You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,
would you? Welcome to Primary Technology,
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I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,
joined by Apple TV famous actor,
Jason Ayton. How's it going, Jason?
Wait a minute, I wasn't acting,
it was a reality show.
you were to always a re excuse me,
reality show. Listen. N I don't know I don't wanna burst anybody's bubble
Just wanna be clear.
who might be listening or watching,
but those reality shows, they're a little scripted.
But here's the thing, I don't want anybody I like,
I'm not a member of SAG After or whatever,
so I don't want anyone to come after me for calling myself an actor.
~ I see, sure. Fair
enough, fair enough. Jason literally was featured.
Not featured. He appeared.
Stop. I walked through
the background of a shot.
We'll get to all right, we'll get to it because I have
a picture that I gotta show everybody.
But did you know where that quote came from?
You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,
would you? It's it's not very well known.
Well, here's the thing. I think it's a Batman quote.
Maybe ~ it is.
I think the Joker says that. But
Yeah, you nailed it again. Yes,
that's right.
I also first I first thought it was a Wreck It Ralph quote.
Because I'm pretty sure he quotes that in Wreck It Ralph.
No. ~ maybe,
Well hold on, you should look.
I th but I think the the correct answer is it's the Joker.
maybe.
It's the Jack Nichols Nicholson Joker,
That is you're correct. That is correct.
right? Yeah. Yeah. You also sort of said it like Joker.
It is from the original Batman Michael Keaton.
I was trying to give you a little hint.
I mean it's it seemed kind of vague at first,
but yeah. You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses.
I'm wearing the meta glasses right now.
I got thoughts. Other people have thoughts about me having meta glasses.
We're gonna I want to get to all of that later in the show.
That's what I really wanna hear actually,
~ yes,
is just the could you just collect all their thoughts?
can it cause the glasses are just always recording.
No, just kidding. But meta might be making glasses that always record.
We'll get to too.
Two quick five star review shout outs.
DJ Eston thirty-one from Canada,
which says that's we're fantastic.
Thank you. And of all the tech podcasts I've listened to,
this is the most recent. Thank you for that.
Well,
I don't know that that's actually a raving review.
That just means that he listened to our podcast and then left a review.
he says fantastic. Yes.
That's correct. That's correct.
That's all that means.
That's what he did. And now this was a four-star review,
but I want to mention it. ~ Burbank from the USA said info and banter are excellent,
but was struggling with the volume level.
And listen, ~ this is the whole team of primary technology.
It's me and Jason. We do the whole thing.
I edit the show twice because we do video and audio.
But I also understand I obsess about audio,
and it's really tough to obsess about audio when you're doing the video stuff
in Apple Podcasts for a variety of reasons.
Anyway, let me know how this one sounds,
because I'm gonna do something different on this one,
and if it makes a significant difference,
then I will continue to do it,
which will probably add
A significant amount of time to the process,
but I will do it because I want everybody to have a good experience.
So let me know. I'm gonna try something different.
I'm gonna try it.
I appreciate
though it's fun that Steven edits this show twice because that makes up
for the fact that I edit it zero times.
Yes, I appreciate that.
I edited once for both of us and it
counts it all. All right, you were in England for July fourth,
I was. As
which is hilarious.
one does when you're an American,
you fly across the pond.
What's a kilometer? Anyway, and then you send me
this photo, which is from the Apple TV broadcast of the F one if someone wanted
to re-watch this, what would they watch to see you?
If you go to Apple T V, the the Formula One tab,
because you now get this for free if you have an Apple T V subscription,
right? ~ I believe this was before ~ it was either the Sprint I think
That's right. That's right.
it was either the Sprint race or qualifying.
It was not the actual race. I will find out and I will like tell Steven
Okay.
or something and you can put it But ~ so I knew this was going to happen because
Yes, yes.
I realized I'm walking behind this is you know,
this is the sky cr or the Formula One team that does all the commentary and stuff.
Right.
So I I'm walking out to shoot.
As you can see, I'm carrying a camera and I'm dressed in my little tabboard things.
That's what the listen, that thing you you're you can laugh right now,
but that's what lets you basically go anywhere on the track you want to.
No, I know, I know.
So I'm walking and all of a sudden I realized that was probably a live shot.
They're probably like 'cause they're talking like why would these four people
be standing there talking with a camera pointed at them if it's
not actually being broadcast? So I was like,
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna send that to my my kids and my fa my my family.
So
Was it like
did did it seem like it like before the thing,
like it was at the beginning?
This was it the ver yeah, so there yes,
I'm gonna find I'll find the link.
I believe that this was the very beginning of qualifying for the race.
So it would have been on Saturday,
I'll find the Apple T V link to this broadcast specifically and I will put
it in the show notes so you can all watch Jason walk behind them.
It's really not that exciting at all.
I find it very exciting.
But there were way more
exciting things that happened.
Billy Jean King was there. Do you know who Billie Jean King is?
Okay. I don't. Who is that? I'm sorry,
Stephen. She's like won s Wimbledon sixteen times.
I don't know who that is.
Like six of those as a as a singles and like ten or eleven times as a
as a doubles as a partner, doubles partner.
Okay, that's very I did not know that.
But Billy Jean King, she's like one of the most famous tennis players of time.
Very cool.
Anyway, there's a lot of other people.
Okay, I'll sorry, I don't know.
I'll put the official I'll put the official why are you doing this to me,
Harrison Barnes. Do you know who Harrison Barnes is?
Basketball player? Yeah, 'cause you don't know anything about sports.
Jason? You can make me look I don't anybody.
I'm gonna
put the official website of Billy Jean King in the show notes.
Okay. Great. Anyway, it was a lot of fun.
How about that? Okay? I'm gonna do that.
That's very cool. And it is.
So Silverstone is a pretty iconic race.
It was the
first Formula One race, and so the British Grand Prix.
And so it was a lot of fun to be there.
Okay.
Did you do anything on July fourth that was typically American?
Yeah, I went to a barbecue, which as you do,
in England. I don't and anyway so the Cadillac team.
I'm surprised they allow that.
I am too, but it was in the paddock.
I'm surprised they Okay.
The Cadillac team threw a barbecue in their area of the paddock.
It was great. I did get some people who are pr probably from Tennessee who are like,
That's not a barbecue. It is a barbecue.
Just to be clear listen,
If you're from Tennessee, we love you,
that's not how you sound. Jason's just making fun of this particular Tennesseean.
that's not a barbecue. No tennis
That's
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
even worse. Yeah.
A barbecue just means that you cook meat over fire.
That's literally what the word barbecue means.
I think you just made one hundred enemies,
Look it up. It was really funny because somebody told me I was wrong.
but okay, continue.
I'm not looking it up.
They're like, Merriam Webster disagrees,
and then they sent me the photo of Merriam Webster and it literally just says
What's a barbecue? I'm asking Siri AI.
Hold on. This is gonna Just give just give me a second.
I appreciate it. I
A barbecue is an outdoor social gathering where food is cooked over an open fire
or grill. The term also refers to the cooking equipment itself and the slow cooked,
smoked meat served at these events.
Siri AI agrees. Yeah,
So most people only think about the last one as it's like ribs or pulled pork
yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure.
or something
like that. I'm like, no, that's anyway,
they had a barbecue, it was hot dogs,
burgers. It was quite the spread.
They even had like the frozen pops like that you had as a kid,
the like push pops, the ones that you you buy them and they're just
~ yeah, yeah.
a bunch of liquid in a warm bag and then you put them in the freezer
and they become a popsicle and every kid loves them.
Exactly.
Yeah, they had all that stuff.
They had Budweiser, you know, it doesn't get any more American than that.
~ America. What's a kilometer exactly?
So anyway, I did I did
It was I posted a short little video to threads of the whole experience
and I think it might be the most liked post that I've ever shared.
It is like six hundred likes just from a short video of the ~ of a barbecue
That's funny.
in the paddock. And but I I did get some people who are like,
That's funny.
You know that team is terrible.
I'm like, I don't care and people are like,
Yeah. Enjoy let me enjoy my freedom and barbecue.
They're not the only American team.
I'm like, I don't care. They threw a barbecue,
it's free burgers and hot dogs and good stuff.
So
They
even had Coca-Cola in glass bottles.
It does not get any more Fourth of July than that.
That's all right, that's it. We're gonna talk about July fourth again later,
~ because I wore these glasses to the July fourth that we went to.
And you can't measure freedom in meters.
But anyway, let's talk about I was No,
Which none of those words actually go together,
but it's fine.
they don't. Now we said something we're gonna do in the pre show.
We're gonna talk about iOS twenty seven beta three and we're gonna
do something live here on the show.
I've been holding out installing the beta on my main iPhone.
I've had it on all my side devices,
but we're gonna we're
We're both gonna put it on our main iPhone right now.
You got yours ready? Are you gonna do it?
It's ready to go.
All right, I'm gonna do it right here.
Hold on, let me go to the software update.
I probably should have done this before.
I'm way more ready than you are.
You're way more ready. Cause I didn't even have it on the developer beta thing,
because I was like, this is probably gonna bork my smart home.
I'm not gonna be able to control any of my devices.
~ See the stakes
are very low for me. I don't have any of those th I have like two shortcuts that
See.
run and if they don't, I don't care.
See, well, I'll still have my main Mac Studio is not gonna be on.
I can't, I'm not gonna put that on the beta.
I'm not gonna do that till this fall.
Well, let's do it. We're gonna update our main daily driver iPhones to
Okay.
iOS 27 beta 3. You ready? See,
I gotta put my passcode in, so hang on.
Yep. No, you're gonna have to put your passcode in too.
I would now I'm ready. Okay. What's a kilometer?
Yes. Yeah,
to do the update. Wait, did you already pr did you already press the update now?
I just did. Yep, go.
Update now. yeah, you're right.
I do gotta put in my passcode.
You're right. Hold on.
And then you gotta
agree to the terms. Okay. Now it's now the update is requested.
I gotta read the terms. did I read them?
No, no one reads them.
And now hang on, while you're doing that,
I'm gonna go ahead and update my Mac too.
Yeah, while we record, thank you.
All Well, I'm updating IO
twenty seven beta three on my main iPhone as we speak.
Because I mean, chances are if you look at the public beta release cycle,
it's likely coming out pretty soon.
If you were waiting for the public beta,
it's it's probably coming. So beta three came out this past Monday,
and there's been some interesting developments.
Number one, a huge win for the shortcuts team.
You can now go into the shortcuts,
you can there's a toggle now where you can say,
Good take me straight to the editor.
The actions rather than having to go to the describe a shortcut
by default every time you tap a shortcut.
I am taking full credit for this because I requested it day one of dub dub.
I saw somebody, I grabbed him by the collar,
I said, Listen, I need a toggle.
I need to be able to just go straight to the actions view,
and now you can do that. So in beta three.
So wait, what you're saying is that the
Yes.
the IOS twenty seven default was that if you wanted to make a new shortcut,
you had to tell it what you wanted it to do.
You couldn't just go in the way you've been able to do forever and just start making
one.
You could do that, but you always had to tap the little editor.
And even if you went into a shortcut that you had built previously,
like one of my 1500, it would go to the describe a shortcut scene or like page
by default rather than show me the actions of the shortcut that I
had built years ago. And my method of working,
I always want to go to the editor,
which is what Apple calls it, or the actions view.
And so now in beta three, you'll see there is a page.
If you go to settings, apps, shortcuts.
You can say bring me to the editor by default,
or if you want to go to the describe a shortcut by default,
you can do that. So I am very thankful that that is there.
There is also a rather ominous restore button that
tells you 731 shortcuts on this device aren't currently in your library.
I don't know exactly what that means,
and I'm terrified to press it.
Federico Vittici said that it basically took all of his shortcuts that weren't
in a folder.
and kind of re-added them. So I'm not pressing that restore button.
I would not recommend doing that.
~ but it's there if that's the thing you want.
But it's huge win. Huge win.
There
there is a tendency that of Apple,
not just Apple, but that's the one I'm most familiar with,
of giving you something like that that might very well be extremely useful,
but you're like, I have no idea what they're trying to tell me.
What does restore mean? What does it mean that these things are not there
are seven hundred on this device that are not in my library or that
are in my library but are not like I don't know what you're trying to tell
I don't like that. Yeah, I know.
me and I don't know if I should push this button or not.
And I feel like I've come across that over the last ten years enough times that
I feel like they just need a copy editor.
Someone who can look at this and be like,
Mm.
We need to use words that people will understand.
I think that's a good idea because that that button is cure.
Yeah. Call me Apple. I'm happy to help.
There you go. And Jason writes,
~ we need to talk about I need to get your take on the reminders icon in a moment.
But the other interesting development is it looks like Siri AI is starting
to look into third-party apps.
And the one place that it seems it's doing that consistently is with
EV device charging. And so if you're on beta three and you ask it,
what's the charge on my car?
You will get wildly different results.
Sometimes it'll tell you, sometimes it won't,
but it might. And so I did it on my iPhone Air.
And what it showed me was a dropdown that said,
I asked, like, what's the charge of my car?
And in the notification, it says,
I'll need to access your Tesla data to use the app.
Is that okay? A yes or no toggle,
which I was like, for sure. Go get it.
And then it says error. Sorry,
we can't do that.
So this is the very beginning stages of this.
One, it will be interesting because I don't think there was an update
to the Tesla app that somehow allowed this.
So it seems like maybe because it has an app intense,
you know, there are Tesla shortcuts actions and there's app intense.
Maybe just out of the box, Siri AI will be able to look at that information
and get it. But that's very exciting because once Siri AI can look into third-party
apps, that opens
A world of possibilities for pulling data hopefully from things like your Gmail,
which probably doesn't have app intense right now,
but an Outlook and all the third party apps that people are like,
will this actually work with Siri AI?
So hopeful. I'm optimistic. Maybe.
Maybe.
Because
just to be clear, this story is like we don't know like it may never work with
Tesla. The fact that that prompt said that is just because it knew you had
an app on your phone that was an EV app.
So like I don't know that that this is a function of Siri being able
to look into those third party apps.
It obviously requires those third party apps to decide that they want
you to do that. And this is the the only reason I mentioned this is this
is the kind of story where
Someone came across the thing and then drew some conclusions and then wrote a story.
Yes. Yes.
But we actually don't actually we have no idea what this means.
We don't we don't know whether third party apps are are we're any closer.
We have no idea, and Apple has not said anything.
And the reason I make mention this is you could read the story and think,
this is cool. Apple is doing the proactive thing of just using your phone for you,
essentially, looking into stuff.
I don't think that that's what that this means.
It might.
I don't think we can draw that conclusion.
I think what this might mean is like at some point,
if an app decides that it's going to do this,
then Siri w will be able to do it the way that it can with first party apps.
But there's a lot of steps that have to happen there.
And I don't know that like Tesla so far has shortcuts.
Yes, that's great. Will it also allow you to just ask Cere,
what's my charge level app? I don't I don't know.
I don't know.
Well
in in in the nine to five Max story that I'll link below,
there's a tweet from Max Weinbach where he got it to tell it
him the charge percentage. So he was able to get Siri AI to show
a little circle with the car charge,
the percentage of the battery,
and how many miles are left on the range.
Now
But not with his Tesla app. It was with a different third party app.
Yes. There's a separate app called Tessi that it did work with.
Was it with a different third party app?
So
interesting.
Okay, yes, that is a wrinkle. That is a wrinkle.
We'll have to see.
Now, someone also
said it was working with the Ford app.
Again, what I'm trying to say here is like I don't think that Siri has taken
a leap forward where it is able to just go into an app and do that unless those
developers have either said we're in.
And right even if they do, keep in mind,
Right.
they may not they're not using iOS twenty seven frameworks
and APIs and whatever in their currently publicly released versions.
Like you can't ship
Right.
a version of an app using this stuff yet.
Trust me, I've I've I haven't tried,
Right.
but like I very quickly came across like,
Ha ha.
shoot, I have to be careful about how I do this 'cause if I'm using something that
requires twenty s anyway. So I don't know.
I think it's cool and I think it's encouraging.
I just was like there's a conclusion drawn from this that that you could make that
I don't think you should make.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Okay.
Well, we will ~ I'm cautiously optimistic,
but yes, we have to see. And I think come once the iPhone is launched and
we get the iOS twenty seven release date,
that is when you hear from a lot of app developers to be like,
hey, we'll be there on day one.
Because look at that. Look all right,
I'll be there on day one. You can use C to do anything you want in my apps.
Yep.
well look at that. There you go.
And one I I need to get your professional opinion on one other thing
in this beta three. Apple changed the reminders icon to go from a solid circle
on the left of three little lines of the old reminders icon to now three fruit loops
on the new reminders icon. And that listen,
this is tweet went out it got out there,
it broke containment. A lot of people had thoughts on it.
A lot of people said they loved it.
I I need to know how you feel about this,
Jason.
I don't really know the last time I looked at the reminders icon.
I never I never see it. I don't care.
Okay.
This is who cares? Like what's bad about it?
No, no, no, but you got
I don't I don't know if it's bad it looks a little cl they inverted it.
They just inverted it. Literally they took the dark part
and made it the light part and they took the light part and made it the dark part.
That's all they did.
I don't know if it looks a little like clowny,
like clown s c I don't know.
Something about it.
In the sc in the in the thread that we're looking at on our screen,
Yes. That's right. I will link it in the show notes.
which is very small, there's a screenshot of two icons that are very small,
Yes. Yes.
and yet they're still a thousand times bigger than anyone will ever
see them on their device. Okay.
I know I know that. No,
I know I'm the grump. I I'm not being cranky about it.
I'm just saying I don't know why I don't know.
no, no, just curious.
Like do you look at the reminders icon very often?
~ I do that's where I have my video planning and personal tasks.
I know I I do actually have it on my home screen,
so I do look at it a lot. Mm maybe it'll look fine.
Okay. Okay.
Well I'm I'm I'm installing the beta right now on my main iPhone,
so I'll let you know how it feels looking at it every day.
How you feel it?
I think I just A interesting design choice.
B interesting to change the icon design on beta three and not beta one.
Because obviously there was a bunch of design changes,
I was twenty seven with all the liquid glass stuff.
You got the slider and corner radii on the Mac,
like all these things, and then the reminders icon just changes beta three.
Okay, well
that part doesn't surprise me at all because the team that works in Reminders
is not the same team that's working on IOS twenty seven.
So the the their d their deadline for shipping is just release date,
Sure ~ sure.
right? So yeah.
Whenever. Yeah,
that's fair. Okay, that's fair.
All right, the last thing I want to say about iOS twenty-seven,
this is kind of an unfortunate turn of events.
The Apple home updates for Home Kit Secure Video,
we've talked about it. I did a video on it on my channel.
They're gonna be behind the two terabyte iCloud Plus subscription paywall
or Apple One premiere bundle. Meaning things like the the notifications that will
be more streamlined so you don't get 1,000 notifications when people go
in and out of the door. The
Descriptions for video, natural language descriptions,
that natural language searching of your video recordings.
A lot of this is going to be behind that higher tier iCloud account,
which I think is unfortunate. Now previously,
just to use HomeKit Secure Video,
you needed to pay for iCloud Plus.
So this HomeKit Secure Video was never a free,
quote unquote free feature, but you would have it if you even if you were only
on the 200 gig iCloud storage plan.
But now for these other features,
you're gonna have to go to the higher tiers for iCloud Plus storage.
I think that's just kinda it's kinda meh.
Like I wish it wasn't gated behind the higher tiers.
That's all.
But there's
an actual cost with this though.
Is there?
Aren't they storing all of this secure vi home kit secure video?
Well that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying don't charge for the Home Kit Secure video at all.
They already were. You already had to pay for iCloud storage
for HomeKit Secure Video. But now if you were only on the two hundred
gig iCloud storage plan, you don't get these new features.
You won't get the Apple intelligence summaries,
the natural language search, the better notifications.
Now you have to upgrade even higher for that.
Even though I you know, I don't know if this is happening on device or in the cloud.
I have a feeling the notifications stuff is probably on device.
To streamline that stuff, but I don't know.
It feels a little like, ~ I don't like that.
~ and I mean, I guess it's seems weird because iCloud plus
all of the other features are the same.
that true? Across
For the
yeah, you get like private relay,
hide my email. I think you get all of that.
Family sharing, Apple invites,
Yeah.
~ so all of those are the same no matter what.
So none of the other features have been gated based on how much storage you're
paying for. So it does feel sort of weird that now suddenly you have to be paying.
Whereas if it's like, well, if the ten ninety or the nine ninety nine dollar
a month, nine ninety nine a month plan included other features that were distinct.
I mean it does actually now. It includes unlimited cameras where
the other plans don't include unlimited cameras.
So there already is a distinction there.
Correct.
So I don't know.
Yeah, I mean I don't use HomeKit secure camera,
Yeah.
so it's it's hard to get worked up about.
But I do understand philosophically that Apple has these
Mm.
two subscription bundle things.
Apple one and this iCloud Plus,
and it's like, well, we don't need a third one.
So we just have to dump it into this and some so it's just not gonna quite make
Yeah.
sense. I I agree. So but you're already paying for two terabytes,
That is true. That is true.
right? I mean, you're at least paying for two terabytes is what I'm saying,
Jason.
right?
~
at least, yes. Now wait a minute,
Right. So it's not a problem for you.
You got this.
let's I don't know if we've ever covered this on the show.
I mean you you pay you pay for four terabytes?
Four. I pay for four. I have
the two terabytes with the Apple One and then I pay for two terabytes.
And you pay for the Apple One premiere for your family?
Y sh I think so. I pay for the whatever the one that includes yes,
all of it. It's like thirty seven dollars,
I don't wanna I don't wanna say it.
right? For the Apple One Premier Plus Max Pro bundle.
Yes. Yes. It's it's
Apple One Premier is the thirty-eight dollars a month.
And you you get all the things plus the two terabytes of iCloud.
I think that's what I'm paying for.
This and I I'll just I'll just show this,
flash it on screen for a second.
That's my it's my iCloud storage right there.
Why are you paying
for eight terabytes? That's insane.
Why is your iCloud library twelve terabytes?
What does that say?
My iCloud photos is one point two terabytes.
One point
two. I thought it said twelve.
I'm like, that math does not work.
No, no.
iCloud Photos, one point two terabytes.
iCloud Drive, five hundred gigs,
backups is about two hundred seventy gigs.
How much ~ storage does your messages take up?
gosh, now I have to go back here to this.
I'm curious. Go check it out. Anyway I
I'm waiting for
my I my thing to update and
I pay for the eight terabytes because there's five point one terabytes used right
now total across my family.
Because you actually
use iCloud Drive instead of Dropbox.
'Cause I have eight terabytes of Dropbox storage.
I do.
Sheesh. Okay, well then we're even we're even there.
But what does it
No, actually
I have more because I have eight terabytes of Dropbox and four terabytes of iCloud.
Well, listen, my
family barely uses any iCloud storage.
So it's basically all me. Like the family usage to me.
I ~ yeah. Your messages,
Okay, so your question was
how much d storage in iCloud does your messages take up?
It's not taking up very much space in my phone,
which is nice.
My message is currently is one hundred and forty gigabytes.
Mine's eighty gigabytes. And I understand why you are this isn't okay,
So yeah.
Steven. This is a thing that's exactly the same as what we were just talking about
with that restore button, where you don't know what it means.
Okay.
Because if you tap on messages
Yes.
you could manage your storage and it'll say you have I have eighty point
Mm-hmm.
one gigs of messages data securely stored in iCloud and available
to all your devices. And I could delete that and free up all that space.
Yes.
At what cost?
What I don't understand is if I delete,
because it's just all the attachments and photos and videos,
right? Now, I don't think I want to do that in iCloud.
Correct. Yeah.
I want them to all stay in iCloud.
What I don't want is I don't want them on my device.
Yes. Correct.
Because guess what? If I tap on it,
it can just still download it.
But if you go to your your st the storage,
if you don't if I back out and I go to general iPhone storage and I look down
There's no
and I see how much space my messages are taking up.
And I'm like, ~ save up to, you know,
twenty one gigs in attachments taking up storage and messages
and consider deleting them. What happens if I do that,
Steven?
Well that's like the large attachments.
So you could say review large attachments and then you can delete one
by one or select multiple. Yeah.
But what what what is happening?
W are they staying in iCloud? That's what I don't
That's a good question. I don't know.
know is if I delete it, is it syncing that I've deleted it so now it's gone?
Because I would I would delete all of them if they were still in iCloud and
I think it's gone.
That's the thing.
I knew I could pull them back down anytime I want.
It's kind of like in Dropbox or in iCloud where you can be like,
Black box.
I don't need a local version of this,
just only have it in the cloud.
Right, just keep it in the cloud,
yeah.
Listen, no one can know. No one not even anyone at Apple knows.
But we should know. All
They don't no one knows what happens.
right, sorry. This was not a we're we're way off track.
I apologize. It's completely my fault.
No, the storage I know.
I've been traveling for a week.
I've I'm just very discombobied.
Storage is a everybody's gotta deal with storage.
You know what I mean? It just it happens.
All right, I wanted to cover the the Microsoft Xbox layoffs.
And it's Microsoft layoffs in total,
but just a vast majority of them are Xbox.
I'll put the TechCrunch article in here.
They're laying off forty eight hundred people,
two point one percent of its global workforce.
So that is unfortunate. The statement,
the EVP and Chief People Officer,
Amy Coleman.
Had a statement and they wanted to stress,
quote, these roles are not being replaced by AI.
Okay, but noted, what is true is that AI is changing how work gets done.
Which seems like it's not AI,
but also could be AI. That's why we're laying.
Well, what they're really saying is we're not replacing these roles with robots.
What we're going to do is pay two hundred dollars a month for Claude
Max and make the existing employees do twice as much work.
The yeah, that. That. Yes. And she goes on to say,
That's what they're saying.
some of the tasks we do every day can now be automated.
And that means we all need to keep learning,
keep building new skills, and keep adapting.
I'm not gonna say that sounds like a threat,
but it kind of sounds like a threat to everyone who's still at Microsoft.
It's like listen, the task you do right now,
it could be automated, so maybe develop some new skills.
That's what it sounds like.
Okay. I mean
so when I was in England, I was I think that's what I'm supposed to say,
'cause I was in the country of England,
which is part of the United Kingdom.
Yeah, you were in England. Yeah.
You were in Great Britain, United Kingdom.
Anyway, I was I was in Oxford is where I was.
Yes. Did you visit the Eagle and Child,
I went to Oxford for a meeting.
I wanted to, but I literally the company I went for a meeting and they paid they
by the way? Just
sent a car to pick me up from Milton Keynes 'cause it's an hour to Oxford.
I had the meeting and then the car took me back.
So it was very but anyway, in the conversation I was having,
that's
they were telling me about one of the F one teams where they had a guy used
to have to write report every day.
They've sent back to the factory.
This is what we need to do. Now,
this person has an AI agent that just does that for him every single day.
Mm.
And it has saved him like three hours a day.
Now, that doesn't mean they pay the guy for three hours less.
It just means he can do something different for three hours.
Something different. Sure. Sure.
So there's like a net positive.
That's a good use of AI. But having the robot just do all that person's work feels
Yeah.
like a really bad use of AI. And I feel like we the companies that
now Microsoft's a little different because
If these people were writing code,
it turns out that the AI agents are pretty good at that.
And one human can probably handle re I'm saying things I don't really know because
I haven't actually written a lot of code,
even though I have an app in the app store.
Sure, sure.
But it feels like you really good top level engineers,
software engineers are able to supervise a bunch of AI agents that they
pay a lot less money for than the $380,000 salary they were paying
the programmer or whatever it was.
And so
Right.
I feel
like it's it is a little disingenuous to say we're not replacing these jobs with AI.
What does that actually mean? Like,
right, you're not hiring robots powered by AI,
Right.
but what is true is that AI is changing how works get done.
What okay, yeah, you're gonna just use the AI to do the work.
It's the same thing, right?
It sounds like that. And and this is one of the things I I was just I
was curious if I could find information quickly about the amount
of video game companies, not just Microsoft in general,
who have had massive layoffs, which I'm pretty sure Epic Games had
a bunch of layoffs. A bunch of like video game developer ~ studios have
had massive layoffs. And they all say it's not because of AI,
but it's also like a lot of the development work at that is happening
at these companies seems to have been like that's who's getting fired.
And so all that's say for Xbox and Microsoft,
sixteen hundred of the forty eight hundred are in the Xbox division for Microsoft.
And Microsoft is also transitioning four of its gaming studios under new management.
And Asha Sharma, the head of Xbox,
basically said like their profitability is not like they're not doing well.
They're not doing well as a company.
There are things like Game Pass and other initiatives that they thought would
perform well has not been performing well.
And I hear, you know, Nei on the verge,
and he's saying, like, Xbox might just get spun off.
Like Microsoft might be done with it pretty soon.
But you also look at the hardware of video game industry as a whole.
The Steam Machine is out there that's really expensive,
even though they're selling it at cost.
PlayStation Pro got more expensive.
Xbox got more expensive, even though these game systems have been out for years,
all because of it. And
Also, PlayStation announced that they were gonna be done with physical discs
by I think twenty twenty eight,
and there was a huge backlash on that.
Just video game industry as a whole seems like not in a good place.
Not in a good place.
Yeah, and
and in addition well, I don't I guess I don't know enough about
the video game industry to know whether that's true or not,
because people do like entertainment,
right? Maybe as businesses they have creeped their way into unprofitable areas that
has have caused some problems.
But I think the bigger problem that Microsoft has had is a problem that other
companies like Meta has had. ~ Meta,
for example, is an advertising company.
But guess what? Selling ads is just not cool.
So Mark Zuckerberg does not care about it at all.
That's why you're wearing glasses right now.
Right? That's why they made they bought a headset company.
Exactly.
That's why they thought the metaverse should be a thing that no
one else thought should be a thing.
It's because selling ads is not cool.
Selling Excel is not cool. It's just not cool.
You know what's cool? Video games are cool.
So what if we had a video game company and we made a console and we made like
That was the problem, but it's like Microsoft was it's just never gonna
win that game. PlayStation one,
right? ~ Swit the Nintendo Switch won the other market of it.
Zero switch. Right.
And then you have all these other things.
But for a company like if if Xbox was on its own,
I think that it would be a very,
very different story for it because the incentives would be different.
The incentives would be like how does this become a good business without worrying
That is true.
about how it competes with the other businesses?
And you talked about like what Ne Lai says.
Like Microsoft's whole Xbox philosophy was what if we could put some
you know, windows in your living room.
What if we c what if instead you had a computer,
Right.
you had a phone and then your T V also ran some version of Windows and
it turned out that that was Xbox?
Right. Right.
Just it's just nobody c that's just not what people how people how it shuck
Yeah.
I'm curious. So I'll put a polygon article in here because after PlayStation
announced January twenty twenty eight would be the cutoff date,
they won't make physical games anymore,
physical game discs. There was a huge backlash against it.
PlayStation didn't address it,
and then they posted something about their Flex Strike wireless fight stick.
That was their next post after announcing about no physical games.
And of course the reaction to that is still people are very mad.
People are very mad. And I've been
I follow a few gamers on Instagram,
game streamers, obviously with my kids who are into games,
like I know of game streamers because of them.
And like the reaction is universally negative,
with some people being like, listen,
we don't buy no one cares about physical media anymore.
I'm curious your your thought,
because I did this whole video on the Kaleidoscape movie streamer,
which is like quote unquote the answer to high quality movies that aren't Blu-rays.
So still in the digital world,
but you don't need physical disc.
And physical media has been going away for a long time.
Best Buy doesn't even sell physical media in the stores anymore.
You have to either get it on Amazon or some random store,
you know, a local video shop or whatever.
Do you have any nostalgia or feelings for physical media?
Like I was I was tempted to buy Interstellar on a 4K Blu-ray disc after
all of this because I was like,
do I want maybe I want some of my favorite movies on a physical disc.
But even though I'll never play it.
I don't know. What do you think?
How do you feel?
~ so I think there's a couple of different things.
I do think you can still buy f game media at Best Buy.
They don't sell movies on okay on on Blue.
Correct. They don't sell movies on Blu-ray.
Okay. Just to be clear. I and I I understand why.
The reason is because people weren't buying them.
And it is you cannot build a profitable build profitable business at
the kind of scale that a company like Microsoft or Best Buy or whoever needs on
people who are nostalgic for the days of physical media,
right? Like that's not a very profitable business.
And there's GameStop for that,
I guess. Like that's the that's where that business is.
I like the c the collidescape.
I don't understand how that can possibly be a profitable business.
And then you think, it's a very,
very, very, very, very, very small niche business.
And it only it's only for people who care deeply about this.
And I don't think the people who care deeply about physical media care about things
like
Maybe some of them do, so don't send me nasty emails.
But like the the argument for physical media is not as much anymore that
I have a copy of it on my shelf.
However, I do have like all all seven seasons of the West Wing on D V D.
I think I think it's ownership.
I think it's the question of ownership because and I'll share this article
in the show notes too. There have been cases where even when people have purchased
the digital copy of a movie, it's been removed from whatever service they purchased
it from. PlayStation in particular,
there was a movie like Terminator Two.
Even if you had purchased it through like PlayStation's movie service,
it got removed because of a change in licensing deal.
And people who have bought that movie
For the full price, no longer had access to it.
And so there is this feeling, and I do wonder if it's also connected to
the whole AI and the negative cultural feelings about that.
Like maybe it's all tied together where it's like I'm renting everything.
Like anytime I buy something, it's a subscription.
Or even when I think it's a full-on purchase,
it feels like a rental because it could be taken from me at any point.
And
I I get that feeling. I typically if I ever purchase a movie,
it's either on the dumb Kaleidoscape because it's the only way to watch it,
or I purchase it from Apple because I feel somewhat confident that movies that
are on Apple that I buy from Apple won't go away.
But it also does feel like, do I truly own that thing?
Because I think even a like years ago,
I don't think it's been recent,
but I think even Apple's library has lost some titles for it.
And so I think people just feel like I'm paying for Netflix,
I'm paying for HBO, I'm paying for Hulu and Disney Plus.
I don't own any of this. Everything is a rental.
And even when I want to own something,
there's a chance that it could be removed if it's digital and so I want
the physical thing. And now the companies are saying actually we're
not even gonna do the physical things anymore either.
Yeah.
That's fair. I mean theoretic I mean not theoretically.
Technically speaking, even if you buy it on a disc or actually just buying
a license to something, right?
They can't come and take it because it's called breaking and entering.
They can't come and get the disc from you.
Right. Right.
But you can you're very limited in what you're allowed to do with
it because they want desperately to control how their work is presented.
I think, you know, Apple's I guess the the advantage Apple had for a long time
was you could literally download the like you buy a movie,
you download it
In the worst case scenario of all these movies starts,
you just disconnect that device from the internet.
And it's like I at least have the bits,
right? Because I have a lot of songs that I've downloaded.
Yeah.
A lot of songs. And I don't think Apple is going to take any of them away.
I paid 99 cents and then later,
was it like a dollar twenty nine for the DRM free?
Dollar Yeah, if you have iTunes plus tracks,
I yeah,
they're D R free and you own them,
the file.
yeah, I can do what I want with them.
I can put them on a hard drive over here,
and guess what? They'll just work some other time.
The downside to
movies is there's just much larger files.
So it's a little harder to do that.
But I g I get what you're saying.
Do you th I was though I was I think there are some people for whom that maybe this
is the problem. That for some people that's the incentive.
I want to have the physical thing because then you cannot take it away from me.
That's one set of arguments. The other set of arguments I hear is
I want the physical thing because it's higher quality and I care about,
you know, Netflix doesn't stream it I mean Netflix is streaming at like whatever
the standard is what ten eighty
like 1920 by 1080 or whatever like that,
it's not very high quality. You can get the 4K,
Right.
but it's compressed to heck because like otherwise it's like 70 gig files that
it have to send you. So yeah. So like if you want to have the the high quality,
Hence the kaleidoscape.
then the physical media or something like Collide Escape is what you need.
But I but the the problem is those two those two values are distinct enough that
there's not enough buying power to say,
no, this is a thing because most people are like,
you know what, I'd rather just give you 25 bucks a month and put them
all on Netflix. And the people who
Right.
pay the twenty five dollars a month for Netflix are not buying Netflix because
it has a thing they really, really I used to pay for Netflix because they
had friends, the office and the West Wing.
And they don't have, I don't think,
any of those things now. I don't know.
Right. They still have the West Wing,
So I think it finally went back because it was not there for a long time.
I think. That's where I saw it.
Yeah, it finally went back. Right.
But the point is like you're not paying for a specific piece of content.
What you're paying for is the ability to turn it on and just
be entertained by something.
Right.
Right. Yeah. And I th I think people understand like Netflix,
like you don't own anything. HBO Mac,
you don't own anything. Like you just don't own it.
And I think that's why the video game it I think it's felt more by video game
~ people in that world, because if it's a digital only video game,
which PlayStation is saying everything will be digital by twenty twenty eight,
it feels like it's more like I'm renting this thing than I'm than I'm buying it.
And I'll also put this article in the show notes because
There was this case back in twenty eighteen where someone claimed that movies
disappeared from their Apple library even though they purchased it.
The facts of the matter is this person changed their country or region.
I don't know if they moved or whatever.
And because certain movies are only available in certain countries because
of licensing, that's why the movies disappeared from their library.
So it wasn't that Apple lost the license or removed it from their library.
It's that they changed region and not everything you buy is available
in all regions. Which again also feels like
If I buy the Interstellar Blu-ray,
I can travel anywhere in the world with my Blu-ray player and and play that Blu-ray.
But if I buy it on some service,
if it's not licensed in another country,
then I don't own it in that country.
It feels weird. And I think I think all of this stuff is just kind
Yeah.
of conglomerating into this negative feeling of I don't own any of
the things I'm buying anymore and I don't like it.
I think that's just the general feeling that's going on with people.
And so anyway.
If they do put a Blu-ray player in the Vision Pro,
I would wear it on an airplane.
Okay, I have an update for you.
No, you yeah.
First of all, 27.3, they have changed what you see when you're indexing.
It does not say indexing anymore,
That's right. That's right.
it says optimizing because people were freaking out because it took two weeks.
That's right.
And I'm kind of angry because I just now realize I have to go through that whole
process again on this phone.
Y you do it indexes every device
individually. Your index doesn't sync.
That's right.
Which i I heard I think it was Jason and Mike Curly talking about this on upgrade.
Like if you back up your phone,
if you get a new phone in September,
you're gonna have to go through this process.
But if you restore that from a backup,
there's no reason that that index should not be part of that backup of that device.
So if you f you're flashing the or if you do a device to device transfer.
I guess if maybe that should be the barrier.
I can understand why the index itself doesn't sync to the cloud.
But I don't understand why if you do a device to device transfer,
shouldn't it just write all the bits on this one to the new one?
It should. Listen,
You would think, but it's not going to.
You you're gonna have to reindex it.
send another email to your friends at Apple and tell them that that's
Sure. Sure.
the way it should work.
Okay, sure. did yours already update?
~ I'm I'm still I'm still updating over here.
yeah, I'm I'm I'm in I'm in.
I still got preparing updates,
so anyway.
if only you had faster internet,
Steven.
That's it that's the problem. ~ can I last thing before we take a quick break,
can I just say I had a guy come out to the house yesterday and he's gonna quote
me on running some more Ethernet.
And this ~ in the house and maybe out of the house.
In the house you're saying.
But
but you don't mean you're getting like a second internet line because this eight
gig up and down you have isn't fast enough.
No, I'm not getting second internet line.
But I might run Ethernet to my doorbell camera so I can have
the best doorbell camera connection ever.
Steven's gonna run Ethernet to his mailbox so that so that when the boat can
~ I sh I
should have asked him can I be honest?
Okay, last thing before we take a break.
We have a propane gas tank, okay?
And it run Well, hold on. We it runs our like
You don't need to run either into the gas tank,
Stephen. It's fine.
hot water heater thing and obviously like the stove and the fireplaces.
The propane gas goes to all those places.
There's no automation to know like what level the tank is at.
So I have to go out there like an animal.
And look at the physical meter to see how much gas is left and do I need
to order a refill. And it's only once every three-ish months,
but it's still like a thing I gotta check.
And if I forget to check it, we could be up a creek.
And there's been like one time where I forgot to check it long enough,
and it was like below 20%, and it was like,
yeah, hopefully, because sometimes a refill takes a couple weeks.
It's like, hopefully we'll be all right.
So, anyway, plus we get hurricanes,
it's nice to know that it's full if we have to run a generator.
I have had the thought of.
Can I put a Home Kit secure video camera inside the tank's cover so that
I can just open the camera and look at the meter and maybe even with Apple
Intelligence or something set up an automation to let me know when that needle falls
below a certain amount, but I've not figured that out yet.
And I didn't ask for a quote on Ethernet to put a gas tank.
But I think that if you apple cache some guy a bunch of money,
then he'll just stand there and he'll watch it for you.
It's like Task Rabbit for just for like my gas meter.
No, but wasn't that
what happened? Wasn't it a propane tank thing where you apple cash somebody
a bunch of money? And it
yeah, I did. And he brought me a f
fifty five gallon drum so I could burn boxes in it.
That's that's what I got.
I thought there was
a propane tank story that involved some shady Facebook marketplace propane tanking.
~
No, that was the fifty five gallon drum.
Was it okay. Okay.
That was fifty five gallon drum.
Yeah, Facebook
Marketplace like can I can I say I f I found this Instagram account.
Found. The algorithm served to me,
Ha ha ha.
which maybe it's highly targeted to me.
Apparently there's a guy that buys food on Facebook Marketplace and then reviews it.
A did not know that was a thing.
Buys food on Facebook Marketplace.
And so
here's how it goes. He pulls up to a shady neighborhood,
and just a random individual walks out to his car and hands him a bunch of bags.
And in the bags is food. And sometimes the food looks amazing.
Like it one time the dude in sh
Like this is
like these are people who are like homemade making tamales and churros or okay,
Correct, correct. There was and there
okay, okay.
was one time there was just a dude with sandals and jean shorts,
walked out and handed him a bunch of barbecue that he just grilled off
of his grill and apparently it was amazing.
And sometimes he gets food that I don't know,
I don't know if I would eat it.
But he is reviewing face apparently you can buy food on Facebook Marketplace.
But we are not recommending that you do that.
We do not recommend it. We are not recommending.
We're just stating the fact that it's a thing that can be done.
It is the thing that can be done.
And I was shocked and appalled.
Now, I listen,
I'm a l I'm a little disturbed.
I'm I'm still recovering.
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right, let's do a mini-ish lightning round because there's been
a bunch of announcements for events.
Samsung Unpacked is happening July 22nd.
We should see new Samsung Galaxy phones,
a new foldable, possibly a new foldable style.
And so the rumors are that it will not only fold like a book,
but this one might fold another way,
and it might be a larger type fold.
So
feel like you can only fold in two directions and they've already done both of them.
There's the flip and the fold.
I don't
Maybe it'll be what do you those like wish tellers or whatever?
Like the ~ you know the oragom?
An origami thing where you yeah.
Yeah, you do the one, two, three,
What do they call those things?
four thing. now now I need to look it up.
I can't remember.
What do you let's see, all right,
Google. What do you no, you know what?
Hold on. I'm I'm uploading to Iowa's beta seven.
Let me let me ask. Let's see if Siri AI will know.
What do you call the origami folding type thing where people either
use it to make decisions or make wishes?
No it's not. No it is not.
Yes it is.
The Orgamai folding toy used to make decisions or tell fortunes
is most commonly called a paper fortune teller or a cootie catcher.
It is also sometimes over.
The show's over. I've never heard that term in my life.
I don't like it. I did.
Did you go to public school? 'Cause that's what everyone called them.
I never heard that. in New York we did not call them that.
I'm just listening
I've never been happier that Siri said the words that I just whispered into
a microphone.
I cannot believe that
it said that. Okay. Well, sh I don't even know how to record.
Anyway, Galaxy Unpacked, July twenty second.
And then after that, Google announced their Pixel eleven event
is happening August eight it's happening in August.
What is it? August twelfth. So Pixel eleven,
August twelfth. Last year was the weird Jimmy Fallon event where he was like,
yeah.
you know what I mean? He like,
look at this phone, I could do all this stuff.
But anyway, ~ not
Rumors for like big changes, smaller bezels,
maybe a slightly better camera.
Not rumored to be big changes,
but new pixel phone. There you go.
Didn't you have a pixel fold fold?
Do you do you still have pixel fold?
I I've
had a Pixel Fold, I've had a Samsung fold.
I don't remember which one. It was like three or four.
~ and then the Pixel Fold I had much more recently than that.
Okay.
Yeah, that's what I
But I do send back my Android review units.
I send them back.
Just not your Apple review units.
That pause there is a critical pause.
I send them back.
I do send things back. I just sometimes it takes Yeah.
It's a each put a little upward inflection on that back.
Sometimes it just takes longer than others.
I send them back?
But I took the I I sent the iPhone seventeen Pro Max back as soon as
I started using the seventeen pro because it's like what am I gonna do with both
of these?
Exactly, exactly. ~ Netflix is gonna be doing short form video.
If you go to the app, you might see them now.
Netflix is trying all the things.
This is gonna be like s August third.
Netflix will be offering this content.
It'll be in the US, Canada, UK,
Ireland, Australia, New Zealand.
Things from like BuzzFeed and Vanity Fair's lie detector test,
which I've probably seen a bunch of reels and TikToks.
Of those clips, ~ you'll be able to see that on your T V,
I guess. But they really want you to just use the Netflix app on your phone.
So, you know, just put it right next to Instagram and TikTok.
You just do I want to scroll vertical videos?
Yeah. Netflix is the place I go for that.
I don't know. This is like a quibby situation.
It's not a quibby situation. What it is is a situation where Netflix
is seeing that the the key to creating more engagement and getting people
to spend more time on, especially now that they have ads.
The way you serve more ads is getting people to spend more time with their eyeballs
pointed at your app. And the way to do that is to have more content.
And at some point you reach a thing where like it's not productive
or cost effective for us to pay,
you know.
The people who make stranger things to make other shows.
What if we just had BuzzFeed load its money the load its stuff in?
Like you know what I mean? It's like it's like I don't think that that's what people
Right.
expect from Netflix. And so I don't think that this is a thing that's gonna last.
The most meta thing, not meta the company,
but just meta like the term, is if you're scrolling the vertical videos
on the Netflix app while you're not watching the Netflix content
in the background on your TV. That'll be that'll
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And at that point you might as well just open TikTok.
be re this That's the singularity right there.
I don't know, I don't know what happens if you do that.
Apple, they're gonna try and relieve some of this chip business.
Well, the first one is not necessarily RAM and storage,
but they're going to increase their spending with Broadcom.
To produce more chips in the US.
And this will be like the cellular connectivity or other wireless connectivity,
like the C1X or the N1 chips. They're gonna try and they want to make more chips
in the US, and they're investing in Broadcom to do that.
And alongside that, they're also testing DRAM chips from
a banned Chinese supplier, CXMT.
The Financial Times reported that Apple is investigating using them for RAM,
but only for devices in China.
So this wouldn't be for iPhones in the US,
but I think because it is actually banned.
Side note, my software update is about to install on my main iPhone.
I'm getting nervous now. so anyway,
the Apple's testing the DRAM for Chinese devices from CXMT.
They're doing everything they can to save money here.
That's the idea.
Yeah. I mean this we'll we'll see.
The the chip thing is interesting.
I do I found it really like this is one of those re it like in the press release
it says we're going to spend thirty billion dollars to make fifteen billion chips.
I'm like, the chips two dollars apiece.
Okay. Like I don't feel like we typically get component cost information from
That right. Right.
processes from Apple and it's gonna create a bunch of American jobs.
~ you know, the I don't know what this is replacing.
Like that's the piece of this I don't fully understand.
~ they want to produce billions more US chips,
but I think the implication from this when people think of chips is like,
you're making the seven. No, that's that's not what's happening here.
No. But I mean there's still out
They're not making that stuff.
there are still Apple devices that don't use the C one X and N one chips,
I don't think. Ma hey, maybe this means cellular MacBooks.
That would be nice. Probably not,
but it would be nice.
Do you think we're gonna
ever get them?
On an infinite time scale.
Okay. In the next five
years. I guess I realize I should put a little bit of a time.
You know what I'm gonna say yes.
I think within the next five years we'll finally get a C one X cellular chip
in a MacBook Air. I think we'll do it.
And do you think the reason we don't have one now is because
Tim Cook likes tethering and John Turnus is like this is dumb,
let's just put the chip in there?
Or that there's some other reason for it.
Mm.
Because hear me out. Based on this release,
Mm.
feels like these chips are not very expensive.
Like it doesn't seem like the reason we don't have them in max is because
Sure.
it would not be cost effective to put them in max.
Also
Well here's
here's my question. Does the iPhone seventeen
Pro Series use Apple's C one X chip?
Because I thought they were like slowly
I think the air
in the seventeen E, maybe, is that right?
Right. Like that's why that's what I'm like.
I think the let's make sure our own cellular connectivity chip is good.
I think that's why and also MM Wave,
for whatever reason, that was not in the C one X chip and so they might
be waiting till they can, you know,
support all of that. And so I think it's just the early days.
I think as it rolls out to all the devices,
like I imagine the iPhone eighteen and eighteen pro this fall.
We'll get whatever the latest Apple's cellular chip is.
Maybe it'll be like the C two X or something.
And then I could see like, all right,
once this is in all of our current cellular devices,
iPhones, iPads, which the iPad has the C one X chip,
then if you have a cellular version,
then I th I think they would they would move it to the MacBooks.
I think I think they'll do it within five years.
We'll see who's right.
So you think
that they just didn't w that is another argument because like
the patent whatever with Qualcomm you had to pay a percentage of the device cost
in a map did you see the current prices of MacBook Pros right now?
That is true. That is true. So I think yeah.
Like they just went up by a lot.
So that that is understandable.
I've come together.
The the Pro Series does have the N1 wireless networking chips,
they just don't have the cellular.
Right, exactly, exactly. So I think that's that's the thing.
Once it rolls out to the whole iPhone lineup,
then maybe I think within five years we might see it in the MacBook.
I th I could see that. All right.
We'll see. If we're we'll still be doing this podcast in five years.
I think the Neo already
We'll come back.
has a has an iPhone chip in it,
so maybe they could just make that one have
That is it literally does. Not this is the wireless chip,
but yeah, it does. Well it does never mind.
I don't know if the Neo has the N1 chip,
but it has the A19.
I don't know either, but it does definitely have an iPhone processor in it.
Yeah. this was fun. Pocketcast is constantly trying to woo me back because
now they've added first of all an entire liquid No.
Wait, you're not using pocket casts?
No, I've been using the Apple Podcast app.
We don't have time to talk about this today,
I've been using the Apple Podcast app.
but I did not know that.
One
It's because I mean Apple's been doing the video stuff,
and so I need to be in the Apple Podcast app a lot to like see all
the stuff is working. And the Apple Podcast app's pretty good.
It has the transcripts, it has the automated chapters for shows that
I would it's nice to have those chapters.
And the design of the Apple Podcast app is still one of the best.
Their up next queue is with the worst of all the apps,
and I've said that many times in many videos.
Also there are a cross device sync of where you're at and a podcast
is terrible compared to pocket c but it's still terrible.
It's gotten better it's gotten better.
I don't know if it's terrible though.
It's like okay, it went from horrible to bad to like
Like
It's it's that I'll agree to. It's mayor right now.
It's mayor.
But
~
It is so solid, it's annoying because the syncing playback and the up next
Yeah.
cue for PocketCast has always been like,
man, I really want to because I PocketCast was my default for many years.
And once Apple Podcast started some of the redesigns and such and the subscriptions,
like I moved back because I do have a couple paid subscriptions in there,
but it's not listen, there's a lot of things not great about it.
This is what I want. I want
What I want.
basically pocket casts, but I would appreciate all the video features from Maple
Podcasts. And then the single greatest podcast feature that any
Yes.
app has ever introduced is what Marco Arment did in Overcast,
where if you accidentally touch your screen and you hit the slider and
it jumps to some really ridiculous but you can go back.
Every podcast and listen,
You can go back. There's a go back.
it should be a law. Any podcast app that has a live activity.
Ha ha.
Is that what we call those things on the home screen?
A live activity? That has a should be required to implement that feature.
Yes, live activity.
Because the number of times you pull your phone out of your off
The put back feature.
the charging thing in your car,
you're holding it in your hand,
Yeah, it is.
you accidentally touch the screen,
and suddenly you went like 37 minutes into the future on pocket,
Yes.
there's a zero percent chance you know where you were.
You're never gonna get back to that spot.
It's true.
Jason is not typically for government oversight,
but when it comes to this, this should be this should be a lot.
This should be a law. At least Apple should make a law
I agree. That five features amazing.
that if you use this feature, you also have to include this.
Yeah.
Yes. So all that to say, Apple Podcasts up next queue.
And I've told people at Apple directly,
like, hey, you're up next queue.
You need to just rip what Pocketcast does because your Q is bad.
Like you can't move episodes from the continue playing to the queue.
And the Q will let you add the same episode eighteen times.
And then you might just hear the same episode start after you just finish it.
Like it's it's bad.
But I still I stick with the guy like the design,
I like the automated chapters,
but Pocket Cass now it has a complete liquid glass redesign,
and they've now brought chapter artwork everywhere.
There's chapter artwork on CarPlay,
chapter artwork will show in the control center,
which I don't think even Apple Podcast does that.
You have to go into the app to see the the chapter artwork,
and so it's ~ it's gotten really good,
and now I'm like, maybe I need to.
Maybe. So anyway. Pocket cast.
It's a great app. And I might try it again.
We'll see. We'll see. You you you use Pocket Cast still?
I do and I only have one complaint,
which is that the widget, at least the small widget,
sometimes you tap the play thing and it changes to look like it's playing
and literally nothing happens.
And then you tap it again and it says pause and then it starts playing,
but it says pa like there's some weird disconnect there.
Well,
I could tell you Apple Podcast widget does the exact same thing.
Okay. So it's a podcast widget problem.
'Cause I have the pockets widget.
I think it's a widget play button issue.
~ it's not not pocket cast. Yeah.
Okay. It's super weird. It's like you have to like prime
it a little bit and you're like,
I'm about to play something, so I'm pushing the button and then it's like,
You gotta warm it up. You gotta warm it up.
okay, I'm ready. And then you push it again,
it's like, I'm here, here we go.
But it flips the wrong switch and like the eye the interface doesn't match what's
Yes.
actually happening. Yeah, it's like what what's going on?
It's like the inside out emotions.
They're all pulling the levers like,
Wait, do we play it? Do we pause?
What does he want?
I don't know, just make some sound.
He'll play something. Just skip forward thirty minutes.
He'll love that.
That actually
happens sometimes too, where I will go into the pocket cast and I will
p tap a episode and it starts playing,
but the widget hasn't refreshed.
So then if I go and I'm like, I need to pause it,
I don't realize the widget hasn't refreshed.
So when I tap the the icon, it actually starts playing whatever podcast
is still in the widget interface.
It's like, No, no, no, I didn't want anything to be happening right now.
I wanted to stop and it's like you not only did you not do that,
Right.
you switched to playing something else.
Yes.
Yeah, it it is it is weird. Fix the widgets.
So widgets, fix the widgets, people.
~ Claude has now put cowork on mobile.
So you can now run Claude Cowork tasks from your iPhone or Android device
and it's moving Claude cowork tasks to the cloud,
which my other co-host, David Sparks,
has some questions about and some concerns because he has a lot of cowork tasks
and he likes running them locally on his Mac.
And now it seems like cowork tasks will run in the cloud by default.
Which means your stuff is just going to the cloud immediately.
I'm curious how that will work with tasks that have to do with your local files,
obviously. Because the claw Claude is saying you could start a cowork task,
close your laptop lid, and it will keep going because it's in the cloud
and not your laptop. But if you ask Claude Cowork to rename a thousand files
in a folder, I imagine it's gonna stop when you close your laptop lid.
So it's uncle It better that's true.
It better stop when you close your laptop
It better stop. So unclear.
They also moved co work into the chat.
And I've been hearing John Gruber and Ben Thompson complain about
the Claude app every day, every dithering episode I seen it seems like
for the last three weeks. I'm not that mad about the Mac Claude app.
I think it's fine. Do you are you mad at the Claude app that it's like Electron
or whatever?
I'm not mad at it, except I'm super not I don't appreciate that what
Sure.
you just described, that they moved cowork to the chat interface.
I they should not have done that.
I know why they did that. They are trying to get people who have no idea what
Yes.
the word cowork means to start using co-work for whatever reason,
Yes.
but I think that it was it's a bad it's bad because it's just bad because there
is three different things that you might do with the Claude app.
They are distinct. Chat, cowork,
code.
I know.
Those three things should have remained separate.
I don't like the fact that they h that they moved it there.
In fact, the other day when the update happened,
I'm like s I spent a significant amount of time trying to figure out where
did why are my cowork things I have like four of them that run on a regular basis.
Why are they suddenly in with my chats?
Yeah. Yes. If
What's going on here? Yeah.
you're not I'm gonna show it right here.
If you've not updated your Claude Mac app yet,
now in the top left corner there's home and code.
Those it used to be home or it used to be chat,
You say chat. Yeah.
cowork, code. Now it's just the two tabs there and it's in the chat window
on the right where it says you can switch between chat and cowork.
I don't I don't care for that,
I don't think.
No, I don't at all. I don't like it.
I I I think it's yeah. So that is not a function of why the their reason
for the app is like there's a couple things.
It's an electron app, so really you're just looking at the same thing
you could see in Chrome. Except for I don't think on the online like if
you you open claude.ai in the br in Chrome,
Browser. Cowork. Well,
you cannot use clo claud code,
right? Sure.
you can't use cowork, I don't think to like rename your files either.
So, you know, all that.
Right. So there's that part of it.
There's definitely some benefits to it,
but it doesn't do a lot of the things that you would expect a native Mac app to do.
It doesn't bother me a ton, but the one thing I wish it was capable
of doing is the thing the Chad GPT app does.
And they talked about this in the latest episode of Dithering,
which is if I have Chad GPT open and I switch over to a notes app,
to the notes app, for example,
Right.
which I don't use because I use context.
But if you switch over to the notes app and then you switch back to chat GPT,
it'll say, Do you want me to connect to Apple Notes?
It looks like you're doing something over there.
And if you do that, you can have a chat that uses that content.
You can have it if if you update that note,
it stays connected. And you cannot do that with CloudApp.
No, but I also didn't use that with Chat GPT either,
so no. Okay.
really? I've done that a lot. Yeah,
I've done it a lot of times. 'Cause it's it's it's
it's great. I mean, I wish that they would incorporate that into the cloud app.
The problem is I don't think that they can with an electron app.
And secondly, I don't think that they can because they just moved all
the stuff it's doing to the cloud,
not local.
Right. We yeah. So I don't it I don't my cowork tasks,
I don't think it'll affect me too much,
but I will have to follow up with David because he was having
an existential crisis the other day.
here we go. My iPhone is now on iOS twenty seven beta three,
my twenty seven my seventeen pro Max.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little nervous,
Jason. I may already regret doing this.
And I I don't know, we'll see.
Already?
We'll see how many devices say not responding in the home app and then I'll I'll
pass judgment.
All devices no devices are responding.
I did want to try Siri AI on the watch,
which is now there in the beta three.
So I will be I think I'm gonna update my watch to beta three as well.
Are you gonna do that? Yeah,
Sure, want me to do it now? Hey Siri,
we'll do it right now. All right,
update to beta three.
last thing before I talk about the meta glasses.
I'm not
sure what you're trying to edit.
That's what it just told me. Okay.
good.
Anyway.
Yeah. Well, it's on the watch.
It's not smart Siri yet. OpenAI also released new voice models,
Not at all.
more nat like better natural conversations.
It can listen and talk at the same time,
which that's kind of impressive.
It also feels like these AI companies understand that Siri AI is coming
and they are trying to make their voice products and assistance as good as possible.
And yeah, so there's that. The the ad for this was interesting.
It was like
These elderly ladies and it was like new voice chat and all this kind of stuff.
I thought that was interesting.
But anyway, I've not listened to it,
so have you heard it? Like have you listened to it?
No.
I'm not really using the ChatGPT app for a lot anymore.
I mean, I'm mostly just using the Claude app.
really?
Four former sponsor, they didn't pay me to say that.
I pay for Claude Max, like all that stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I'm just that's just mostly what I'm using.
There are a couple things that I do open the Chat GPT app for,
and it's basically b if I want to do something that is an extension
of a previous conversation I've already had in
Chat GPT, I know you could there are ways you can get all that information
Right.
and put it into Cloud, that's fine,
but you know what's easier? Just asking the Chat GPT app a question.
Sure,
sure. Okay, well now my my iPhone seventeen Pro Max is optimizing.
Search and see it is indexing all the things.
Yeah.
My iPhone is gonna be one thousand degrees for the next
Mine is pretty
warm right now. I'm gonna set it on my desk and I put my cup of coffee on
top of it so it'll reheat the coffee.
I was gonna say to cool down the iPhone.
~ reheat the coffee. All right.
No, to reheat the coffee.
I want to talk about meta glasses.
~ these are the meta fury glasses.
My the social media reactions are very polarized.
People have strong feelings.
Do you think that's why they named it Fury?
That'd be good. That'd be good.
People a someone asked on Mastodon,
rightfully so, they were like,
You guys on the podcast talk so much about how Meta is a bad company,
and then you went and bought their glasses.
Now, I understand that might be seemingly contradictory,
but we talked a lot of crap about humane.
And I still bought that stupid pin because new technology,
I c I think it is my job or part of my job,
to like test these things and understand how they work.
And can this even be useful?
And when it comes to smart glasses,
I had not personally tried them.
I don't consider the Vision Pro in the smart glasses category.
I got to try multiple smart glasses at CES,
Even Realities, the MIMO from ~ Zo Jimmy.
I tried their smart glasses. And these,
I feel like meta of any smart glasses that you can buy today are the farthest along.
And if you believe all the rumors,
it seems like Apple is investigating and likely getting into this.
category sometime soon in the near future.
And so I wanted to know are these actually useful?
Do anybody care? And what would it be like if Apple were to make glasses like these?
And so that was my purpose for getting these and wanting to try them and see like,
is this is this a thing? ~ do you have any any commentary
on like that contradiction?
What I want to say though is to clarify,
and I'm not throwing Steven under the bus here.
Just I wanna clarify that before I clarify it.
Okay.
The I'm just sort of extrapolating on the comment you referred to.
I don't know the person. I didn't read the comment.
I have no idea, but just based on what you said,
we ragged on humane because the thing they made was stupid and didn't
do the thing they said that it would do.
Okay. And you bought it.
But it's so you could talk about how dumb it was and didn't do the thing that
it promised to do. That is different than when we talk about meta.
We don't think of meta's products as being dumb,
we think of them as being malicious.
And so there is a different distinction there.
It's like, well then why would you give them money for a product?
I think I agree with everything you said about it.
I just I don't know that it's
that wasn't necessarily the right comparison to make because like saying,
Okay, sure.
Okay, well, I bought humane's AI pen,
even though we make fun of that.
Yeah, we make fun of that because it just didn't do what they promised.
And the people talking about it sounded like they'd invented Jesus.
And really what they gave you is like a paperweight.
Like to stop working. So there's that.
Sure. Yeah, that's fair. That is fair.
I wanted to say that now, I also think that it is possible to hold
two contradictory ideas in your head at the same time.
No human beings have this capability.
Well, they're suppos they they're supposed to have that capability.
Ideally.
The internet
makes people lose that capability entirely.
I learned this experience talking to people in Europe about the
US men's national team t because of the whole thing that happened ~ last week.
Yes.
But ~ so I and when I say militia,
when I say meta is malicious, that's probably not entirely fair.
I don't think that they intend to be that.
I just think they are laser focused on the thing that they they want,
which is like engagement be because again,
they're an advertising business,
right?
And so it is hard to square that with,
Well then why would you wear around glasses that have cameras that
are pointed at people with meta?
And when I do my video this weekend,
this is kind of like my warm up,
because I I've filmed a bunch of stuff.
I've been using them for the last couple weeks.
I'm gonna make a YouTube video about it,
but I kind of wanted this conversation to help me solidify my thoughts
and also hear like your questions because are you yeah have you used like
I know you use the ~ Google device red.
I used the Google Pro the Gemini ones,
XR glasses,
last year at IO.
And these are different because there's no screen in these glasses.
These are not the meta displays.
So this is just speakers, microphone,
built-in AI, and the cameras. And a distinction from like Mimo
and the Even Realities glasses,
a lot of those quote unquote AR glasses don't have cameras.
And they advertise themselves as like that's the selling feature.
Like we don't have cameras in our glasses.
That's why you should use us. But what I have discovered.
In the last couple of weeks, having a camera and being able to ask
an AI chatbot about what in front of you without ever hold like having
to think about pointing a camera or getting at your phone,
there are moments where it is really cool and useful.
And it is the hardest double-edged sword because it also means you have
a camera on your face all the time.
And that is weird and awkward.
And I'll
Describe a couple scenarios where it really comes into play.
But the first outing I did with them was July 4th.
we went to Lakeland. They have a great fireworks show,
and I was wearing the glasses,
and I took a bunch of pictures.
And, you know, one, pictures and video on the meta glasses are vertical
by default and you can change it,
which kind of sucks because I was really hoping to use these as like
B roll for videos when I review devices,
like maybe for the iPhone 18 video.
I can record with these and like get first person perspectives really easily without
having to set up a camera in a weird angle.
I don't think that's gonna be possible because I would have to zoom,
I would have to crop it really bad.
Like everything's vertical, you can't change it.
But for the vertical videos, like they actually look pretty good.
And when the fireworks began, now we could talk about should
you even record fireworks? Because who watches fireworks videos back later?
Sure. But
Except that if you hadn't been recording then we wouldn't have the video from
Exactly.
was it Memphis where all of or San Diego or wherever it was where they
all went off at the exact same time?
That
right, exactly. So I,
you know, I'm always tempted to take video and photos of the fireworks.
I don't know why. Sometimes we do look back just to see kind of like
us at the fireworks, you know what I mean?
It's like, this was anyway. It was kind of nice to be able to record
the entire fireworks show and not think about it.
I was able to look at it with my eyeballs,
not think about where I was pointing my camera,
and just capture the fireworks show.
From the glasses. That was kinda cool.
And whether we ever watch this video again or not,
I'm showing it now, so maybe it was useful.
Like the idea of capturing a moment,
but also being present in the moment,
because you're not watching it through your iPhone screen,
is kind of nice. And so there are several situations where it's like,
okay, I get that appeal. And that's part of the double-edged sword.
Other side note, five minute maximum,
and then it stops recording video.
So there is like
weird limits to it and transferring stuff to the glasses is a pain
in the butt because you have to go to the meta AI app.
You have to connect to the glasses Wi-Fi network and then it will slowly transfer
your photos and videos to your phone.
All of that stinks. Like it's not a fun process.
Keep that in mind. Second outing I went to a grocery store and I wanted
to just see like what is it like,
you know, talking to it, asking it and you can ask meta AI questions like what's
the weather?
Is it gonna rain? And it does pretty well at answering all that general knowledge
stuff. But then there was a moment where I immediately regretted having wearing
them, which was I had to use the restroom.
And I didn't think about it at first.
I just walked into the restroom,
and then I immediately realized I have a camera on my face,
and I just walked into the restroom.
And I have vision,
it's not so bad that.
Like I could take I can take the glasses off and still see the world around like
I can function. I'd still use the bathroom.
And still use the bathroom is what you're saying.
My wife's vision is such that she could not.
If she takes her glasses off, she cannot function.
Like she cannot see what's around her unless she's very,
very close. And so I immediately realized,
like, I don't like this. I don't like this feeling.
And no one was in the bathroom at the time.
And as I after I washed my hands and I was leaving,
someone walked in.
But but I had the thought, like if someone had walked into the bathroom,
like if this was a crowded restroom,
like a sporting event or a concert,
if someone knew the glasses I had on my face and realized I was in the bathroom,
like that would feel really icky.
And I don't like that at all. And I don't know how to square that circle.
Like, how could you make a privacy first device that has a camera
on your face, but then also use it in maybe sensitive situations where it's really
awkward to have a camera on your face?
I don't know how to solve that problem.
I don't know if I you know, there's so many rumors about AirPods with a camera,
which will get like I always thought that rumor was silly,
and now I understand why. But I don't know how you square that circle either.
If you wore AirPods with a camera and people understood that those were
the models that have a camera in them,
that would feel really weird in a bathroom.
I'm just throwing that out there.
So anyway, go ahead.
Sure. Also though,
AirPods are a little easier to take out of your ears to go to the bathroom than
the glasses on your face.
Good point. Very true.
So then I took them yesterday to a couple other places.
I went to Oxford Exchange in Tampa,
which is a great it has like a bookstore,
it has all this kind stuff. And I went to Armature Works,
which is like a food hall. It's really cool and fun to ask it to identify things
and just ask it questions about what I'm looking at.
And the accessibility ramification or implications are incredible.
If someone was visually impaired,
and obviously
Pointing a camera when you're visually impaired at something to
ask what you're looking at could be problematic.
Like you can assume, and I'm sure people like will have an idea.
Like I'm pointing the camera this way,
it's fine. But when it's on your face,
you can know that like wherever you're facing,
that's what the camera is seeing.
And so I stood in front of a cafe and I asked it,
what's on the espresso menu? And the glasses can just tell me.
It said you had there's a flat white,
there's a latte, and it tell the cost for each.
I stood in front of a book display and I said
What are some like recommend some books from all of this display?
And it was able to point out, well,
here's this book if you're interested in adventure.
Here's this book. It's a great nonfiction.
And it could just talk to me about what I'm looking at.
And that felt like the future.
That felt like minority report style.
Like I can just ask it questions about what I'm looking at.
So identifying things, the accessibility ramifications,
like all of that is great.
And I understood why having a camera pointed where your eyeballs point could
be really beneficial. A couple just nitpicks.
The speakers on the glasses are good,
but not great. And so in noisy environments like when I was in the food hall,
it's hard to hear it. And as far as I can tell,
you can't like pair Bluetooth headphones with the glasses.
The glasses act as headphones to other devices.
So I can listen to a podcast because I'm my phone is connected
and it's playing audio through the glasses,
and you can raise the volume all the way up.
But it's hard to hear in very noisy environments.
No option for like pairing headphones with them.
So that was kind of ~ Funny side note,
I really want to know how much they paid Judy Dench and Kristen Bell
to be voices for the meta AI glasses.
Because there is a menu where you can choose for meta AI voice to be Judy Dench.
And if I I always change my voice assistance to have a British accent,
so I feel like 007.
And you could not get any further down that road than literally having
~ talking to you in your glasses.
I mean that's dame Judy Dench to you,
sir.
Sorry, Dame Judy, excuse me, Dame Judy Dinch.
You can literally choose her as a voice for the glasses.
I so want to know how much she had to get paid for that.
Because she would have had to train her voice on it,
because it has to say all kinds of things.
So anyway, there's that. And lastly,
I'll just say, after using these for a while,
like one of the things I did was I held a book up and I said,
Hey, tell me about this book. And it was actually an Issi Miyake book.
It was the author. It was like a design book.
And I said, Hey, can you find this book on Amazon and add it as a reminder
to get later?
And was like, sure, I can do that.
Now in the meta AI app, there's a reminder section and that's where it has to go.
So it's in my meta which
Yeah. That's a
th there's there's there's a problem that you're like you're sort
of like getting around okay. Okay.
I'm gonna I'm getting there. I'm gonna get there.
I'm gonna get I'm going there next.
Also, it said, yeah, I got it,
no problem. Added it to your reminders.
And the reminder is actually like Isimiyake book on Amazon.
It didn't actually get the Amazon link and put in the reminders.
It just told me to look it up on Amazon.
So all of those cool use cases aside,
it is obvious that something like this will near not be anywhere near
as useful unless it's made by Apple first or Google.
Or Google, but yes, yes.
Because
I want that reminder to go to my reminders app.
And as I was driving away from my house one day,
I was like, ~ I'll ask my glasses to close my garage door.
No, it doesn't have access to your Apple home.
It can't do that. Nor can I get my messages.
I think you can get some message notifications on the glasses,
but it's not like first party.
But all of the use cases, I realized,
okay, if these were Apple glasses and it was integrated with my messages,
my notifications, I could control my smart home.
I could ask Siri AI, all the amazing Siri AI things that that can do.
These would be so cool. It would be really,
really cool. I don't know how to solve the you have a camera on your face problem,
but there's a lot of use cases where I see the promise and I understand
why these have been the only like AI glasses that have been anywhere near
as successful. And I will give Meta a little bit of credit because there
was a news article that came out where
If you try to tamper with the light,
because whenever you take a picture,
a little LED light flashes, and as you're recording video,
the light will pulse. And people were doing nefarious things trying
to disable that light, trying to cover it up.
And Meta is pushing a software update where if you try to mess with that light,
the camera will get bricked. So if you try to remove the light,
if you try to disable the light,
the camera's just going to be disabled from the glasses entirely.
And so
Well all the thing all the negative things we can say about Meta,
at least they are trying to do something there.
We're disabling the light to record will have ramifications and won't
let you use the camera. But all that to be said,
you still have a camera on your face,
and I don't know how that can not be awkward.
Well also s l the cynical take is Meta's not doing that because they think it's
the right thing to do. They're doing that because they don't want the stories
of the nefarious use cases that would happen if they dis people are able
to disable the light. They that like that's reputational protection.
It's not it's not like altruism.
But also like this is the thing that I've always thought
Fair. That is totally fair.
I think meta has done the most
To sort of flesh out and prove the concept that glasses could be a form factor that
have a use. But metas will just never be that use for two reasons.
People don't trust meta. Everything you just did involved meta AI,
not Siri, not ChatGPT, not Cloud,
not any of the places that you may have already built up a library
of context that would be useful,
or your personal information.
And you're now sending all that information to Meta.
It's like, remember that espresso shop that you looked at?
Hey, you're on Instagram. Here's an ad.
Did you know they have delivery and they'll just send you beans to your house?
yeah.
Like, this is that's what's gonna happen.
That's the only way this makes any sense because and I'm not suggesting that
Yeah. Yeah.
I that's why I said Google. I don't think Apple's the only company that can do this.
Google could do this. But Meta has no like no one uses a calendar from Meta.
No one I mean, they do have WhatsApp.
Right.
They so they do have WhatsApp,
Sure.
they do have a messaging product,
but like any pair of Bluetooth earbuds theoretically can read your messages to you.
Right? Like that's so I'm saying that's that's fine.
Yeah, and they do. They do.
That's like not significant. But what Meta's AI cannot do is answer the question,
what time did my mom say she was coming over?
Right? Like it's not in meta AI unless it's in WhatsApp.
So like I in a ma in the US at least,
I mean everywhere I travel overseas,
we only use Mot WhatsApp.
Yeah, what's happening?
But everywhere
in the US, like there are some people who use WhatsApp,
but like if you're under the age of twenty-seven,
you're using Snapchat. If you're over the age of twenty-seven,
you're using something iMessage or whatever.
Right.
So I don't know. I think I'm glad that they are trying to flesh this
out and they are shipping products that don't have that end use case because they
have to get them out there. Whereas Apple can afford to be a little slower because
once they get it right.
yeah.
It will be like panacea, it'll just have everything.
And that the thing, like if somehow Apple could make glasses like this that have
the benefits of being able to see what you see in some privacy and security.
I have no idea how it would be possible because to see what you see,
there has to be a lens of a camera somewhere on the device.
And it's going to see the world around you.
I don't know how it's possible,
but man. And the AirPods with a camera,
like you were saying, that would be easier to like put away.
And also, if you don't wear glasses already,
someone might not be inclined to want to wear glasses.
You know, I think AirPods, whether you wear glasses,
hats, whatever it is, like everyone will use AirPods because
the convenience factor and the benefits are just so high.
Like, I'll put these things in my ear.
Glasses, it's a harder sell. Someone doesn't wear glasses,
like people LASIK surgery, so they don't to wear glasses.
Like to put it back on, you know,
it is a cost. And to your point about meta,
like the nefarious side, this is the Verge article.
Meta is also working on glasses that would be recording all the time.
Calling super sensing. Always aware smart glasses that's recording audio
and snapping photos every few seconds.
And this is like that's an end game of like,
no, I would not wear those glasses.
I wouldn't even try them for a video.
I don't want something recording all the time.
Because then it's like, what if I have to use a bathroom in my own house
and I'm wearing the glasses? I don't want that.
Right.
I don't want that being sent to Meta.
And as I've been wearing these the last two weeks,
I just resolved to think I have no privacy when I'm wearing these glasses.
Zero. Like
And neither does anyone around you,
which means that if Meta introduces glasses that are recording all the time
and you put them on your face,
someone's gonna punch you.
Right. And in my experience at the grocery store,
Fourth of July, going to the food hall and a couple places,
not one person pointed them out.
Not one person said, Hey, are those the metaglasses?
~ now there weren't like tons of people around.
You know, if I was at a concert or a sport,
maybe maybe someone would recognize them,
but not one person said anything.
I had a couple looks where it was like maybe they did a double take
and they were kinda like, What what kind of glasses are those?
But
But no one ever said anything or or whatever.
But I don't I don't know.
This is always the question now when I get to like the end of my review
and I make the video. Do I keep the thing?
Do I keep these for the future?
And I'm the I have until August 1st to return them.
And I could get my four hundred dollars back,
which is very tempting. But I'm also like,
you know, maybe there are some events where I would love to just be able
to record a video and not hold a phone.
And just be there for the event.
And I already wear glasses. And my kids thought they were the coolest thing because
I have like photos of my travels.
And they will go up to the photo and be where was this photo taken?
And the glasses would say, This was taken in Amsterdam along this.
And this was the cathedral in the background.
And like, that's kind of cool that it can do that.
But I will also be very selective about wearing,
like, I would not wear these all the time.
Hey, they're not as comfortable as my Warby Parker's,
~ because they're heavier, they're big.
and they slide down more often.
So I would not wear them all the time for comfort.
I also just don't want them on my face for times when I might have to
use a public restroom. And so but for some situations maybe I would.
Maybe like July 4th, like I go out and do it for I don't know,
go someplace over the holidays and we see Christmas lights and I don't have
to think about taking my phone out to record.
I don't know. That's that's the internal struggle I have now.
But they're they're very interesting technology.
Very clear where a humane AI pin had almost no value
as a product and no one should buy it or use it.
These I understand what the value is.
And for accessibility especially,
totally get it. Like this could be game changing for somebody.
Cause I even asked it like, what's on my desk?
And it does a very good job of describing everything on the desk.
And so just being able to do that quickly and easily like and yes,
your iPhone does that. Apple had a whole video about accessibility talking about
it in iOS 27. There's going to be even more features.
Your iPhone can do all of this stuff,
but you have to get it. You have to unlock it.
You have to be in the right mode if you're not accustomed to using those kinds
of features. And just being able to be like,
hey Meta, do this. And it's the device is already on my face and on.
I could I see the value there.
There is some value.
I mean you also
have to be stricken with amnesia to look at your desk and not know what
the stuff is.
No, but for accessibility, Jason,
if you you know, if someone is visually impaired and they need to know like,
yes, obviously you've probably set up your life in a way that is conducive
to to that.
I guess my point
was like that is a gimmick. It's a cool party trick to be like,
I look, I can just look at all this stuff.
But but in a real world use case,
looking at your desk is not the thing,
obviously. And I you weren't specifically only saying that,
No. Right.
but I'm just saying like they these are products that are designed with finite
borders that the real use case is somewhere beyond that,
and we don't know what that is yet.
Sure, but I also see like if I walk up to a food truck and I'm visually impaired,
I want to say, Hey, what's on the menu?
That's useful. Like
Yeah, I'm trying to be really careful because I think there's a point
at which being visually impaired with a pair of glasses that would the again,
I'm not I ~ it's hard to define where that edge case is because my initial thing
was like you again, I'm sort of ignorant of this,
but like are is that a you isn't there how is that problem being solved
now that this would solve better?
If I'm visually impaired and I walk up to a food truck
You're right. How do you know where to look to like?
How did I get there? And I did
not just like what I not just talk to like I'm not saying that you're wrong.
I'm saying that sounds like a very oversimplified,
like, this is really cool. And I'm thinking,
like, how is that problem currently being solved that this would do better?
And I'm not saying the answer's zero.
I just don't know exactly what that is yet.
And that's and that's fair. ~ you know,
I th if you were handed a menu at a restaurant,
you know, something like that.
Sure. Yeah, I did
And
that a lot. I for for a year I would look at menus and every time I had
a menu I'd take a photograph of the menu and I'd Chat DPT,
Right. For sure. And
what can I eat off of this?
and I did mention, you know, this also does translation.
So if you were given a menu in another language,
you could say, hey, translate this for me,
and it could do it. So all of that to say,
there I think there is more than zero value here.
It is still a long way off. Like and the privacy and security implication is,
I think, even the biggest challenge.
And I hope Apple figures it out.
Yeah, I just think that they will really be a successful product when someone
who has all your data already and I don't just mean your browsing history.
I mean like your calendar, your email,
your messages, like your photos.
That I mean you can't even take photos and have them just show up
in your photo line.
yeah, and that that's the other huge thing.
It's like if it was an Apple glasses,
I could just take a photo and it would sync to my iPhone immediately.
Yes.
And so all of that, which is I now I like this is why Zuckerberg hates Apple.
He's ticked because he can't do that.
And he doesn't have a device that does it either.
So anyway, I want to make a video about it.
If you have questions, hit me up on social media,
you know, or just email me 'cause I can do in the video.
I'm recording the video tomorrow,
as you listen to this. So if you listen to it on the day it comes out.
But Jason, I need you to tell me about something real quick for personal tick.
You were on a flight and you saw a gentleman with three iPads.
How did what what how?
Yeah,
well, okay, so I was on a very long flight.
Well, I mean it's not the longest flight,
but I was flying f back from Heathrow to Detroit and I I was sitting
on the aisle of the center section and in the aisle of the section against
the right side there was a gentleman and I presume his wife and
the gentleman when we when we got on the plane was just reading something
on an iPad mini.
Probably with lots of people do that on planes.
Although I don't see as many iPad minis on planes,
just to be fair. So he's reading an iPad mini.
Yeah.
I was like, whatever. Okay, great,
cool. And then a little bit later in the flight,
he pulls out an iPad Pro, an eleven inch iPad Pro,
and starts watching a movie. I was like,
Bro is traveling with two iPads.
Okay. I was like, this that's impressive.
Double fisting iPads, that's yeah.
He's got two different iPads. And I mean iPad mini doesn't have have a
Huge battery life, but you could easily make it through an eight hour flight with
an iPad mini, especially if what you started to do is read,
Yeah, probably.
and second thing you're gonna do is play video that you've already downloaded
because like they're optimized for that.
Apple uses that as the measure of like our battery life.
So like you could have got there's just no question.
Right, exactly.
And then later on, after the meal,
I look over and he is finger pecking typing on a 12,
or I mean on a 13, a 12.9 inch iPad Pro or
13, whatever it is. So, like the I the 11 inch iPad Pro was sitting
in a magic keyboard, and all he was doing is watching a video.
And then he pulls out the 13 inch iPad and he's literally doing this.
And I think he he was like doing work because he also had some papers
Sure, sure.
out that looked like research.
I don't know. You know how you're on a plane.
You want to know enough about what's happening over there without actually looking
Yeah, yeah.
Sure. Yeah, I get it.
like you're trying to figure out what's happening over there.
So within four and a half hours,
he had pulled out three different iPads,
a mini.
Incredible.
And two different iPad pros. And so I posted about it and a lot of people thought
it was insanity. Which it is. And Samson had actually responded and they're like,
I we need to understand why is this happening.
I was like, I guess I should ask.
So I asked. And he said, I prefer the size of the mini for reading,
which true. Like that's for sure the truth.
Sure, sure.
And the screen is so nice on the eleven inch.
So that's what I watch movies on.
But it's not big enough to do work.
Ha ha.
So I carry this quote, big one for doing real work.
I'm like, but the eleven inches the one that had the magic keyboard.
Amazing. Amazing.
I don't get it. And the and the the thirteen inches had a had a smart folio.
Right. One if you have
Like just
When if you have the same year eleven and thirteen inch pro,
it's the same display. That's what I'm saying.
Right. Yeah, so you could just watch the movies on the thirteen inch.
Like the big screens is great even better for movies because it's bigger.
I didn't think about that question.
But also like there were years where the eleven and thirteen inch
had different screens where only that's what I'm saying.
Well, but the thirteen inch usually had a better screen.
So he
would have had to have like several year old thirteen inch iPad Pro.
I mean, maybe it was an A twelve Bionic or something I in that thing.
True. That's true.
It's for the eleven inch to have had a better screen.
That's a possibility that I did not consider.
And if you did have that old of one,
you wouldn't have a magic keyboard either.
Fair. Well, magic keyboard's been around for a while.
So yeah,
but I don't think the original well no,
you're right. The original one does have the non series twelve point nine inch does
The twenty eighteen. Yeah.
have a magic keyboard you can get for it.
Yeah. Yeah. Mm.
I don't know.
That's amazing. Did you get his name?
His first name?
No,
but then he pulled on an Android phone and I just about lost it.
No you did no he did not.
Yeah, I told you that, didn't I?
I'm pretty sure I texted you that that he started finger pipe t finger typing,
yeah, you do you texted me that you texted me that
one finger pecking on an Android device.
It looked like some kind of super large mid-range one plus thing or something.
That
I don't know.
That is an incredible that is incredible.
I know. I I
He's my hero. He's my hero.
I think I told you I was like if the guy pulls out a kindle kindle I'm gonna have
to buy him a drink.
that it that is amazing. Three iPads.
Listen, I was yeah, I mean, I understand a two iPad lifestyle.
Like if you want like a thirteen inch and a mini,
but to have all three sizes, that's something.
I mean I
have an eleven inch and a mini in the but I mean I don't take them both on a plane.
In fact the eleven inch basically sits in my room and I just read
That's that's
on it occasionally.
If he would have pulled out a Vision Pro,
sh should have just jumped out of the plane.
If the guy
had pulled out a Vision Pro, I would have found an award for him.
question
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