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You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,

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would you? Welcome to Primary Technology,

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the show about the tech news that matters.

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I was twenty-seven beta three is out with
some interesting changes.

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Microsoft had some major layoffs,

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including big ones from the Xbox division.

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Samsung announced Unpacked, Pixel Eleven
launches announced,

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Netflix is doing shorts, and I'm wearing
the meta glasses.

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We're gonna talk about those. This episode
is brought to you by Framer,

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the members who support us directly.

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I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,

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joined by Apple TV famous actor,

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Jason Ayton. How's it going, Jason?

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Wait a minute, I wasn't acting,

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it was a reality show.

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you were to always a re excuse me,

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reality show. Listen. N I don't know I
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Just wanna be clear.

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who might be listening or watching,

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but those reality shows, they're a little
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But here's the thing, I don't want anybody
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I'm not a member of SAG After or whatever,

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so I don't want anyone to come after me
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~ I see, sure. Fair

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enough, fair enough. Jason literally was
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Not featured. He appeared.

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Stop. I walked through

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the background of a shot.

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We'll get to all right, we'll get to it
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a picture that I gotta show everybody.

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But did you know where that quote came
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You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,

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would you? It's it's not very well known.

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Well, here's the thing. I think it's a
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Maybe ~ it is.

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I think the Joker says that. But

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Yeah, you nailed it again. Yes,

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that's right.

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I also first I first thought it was a
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Because I'm pretty sure he quotes that in
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No. ~ maybe,

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Well hold on, you should look.

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I th but I think the the correct answer is
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maybe.

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It's the Jack Nichols Nicholson Joker,

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That is you're correct. That is correct.

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right? Yeah. Yeah. You also sort of said
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It is from the original Batman Michael
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I was trying to give you a little hint.

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I mean it's it seemed kind of vague at
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but yeah. You wouldn't hit a guy with
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I'm wearing the meta glasses right now.

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I got thoughts. Other people have thoughts
about me having meta glasses.

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We're gonna I want to get to all of that
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That's what I really wanna hear actually,

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~ yes,

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is just the could you just collect all
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can it cause the glasses are just always
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No, just kidding. But meta might be making
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We'll get to too.

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Two quick five star review shout outs.

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DJ Eston thirty-one from Canada,

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which says that's we're fantastic.

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Thank you. And of all the tech podcasts
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this is the most recent. Thank you for
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I don't know that that's actually a raving
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That just means that he listened to our
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he says fantastic. Yes.

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That's correct. That's correct.

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That's all that means.

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That's what he did. And now this was a
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but I want to mention it. ~ Burbank from
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but was struggling with the volume level.

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And listen, ~ this is the whole team of
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It's me and Jason. We do the whole thing.

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I edit the show twice because we do video
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and it's really tough to obsess about
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in Apple Podcasts for a variety of
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Anyway, let me know how this one sounds,

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because I'm gonna do something different
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and if it makes a significant difference,

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then I will continue to do it,

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which will probably add

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but I will do it because I want everybody
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So let me know. I'm gonna try something
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I'm gonna try it.

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though it's fun that Steven edits this
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for the fact that I edit it zero times.

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I edited once for both of us and it

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counts it all. All right, you were in
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which is hilarious.

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one does when you're an American,

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you fly across the pond.

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What's a kilometer? Anyway, and then you
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this photo, which is from the Apple TV
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to re-watch this, what would they watch to
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If you go to Apple T V, the the Formula
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because you now get this for free if you
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right? ~ I believe this was before ~ it
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That's right. That's right.

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it was either the Sprint race or
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It was not the actual race. I will find
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or something and you can put it But ~ so I
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I realized I'm walking behind this is you
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this is the sky cr or the Formula One team
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So I I'm walking out to shoot.

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As you can see, I'm carrying a camera and
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That's what the listen, that thing you
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but that's what lets you basically go
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No, I know, I know.

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So I'm walking and all of a sudden I
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They're probably like 'cause they're
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be standing there talking with a camera
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not actually being broadcast? So I was
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Yeah, I'm definitely gonna send that to my
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did did it seem like it like before the
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like it was at the beginning?

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I'm gonna find I'll find the link.

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I believe that this was the very beginning
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I'll find the Apple T V link to this
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it in the show notes so you can all watch
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It's really not that exciting at all.

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I find it very exciting.

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exciting things that happened.

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Billy Jean King was there. Do you know who
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Stephen. She's like won s Wimbledon
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I don't know who that is.

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Like six of those as a as a singles and
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as a doubles as a partner, doubles
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Okay, that's very I did not know that.

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But Billy Jean King, she's like one of the
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Anyway, there's a lot of other people.

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I'll put the official I'll put the
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Harrison Barnes. Do you know who Harrison
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Basketball player? Yeah, 'cause you don't
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Jason? You can make me look I don't
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put the official website of Billy Jean
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Okay. Great. Anyway, it was a lot of fun.

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How about that? Okay? I'm gonna do that.

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That's very cool. And it is.

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So Silverstone is a pretty iconic race.

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first Formula One race, and so the British
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Did you do anything on July fourth that
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Yeah, I went to a barbecue, which as you
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in England. I don't and anyway so the
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I'm surprised they allow that.

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I am too, but it was in the paddock.

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I'm surprised they Okay.

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The Cadillac team threw a barbecue in
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It was great. I did get some people who
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That's not a barbecue. It is a barbecue.

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Just to be clear listen,

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If you're from Tennessee, we love you,

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that's not how you sound. Jason's just
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that's not a barbecue. No tennis

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even worse. Yeah.

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A barbecue just means that you cook meat
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That's literally what the word barbecue
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I think you just made one hundred enemies,

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Look it up. It was really funny because
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I'm not looking it up.

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They're like, Merriam Webster disagrees,

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and then they sent me the photo of Merriam
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What's a barbecue? I'm asking Siri AI.

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Hold on. This is gonna Just give just give
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I appreciate it. I

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A barbecue is an outdoor social gathering
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or grill. The term also refers to the
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smoked meat served at these events.

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Siri AI agrees. Yeah,

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So most people only think about the last
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yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure.

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like that. I'm like, no, that's anyway,

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they had a barbecue, it was hot dogs,

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burgers. It was quite the spread.

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They even had like the frozen pops like
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the like push pops, the ones that you you
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a bunch of liquid in a warm bag and then
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and they become a popsicle and every kid
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Yeah, they had all that stuff.

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They had Budweiser, you know, it doesn't
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~ America. What's a kilometer exactly?

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It was I posted a short little video to
threads of the whole experience

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and I think it might be the most liked
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It is like six hundred likes just from a
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in the paddock. And but I I did get some
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You know that team is terrible.

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I'm like, I don't care and people are
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Yeah. Enjoy let me enjoy my freedom and
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They're not the only American team.

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I'm like, I don't care. They threw a
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it's free burgers and hot dogs and good
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It does not get any more Fourth of July
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That's all right, that's it. We're gonna
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~ because I wore these glasses to the July
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And you can't measure freedom in meters.

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But anyway, let's talk about I was No,

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Which none of those words actually go
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they don't. Now we said something we're
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We're gonna talk about iOS twenty seven
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I've been holding out installing the beta
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I've had it on all my side devices,

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We're both gonna put it on our main iPhone
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You got yours ready? Are you gonna do it?

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It's ready to go.

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All right, I'm gonna do it right here.

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Hold on, let me go to the software update.

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I probably should have done this before.

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I'm way more ready than you are.

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You're way more ready. Cause I didn't even
have it on the developer beta thing,

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because I was like, this is probably gonna
bork my smart home.

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I'm not gonna be able to control any of my
devices.

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~ See the stakes

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are very low for me. I don't have any of
those th I have like two shortcuts that

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See.

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run and if they don't, I don't care.

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See, well, I'll still have my main Mac
Studio is not gonna be on.

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I can't, I'm not gonna put that on the
beta.

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I'm not gonna do that till this fall.

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Well, let's do it. We're gonna update our
main daily driver iPhones to

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Okay.

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iOS 27 beta 3. You ready? See,

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I gotta put my passcode in, so hang on.

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Yep. No, you're gonna have to put your
passcode in too.

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I would now I'm ready. Okay. What's a
kilometer?

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Yes. Yeah,

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to do the update. Wait, did you already pr
did you already press the update now?

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I just did. Yep, go.

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Update now. yeah, you're right.

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I do gotta put in my passcode.

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You're right. Hold on.

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And then you gotta

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agree to the terms. Okay. Now it's now the
update is requested.

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I gotta read the terms. did I read them?

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No, no one reads them.

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And now hang on, while you're doing that,

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I'm gonna go ahead and update my Mac too.

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Yeah, while we record, thank you.

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All Well, I'm updating IO

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twenty seven beta three on my main iPhone
as we speak.

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Because I mean, chances are if you look at
the public beta release cycle,

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it's likely coming out pretty soon.

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If you were waiting for the public beta,

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it's it's probably coming. So beta three
came out this past Monday,

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and there's been some interesting
developments.

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Number one, a huge win for the shortcuts
team.

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You can now go into the shortcuts,

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you can there's a toggle now where you can
say,

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Good take me straight to the editor.

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The actions rather than having to go to
the describe a shortcut

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by default every time you tap a shortcut.

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I am taking full credit for this because I
requested it day one of dub dub.

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I saw somebody, I grabbed him by the
collar,

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I said, Listen, I need a toggle.

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I need to be able to just go straight to
the actions view,

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and now you can do that. So in beta three.

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So wait, what you're saying is that the

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Yes.

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the IOS twenty seven default was that if
you wanted to make a new shortcut,

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you had to tell it what you wanted it to
do.

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You couldn't just go in the way you've
been able to do forever and just start
making

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one.

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You could do that, but you always had to
tap the little editor.

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And even if you went into a shortcut that
you had built previously,

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like one of my 1500, it would go to the
describe a shortcut scene or like page

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by default rather than show me the actions
of the shortcut that I

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had built years ago. And my method of
working,

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I always want to go to the editor,

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which is what Apple calls it, or the
actions view.

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And so now in beta three, you'll see there
is a page.

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If you go to settings, apps, shortcuts.

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You can say bring me to the editor by
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or if you want to go to the describe a
shortcut by default,

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you can do that. So I am very thankful
that that is there.

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There is also a rather ominous restore
button that

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tells you 731 shortcuts on this device
aren't currently in your library.

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I don't know exactly what that means,

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and I'm terrified to press it.

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Federico Vittici said that it basically
took all of his shortcuts that weren't

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in a folder.

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and kind of re-added them. So I'm not
pressing that restore button.

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I would not recommend doing that.

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~ but it's there if that's the thing you
want.

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But it's huge win. Huge win.

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There

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there is a tendency that of Apple,

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not just Apple, but that's the one I'm
most familiar with,

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of giving you something like that that
might very well be extremely useful,

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but you're like, I have no idea what
they're trying to tell me.

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What does restore mean? What does it mean
that these things are not there

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are seven hundred on this device that are
not in my library or that

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are in my library but are not like I don't
know what you're trying to tell

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I don't like that. Yeah, I know.

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me and I don't know if I should push this
button or not.

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And I feel like I've come across that over
the last ten years enough times that

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I feel like they just need a copy editor.

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Someone who can look at this and be like,

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Mm.

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We need to use words that people will
understand.

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I think that's a good idea because that
that button is cure.

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Yeah. Call me Apple. I'm happy to help.

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There you go. And Jason writes,

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~ we need to talk about I need to get your
take on the reminders icon in a moment.

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But the other interesting development is
it looks like Siri AI is starting

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to look into third-party apps.

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And the one place that it seems it's doing
that consistently is with

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EV device charging. And so if you're on
beta three and you ask it,

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what's the charge on my car?

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You will get wildly different results.

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Sometimes it'll tell you, sometimes it
won't,

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but it might. And so I did it on my iPhone
Air.

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And what it showed me was a dropdown that
said,

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I asked, like, what's the charge of my
car?

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And in the notification, it says,

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I'll need to access your Tesla data to use
the app.

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Is that okay? A yes or no toggle,

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which I was like, for sure. Go get it.

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And then it says error. Sorry,

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we can't do that.

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So this is the very beginning stages of
this.

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One, it will be interesting because I
don't think there was an update

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to the Tesla app that somehow allowed
this.

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So it seems like maybe because it has an
app intense,

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you know, there are Tesla shortcuts
actions and there's app intense.

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Maybe just out of the box, Siri AI will be
able to look at that information

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and get it. But that's very exciting
because once Siri AI can look into
third-party

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apps, that opens

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A world of possibilities for pulling data
hopefully from things like your Gmail,

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which probably doesn't have app intense
right now,

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but an Outlook and all the third party
apps that people are like,

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will this actually work with Siri AI?

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So hopeful. I'm optimistic. Maybe.

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Maybe.

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Maybe.

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Because

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just to be clear, this story is like we
don't know like it may never work with

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Tesla. The fact that that prompt said that
is just because it knew you had

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an app on your phone that was an EV app.

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So like I don't know that that this is a
function of Siri being able

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to look into those third party apps.

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It obviously requires those third party
apps to decide that they want

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you to do that. And this is the the only
reason I mentioned this is this

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is the kind of story where

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Someone came across the thing and then
drew some conclusions and then wrote a
story.

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Yes. Yes.

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But we actually don't actually we have no
idea what this means.

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We don't we don't know whether third party
apps are are we're any closer.

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We have no idea, and Apple has not said
anything.

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And the reason I make mention this is you
could read the story and think,

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this is cool. Apple is doing the proactive
thing of just using your phone for you,

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essentially, looking into stuff.

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I don't think that that's what that this
means.

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It might.

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I don't think we can draw that conclusion.

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I think what this might mean is like at
some point,

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if an app decides that it's going to do
this,

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then Siri w will be able to do it the way
that it can with first party apps.

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But there's a lot of steps that have to
happen there.

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And I don't know that like Tesla so far
has shortcuts.

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Yes, that's great. Will it also allow you
to just ask Cere,

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what's my charge level app? I don't I
don't know.

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I don't know.

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Well

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in in in the nine to five Max story that
I'll link below,

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there's a tweet from Max Weinbach where he
got it to tell it

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him the charge percentage. So he was able
to get Siri AI to show

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a little circle with the car charge,

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the percentage of the battery,

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and how many miles are left on the range.

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Now

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But not with his Tesla app. It was with a
different third party app.

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Yes. There's a separate app called Tessi
that it did work with.

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Was it with a different third party app?

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So

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interesting.

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Okay, yes, that is a wrinkle. That is a
wrinkle.

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We'll have to see.

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Now, someone also

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said it was working with the Ford app.

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Again, what I'm trying to say here is like
I don't think that Siri has taken

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a leap forward where it is able to just go
into an app and do that unless those

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developers have either said we're in.

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And right even if they do, keep in mind,

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Right.

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they may not they're not using iOS twenty
seven frameworks

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and APIs and whatever in their currently
publicly released versions.

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Like you can't ship

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Right.

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a version of an app using this stuff yet.

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Trust me, I've I've I haven't tried,

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Right.

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but like I very quickly came across like,

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Ha ha.

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shoot, I have to be careful about how I do
this 'cause if I'm using something that

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requires twenty s anyway. So I don't know.

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I think it's cool and I think it's
encouraging.

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I just was like there's a conclusion drawn
from this that that you could make that

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I don't think you should make.

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That's all I'm trying to say.

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Okay.

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Well, we will ~ I'm cautiously optimistic,

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but yes, we have to see. And I think come
once the iPhone is launched and

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we get the iOS twenty seven release date,

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that is when you hear from a lot of app
developers to be like,

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hey, we'll be there on day one.

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Because look at that. Look all right,

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I'll be there on day one. You can use C to
do anything you want in my apps.

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Yep.

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well look at that. There you go.

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And one I I need to get your professional
opinion on one other thing

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in this beta three. Apple changed the
reminders icon to go from a solid circle

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on the left of three little lines of the
old reminders icon to now three fruit
loops

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on the new reminders icon. And that
listen,

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this is tweet went out it got out there,

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it broke containment. A lot of people had
thoughts on it.

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A lot of people said they loved it.

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I I need to know how you feel about this,

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Jason.

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I don't really know the last time I looked
at the reminders icon.

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I never I never see it. I don't care.

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Okay.

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This is who cares? Like what's bad about
it?

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No, no, no, but you got

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I don't I don't know if it's bad it looks
a little cl they inverted it.

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They just inverted it. Literally they took
the dark part

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and made it the light part and they took
the light part and made it the dark part.

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That's all they did.

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I don't know if it looks a little like
clowny,

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like clown s c I don't know.

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Something about it.

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In the sc in the in the thread that we're
looking at on our screen,

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Yes. That's right. I will link it in the
show notes.

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which is very small, there's a screenshot
of two icons that are very small,

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Yes. Yes.

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and yet they're still a thousand times
bigger than anyone will ever

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see them on their device. Okay.

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I know I know that. No,

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I know I'm the grump. I I'm not being
cranky about it.

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I'm just saying I don't know why I don't
know.

477
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no, no, just curious.

478
00:18:02,087 --> 00:18:05,029
Like do you look at the reminders icon
very often?

479
00:18:06,061 --> 00:18:09,843
~ I do that's where I have my video
planning and personal tasks.

480
00:18:09,843 --> 00:18:12,104
I know I I do actually have it on my home
screen,

481
00:18:12,104 --> 00:18:15,215
so I do look at it a lot. Mm maybe it'll
look fine.

482
00:18:12,241 --> 00:18:13,882
Okay. Okay.

483
00:18:15,215 --> 00:18:18,497
Well I'm I'm I'm installing the beta right
now on my main iPhone,

484
00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:21,648
so I'll let you know how it feels looking
at it every day.

485
00:18:19,579 --> 00:18:20,579
How you feel it?

486
00:18:21,648 --> 00:18:25,350
I think I just A interesting design
choice.

487
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:31,583
B interesting to change the icon design on
beta three and not beta one.

488
00:18:32,427 --> 00:18:34,108
Because obviously there was a bunch of
design changes,

489
00:18:34,108 --> 00:18:35,964
I was twenty seven with all the liquid
glass stuff.

490
00:18:35,964 --> 00:18:39,241
You got the slider and corner radii on the
Mac,

491
00:18:39,241 --> 00:18:41,887
like all these things, and then the
reminders icon just changes beta three.

492
00:18:41,509 --> 00:18:42,509
Okay, well

493
00:18:41,950 --> 00:18:44,623
that part doesn't surprise me at all
because the team that works in Reminders

494
00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:47,016
is not the same team that's working on IOS
twenty seven.

495
00:18:47,016 --> 00:18:52,963
So the the their d their deadline for
shipping is just release date,

496
00:18:48,545 --> 00:18:49,652
Sure ~ sure.

497
00:18:52,963 --> 00:18:54,135
right? So yeah.

498
00:18:53,163 --> 00:18:54,203
Whenever. Yeah,

499
00:18:54,203 --> 00:18:55,203
that's fair. Okay, that's fair.

500
00:18:55,154 --> 00:18:57,295
All right, the last thing I want to say
about iOS twenty-seven,

501
00:18:57,295 --> 00:18:59,956
this is kind of an unfortunate turn of
events.

502
00:18:59,956 --> 00:19:03,317
The Apple home updates for Home Kit Secure
Video,

503
00:19:03,317 --> 00:19:06,178
we've talked about it. I did a video on it
on my channel.

504
00:19:06,178 --> 00:19:12,161
They're gonna be behind the two terabyte
iCloud Plus subscription paywall

505
00:19:12,181 --> 00:19:17,453
or Apple One premiere bundle. Meaning
things like the the notifications that
will

506
00:19:17,453 --> 00:19:20,464
be more streamlined so you don't get 1,000
notifications when people go

507
00:19:20,464 --> 00:19:22,065
in and out of the door. The

508
00:19:22,540 --> 00:19:25,272
Descriptions for video, natural language
descriptions,

509
00:19:25,272 --> 00:19:28,074
that natural language searching of your
video recordings.

510
00:19:28,074 --> 00:19:31,736
A lot of this is going to be behind that
higher tier iCloud account,

511
00:19:31,736 --> 00:19:34,077
which I think is unfortunate. Now
previously,

512
00:19:34,077 --> 00:19:36,069
just to use HomeKit Secure Video,

513
00:19:36,069 --> 00:19:37,940
you needed to pay for iCloud Plus.

514
00:19:37,940 --> 00:19:40,121
So this HomeKit Secure Video was never a
free,

515
00:19:40,121 --> 00:19:44,054
quote unquote free feature, but you would
have it if you even if you were only

516
00:19:44,054 --> 00:19:46,605
on the 200 gig iCloud storage plan.

517
00:19:46,605 --> 00:19:48,757
But now for these other features,

518
00:19:48,757 --> 00:19:51,979
you're gonna have to go to the higher
tiers for iCloud Plus storage.

519
00:19:52,565 --> 00:19:54,701
I think that's just kinda it's kinda meh.

520
00:19:54,701 --> 00:19:58,001
Like I wish it wasn't gated behind the
higher tiers.

521
00:19:58,001 --> 00:19:59,175
That's all.

522
00:19:58,779 --> 00:19:59,779
But there's

523
00:19:59,484 --> 00:20:00,844
an actual cost with this though.

524
00:20:02,206 --> 00:20:03,206
Is there?

525
00:20:04,197 --> 00:20:08,371
Aren't they storing all of this secure vi
home kit secure video?

526
00:20:07,863 --> 00:20:08,863
Well that's what I'm saying.

527
00:20:08,603 --> 00:20:10,844
I'm not saying don't charge for the Home
Kit Secure video at all.

528
00:20:10,844 --> 00:20:13,405
They already were. You already had to pay
for iCloud storage

529
00:20:13,405 --> 00:20:16,475
for HomeKit Secure Video. But now if you
were only on the two hundred

530
00:20:16,475 --> 00:20:19,976
gig iCloud storage plan, you don't get
these new features.

531
00:20:19,976 --> 00:20:22,437
You won't get the Apple intelligence
summaries,

532
00:20:22,437 --> 00:20:25,418
the natural language search, the better
notifications.

533
00:20:25,418 --> 00:20:27,738
Now you have to upgrade even higher for
that.

534
00:20:27,738 --> 00:20:32,280
Even though I you know, I don't know if
this is happening on device or in the
cloud.

535
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,921
I have a feeling the notifications stuff
is probably on device.

536
00:20:37,975 --> 00:20:40,857
To streamline that stuff, but I don't
know.

537
00:20:40,857 --> 00:20:43,549
It feels a little like, ~ I don't like
that.

538
00:20:43,823 --> 00:20:49,423
~ and I mean, I guess it's seems weird
because iCloud plus

539
00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:54,552
all of the other features are the same.

540
00:20:54,552 --> 00:20:56,896
that true? Across

541
00:20:56,781 --> 00:20:57,781
For the

542
00:20:57,984 --> 00:20:59,449
yeah, you get like private relay,

543
00:20:59,449 --> 00:21:01,956
hide my email. I think you get all of
that.

544
00:21:01,189 --> 00:21:03,131
Family sharing, Apple invites,

545
00:21:01,956 --> 00:21:03,561
Yeah.

546
00:21:04,092 --> 00:21:06,533
~ so all of those are the same no matter
what.

547
00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:09,706
So none of the other features have been
gated based on how much storage you're

548
00:21:09,706 --> 00:21:13,299
paying for. So it does feel sort of weird
that now suddenly you have to be paying.

549
00:21:13,299 --> 00:21:16,692
Whereas if it's like, well, if the ten
ninety or the nine ninety nine dollar

550
00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:21,776
a month, nine ninety nine a month plan
included other features that were
distinct.

551
00:21:21,776 --> 00:21:24,238
I mean it does actually now. It includes
unlimited cameras where

552
00:21:24,238 --> 00:21:26,850
the other plans don't include unlimited
cameras.

553
00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:28,292
So there already is a distinction there.

554
00:21:26,956 --> 00:21:27,956
Correct.

555
00:21:28,292 --> 00:21:29,292
So I don't know.

556
00:21:29,892 --> 00:21:31,743
Yeah, I mean I don't use HomeKit secure
camera,

557
00:21:30,164 --> 00:21:31,164
Yeah.

558
00:21:31,743 --> 00:21:33,824
so it's it's hard to get worked up about.

559
00:21:33,824 --> 00:21:36,715
But I do understand philosophically that
Apple has these

560
00:21:34,188 --> 00:21:35,188
Mm.

561
00:21:36,715 --> 00:21:39,556
two subscription bundle things.

562
00:21:39,556 --> 00:21:42,577
Apple one and this iCloud Plus,

563
00:21:42,577 --> 00:21:44,898
and it's like, well, we don't need a third
one.

564
00:21:44,898 --> 00:21:49,200
So we just have to dump it into this and
some so it's just not gonna quite make

565
00:21:46,506 --> 00:21:47,506
Yeah.

566
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,602
sense. I I agree. So but you're already
paying for two terabytes,

567
00:21:49,824 --> 00:21:51,697
That is true. That is true.

568
00:21:52,602 --> 00:21:58,004
right? I mean, you're at least paying for
two terabytes is what I'm saying,

569
00:21:53,996 --> 00:21:54,996
Jason.

570
00:21:58,004 --> 00:21:59,004
right?

571
00:21:58,292 --> 00:21:59,292
~

572
00:21:58,632 --> 00:22:01,915
at least, yes. Now wait a minute,

573
00:21:59,298 --> 00:22:00,849
Right. So it's not a problem for you.

574
00:22:00,849 --> 00:22:01,849
You got this.

575
00:22:01,915 --> 00:22:03,717
let's I don't know if we've ever covered
this on the show.

576
00:22:03,717 --> 00:22:07,690
I mean you you pay you pay for four
terabytes?

577
00:22:04,826 --> 00:22:07,830
Four. I pay for four. I have

578
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:10,250
the two terabytes with the Apple One and
then I pay for two terabytes.

579
00:22:10,858 --> 00:22:13,203
And you pay for the Apple One premiere for
your family?

580
00:22:15,076 --> 00:22:19,385
Y sh I think so. I pay for the whatever
the one that includes yes,

581
00:22:19,385 --> 00:22:22,902
all of it. It's like thirty seven dollars,

582
00:22:20,244 --> 00:22:21,761
I don't wanna I don't wanna say it.

583
00:22:22,902 --> 00:22:26,670
right? For the Apple One Premier Plus Max
Pro bundle.

584
00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:26,751
Yes. Yes. It's it's

585
00:22:26,751 --> 00:22:29,423
Apple One Premier is the thirty-eight
dollars a month.

586
00:22:29,423 --> 00:22:32,765
And you you get all the things plus the
two terabytes of iCloud.

587
00:22:29,496 --> 00:22:30,496
I think that's what I'm paying for.

588
00:22:32,765 --> 00:22:34,976
This and I I'll just I'll just show this,

589
00:22:34,976 --> 00:22:36,447
flash it on screen for a second.

590
00:22:36,447 --> 00:22:39,088
That's my it's my iCloud storage right
there.

591
00:22:38,576 --> 00:22:39,576
Why are you paying

592
00:22:39,087 --> 00:22:41,343
for eight terabytes? That's insane.

593
00:22:41,343 --> 00:22:43,468
Why is your iCloud library twelve
terabytes?

594
00:22:43,468 --> 00:22:45,102
What does that say?

595
00:22:45,994 --> 00:22:48,331
My iCloud photos is one point two
terabytes.

596
00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:48,980
One point

597
00:22:48,503 --> 00:22:49,759
two. I thought it said twelve.

598
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:51,478
I'm like, that math does not work.

599
00:22:50,772 --> 00:22:51,772
No, no.

600
00:22:52,034 --> 00:22:54,358
iCloud Photos, one point two terabytes.

601
00:22:54,358 --> 00:22:56,642
iCloud Drive, five hundred gigs,

602
00:22:56,642 --> 00:22:59,186
backups is about two hundred seventy gigs.

603
00:22:59,186 --> 00:23:01,661
How much ~ storage does your messages take
up?

604
00:23:01,646 --> 00:23:03,402
gosh, now I have to go back here to this.

605
00:23:01,661 --> 00:23:04,586
I'm curious. Go check it out. Anyway I

606
00:23:03,402 --> 00:23:04,597
I'm waiting for

607
00:23:04,597 --> 00:23:07,126
my I my thing to update and

608
00:23:07,334 --> 00:23:11,676
I pay for the eight terabytes because
there's five point one terabytes used
right

609
00:23:11,676 --> 00:23:13,180
now total across my family.

610
00:23:12,612 --> 00:23:13,612
Because you actually

611
00:23:13,484 --> 00:23:15,600
use iCloud Drive instead of Dropbox.

612
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,137
'Cause I have eight terabytes of Dropbox
storage.

613
00:23:15,613 --> 00:23:16,613
I do.

614
00:23:18,416 --> 00:23:21,500
Sheesh. Okay, well then we're even we're
even there.

615
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:22,500
But what does it

616
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,159
No, actually

617
00:23:22,792 --> 00:23:26,629
I have more because I have eight terabytes
of Dropbox and four terabytes of iCloud.

618
00:23:25,952 --> 00:23:27,194
Well, listen, my

619
00:23:27,194 --> 00:23:28,977
family barely uses any iCloud storage.

620
00:23:28,977 --> 00:23:31,781
So it's basically all me. Like the family
usage to me.

621
00:23:31,781 --> 00:23:35,167
I ~ yeah. Your messages,

622
00:23:32,696 --> 00:23:34,216
Okay, so your question was

623
00:23:35,167 --> 00:23:38,492
how much d storage in iCloud does your
messages take up?

624
00:23:38,862 --> 00:23:40,476
It's not taking up very much space in my
phone,

625
00:23:40,476 --> 00:23:41,476
which is nice.

626
00:23:41,194 --> 00:23:45,963
My message is currently is one hundred and
forty gigabytes.

627
00:23:48,164 --> 00:23:52,579
Mine's eighty gigabytes. And I understand
why you are this isn't okay,

628
00:23:48,502 --> 00:23:50,760
So yeah.

629
00:23:52,579 --> 00:23:57,934
Steven. This is a thing that's exactly the
same as what we were just talking about

630
00:23:57,934 --> 00:24:00,937
with that restore button, where you don't
know what it means.

631
00:23:59,273 --> 00:24:00,273
Okay.

632
00:24:00,937 --> 00:24:03,560
Because if you tap on messages

633
00:24:03,787 --> 00:24:04,787
Yes.

634
00:24:06,769 --> 00:24:12,853
you could manage your storage and it'll
say you have I have eighty point

635
00:24:10,270 --> 00:24:11,270
Mm-hmm.

636
00:24:12,853 --> 00:24:15,885
one gigs of messages data securely stored
in iCloud and available

637
00:24:15,885 --> 00:24:21,780
to all your devices. And I could delete
that and free up all that space.

638
00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:18,355
Yes.

639
00:24:22,504 --> 00:24:23,504
At what cost?

640
00:24:24,206 --> 00:24:27,547
What I don't understand is if I delete,

641
00:24:27,547 --> 00:24:29,778
because it's just all the attachments and
photos and videos,

642
00:24:29,778 --> 00:24:33,060
right? Now, I don't think I want to do
that in iCloud.

643
00:24:29,846 --> 00:24:31,101
Correct. Yeah.

644
00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:34,971
I want them to all stay in iCloud.

645
00:24:34,971 --> 00:24:37,122
What I don't want is I don't want them on
my device.

646
00:24:35,188 --> 00:24:37,795
Yes. Correct.

647
00:24:37,122 --> 00:24:39,083
Because guess what? If I tap on it,

648
00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:40,402
it can just still download it.

649
00:24:40,402 --> 00:24:43,144
But if you go to your your st the storage,

650
00:24:43,144 --> 00:24:48,507
if you don't if I back out and I go to
general iPhone storage and I look down

651
00:24:43,692 --> 00:24:44,692
There's no

652
00:24:48,507 --> 00:24:51,108
and I see how much space my messages are
taking up.

653
00:24:52,098 --> 00:24:54,551
And I'm like, ~ save up to, you know,

654
00:24:54,551 --> 00:24:58,275
twenty one gigs in attachments taking up
storage and messages

655
00:24:58,275 --> 00:25:01,789
and consider deleting them. What happens
if I do that,

656
00:25:01,789 --> 00:25:02,789
Steven?

657
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,943
Well that's like the large attachments.

658
00:25:04,943 --> 00:25:08,249
So you could say review large attachments
and then you can delete one

659
00:25:08,249 --> 00:25:12,816
by one or select multiple. Yeah.

660
00:25:10,075 --> 00:25:11,755
But what what what is happening?

661
00:25:11,755 --> 00:25:15,287
W are they staying in iCloud? That's what
I don't

662
00:25:12,816 --> 00:25:15,100
That's a good question. I don't know.

663
00:25:15,287 --> 00:25:19,408
know is if I delete it, is it syncing that
I've deleted it so now it's gone?

664
00:25:19,408 --> 00:25:23,949
Because I would I would delete all of them
if they were still in iCloud and

665
00:25:19,563 --> 00:25:20,563
I think it's gone.

666
00:25:23,617 --> 00:25:24,617
That's the thing.

667
00:25:23,949 --> 00:25:26,349
I knew I could pull them back down anytime
I want.

668
00:25:26,349 --> 00:25:29,211
It's kind of like in Dropbox or in iCloud
where you can be like,

669
00:25:26,656 --> 00:25:27,656
Black box.

670
00:25:29,211 --> 00:25:30,672
I don't need a local version of this,

671
00:25:30,672 --> 00:25:32,032
just only have it in the cloud.

672
00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:31,676
Right, just keep it in the cloud,

673
00:25:31,628 --> 00:25:32,628
yeah.

674
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,447
Listen, no one can know. No one not even
anyone at Apple knows.

675
00:25:34,106 --> 00:25:37,156
But we should know. All

676
00:25:35,447 --> 00:25:37,091
They don't no one knows what happens.

677
00:25:37,239 --> 00:25:39,520
right, sorry. This was not a we're we're
way off track.

678
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,969
I apologize. It's completely my fault.

679
00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:43,002
No, the storage I know.

680
00:25:40,969 --> 00:25:42,382
I've been traveling for a week.

681
00:25:42,382 --> 00:25:43,764
I've I'm just very discombobied.

682
00:25:44,003 --> 00:25:45,802
Storage is a everybody's gotta deal with
storage.

683
00:25:45,802 --> 00:25:47,116
You know what I mean? It just it happens.

684
00:25:47,116 --> 00:25:51,429
All right, I wanted to cover the the
Microsoft Xbox layoffs.

685
00:25:51,429 --> 00:25:53,681
And it's Microsoft layoffs in total,

686
00:25:53,681 --> 00:25:55,933
but just a vast majority of them are Xbox.

687
00:25:55,933 --> 00:25:57,554
I'll put the TechCrunch article in here.

688
00:25:57,554 --> 00:25:59,796
They're laying off forty eight hundred
people,

689
00:25:59,796 --> 00:26:02,698
two point one percent of its global
workforce.

690
00:26:02,698 --> 00:26:06,301
So that is unfortunate. The statement,

691
00:26:06,301 --> 00:26:09,083
the EVP and Chief People Officer,

692
00:26:09,083 --> 00:26:10,083
Amy Coleman.

693
00:26:10,304 --> 00:26:12,576
Had a statement and they wanted to stress,

694
00:26:12,576 --> 00:26:16,268
quote, these roles are not being replaced
by AI.

695
00:26:16,268 --> 00:26:21,632
Okay, but noted, what is true is that AI
is changing how work gets done.

696
00:26:21,632 --> 00:26:24,934
Which seems like it's not AI,

697
00:26:24,934 --> 00:26:27,696
but also could be AI. That's why we're
laying.

698
00:26:27,844 --> 00:26:32,347
Well, what they're really saying is we're
not replacing these roles with robots.

699
00:26:32,347 --> 00:26:36,670
What we're going to do is pay two hundred
dollars a month for Claude

700
00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:39,892
Max and make the existing employees do
twice as much work.

701
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,964
The yeah, that. That. Yes. And she goes on
to say,

702
00:26:42,052 --> 00:26:43,052
That's what they're saying.

703
00:26:44,964 --> 00:26:47,577
some of the tasks we do every day can now
be automated.

704
00:26:47,577 --> 00:26:50,079
And that means we all need to keep
learning,

705
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:52,211
keep building new skills, and keep
adapting.

706
00:26:52,211 --> 00:26:53,793
I'm not gonna say that sounds like a
threat,

707
00:26:53,793 --> 00:26:56,876
but it kind of sounds like a threat to
everyone who's still at Microsoft.

708
00:26:56,876 --> 00:26:59,118
It's like listen, the task you do right
now,

709
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:02,942
it could be automated, so maybe develop
some new skills.

710
00:27:02,942 --> 00:27:04,764
That's what it sounds like.

711
00:27:03,874 --> 00:27:04,957
Okay. I mean

712
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:09,427
so when I was in England, I was I think
that's what I'm supposed to say,

713
00:27:09,427 --> 00:27:10,801
'cause I was in the country of England,

714
00:27:10,801 --> 00:27:12,204
which is part of the United Kingdom.

715
00:27:10,944 --> 00:27:12,049
Yeah, you were in England. Yeah.

716
00:27:12,211 --> 00:27:13,939
You were in Great Britain, United Kingdom.

717
00:27:14,989 --> 00:27:18,261
Anyway, I was I was in Oxford is where I
was.

718
00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:21,274
Yes. Did you visit the Eagle and Child,

719
00:27:18,261 --> 00:27:20,032
I went to Oxford for a meeting.

720
00:27:20,032 --> 00:27:25,515
I wanted to, but I literally the company I
went for a meeting and they paid they

721
00:27:21,274 --> 00:27:22,274
by the way? Just

722
00:27:25,515 --> 00:27:28,742
sent a car to pick me up from Milton
Keynes 'cause it's an hour to Oxford.

723
00:27:28,742 --> 00:27:30,497
I had the meeting and then the car took me
back.

724
00:27:30,497 --> 00:27:33,549
So it was very but anyway, in the
conversation I was having,

725
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,840
that's

726
00:27:33,549 --> 00:27:39,062
they were telling me about one of the F
one teams where they had a guy used

727
00:27:39,062 --> 00:27:40,403
to have to write report every day.

728
00:27:40,403 --> 00:27:42,724
They've sent back to the factory.

729
00:27:43,066 --> 00:27:45,357
This is what we need to do. Now,

730
00:27:45,357 --> 00:27:49,319
this person has an AI agent that just does
that for him every single day.

731
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:48,510
Mm.

732
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,459
And it has saved him like three hours a
day.

733
00:27:51,459 --> 00:27:54,141
Now, that doesn't mean they pay the guy
for three hours less.

734
00:27:54,141 --> 00:27:56,722
It just means he can do something
different for three hours.

735
00:27:56,268 --> 00:27:58,759
Something different. Sure. Sure.

736
00:27:56,722 --> 00:27:58,032
So there's like a net positive.

737
00:27:58,032 --> 00:28:04,085
That's a good use of AI. But having the
robot just do all that person's work feels

738
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:00,518
Yeah.

739
00:28:04,085 --> 00:28:08,326
like a really bad use of AI. And I feel
like we the companies that

740
00:28:09,147 --> 00:28:12,348
now Microsoft's a little different because

741
00:28:13,090 --> 00:28:14,800
If these people were writing code,

742
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,581
it turns out that the AI agents are pretty
good at that.

743
00:28:17,581 --> 00:28:22,173
And one human can probably handle re I'm
saying things I don't really know because

744
00:28:22,173 --> 00:28:23,743
I haven't actually written a lot of code,

745
00:28:23,743 --> 00:28:25,424
even though I have an app in the app
store.

746
00:28:25,376 --> 00:28:26,376
Sure, sure.

747
00:28:25,424 --> 00:28:28,805
But it feels like you really good top
level engineers,

748
00:28:28,805 --> 00:28:34,686
software engineers are able to supervise a
bunch of AI agents that they

749
00:28:34,686 --> 00:28:38,787
pay a lot less money for than the $380,000
salary they were paying

750
00:28:38,787 --> 00:28:40,248
the programmer or whatever it was.

751
00:28:40,248 --> 00:28:41,248
And so

752
00:28:41,035 --> 00:28:42,035
Right.

753
00:28:41,272 --> 00:28:42,272
I feel

754
00:28:41,672 --> 00:28:45,934
like it's it is a little disingenuous to
say we're not replacing these jobs with
AI.

755
00:28:45,934 --> 00:28:48,475
What does that actually mean? Like,

756
00:28:48,475 --> 00:28:51,206
right, you're not hiring robots powered by
AI,

757
00:28:49,461 --> 00:28:50,461
Right.

758
00:28:51,206 --> 00:28:54,248
but what is true is that AI is changing
how works get done.

759
00:28:54,248 --> 00:28:57,239
What okay, yeah, you're gonna just use the
AI to do the work.

760
00:28:57,239 --> 00:28:58,840
It's the same thing, right?

761
00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:02,171
It sounds like that. And and this is one
of the things I I was just I

762
00:29:02,171 --> 00:29:04,933
was curious if I could find information
quickly about the amount

763
00:29:04,933 --> 00:29:08,425
of video game companies, not just
Microsoft in general,

764
00:29:08,425 --> 00:29:11,656
who have had massive layoffs, which I'm
pretty sure Epic Games had

765
00:29:11,656 --> 00:29:16,889
a bunch of layoffs. A bunch of like video
game developer ~ studios have

766
00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:19,991
had massive layoffs. And they all say it's
not because of AI,

767
00:29:19,991 --> 00:29:24,286
but it's also like a lot of the
development work at that is happening

768
00:29:24,286 --> 00:29:28,005
at these companies seems to have been like
that's who's getting fired.

769
00:29:28,951 --> 00:29:32,753
And so all that's say for Xbox and
Microsoft,

770
00:29:32,753 --> 00:29:37,236
sixteen hundred of the forty eight hundred
are in the Xbox division for Microsoft.

771
00:29:37,236 --> 00:29:42,819
And Microsoft is also transitioning four
of its gaming studios under new
management.

772
00:29:42,819 --> 00:29:46,701
And Asha Sharma, the head of Xbox,

773
00:29:46,701 --> 00:29:49,813
basically said like their profitability is
not like they're not doing well.

774
00:29:49,813 --> 00:29:51,104
They're not doing well as a company.

775
00:29:51,104 --> 00:29:54,096
There are things like Game Pass and other
initiatives that they thought would

776
00:29:54,096 --> 00:29:56,117
perform well has not been performing well.

777
00:29:56,771 --> 00:29:59,092
And I hear, you know, Nei on the verge,

778
00:29:59,092 --> 00:30:01,673
and he's saying, like, Xbox might just get
spun off.

779
00:30:01,673 --> 00:30:03,995
Like Microsoft might be done with it
pretty soon.

780
00:30:03,995 --> 00:30:09,557
But you also look at the hardware of video
game industry as a whole.

781
00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:11,828
The Steam Machine is out there that's
really expensive,

782
00:30:11,828 --> 00:30:13,098
even though they're selling it at cost.

783
00:30:13,098 --> 00:30:15,480
PlayStation Pro got more expensive.

784
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,102
Xbox got more expensive, even though these
game systems have been out for years,

785
00:30:19,102 --> 00:30:21,143
all because of it. And

786
00:30:21,479 --> 00:30:24,993
Also, PlayStation announced that they were
gonna be done with physical discs

787
00:30:24,993 --> 00:30:26,505
by I think twenty twenty eight,

788
00:30:26,505 --> 00:30:29,189
and there was a huge backlash on that.

789
00:30:29,189 --> 00:30:32,923
Just video game industry as a whole seems
like not in a good place.

790
00:30:32,923 --> 00:30:34,195
Not in a good place.

791
00:30:33,467 --> 00:30:34,467
Yeah, and

792
00:30:34,357 --> 00:30:37,420
and in addition well, I don't I guess I
don't know enough about

793
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:39,591
the video game industry to know whether
that's true or not,

794
00:30:39,591 --> 00:30:41,262
because people do like entertainment,

795
00:30:41,262 --> 00:30:47,306
right? Maybe as businesses they have
creeped their way into unprofitable areas
that

796
00:30:47,306 --> 00:30:48,597
has have caused some problems.

797
00:30:48,597 --> 00:30:52,410
But I think the bigger problem that
Microsoft has had is a problem that other

798
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:55,492
companies like Meta has had. ~ Meta,

799
00:30:55,492 --> 00:30:57,353
for example, is an advertising company.

800
00:30:57,829 --> 00:31:00,070
But guess what? Selling ads is just not
cool.

801
00:31:00,070 --> 00:31:02,431
So Mark Zuckerberg does not care about it
at all.

802
00:31:02,431 --> 00:31:04,493
That's why you're wearing glasses right
now.

803
00:31:04,493 --> 00:31:07,714
Right? That's why they made they bought a
headset company.

804
00:31:04,933 --> 00:31:05,933
Exactly.

805
00:31:07,714 --> 00:31:10,606
That's why they thought the metaverse
should be a thing that no

806
00:31:10,606 --> 00:31:11,807
one else thought should be a thing.

807
00:31:11,807 --> 00:31:14,358
It's because selling ads is not cool.

808
00:31:14,358 --> 00:31:18,620
Selling Excel is not cool. It's just not
cool.

809
00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:21,122
You know what's cool? Video games are
cool.

810
00:31:21,122 --> 00:31:25,304
So what if we had a video game company and
we made a console and we made like

811
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:29,761
That was the problem, but it's like
Microsoft was it's just never gonna

812
00:31:29,801 --> 00:31:31,291
win that game. PlayStation one,

813
00:31:31,291 --> 00:31:35,053
right? ~ Swit the Nintendo Switch won the
other market of it.

814
00:31:33,745 --> 00:31:36,173
Zero switch. Right.

815
00:31:35,053 --> 00:31:36,223
And then you have all these other things.

816
00:31:36,223 --> 00:31:39,384
But for a company like if if Xbox was on
its own,

817
00:31:39,384 --> 00:31:40,444
I think that it would be a very,

818
00:31:40,444 --> 00:31:43,705
very different story for it because the
incentives would be different.

819
00:31:43,705 --> 00:31:47,296
The incentives would be like how does this
become a good business without worrying

820
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,319
That is true.

821
00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:48,966
about how it competes with the other
businesses?

822
00:31:48,966 --> 00:31:50,547
And you talked about like what Ne Lai
says.

823
00:31:50,547 --> 00:31:54,420
Like Microsoft's whole Xbox philosophy was
what if we could put some

824
00:31:54,724 --> 00:31:56,065
you know, windows in your living room.

825
00:31:56,065 --> 00:31:58,257
What if we c what if instead you had a
computer,

826
00:31:57,471 --> 00:31:58,471
Right.

827
00:31:58,257 --> 00:32:01,450
you had a phone and then your T V also ran
some version of Windows and

828
00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:03,032
it turned out that that was Xbox?

829
00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:03,678
Right. Right.

830
00:32:03,032 --> 00:32:07,316
Just it's just nobody c that's just not
what people how people how it shuck

831
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:07,399
Yeah.

832
00:32:08,121 --> 00:32:13,825
I'm curious. So I'll put a polygon article
in here because after PlayStation

833
00:32:13,825 --> 00:32:17,338
announced January twenty twenty eight
would be the cutoff date,

834
00:32:17,338 --> 00:32:18,669
they won't make physical games anymore,

835
00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:22,272
physical game discs. There was a huge
backlash against it.

836
00:32:22,272 --> 00:32:23,793
PlayStation didn't address it,

837
00:32:23,793 --> 00:32:27,196
and then they posted something about their
Flex Strike wireless fight stick.

838
00:32:27,196 --> 00:32:31,870
That was their next post after announcing
about no physical games.

839
00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:34,542
And of course the reaction to that is
still people are very mad.

840
00:32:34,542 --> 00:32:35,613
People are very mad. And I've been

841
00:32:35,923 --> 00:32:37,844
I follow a few gamers on Instagram,

842
00:32:37,844 --> 00:32:41,056
game streamers, obviously with my kids who
are into games,

843
00:32:41,056 --> 00:32:43,187
like I know of game streamers because of
them.

844
00:32:43,187 --> 00:32:47,309
And like the reaction is universally
negative,

845
00:32:47,309 --> 00:32:49,310
with some people being like, listen,

846
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:53,393
we don't buy no one cares about physical
media anymore.

847
00:32:53,393 --> 00:32:55,894
I'm curious your your thought,

848
00:32:55,894 --> 00:32:59,766
because I did this whole video on the
Kaleidoscape movie streamer,

849
00:32:59,766 --> 00:33:04,419
which is like quote unquote the answer to
high quality movies that aren't Blu-rays.

850
00:33:04,948 --> 00:33:06,388
So still in the digital world,

851
00:33:06,388 --> 00:33:07,469
but you don't need physical disc.

852
00:33:07,469 --> 00:33:10,389
And physical media has been going away for
a long time.

853
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:13,090
Best Buy doesn't even sell physical media
in the stores anymore.

854
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:16,591
You have to either get it on Amazon or
some random store,

855
00:33:16,591 --> 00:33:18,771
you know, a local video shop or whatever.

856
00:33:18,771 --> 00:33:23,933
Do you have any nostalgia or feelings for
physical media?

857
00:33:23,933 --> 00:33:28,144
Like I was I was tempted to buy
Interstellar on a 4K Blu-ray disc after

858
00:33:28,144 --> 00:33:29,334
all of this because I was like,

859
00:33:29,334 --> 00:33:33,255
do I want maybe I want some of my favorite
movies on a physical disc.

860
00:33:33,663 --> 00:33:35,086
But even though I'll never play it.

861
00:33:35,086 --> 00:33:37,874
I don't know. What do you think?

862
00:33:37,874 --> 00:33:38,874
How do you feel?

863
00:33:38,436 --> 00:33:41,307
~ so I think there's a couple of different
things.

864
00:33:41,307 --> 00:33:46,640
I do think you can still buy f game media
at Best Buy.

865
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,121
They don't sell movies on okay on on Blue.

866
00:33:48,107 --> 00:33:49,359
Correct. They don't sell movies on
Blu-ray.

867
00:33:50,121 --> 00:33:54,863
Okay. Just to be clear. I and I I
understand why.

868
00:33:54,863 --> 00:33:57,264
The reason is because people weren't
buying them.

869
00:33:57,264 --> 00:34:01,006
And it is you cannot build a profitable
build profitable business at

870
00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:05,628
the kind of scale that a company like
Microsoft or Best Buy or whoever needs on

871
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,542
people who are nostalgic for the days of
physical media,

872
00:34:09,542 --> 00:34:11,684
right? Like that's not a very profitable
business.

873
00:34:11,684 --> 00:34:13,766
And there's GameStop for that,

874
00:34:13,766 --> 00:34:16,248
I guess. Like that's the that's where that
business is.

875
00:34:16,248 --> 00:34:18,230
I like the c the collidescape.

876
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:21,753
I don't understand how that can possibly
be a profitable business.

877
00:34:21,753 --> 00:34:22,994
And then you think, it's a very,

878
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:26,236
very, very, very, very, very small niche
business.

879
00:34:26,236 --> 00:34:29,979
And it only it's only for people who care
deeply about this.

880
00:34:29,979 --> 00:34:35,064
And I don't think the people who care
deeply about physical media care about
things

881
00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:36,064
like

882
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:39,092
Maybe some of them do, so don't send me
nasty emails.

883
00:34:39,092 --> 00:34:43,496
But like the the argument for physical
media is not as much anymore that

884
00:34:43,496 --> 00:34:45,006
I have a copy of it on my shelf.

885
00:34:45,006 --> 00:34:49,952
However, I do have like all all seven
seasons of the West Wing on D V D.

886
00:34:50,569 --> 00:34:52,020
I think I think it's ownership.

887
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:55,723
I think it's the question of ownership
because and I'll share this article

888
00:34:55,723 --> 00:35:00,257
in the show notes too. There have been
cases where even when people have
purchased

889
00:35:00,257 --> 00:35:04,571
the digital copy of a movie, it's been
removed from whatever service they
purchased

890
00:35:04,571 --> 00:35:07,053
it from. PlayStation in particular,

891
00:35:07,053 --> 00:35:09,235
there was a movie like Terminator Two.

892
00:35:09,235 --> 00:35:14,129
Even if you had purchased it through like
PlayStation's movie service,

893
00:35:14,129 --> 00:35:16,801
it got removed because of a change in
licensing deal.

894
00:35:16,801 --> 00:35:19,113
And people who have bought that movie

895
00:35:19,541 --> 00:35:22,333
For the full price, no longer had access
to it.

896
00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:27,807
And so there is this feeling, and I do
wonder if it's also connected to

897
00:35:27,807 --> 00:35:33,041
the whole AI and the negative cultural
feelings about that.

898
00:35:33,041 --> 00:35:37,725
Like maybe it's all tied together where
it's like I'm renting everything.

899
00:35:37,725 --> 00:35:41,088
Like anytime I buy something, it's a
subscription.

900
00:35:41,088 --> 00:35:43,590
Or even when I think it's a full-on
purchase,

901
00:35:43,590 --> 00:35:47,713
it feels like a rental because it could be
taken from me at any point.

902
00:35:47,713 --> 00:35:49,034
And

903
00:35:49,742 --> 00:35:54,846
I I get that feeling. I typically if I
ever purchase a movie,

904
00:35:54,846 --> 00:35:57,828
it's either on the dumb Kaleidoscape
because it's the only way to watch it,

905
00:35:57,828 --> 00:36:02,311
or I purchase it from Apple because I feel
somewhat confident that movies that

906
00:36:02,311 --> 00:36:05,713
are on Apple that I buy from Apple won't
go away.

907
00:36:05,713 --> 00:36:10,636
But it also does feel like, do I truly own
that thing?

908
00:36:10,636 --> 00:36:14,559
Because I think even a like years ago,

909
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:15,559
I don't think it's been recent,

910
00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:18,492
but I think even Apple's library has lost
some titles for it.

911
00:36:19,006 --> 00:36:21,327
And so I think people just feel like I'm
paying for Netflix,

912
00:36:21,327 --> 00:36:24,794
I'm paying for HBO, I'm paying for Hulu
and Disney Plus.

913
00:36:24,794 --> 00:36:27,497
I don't own any of this. Everything is a
rental.

914
00:36:27,497 --> 00:36:29,740
And even when I want to own something,

915
00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:33,505
there's a chance that it could be removed
if it's digital and so I want

916
00:36:33,505 --> 00:36:35,518
the physical thing. And now the companies
are saying actually we're

917
00:36:35,518 --> 00:36:37,070
not even gonna do the physical things
anymore either.

918
00:36:37,028 --> 00:36:38,028
Yeah.

919
00:36:37,809 --> 00:36:40,351
That's fair. I mean theoretic I mean not
theoretically.

920
00:36:40,351 --> 00:36:43,133
Technically speaking, even if you buy it
on a disc or actually just buying

921
00:36:43,133 --> 00:36:44,724
a license to something, right?

922
00:36:44,724 --> 00:36:46,916
They can't come and take it because it's
called breaking and entering.

923
00:36:46,916 --> 00:36:48,237
They can't come and get the disc from you.

924
00:36:47,479 --> 00:36:48,943
Right. Right.

925
00:36:48,237 --> 00:36:50,950
But you can you're very limited in what
you're allowed to do with

926
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:55,463
it because they want desperately to
control how their work is presented.

927
00:36:55,463 --> 00:37:00,708
I think, you know, Apple's I guess the the
advantage Apple had for a long time

928
00:37:00,708 --> 00:37:04,011
was you could literally download the like
you buy a movie,

929
00:37:04,011 --> 00:37:05,610
you download it

930
00:37:05,977 --> 00:37:08,077
In the worst case scenario of all these
movies starts,

931
00:37:08,077 --> 00:37:09,999
you just disconnect that device from the
internet.

932
00:37:09,999 --> 00:37:11,861
And it's like I at least have the bits,

933
00:37:11,861 --> 00:37:15,604
right? Because I have a lot of songs that
I've downloaded.

934
00:37:12,381 --> 00:37:13,381
Yeah.

935
00:37:15,604 --> 00:37:19,216
A lot of songs. And I don't think Apple is
going to take any of them away.

936
00:37:19,216 --> 00:37:20,837
I paid 99 cents and then later,

937
00:37:20,837 --> 00:37:23,189
was it like a dollar twenty nine for the
DRM free?

938
00:37:21,909 --> 00:37:24,005
Dollar Yeah, if you have iTunes plus
tracks,

939
00:37:23,189 --> 00:37:27,112
I yeah,

940
00:37:24,005 --> 00:37:25,971
they're D R free and you own them,

941
00:37:25,971 --> 00:37:26,971
the file.

942
00:37:27,112 --> 00:37:28,403
yeah, I can do what I want with them.

943
00:37:28,403 --> 00:37:29,844
I can put them on a hard drive over here,

944
00:37:29,844 --> 00:37:32,315
and guess what? They'll just work some
other time.

945
00:37:32,315 --> 00:37:33,315
The downside to

946
00:37:33,198 --> 00:37:35,149
movies is there's just much larger files.

947
00:37:35,149 --> 00:37:36,350
So it's a little harder to do that.

948
00:37:36,350 --> 00:37:37,971
But I g I get what you're saying.

949
00:37:37,971 --> 00:37:42,255
Do you th I was though I was I think there
are some people for whom that maybe this

950
00:37:42,255 --> 00:37:44,696
is the problem. That for some people
that's the incentive.

951
00:37:44,696 --> 00:37:47,819
I want to have the physical thing because
then you cannot take it away from me.

952
00:37:47,819 --> 00:37:50,991
That's one set of arguments. The other set
of arguments I hear is

953
00:37:50,991 --> 00:37:54,644
I want the physical thing because it's
higher quality and I care about,

954
00:37:54,644 --> 00:37:59,227
you know, Netflix doesn't stream it I mean
Netflix is streaming at like whatever

955
00:37:59,227 --> 00:38:00,568
the standard is what ten eighty

956
00:38:00,846 --> 00:38:02,727
like 1920 by 1080 or whatever like that,

957
00:38:02,727 --> 00:38:05,268
it's not very high quality. You can get
the 4K,

958
00:38:03,785 --> 00:38:04,785
Right.

959
00:38:05,268 --> 00:38:08,997
but it's compressed to heck because like
otherwise it's like 70 gig files that

960
00:38:08,997 --> 00:38:14,021
it have to send you. So yeah. So like if
you want to have the the high quality,

961
00:38:10,248 --> 00:38:11,248
Hence the kaleidoscape.

962
00:38:14,021 --> 00:38:16,782
then the physical media or something like
Collide Escape is what you need.

963
00:38:16,782 --> 00:38:21,784
But I but the the problem is those two
those two values are distinct enough that

964
00:38:21,784 --> 00:38:23,735
there's not enough buying power to say,

965
00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:25,486
no, this is a thing because most people
are like,

966
00:38:25,486 --> 00:38:27,487
you know what, I'd rather just give you 25
bucks a month and put them

967
00:38:27,487 --> 00:38:30,478
all on Netflix. And the people who

968
00:38:29,033 --> 00:38:30,033
Right.

969
00:38:30,628 --> 00:38:34,200
pay the twenty five dollars a month for
Netflix are not buying Netflix because

970
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,391
it has a thing they really, really I used
to pay for Netflix because they

971
00:38:37,391 --> 00:38:39,192
had friends, the office and the West Wing.

972
00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:40,743
And they don't have, I don't think,

973
00:38:40,743 --> 00:38:42,394
any of those things now. I don't know.

974
00:38:42,376 --> 00:38:44,104
Right. They still have the West Wing,

975
00:38:42,394 --> 00:38:47,456
So I think it finally went back because it
was not there for a long time.

976
00:38:44,104 --> 00:38:45,566
I think. That's where I saw it.

977
00:38:45,566 --> 00:38:47,460
Yeah, it finally went back. Right.

978
00:38:47,456 --> 00:38:50,808
But the point is like you're not paying
for a specific piece of content.

979
00:38:50,808 --> 00:38:53,219
What you're paying for is the ability to
turn it on and just

980
00:38:53,219 --> 00:38:54,560
be entertained by something.

981
00:38:54,515 --> 00:38:55,515
Right.

982
00:38:55,136 --> 00:38:57,996
Right. Yeah. And I th I think people
understand like Netflix,

983
00:38:57,996 --> 00:38:59,830
like you don't own anything. HBO Mac,

984
00:38:59,830 --> 00:39:02,198
you don't own anything. Like you just
don't own it.

985
00:39:02,198 --> 00:39:06,745
And I think that's why the video game it I
think it's felt more by video game

986
00:39:06,745 --> 00:39:11,159
~ people in that world, because if it's a
digital only video game,

987
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,992
which PlayStation is saying everything
will be digital by twenty twenty eight,

988
00:39:13,992 --> 00:39:18,235
it feels like it's more like I'm renting
this thing than I'm than I'm buying it.

989
00:39:18,235 --> 00:39:22,179
And I'll also put this article in the show
notes because

990
00:39:22,911 --> 00:39:26,632
There was this case back in twenty
eighteen where someone claimed that movies

991
00:39:26,632 --> 00:39:29,933
disappeared from their Apple library even
though they purchased it.

992
00:39:29,933 --> 00:39:35,552
The facts of the matter is this person
changed their country or region.

993
00:39:35,552 --> 00:39:36,894
I don't know if they moved or whatever.

994
00:39:36,894 --> 00:39:39,745
And because certain movies are only
available in certain countries because

995
00:39:39,745 --> 00:39:42,856
of licensing, that's why the movies
disappeared from their library.

996
00:39:42,856 --> 00:39:46,037
So it wasn't that Apple lost the license
or removed it from their library.

997
00:39:46,037 --> 00:39:49,877
It's that they changed region and not
everything you buy is available

998
00:39:49,877 --> 00:39:52,118
in all regions. Which again also feels
like

999
00:39:52,604 --> 00:39:54,555
If I buy the Interstellar Blu-ray,

1000
00:39:54,555 --> 00:40:01,357
I can travel anywhere in the world with my
Blu-ray player and and play that Blu-ray.

1001
00:40:01,357 --> 00:40:04,617
But if I buy it on some service,

1002
00:40:04,617 --> 00:40:06,748
if it's not licensed in another country,

1003
00:40:06,748 --> 00:40:08,199
then I don't own it in that country.

1004
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,810
It feels weird. And I think I think all of
this stuff is just kind

1005
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:10,870
Yeah.

1006
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:17,381
of conglomerating into this negative
feeling of I don't own any of

1007
00:40:17,381 --> 00:40:19,892
the things I'm buying anymore and I don't
like it.

1008
00:40:20,382 --> 00:40:23,137
I think that's just the general feeling
that's going on with people.

1009
00:40:23,137 --> 00:40:24,506
And so anyway.

1010
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:27,581
If they do put a Blu-ray player in the
Vision Pro,

1011
00:40:27,581 --> 00:40:29,482
I would wear it on an airplane.

1012
00:40:29,482 --> 00:40:31,742
Okay, I have an update for you.

1013
00:40:30,369 --> 00:40:32,261
No, you yeah.

1014
00:40:31,742 --> 00:40:37,034
First of all, 27.3, they have changed what
you see when you're indexing.

1015
00:40:37,034 --> 00:40:39,225
It does not say indexing anymore,

1016
00:40:37,278 --> 00:40:38,278
That's right. That's right.

1017
00:40:39,225 --> 00:40:42,966
it says optimizing because people were
freaking out because it took two weeks.

1018
00:40:40,329 --> 00:40:41,329
That's right.

1019
00:40:42,966 --> 00:40:45,987
And I'm kind of angry because I just now
realize I have to go through that whole

1020
00:40:45,987 --> 00:40:47,248
process again on this phone.

1021
00:40:46,824 --> 00:40:48,899
Y you do it indexes every device

1022
00:40:48,899 --> 00:40:50,764
individually. Your index doesn't sync.

1023
00:40:50,764 --> 00:40:51,764
That's right.

1024
00:40:51,652 --> 00:40:56,496
Which i I heard I think it was Jason and
Mike Curly talking about this on upgrade.

1025
00:40:56,496 --> 00:40:58,738
Like if you back up your phone,

1026
00:40:58,738 --> 00:41:00,369
if you get a new phone in September,

1027
00:41:00,369 --> 00:41:03,142
you're gonna have to go through this
process.

1028
00:41:03,142 --> 00:41:04,873
But if you restore that from a backup,

1029
00:41:04,873 --> 00:41:09,057
there's no reason that that index should
not be part of that backup of that device.

1030
00:41:09,057 --> 00:41:13,551
So if you f you're flashing the or if you
do a device to device transfer.

1031
00:41:13,551 --> 00:41:16,073
I guess if maybe that should be the
barrier.

1032
00:41:16,073 --> 00:41:19,656
I can understand why the index itself
doesn't sync to the cloud.

1033
00:41:20,027 --> 00:41:22,739
But I don't understand why if you do a
device to device transfer,

1034
00:41:22,739 --> 00:41:25,682
shouldn't it just write all the bits on
this one to the new one?

1035
00:41:25,682 --> 00:41:29,865
It should. Listen,

1036
00:41:25,885 --> 00:41:27,268
You would think, but it's not going to.

1037
00:41:27,268 --> 00:41:29,253
You you're gonna have to reindex it.

1038
00:41:29,865 --> 00:41:32,318
send another email to your friends at
Apple and tell them that that's

1039
00:41:31,859 --> 00:41:32,859
Sure. Sure.

1040
00:41:32,318 --> 00:41:33,318
the way it should work.

1041
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:35,072
Okay, sure. did yours already update?

1042
00:41:35,072 --> 00:41:38,895
~ I'm I'm still I'm still updating over
here.

1043
00:41:35,386 --> 00:41:37,220
yeah, I'm I'm I'm in I'm in.

1044
00:41:38,895 --> 00:41:40,256
I still got preparing updates,

1045
00:41:40,256 --> 00:41:41,256
so anyway.

1046
00:41:41,008 --> 00:41:42,661
if only you had faster internet,

1047
00:41:42,661 --> 00:41:43,661
Steven.

1048
00:41:43,175 --> 00:41:46,968
That's it that's the problem. ~ can I last
thing before we take a quick break,

1049
00:41:46,968 --> 00:41:51,721
can I just say I had a guy come out to the
house yesterday and he's gonna quote

1050
00:41:51,721 --> 00:41:53,552
me on running some more Ethernet.

1051
00:41:53,552 --> 00:41:59,797
And this ~ in the house and maybe out of
the house.

1052
00:41:55,309 --> 00:41:56,343
In the house you're saying.

1053
00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:00,642
But

1054
00:41:59,953 --> 00:42:03,353
but you don't mean you're getting like a
second internet line because this eight

1055
00:42:03,353 --> 00:42:04,890
gig up and down you have isn't fast
enough.

1056
00:42:05,221 --> 00:42:06,544
No, I'm not getting second internet line.

1057
00:42:06,544 --> 00:42:10,915
But I might run Ethernet to my doorbell
camera so I can have

1058
00:42:10,915 --> 00:42:13,421
the best doorbell camera connection ever.

1059
00:42:13,648 --> 00:42:17,818
Steven's gonna run Ethernet to his mailbox
so that so that when the boat can

1060
00:42:16,521 --> 00:42:18,272
~ I sh I

1061
00:42:18,272 --> 00:42:19,612
should have asked him can I be honest?

1062
00:42:19,612 --> 00:42:21,063
Okay, last thing before we take a break.

1063
00:42:21,063 --> 00:42:24,805
We have a propane gas tank, okay?

1064
00:42:24,805 --> 00:42:30,787
And it run Well, hold on. We it runs our
like

1065
00:42:24,868 --> 00:42:26,605
You don't need to run either into the gas
tank,

1066
00:42:26,605 --> 00:42:27,605
Stephen. It's fine.

1067
00:42:30,867 --> 00:42:35,329
hot water heater thing and obviously like
the stove and the fireplaces.

1068
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:37,290
The propane gas goes to all those places.

1069
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:42,712
There's no automation to know like what
level the tank is at.

1070
00:42:42,712 --> 00:42:44,763
So I have to go out there like an animal.

1071
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:48,852
And look at the physical meter to see how
much gas is left and do I need

1072
00:42:48,852 --> 00:42:52,836
to order a refill. And it's only once
every three-ish months,

1073
00:42:52,836 --> 00:42:55,308
but it's still like a thing I gotta check.

1074
00:42:55,308 --> 00:42:57,124
And if I forget to check it, we could be
up a creek.

1075
00:42:57,124 --> 00:43:00,422
And there's been like one time where I
forgot to check it long enough,

1076
00:43:00,422 --> 00:43:02,904
and it was like below 20%, and it was
like,

1077
00:43:02,904 --> 00:43:05,566
yeah, hopefully, because sometimes a
refill takes a couple weeks.

1078
00:43:05,566 --> 00:43:06,667
It's like, hopefully we'll be all right.

1079
00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:08,509
So, anyway, plus we get hurricanes,

1080
00:43:08,509 --> 00:43:10,771
it's nice to know that it's full if we
have to run a generator.

1081
00:43:10,771 --> 00:43:13,573
I have had the thought of.

1082
00:43:13,674 --> 00:43:19,469
Can I put a Home Kit secure video camera
inside the tank's cover so that

1083
00:43:19,469 --> 00:43:25,234
I can just open the camera and look at the
meter and maybe even with Apple

1084
00:43:25,234 --> 00:43:29,608
Intelligence or something set up an
automation to let me know when that needle
falls

1085
00:43:29,608 --> 00:43:31,950
below a certain amount, but I've not
figured that out yet.

1086
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:34,833
And I didn't ask for a quote on Ethernet
to put a gas tank.

1087
00:43:35,184 --> 00:43:38,252
But I think that if you apple cache some
guy a bunch of money,

1088
00:43:38,252 --> 00:43:41,240
then he'll just stand there and he'll
watch it for you.

1089
00:43:42,833 --> 00:43:45,595
It's like Task Rabbit for just for like my
gas meter.

1090
00:43:44,932 --> 00:43:45,932
No, but wasn't that

1091
00:43:45,675 --> 00:43:48,505
what happened? Wasn't it a propane tank
thing where you apple cash somebody

1092
00:43:48,505 --> 00:43:51,055
a bunch of money? And it

1093
00:43:49,824 --> 00:43:51,448
yeah, I did. And he brought me a f

1094
00:43:51,448 --> 00:43:53,622
fifty five gallon drum so I could burn
boxes in it.

1095
00:43:53,622 --> 00:43:56,219
That's that's what I got.

1096
00:43:55,736 --> 00:43:56,736
I thought there was

1097
00:43:56,227 --> 00:44:02,725
a propane tank story that involved some
shady Facebook marketplace propane
tanking.

1098
00:43:58,689 --> 00:43:59,689
~

1099
00:44:01,767 --> 00:44:03,328
No, that was the fifty five gallon drum.

1100
00:44:02,725 --> 00:44:04,588
Was it okay. Okay.

1101
00:44:03,328 --> 00:44:04,328
That was fifty five gallon drum.

1102
00:44:04,209 --> 00:44:05,209
Yeah, Facebook

1103
00:44:04,769 --> 00:44:08,222
Marketplace like can I can I say I f I
found this Instagram account.

1104
00:44:08,222 --> 00:44:11,425
Found. The algorithm served to me,

1105
00:44:10,995 --> 00:44:11,995
Ha ha ha.

1106
00:44:11,425 --> 00:44:13,386
which maybe it's highly targeted to me.

1107
00:44:13,386 --> 00:44:18,891
Apparently there's a guy that buys food on
Facebook Marketplace and then reviews it.

1108
00:44:18,891 --> 00:44:21,553
A did not know that was a thing.

1109
00:44:21,722 --> 00:44:24,103
Buys food on Facebook Marketplace.

1110
00:44:23,889 --> 00:44:24,889
And so

1111
00:44:24,189 --> 00:44:26,973
here's how it goes. He pulls up to a shady
neighborhood,

1112
00:44:26,973 --> 00:44:31,920
and just a random individual walks out to
his car and hands him a bunch of bags.

1113
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,805
And in the bags is food. And sometimes the
food looks amazing.

1114
00:44:35,805 --> 00:44:38,669
Like it one time the dude in sh

1115
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:39,050
Like this is

1116
00:44:38,671 --> 00:44:42,586
like these are people who are like
homemade making tamales and churros or
okay,

1117
00:44:42,045 --> 00:44:43,756
Correct, correct. There was and there

1118
00:44:42,586 --> 00:44:43,586
okay, okay.

1119
00:44:43,756 --> 00:44:46,417
was one time there was just a dude with
sandals and jean shorts,

1120
00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,818
walked out and handed him a bunch of
barbecue that he just grilled off

1121
00:44:49,818 --> 00:44:51,369
of his grill and apparently it was
amazing.

1122
00:44:51,369 --> 00:44:54,110
And sometimes he gets food that I don't
know,

1123
00:44:54,110 --> 00:44:55,371
I don't know if I would eat it.

1124
00:44:55,371 --> 00:45:00,553
But he is reviewing face apparently you
can buy food on Facebook Marketplace.

1125
00:45:01,348 --> 00:45:03,581
But we are not recommending that you do
that.

1126
00:45:03,047 --> 00:45:04,805
We do not recommend it. We are not
recommending.

1127
00:45:03,581 --> 00:45:07,356
We're just stating the fact that it's a
thing that can be done.

1128
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:08,639
It is the thing that can be done.

1129
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,560
And I was shocked and appalled.

1130
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,942
Now, I listen,

1131
00:45:11,758 --> 00:45:12,973
I'm a l I'm a little disturbed.

1132
00:45:13,942 --> 00:45:14,973
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right, let's do a mini-ish lightning round
because there's been

1237
00:50:29,715 --> 00:50:31,026
a bunch of announcements for events.

1238
00:50:31,026 --> 00:50:34,248
Samsung Unpacked is happening July 22nd.

1239
00:50:34,248 --> 00:50:36,810
We should see new Samsung Galaxy phones,

1240
00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:39,792
a new foldable, possibly a new foldable
style.

1241
00:50:39,792 --> 00:50:42,894
And so the rumors are that it will not
only fold like a book,

1242
00:50:42,894 --> 00:50:45,235
but this one might fold another way,

1243
00:50:45,235 --> 00:50:46,806
and it might be a larger type fold.

1244
00:50:46,806 --> 00:50:48,087
So

1245
00:50:48,106 --> 00:50:50,879
feel like you can only fold in two
directions and they've already done both
of them.

1246
00:50:50,879 --> 00:50:52,124
There's the flip and the fold.

1247
00:50:52,124 --> 00:50:53,124
I don't

1248
00:50:52,825 --> 00:50:55,047
Maybe it'll be what do you those like wish
tellers or whatever?

1249
00:50:55,047 --> 00:50:56,848
Like the ~ you know the oragom?

1250
00:50:56,082 --> 00:50:58,616
An origami thing where you yeah.

1251
00:50:56,848 --> 00:50:58,749
Yeah, you do the one, two, three,

1252
00:50:58,616 --> 00:51:00,059
What do they call those things?

1253
00:50:58,749 --> 00:51:01,651
four thing. now now I need to look it up.

1254
00:51:00,059 --> 00:51:01,059
I can't remember.

1255
00:51:01,651 --> 00:51:03,029
What do you let's see, all right,

1256
00:51:03,029 --> 00:51:04,984
Google. What do you no, you know what?

1257
00:51:04,984 --> 00:51:07,576
Hold on. I'm I'm uploading to Iowa's beta
seven.

1258
00:51:07,576 --> 00:51:11,599
Let me let me ask. Let's see if Siri AI
will know.

1259
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:17,823
What do you call the origami folding type
thing where people either

1260
00:51:17,823 --> 00:51:19,865
use it to make decisions or make wishes?

1261
00:51:22,657 --> 00:51:23,988
No it's not. No it is not.

1262
00:51:23,488 --> 00:51:24,488
Yes it is.

1263
00:51:26,617 --> 00:51:30,018
The Orgamai folding toy used to make
decisions or tell fortunes

1264
00:51:30,018 --> 00:51:33,659
is most commonly called a paper fortune
teller or a cootie catcher.

1265
00:51:33,659 --> 00:51:37,741
It is also sometimes over.

1266
00:51:37,741 --> 00:51:41,462
The show's over. I've never heard that
term in my life.

1267
00:51:41,462 --> 00:51:45,564
I don't like it. I did.

1268
00:51:42,484 --> 00:51:45,055
Did you go to public school? 'Cause that's
what everyone called them.

1269
00:51:45,564 --> 00:51:48,825
I never heard that. in New York we did not
call them that.

1270
00:51:47,248 --> 00:51:49,080
I'm just listening

1271
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,243
I've never been happier that Siri said the
words that I just whispered into

1272
00:51:52,243 --> 00:51:53,243
a microphone.

1273
00:51:52,619 --> 00:51:56,431
I cannot believe that

1274
00:51:56,431 --> 00:52:00,212
it said that. Okay. Well, sh I don't even
know how to record.

1275
00:52:00,212 --> 00:52:02,913
Anyway, Galaxy Unpacked, July twenty
second.

1276
00:52:02,913 --> 00:52:07,225
And then after that, Google announced
their Pixel eleven event

1277
00:52:07,225 --> 00:52:11,497
is happening August eight it's happening
in August.

1278
00:52:11,497 --> 00:52:13,438
What is it? August twelfth. So Pixel
eleven,

1279
00:52:13,438 --> 00:52:16,999
August twelfth. Last year was the weird
Jimmy Fallon event where he was like,

1280
00:52:16,637 --> 00:52:17,637
yeah.

1281
00:52:16,999 --> 00:52:18,064
you know what I mean? He like,

1282
00:52:18,064 --> 00:52:19,330
look at this phone, I could do all this
stuff.

1283
00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:20,991
But anyway, ~ not

1284
00:52:21,431 --> 00:52:23,784
Rumors for like big changes, smaller
bezels,

1285
00:52:23,784 --> 00:52:25,527
maybe a slightly better camera.

1286
00:52:25,527 --> 00:52:26,609
Not rumored to be big changes,

1287
00:52:26,609 --> 00:52:29,092
but new pixel phone. There you go.

1288
00:52:29,092 --> 00:52:31,085
Didn't you have a pixel fold fold?

1289
00:52:31,085 --> 00:52:32,107
Do you do you still have pixel fold?

1290
00:52:31,771 --> 00:52:32,771
I I've

1291
00:52:32,302 --> 00:52:33,984
had a Pixel Fold, I've had a Samsung fold.

1292
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:36,367
I don't remember which one. It was like
three or four.

1293
00:52:36,367 --> 00:52:40,421
~ and then the Pixel Fold I had much more
recently than that.

1294
00:52:37,303 --> 00:52:38,303
Okay.

1295
00:52:40,385 --> 00:52:41,565
Yeah, that's what I

1296
00:52:40,421 --> 00:52:43,535
But I do send back my Android review
units.

1297
00:52:43,535 --> 00:52:47,280
I send them back.

1298
00:52:44,019 --> 00:52:45,592
Just not your Apple review units.

1299
00:52:49,299 --> 00:52:51,964
That pause there is a critical pause.

1300
00:52:51,964 --> 00:52:54,329
I send them back.

1301
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:59,363
I do send things back. I just sometimes it
takes Yeah.

1302
00:52:56,897 --> 00:52:59,543
It's a each put a little upward inflection
on that back.

1303
00:52:59,363 --> 00:53:01,234
Sometimes it just takes longer than
others.

1304
00:52:59,543 --> 00:53:02,209
I send them back?

1305
00:53:01,234 --> 00:53:05,596
But I took the I I sent the iPhone
seventeen Pro Max back as soon as

1306
00:53:05,596 --> 00:53:08,388
I started using the seventeen pro because
it's like what am I gonna do with both

1307
00:53:08,388 --> 00:53:09,388
of these?

1308
00:53:09,023 --> 00:53:14,017
Exactly, exactly. ~ Netflix is gonna be
doing short form video.

1309
00:53:14,017 --> 00:53:16,079
If you go to the app, you might see them
now.

1310
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,651
Netflix is trying all the things.

1311
00:53:18,651 --> 00:53:20,783
This is gonna be like s August third.

1312
00:53:20,783 --> 00:53:22,804
Netflix will be offering this content.

1313
00:53:22,804 --> 00:53:24,996
It'll be in the US, Canada, UK,

1314
00:53:24,996 --> 00:53:26,287
Ireland, Australia, New Zealand.

1315
00:53:26,287 --> 00:53:30,841
Things from like BuzzFeed and Vanity
Fair's lie detector test,

1316
00:53:30,841 --> 00:53:32,953
which I've probably seen a bunch of reels
and TikToks.

1317
00:53:33,367 --> 00:53:36,811
Of those clips, ~ you'll be able to see
that on your T V,

1318
00:53:36,811 --> 00:53:39,364
I guess. But they really want you to just
use the Netflix app on your phone.

1319
00:53:39,364 --> 00:53:41,888
So, you know, just put it right next to
Instagram and TikTok.

1320
00:53:41,888 --> 00:53:43,910
You just do I want to scroll vertical
videos?

1321
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:46,193
Yeah. Netflix is the place I go for that.

1322
00:53:46,193 --> 00:53:49,407
I don't know. This is like a quibby
situation.

1323
00:53:50,016 --> 00:53:55,860
It's not a quibby situation. What it is is
a situation where Netflix

1324
00:53:56,881 --> 00:54:01,974
is seeing that the the key to creating
more engagement and getting people

1325
00:54:01,974 --> 00:54:04,346
to spend more time on, especially now that
they have ads.

1326
00:54:04,346 --> 00:54:08,899
The way you serve more ads is getting
people to spend more time with their
eyeballs

1327
00:54:08,899 --> 00:54:11,961
pointed at your app. And the way to do
that is to have more content.

1328
00:54:11,961 --> 00:54:15,474
And at some point you reach a thing where
like it's not productive

1329
00:54:15,474 --> 00:54:17,345
or cost effective for us to pay,

1330
00:54:17,345 --> 00:54:18,366
you know.

1331
00:54:18,708 --> 00:54:21,010
The people who make stranger things to
make other shows.

1332
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:24,793
What if we just had BuzzFeed load its
money the load its stuff in?

1333
00:54:24,793 --> 00:54:28,136
Like you know what I mean? It's like it's
like I don't think that that's what people

1334
00:54:25,388 --> 00:54:26,388
Right.

1335
00:54:28,136 --> 00:54:33,010
expect from Netflix. And so I don't think
that this is a thing that's gonna last.

1336
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,750
The most meta thing, not meta the company,

1337
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:39,233
but just meta like the term, is if you're
scrolling the vertical videos

1338
00:54:39,253 --> 00:54:43,195
on the Netflix app while you're not
watching the Netflix content

1339
00:54:43,195 --> 00:54:48,189
in the background on your TV. That'll be
that'll

1340
00:54:44,669 --> 00:54:50,009
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And at that point you
might as well just open TikTok.

1341
00:54:48,189 --> 00:54:51,661
be re this That's the singularity right
there.

1342
00:54:51,661 --> 00:54:53,362
I don't know, I don't know what happens if
you do that.

1343
00:54:53,362 --> 00:54:57,735
Apple, they're gonna try and relieve some
of this chip business.

1344
00:54:57,735 --> 00:54:59,586
Well, the first one is not necessarily RAM
and storage,

1345
00:54:59,586 --> 00:55:01,918
but they're going to increase their
spending with Broadcom.

1346
00:55:02,562 --> 00:55:04,043
To produce more chips in the US.

1347
00:55:04,043 --> 00:55:07,655
And this will be like the cellular
connectivity or other wireless
connectivity,

1348
00:55:07,655 --> 00:55:12,658
like the C1X or the N1 chips. They're
gonna try and they want to make more chips

1349
00:55:12,758 --> 00:55:15,799
in the US, and they're investing in
Broadcom to do that.

1350
00:55:15,799 --> 00:55:20,262
And alongside that, they're also testing
DRAM chips from

1351
00:55:20,262 --> 00:55:24,384
a banned Chinese supplier, CXMT.

1352
00:55:24,384 --> 00:55:27,806
The Financial Times reported that Apple is
investigating using them for RAM,

1353
00:55:27,806 --> 00:55:30,898
but only for devices in China.

1354
00:55:31,128 --> 00:55:33,039
So this wouldn't be for iPhones in the US,

1355
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,092
but I think because it is actually banned.

1356
00:55:35,092 --> 00:55:38,236
Side note, my software update is about to
install on my main iPhone.

1357
00:55:38,236 --> 00:55:40,288
I'm getting nervous now. so anyway,

1358
00:55:40,288 --> 00:55:44,643
the Apple's testing the DRAM for Chinese
devices from CXMT.

1359
00:55:44,643 --> 00:55:47,286
They're doing everything they can to save
money here.

1360
00:55:47,286 --> 00:55:48,968
That's the idea.

1361
00:55:49,265 --> 00:55:52,236
Yeah. I mean this we'll we'll see.

1362
00:55:52,236 --> 00:55:53,996
The the chip thing is interesting.

1363
00:55:53,996 --> 00:55:57,386
I do I found it really like this is one of
those re it like in the press release

1364
00:55:57,386 --> 00:56:02,759
it says we're going to spend thirty
billion dollars to make fifteen billion
chips.

1365
00:56:02,759 --> 00:56:04,479
I'm like, the chips two dollars apiece.

1366
00:56:04,479 --> 00:56:08,281
Okay. Like I don't feel like we typically
get component cost information from

1367
00:56:07,958 --> 00:56:10,270
That right. Right.

1368
00:56:08,281 --> 00:56:11,712
processes from Apple and it's gonna create
a bunch of American jobs.

1369
00:56:11,712 --> 00:56:16,423
~ you know, the I don't know what this is
replacing.

1370
00:56:17,161 --> 00:56:19,554
Like that's the piece of this I don't
fully understand.

1371
00:56:19,554 --> 00:56:22,708
~ they want to produce billions more US
chips,

1372
00:56:22,708 --> 00:56:27,217
but I think the implication from this when
people think of chips is like,

1373
00:56:27,217 --> 00:56:30,949
you're making the seven. No, that's that's
not what's happening here.

1374
00:56:30,187 --> 00:56:32,477
No. But I mean there's still out

1375
00:56:30,949 --> 00:56:32,761
They're not making that stuff.

1376
00:56:32,941 --> 00:56:36,847
there are still Apple devices that don't
use the C one X and N one chips,

1377
00:56:36,847 --> 00:56:40,953
I don't think. Ma hey, maybe this means
cellular MacBooks.

1378
00:56:40,953 --> 00:56:44,759
That would be nice. Probably not,

1379
00:56:44,759 --> 00:56:45,759
but it would be nice.

1380
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:45,809
Do you think we're gonna

1381
00:56:45,618 --> 00:56:46,618
ever get them?

1382
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,773
On an infinite time scale.

1383
00:56:48,423 --> 00:56:49,829
Okay. In the next five

1384
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:52,348
years. I guess I realize I should put a
little bit of a time.

1385
00:56:53,622 --> 00:56:54,622
You know what I'm gonna say yes.

1386
00:56:54,525 --> 00:56:59,109
I think within the next five years we'll
finally get a C one X cellular chip

1387
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:01,276
in a MacBook Air. I think we'll do it.

1388
00:57:01,511 --> 00:57:05,533
And do you think the reason we don't have
one now is because

1389
00:57:05,533 --> 00:57:08,754
Tim Cook likes tethering and John Turnus
is like this is dumb,

1390
00:57:08,754 --> 00:57:09,995
let's just put the chip in there?

1391
00:57:09,995 --> 00:57:12,606
Or that there's some other reason for it.

1392
00:57:10,592 --> 00:57:11,592
Mm.

1393
00:57:12,606 --> 00:57:16,438
Because hear me out. Based on this
release,

1394
00:57:14,753 --> 00:57:15,753
Mm.

1395
00:57:16,438 --> 00:57:19,319
feels like these chips are not very
expensive.

1396
00:57:19,319 --> 00:57:24,452
Like it doesn't seem like the reason we
don't have them in max is because

1397
00:57:20,941 --> 00:57:21,941
Sure.

1398
00:57:24,452 --> 00:57:26,703
it would not be cost effective to put them
in max.

1399
00:57:26,703 --> 00:57:27,703
Also

1400
00:57:27,116 --> 00:57:28,116
Well here's

1401
00:57:28,038 --> 00:57:32,908
here's my question. Does the iPhone
seventeen

1402
00:57:33,229 --> 00:57:36,266
Pro Series use Apple's C one X chip?

1403
00:57:36,266 --> 00:57:38,139
Because I thought they were like slowly

1404
00:57:37,887 --> 00:57:38,887
I think the air

1405
00:57:38,582 --> 00:57:41,000
in the seventeen E, maybe, is that right?

1406
00:57:41,354 --> 00:57:43,425
Right. Like that's why that's what I'm
like.

1407
00:57:43,425 --> 00:57:49,427
I think the let's make sure our own
cellular connectivity chip is good.

1408
00:57:49,427 --> 00:57:53,229
I think that's why and also MM Wave,

1409
00:57:53,229 --> 00:57:59,472
for whatever reason, that was not in the C
one X chip and so they might

1410
00:57:59,472 --> 00:58:01,012
be waiting till they can, you know,

1411
00:58:01,012 --> 00:58:04,644
support all of that. And so I think it's
just the early days.

1412
00:58:04,644 --> 00:58:06,925
I think as it rolls out to all the
devices,

1413
00:58:06,925 --> 00:58:09,686
like I imagine the iPhone eighteen and
eighteen pro this fall.

1414
00:58:10,124 --> 00:58:12,965
We'll get whatever the latest Apple's
cellular chip is.

1415
00:58:12,965 --> 00:58:15,086
Maybe it'll be like the C two X or
something.

1416
00:58:15,086 --> 00:58:17,175
And then I could see like, all right,

1417
00:58:17,175 --> 00:58:20,108
once this is in all of our current
cellular devices,

1418
00:58:20,108 --> 00:58:23,549
iPhones, iPads, which the iPad has the C
one X chip,

1419
00:58:23,549 --> 00:58:25,670
then if you have a cellular version,

1420
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:28,731
then I th I think they would they would
move it to the MacBooks.

1421
00:58:28,731 --> 00:58:31,292
I think I think they'll do it within five
years.

1422
00:58:31,292 --> 00:58:32,412
We'll see who's right.

1423
00:58:31,893 --> 00:58:32,893
So you think

1424
00:58:32,503 --> 00:58:35,404
that they just didn't w that is another
argument because like

1425
00:58:35,404 --> 00:58:39,876
the patent whatever with Qualcomm you had
to pay a percentage of the device cost

1426
00:58:39,876 --> 00:58:43,567
in a map did you see the current prices of
MacBook Pros right now?

1427
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:47,836
That is true. That is true. So I think
yeah.

1428
00:58:43,567 --> 00:58:45,458
Like they just went up by a lot.

1429
00:58:45,458 --> 00:58:48,087
So that that is understandable.

1430
00:58:47,836 --> 00:58:49,138
I've come together.

1431
00:58:48,087 --> 00:58:51,550
The the Pro Series does have the N1
wireless networking chips,

1432
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:52,560
they just don't have the cellular.

1433
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,113
Right, exactly, exactly. So I think that's
that's the thing.

1434
00:58:56,113 --> 00:58:57,905
Once it rolls out to the whole iPhone
lineup,

1435
00:58:57,905 --> 00:59:00,969
then maybe I think within five years we
might see it in the MacBook.

1436
00:59:00,969 --> 00:59:03,171
I th I could see that. All right.

1437
00:59:03,171 --> 00:59:06,295
We'll see. If we're we'll still be doing
this podcast in five years.

1438
00:59:05,896 --> 00:59:06,931
I think the Neo already

1439
00:59:06,295 --> 00:59:07,295
We'll come back.

1440
00:59:06,931 --> 00:59:08,809
has a has an iPhone chip in it,

1441
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:10,205
so maybe they could just make that one
have

1442
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,860
That is it literally does. Not this is the
wireless chip,

1443
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:15,202
but yeah, it does. Well it does never
mind.

1444
00:59:15,202 --> 00:59:16,642
I don't know if the Neo has the N1 chip,

1445
00:59:16,642 --> 00:59:20,813
but it has the A19.

1446
00:59:17,224 --> 00:59:20,820
I don't know either, but it does
definitely have an iPhone processor in it.

1447
00:59:20,813 --> 00:59:26,655
Yeah. this was fun. Pocketcast is
constantly trying to woo me back because

1448
00:59:26,655 --> 00:59:31,086
now they've added first of all an entire
liquid No.

1449
00:59:28,746 --> 00:59:30,397
Wait, you're not using pocket casts?

1450
00:59:31,086 --> 00:59:33,547
No, I've been using the Apple Podcast app.

1451
00:59:32,596 --> 00:59:34,046
We don't have time to talk about this
today,

1452
00:59:33,547 --> 00:59:36,068
I've been using the Apple Podcast app.

1453
00:59:34,046 --> 00:59:35,485
but I did not know that.

1454
00:59:36,068 --> 00:59:37,368
One

1455
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,532
It's because I mean Apple's been doing the
video stuff,

1456
00:59:40,532 --> 00:59:44,364
and so I need to be in the Apple Podcast
app a lot to like see all

1457
00:59:44,364 --> 00:59:48,546
the stuff is working. And the Apple
Podcast app's pretty good.

1458
00:59:48,546 --> 00:59:52,969
It has the transcripts, it has the
automated chapters for shows that

1459
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:55,471
I would it's nice to have those chapters.

1460
00:59:55,471 --> 00:59:59,293
And the design of the Apple Podcast app is
still one of the best.

1461
00:59:59,293 --> 01:00:01,875
Their up next queue is with the worst of
all the apps,

1462
01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:03,586
and I've said that many times in many
videos.

1463
01:00:03,634 --> 01:00:06,627
Also there are a cross device sync of
where you're at and a podcast

1464
01:00:06,627 --> 01:00:10,241
is terrible compared to pocket c but it's
still terrible.

1465
01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:09,088
It's gotten better it's gotten better.

1466
01:00:09,088 --> 01:00:12,112
I don't know if it's terrible though.

1467
01:00:10,241 --> 01:00:14,395
It's like okay, it went from horrible to
bad to like

1468
01:00:12,112 --> 01:00:13,112
Like

1469
01:00:15,338 --> 01:00:18,134
It's it's that I'll agree to. It's mayor
right now.

1470
01:00:18,134 --> 01:00:19,134
It's mayor.

1471
01:00:18,228 --> 01:00:19,228
But

1472
01:00:18,953 --> 01:00:20,484
~

1473
01:00:21,022 --> 01:00:26,806
It is so solid, it's annoying because the
syncing playback and the up next

1474
01:00:23,092 --> 01:00:24,291
Yeah.

1475
01:00:26,806 --> 01:00:28,927
cue for PocketCast has always been like,

1476
01:00:28,927 --> 01:00:32,580
man, I really want to because I PocketCast
was my default for many years.

1477
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:38,194
And once Apple Podcast started some of the
redesigns and such and the subscriptions,

1478
01:00:38,194 --> 01:00:42,127
like I moved back because I do have a
couple paid subscriptions in there,

1479
01:00:42,127 --> 01:00:45,430
but it's not listen, there's a lot of
things not great about it.

1480
01:00:45,332 --> 01:00:47,433
This is what I want. I want

1481
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:47,291
What I want.

1482
01:00:47,433 --> 01:00:51,886
basically pocket casts, but I would
appreciate all the video features from
Maple

1483
01:00:51,886 --> 01:00:57,438
Podcasts. And then the single greatest
podcast feature that any

1484
01:00:53,739 --> 01:00:54,739
Yes.

1485
01:00:57,439 --> 01:01:00,800
app has ever introduced is what Marco
Arment did in Overcast,

1486
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,337
where if you accidentally touch your
screen and you hit the slider and

1487
01:01:04,337 --> 01:01:07,044
it jumps to some really ridiculous but you
can go back.

1488
01:01:07,044 --> 01:01:10,315
Every podcast and listen,

1489
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:08,768
You can go back. There's a go back.

1490
01:01:10,315 --> 01:01:15,018
it should be a law. Any podcast app that
has a live activity.

1491
01:01:12,232 --> 01:01:13,232
Ha ha.

1492
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:16,921
Is that what we call those things on the
home screen?

1493
01:01:16,921 --> 01:01:20,344
A live activity? That has a should be
required to implement that feature.

1494
01:01:17,130 --> 01:01:18,130
Yes, live activity.

1495
01:01:20,344 --> 01:01:22,866
Because the number of times you pull your
phone out of your off

1496
01:01:20,449 --> 01:01:21,449
The put back feature.

1497
01:01:22,866 --> 01:01:24,787
the charging thing in your car,

1498
01:01:24,787 --> 01:01:26,088
you're holding it in your hand,

1499
01:01:24,991 --> 01:01:25,991
Yeah, it is.

1500
01:01:26,088 --> 01:01:27,359
you accidentally touch the screen,

1501
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:30,612
and suddenly you went like 37 minutes into
the future on pocket,

1502
01:01:30,122 --> 01:01:31,122
Yes.

1503
01:01:30,612 --> 01:01:33,474
there's a zero percent chance you know
where you were.

1504
01:01:33,474 --> 01:01:35,856
You're never gonna get back to that spot.

1505
01:01:33,697 --> 01:01:34,697
It's true.

1506
01:01:36,245 --> 01:01:38,152
Jason is not typically for government
oversight,

1507
01:01:38,152 --> 01:01:41,664
but when it comes to this, this should be
this should be a lot.

1508
01:01:39,252 --> 01:01:43,200
This should be a law. At least Apple
should make a law

1509
01:01:41,664 --> 01:01:43,069
I agree. That five features amazing.

1510
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,668
that if you use this feature, you also
have to include this.

1511
01:01:45,355 --> 01:01:46,355
Yeah.

1512
01:01:46,957 --> 01:01:49,909
Yes. So all that to say, Apple Podcasts up
next queue.

1513
01:01:49,909 --> 01:01:51,581
And I've told people at Apple directly,

1514
01:01:51,581 --> 01:01:52,942
like, hey, you're up next queue.

1515
01:01:52,942 --> 01:01:56,266
You need to just rip what Pocketcast does
because your Q is bad.

1516
01:01:56,266 --> 01:02:00,650
Like you can't move episodes from the
continue playing to the queue.

1517
01:02:00,650 --> 01:02:05,114
And the Q will let you add the same
episode eighteen times.

1518
01:02:05,114 --> 01:02:08,868
And then you might just hear the same
episode start after you just finish it.

1519
01:02:08,868 --> 01:02:09,868
Like it's it's bad.

1520
01:02:10,531 --> 01:02:12,731
But I still I stick with the guy like the
design,

1521
01:02:12,731 --> 01:02:14,053
I like the automated chapters,

1522
01:02:14,053 --> 01:02:17,946
but Pocket Cass now it has a complete
liquid glass redesign,

1523
01:02:17,946 --> 01:02:22,329
and they've now brought chapter artwork
everywhere.

1524
01:02:22,329 --> 01:02:25,030
There's chapter artwork on CarPlay,

1525
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:27,732
chapter artwork will show in the control
center,

1526
01:02:27,732 --> 01:02:30,814
which I don't think even Apple Podcast
does that.

1527
01:02:30,814 --> 01:02:34,977
You have to go into the app to see the the
chapter artwork,

1528
01:02:34,977 --> 01:02:37,478
and so it's ~ it's gotten really good,

1529
01:02:37,478 --> 01:02:39,740
and now I'm like, maybe I need to.

1530
01:02:40,876 --> 01:02:43,602
Maybe. So anyway. Pocket cast.

1531
01:02:43,602 --> 01:02:46,419
It's a great app. And I might try it
again.

1532
01:02:46,419 --> 01:02:49,396
We'll see. We'll see. You you you use
Pocket Cast still?

1533
01:02:49,628 --> 01:02:50,999
I do and I only have one complaint,

1534
01:02:50,999 --> 01:02:53,612
which is that the widget, at least the
small widget,

1535
01:02:53,612 --> 01:02:58,006
sometimes you tap the play thing and it
changes to look like it's playing

1536
01:02:58,006 --> 01:02:59,377
and literally nothing happens.

1537
01:02:59,377 --> 01:03:03,621
And then you tap it again and it says
pause and then it starts playing,

1538
01:03:03,621 --> 01:03:06,524
but it says pa like there's some weird
disconnect there.

1539
01:03:05,654 --> 01:03:06,654
Well,

1540
01:03:06,645 --> 01:03:09,638
I could tell you Apple Podcast widget does
the exact same thing.

1541
01:03:09,256 --> 01:03:12,144
Okay. So it's a podcast widget problem.

1542
01:03:09,638 --> 01:03:10,769
'Cause I have the pockets widget.

1543
01:03:10,769 --> 01:03:14,193
I think it's a widget play button issue.

1544
01:03:14,193 --> 01:03:16,926
~ it's not not pocket cast. Yeah.

1545
01:03:14,260 --> 01:03:17,113
Okay. It's super weird. It's like you have
to like prime

1546
01:03:17,113 --> 01:03:18,113
it a little bit and you're like,

1547
01:03:18,044 --> 01:03:20,633
I'm about to play something, so I'm
pushing the button and then it's like,

1548
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:20,796
You gotta warm it up. You gotta warm it
up.

1549
01:03:20,633 --> 01:03:21,994
okay, I'm ready. And then you push it
again,

1550
01:03:21,994 --> 01:03:23,249
it's like, I'm here, here we go.

1551
01:03:23,249 --> 01:03:26,923
But it flips the wrong switch and like the
eye the interface doesn't match what's

1552
01:03:24,737 --> 01:03:25,737
Yes.

1553
01:03:26,923 --> 01:03:31,637
actually happening. Yeah, it's like what
what's going on?

1554
01:03:27,434 --> 01:03:28,757
It's like the inside out emotions.

1555
01:03:28,757 --> 01:03:29,796
They're all pulling the levers like,

1556
01:03:29,796 --> 01:03:31,532
Wait, do we play it? Do we pause?

1557
01:03:31,532 --> 01:03:32,674
What does he want?

1558
01:03:31,637 --> 01:03:34,200
I don't know, just make some sound.

1559
01:03:34,758 --> 01:03:37,193
He'll play something. Just skip forward
thirty minutes.

1560
01:03:37,193 --> 01:03:38,193
He'll love that.

1561
01:03:37,374 --> 01:03:38,374
That actually

1562
01:03:37,914 --> 01:03:41,227
happens sometimes too, where I will go
into the pocket cast and I will

1563
01:03:41,387 --> 01:03:45,149
p tap a episode and it starts playing,

1564
01:03:45,149 --> 01:03:47,191
but the widget hasn't refreshed.

1565
01:03:47,191 --> 01:03:49,713
So then if I go and I'm like, I need to
pause it,

1566
01:03:49,713 --> 01:03:51,324
I don't realize the widget hasn't
refreshed.

1567
01:03:51,324 --> 01:03:57,018
So when I tap the the icon, it actually
starts playing whatever podcast

1568
01:03:57,018 --> 01:03:58,499
is still in the widget interface.

1569
01:03:58,499 --> 01:04:00,811
It's like, No, no, no, I didn't want
anything to be happening right now.

1570
01:04:00,811 --> 01:04:03,262
I wanted to stop and it's like you not
only did you not do that,

1571
01:04:00,887 --> 01:04:01,887
Right.

1572
01:04:03,262 --> 01:04:05,664
you switched to playing something else.

1573
01:04:04,778 --> 01:04:05,778
Yes.

1574
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:09,450
Yeah, it it is it is weird. Fix the
widgets.

1575
01:04:06,718 --> 01:04:08,349
So widgets, fix the widgets, people.

1576
01:04:09,450 --> 01:04:12,652
~ Claude has now put cowork on mobile.

1577
01:04:12,652 --> 01:04:17,015
So you can now run Claude Cowork tasks
from your iPhone or Android device

1578
01:04:17,415 --> 01:04:20,616
and it's moving Claude cowork tasks to the
cloud,

1579
01:04:20,616 --> 01:04:23,498
which my other co-host, David Sparks,

1580
01:04:23,498 --> 01:04:28,000
has some questions about and some concerns
because he has a lot of cowork tasks

1581
01:04:28,361 --> 01:04:30,822
and he likes running them locally on his
Mac.

1582
01:04:30,822 --> 01:04:34,514
And now it seems like cowork tasks will
run in the cloud by default.

1583
01:04:34,722 --> 01:04:38,393
Which means your stuff is just going to
the cloud immediately.

1584
01:04:38,393 --> 01:04:43,015
I'm curious how that will work with tasks
that have to do with your local files,

1585
01:04:43,015 --> 01:04:47,057
obviously. Because the claw Claude is
saying you could start a cowork task,

1586
01:04:47,057 --> 01:04:50,598
close your laptop lid, and it will keep
going because it's in the cloud

1587
01:04:50,598 --> 01:04:54,239
and not your laptop. But if you ask Claude
Cowork to rename a thousand files

1588
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:58,261
in a folder, I imagine it's gonna stop
when you close your laptop lid.

1589
01:04:58,261 --> 01:05:02,382
So it's uncle It better that's true.

1590
01:04:59,164 --> 01:05:01,577
It better stop when you close your laptop

1591
01:05:02,382 --> 01:05:04,063
It better stop. So unclear.

1592
01:05:04,385 --> 01:05:07,039
They also moved co work into the chat.

1593
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:10,353
And I've been hearing John Gruber and Ben
Thompson complain about

1594
01:05:10,353 --> 01:05:13,738
the Claude app every day, every dithering
episode I seen it seems like

1595
01:05:13,738 --> 01:05:17,593
for the last three weeks. I'm not that mad
about the Mac Claude app.

1596
01:05:17,593 --> 01:05:21,388
I think it's fine. Do you are you mad at
the Claude app that it's like Electron

1597
01:05:21,388 --> 01:05:22,388
or whatever?

1598
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:28,933
I'm not mad at it, except I'm super not I
don't appreciate that what

1599
01:05:24,215 --> 01:05:25,215
Sure.

1600
01:05:28,933 --> 01:05:32,004
you just described, that they moved cowork
to the chat interface.

1601
01:05:32,004 --> 01:05:33,875
I they should not have done that.

1602
01:05:33,875 --> 01:05:37,096
I know why they did that. They are trying
to get people who have no idea what

1603
01:05:35,499 --> 01:05:36,499
Yes.

1604
01:05:37,096 --> 01:05:41,388
the word cowork means to start using
co-work for whatever reason,

1605
01:05:39,499 --> 01:05:40,499
Yes.

1606
01:05:41,388 --> 01:05:46,000
but I think that it was it's a bad it's
bad because it's just bad because there

1607
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,181
is three different things that you might
do with the Claude app.

1608
01:05:48,181 --> 01:05:50,752
They are distinct. Chat, cowork,

1609
01:05:50,752 --> 01:05:51,752
code.

1610
01:05:51,478 --> 01:05:52,478
I know.

1611
01:05:51,828 --> 01:05:53,649
Those three things should have remained
separate.

1612
01:05:53,649 --> 01:05:57,493
I don't like the fact that they h that
they moved it there.

1613
01:05:57,493 --> 01:05:59,174
In fact, the other day when the update
happened,

1614
01:05:59,174 --> 01:06:02,938
I'm like s I spent a significant amount of
time trying to figure out where

1615
01:06:02,938 --> 01:06:06,941
did why are my cowork things I have like
four of them that run on a regular basis.

1616
01:06:06,941 --> 01:06:08,703
Why are they suddenly in with my chats?

1617
01:06:07,081 --> 01:06:10,374
Yeah. Yes. If

1618
01:06:08,703 --> 01:06:10,346
What's going on here? Yeah.

1619
01:06:10,374 --> 01:06:11,935
you're not I'm gonna show it right here.

1620
01:06:11,935 --> 01:06:14,056
If you've not updated your Claude Mac app
yet,

1621
01:06:14,056 --> 01:06:17,459
now in the top left corner there's home
and code.

1622
01:06:17,459 --> 01:06:20,701
Those it used to be home or it used to be
chat,

1623
01:06:20,094 --> 01:06:21,511
You say chat. Yeah.

1624
01:06:20,701 --> 01:06:25,485
cowork, code. Now it's just the two tabs
there and it's in the chat window

1625
01:06:25,485 --> 01:06:29,528
on the right where it says you can switch
between chat and cowork.

1626
01:06:29,528 --> 01:06:32,471
I don't I don't care for that,

1627
01:06:32,471 --> 01:06:33,471
I don't think.

1628
01:06:33,321 --> 01:06:34,942
No, I don't at all. I don't like it.

1629
01:06:34,942 --> 01:06:39,997
I I I think it's yeah. So that is not a
function of why the their reason

1630
01:06:39,997 --> 01:06:42,288
for the app is like there's a couple
things.

1631
01:06:42,288 --> 01:06:44,911
It's an electron app, so really you're
just looking at the same thing

1632
01:06:44,911 --> 01:06:48,844
you could see in Chrome. Except for I
don't think on the online like if

1633
01:06:48,844 --> 01:06:52,977
you you open claude.ai in the br in
Chrome,

1634
01:06:52,258 --> 01:06:55,757
Browser. Cowork. Well,

1635
01:06:52,977 --> 01:06:55,019
you cannot use clo claud code,

1636
01:06:55,019 --> 01:06:58,602
right? Sure.

1637
01:06:55,757 --> 01:06:58,504
you can't use cowork, I don't think to
like rename your files either.

1638
01:06:58,504 --> 01:06:59,818
So, you know, all that.

1639
01:06:58,602 --> 01:07:00,744
Right. So there's that part of it.

1640
01:07:01,194 --> 01:07:02,675
There's definitely some benefits to it,

1641
01:07:02,675 --> 01:07:07,728
but it doesn't do a lot of the things that
you would expect a native Mac app to do.

1642
01:07:07,728 --> 01:07:13,101
It doesn't bother me a ton, but the one
thing I wish it was capable

1643
01:07:13,101 --> 01:07:16,533
of doing is the thing the Chad GPT app
does.

1644
01:07:16,533 --> 01:07:18,645
And they talked about this in the latest
episode of Dithering,

1645
01:07:18,645 --> 01:07:23,878
which is if I have Chad GPT open and I
switch over to a notes app,

1646
01:07:23,878 --> 01:07:25,819
to the notes app, for example,

1647
01:07:25,408 --> 01:07:26,408
Right.

1648
01:07:25,819 --> 01:07:27,090
which I don't use because I use context.

1649
01:07:27,274 --> 01:07:30,478
But if you switch over to the notes app
and then you switch back to chat GPT,

1650
01:07:30,478 --> 01:07:33,861
it'll say, Do you want me to connect to
Apple Notes?

1651
01:07:33,861 --> 01:07:35,693
It looks like you're doing something over
there.

1652
01:07:35,693 --> 01:07:40,149
And if you do that, you can have a chat
that uses that content.

1653
01:07:40,149 --> 01:07:42,071
You can have it if if you update that
note,

1654
01:07:42,071 --> 01:07:44,964
it stays connected. And you cannot do that
with CloudApp.

1655
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,705
No, but I also didn't use that with Chat
GPT either,

1656
01:07:48,705 --> 01:07:50,448
so no. Okay.

1657
01:07:49,096 --> 01:07:50,687
really? I've done that a lot. Yeah,

1658
01:07:50,687 --> 01:07:52,680
I've done it a lot of times. 'Cause it's
it's it's

1659
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:56,694
it's great. I mean, I wish that they would
incorporate that into the cloud app.

1660
01:07:56,694 --> 01:07:59,007
The problem is I don't think that they can
with an electron app.

1661
01:07:59,007 --> 01:08:01,613
And secondly, I don't think that they can
because they just moved all

1662
01:08:01,613 --> 01:08:02,911
the stuff it's doing to the cloud,

1663
01:08:02,911 --> 01:08:03,911
not local.

1664
01:08:04,032 --> 01:08:07,824
Right. We yeah. So I don't it I don't my
cowork tasks,

1665
01:08:07,824 --> 01:08:09,084
I don't think it'll affect me too much,

1666
01:08:09,084 --> 01:08:11,775
but I will have to follow up with David
because he was having

1667
01:08:11,775 --> 01:08:13,076
an existential crisis the other day.

1668
01:08:13,076 --> 01:08:17,958
here we go. My iPhone is now on iOS twenty
seven beta three,

1669
01:08:17,958 --> 01:08:20,499
my twenty seven my seventeen pro Max.

1670
01:08:20,499 --> 01:08:22,120
I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little nervous,

1671
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,601
Jason. I may already regret doing this.

1672
01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:27,102
And I I don't know, we'll see.

1673
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:26,180
Already?

1674
01:08:27,102 --> 01:08:31,218
We'll see how many devices say not
responding in the home app and then I'll
I'll

1675
01:08:31,218 --> 01:08:32,218
pass judgment.

1676
01:08:32,553 --> 01:08:34,836
All devices no devices are responding.

1677
01:08:34,836 --> 01:08:37,699
I did want to try Siri AI on the watch,

1678
01:08:37,699 --> 01:08:39,301
which is now there in the beta three.

1679
01:08:39,301 --> 01:08:41,874
So I will be I think I'm gonna update my
watch to beta three as well.

1680
01:08:41,874 --> 01:08:45,619
Are you gonna do that? Yeah,

1681
01:08:44,096 --> 01:08:46,529
Sure, want me to do it now? Hey Siri,

1682
01:08:45,619 --> 01:08:49,373
we'll do it right now. All right,

1683
01:08:46,529 --> 01:08:47,654
update to beta three.

1684
01:08:49,373 --> 01:08:51,416
last thing before I talk about the meta
glasses.

1685
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,080
I'm not

1686
01:08:51,581 --> 01:08:52,764
sure what you're trying to edit.

1687
01:08:52,764 --> 01:08:54,147
That's what it just told me. Okay.

1688
01:08:54,078 --> 01:08:55,078
good.

1689
01:08:54,147 --> 01:08:55,147
Anyway.

1690
01:08:54,448 --> 01:08:55,479
Yeah. Well, it's on the watch.

1691
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,710
It's not smart Siri yet. OpenAI also
released new voice models,

1692
01:08:56,894 --> 01:08:57,894
Not at all.

1693
01:08:59,710 --> 01:09:03,092
more nat like better natural
conversations.

1694
01:09:03,092 --> 01:09:05,453
It can listen and talk at the same time,

1695
01:09:05,453 --> 01:09:07,714
which that's kind of impressive.

1696
01:09:07,714 --> 01:09:12,176
It also feels like these AI companies
understand that Siri AI is coming

1697
01:09:12,536 --> 01:09:17,698
and they are trying to make their voice
products and assistance as good as
possible.

1698
01:09:17,698 --> 01:09:21,540
And yeah, so there's that. The the ad for
this was interesting.

1699
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:22,540
It was like

1700
01:09:22,316 --> 01:09:25,740
These elderly ladies and it was like new
voice chat and all this kind of stuff.

1701
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:27,172
I thought that was interesting.

1702
01:09:27,172 --> 01:09:29,495
But anyway, I've not listened to it,

1703
01:09:29,495 --> 01:09:31,488
so have you heard it? Like have you
listened to it?

1704
01:09:30,996 --> 01:09:31,996
No.

1705
01:09:31,656 --> 01:09:34,878
I'm not really using the ChatGPT app for a
lot anymore.

1706
01:09:34,878 --> 01:09:38,040
I mean, I'm mostly just using the Claude
app.

1707
01:09:35,785 --> 01:09:36,785
really?

1708
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,752
Four former sponsor, they didn't pay me to
say that.

1709
01:09:40,752 --> 01:09:43,244
I pay for Claude Max, like all that stuff.

1710
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:43,720
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1711
01:09:43,244 --> 01:09:45,405
I'm just that's just mostly what I'm
using.

1712
01:09:45,405 --> 01:09:49,047
There are a couple things that I do open
the Chat GPT app for,

1713
01:09:49,047 --> 01:09:53,871
and it's basically b if I want to do
something that is an extension

1714
01:09:53,871 --> 01:09:55,876
of a previous conversation I've already
had in

1715
01:09:56,266 --> 01:09:59,729
Chat GPT, I know you could there are ways
you can get all that information

1716
01:09:56,513 --> 01:09:57,513
Right.

1717
01:09:59,729 --> 01:10:00,831
and put it into Cloud, that's fine,

1718
01:10:00,831 --> 01:10:03,924
but you know what's easier? Just asking
the Chat GPT app a question.

1719
01:10:03,792 --> 01:10:04,792
Sure,

1720
01:10:04,653 --> 01:10:08,826
sure. Okay, well now my my iPhone
seventeen Pro Max is optimizing.

1721
01:10:08,826 --> 01:10:11,218
Search and see it is indexing all the
things.

1722
01:10:09,854 --> 01:10:11,554
Yeah.

1723
01:10:11,218 --> 01:10:14,390
My iPhone is gonna be one thousand degrees
for the next

1724
01:10:13,886 --> 01:10:14,926
Mine is pretty

1725
01:10:14,926 --> 01:10:17,971
warm right now. I'm gonna set it on my
desk and I put my cup of coffee on

1726
01:10:17,971 --> 01:10:19,964
top of it so it'll reheat the coffee.

1727
01:10:20,418 --> 01:10:22,190
I was gonna say to cool down the iPhone.

1728
01:10:22,190 --> 01:10:25,344
~ reheat the coffee. All right.

1729
01:10:22,418 --> 01:10:23,703
No, to reheat the coffee.

1730
01:10:25,344 --> 01:10:27,326
I want to talk about meta glasses.

1731
01:10:27,326 --> 01:10:30,991
~ these are the meta fury glasses.

1732
01:10:30,991 --> 01:10:35,136
My the social media reactions are very
polarized.

1733
01:10:35,136 --> 01:10:37,720
People have strong feelings.

1734
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,453
Do you think that's why they named it
Fury?

1735
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:41,941
That'd be good. That'd be good.

1736
01:10:41,941 --> 01:10:45,834
People a someone asked on Mastodon,

1737
01:10:45,834 --> 01:10:46,834
rightfully so, they were like,

1738
01:10:46,504 --> 01:10:49,656
You guys on the podcast talk so much about
how Meta is a bad company,

1739
01:10:49,656 --> 01:10:51,107
and then you went and bought their
glasses.

1740
01:10:51,107 --> 01:10:55,850
Now, I understand that might be seemingly
contradictory,

1741
01:10:55,850 --> 01:10:58,082
but we talked a lot of crap about humane.

1742
01:10:58,082 --> 01:11:02,175
And I still bought that stupid pin because
new technology,

1743
01:11:02,175 --> 01:11:05,217
I c I think it is my job or part of my
job,

1744
01:11:05,217 --> 01:11:07,619
to like test these things and understand
how they work.

1745
01:11:07,619 --> 01:11:09,430
And can this even be useful?

1746
01:11:10,058 --> 01:11:11,688
And when it comes to smart glasses,

1747
01:11:11,688 --> 01:11:13,229
I had not personally tried them.

1748
01:11:13,229 --> 01:11:16,990
I don't consider the Vision Pro in the
smart glasses category.

1749
01:11:16,990 --> 01:11:19,911
I got to try multiple smart glasses at
CES,

1750
01:11:19,911 --> 01:11:24,512
Even Realities, the MIMO from ~ Zo Jimmy.

1751
01:11:24,512 --> 01:11:26,833
I tried their smart glasses. And these,

1752
01:11:26,833 --> 01:11:33,635
I feel like meta of any smart glasses that
you can buy today are the farthest along.

1753
01:11:33,635 --> 01:11:35,615
And if you believe all the rumors,

1754
01:11:35,615 --> 01:11:38,716
it seems like Apple is investigating and
likely getting into this.

1755
01:11:39,276 --> 01:11:42,439
category sometime soon in the near future.

1756
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,223
And so I wanted to know are these actually
useful?

1757
01:11:46,223 --> 01:11:52,070
Do anybody care? And what would it be like
if Apple were to make glasses like these?

1758
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:56,445
And so that was my purpose for getting
these and wanting to try them and see
like,

1759
01:11:56,445 --> 01:11:59,748
is this is this a thing? ~ do you have any
any commentary

1760
01:11:59,748 --> 01:12:01,310
on like that contradiction?

1761
01:12:01,512 --> 01:12:03,793
What I want to say though is to clarify,

1762
01:12:03,793 --> 01:12:05,994
and I'm not throwing Steven under the bus
here.

1763
01:12:05,994 --> 01:12:09,572
Just I wanna clarify that before I clarify
it.

1764
01:12:07,336 --> 01:12:08,336
Okay.

1765
01:12:09,572 --> 01:12:14,948
The I'm just sort of extrapolating on the
comment you referred to.

1766
01:12:14,948 --> 01:12:16,888
I don't know the person. I didn't read the
comment.

1767
01:12:16,888 --> 01:12:18,719
I have no idea, but just based on what you
said,

1768
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:25,032
we ragged on humane because the thing they
made was stupid and didn't

1769
01:12:25,032 --> 01:12:26,593
do the thing they said that it would do.

1770
01:12:26,593 --> 01:12:29,812
Okay. And you bought it.

1771
01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:33,763
But it's so you could talk about how dumb
it was and didn't do the thing that

1772
01:12:33,763 --> 01:12:38,516
it promised to do. That is different than
when we talk about meta.

1773
01:12:38,516 --> 01:12:41,157
We don't think of meta's products as being
dumb,

1774
01:12:41,157 --> 01:12:42,678
we think of them as being malicious.

1775
01:12:42,678 --> 01:12:44,599
And so there is a different distinction
there.

1776
01:12:44,599 --> 01:12:46,659
It's like, well then why would you give
them money for a product?

1777
01:12:46,659 --> 01:12:48,650
I think I agree with everything you said
about it.

1778
01:12:48,650 --> 01:12:50,421
I just I don't know that it's

1779
01:12:50,665 --> 01:12:53,486
that wasn't necessarily the right
comparison to make because like saying,

1780
01:12:52,959 --> 01:12:53,959
Okay, sure.

1781
01:12:53,486 --> 01:12:55,007
Okay, well, I bought humane's AI pen,

1782
01:12:55,007 --> 01:12:56,107
even though we make fun of that.

1783
01:12:56,107 --> 01:12:58,508
Yeah, we make fun of that because it just
didn't do what they promised.

1784
01:12:58,508 --> 01:13:01,590
And the people talking about it sounded
like they'd invented Jesus.

1785
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:04,211
And really what they gave you is like a
paperweight.

1786
01:13:04,211 --> 01:13:07,842
Like to stop working. So there's that.

1787
01:13:05,463 --> 01:13:07,635
Sure. Yeah, that's fair. That is fair.

1788
01:13:07,842 --> 01:13:12,004
I wanted to say that now, I also think
that it is possible to hold

1789
01:13:12,004 --> 01:13:14,210
two contradictory ideas in your head at
the same time.

1790
01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:16,196
No human beings have this capability.

1791
01:13:16,196 --> 01:13:19,117
Well, they're suppos they they're supposed
to have that capability.

1792
01:13:19,353 --> 01:13:20,353
Ideally.

1793
01:13:19,391 --> 01:13:20,391
The internet

1794
01:13:20,122 --> 01:13:22,433
makes people lose that capability
entirely.

1795
01:13:22,433 --> 01:13:25,655
I learned this experience talking to
people in Europe about the

1796
01:13:25,655 --> 01:13:29,808
US men's national team t because of the
whole thing that happened ~ last week.

1797
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:30,430
Yes.

1798
01:13:29,808 --> 01:13:33,811
But ~ so I and when I say militia,

1799
01:13:33,811 --> 01:13:37,494
when I say meta is malicious, that's
probably not entirely fair.

1800
01:13:37,494 --> 01:13:39,165
I don't think that they intend to be that.

1801
01:13:39,165 --> 01:13:43,588
I just think they are laser focused on the
thing that they they want,

1802
01:13:43,588 --> 01:13:45,660
which is like engagement be because again,

1803
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:46,820
they're an advertising business,

1804
01:13:46,820 --> 01:13:47,820
right?

1805
01:13:48,041 --> 01:13:50,326
And so it is hard to square that with,

1806
01:13:50,326 --> 01:13:53,523
Well then why would you wear around
glasses that have cameras that

1807
01:13:53,523 --> 01:13:55,197
are pointed at people with meta?

1808
01:13:56,755 --> 01:13:59,656
And when I do my video this weekend,

1809
01:13:59,656 --> 01:14:01,457
this is kind of like my warm up,

1810
01:14:01,457 --> 01:14:03,877
because I I've filmed a bunch of stuff.

1811
01:14:03,877 --> 01:14:05,958
I've been using them for the last couple
weeks.

1812
01:14:05,958 --> 01:14:07,849
I'm gonna make a YouTube video about it,

1813
01:14:07,849 --> 01:14:11,860
but I kind of wanted this conversation to
help me solidify my thoughts

1814
01:14:11,860 --> 01:14:16,251
and also hear like your questions because
are you yeah have you used like

1815
01:14:16,251 --> 01:14:21,393
I know you use the ~ Google device red.

1816
01:14:18,933 --> 01:14:21,019
I used the Google Pro the Gemini ones,

1817
01:14:21,019 --> 01:14:22,019
XR glasses,

1818
01:14:22,184 --> 01:14:23,879
last year at IO.

1819
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:28,071
And these are different because there's no
screen in these glasses.

1820
01:14:28,071 --> 01:14:29,502
These are not the meta displays.

1821
01:14:29,502 --> 01:14:32,723
So this is just speakers, microphone,

1822
01:14:32,723 --> 01:14:39,586
built-in AI, and the cameras. And a
distinction from like Mimo

1823
01:14:39,766 --> 01:14:41,586
and the Even Realities glasses,

1824
01:14:41,586 --> 01:14:45,068
a lot of those quote unquote AR glasses
don't have cameras.

1825
01:14:45,068 --> 01:14:48,029
And they advertise themselves as like
that's the selling feature.

1826
01:14:48,029 --> 01:14:49,910
Like we don't have cameras in our glasses.

1827
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:53,231
That's why you should use us. But what I
have discovered.

1828
01:14:54,271 --> 01:14:59,213
In the last couple of weeks, having a
camera and being able to ask

1829
01:14:59,213 --> 01:15:04,435
an AI chatbot about what in front of you
without ever hold like having

1830
01:15:04,435 --> 01:15:07,357
to think about pointing a camera or
getting at your phone,

1831
01:15:07,357 --> 01:15:11,178
there are moments where it is really cool
and useful.

1832
01:15:11,178 --> 01:15:16,450
And it is the hardest double-edged sword
because it also means you have

1833
01:15:16,450 --> 01:15:18,581
a camera on your face all the time.

1834
01:15:18,581 --> 01:15:21,973
And that is weird and awkward.

1835
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:22,973
And I'll

1836
01:15:22,475 --> 01:15:25,876
Describe a couple scenarios where it
really comes into play.

1837
01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:29,638
But the first outing I did with them was
July 4th.

1838
01:15:29,638 --> 01:15:32,539
we went to Lakeland. They have a great
fireworks show,

1839
01:15:32,539 --> 01:15:33,800
and I was wearing the glasses,

1840
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,660
and I took a bunch of pictures.

1841
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:41,083
And, you know, one, pictures and video on
the meta glasses are vertical

1842
01:15:41,083 --> 01:15:42,563
by default and you can change it,

1843
01:15:42,563 --> 01:15:46,505
which kind of sucks because I was really
hoping to use these as like

1844
01:15:46,945 --> 01:15:50,126
B roll for videos when I review devices,

1845
01:15:50,126 --> 01:15:51,817
like maybe for the iPhone 18 video.

1846
01:15:52,223 --> 01:15:57,414
I can record with these and like get first
person perspectives really easily without

1847
01:15:57,414 --> 01:15:59,005
having to set up a camera in a weird
angle.

1848
01:15:59,005 --> 01:16:02,956
I don't think that's gonna be possible
because I would have to zoom,

1849
01:16:02,956 --> 01:16:04,366
I would have to crop it really bad.

1850
01:16:04,366 --> 01:16:06,067
Like everything's vertical, you can't
change it.

1851
01:16:06,067 --> 01:16:09,968
But for the vertical videos, like they
actually look pretty good.

1852
01:16:09,968 --> 01:16:14,999
And when the fireworks began, now we could
talk about should

1853
01:16:14,999 --> 01:16:18,330
you even record fireworks? Because who
watches fireworks videos back later?

1854
01:16:18,330 --> 01:16:20,551
Sure. But

1855
01:16:20,865 --> 01:16:24,008
Except that if you hadn't been recording
then we wouldn't have the video from

1856
01:16:24,543 --> 01:16:25,543
Exactly.

1857
01:16:24,569 --> 01:16:27,541
was it Memphis where all of or San Diego
or wherever it was where they

1858
01:16:27,541 --> 01:16:28,952
all went off at the exact same time?

1859
01:16:29,068 --> 01:16:30,068
That

1860
01:16:29,568 --> 01:16:32,888
right, exactly. So I,

1861
01:16:32,888 --> 01:16:36,530
you know, I'm always tempted to take video
and photos of the fireworks.

1862
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:40,611
I don't know why. Sometimes we do look
back just to see kind of like

1863
01:16:40,751 --> 01:16:42,248
us at the fireworks, you know what I mean?

1864
01:16:42,248 --> 01:16:46,742
It's like, this was anyway. It was kind of
nice to be able to record

1865
01:16:46,742 --> 01:16:50,113
the entire fireworks show and not think
about it.

1866
01:16:50,113 --> 01:16:52,514
I was able to look at it with my eyeballs,

1867
01:16:52,514 --> 01:16:55,134
not think about where I was pointing my
camera,

1868
01:16:55,134 --> 01:16:57,435
and just capture the fireworks show.

1869
01:16:58,401 --> 01:17:00,932
From the glasses. That was kinda cool.

1870
01:17:00,932 --> 01:17:03,473
And whether we ever watch this video again
or not,

1871
01:17:03,473 --> 01:17:05,274
I'm showing it now, so maybe it was
useful.

1872
01:17:05,274 --> 01:17:08,355
Like the idea of capturing a moment,

1873
01:17:08,355 --> 01:17:10,626
but also being present in the moment,

1874
01:17:10,626 --> 01:17:13,197
because you're not watching it through
your iPhone screen,

1875
01:17:13,197 --> 01:17:17,945
is kind of nice. And so there are several
situations where it's like,

1876
01:17:17,945 --> 01:17:22,001
okay, I get that appeal. And that's part
of the double-edged sword.

1877
01:17:22,001 --> 01:17:24,462
Other side note, five minute maximum,

1878
01:17:24,462 --> 01:17:26,242
and then it stops recording video.

1879
01:17:26,242 --> 01:17:27,393
So there is like

1880
01:17:27,945 --> 01:17:31,385
weird limits to it and transferring stuff
to the glasses is a pain

1881
01:17:31,385 --> 01:17:33,797
in the butt because you have to go to the
meta AI app.

1882
01:17:33,797 --> 01:17:38,910
You have to connect to the glasses Wi-Fi
network and then it will slowly transfer

1883
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:40,700
your photos and videos to your phone.

1884
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:43,922
All of that stinks. Like it's not a fun
process.

1885
01:17:43,922 --> 01:17:50,454
Keep that in mind. Second outing I went to
a grocery store and I wanted

1886
01:17:50,454 --> 01:17:51,965
to just see like what is it like,

1887
01:17:51,965 --> 01:17:56,087
you know, talking to it, asking it and you
can ask meta AI questions like what's

1888
01:17:56,087 --> 01:17:57,087
the weather?

1889
01:17:56,915 --> 01:18:00,837
Is it gonna rain? And it does pretty well
at answering all that general knowledge

1890
01:18:00,837 --> 01:18:06,459
stuff. But then there was a moment where I
immediately regretted having wearing

1891
01:18:06,459 --> 01:18:08,940
them, which was I had to use the restroom.

1892
01:18:08,940 --> 01:18:11,721
And I didn't think about it at first.

1893
01:18:11,721 --> 01:18:13,582
I just walked into the restroom,

1894
01:18:13,582 --> 01:18:17,484
and then I immediately realized I have a
camera on my face,

1895
01:18:17,484 --> 01:18:19,325
and I just walked into the restroom.

1896
01:18:19,325 --> 01:18:22,706
And I have vision,

1897
01:18:22,706 --> 01:18:24,137
it's not so bad that.

1898
01:18:24,405 --> 01:18:27,358
Like I could take I can take the glasses
off and still see the world around like

1899
01:18:27,358 --> 01:18:30,520
I can function. I'd still use the
bathroom.

1900
01:18:28,019 --> 01:18:29,901
And still use the bathroom is what you're
saying.

1901
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,983
My wife's vision is such that she could
not.

1902
01:18:32,983 --> 01:18:35,115
If she takes her glasses off, she cannot
function.

1903
01:18:35,115 --> 01:18:37,277
Like she cannot see what's around her
unless she's very,

1904
01:18:37,277 --> 01:18:40,379
very close. And so I immediately realized,

1905
01:18:40,379 --> 01:18:43,612
like, I don't like this. I don't like this
feeling.

1906
01:18:43,612 --> 01:18:46,535
And no one was in the bathroom at the
time.

1907
01:18:46,535 --> 01:18:49,187
And as I after I washed my hands and I was
leaving,

1908
01:18:49,187 --> 01:18:50,187
someone walked in.

1909
01:18:51,594 --> 01:18:53,785
But but I had the thought, like if someone
had walked into the bathroom,

1910
01:18:53,785 --> 01:18:55,286
like if this was a crowded restroom,

1911
01:18:55,286 --> 01:18:56,997
like a sporting event or a concert,

1912
01:18:56,997 --> 01:19:01,189
if someone knew the glasses I had on my
face and realized I was in the bathroom,

1913
01:19:01,189 --> 01:19:03,541
like that would feel really icky.

1914
01:19:03,541 --> 01:19:07,723
And I don't like that at all. And I don't
know how to square that circle.

1915
01:19:07,723 --> 01:19:14,317
Like, how could you make a privacy first
device that has a camera

1916
01:19:14,317 --> 01:19:19,009
on your face, but then also use it in
maybe sensitive situations where it's
really

1917
01:19:19,029 --> 01:19:20,480
awkward to have a camera on your face?

1918
01:19:21,662 --> 01:19:22,963
I don't know how to solve that problem.

1919
01:19:22,963 --> 01:19:26,828
I don't know if I you know, there's so
many rumors about AirPods with a camera,

1920
01:19:26,828 --> 01:19:29,891
which will get like I always thought that
rumor was silly,

1921
01:19:29,891 --> 01:19:33,755
and now I understand why. But I don't know
how you square that circle either.

1922
01:19:33,755 --> 01:19:36,668
If you wore AirPods with a camera and
people understood that those were

1923
01:19:36,668 --> 01:19:38,180
the models that have a camera in them,

1924
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:40,122
that would feel really weird in a
bathroom.

1925
01:19:40,122 --> 01:19:41,784
I'm just throwing that out there.

1926
01:19:41,784 --> 01:19:43,866
So anyway, go ahead.

1927
01:19:41,899 --> 01:19:43,903
Sure. Also though,

1928
01:19:43,903 --> 01:19:46,939
AirPods are a little easier to take out of
your ears to go to the bathroom than

1929
01:19:46,939 --> 01:19:48,501
the glasses on your face.

1930
01:19:49,056 --> 01:19:50,487
Good point. Very true.

1931
01:19:51,208 --> 01:19:53,930
So then I took them yesterday to a couple
other places.

1932
01:19:53,930 --> 01:19:55,662
I went to Oxford Exchange in Tampa,

1933
01:19:55,662 --> 01:19:57,082
which is a great it has like a bookstore,

1934
01:19:57,082 --> 01:19:59,901
it has all this kind stuff. And I went to
Armature Works,

1935
01:19:59,901 --> 01:20:04,660
which is like a food hall. It's really
cool and fun to ask it to identify things

1936
01:20:04,660 --> 01:20:06,542
and just ask it questions about what I'm
looking at.

1937
01:20:06,542 --> 01:20:11,586
And the accessibility ramification or
implications are incredible.

1938
01:20:11,586 --> 01:20:13,568
If someone was visually impaired,

1939
01:20:13,568 --> 01:20:15,330
and obviously

1940
01:20:15,639 --> 01:20:17,930
Pointing a camera when you're visually
impaired at something to

1941
01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:20,361
ask what you're looking at could be
problematic.

1942
01:20:20,361 --> 01:20:24,102
Like you can assume, and I'm sure people
like will have an idea.

1943
01:20:24,102 --> 01:20:25,443
Like I'm pointing the camera this way,

1944
01:20:25,443 --> 01:20:27,463
it's fine. But when it's on your face,

1945
01:20:27,463 --> 01:20:29,704
you can know that like wherever you're
facing,

1946
01:20:29,704 --> 01:20:30,925
that's what the camera is seeing.

1947
01:20:30,925 --> 01:20:33,546
And so I stood in front of a cafe and I
asked it,

1948
01:20:33,546 --> 01:20:37,547
what's on the espresso menu? And the
glasses can just tell me.

1949
01:20:37,547 --> 01:20:39,698
It said you had there's a flat white,

1950
01:20:39,698 --> 01:20:42,209
there's a latte, and it tell the cost for
each.

1951
01:20:42,209 --> 01:20:45,090
I stood in front of a book display and I
said

1952
01:20:45,514 --> 01:20:48,796
What are some like recommend some books
from all of this display?

1953
01:20:48,796 --> 01:20:50,587
And it was able to point out, well,

1954
01:20:50,587 --> 01:20:52,639
here's this book if you're interested in
adventure.

1955
01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:54,660
Here's this book. It's a great nonfiction.

1956
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:57,862
And it could just talk to me about what
I'm looking at.

1957
01:20:57,862 --> 01:21:00,684
And that felt like the future.

1958
01:21:00,684 --> 01:21:02,655
That felt like minority report style.

1959
01:21:02,655 --> 01:21:05,327
Like I can just ask it questions about
what I'm looking at.

1960
01:21:05,327 --> 01:21:08,909
So identifying things, the accessibility
ramifications,

1961
01:21:08,909 --> 01:21:10,480
like all of that is great.

1962
01:21:11,632 --> 01:21:15,444
And I understood why having a camera
pointed where your eyeballs point could

1963
01:21:15,444 --> 01:21:20,047
be really beneficial. A couple just
nitpicks.

1964
01:21:20,047 --> 01:21:22,888
The speakers on the glasses are good,

1965
01:21:22,888 --> 01:21:26,690
but not great. And so in noisy
environments like when I was in the food
hall,

1966
01:21:26,690 --> 01:21:29,031
it's hard to hear it. And as far as I can
tell,

1967
01:21:29,031 --> 01:21:32,133
you can't like pair Bluetooth headphones
with the glasses.

1968
01:21:32,133 --> 01:21:34,774
The glasses act as headphones to other
devices.

1969
01:21:34,774 --> 01:21:38,046
So I can listen to a podcast because I'm
my phone is connected

1970
01:21:38,046 --> 01:21:39,657
and it's playing audio through the
glasses,

1971
01:21:39,657 --> 01:21:41,118
and you can raise the volume all the way
up.

1972
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,091
But it's hard to hear in very noisy
environments.

1973
01:21:43,091 --> 01:21:45,373
No option for like pairing headphones with
them.

1974
01:21:45,373 --> 01:21:48,215
So that was kind of ~ Funny side note,

1975
01:21:48,215 --> 01:21:54,500
I really want to know how much they paid
Judy Dench and Kristen Bell

1976
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,302
to be voices for the meta AI glasses.

1977
01:21:57,302 --> 01:22:02,506
Because there is a menu where you can
choose for meta AI voice to be Judy Dench.

1978
01:22:02,506 --> 01:22:06,979
And if I I always change my voice
assistance to have a British accent,

1979
01:22:06,979 --> 01:22:08,090
so I feel like 007.

1980
01:22:08,446 --> 01:22:11,555
And you could not get any further down
that road than literally having

1981
01:22:11,696 --> 01:22:13,631
~ talking to you in your glasses.

1982
01:22:13,825 --> 01:22:15,702
I mean that's dame Judy Dench to you,

1983
01:22:15,702 --> 01:22:16,702
sir.

1984
01:22:16,277 --> 01:22:18,548
Sorry, Dame Judy, excuse me, Dame Judy
Dinch.

1985
01:22:18,548 --> 01:22:21,169
You can literally choose her as a voice
for the glasses.

1986
01:22:21,169 --> 01:22:23,280
I so want to know how much she had to get
paid for that.

1987
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,390
Because she would have had to train her
voice on it,

1988
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:26,781
because it has to say all kinds of things.

1989
01:22:26,781 --> 01:22:30,862
So anyway, there's that. And lastly,

1990
01:22:30,862 --> 01:22:33,694
I'll just say, after using these for a
while,

1991
01:22:33,694 --> 01:22:35,874
like one of the things I did was I held a
book up and I said,

1992
01:22:35,874 --> 01:22:39,206
Hey, tell me about this book. And it was
actually an Issi Miyake book.

1993
01:22:39,206 --> 01:22:40,996
It was the author. It was like a design
book.

1994
01:22:40,996 --> 01:22:44,788
And I said, Hey, can you find this book on
Amazon and add it as a reminder

1995
01:22:44,788 --> 01:22:45,788
to get later?

1996
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:47,232
And was like, sure, I can do that.

1997
01:22:47,232 --> 01:22:52,379
Now in the meta AI app, there's a reminder
section and that's where it has to go.

1998
01:22:52,379 --> 01:22:53,962
So it's in my meta which

1999
01:22:52,811 --> 01:22:54,095
Yeah. That's a

2000
01:22:54,095 --> 01:22:56,332
th there's there's there's a problem that
you're like you're sort

2001
01:22:56,332 --> 01:22:57,817
of like getting around okay. Okay.

2002
01:22:56,788 --> 01:22:58,548
I'm gonna I'm getting there. I'm gonna get
there.

2003
01:22:58,548 --> 01:23:00,199
I'm gonna get I'm going there next.

2004
01:23:01,239 --> 01:23:02,710
Also, it said, yeah, I got it,

2005
01:23:02,710 --> 01:23:04,190
no problem. Added it to your reminders.

2006
01:23:04,190 --> 01:23:07,321
And the reminder is actually like
Isimiyake book on Amazon.

2007
01:23:07,321 --> 01:23:09,671
It didn't actually get the Amazon link and
put in the reminders.

2008
01:23:09,671 --> 01:23:10,952
It just told me to look it up on Amazon.

2009
01:23:10,952 --> 01:23:14,183
So all of those cool use cases aside,

2010
01:23:14,183 --> 01:23:20,424
it is obvious that something like this
will near not be anywhere near

2011
01:23:20,424 --> 01:23:25,486
as useful unless it's made by Apple first
or Google.

2012
01:23:23,903 --> 01:23:25,706
Or Google, but yes, yes.

2013
01:23:25,486 --> 01:23:26,486
Because

2014
01:23:26,854 --> 01:23:29,155
I want that reminder to go to my reminders
app.

2015
01:23:29,155 --> 01:23:32,516
And as I was driving away from my house
one day,

2016
01:23:32,516 --> 01:23:36,457
I was like, ~ I'll ask my glasses to close
my garage door.

2017
01:23:36,457 --> 01:23:38,617
No, it doesn't have access to your Apple
home.

2018
01:23:38,617 --> 01:23:42,088
It can't do that. Nor can I get my
messages.

2019
01:23:42,088 --> 01:23:44,679
I think you can get some message
notifications on the glasses,

2020
01:23:44,679 --> 01:23:46,399
but it's not like first party.

2021
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:49,220
But all of the use cases, I realized,

2022
01:23:49,220 --> 01:23:53,871
okay, if these were Apple glasses and it
was integrated with my messages,

2023
01:23:53,871 --> 01:23:56,302
my notifications, I could control my smart
home.

2024
01:23:56,660 --> 01:24:00,592
I could ask Siri AI, all the amazing Siri
AI things that that can do.

2025
01:24:00,592 --> 01:24:04,014
These would be so cool. It would be
really,

2026
01:24:04,014 --> 01:24:09,157
really cool. I don't know how to solve the
you have a camera on your face problem,

2027
01:24:09,157 --> 01:24:13,749
but there's a lot of use cases where I see
the promise and I understand

2028
01:24:13,749 --> 01:24:18,526
why these have been the only like AI
glasses that have been anywhere near

2029
01:24:18,526 --> 01:24:22,834
as successful. And I will give Meta a
little bit of credit because there

2030
01:24:22,834 --> 01:24:26,026
was a news article that came out where

2031
01:24:26,898 --> 01:24:28,899
If you try to tamper with the light,

2032
01:24:28,899 --> 01:24:30,778
because whenever you take a picture,

2033
01:24:30,778 --> 01:24:34,340
a little LED light flashes, and as you're
recording video,

2034
01:24:34,340 --> 01:24:38,571
the light will pulse. And people were
doing nefarious things trying

2035
01:24:38,571 --> 01:24:40,902
to disable that light, trying to cover it
up.

2036
01:24:40,902 --> 01:24:46,023
And Meta is pushing a software update
where if you try to mess with that light,

2037
01:24:46,023 --> 01:24:49,964
the camera will get bricked. So if you try
to remove the light,

2038
01:24:49,964 --> 01:24:51,885
if you try to disable the light,

2039
01:24:51,885 --> 01:24:55,106
the camera's just going to be disabled
from the glasses entirely.

2040
01:24:55,106 --> 01:24:56,106
And so

2041
01:24:57,078 --> 01:24:59,862
Well all the thing all the negative things
we can say about Meta,

2042
01:24:59,862 --> 01:25:02,926
at least they are trying to do something
there.

2043
01:25:02,926 --> 01:25:06,822
We're disabling the light to record will
have ramifications and won't

2044
01:25:06,822 --> 01:25:09,516
let you use the camera. But all that to be
said,

2045
01:25:09,516 --> 01:25:11,799
you still have a camera on your face,

2046
01:25:11,799 --> 01:25:13,562
and I don't know how that can not be
awkward.

2047
01:25:14,431 --> 01:25:20,276
Well also s l the cynical take is Meta's
not doing that because they think it's

2048
01:25:20,276 --> 01:25:24,389
the right thing to do. They're doing that
because they don't want the stories

2049
01:25:24,389 --> 01:25:28,663
of the nefarious use cases that would
happen if they dis people are able

2050
01:25:28,663 --> 01:25:31,425
to disable the light. They that like
that's reputational protection.

2051
01:25:31,425 --> 01:25:35,038
It's not it's not like altruism.

2052
01:25:35,038 --> 01:25:41,463
But also like this is the thing that I've
always thought

2053
01:25:35,776 --> 01:25:36,871
Fair. That is totally fair.

2054
01:25:41,683 --> 01:25:43,705
I think meta has done the most

2055
01:25:44,459 --> 01:25:50,123
To sort of flesh out and prove the concept
that glasses could be a form factor that

2056
01:25:50,123 --> 01:25:55,397
have a use. But metas will just never be
that use for two reasons.

2057
01:25:55,397 --> 01:26:00,869
People don't trust meta. Everything you
just did involved meta AI,

2058
01:26:00,869 --> 01:26:04,223
not Siri, not ChatGPT, not Cloud,

2059
01:26:04,223 --> 01:26:08,016
not any of the places that you may have
already built up a library

2060
01:26:08,016 --> 01:26:09,627
of context that would be useful,

2061
01:26:09,627 --> 01:26:11,569
or your personal information.

2062
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:14,791
And you're now sending all that
information to Meta.

2063
01:26:14,791 --> 01:26:17,433
It's like, remember that espresso shop
that you looked at?

2064
01:26:17,433 --> 01:26:20,154
Hey, you're on Instagram. Here's an ad.

2065
01:26:20,154 --> 01:26:22,786
Did you know they have delivery and
they'll just send you beans to your house?

2066
01:26:20,903 --> 01:26:21,903
yeah.

2067
01:26:22,786 --> 01:26:24,607
Like, this is that's what's gonna happen.

2068
01:26:24,607 --> 01:26:28,679
That's the only way this makes any sense
because and I'm not suggesting that

2069
01:26:24,832 --> 01:26:26,770
Yeah. Yeah.

2070
01:26:28,699 --> 01:26:31,530
I that's why I said Google. I don't think
Apple's the only company that can do this.

2071
01:26:31,530 --> 01:26:37,704
Google could do this. But Meta has no like
no one uses a calendar from Meta.

2072
01:26:37,704 --> 01:26:39,785
No one I mean, they do have WhatsApp.

2073
01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:40,027
Right.

2074
01:26:40,553 --> 01:26:41,694
They so they do have WhatsApp,

2075
01:26:41,127 --> 01:26:42,127
Sure.

2076
01:26:41,694 --> 01:26:43,255
they do have a messaging product,

2077
01:26:43,255 --> 01:26:48,458
but like any pair of Bluetooth earbuds
theoretically can read your messages to
you.

2078
01:26:48,458 --> 01:26:51,941
Right? Like that's so I'm saying that's
that's fine.

2079
01:26:49,075 --> 01:26:50,463
Yeah, and they do. They do.

2080
01:26:51,941 --> 01:26:58,285
That's like not significant. But what
Meta's AI cannot do is answer the
question,

2081
01:26:58,285 --> 01:27:00,547
what time did my mom say she was coming
over?

2082
01:27:00,547 --> 01:27:04,029
Right? Like it's not in meta AI unless
it's in WhatsApp.

2083
01:27:04,029 --> 01:27:06,691
So like I in a ma in the US at least,

2084
01:27:06,691 --> 01:27:08,212
I mean everywhere I travel overseas,

2085
01:27:08,212 --> 01:27:09,553
we only use Mot WhatsApp.

2086
01:27:09,790 --> 01:27:10,790
Yeah, what's happening?

2087
01:27:10,133 --> 01:27:11,133
But everywhere

2088
01:27:10,803 --> 01:27:13,725
in the US, like there are some people who
use WhatsApp,

2089
01:27:13,725 --> 01:27:15,585
but like if you're under the age of
twenty-seven,

2090
01:27:15,585 --> 01:27:18,216
you're using Snapchat. If you're over the
age of twenty-seven,

2091
01:27:18,216 --> 01:27:21,708
you're using something iMessage or
whatever.

2092
01:27:20,789 --> 01:27:21,789
Right.

2093
01:27:21,708 --> 01:27:26,450
So I don't know. I think I'm glad that
they are trying to flesh this

2094
01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:31,822
out and they are shipping products that
don't have that end use case because they

2095
01:27:31,822 --> 01:27:36,284
have to get them out there. Whereas Apple
can afford to be a little slower because

2096
01:27:36,525 --> 01:27:37,675
once they get it right.

2097
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:39,279
yeah.

2098
01:27:38,621 --> 01:27:40,689
It will be like panacea, it'll just have
everything.

2099
01:27:41,661 --> 01:27:48,456
And that the thing, like if somehow Apple
could make glasses like this that have

2100
01:27:48,456 --> 01:27:53,520
the benefits of being able to see what you
see in some privacy and security.

2101
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,833
I have no idea how it would be possible
because to see what you see,

2102
01:27:57,833 --> 01:28:00,855
there has to be a lens of a camera
somewhere on the device.

2103
01:28:00,855 --> 01:28:03,196
And it's going to see the world around
you.

2104
01:28:03,196 --> 01:28:04,718
I don't know how it's possible,

2105
01:28:04,718 --> 01:28:06,929
but man. And the AirPods with a camera,

2106
01:28:06,929 --> 01:28:09,221
like you were saying, that would be easier
to like put away.

2107
01:28:09,874 --> 01:28:11,915
And also, if you don't wear glasses
already,

2108
01:28:11,915 --> 01:28:14,177
someone might not be inclined to want to
wear glasses.

2109
01:28:14,177 --> 01:28:17,009
You know, I think AirPods, whether you
wear glasses,

2110
01:28:17,009 --> 01:28:19,370
hats, whatever it is, like everyone will
use AirPods because

2111
01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:22,482
the convenience factor and the benefits
are just so high.

2112
01:28:22,482 --> 01:28:24,424
Like, I'll put these things in my ear.

2113
01:28:24,424 --> 01:28:26,905
Glasses, it's a harder sell. Someone
doesn't wear glasses,

2114
01:28:26,905 --> 01:28:28,706
like people LASIK surgery, so they don't
to wear glasses.

2115
01:28:28,706 --> 01:28:30,588
Like to put it back on, you know,

2116
01:28:30,588 --> 01:28:34,070
it is a cost. And to your point about
meta,

2117
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:38,483
like the nefarious side, this is the Verge
article.

2118
01:28:38,889 --> 01:28:42,291
Meta is also working on glasses that would
be recording all the time.

2119
01:28:42,291 --> 01:28:47,173
Calling super sensing. Always aware smart
glasses that's recording audio

2120
01:28:47,173 --> 01:28:49,034
and snapping photos every few seconds.

2121
01:28:49,034 --> 01:28:52,776
And this is like that's an end game of
like,

2122
01:28:52,776 --> 01:28:55,498
no, I would not wear those glasses.

2123
01:28:55,498 --> 01:28:57,459
I wouldn't even try them for a video.

2124
01:28:57,459 --> 01:28:59,980
I don't want something recording all the
time.

2125
01:28:59,980 --> 01:29:03,462
Because then it's like, what if I have to
use a bathroom in my own house

2126
01:29:03,602 --> 01:29:06,284
and I'm wearing the glasses? I don't want
that.

2127
01:29:04,235 --> 01:29:05,235
Right.

2128
01:29:06,284 --> 01:29:08,255
I don't want that being sent to Meta.

2129
01:29:08,561 --> 01:29:10,195
And as I've been wearing these the last
two weeks,

2130
01:29:10,195 --> 01:29:14,514
I just resolved to think I have no privacy
when I'm wearing these glasses.

2131
01:29:14,514 --> 01:29:15,707
Zero. Like

2132
01:29:15,705 --> 01:29:18,187
And neither does anyone around you,

2133
01:29:18,187 --> 01:29:22,801
which means that if Meta introduces
glasses that are recording all the time

2134
01:29:22,801 --> 01:29:23,832
and you put them on your face,

2135
01:29:23,832 --> 01:29:24,832
someone's gonna punch you.

2136
01:29:25,619 --> 01:29:28,991
Right. And in my experience at the grocery
store,

2137
01:29:28,991 --> 01:29:32,794
Fourth of July, going to the food hall and
a couple places,

2138
01:29:32,794 --> 01:29:35,936
not one person pointed them out.

2139
01:29:35,936 --> 01:29:39,058
Not one person said, Hey, are those the
metaglasses?

2140
01:29:39,058 --> 01:29:41,980
~ now there weren't like tons of people
around.

2141
01:29:41,980 --> 01:29:44,152
You know, if I was at a concert or a
sport,

2142
01:29:44,152 --> 01:29:46,123
maybe maybe someone would recognize them,

2143
01:29:46,123 --> 01:29:48,085
but not one person said anything.

2144
01:29:48,085 --> 01:29:51,857
I had a couple looks where it was like
maybe they did a double take

2145
01:29:51,857 --> 01:29:54,109
and they were kinda like, What what kind
of glasses are those?

2146
01:29:54,109 --> 01:29:55,109
But

2147
01:29:54,463 --> 01:29:56,234
But no one ever said anything or or
whatever.

2148
01:29:56,234 --> 01:29:59,707
But I don't I don't know.

2149
01:29:59,707 --> 01:30:02,180
This is always the question now when I get
to like the end of my review

2150
01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:04,221
and I make the video. Do I keep the thing?

2151
01:30:04,221 --> 01:30:06,843
Do I keep these for the future?

2152
01:30:06,843 --> 01:30:11,147
And I'm the I have until August 1st to
return them.

2153
01:30:11,147 --> 01:30:13,729
And I could get my four hundred dollars
back,

2154
01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:16,472
which is very tempting. But I'm also like,

2155
01:30:16,472 --> 01:30:20,865
you know, maybe there are some events
where I would love to just be able

2156
01:30:20,865 --> 01:30:22,597
to record a video and not hold a phone.

2157
01:30:22,878 --> 01:30:24,739
And just be there for the event.

2158
01:30:24,739 --> 01:30:29,282
And I already wear glasses. And my kids
thought they were the coolest thing
because

2159
01:30:29,282 --> 01:30:30,783
I have like photos of my travels.

2160
01:30:30,783 --> 01:30:33,225
And they will go up to the photo and be
where was this photo taken?

2161
01:30:33,225 --> 01:30:36,407
And the glasses would say, This was taken
in Amsterdam along this.

2162
01:30:36,407 --> 01:30:37,918
And this was the cathedral in the
background.

2163
01:30:37,918 --> 01:30:40,609
And like, that's kind of cool that it can
do that.

2164
01:30:40,609 --> 01:30:44,252
But I will also be very selective about
wearing,

2165
01:30:44,252 --> 01:30:46,923
like, I would not wear these all the time.

2166
01:30:46,923 --> 01:30:50,316
Hey, they're not as comfortable as my
Warby Parker's,

2167
01:30:50,316 --> 01:30:52,447
~ because they're heavier, they're big.

2168
01:30:52,985 --> 01:30:54,626
and they slide down more often.

2169
01:30:54,626 --> 01:30:57,688
So I would not wear them all the time for
comfort.

2170
01:30:57,688 --> 01:31:01,261
I also just don't want them on my face for
times when I might have to

2171
01:31:01,261 --> 01:31:05,924
use a public restroom. And so but for some
situations maybe I would.

2172
01:31:05,924 --> 01:31:09,557
Maybe like July 4th, like I go out and do
it for I don't know,

2173
01:31:09,557 --> 01:31:13,840
go someplace over the holidays and we see
Christmas lights and I don't have

2174
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:15,571
to think about taking my phone out to
record.

2175
01:31:15,571 --> 01:31:18,523
I don't know. That's that's the internal
struggle I have now.

2176
01:31:18,523 --> 01:31:20,965
But they're they're very interesting
technology.

2177
01:31:22,377 --> 01:31:28,479
Very clear where a humane AI pin had
almost no value

2178
01:31:29,019 --> 01:31:32,260
as a product and no one should buy it or
use it.

2179
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:37,321
These I understand what the value is.

2180
01:31:37,321 --> 01:31:40,102
And for accessibility especially,

2181
01:31:40,102 --> 01:31:44,383
totally get it. Like this could be game
changing for somebody.

2182
01:31:44,383 --> 01:31:47,384
Cause I even asked it like, what's on my
desk?

2183
01:31:47,384 --> 01:31:51,305
And it does a very good job of describing
everything on the desk.

2184
01:31:51,911 --> 01:31:54,772
And so just being able to do that quickly
and easily like and yes,

2185
01:31:54,772 --> 01:31:58,183
your iPhone does that. Apple had a whole
video about accessibility talking about

2186
01:31:58,183 --> 01:32:00,523
it in iOS 27. There's going to be even
more features.

2187
01:32:00,523 --> 01:32:03,104
Your iPhone can do all of this stuff,

2188
01:32:03,104 --> 01:32:06,805
but you have to get it. You have to unlock
it.

2189
01:32:06,805 --> 01:32:10,446
You have to be in the right mode if you're
not accustomed to using those kinds

2190
01:32:10,446 --> 01:32:12,767
of features. And just being able to be
like,

2191
01:32:12,767 --> 01:32:17,628
hey Meta, do this. And it's the device is
already on my face and on.

2192
01:32:17,628 --> 01:32:19,809
I could I see the value there.

2193
01:32:19,809 --> 01:32:20,809
There is some value.

2194
01:32:20,117 --> 01:32:21,117
I mean you also

2195
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:23,511
have to be stricken with amnesia to look
at your desk and not know what

2196
01:32:23,511 --> 01:32:24,511
the stuff is.

2197
01:32:24,755 --> 01:32:26,167
No, but for accessibility, Jason,

2198
01:32:26,167 --> 01:32:29,511
if you you know, if someone is visually
impaired and they need to know like,

2199
01:32:29,511 --> 01:32:32,895
yes, obviously you've probably set up your
life in a way that is conducive

2200
01:32:33,296 --> 01:32:34,296
to to that.

2201
01:32:33,524 --> 01:32:34,524
I guess my point

2202
01:32:34,234 --> 01:32:37,705
was like that is a gimmick. It's a cool
party trick to be like,

2203
01:32:37,705 --> 01:32:39,174
I look, I can just look at all this stuff.

2204
01:32:39,174 --> 01:32:41,136
But but in a real world use case,

2205
01:32:41,136 --> 01:32:43,297
looking at your desk is not the thing,

2206
01:32:43,297 --> 01:32:45,798
obviously. And I you weren't specifically
only saying that,

2207
01:32:44,616 --> 01:32:46,308
No. Right.

2208
01:32:45,798 --> 01:32:52,409
but I'm just saying like they these are
products that are designed with finite

2209
01:32:52,409 --> 01:32:57,011
borders that the real use case is
somewhere beyond that,

2210
01:32:57,011 --> 01:32:58,011
and we don't know what that is yet.

2211
01:32:59,134 --> 01:33:03,610
Sure, but I also see like if I walk up to
a food truck and I'm visually impaired,

2212
01:33:03,610 --> 01:33:05,032
I want to say, Hey, what's on the menu?

2213
01:33:05,032 --> 01:33:08,316
That's useful. Like

2214
01:33:09,033 --> 01:33:11,874
Yeah, I'm trying to be really careful
because I think there's a point

2215
01:33:11,874 --> 01:33:17,495
at which being visually impaired with a
pair of glasses that would the again,

2216
01:33:17,495 --> 01:33:23,437
I'm not I ~ it's hard to define where that
edge case is because my initial thing

2217
01:33:23,437 --> 01:33:27,058
was like you again, I'm sort of ignorant
of this,

2218
01:33:27,058 --> 01:33:31,929
but like are is that a you isn't there how
is that problem being solved

2219
01:33:31,929 --> 01:33:34,320
now that this would solve better?

2220
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,191
If I'm visually impaired and I walk up to
a food truck

2221
01:33:38,174 --> 01:33:41,590
You're right. How do you know where to
look to like?

2222
01:33:38,757 --> 01:33:41,640
How did I get there? And I did

2223
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,255
not just like what I not just talk to like
I'm not saying that you're wrong.

2224
01:33:45,255 --> 01:33:47,327
I'm saying that sounds like a very
oversimplified,

2225
01:33:47,327 --> 01:33:49,079
like, this is really cool. And I'm
thinking,

2226
01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:52,463
like, how is that problem currently being
solved that this would do better?

2227
01:33:52,463 --> 01:33:53,975
And I'm not saying the answer's zero.

2228
01:33:53,975 --> 01:33:55,687
I just don't know exactly what that is
yet.

2229
01:33:56,082 --> 01:33:58,294
And that's and that's fair. ~ you know,

2230
01:33:58,294 --> 01:34:01,418
I th if you were handed a menu at a
restaurant,

2231
01:34:01,418 --> 01:34:03,290
you know, something like that.

2232
01:34:01,611 --> 01:34:03,592
Sure. Yeah, I did

2233
01:34:03,290 --> 01:34:04,290
And

2234
01:34:03,592 --> 01:34:06,787
that a lot. I for for a year I would look
at menus and every time I had

2235
01:34:06,787 --> 01:34:09,370
a menu I'd take a photograph of the menu
and I'd Chat DPT,

2236
01:34:08,861 --> 01:34:11,543
Right. For sure. And

2237
01:34:09,370 --> 01:34:10,412
what can I eat off of this?

2238
01:34:11,764 --> 01:34:13,986
and I did mention, you know, this also
does translation.

2239
01:34:13,986 --> 01:34:16,218
So if you were given a menu in another
language,

2240
01:34:16,218 --> 01:34:17,829
you could say, hey, translate this for me,

2241
01:34:17,829 --> 01:34:20,862
and it could do it. So all of that to say,

2242
01:34:20,862 --> 01:34:24,656
there I think there is more than zero
value here.

2243
01:34:24,656 --> 01:34:30,221
It is still a long way off. Like and the
privacy and security implication is,

2244
01:34:30,221 --> 01:34:31,902
I think, even the biggest challenge.

2245
01:34:31,902 --> 01:34:34,745
And I hope Apple figures it out.

2246
01:34:35,126 --> 01:34:38,870
Yeah, I just think that they will really
be a successful product when someone

2247
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:43,015
who has all your data already and I don't
just mean your browsing history.

2248
01:34:43,015 --> 01:34:45,598
I mean like your calendar, your email,

2249
01:34:45,598 --> 01:34:47,901
your messages, like your photos.

2250
01:34:47,901 --> 01:34:50,504
That I mean you can't even take photos and
have them just show up

2251
01:34:50,504 --> 01:34:51,504
in your photo line.

2252
01:34:51,782 --> 01:34:52,983
yeah, and that that's the other huge
thing.

2253
01:34:52,983 --> 01:34:54,394
It's like if it was an Apple glasses,

2254
01:34:54,394 --> 01:34:56,595
I could just take a photo and it would
sync to my iPhone immediately.

2255
01:34:56,179 --> 01:34:57,179
Yes.

2256
01:34:56,595 --> 01:35:01,297
And so all of that, which is I now I like
this is why Zuckerberg hates Apple.

2257
01:35:01,297 --> 01:35:03,909
He's ticked because he can't do that.

2258
01:35:03,909 --> 01:35:05,350
And he doesn't have a device that does it
either.

2259
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:06,941
So anyway, I want to make a video about
it.

2260
01:35:06,941 --> 01:35:09,742
If you have questions, hit me up on social
media,

2261
01:35:09,742 --> 01:35:12,274
you know, or just email me 'cause I can do
in the video.

2262
01:35:12,274 --> 01:35:13,644
I'm recording the video tomorrow,

2263
01:35:13,644 --> 01:35:16,906
as you listen to this. So if you listen to
it on the day it comes out.

2264
01:35:16,906 --> 01:35:20,158
But Jason, I need you to tell me about
something real quick for personal tick.

2265
01:35:20,466 --> 01:35:24,785
You were on a flight and you saw a
gentleman with three iPads.

2266
01:35:24,785 --> 01:35:27,772
How did what what how?

2267
01:35:27,561 --> 01:35:28,561
Yeah,

2268
01:35:27,961 --> 01:35:30,062
well, okay, so I was on a very long
flight.

2269
01:35:30,062 --> 01:35:31,703
Well, I mean it's not the longest flight,

2270
01:35:31,703 --> 01:35:37,806
but I was flying f back from Heathrow to
Detroit and I I was sitting

2271
01:35:38,141 --> 01:35:43,558
on the aisle of the center section and in
the aisle of the section against

2272
01:35:43,558 --> 01:35:47,770
the right side there was a gentleman and I
presume his wife and

2273
01:35:47,770 --> 01:35:52,212
the gentleman when we when we got on the
plane was just reading something

2274
01:35:52,212 --> 01:35:53,212
on an iPad mini.

2275
01:35:54,561 --> 01:35:56,022
Probably with lots of people do that on
planes.

2276
01:35:56,022 --> 01:35:58,803
Although I don't see as many iPad minis on
planes,

2277
01:35:58,803 --> 01:36:01,002
just to be fair. So he's reading an iPad
mini.

2278
01:35:59,699 --> 01:36:00,699
Yeah.

2279
01:36:01,002 --> 01:36:02,002
I was like, whatever. Okay, great,

2280
01:36:01,995 --> 01:36:04,246
cool. And then a little bit later in the
flight,

2281
01:36:04,246 --> 01:36:07,367
he pulls out an iPad Pro, an eleven inch
iPad Pro,

2282
01:36:07,367 --> 01:36:09,248
and starts watching a movie. I was like,

2283
01:36:09,248 --> 01:36:11,990
Bro is traveling with two iPads.

2284
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:14,671
Okay. I was like, this that's impressive.

2285
01:36:12,018 --> 01:36:15,131
Double fisting iPads, that's yeah.

2286
01:36:14,671 --> 01:36:18,783
He's got two different iPads. And I mean
iPad mini doesn't have have a

2287
01:36:19,203 --> 01:36:22,894
Huge battery life, but you could easily
make it through an eight hour flight with

2288
01:36:22,894 --> 01:36:26,316
an iPad mini, especially if what you
started to do is read,

2289
01:36:23,262 --> 01:36:24,355
Yeah, probably.

2290
01:36:26,316 --> 01:36:29,467
and second thing you're gonna do is play
video that you've already downloaded

2291
01:36:29,467 --> 01:36:31,848
because like they're optimized for that.

2292
01:36:31,848 --> 01:36:35,129
Apple uses that as the measure of like our
battery life.

2293
01:36:35,129 --> 01:36:37,450
So like you could have got there's just no
question.

2294
01:36:35,198 --> 01:36:36,198
Right, exactly.

2295
01:36:37,450 --> 01:36:40,751
And then later on, after the meal,

2296
01:36:40,751 --> 01:36:45,663
I look over and he is finger pecking
typing on a 12,

2297
01:36:45,663 --> 01:36:48,234
or I mean on a 13, a 12.9 inch iPad Pro or

2298
01:36:48,374 --> 01:36:52,516
13, whatever it is. So, like the I the 11
inch iPad Pro was sitting

2299
01:36:52,516 --> 01:36:55,298
in a magic keyboard, and all he was doing
is watching a video.

2300
01:36:55,298 --> 01:36:58,960
And then he pulls out the 13 inch iPad and
he's literally doing this.

2301
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,222
And I think he he was like doing work
because he also had some papers

2302
01:37:01,406 --> 01:37:02,406
Sure, sure.

2303
01:37:02,222 --> 01:37:03,443
out that looked like research.

2304
01:37:03,443 --> 01:37:04,984
I don't know. You know how you're on a
plane.

2305
01:37:04,984 --> 01:37:08,546
You want to know enough about what's
happening over there without actually
looking

2306
01:37:05,436 --> 01:37:06,436
Yeah, yeah.

2307
01:37:08,072 --> 01:37:11,076
Sure. Yeah, I get it.

2308
01:37:08,546 --> 01:37:10,447
like you're trying to figure out what's
happening over there.

2309
01:37:10,447 --> 01:37:12,768
So within four and a half hours,

2310
01:37:12,768 --> 01:37:15,390
he had pulled out three different iPads,

2311
01:37:15,390 --> 01:37:16,390
a mini.

2312
01:37:15,474 --> 01:37:16,474
Incredible.

2313
01:37:16,170 --> 01:37:20,533
And two different iPad pros. And so I
posted about it and a lot of people
thought

2314
01:37:20,533 --> 01:37:25,655
it was insanity. Which it is. And Samson
had actually responded and they're like,

2315
01:37:25,655 --> 01:37:29,338
I we need to understand why is this
happening.

2316
01:37:29,338 --> 01:37:30,468
I was like, I guess I should ask.

2317
01:37:30,468 --> 01:37:34,841
So I asked. And he said, I prefer the size
of the mini for reading,

2318
01:37:34,841 --> 01:37:37,302
which true. Like that's for sure the
truth.

2319
01:37:35,572 --> 01:37:36,572
Sure, sure.

2320
01:37:37,302 --> 01:37:39,283
And the screen is so nice on the eleven
inch.

2321
01:37:39,283 --> 01:37:41,305
So that's what I watch movies on.

2322
01:37:41,305 --> 01:37:43,326
But it's not big enough to do work.

2323
01:37:44,574 --> 01:37:45,574
Ha ha.

2324
01:37:44,667 --> 01:37:47,691
So I carry this quote, big one for doing
real work.

2325
01:37:47,691 --> 01:37:53,621
I'm like, but the eleven inches the one
that had the magic keyboard.

2326
01:37:48,026 --> 01:37:50,065
Amazing. Amazing.

2327
01:37:53,621 --> 01:37:58,659
I don't get it. And the and the the
thirteen inches had a had a smart folio.

2328
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:56,197
Right. One if you have

2329
01:37:58,659 --> 01:37:59,659
Like just

2330
01:37:59,666 --> 01:38:04,044
When if you have the same year eleven and
thirteen inch pro,

2331
01:38:04,044 --> 01:38:09,994
it's the same display. That's what I'm
saying.

2332
01:38:06,538 --> 01:38:09,504
Right. Yeah, so you could just watch the
movies on the thirteen inch.

2333
01:38:09,994 --> 01:38:13,140
Like the big screens is great even better
for movies because it's bigger.

2334
01:38:13,442 --> 01:38:14,961
I didn't think about that question.

2335
01:38:15,464 --> 01:38:18,194
But also like there were years where the
eleven and thirteen inch

2336
01:38:18,194 --> 01:38:22,138
had different screens where only that's
what I'm saying.

2337
01:38:19,255 --> 01:38:21,538
Well, but the thirteen inch usually had a
better screen.

2338
01:38:21,538 --> 01:38:22,538
So he

2339
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:27,660
would have had to have like several year
old thirteen inch iPad Pro.

2340
01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:30,739
I mean, maybe it was an A twelve Bionic or
something I in that thing.

2341
01:38:27,898 --> 01:38:30,769
True. That's true.

2342
01:38:30,739 --> 01:38:33,062
It's for the eleven inch to have had a
better screen.

2343
01:38:33,062 --> 01:38:34,974
That's a possibility that I did not
consider.

2344
01:38:34,974 --> 01:38:37,057
And if you did have that old of one,

2345
01:38:37,057 --> 01:38:38,278
you wouldn't have a magic keyboard either.

2346
01:38:39,422 --> 01:38:42,758
Fair. Well, magic keyboard's been around
for a while.

2347
01:38:40,554 --> 01:38:42,914
So yeah,

2348
01:38:42,914 --> 01:38:44,707
but I don't think the original well no,

2349
01:38:44,707 --> 01:38:50,520
you're right. The original one does have
the non series twelve point nine inch does

2350
01:38:46,312 --> 01:38:48,918
The twenty eighteen. Yeah.

2351
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,201
have a magic keyboard you can get for it.

2352
01:38:51,472 --> 01:38:53,901
Yeah. Yeah. Mm.

2353
01:38:52,201 --> 01:38:53,762
I don't know.

2354
01:38:54,082 --> 01:38:55,888
That's amazing. Did you get his name?

2355
01:38:55,888 --> 01:38:56,888
His first name?

2356
01:38:56,482 --> 01:38:57,482
No,

2357
01:38:56,832 --> 01:38:59,465
but then he pulled on an Android phone and
I just about lost it.

2358
01:38:59,227 --> 01:39:00,665
No you did no he did not.

2359
01:38:59,465 --> 01:39:02,102
Yeah, I told you that, didn't I?

2360
01:39:02,102 --> 01:39:06,351
I'm pretty sure I texted you that that he
started finger pipe t finger typing,

2361
01:39:03,188 --> 01:39:04,746
yeah, you do you texted me that you texted
me that

2362
01:39:06,351 --> 01:39:08,813
one finger pecking on an Android device.

2363
01:39:08,813 --> 01:39:14,308
It looked like some kind of super large
mid-range one plus thing or something.

2364
01:39:09,245 --> 01:39:10,245
That

2365
01:39:14,308 --> 01:39:15,308
I don't know.

2366
01:39:14,859 --> 01:39:16,786
That is an incredible that is incredible.

2367
01:39:16,714 --> 01:39:17,776
I know. I I

2368
01:39:16,786 --> 01:39:19,206
He's my hero. He's my hero.

2369
01:39:19,462 --> 01:39:22,441
I think I told you I was like if the guy
pulls out a kindle kindle I'm gonna have

2370
01:39:22,441 --> 01:39:23,441
to buy him a drink.

2371
01:39:24,821 --> 01:39:27,465
that it that is amazing. Three iPads.

2372
01:39:27,465 --> 01:39:30,990
Listen, I was yeah, I mean, I understand a
two iPad lifestyle.

2373
01:39:30,990 --> 01:39:32,603
Like if you want like a thirteen inch and
a mini,

2374
01:39:32,603 --> 01:39:36,078
but to have all three sizes, that's
something.

2375
01:39:35,572 --> 01:39:36,572
I mean I

2376
01:39:36,083 --> 01:39:41,449
have an eleven inch and a mini in the but
I mean I don't take them both on a plane.

2377
01:39:41,449 --> 01:39:45,253
In fact the eleven inch basically sits in
my room and I just read

2378
01:39:42,172 --> 01:39:43,172
That's that's

2379
01:39:45,253 --> 01:39:46,253
on it occasionally.

2380
01:39:45,916 --> 01:39:47,301
If he would have pulled out a Vision Pro,

2381
01:39:47,301 --> 01:39:49,570
sh should have just jumped out of the
plane.

2382
01:39:49,534 --> 01:39:50,534
If the guy

2383
01:39:50,035 --> 01:39:53,562
had pulled out a Vision Pro, I would have
found an award for him.

2384
01:39:52,456 --> 01:39:53,456
question

2385
01:39:53,757 --> 01:39:57,358
that that that is some three iPads on a
plane if you carry three iPads

2386
01:39:57,358 --> 01:40:00,749
on a plane leave us a five star rating and
review and let us know what

2387
01:40:00,749 --> 01:40:05,268
are you doing what are you doing what are
three iPads on a plane we're gonna

2388
01:40:01,792 --> 01:40:02,792
Yeah, why?

2389
01:40:05,268 --> 01:40:08,353
go record a bonus episode I didn't get to
my smart lock so I might mention that then

2390
01:40:08,353 --> 01:40:11,414
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2391
01:40:11,414 --> 01:40:15,586
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2392
01:40:15,586 --> 01:40:18,397
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2393
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2394
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2395
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2396
01:40:25,719 --> 01:40:27,190
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2397
01:40:27,190 --> 01:40:28,331
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2398
01:40:28,331 --> 01:40:30,173
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2399
01:40:30,173 --> 01:40:31,304
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2400
01:40:31,304 --> 01:40:33,777
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2401
01:40:33,777 --> 01:40:36,660
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2402
01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:38,152
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