
of pole, you know, from

00:54:26.049 --> 00:54:28.660
the trigger face to
the buttstock, we all

00:54:28.660 --> 00:54:31.049
are, you know, that's
established by you from

00:54:31.270 --> 00:54:33.880
your fingertip to the
crook of your elbow is

00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:34.720
your length of pole.

00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:36.340
So you need to
get in there.

00:54:36.730 --> 00:54:39.730
Um, this is the wonder
of today's modern stocks

00:54:39.730 --> 00:54:41.230
that come adjustable.

00:54:41.490 --> 00:54:41.670
Right.

00:54:41.670 --> 00:54:43.860
You know, they either
come in a telescoping

00:54:43.860 --> 00:54:45.570
fashion with a
pistol grip on them.

00:54:45.570 --> 00:54:46.710
A lot of those
are quite good.

00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:48.360
There's other ones
where you can take

00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:50.820
all the spacers out
of the buttstock and

00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:51.799
shorten or lengthen.

00:54:52.140 --> 00:54:54.390
You can change the height
of the comb for your

00:54:54.390 --> 00:54:57.029
cheek weld to line up all
these things you can, and

00:54:57.029 --> 00:54:59.580
you should, you should
buy that kind of stock.

00:54:59.759 --> 00:55:02.520
In the old days, you,
you bought your beautiful

00:55:02.520 --> 00:55:06.810
piece of, uh, you know,
American Walnut and then

00:55:06.810 --> 00:55:11.430
you had the gunsmith
whiz off or add to put

00:55:11.430 --> 00:55:14.100
a new recoil pad or
whatever the case and,

00:55:14.160 --> 00:55:15.000
and you move from there.

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.279
But today you can
do it in the comfort

00:55:17.279 --> 00:55:17.759
of your home.

00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:20.910
And you can take, you
know, the allen keys

00:55:20.910 --> 00:55:23.490
that come with the
stock set and go to

00:55:23.490 --> 00:55:24.540
the range and practice.

00:55:24.570 --> 00:55:27.870
And again, I always
say too long of a gun

00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:29.930
will never work, but
if the length of pole

00:55:30.240 --> 00:55:32.450
is too small, a big guy
can always shoot it.

00:55:32.450 --> 00:55:32.720
Right.

00:55:32.720 --> 00:55:32.990
Just.

00:55:32.990 --> 00:55:33.700
Big person.

00:55:33.740 --> 00:55:35.730
Just, just watch how
you hold it so you don't

00:55:36.350 --> 00:55:37.995
punch yourself in the
face with your thumb.

00:55:38.645 --> 00:55:41.385
I'll share a tip from
an adjustable stock.

00:55:41.385 --> 00:55:43.515
I remember one of my
first adjustable stocks

00:55:43.515 --> 00:55:47.925
that I got and I saved up
and I spent more money so

00:55:47.925 --> 00:55:50.055
I can get a quick adjust
one so I can just press

00:55:50.055 --> 00:55:52.275
the button and I can
adjust the comb height.

00:55:52.335 --> 00:55:55.215
I can adjust the height,
the length of pull on it.

00:55:55.995 --> 00:55:58.635
And typically
they cost more.

00:55:59.475 --> 00:56:02.745
And I thought this was
just fantastic until I

00:56:02.745 --> 00:56:05.865
accidentally press that
button and everything's

00:56:05.865 --> 00:56:08.115
adjusted out on me when
I needed it the most.

00:56:08.565 --> 00:56:10.545
I would say, if you're
getting into it, save

00:56:10.545 --> 00:56:13.065
your money, spend the
time to adjust it to you

00:56:13.065 --> 00:56:15.795
properly have something
that just hard locks in,

00:56:15.795 --> 00:56:16.785
and then you're done.

00:56:16.785 --> 00:56:18.945
Unless you're planning on
having everyone and their

00:56:18.945 --> 00:56:20.325
dog, shoot after you.

00:56:20.895 --> 00:56:22.065
Get it set to yourself.

00:56:22.455 --> 00:56:23.055
Save the money.

00:56:23.435 --> 00:56:26.255
Hey, did I ever
mentioned before that

00:56:26.255 --> 00:56:27.345
I like simplicity?

00:56:27.385 --> 00:56:28.115
Mhmm.

00:56:28.155 --> 00:56:30.755
A lot less goes wrong
when it's simple.

00:56:31.055 --> 00:56:35.055
And same thing, I'm
dead on with scopes.

00:56:35.084 --> 00:56:37.214
I don't need a scope
that's got a rangefinder

00:56:37.214 --> 00:56:38.654
built in there and
a whole bunch of

00:56:38.654 --> 00:56:41.535
other stuff to, you
know, confuse and

00:56:41.535 --> 00:56:43.845
attract my attention
within the field.

00:56:43.904 --> 00:56:46.725
You know, in a long
range, target shooting

00:56:46.725 --> 00:56:47.834
competition who cares?

00:56:48.165 --> 00:56:50.234
Uh, you know, training
as a professional, as

00:56:50.234 --> 00:56:51.435
a sniper who cares?

00:56:52.575 --> 00:56:54.645
Holy smokes,
that's a deer.

00:56:54.944 --> 00:56:56.745
I just want to be able
to bring that gun up,

00:56:57.225 --> 00:56:59.865
get a good cheek weld
and away I go from there.

00:56:59.895 --> 00:57:01.424
So keeping simplicity.

00:57:01.455 --> 00:57:04.004
But we're getting back
to, Hey, sectional

00:57:04.004 --> 00:57:06.674
density, the available
sectional density in that

00:57:06.674 --> 00:57:10.245
308 or that 30-06 takes
you all the way into

00:57:10.245 --> 00:57:12.015
the class three animal.

00:57:12.754 --> 00:57:13.314
No problem.

00:57:13.314 --> 00:57:13.614
No problem.

00:57:13.984 --> 00:57:16.605
If you want to get up
where you might want to

00:57:16.605 --> 00:57:19.665
be considering dangerous
game, then really, since

00:57:19.665 --> 00:57:22.485
they took grizzly bear
out of the picture, uh,

00:57:22.515 --> 00:57:25.395
here in BC kind of leaves
us with may, I don't

00:57:25.395 --> 00:57:27.885
think so much bison is
dangerous game, but it

00:57:27.895 --> 00:57:31.065
certainly, there's a
lot of tissue there that

00:57:31.065 --> 00:57:31.995
you have to consider.

00:57:32.145 --> 00:57:36.155
So of course the 30-06 is
way better at launching

00:57:36.155 --> 00:57:39.075
a 220 grain bullet,
uh, based on case

00:57:39.075 --> 00:57:41.325
capacity and overall
case length, then you

00:57:41.325 --> 00:57:42.845
would get from the 308.

00:57:43.425 --> 00:57:45.195
But if you're going
to be a moose hunter,

00:57:45.255 --> 00:57:46.365
you're going to
be a deer hunter.

00:57:46.815 --> 00:57:49.185
You're going to be, you
know, a mountain goat

00:57:49.185 --> 00:57:52.095
hunter, certainly the
three-way or 30-06 are

00:57:52.095 --> 00:57:53.625
totally interchangeable
for the rest.

00:57:55.245 --> 00:57:56.535
Maybe you want
to get some more

00:57:56.535 --> 00:57:57.255
range out of it.

00:57:57.465 --> 00:57:58.485
Maybe you're gonna
look at 'em right.

00:57:59.355 --> 00:58:00.975
Later let's talk
about that, but let's

00:58:00.975 --> 00:58:02.395
stick with these
standard calibres.

00:58:02.415 --> 00:58:05.905
And I call the standards,
the 308 Winchester,

00:58:06.265 --> 00:58:09.045
30-06 Springfield,
270 Winchester.

00:58:09.705 --> 00:58:12.615
You take the 30-06,
ya narrow the case

00:58:12.615 --> 00:58:13.965
down at the mouth.

00:58:14.055 --> 00:58:16.395
You reduce the,
the calibre.

00:58:16.815 --> 00:58:19.785
And first of all, you
get higher speed bullet.

00:58:19.875 --> 00:58:22.665
So the trajectory of
the bullet is flatter.

00:58:22.765 --> 00:58:25.875
So therefore, you know,
your considerations as

00:58:25.875 --> 00:58:28.785
range increases, uh,
there's less issues

00:58:28.785 --> 00:58:30.855
with hold and placement.

00:58:30.885 --> 00:58:32.835
You get a little
bit more from the

00:58:32.835 --> 00:58:34.755
270  in that realm.

00:58:35.085 --> 00:58:39.345
So a 270, uh, in the
heavier grain bullets

00:58:39.345 --> 00:58:42.345
at 150 or 140 grain
will certainly get you

00:58:42.345 --> 00:58:46.485
in that, uh, mid range
of the 200 numbers in

00:58:46.485 --> 00:58:52.095
sectional density, like
260 to 275 or better in

00:58:52.095 --> 00:58:52.845
those weight bullets.

00:58:52.845 --> 00:58:55.185
So perfectly adequate
for moose, shot moose

00:58:55.185 --> 00:58:57.175
with 270, no problem.

00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.620
Uh, good penetrative
effect, uh, good

00:59:00.620 --> 00:59:01.700
expansion on the bullet.

00:59:01.730 --> 00:59:02.420
It was there.

00:59:02.660 --> 00:59:06.200
Now, those were moose
shot at well under

00:59:06.200 --> 00:59:07.100
a hundred yards.

00:59:07.610 --> 00:59:09.800
Uh, if I was now
looking at a moose at

00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.589
400 yards, would I be
thinking that my 270

00:59:13.610 --> 00:59:15.110
would be adequate for it?

00:59:15.140 --> 00:59:16.760
And I might question
that a little bit

00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.790
more because remember
these light bullets,

00:59:19.790 --> 00:59:20.630
once they get out to.

00:59:20.630 --> 00:59:21.020
Energy.

00:59:21.050 --> 00:59:21.640
To distance.

00:59:21.660 --> 00:59:23.570
Now, the other thing
though, that you can,

00:59:24.050 --> 00:59:25.880
you know, if you're
going to retain energy

00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:27.500
out there, that's good.

00:59:27.650 --> 00:59:30.230
But the construction of
the bullet, these super

00:59:30.230 --> 00:59:33.590
long distance hunting
bullets are very soft

00:59:33.620 --> 00:59:36.920
metals so that they
still, you know, will

00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.530
retain their super good
accuracy out there,

00:59:39.950 --> 00:59:41.960
get their penetrative
effect and you will

00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:45.975
get, um, expansion
from low velocity.

00:59:46.005 --> 00:59:47.805
Normally you need
velocity to get

00:59:47.805 --> 00:59:50.265
the expansion, that
velocity is getting

00:59:50.265 --> 00:59:51.765
lost with distance.

00:59:52.125 --> 00:59:55.175
Um, but softer
metal, the ELD.

00:59:55.305 --> 00:59:55.755
Hornady's.

00:59:55.825 --> 00:59:57.765
Hornady's ELDX I'll
tell you I just

00:59:57.765 --> 00:59:58.634
loaded a bunch.

00:59:58.935 --> 01:00:00.225
And the first thing
that happened was I

01:00:00.225 --> 01:00:03.975
noticed a ring forming
above the cannelure.

01:00:04.035 --> 01:00:04.275
Yeah.

01:00:04.525 --> 01:00:06.734
I immediately
called up my friend

01:00:06.795 --> 01:00:08.475
who's very familiar
with the product.

01:00:09.555 --> 01:00:11.205
And so what's going
on and I had to get a

01:00:11.205 --> 01:00:14.085
different bullet plug
for my dye so that it

01:00:14.085 --> 01:00:15.705
didn't mark the ogive.

01:00:15.855 --> 01:00:18.495
So, uh, currently have
that installed at home,

01:00:18.495 --> 01:00:21.404
gonna load it up because
I wasn't overly impressed

01:00:21.404 --> 01:00:24.314
with the accuracy of,
of the bullet and.

01:00:24.314 --> 01:00:25.775
The factory stuff's
pretty damn good.

01:00:25.775 --> 01:00:26.234
And yes.

01:00:26.234 --> 01:00:27.825
And it could have
very much been that

01:00:27.825 --> 01:00:29.365
big indentation in.

01:00:30.150 --> 01:00:31.950
That I'm sure
had some effect.

01:00:31.950 --> 01:00:36.060
So at any rate, getting
back to standard calvers

01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:39.990
270 grade, what happened
was Remington looked

01:00:39.990 --> 01:00:42.360
at the success that
Winchester had with that

01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.920
270 cartridge and they
made a 7mm version of

01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.870
it, you know, basically
taking the same dimension

01:00:48.870 --> 01:00:51.720
cartridge and increasing
it to some millimeter.

01:00:51.750 --> 01:00:54.720
And the wonder of the
7mm bullet is it's

01:00:54.720 --> 01:00:55.770
sectional density.

01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.200
It's just, it's,
you know that.

01:00:58.200 --> 01:00:59.359
It just sounds dirty when
you say it like that.

01:00:59.359 --> 01:01:01.270
I know, but it's just
that length of the bullet

01:01:01.270 --> 01:01:03.900
and everything else and
the 280 Remington, which

01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:07.740
is the saddest thing in
the world never beat out

01:01:07.740 --> 01:01:11.340
the 270 Winchester, but
that's a great cartridge

01:01:11.370 --> 01:01:15.060
man, oh man, if you've
got a 280 and the way

01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:17.970
to go now it's actually
a 280 Ackley Improved

01:01:18.870 --> 01:01:21.720
and it's just slightly
different dimensionally.

01:01:22.485 --> 01:01:24.735
You can load 280
Remington in there,

01:01:24.735 --> 01:01:25.335
you shoot it.

01:01:25.395 --> 01:01:27.795
And then it'll fire
form to the chamber,

01:01:27.795 --> 01:01:30.195
but there's no problems
in initially starting

01:01:30.195 --> 01:01:33.105
out with 280 Remington
cartridges, factory

01:01:33.105 --> 01:01:37.904
loaded by our them, what
a great, great cartridge.

01:01:38.055 --> 01:01:39.795
Totally overlooked
by so many people.

01:01:40.515 --> 01:01:41.835
And a great long range.

01:01:41.835 --> 01:01:43.365
You're very
effective you know.

01:01:44.404 --> 01:01:46.685
So there's one piece
of the puzzle here

01:01:46.685 --> 01:01:48.875
that I think would be
good to talk about.

01:01:49.565 --> 01:01:53.645
I think it was Townsend
Whelen, ascribed.

01:01:53.735 --> 01:01:54.695
My hero.

01:01:56.884 --> 01:02:03.275
For energy, uh, a 1000
foot pounds of energy for

01:02:03.275 --> 01:02:04.605
putting down most deer.

01:02:04.625 --> 01:02:07.535
And I think it was about
1500 . For like elk.

01:02:07.535 --> 01:02:07.884
Elk, moose.

01:02:08.124 --> 01:02:08.945
And moose and.

01:02:08.945 --> 01:02:09.485
Bison.

01:02:09.965 --> 01:02:13.350
When people look at their
ammunition that they

01:02:13.350 --> 01:02:14.280
get from the factory.

01:02:14.520 --> 01:02:17.820
There's going to be
either on the box or

01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:19.680
they can go online and
check it out and they'll

01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:21.630
have the average energy.

01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:21.900
Right?

01:02:21.930 --> 01:02:23.730
So you've talked
about internal and

01:02:23.730 --> 01:02:26.550
external and terminal
ballistics, internal

01:02:26.550 --> 01:02:28.410
ballistics, being
everything that happens

01:02:28.410 --> 01:02:30.840
inside the firearm,
the primers hit the

01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.730
powders, burdening the
projectiles going out.

01:02:32.730 --> 01:02:33.600
It's all internal.

01:02:33.990 --> 01:02:36.090
We've talked about
external ballistics,

01:02:36.090 --> 01:02:37.650
everything that
happens the second and

01:02:37.650 --> 01:02:38.850
leaves the firearm.

01:02:38.850 --> 01:02:39.230
Gravity.

01:02:39.230 --> 01:02:39.460
Everything.

01:02:39.460 --> 01:02:43.279
Affecting, humidity,
elevation, wind, all

01:02:43.279 --> 01:02:45.030
of these things in
terminal ballistics,

01:02:45.450 --> 01:02:46.860
as it hits the animal.

01:02:46.860 --> 01:02:52.500
And so they see the
factory can't account

01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:56.640
for every little variance
or length of barrel or,

01:02:57.100 --> 01:02:59.250
but they'll, they'll
give you a good, fairly

01:02:59.250 --> 01:03:00.580
close generalization.

01:03:00.580 --> 01:03:01.569
Like a grounding yeah.

01:03:01.770 --> 01:03:02.069
Right.

01:03:02.069 --> 01:03:05.250
And they'll say, hey,
at this distance, here's

01:03:05.250 --> 01:03:07.920
how much energy your
projectile should have.

01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.250
So if you start looking
at these charts and you

01:03:11.250 --> 01:03:14.940
just kinda use the swag
system, the scientific

01:03:14.940 --> 01:03:19.350
wild ass guess and say,
well, it's going to be

01:03:19.350 --> 01:03:20.610
about this distance.

01:03:20.610 --> 01:03:22.410
Will it have that energy?

01:03:22.410 --> 01:03:24.180
Will I I'm
shooting on a deer?

01:03:24.180 --> 01:03:26.400
Will it have a thousand
foot pounds of energy?

01:03:26.910 --> 01:03:28.320
Well, yes.

01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:28.860
Guess what?

01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:31.320
You've got a cartridge
that would be applicable

01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.200
for deer hunting
within that range.

01:03:33.660 --> 01:03:35.160
I think that's
a quick way.

01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:37.200
And that's a good, yes,
I totally liked that.

01:03:37.229 --> 01:03:39.359
And you know, so you
look at the box and

01:03:39.359 --> 01:03:42.600
you know, it's leaving
it out 3000 pounds or

01:03:42.600 --> 01:03:45.330
whatever the case may
be, but certainly we'd

01:03:45.330 --> 01:03:47.100
like to say it hits
with a ton of energy

01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:48.060
at a hundred yards.

01:03:48.509 --> 01:03:51.029
So you're still double
what you need for a

01:03:51.029 --> 01:03:55.259
deer at 200 yards, it's
hitting, you know, pretty

01:03:55.259 --> 01:03:58.350
much at a time, you know,
308 hits with a ton at

01:03:58.350 --> 01:04:00.330
200 yards, 150 grain.

01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:02.759
And then once you push
it out to 300, it might

01:04:02.759 --> 01:04:05.669
be dropping down and
you've still got more

01:04:05.669 --> 01:04:08.370
than you need with a
308 or a 30-06 in that

01:04:08.640 --> 01:04:12.160
medium weight bullet
loading, 150 grain, 165,

01:04:12.180 --> 01:04:13.319
you you're, you're good.

01:04:13.859 --> 01:04:17.625
So, take comfort
in picking the

01:04:17.625 --> 01:04:19.785
308, take comfort.

01:04:20.205 --> 01:04:23.265
Uh, it, well, one of the
things that has always

01:04:23.265 --> 01:04:27.165
hurt a cartridge is if it
was never adopted by long

01:04:27.165 --> 01:04:28.544
distance target shooters.

01:04:29.714 --> 01:04:30.375
Or military.

01:04:30.495 --> 01:04:32.845
Or military to some
degree, but the 308,

01:04:33.194 --> 01:04:36.884
oh, became the love
child for so many long

01:04:36.884 --> 01:04:38.355
distance target shooters.

01:04:38.625 --> 01:04:40.875
And then they started
to change it around.

01:04:40.904 --> 01:04:45.404
Oh, good old 30-06
became the base for

01:04:45.495 --> 01:04:46.694
hunting cartridges.

01:04:47.115 --> 01:04:49.575
It was the best known.

01:04:49.605 --> 01:04:51.315
And I think in a
lot of cases, pretty

01:04:51.315 --> 01:04:52.665
good in the United
States, the best known

01:04:52.875 --> 01:04:54.705
hunting cartridge had
started as a military.

01:04:54.884 --> 01:04:55.185
Right.

01:04:56.294 --> 01:05:00.209
The 270, wasn't a long
distance target shooting,

01:05:00.450 --> 01:05:03.180
but it was a great long
distance north American

01:05:03.180 --> 01:05:06.750
game cartridge, the 35
Whelen, another variant

01:05:06.750 --> 01:05:12.029
of the 30-06, you know,
the 338-06, another

01:05:12.029 --> 01:05:15.299
big bullet coming out
of a necked up 30-06,

01:05:15.450 --> 01:05:17.970
never was a long range
target cartridge.

01:05:18.930 --> 01:05:20.279
Well along comes the 308.

01:05:20.930 --> 01:05:23.509
And the next thing,
you know, 243, they

01:05:23.509 --> 01:05:24.529
neck that down.

01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:27.830
And man, you got a
great long range target

01:05:27.830 --> 01:05:28.520
shooting cartridge.

01:05:28.520 --> 01:05:31.970
243 gets super popular as
a light deer cartridge.

01:05:32.150 --> 01:05:34.549
In addition to of
Armenian cartridge

01:05:34.549 --> 01:05:35.569
and long distance.

01:05:35.990 --> 01:05:39.410
Then the 6mm start
to show up and, you

01:05:39.410 --> 01:05:41.450
know, without doing
too much wild, some

01:05:41.450 --> 01:05:43.730
cases, they actually
cut the case down.

01:05:43.730 --> 01:05:46.500
They use the,
the same head and

01:05:46.710 --> 01:05:48.830
completely reformed
a case out of it.

01:05:48.830 --> 01:05:51.379
But then, you know,
stuff like this, you

01:05:51.379 --> 01:05:54.650
know, the 6mm's just
couldn't get ignored.

01:05:54.650 --> 01:05:58.069
The 260 Remington, uh,
you know, and so on where

01:05:58.069 --> 01:06:02.120
this smaller bullet, you
know, was doing wonderful

01:06:02.120 --> 01:06:05.090
things at long ranges
for target shooters.

01:06:05.090 --> 01:06:05.340
Well Europe.

01:06:05.380 --> 01:06:07.660
Europe they have
the 6.5 x 55, right?

01:06:07.660 --> 01:06:08.410
Well yes!

01:06:08.410 --> 01:06:08.590
And here

01:06:08.590 --> 01:06:08.870
It's like 1800.

01:06:08.870 --> 01:06:11.650
Was this crazy thing
I remember all the

01:06:11.650 --> 01:06:13.490
surplus rifles, it
would, people would buy.

01:06:13.530 --> 01:06:15.970
Guys would turn up
with these 6.5 Swedes.

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:16.800
That's what it's called.

01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:17.300
6.5 Swedes.

01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:17.560
Yeah.

01:06:17.590 --> 01:06:18.730
Mouser action.

01:06:19.030 --> 01:06:21.490
And oh, kill
moose, like crazy.

01:06:21.490 --> 01:06:23.350
And you look at this
thing and it, this.

01:06:23.560 --> 01:06:24.780
Like, how does this
to kill a moose?

01:06:24.780 --> 01:06:27.100
This, this hideously
long, skinny little

01:06:27.100 --> 01:06:28.300
pencil bullet in there.

01:06:28.570 --> 01:06:28.720
Yeah.

01:06:30.285 --> 01:06:32.715
Two words,
sectional density.

01:06:33.195 --> 01:06:34.005
That's how it works.

01:06:34.355 --> 01:06:37.625
So now today, the new
kid on the block, it's

01:06:37.625 --> 01:06:41.075
a 6.5 while there's
it's being surpassed a

01:06:41.075 --> 01:06:44.345
little bit, but the 6.5
Creedmoor and then the,

01:06:44.345 --> 01:06:49.095
uh, the PRC, the 6.5 PRC,
they are using sectional

01:06:49.115 --> 01:06:52.985
density to the nth degree
in a super low rate.

01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:55.110
You know relatively
speaking.

01:06:55.140 --> 01:06:58.350
And here's the other
kicker target shooters

01:06:58.350 --> 01:07:00.570
want repetitive accuracy.

01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:02.340
They like a nice
stiff action.

01:07:02.790 --> 01:07:05.640
Well, if you take an
inch or two out of the

01:07:05.640 --> 01:07:08.520
overall length of the
action, it stiffens up

01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.150
and you know, people
say, well, why does the

01:07:11.150 --> 01:07:14.420
308 Winchester seem to
be a little bit more

01:07:14.420 --> 01:07:16.340
accurate than the 30-06?

01:07:16.340 --> 01:07:18.529
Well it's that stiffness
of the receiver.

01:07:18.560 --> 01:07:19.299
The short action.

01:07:19.460 --> 01:07:21.675
Short action could be
one of those things.

01:07:21.675 --> 01:07:24.945
Now there's a huge
argument too, in throwing

01:07:24.945 --> 01:07:27.795
the length of the action
in the heat of battle.

01:07:28.005 --> 01:07:31.065
And although I have
used that as an excuse

01:07:31.065 --> 01:07:32.925
for myself, I don't
think it's true.

01:07:33.105 --> 01:07:35.745
I really, maybe if
you're trying to throw

01:07:35.745 --> 01:07:39.685
a bolt on a, you know,
378, uh, Whetherby

01:07:39.705 --> 01:07:41.265
Magnum or something,
those are, that's a

01:07:41.265 --> 01:07:43.265
long throw on that bolt.

01:07:43.265 --> 01:07:44.315
There are some
places where an

01:07:44.315 --> 01:07:45.125
inch matters, but.

01:07:45.185 --> 01:07:45.415
Yeah.

01:07:45.415 --> 01:07:46.205
I don't know
if it's there.

01:07:48.965 --> 01:07:51.875
But again, so
stiff, stiff action,

01:07:51.875 --> 01:07:52.835
308 accurate.

01:07:53.225 --> 01:07:56.465
So a lot of people are
looking at the 6.5 and

01:07:56.465 --> 01:07:59.405
when you read the hunting
magazines and the writers

01:07:59.405 --> 01:08:01.595
and everything else,
everybody's liking it a

01:08:01.595 --> 01:08:05.795
lot, but there's more and
more coming back about

01:08:05.795 --> 01:08:09.425
some failures on elk
and moose size animals.

01:08:09.455 --> 01:08:11.495
Even though the
numbers look like

01:08:11.495 --> 01:08:12.215
they should work.

01:08:12.245 --> 01:08:12.545
Right.

01:08:14.145 --> 01:08:16.575
A bit, a bad shot
placement is not helping.

01:08:17.225 --> 01:08:19.835
I think one of the
big things about

01:08:19.835 --> 01:08:21.665
these, like the 6.5.

01:08:21.814 --> 01:08:24.934
So a few years back,
I reached out to

01:08:24.934 --> 01:08:26.135
International Barrels.

01:08:26.165 --> 01:08:28.505
They make premium
high grade rifle,

01:08:28.505 --> 01:08:30.484
barrels team really
good at what they do.

01:08:31.234 --> 01:08:33.404
And I had a 260,
great calibre.

01:08:33.515 --> 01:08:33.995
Yes.

01:08:34.055 --> 01:08:38.765
And I thought it was
on a Seiko 85, a friend

01:08:38.765 --> 01:08:41.135
gave me and I said,
well, let's, let's

01:08:41.135 --> 01:08:44.255
try putting a 6.5
Creedmore on this thing.

01:08:44.434 --> 01:08:46.684
See how your barrels
work and see how

01:08:46.684 --> 01:08:47.375
this thing shoots.

01:08:47.465 --> 01:08:48.934
Because I figured I
wanted to set the thing

01:08:48.934 --> 01:08:52.175
up and let my wife
or my kids shoot it

01:08:52.175 --> 01:08:53.764
because it is a lighter
recoiling cartridge.

01:08:53.764 --> 01:08:56.245
Oh a 260's a bit of a
vicious bastard, it's.

01:08:56.275 --> 01:08:58.325
Well the 6.5 is
a little nicer.

01:08:58.535 --> 01:08:58.835
Yeah.

01:08:59.075 --> 01:08:59.375
Yeah.

01:08:59.404 --> 01:09:01.835
But that 260 boy,
that's surprising

01:09:01.835 --> 01:09:02.975
for what it is hey.

01:09:03.335 --> 01:09:05.825
So I ended up keeping
it for myself.

01:09:05.825 --> 01:09:08.194
I liked it so much
and they got, they

01:09:08.194 --> 01:09:10.984
got their own, but it
come, came down to,

01:09:11.075 --> 01:09:12.484
for them particularly.

01:09:13.055 --> 01:09:15.725
Shot placement
and the ability to

01:09:15.725 --> 01:09:18.484
manage that recoil
and feel comfortable

01:09:19.024 --> 01:09:20.255
shooting that firearm.

01:09:20.285 --> 01:09:23.765
My, my daughter, she's
going to be 14 and a

01:09:23.765 --> 01:09:27.305
couple of months here and
she fired about 10 rounds

01:09:27.335 --> 01:09:31.354
off the, standing off
a bi-pod a round after

01:09:31.354 --> 01:09:33.425
round having the time of
her life saying, oh, this

01:09:33.425 --> 01:09:34.564
is so much fun to shoot.

01:09:35.375 --> 01:09:39.154
So I, I think while there
are lovers and haters of

01:09:39.154 --> 01:09:42.064
different calibres and
cartridges, if people

01:09:42.064 --> 01:09:45.875
can understand the energy
transference at distance,

01:09:46.415 --> 01:09:48.965
if they can understand
shot placement, if they

01:09:48.965 --> 01:09:50.975
can understand that
maybe it's time to pony

01:09:50.975 --> 01:09:53.645
up a couple of bucks and
get the better, maybe

01:09:53.645 --> 01:09:56.585
bonded ammo or monolithic
ammo, or do their own

01:09:56.585 --> 01:09:57.215
research and make.

01:09:58.215 --> 01:10:00.405
Those those are going
to be well, that's

01:10:00.405 --> 01:10:02.295
going to be the
dominant, uh, cartridge.

01:10:02.325 --> 01:10:05.235
I honestly think, I think
probably the 6.5 PRC.

01:10:05.264 --> 01:10:05.985
It's probably going to.

01:10:05.985 --> 01:10:06.745
It's picking up isn't it?

01:10:06.764 --> 01:10:07.215
Yeah, it is.

01:10:07.215 --> 01:10:09.105
It's in the, you know,
so again, without having

01:10:09.105 --> 01:10:10.965
the tables in front
of me, just to me, you

01:10:10.965 --> 01:10:13.184
know, but the, the, the
writers, the, you know,

01:10:13.184 --> 01:10:17.144
they say, if you already
own a 6.5 Creedmoor, you

01:10:17.144 --> 01:10:18.885
probably won't appreciate
the difference.

01:10:19.545 --> 01:10:22.304
But if you're thinking of
buying a 6.5 Creedmoor,

01:10:22.575 --> 01:10:26.010
a lot of the writers are
saying now, and maybe you

01:10:26.010 --> 01:10:28.500
should get the 6.5 PRC
because it's going to be

01:10:29.100 --> 01:10:29.790
just that much better.

01:10:29.790 --> 01:10:31.440
It's going to edge
it out in the end.

01:10:32.040 --> 01:10:34.170
And therefore what will
happen is, you know,

01:10:34.170 --> 01:10:36.060
bullet selections will
be identical between the

01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:38.460
two they're loading the
same bullets, but it's

01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:41.130
case capacity in, in
what you can establish

01:10:41.370 --> 01:10:43.410
from the PRC that
that might make it the

01:10:43.410 --> 01:10:44.370
better hunting bullets.

01:10:44.420 --> 01:10:45.980
And it'll, it'll have
more velocity in that

01:10:45.980 --> 01:10:46.670
one too, doesn't it?

01:10:46.710 --> 01:10:46.950
Yeah.

01:10:47.570 --> 01:10:49.940
So, so those, those
factors are going

01:10:49.940 --> 01:10:52.670
to play into it, you
know, you're, you

01:10:52.670 --> 01:10:55.100
could kill yourself by
trying to stay on top

01:10:55.100 --> 01:10:56.030
of all these trends.

01:10:56.570 --> 01:10:59.390
And I did for the
longest time kinda buy

01:10:59.390 --> 01:11:02.720
different cartridge,
you know, chamberings

01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:04.530
for my different rifles
and then base hunt's

01:11:04.530 --> 01:11:06.370
around  that and, and.

01:11:07.500 --> 01:11:10.769
So I go back to my,
my deer and black

01:11:10.769 --> 01:11:12.780
bear cartridge is
a 308 Winchester.

01:11:13.440 --> 01:11:16.740
I, uh, I, I love the
rifle that it's in,

01:11:16.740 --> 01:11:19.710
in particular and God
bless the good people at

01:11:19.710 --> 01:11:21.150
Ruger for their designs.

01:11:21.240 --> 01:11:22.769
And I love that rifle.

01:11:23.490 --> 01:11:26.070
Um, but that is
my that's my go-to

01:11:26.190 --> 01:11:27.930
medium game cartridge.

01:11:29.490 --> 01:11:32.790
I like to shoot
iron sights and

01:11:32.820 --> 01:11:34.349
therefore, I like to
get a little closer.

01:11:34.349 --> 01:11:38.400
So I do love my
30-30 Winchester.

01:11:39.240 --> 01:11:47.370
I use the Hornady, um, GM
GMX bullet, the, the, uh,

01:11:47.430 --> 01:11:49.710
the, the gummy bear tip.

01:11:50.580 --> 01:11:54.030
Uh, but, uh, I have
duplicated, you

01:11:54.030 --> 01:11:55.650
know, through my hand
loading the same as

01:11:55.650 --> 01:11:59.180
the factory Hornaday
lever evolution 30-30

01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:01.160
and you know what that.

01:12:02.025 --> 01:12:03.224
Talk about
bullet placement.

01:12:03.644 --> 01:12:06.165
I usually make a
neck shot and that

01:12:06.344 --> 01:12:10.245
bullet is just, that
really does give that

01:12:10.275 --> 01:12:13.155
knockdown appearance
to that cartridge.

01:12:13.365 --> 01:12:17.264
And I'm talking range
is a 45 to 60, 70 yards,

01:12:17.294 --> 01:12:18.285
but boy, it works.

01:12:18.344 --> 01:12:21.794
And yet I confidently
can shoot my rifle,

01:12:21.794 --> 01:12:25.184
my 30-30 lever
action to 200 yards.

01:12:25.605 --> 01:12:27.615
And I know that bullet
will transfer enough

01:12:27.644 --> 01:12:31.004
energy to still do the
job at two at 200 yards.

01:12:31.235 --> 01:12:32.705
I think there's a lot
to be said for that

01:12:32.705 --> 01:12:35.415
old saying beware the
person with one gun.

01:12:35.584 --> 01:12:35.855
Yeah.

01:12:35.855 --> 01:12:37.804
And I'm not, I'm not
though, but yeah.

01:12:37.844 --> 01:12:40.094
But what I'm saying
is don't, rather than

01:12:40.094 --> 01:12:42.075
chasing all the new
cartridges, you found

01:12:42.105 --> 01:12:46.035
about one gun for
certain situations that

01:12:46.035 --> 01:12:48.135
you're comfortable, you
know, you know, it's

01:12:48.135 --> 01:12:50.015
got the energy, you
know, you can shoot it.

01:12:50.665 --> 01:12:52.625
Uh, and, and
what I've done.

01:12:52.685 --> 01:12:55.805
So in my, my, my big
calibre is the 35

01:12:55.805 --> 01:12:57.425
Whelen, and it's really,
those are the three

01:12:57.425 --> 01:12:58.715
centrefires that I use.

01:12:59.225 --> 01:13:02.015
And with that 35 Whelen,
I started playing

01:13:02.015 --> 01:13:04.445
around now with a
lighter weight bullet,

01:13:04.475 --> 01:13:08.225
traditionally shot at 250
grain partition bullet

01:13:08.345 --> 01:13:09.635
out of that for moose.

01:13:10.175 --> 01:13:13.445
I started playing around
with a 200 grain and

01:13:13.715 --> 01:13:17.225
now a monolith bullet,
uh, TTSX, uh, Barnes,

01:13:17.225 --> 01:13:21.995
TTS, TTSX bullet, which
significantly increases

01:13:21.995 --> 01:13:25.985
velocity, and therefore
takes it from a, a 200

01:13:25.985 --> 01:13:29.945
to 250 yard rifle out
into more than capable

01:13:29.945 --> 01:13:32.105
at 350 to 400 yards.

01:13:32.705 --> 01:13:34.925
The retained energy of
that bullet is that.

01:13:36.055 --> 01:13:39.085
The ex, you know, and
it's now the diameter

01:13:39.085 --> 01:13:42.505
of the bullet that
gives me what I need

01:13:42.835 --> 01:13:44.425
as the velocity drops.

01:13:44.695 --> 01:13:46.945
The diameter is up
there, so it works, you

01:13:46.945 --> 01:13:50.365
know, I'm waiting for
Hornady to get on the

01:13:50.365 --> 01:13:53.815
stick and make a better
358 calibre bullet.

01:13:54.025 --> 01:13:56.245
The only one they make
now would be for, you

01:13:56.245 --> 01:13:58.765
know, something like
a, a 35 Remington, a

01:13:58.765 --> 01:14:00.295
lever action, style
bullet, but they're

01:14:00.295 --> 01:14:03.895
not really making it a
good, uh, you know, good

01:14:03.895 --> 01:14:06.745
ballistic coefficient,
boat tail bullet for,

01:14:06.745 --> 01:14:07.735
for that sort of stuff.

01:14:07.965 --> 01:14:10.965
Well, how about a
couple of, uh, questions

01:14:10.995 --> 01:14:12.735
that club members
have put forward?

01:14:12.735 --> 01:14:15.375
Because couple club
members caught wind

01:14:16.065 --> 01:14:18.765
and one question was.

01:14:20.535 --> 01:14:23.684
Do you want your bullet
to transfer all of

01:14:23.684 --> 01:14:26.474
its energy into the
animal and stop inside?

01:14:26.505 --> 01:14:29.054
Or would you personally
prefer to see it go

01:14:29.054 --> 01:14:30.974
through and through
and perhaps create a

01:14:30.974 --> 01:14:33.344
better blood trail for
tracking afterwards?

01:14:33.585 --> 01:14:34.724
What are your
thoughts on that?

01:14:35.315 --> 01:14:36.125
That's a good question.

01:14:36.125 --> 01:14:39.065
I would rather see my
animal just drop with

01:14:39.065 --> 01:14:41.624
one shot, literally no
blood trail or anything.

01:14:41.624 --> 01:14:41.924
Oh totally.

01:14:42.214 --> 01:14:45.844
That typically comes from
that huge transfers of

01:14:45.844 --> 01:14:47.465
energy within the animal.

01:14:47.644 --> 01:14:47.855
Okay.

01:14:48.605 --> 01:14:52.715
A well-placed shot,
um, in the ribs will

01:14:52.715 --> 01:14:54.365
probably be a through
and through shot.

01:14:54.695 --> 01:14:57.455
It's gonna, it's gonna,
you know, if, if you've

01:14:57.455 --> 01:15:02.764
got enough retain energy
that's in there, 180

01:15:02.764 --> 01:15:04.235
grain is going to push
right out the other

01:15:04.235 --> 01:15:05.495
side of a deer for sure.

01:15:05.724 --> 01:15:07.315
150, 165.

01:15:07.765 --> 01:15:12.275
Um, I did see a 150,
um, Nosler ballistic

01:15:12.275 --> 01:15:15.215
tip, uh, stayed in the
chest cavity of the

01:15:15.215 --> 01:15:16.684
deer, one that I shot.

01:15:17.460 --> 01:15:20.370
I gotta tell you when
it's deer, I shoot it

01:15:20.370 --> 01:15:23.340
in the neck, unless I'm
risking that I think I

01:15:23.340 --> 01:15:26.309
might, you know, knock
a great antler off of

01:15:26.309 --> 01:15:29.010
a good, you know, a
trophy type of head,

01:15:29.309 --> 01:15:32.340
but most, you know, if
we're hunting meat, cause

01:15:32.340 --> 01:15:37.050
there's really a lack
of, um, meat waste for

01:15:37.050 --> 01:15:41.220
an neck shot and, and
most of those standard

01:15:41.220 --> 01:15:43.950
calibres just, you know,
you're gonna, you get

01:15:44.010 --> 01:15:46.470
the ganglia, the, you
know, all the other

01:15:46.470 --> 01:15:48.330
stuff that's in the
neck, the processes in

01:15:48.330 --> 01:15:51.990
the neck, just make that
such an effective shot.

01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:53.360
Well.

01:15:53.570 --> 01:15:54.530
I say that.

01:15:55.280 --> 01:15:55.670
Yes.

01:15:56.670 --> 01:15:58.170
To answer the question,
I'm off track.

01:15:58.350 --> 01:16:00.810
I want the bullet to
transfer as much energy

01:16:00.810 --> 01:16:03.600
to the animal as possible
in the first instance.

01:16:03.630 --> 01:16:05.070
So you want it to
stop in the animal.

01:16:05.160 --> 01:16:07.530
I would like it to,
so if, if I'm making

01:16:07.530 --> 01:16:10.890
a, you know, um, uh,
a hilar type shot, you

01:16:10.890 --> 01:16:13.340
know, maybe forward of
the shoulder and, and

01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.510
yes, I definitely want
to have that happen

01:16:15.510 --> 01:16:16.740
because I want it all.

01:16:16.740 --> 01:16:18.810
I want, I'm firing into
those nerve clusters

01:16:18.810 --> 01:16:20.820
and the bunched up
portion that's going

01:16:20.820 --> 01:16:24.180
to bring on that, you
know, catastrophic drop

01:16:24.330 --> 01:16:25.320
that I want to achieve.

01:16:25.320 --> 01:16:25.470
Yeah.

01:16:25.500 --> 01:16:26.490
So that's going
to come from that.

01:16:27.540 --> 01:16:29.730
If I got too much and
that's going to come from

01:16:29.730 --> 01:16:32.509
combination of expansive
effect of the bullet and

01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.400
the energy and speed of
the bullets all there.

01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:37.470
If I got a little bit
too much speed, too

01:16:37.470 --> 01:16:39.840
much velocity on the
bullet it's going to

01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.660
blow through, then I got
the ability to track.

01:16:42.660 --> 01:16:44.610
And that typically
when you say you're

01:16:44.610 --> 01:16:46.890
already almost always
setting yourself up

01:16:46.890 --> 01:16:48.270
for failure, when you
say, well, I want to

01:16:48.270 --> 01:16:49.730
be able to track it.

01:16:52.370 --> 01:16:55.770
You see in Europe,
they actually pick

01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:57.270
different target areas.

01:16:57.660 --> 01:17:00.510
They consider certain
things to be inhumane.

01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:03.120
You know, uh, one of
those things being

01:17:03.120 --> 01:17:05.280
a neck shot, they
don't like that.

01:17:05.820 --> 01:17:08.730
Uh, we typically, when we
look at a broadside shot

01:17:08.730 --> 01:17:11.580
on an animal, we look
at a line going down the

01:17:11.580 --> 01:17:13.200
back leg of the animal.

01:17:13.320 --> 01:17:15.390
And then I would
always say up one third

01:17:15.390 --> 01:17:17.520
into the chest cavity
to get that lung,

01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:18.480
heart type location.

01:17:18.480 --> 01:17:20.970
Sorry, to be clear the
back of a front leg.

01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:21.930
The back of
the front leg.

01:17:21.930 --> 01:17:22.410
Is that what I said?

01:17:22.410 --> 01:17:22.630
Okay.

01:17:22.650 --> 01:17:24.410
So the, the back
of the front leg

01:17:24.410 --> 01:17:25.680
and the, that line.

01:17:26.040 --> 01:17:29.430
Europeans tend to look
at the front of the front

01:17:29.430 --> 01:17:32.340
leg and draw up into
there, which is that

01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.400
hilar response or the,
you know, that, that

01:17:35.430 --> 01:17:38.250
portion of the nerve
clusters and everything

01:17:38.250 --> 01:17:38.910
that are in there.

01:17:38.910 --> 01:17:40.640
And that's what they
tend to shoot for.

01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:43.070
And particularly when
you spot an animal,

01:17:43.070 --> 01:17:46.070
that's looking at you,
you get a really good

01:17:46.070 --> 01:17:49.040
presentation of that
frontal area that's there

01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:49.730
to make the shot up.

01:17:50.970 --> 01:17:51.990
Just one of those things.

01:17:52.050 --> 01:17:52.650
Interesting.

01:17:52.950 --> 01:17:53.310
Okay.

01:17:53.610 --> 01:17:55.760
We can talk more on
that, but, and it's

01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:59.360
really hard in a, a
verbal interaction.

01:17:59.360 --> 01:18:01.040
Like we're having to talk
about shot placement.

01:18:01.040 --> 01:18:03.020
We need pictures and
drawings and diagrams

01:18:03.020 --> 01:18:03.620
and everything else.

01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:05.110
I'll see if I can do
that on the website.

01:18:05.110 --> 01:18:06.920
Yeah, yeah, I guess,
but more importantly,

01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:10.070
we're talking about the
standard north American

01:18:10.070 --> 01:18:13.700
approach and like I
see by all means, never

01:18:13.700 --> 01:18:17.540
forget those standard
calibres look hard

01:18:17.540 --> 01:18:19.580
if you're concerned
about recoil and size

01:18:19.580 --> 01:18:22.430
of the firearm with
the 6.5 Creedmoor but

01:18:23.210 --> 01:18:26.570
let's not forget those
universal magnums.

01:18:27.730 --> 01:18:30.610
When properly loaded
are just fine for fairly

01:18:30.610 --> 01:18:33.490
close ranges, but when
it comes down to that

01:18:33.490 --> 01:18:37.210
400 yard shot, the retain
energy, the expansion

01:18:37.210 --> 01:18:40.360
of the bullet, man, you
know, that universal

01:18:40.360 --> 01:18:41.980
300 Winchester Magnum.

01:18:42.100 --> 01:18:45.340
If the recoil is not
an issue to you, that

01:18:45.430 --> 01:18:46.660
is a great cartridge.

01:18:47.140 --> 01:18:48.400
Great cartridge.

01:18:49.470 --> 01:18:51.210
Well, let's talk about
the next question.

01:18:51.300 --> 01:18:51.810
Okay.

01:18:52.080 --> 01:18:54.030
So last question
we have here.

01:18:54.060 --> 01:18:54.330
Oh.

01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:56.790
And it's to do
with shot placement

01:18:57.420 --> 01:18:59.370
and bear hunting.

01:18:59.430 --> 01:19:02.850
Bears will have their
fur and it will trap

01:19:02.850 --> 01:19:04.560
a lot of blood, make
it more difficult to

01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:06.990
track, and they're
a dangerous animal.

01:19:07.620 --> 01:19:11.190
So some people are
advocating for shooting

01:19:11.190 --> 01:19:13.740
the bear in the shoulder
and having a round

01:19:13.770 --> 01:19:16.620
that's heavy enough to
penetrate through that

01:19:16.620 --> 01:19:17.730
shoulder into the vitals.

01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:20.970
They said, sure we'll
lose some meat, but

01:19:20.970 --> 01:19:22.230
then I don't have
to track this bear.

01:19:22.620 --> 01:19:24.150
I don't have to worry
about having this thing,

01:19:24.150 --> 01:19:27.450
maybe not be able to find
it or having an angry

01:19:27.450 --> 01:19:28.560
bear when I do find it.

01:19:29.080 --> 01:19:30.410
Thoughts on that?

01:19:30.590 --> 01:19:35.300
No disrespect to black
bears, they taste good.

01:19:35.870 --> 01:19:37.790
They're wonderful animals
that are out there.

01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.390
I find them to be
a bit of a sissy.

01:19:42.710 --> 01:19:44.570
They are actually
one of the easier

01:19:44.570 --> 01:19:46.100
animals to go down.

01:19:47.210 --> 01:19:50.510
I still go back to, I
would rather put shot

01:19:50.510 --> 01:19:53.180
placement and energy
transference into it.

01:19:54.590 --> 01:20:01.670
I shot a black bear
at less than 60 with

01:20:01.700 --> 01:20:04.820
my, actually would
have been my 300

01:20:04.820 --> 01:20:06.179
Winchester short magnum.

01:20:07.440 --> 01:20:11.010
And that bullet went
in and I'm talking 65

01:20:11.010 --> 01:20:12.330
yards, so here's your
through and through.

01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.900
That bullet went in, uh,
made a perfect entry hole

01:20:15.900 --> 01:20:20.130
of, you know, 30 calibre
and made an exit of

01:20:20.130 --> 01:20:22.440
about oh 8 inch calibre.

01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:24.960
It blew a big
three-quarter hole right

01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.150
out the other side of
the bears, rib cage.

01:20:27.180 --> 01:20:29.430
I mean, went through the
heart and everything else

01:20:29.430 --> 01:20:31.560
that bullet just carried
everything out with it,

01:20:32.040 --> 01:20:36.300
that bear, like they do,
and I see bears as they

01:20:36.300 --> 01:20:38.700
will immediately turn
around and this black

01:20:38.700 --> 01:20:41.610
bear was biting at that
exit wound, weird enough

01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:44.390
and then turned and bit
at the entrance wound

01:20:44.390 --> 01:20:45.900
and then it was dead.

01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.160
Bears when they take
off, if they're wounded,

01:20:52.210 --> 01:20:55.040
usually take off at a
very high rate of speed.

01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.970
They leave a pretty good
bear trail that you can

01:20:58.970 --> 01:21:00.650
follow, whether there's
blood in it or not.

01:21:02.190 --> 01:21:04.260
Uh, one of the things
that I see it always,

01:21:04.260 --> 01:21:05.820
you get to where you've
actually shot at the

01:21:05.820 --> 01:21:07.380
bear you get down low
and there's, I always

01:21:07.380 --> 01:21:09.750
say if it's tight
cover, there's a tunnel.

01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:11.430
You can just see,
they just clear

01:21:11.430 --> 01:21:13.770
out a tunnel in the
direction they went.

01:21:15.990 --> 01:21:17.910
Does it make it
easier than to track

01:21:17.910 --> 01:21:18.600
if they're bleeding?

01:21:18.660 --> 01:21:19.380
I don't think so.

01:21:19.380 --> 01:21:21.240
I think it's all
about shot placement.

01:21:21.270 --> 01:21:23.450
I just, I got a
default back to this.

01:21:23.450 --> 01:21:23.570
Right.

01:21:23.570 --> 01:21:24.059
So it's.

01:21:24.139 --> 01:21:27.480
I, I wouldn't, I would
in a, in an imminent bear

01:21:27.480 --> 01:21:30.270
attack, I would shoot for
the shoulders absolutely.

01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:34.950
I want to plant that
bear or, or break its

01:21:34.950 --> 01:21:37.150
legs so that the wheels
are gone and it, and

01:21:37.180 --> 01:21:38.110
it  can't come on me.

01:21:38.110 --> 01:21:40.710
I I'm all about that,
but if I'm going

01:21:40.710 --> 01:21:43.119
to hunt the animal,
I want to, I want.

01:21:43.360 --> 01:21:43.709
Want some Meat.

01:21:43.709 --> 01:21:44.300
To drop it.

01:21:44.430 --> 01:21:44.670
Hey?

01:21:44.830 --> 01:21:46.260
I want the meat,
I want to drop it.

01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:48.750
And again, that's
where the hunting part

01:21:48.750 --> 01:21:49.800
of this comes into.

01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:54.450
We always say, do I want
an adrenaline charged

01:21:54.450 --> 01:21:55.480
animal for the table?

01:21:55.650 --> 01:21:55.929
Never.

01:21:55.929 --> 01:21:56.309
No.

01:21:56.620 --> 01:21:57.070
Never.

01:21:57.120 --> 01:21:57.420
Right.

01:21:57.510 --> 01:21:59.340
I want to get that
animal while it's,

01:21:59.340 --> 01:22:01.215
you know, relaxed.

01:22:01.695 --> 01:22:03.615
You know, eating,
grazing, doing

01:22:03.615 --> 01:22:04.485
whatever it is.

01:22:04.485 --> 01:22:06.525
And you know, and even
if it's a bear, I don't

01:22:06.525 --> 01:22:09.165
want, I don't want to
jack the animal up.

01:22:09.165 --> 01:22:11.535
So the chance of getting
in their spot and being

01:22:11.535 --> 01:22:13.995
a little bit patient, let
him change his position.

01:22:16.005 --> 01:22:17.865
If it's a bear that
it's not going to

01:22:17.865 --> 01:22:19.665
give you, you know,
you're able to take it.

01:22:19.665 --> 01:22:20.715
You feel good
about the shot.

01:22:20.715 --> 01:22:22.815
It's not the best
shot, maybe are

01:22:22.815 --> 01:22:23.425
going to have to try.

01:22:23.445 --> 01:22:25.515
But we should never think
that we want the quick

01:22:25.515 --> 01:22:26.865
kill, not the slow kill.

01:22:26.925 --> 01:22:28.845
Remember a bullet
can also kill through

01:22:28.845 --> 01:22:29.505
blood poisoning.

01:22:30.905 --> 01:22:32.225
That'd be a very slow.

01:22:32.405 --> 01:22:32.855
Right.

01:22:33.335 --> 01:22:35.635
And, and again, a lot
of, you know, a, a

01:22:35.645 --> 01:22:37.955
poorly placed shot,
a gut shot, and that

01:22:37.955 --> 01:22:41.015
animal can go a day
or two before it dies.

01:22:41.585 --> 01:22:46.695
So, no you want enough
gun for what you're

01:22:46.695 --> 01:22:47.505
shooting as well.

01:22:48.645 --> 01:22:51.075
And like I say, if
you can satisfy that

01:22:51.075 --> 01:22:52.545
the 6.5 is that gun.

01:22:52.665 --> 01:22:57.195
It, that's probably, you
know, in 25 years when,

01:22:57.525 --> 01:22:59.415
you know, two other guys
are sitting here, but

01:22:59.535 --> 01:23:01.455
they'll only have little
tiny microphones that

01:23:01.455 --> 01:23:04.365
are the size of a grain
of rice and they won't

01:23:04.365 --> 01:23:05.315
even have headphones on.

01:23:05.315 --> 01:23:06.375
It'll be implanted
in their head.

01:23:06.375 --> 01:23:07.845
But there'll be talking
about, you know,

01:23:08.235 --> 01:23:12.075
providing the, uh, no,
let's not say it, but you

01:23:12.075 --> 01:23:13.815
know, providing hunting
is still something

01:23:13.815 --> 01:23:14.745
that people can do.

01:23:15.135 --> 01:23:16.995
You know, there'll be
something again for

01:23:16.995 --> 01:23:18.645
them to talk about and
there'll be talking

01:23:18.645 --> 01:23:20.235
about, yeah when I
started, I had the

01:23:20.235 --> 01:23:23.565
6.5, you know, boy,
it was great, but now

01:23:23.565 --> 01:23:25.210
I'm shooting whatever.

01:23:25.240 --> 01:23:25.750
Whatever.

01:23:26.620 --> 01:23:27.160
All right.

01:23:27.190 --> 01:23:28.809
Well, does that
get most of the

01:23:28.809 --> 01:23:29.900
information out that?

01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:30.219
I don't know.

01:23:30.330 --> 01:23:32.130
Probably way more
information that you

01:23:32.130 --> 01:23:34.410
wanted to put out,
but we're always open

01:23:34.410 --> 01:23:36.929
to question here at
Silvercore I hear.

01:23:37.049 --> 01:23:39.320
And that is the beauty
about being a Silvercore

01:23:39.339 --> 01:23:42.120
Club member is you
guys get preferential

01:23:42.120 --> 01:23:44.170
treatment for any
questions coming through.

01:23:44.190 --> 01:23:44.460
Right.

01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:46.679
So we can blog those,
you know, we can put

01:23:46.679 --> 01:23:48.389
them in writing and
we can answer them.

01:23:48.780 --> 01:23:50.400
We getcha thinking here.

01:23:50.849 --> 01:23:54.570
I really, like I say,
continually, how many

01:23:54.570 --> 01:23:56.799
people have I taught
the Canadian Firearm

01:23:56.849 --> 01:23:59.309
Safety course to who,
you know, say, I want

01:23:59.309 --> 01:24:00.089
to get into hunting.

01:24:00.089 --> 01:24:01.349
How many people have
I taught the CORE

01:24:01.349 --> 01:24:03.420
program to, I want
to get into hunting.

01:24:03.660 --> 01:24:05.400
And it's always
the same question.

01:24:05.549 --> 01:24:06.570
It's always the same.

01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:07.580
Do I get a 308?

01:24:07.580 --> 01:24:09.280
Do I get a 30-06?

01:24:09.299 --> 01:24:12.110
You know, you know,
and, and really it's

01:24:13.830 --> 01:24:15.040
those standard calibres.

01:24:15.059 --> 01:24:15.900
You can't go wrong.

01:24:16.290 --> 01:24:19.410
Manageable recoil,
performance down range.

01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:21.450
You're good.

01:24:21.599 --> 01:24:22.110
You're good.

01:24:22.530 --> 01:24:23.940
And then when you
kind of get, you

01:24:23.940 --> 01:24:25.049
know, the addiction.

01:24:26.849 --> 01:24:28.080
Start looking at
the other stuff.

01:24:28.549 --> 01:24:31.460
Paul, thank you very
much for sharing your

01:24:31.460 --> 01:24:33.349
knowledge with us on
The Silvercore Podcast.

01:24:33.589 --> 01:24:34.549
That was my pleasure.

01:24:34.549 --> 01:24:36.559
And we'll, what's
coming next?

01:24:36.900 --> 01:24:37.330
Ooo.

01:24:38.150 --> 01:24:40.400
Why don't we get the
listeners to let us

01:24:40.400 --> 01:24:41.240
know what they'dlike
to hear next?

01:24:41.240 --> 01:24:41.300
Yeah.

01:24:41.300 --> 01:24:43.070
Would you like to hear
something maybe about,

01:24:43.219 --> 01:24:46.219
uh, getting yourself
ready for your first

01:24:46.219 --> 01:24:49.129
self guided fly in
Northern adventure?

01:24:49.280 --> 01:24:49.849
Ooh.

01:24:49.940 --> 01:24:50.780
That could be something.

01:24:50.870 --> 01:24:51.500
That sounds good.

01:24:51.500 --> 01:24:52.250
We can talk about that.

01:24:52.339 --> 01:24:53.420
And you got a lot
of pictures we could

01:24:53.420 --> 01:24:54.110
throw up as well.

01:24:54.110 --> 01:24:54.210
Yeah!

01:24:54.589 --> 01:24:55.230
Dig those out.

01:24:55.230 --> 01:24:55.620
Yeah, yeah.

01:24:55.620 --> 01:24:55.969
Okay.

01:24:57.219 --> 01:25:07.459
That'd be fun.

01:25:07.879 --> 01:25:10.700
All right.