1 00:00:00,140 --> 00:00:02,870 Carol Cox: We're diving into how to tackle a big and I 2 00:00:02,870 --> 00:00:04,940 mean big global issue in your thought 3 00:00:04,940 --> 00:00:07,250 leadership and talks with my guest thought 4 00:00:07,250 --> 00:00:08,630 leader Academy grad Dr. 5 00:00:08,630 --> 00:00:11,270 Neha Pathak on this episode of the Speaking 6 00:00:11,270 --> 00:00:12,530 Your Brand podcast. 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,970 More and more women are making an impact by 8 00:00:19,970 --> 00:00:22,700 starting businesses, running for office and 9 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:24,680 speaking up for what matters. 10 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:26,960 With my background as a TV political 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,810 analyst, entrepreneur and speaker, I 12 00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:32,300 interview and coach purpose driven women to 13 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:34,790 shape their brands, grow their companies, 14 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:37,430 and become recognized as influencers in 15 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:40,790 their field. This is speaking your brand, 16 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:43,280 your place to learn how to persuasively 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,900 communicate your message to your audience. 18 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:49,070 Hi and welcome to the Speaking Your Brand 19 00:00:49,070 --> 00:00:51,140 podcast. I'm your host, Carol Cox. 20 00:00:51,170 --> 00:00:54,380 If you have ever felt that your topic seems 21 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:56,840 overwhelming to your audience, or that the 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,550 issue that you want to talk about, or the 23 00:00:58,550 --> 00:01:00,530 thought leadership message that you want to 24 00:01:00,530 --> 00:01:03,320 share is just it's like a really big issue, 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,240 and you're not sure how your audience is 26 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,250 going to relate to it. Or your audience may 27 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:08,630 think like, what can I do about it? 28 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:11,450 Well, keep listening, because in my 29 00:01:11,450 --> 00:01:13,040 conversation with one of our thought leader 30 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,330 Academy graduates, Dr. 31 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:16,820 Neha Pathak, this is exactly what we talk 32 00:01:16,820 --> 00:01:19,730 about. Neha is a primary care physician. 33 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:23,060 She's also lead medical editor at WebMD and 34 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:25,340 host of their fantastic podcast called 35 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:26,390 Health Discovered. 36 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:28,730 She's a graduate of Harvard University as 37 00:01:28,730 --> 00:01:30,860 well as Weill Medical College of Cornell 38 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:33,560 University. She currently lives in Atlanta, 39 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,290 Georgia. You may be surprised with this big 40 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:38,630 global issue is that Neha has decided to 41 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:41,360 focus on in her writings and in her talks, 42 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,470 and we're going to get into that. 43 00:01:42,470 --> 00:01:43,910 We also talk about the power of 44 00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:46,610 storytelling. No matter what your topic is, 45 00:01:46,610 --> 00:01:48,710 no matter what your industry is, and no 46 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:51,170 matter who your audience is and the benefits 47 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:53,330 of it. And then Neha shares some of her 48 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:55,640 speaking experiences and insights that she 49 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,870 has for you. 50 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:59,180 If you would like to work with us to develop 51 00:01:59,180 --> 00:02:01,370 your thought leadership message, create your 52 00:02:01,370 --> 00:02:03,380 signature talk and learn the business of 53 00:02:03,380 --> 00:02:06,530 speaking. We do that with you in our online 54 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:07,640 Thought Leader Academy. 55 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,340 We work with you both one on one and in a 56 00:02:10,340 --> 00:02:12,650 small group of women, so you get plenty of 57 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:15,350 personalized coaching, feedback, support, 58 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:16,460 and community. 59 00:02:16,490 --> 00:02:19,250 We're enrolling now for our April 2nd start 60 00:02:19,250 --> 00:02:21,080 date. You can get all the details of 61 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,930 speaking your brand.com/academy again that's 62 00:02:23,930 --> 00:02:26,300 speaking your brand.com/academy. 63 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:28,160 Now let's get on with the show. 64 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,980 Neha, welcome to the podcast. 65 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:33,200 Dr. Neha Pathak: Thank you so much for having me, Carol. 66 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,420 Carol Cox: Well, let's start first with your background. 67 00:02:35,420 --> 00:02:37,370 As I mentioned, you're a physician and your 68 00:02:37,370 --> 00:02:39,320 lead medical editor at WebMD. 69 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,720 So tell us about those two roles that you 70 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,190 have and what you do there. 71 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:46,130 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yeah. So I am a primary care physician. 72 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:48,440 I always say the one thing that doesn't give 73 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,660 me imposter syndrome in my life is to say 74 00:02:50,660 --> 00:02:52,190 that I'm a primary care doc. 75 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:56,870 Um, and so essentially, my job, as I see it, 76 00:02:56,870 --> 00:03:00,980 has always been to try to go upstream of the 77 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:03,680 health or illness that someone is suffering 78 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,990 from and try to really prevent illness 79 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:09,890 before, um, we're dealing with managing a 80 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:13,430 condition. And so what I had done, really 81 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:15,560 all of my clinical career is to do that one 82 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,430 on one with patients in the office at most, 83 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:22,640 maybe 1 to 10 with group visits. 84 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,910 And so the possibilities of working with 85 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:29,270 WebMD really were just mind boggling, 86 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:31,910 amazing to me. I was very excited for that 87 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:34,550 opportunity, because now it's sort of being 88 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:37,610 able to communicate reliable, trusted 89 00:03:37,610 --> 00:03:40,550 messages with larger groups of people. 90 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:43,370 And so that's really what brought me to my 91 00:03:43,370 --> 00:03:44,150 current work. 92 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:47,300 Carol Cox: Talk about this big global issue that you've 93 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:49,610 decided to tackle in the work that you do 94 00:03:49,610 --> 00:03:51,080 around your thought leadership. 95 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,690 So and it happens to be about climate 96 00:03:53,690 --> 00:03:55,220 change, which, again, I don't think a lot of 97 00:03:55,220 --> 00:03:57,050 people would think, you know, primary care, 98 00:03:57,050 --> 00:04:00,680 doctor WebMD, climate change, they don't 99 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,990 seem to go together. But of course, we know 100 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:04,640 and I know from working with you that they 101 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,470 do. So can you tell me a little bit about 102 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:08,480 what got, you know, why this topic? 103 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,950 Why climate change for your thought 104 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:10,670 leadership? 105 00:04:11,420 --> 00:04:14,060 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yeah, I think that I it never even really 106 00:04:14,060 --> 00:04:16,970 occurred to me as something where I was 107 00:04:16,970 --> 00:04:18,620 interested in thought leadership. 108 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:20,990 It just became, um, it was an area where I 109 00:04:20,990 --> 00:04:23,990 just in terms of caring for my patients, 110 00:04:23,990 --> 00:04:25,940 caring for my family, caring for my 111 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:28,340 community, as I mentioned, sort of really 112 00:04:28,340 --> 00:04:30,290 thinking like, what's upstream, what's 113 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:32,510 upstream of what's making us potentially 114 00:04:32,510 --> 00:04:35,120 sick, or what allows us to have a stable 115 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,640 environment so that we can have healthy food 116 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,150 and places to go for physical activity and 117 00:04:41,150 --> 00:04:43,910 nature. That has some stability in the world 118 00:04:43,910 --> 00:04:46,220 around us. And every time, sort of the 119 00:04:46,220 --> 00:04:49,310 answer was coming back to, well, there is 120 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:53,180 this major crisis going on with our climate, 121 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:56,870 where in the office we often talk about our 122 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:59,630 diagnoses being based on what's most common 123 00:04:59,630 --> 00:05:01,100 during that particular time. 124 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:02,960 Right. So we're thinking about flu season. 125 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,730 We're thinking about pollen season. 126 00:05:04,730 --> 00:05:06,860 We're thinking about. So in my office I 127 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:10,850 really use the time, the place that I'm at 128 00:05:10,970 --> 00:05:14,000 my geography, to help me with thinking 129 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,790 through what are the potential diagnoses. 130 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:19,660 And it just became and what's going on with 131 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:21,220 my children if I'm thinking about it in the 132 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:25,720 home. And it just started to dawn on me as I 133 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,910 was seeing patients, as I was taking care of 134 00:05:27,910 --> 00:05:31,090 my children, that what I had learned in 135 00:05:31,090 --> 00:05:35,020 medical school was really shifting, and that 136 00:05:35,020 --> 00:05:37,690 the climate was playing a role in that. 137 00:05:37,690 --> 00:05:40,690 And so as I dug in and tried to learn more, 138 00:05:40,690 --> 00:05:43,810 I felt like I needed to communicate this 139 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:46,990 with my patients. And that's really how I 140 00:05:46,990 --> 00:05:48,010 sort of learned more. 141 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:49,780 And that's why I've leaned into trying to 142 00:05:49,780 --> 00:05:52,450 share this information in a way that people 143 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:54,250 can understand, in a way that people can 144 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:57,910 feel like they have a role to play, um, in 145 00:05:57,910 --> 00:05:58,930 the work that I do. 146 00:05:58,990 --> 00:06:01,540 Carol Cox: Well, and that and that's fascinating that, 147 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:03,190 like you, you were working with your 148 00:06:03,190 --> 00:06:04,930 patients and again, kind of this contrast 149 00:06:05,110 --> 00:06:07,660 between, you know, years ago being in 150 00:06:07,660 --> 00:06:09,850 medical school and what what were kind of 151 00:06:09,850 --> 00:06:12,430 the main areas of focus and what was 152 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:13,840 contributing to, you know, disease and 153 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:15,910 illness versus what you were seeing with 154 00:06:15,910 --> 00:06:17,590 your patients as the years progressed. 155 00:06:17,590 --> 00:06:19,420 And I like to think of thought leadership 156 00:06:19,420 --> 00:06:21,640 emerges from us. Sometimes it's from 157 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,740 experiences that we've had directly say, you 158 00:06:23,740 --> 00:06:25,660 know, when we were younger or at some point 159 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:28,360 in our life and, but and sometimes our, our 160 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,830 thought leadership emerges because we're 161 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:32,320 noticing things that maybe other people 162 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,940 aren't picking up on. And that sounds very 163 00:06:33,940 --> 00:06:35,470 much like for you, like you were starting to 164 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:37,240 notice these things and putting them 165 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,980 together and realizing that there was there 166 00:06:38,980 --> 00:06:40,450 was something else going on. 167 00:06:40,450 --> 00:06:43,420 So let me let me ask you this, Neha. 168 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:46,270 So climate change we know is a huge issue. 169 00:06:46,270 --> 00:06:47,890 Like there's so many components of it, it 170 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:51,730 can feel really overwhelming even for even 171 00:06:51,730 --> 00:06:53,710 for those of us who we care. 172 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:56,050 Like I care about the climate, obviously, I 173 00:06:56,050 --> 00:06:57,910 don't want the climate impact that we've 174 00:06:57,910 --> 00:07:00,730 already are seeing in not only in the United 175 00:07:00,730 --> 00:07:01,810 States, but around the world. 176 00:07:01,810 --> 00:07:04,060 But yet it also feels like, well, I'm just 177 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:06,130 one person, like, what can I do about it? 178 00:07:06,130 --> 00:07:07,720 How much impact can I make? 179 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,940 And aren't the government supposed to figure 180 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:11,650 this out? Or like, you know, big, big 181 00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:13,360 companies, can't they do something? 182 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,480 So how do you address that in the work that 183 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,200 you're doing? 184 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,290 Dr. Neha Pathak: So I think everything you said is exactly 185 00:07:20,290 --> 00:07:22,510 right. And I think that that's what I'm 186 00:07:22,510 --> 00:07:24,610 hoping to accomplish. I think it was in a 187 00:07:24,610 --> 00:07:26,140 conversation with you where I was sort of 188 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:29,950 thinking about, so who do I want to talk to? 189 00:07:30,130 --> 00:07:32,350 What is it that people want? 190 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:35,050 And then what is it that they fear in terms 191 00:07:35,050 --> 00:07:36,100 of losing? 192 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:39,370 And then ultimately, what do they need to 193 00:07:39,370 --> 00:07:41,950 understand so that they feel like they can 194 00:07:41,950 --> 00:07:45,370 take action? So I think whenever I think 195 00:07:45,370 --> 00:07:48,070 about talking on this topic, that's really 196 00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:50,560 sort of those are the three questions I ask 197 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,920 myself or I hope to answer by the end of my 198 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,610 writing. Or if I'm talking to an expert. 199 00:07:57,610 --> 00:07:58,870 Those are the things I'm hoping to get 200 00:07:58,870 --> 00:08:01,540 across. So I think, number one, feeling 201 00:08:01,540 --> 00:08:04,300 overwhelmed 100%. 202 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:06,400 I think we should honor that feeling, 203 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,850 acknowledge it. It is completely accurate 204 00:08:09,850 --> 00:08:12,460 and appropriate to feel like we're one 205 00:08:12,460 --> 00:08:14,110 person, we're one family. 206 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:17,830 How can we make any dent into this problem? 207 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:19,840 So I think that honor, that honor that 208 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,870 feeling. And then in terms of, well, what do 209 00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:26,110 I want as a mother, as a primary care doctor 210 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:27,160 for my patients? 211 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,670 I want to live in a world that has some 212 00:08:30,670 --> 00:08:34,570 stability, so that the short terme and long 213 00:08:34,750 --> 00:08:38,230 tum health of my family and my patients can 214 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:39,310 be optimized. 215 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:41,170 That's really what I want. 216 00:08:41,380 --> 00:08:43,900 And then what do I fear is that I have to 217 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:47,350 change things in a major, major way to make 218 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:49,600 those things happen, which is really hard 219 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,130 for any of us to do. 220 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:53,110 Even if I tell you right now that you have a 221 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:55,150 particular even if I tell myself I have a 222 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:56,920 particular health condition, so I'm going to 223 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,140 need to change the way I eat or how much I 224 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:03,400 move. It's really hard to close that gap 225 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,800 between knowing that and actually changing 226 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,070 behavior. So I think recognizing that is 227 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:13,180 important and then just understanding that 228 00:09:13,180 --> 00:09:14,590 you're right, it is. 229 00:09:14,590 --> 00:09:17,320 You know, our government, you know, it is 230 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,270 big businesses that have to make these 231 00:09:19,270 --> 00:09:22,060 changes. So that's who we have to demand 232 00:09:22,060 --> 00:09:24,670 these changes from I think is is sort of the 233 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:26,800 big thing that I'm hoping that people can 234 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,650 get behind. It's we don't we can do little 235 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:30,700 things in our home. 236 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:33,970 But that's really where we need to sort of 237 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:35,140 direct action. 238 00:09:35,380 --> 00:09:36,610 Carol Cox: Well, and I appreciate that. 239 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:38,050 Neha and I have for those of you who are 240 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:39,610 watching the video in the show notes page, I 241 00:09:39,610 --> 00:09:41,920 have her signature talk here on the board 242 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,020 with the post-it notes. And, you know, to 243 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:47,470 your point about, you know, in whatever for 244 00:09:47,470 --> 00:09:48,850 for those of you listening, whatever your 245 00:09:48,850 --> 00:09:51,040 topic happens to be when you're presenting 246 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,690 it in front of your audience, is that 247 00:09:52,690 --> 00:09:55,120 validating where the audience currently is, 248 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,340 saying the things out loud that, you know, 249 00:09:57,340 --> 00:09:59,200 they're probably thinking like, imagine if 250 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,630 Neha is starting to talk about her topic 251 00:10:01,630 --> 00:10:02,980 related to climate change. 252 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:04,000 And she's like, all right, we're going to 253 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,230 talk about climate change. And these are the 254 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:08,110 things you need to do, and completely just 255 00:10:08,110 --> 00:10:10,000 doesn't even acknowledge how people are 256 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,890 feeling about it, that maybe, you know, it 257 00:10:11,890 --> 00:10:13,570 feels too big of an issue like. 258 00:10:13,570 --> 00:10:16,300 So that's really important to do in is to. 259 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:19,460 Knowledge where people are at that you feel 260 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:21,410 the same things and then but like, okay, so 261 00:10:21,410 --> 00:10:24,200 but what what can we do about that? 262 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,890 And so we came up with a framework for this, 263 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:29,210 uh, an acronym. 264 00:10:29,210 --> 00:10:30,860 Do you want to, do you want to talk about 265 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:32,990 that and kind of the kind of the main pieces 266 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:35,000 of because I think this is useful not only 267 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,560 for listeners to think about, like the meta 268 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,510 of their own thought leadership and their 269 00:10:38,510 --> 00:10:40,580 framework, but also for climate change, like 270 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:42,740 what is what are some things that we can do? 271 00:10:42,950 --> 00:10:45,140 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yeah, I feel like I've gone through a lot of 272 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:48,230 iterations of it since we've talked as well, 273 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:50,630 and a lot of it has shifted depending on the 274 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:53,000 audience. So, you know, it's really, I 275 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,410 think, your framework. And that's what's so 276 00:10:54,410 --> 00:10:56,450 beautiful about the framework that you gave 277 00:10:56,450 --> 00:11:00,740 me is that it was an audience of moms 278 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:03,140 originally that I was thinking about, and 279 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:05,030 then it shifted to when I had to when I 280 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:07,010 ended up having to give a talk, it was in 281 00:11:07,010 --> 00:11:09,560 front of this large health professional 282 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:13,670 society. So I really sort of shifted it to, 283 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:16,700 um, we have to own the problem. 284 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:19,940 So, um, I think that number one is 285 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:21,800 understanding the overwhelm. 286 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,330 So recognizing that we do have, um, feelings 287 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:29,660 of just being completely overwhelmed and 288 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:33,050 that this doesn't necessarily fit into our 289 00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:35,540 clinical practice, it doesn't fit into our 290 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:38,450 homes because we have so much to do already. 291 00:11:38,450 --> 00:11:40,760 The next thing is, I think that we have to 292 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,940 recognize that we can win in this situation 293 00:11:43,940 --> 00:11:45,770 so that there are things that we're already 294 00:11:45,770 --> 00:11:48,560 doing in our lives that are wins for climate 295 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:52,010 change. So for the health perspective, I am 296 00:11:52,010 --> 00:11:54,170 part of a group of lifestyle medicine 297 00:11:54,170 --> 00:11:56,300 providers. So the win for us is the work 298 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:59,540 we're already doing in our clinics, um, to 299 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:02,300 help people recognize the health benefits of 300 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:05,300 a plant rich diet, to help people understand 301 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:08,090 the health benefits of physical activity in 302 00:12:08,090 --> 00:12:10,310 the world around them. All of those are 303 00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:13,130 carbon. They're much less carbon intensive 304 00:12:13,130 --> 00:12:15,860 than some of the other types of health 305 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:19,820 behaviors that people, um, currently are 306 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:22,250 really sort of focused on or sticking to. 307 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:23,900 So we're trying to help people shift to 308 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:26,870 those health behaviors that are already wins 309 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:28,790 for us. We're already doing that for health 310 00:12:28,790 --> 00:12:30,680 and helping people, if that. 311 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,390 They're so inclined to recognize that that's 312 00:12:32,390 --> 00:12:34,400 a win for climate as well. 313 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,470 And then the N is for now. 314 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:39,980 So the time really is now for us to do this. 315 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:43,100 And as lifestyle medicine providers, we are 316 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:45,860 doing it now. So it's just sharing that 317 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:48,680 message with other health professionals. 318 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,470 Carol Cox: I love that you came up with a framework just 319 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:53,660 for them, for the for the physicians, 320 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:55,010 because that makes a lot of sense, because I 321 00:12:55,010 --> 00:12:56,930 know for the framework we had come up with 322 00:12:56,930 --> 00:13:00,080 for directing this at Moms was E's, so 323 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,690 acronym E a s e like how to do this with 324 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:04,640 ease, right? And not putting more stress and 325 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,800 more burden on them, but instead like, how 326 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,210 can they involve their children and their 327 00:13:08,210 --> 00:13:10,340 families and kind of and make it so that 328 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:11,990 it's a, it's a positive thing that they're 329 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:13,670 doing within their household? 330 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:15,380 Not one more chore to do. 331 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,120 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yes, exactly. 332 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,260 Yes. No, absolutely. 333 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,900 And I think that that's what was really 334 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:23,540 freeing for me is like actually kind of 335 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:27,890 constraining yourself to, um, an acronym or 336 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:30,890 to a framework really helps you think about, 337 00:13:30,890 --> 00:13:32,750 well, what does this audience need or what 338 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:34,730 is it's going to what is going to really 339 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:36,170 resonate with this other audience? 340 00:13:36,170 --> 00:13:38,360 So yeah, I think that that was really 341 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,670 helpful. And it's similar messages, maybe 342 00:13:40,670 --> 00:13:42,020 different stories. 343 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,650 Um, but I think just being able to tweak it 344 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:47,630 in different ways for a different audience. 345 00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:50,240 Carol Cox: Well, let's talk about stories now, because I 346 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,260 know that when you went through the Thought 347 00:13:51,260 --> 00:13:53,390 Leader Academy and we worked together like 348 00:13:53,390 --> 00:13:56,270 many very highly educated, highly 349 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:59,150 accomplished women, and you certainly are 350 00:13:59,180 --> 00:14:03,140 like we we tend to stay focus on not not 351 00:14:03,140 --> 00:14:04,970 even like just the facts, but like, what is 352 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:07,130 the information? And especially for, for 353 00:14:07,130 --> 00:14:09,380 those in, you know, in medicine and health 354 00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:11,030 and science, like what is the science say? 355 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:12,830 Like, you know, what is the research say 356 00:14:12,830 --> 00:14:14,780 what has been backed up as far as things 357 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:17,060 that are beneficial for us to do. 358 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:19,460 So? I know that personal stories usually 359 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:20,660 don't come into that. 360 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:22,670 You know, think about conferences that you 361 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:24,350 probably have gone to over the years and are 362 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:26,570 probably not a lot of personal stories. 363 00:14:26,570 --> 00:14:30,920 So but I will I encourage you to have to put 364 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,290 personal stories into the talk that we were 365 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:34,790 working on. You have a great one about 366 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:37,610 taking your daughters to see Taylor Swift in 367 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:39,890 concert, right? That makes it so relatable. 368 00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:41,630 So how what was that? 369 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:44,060 What was that process like for you and and 370 00:14:44,060 --> 00:14:46,700 how how do you see storytelling now? 371 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:49,250 Dr. Neha Pathak: I think that that is absolutely one of the 372 00:14:49,250 --> 00:14:50,420 things that I just did. 373 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:52,640 Not particularly because mostly what I had 374 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,240 done prior to working with you had been 375 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,970 giving talks in a health professional 376 00:14:58,970 --> 00:15:00,860 society space or amongst health 377 00:15:00,860 --> 00:15:02,720 professionals where there's sort of a very 378 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,930 standard accepted structure, um, that you 379 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:08,360 don't necessarily want to deviate from the 380 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,370 writing that I had done, and we've talked 381 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:12,380 about this a little bit, had really been 382 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:15,080 very much reported writing this is what the 383 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,380 experts are saying. And here's what I can 384 00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:18,730 share with you. Here's how I might 385 00:15:18,730 --> 00:15:21,520 synthesize that information, but in general, 386 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,670 not really less of me and more of what is 387 00:15:24,670 --> 00:15:25,870 the information. 388 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:29,140 And I will say that even in the talk that I 389 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:31,480 gave for the health professional society, I 390 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,030 did throw in a few stories. 391 00:15:34,030 --> 00:15:36,460 And that's where I got probably my biggest 392 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:38,050 round of applause or interest. 393 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:40,450 Or you could see that the audience was sort 394 00:15:40,450 --> 00:15:43,630 of engaged with the story, where I was just 395 00:15:43,630 --> 00:15:46,360 sort of thinking about, well, how is it that 396 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,640 as health professionals that are really 397 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,910 interested in lifestyle interventions, how 398 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:53,920 is it that climate change is a threat to 399 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,330 those interventions? 400 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:57,700 And then at the same time, on the opposite 401 00:15:57,700 --> 00:15:59,350 side, how can we own this? 402 00:15:59,350 --> 00:16:01,300 By continuing to do the work that we're 403 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:03,610 doing. And one of the examples I gave was, 404 00:16:03,610 --> 00:16:06,490 for example, if we're talking about helping 405 00:16:06,490 --> 00:16:08,710 our patients understand physical activity in 406 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:10,780 the world around them, if we think about it 407 00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:13,630 with a climate and health lens, then we can 408 00:16:13,630 --> 00:16:15,400 just help them understand well, if there is 409 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,830 a chore or an errand that you have to do 410 00:16:17,830 --> 00:16:21,880 that is within the span of one mile, try to 411 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,790 do try to walk that or bike that. 412 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:27,580 And I sort of threw in my personal story of 413 00:16:27,580 --> 00:16:29,890 having a community of moms now who it 414 00:16:29,890 --> 00:16:31,630 happens that my daughter's daycare is 415 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:33,220 exactly a mile away. 416 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:37,690 So we walk her down, we walk back, we get to 417 00:16:37,690 --> 00:16:38,770 talk about our husbands. 418 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:41,980 So it's social connection, it's mental 419 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:44,980 health, um, and it's physical activity. 420 00:16:44,980 --> 00:16:47,290 And I think that that story, it was really 421 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:48,940 interesting to see how the audience 422 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:50,890 connected with just tweaking our 423 00:16:50,890 --> 00:16:53,770 prescriptions so that it it multi solves. 424 00:16:54,460 --> 00:16:56,500 Carol Cox: And I'm sure that's very they're going to 425 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,550 remember that story. 426 00:16:57,550 --> 00:16:58,990 And then next time they're going to think 427 00:16:58,990 --> 00:17:01,570 about well not only can I walk somewhere but 428 00:17:01,570 --> 00:17:03,370 maybe one of these little these these 429 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,110 behavior changes that I can make. 430 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:08,200 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yeah. And I think yeah, the ease piece of it, 431 00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:09,430 it's important for all of us. 432 00:17:09,430 --> 00:17:11,200 Right. We want to make sure that whatever 433 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,660 we're doing solves for not just one problem, 434 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:14,680 but many problems. 435 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,290 And it's easy and fun and social. 436 00:17:17,380 --> 00:17:22,030 Carol Cox: And Neha, I just very recently you published 437 00:17:22,030 --> 00:17:24,970 an article on the website Yale Climate 438 00:17:24,970 --> 00:17:26,530 Connections, and I'll include a link to this 439 00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:28,990 article in the show notes, because it's it's 440 00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:30,370 definitely well worth reading. 441 00:17:30,370 --> 00:17:32,830 It's a really beautifully written article. 442 00:17:32,830 --> 00:17:35,320 And when I saw it on your LinkedIn, I 443 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:36,940 clicked over it on it. 444 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:39,700 And so I'll just say the title of it is I'm 445 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:41,890 a Doctor. Here's what Western medicine 446 00:17:41,890 --> 00:17:43,870 misunderstands about nature. 447 00:17:43,870 --> 00:17:45,700 So I was like, okay, you know, that sounds 448 00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:47,110 that sounds like Neha, right? 449 00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:48,490 Like I know you like you're combining these 450 00:17:48,490 --> 00:17:50,650 things. And I really expected especially, 451 00:17:50,650 --> 00:17:52,420 you know, Yale like Yale climate 452 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:54,220 connections, like very prestigious. 453 00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:55,990 I really expected the article to start with. 454 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:58,690 Well, you know, being in nature, science has 455 00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:00,460 shown that it releases dopamine or, you 456 00:18:00,460 --> 00:18:01,810 know, whatever it happens to be. 457 00:18:01,810 --> 00:18:04,060 But no, no, no, that's not how the article 458 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:06,700 starts. The article starts with I still 459 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:09,100 flushed with embarrassment when I relived 460 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:11,200 the moment it was 20 years ago. 461 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,380 I was a shy medical student and so on, and I 462 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:15,400 was like, yay! 463 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,800 I was clapping when I was reading it because 464 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,770 that like, it brings as the reader, it 465 00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:21,820 brings me in. 466 00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:25,600 And I was so engaged in reading the article 467 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,660 and I felt like I just, I felt like that 468 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:30,760 kind of like that professional distance had 469 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,920 collapsed, even just on the screen by 470 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,480 reading that story about you. 471 00:18:34,660 --> 00:18:38,740 Dr. Neha Pathak: Well, I really appreciate that feedback. 472 00:18:38,740 --> 00:18:41,590 I thank you so much for sharing that with me 473 00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:43,840 and just how you felt as you were reading 474 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,180 it. And I will share with you that that is 475 00:18:46,180 --> 00:18:49,600 probably the first narrative, personal essay 476 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,780 that I've ever written, and a lot of it is 477 00:18:52,780 --> 00:18:56,140 thanks to you and just sort of, again, not 478 00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:58,690 just the framework, but helping sort of pull 479 00:18:58,690 --> 00:19:01,000 in like, what is the you of this? 480 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,130 Why are you the one that's sharing this 481 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:06,820 information and pulling back, going through 482 00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:08,980 your archive and your memory and thinking 483 00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:12,070 about how are our experiences, these 484 00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:15,280 personal experiences, really connected to 485 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,650 the way that we're thinking about the world 486 00:19:17,650 --> 00:19:19,900 around us or the work that we're doing in 487 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,940 the world around us? And so this is the 488 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:26,410 first time I've sort of put me in a story 489 00:19:26,410 --> 00:19:29,560 like that. And, uh, yeah, I mean, I think it 490 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,730 was really to say that there was a time when 491 00:19:33,730 --> 00:19:37,300 I tried to share sort of my own sort of, I 492 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:40,390 would say, cultural inheritance as part of 493 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:41,740 the practice of medicine. 494 00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:45,190 So for me, it was really just yoga, not as 495 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:47,800 the way we kind of practice it, um, in the 496 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,890 world today, but just moving, breathing, 497 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:53,530 feeling connected to everything around us. 498 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:56,500 Um, and just it's just sort of this journey 499 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:58,690 to recognizing that that's what we kind of 500 00:19:58,690 --> 00:20:01,060 maybe need to expand our understanding of 501 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:03,670 what yoga is, to include the world around us 502 00:20:03,670 --> 00:20:06,220 as well, and protect that world because it 503 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:08,080 has health benefits for us and, and 504 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,090 spiritual health benefits for us as well. 505 00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:11,590 Carol Cox: I love that. 506 00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:14,320 And and this sentence also in the article 507 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,480 really stuck out to me because I remember 508 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,830 you had shared this in the Thought Leader 509 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:20,830 Academy. In the article you write, I teach 510 00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:22,600 my children to ask for Mother Earth's 511 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,910 blessings every morning before they place 512 00:20:24,910 --> 00:20:27,940 their feet on her to do their daily tasks. 513 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,020 Dr. Neha Pathak: I thank and again, this is not something else 514 00:20:32,020 --> 00:20:35,080 I necessarily would have shared in, you 515 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,220 know, an article like this or at all. 516 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,510 Um, but it really is sort of how, how am I 517 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:46,240 thinking about it really in my own life? 518 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,700 And how can that connect with the way that 519 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,170 other people are thinking about it? 520 00:20:50,170 --> 00:20:51,700 And there are so many traditions. 521 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:53,980 There's so many ways that we see the world 522 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:55,360 and we think, oh, these are so different. 523 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,840 But so many of us think about how we honor 524 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,340 the world around us, how we care for the 525 00:21:00,340 --> 00:21:01,510 world around us. 526 00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:03,970 And I think sharing that specificity helps 527 00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:06,250 us think about, well, what is it that you 528 00:21:06,250 --> 00:21:08,200 know? Well, I have my own way of kind of 529 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,970 doing that, and I hope that that sort of 530 00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:10,870 translates. 531 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,960 Carol Cox: Absolutely. Well, Neha, let's talk about some 532 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,520 of your speaking experiences. 533 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,470 I also want to chat a little bit about how 534 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:19,690 your how you are approaching your podcast 535 00:21:19,690 --> 00:21:21,220 interviews that you do. 536 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:23,710 So I remembered that you had a speaking 537 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:26,200 engagement. So you graduated from the 538 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,270 Thought Leader Academy in October, and I 539 00:21:28,270 --> 00:21:30,070 think the speaking engagement was around 540 00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:32,290 that same time. So maybe right, kind of 541 00:21:32,290 --> 00:21:33,490 right after we graduated. 542 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:35,350 And I remember back in August when we 543 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:38,410 started, you said something like, I usually, 544 00:21:38,410 --> 00:21:40,570 I usually like don't look forward to 545 00:21:40,570 --> 00:21:42,070 speaking engagements and. 546 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:44,890 Right. And can you tell us why. 547 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,110 So what like what was that about that and 548 00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:48,580 how are you feeling now? 549 00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:50,800 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yeah, I. 550 00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:54,760 So that's the reason that I connected with 551 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,790 you was really because I had this speaking 552 00:21:57,790 --> 00:22:00,580 engagement. It was probably the biggest 553 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:04,600 opportunity that I'd ever had, the largest 554 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,440 audience. And, um, I have and I think I 555 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,080 shared with you then my biggest, biggest, 556 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,270 biggest weakness is procrastination. 557 00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:18,460 And just the the fear of having to do that 558 00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:22,360 sort of ends up making me just constantly 559 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,070 say to myself, I'll do it later, okay, I can 560 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:25,780 do it later, or I'm thinking about it. 561 00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:28,300 That means I'm doing it and not actually 562 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,070 physically putting anything on paper. 563 00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:33,760 So I really connected with you as sort of 564 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,870 this accountability coach to just help me 565 00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:40,000 put it on paper, like, if I could talk to 566 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,700 somebody and not in the world of medicine, 567 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,120 where I kind of understand the frame that I 568 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,520 need to be talking from, but someone who has 569 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,890 a completely different perspective, a 570 00:22:50,890 --> 00:22:53,110 different a completely different way of 571 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:56,770 understanding persuasive kind of language. 572 00:22:56,980 --> 00:23:00,790 Um, so this was like a very different type 573 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:03,610 of process than I've ever done before. 574 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:07,150 And so I did just what we sort of talked 575 00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:11,350 about. I for months beforehand made these 576 00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:13,810 slides, really thought about what is the 577 00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:17,020 persuasive message here, what are the 578 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:20,080 interesting graphics, what are the great 579 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,140 stories from my archive and from other 580 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:25,090 patients, other health professionals that I 581 00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:26,860 can kind of throw in here? 582 00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:29,560 And it was an audience of, I think around 583 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,230 2000 health professionals. 584 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:33,940 It went well. 585 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:36,400 And you know me, I never say anything 586 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,690 positive about anything I've done. 587 00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:41,740 So it was I'm working on that piece as well, 588 00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:45,850 which is to, you know, just appreciate and 589 00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:48,310 have gratitude for the journey. 590 00:23:48,790 --> 00:23:51,820 Uh, so I think that that really has shifted 591 00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:55,570 my relationship with being able to say yes 592 00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:58,750 to other talks, to feel comfortable and then 593 00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:01,840 sometimes often to just say no, um, to some 594 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,690 of these opportunities as well, because I 595 00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:07,870 feel like it has to really speak to me. 596 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,300 Um, and I really feel like I have to be able 597 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,220 to pull all of these pieces together in 598 00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:14,410 order to, to do this well. 599 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:17,710 So I just really appreciated the process of 600 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:20,410 going going through that and forcing myself 601 00:24:20,410 --> 00:24:22,690 to put something on paper and sharing it 602 00:24:22,690 --> 00:24:25,540 with somebody who could then give me some 603 00:24:25,540 --> 00:24:26,470 feedback. 604 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:29,980 Carol Cox: Well, I remember I had, you know, emailed you 605 00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:31,660 good luck beforehand and then you wrote me 606 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:33,220 back afterwards and you're like, it went 607 00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:35,350 great. And so you had some exclamation marks 608 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:37,630 in there. So I think, yes, I think you did a 609 00:24:37,630 --> 00:24:38,380 great job. 610 00:24:42,850 --> 00:24:45,760 Dr. Neha Pathak: I had a bar of just thank you. 611 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,250 My, my bar was don't collapse on stage. 612 00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:51,070 So that was met and then I was like and then 613 00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:54,310 this is you know and it was it really did it 614 00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:54,970 went well. 615 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:58,780 Carol Cox: Do you have any advice or tips for speakers, 616 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:01,480 maybe speakers who also feel like you when 617 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,560 they when they're thinking about their 618 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,240 upcoming speaking engagements? 619 00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:08,800 Dr. Neha Pathak: So I think one a the earlier you know about 620 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,860 it, don't tell yourself, oh, I have three 621 00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:14,440 months before I have to start working on it. 622 00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:18,670 It really is sort of when you find out about 623 00:25:18,670 --> 00:25:20,350 it, if it is really something, that 624 00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:23,290 opportunity that is so meaningful to you, 625 00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:27,100 um, put that passion down on paper as soon 626 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:28,270 as you can. 627 00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,330 And then I think finding someone who is an 628 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:35,890 accountability person or group is just 629 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:38,710 crucial, because I think that, you know, I, 630 00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:40,930 I put and generally this is another thing I 631 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:42,910 just kind of have thrown together slides in 632 00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:45,460 the past and been like, okay, I can I, I got 633 00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:47,980 the idea, I can speak through this, but it's 634 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:50,740 when you iterate and you show it to somebody 635 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:54,040 who maybe is not necessarily in your field. 636 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,760 If they can connect with that message, then, 637 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,460 you know, you're kind of on to something. 638 00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:02,710 So I think those are the keys. 639 00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:06,550 And then having a framework, I don't think I 640 00:26:06,550 --> 00:26:10,030 necessarily even thought through the fact 641 00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:13,570 that you need a story arc, even for these 642 00:26:13,570 --> 00:26:16,540 types of health professional presentations, 643 00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:20,020 where it's not just here are my objectives, 644 00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:21,610 here's the information. 645 00:26:21,610 --> 00:26:23,590 I hope you hope I met those objectives. 646 00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:26,380 It's sort of here's my what I've started to 647 00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:29,140 add to in some of my slides now or in some 648 00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:30,310 of my presentations are here are my 649 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:33,220 objectives. But here's my hope for what we 650 00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:35,300 come out. With. 651 00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,700 At the end of this time together, I hope we 652 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,170 co-create something new. 653 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:41,660 Information. I hope you help me understand 654 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:43,460 what resonates, what doesn't. 655 00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:46,220 And then I'll sort of go into the the 656 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:47,240 presentation. 657 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:49,040 Carol Cox: I like that, Neha. 658 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,050 I like I think of it as like you're you're 659 00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:53,420 extending an invitation to the audience 660 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,740 instead of, you know, saying, okay, here, 661 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:56,150 I'm just going to lecture to the audience. 662 00:26:56,150 --> 00:26:57,830 You know, one way, here's all the 663 00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:59,360 information, here's the information dump. 664 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,250 Instead of even if the audience is not 665 00:27:01,250 --> 00:27:03,200 literally saying anything back to you, I 666 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,910 always like to think of it as a dialogue and 667 00:27:04,910 --> 00:27:06,410 like you're extending the invitation for 668 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:09,050 them to join you on this journey of 669 00:27:09,050 --> 00:27:10,670 discovering, in this case, it happens to be 670 00:27:10,670 --> 00:27:12,380 like, you know, this climate change is a big 671 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:14,660 issue. What can we do about it as 672 00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:15,590 physicians? 673 00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:19,070 Dr. Neha Pathak: Yeah, and I think I think the whole this is 674 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:21,020 and I've told you this in the past as well, 675 00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:24,590 like I'm not great with the terms, you know, 676 00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:29,930 thought leader or I am really so interested 677 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:33,890 in learning and I'm really interested in 678 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:36,680 understanding how other people are seeing 679 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,020 this problem so that we can sort of work 680 00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:41,360 together and figure out, because it really 681 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,950 is a all hands on deck. 682 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:45,560 And so how can we all with our individual 683 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,780 skills or our different interests? 684 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,330 Come together to do something, and I 685 00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:53,610 definitely come at it from a place of I'm 686 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:55,080 still in the process of learning. 687 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,620 I am definitely not an expert in climate 688 00:27:58,620 --> 00:27:59,640 science. That's going to tell you. 689 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,770 I'm telling you from a health perspective 690 00:28:01,770 --> 00:28:04,980 what I'm seeing, what the concerns are for 691 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:06,060 people's health. 692 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:09,390 So how can we all sort of think about this 693 00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:11,520 problem, and what can each of us do to 694 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,140 tackle it in our own ways? 695 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:15,750 Carol Cox: Well, to me that is thought leadership. 696 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:17,220 I always say that it's not about having all 697 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:18,990 the answers. It's being willing to ask the 698 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:22,050 big questions and being willing to not to 699 00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:23,640 know that you don't have the answers, but 700 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,320 that these are conversations that need to be 701 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,050 had and that you want to contribute to those 702 00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:29,910 conversations that are going on. 703 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:33,330 So yes, I always say you don't have to put 704 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:35,040 thought leader on your LinkedIn profile, 705 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,090 like you don't have to do that. 706 00:28:36,090 --> 00:28:38,550 But I really think, like I still feel like 707 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,920 embracing that identity for yourself helps 708 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,380 you to realize the important role that 709 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:45,030 you're playing. And then hopefully kind of 710 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:47,100 role modeling that for others. 711 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,500 Subconsciously, you know that and then that 712 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,300 they can see that and take it for themselves 713 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:51,960 as well. 714 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,720 Dr. Neha Pathak: I care. I think that that's such a key 715 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,050 message. And that is beyond also just 716 00:29:00,050 --> 00:29:03,110 understanding the sort of the framework and 717 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:05,480 the operationalizing, putting a talk 718 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,420 together or even sort of outlining. 719 00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:11,930 What I want to write is these internal 720 00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:15,050 feelings of imposter syndrome. 721 00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:16,760 And I'm not there yet. 722 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,320 I'm still working on it. But I think that 723 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,570 that's another thing that I learned from 724 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:23,300 working with you and the other women, that 725 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:27,980 this was a very women focused program, I 726 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:31,310 think really was important for me, because I 727 00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:34,280 think a lot of us come into whatever space 728 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,140 we're in, just having imposter syndrome or 729 00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:41,720 not thinking that what we know is enough or 730 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,510 what we have to share is enough. 731 00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:47,690 And so it's really been about sort of 732 00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:50,060 eliminating that self-talk. 733 00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:52,550 Each day. I maybe get a little bit better at 734 00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:56,450 that. And then not being afraid to share 735 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,540 these ideas, I think was another thing that 736 00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:02,660 came out of working with you is, and I've 737 00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:04,610 talked to you about this as well, I am not 738 00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:06,500 great at social media. 739 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,630 I'm not great at just like putting things 740 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:10,400 out there that I've done. 741 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:14,420 Um, and I think it's sort of like, no, it's 742 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:18,020 okay to own your work and what you're doing 743 00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:20,690 and what you're passionate about and share 744 00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:23,270 that with other people. 745 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:25,880 Um, so I think that was another major thing 746 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,320 that I have to thank you for. 747 00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:30,050 Carol Cox: Oh, well, I am so glad to hear that. 748 00:30:30,050 --> 00:30:32,210 And yes, there is so much power in a 749 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:34,880 community of women working together because 750 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,550 you we do recognize that we are facing 751 00:30:37,550 --> 00:30:39,500 similar things because of the societal 752 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,720 messaging that we've grown up with. 753 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,440 And so learning how to be more, you know, 754 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,120 confident in putting ourselves out there is 755 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,520 something that we all are, you know, are are 756 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,960 working on all of the time. 757 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,690 All right. Neha, so for listeners, you can 758 00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:55,460 connect with Neha on LinkedIn. 759 00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:57,140 The link is in the show notes also that the 760 00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:59,120 link to that article that I quoted from 761 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,540 earlier that Neha wrote is also a link in 762 00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:04,640 the show notes. So be sure to read that as 763 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,170 well. And yeah, thank you so much for coming 764 00:31:06,170 --> 00:31:08,900 on speaking your brand podcast for going 765 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:10,160 through our Thought Leader Academy, being 766 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,230 such a valued member of our community, and 767 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:14,510 for the very important work that you are 768 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:17,120 doing because you are the messenger your 769 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,890 audience is waiting for. 770 00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:20,900 Dr. Neha Pathak: Thank you so much, Carol. 771 00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:22,730 Carol Cox: Thanks so much to Neha for coming on the 772 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:25,190 podcast and our next episode, we're going to 773 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:27,950 talk even more about storytelling, how to 774 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,590 integrate your personal story into your 775 00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:32,180 talk, and there's lots of different ways 776 00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:33,890 that you can do that. There's not just one 777 00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:36,230 way. In some cases, your story may be the 778 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:38,540 central message of your talk, and other 779 00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:42,140 cases it may be used to support one of the 780 00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:43,490 points that you're making. 781 00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:45,860 Also, with stories, you can start at the 782 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:47,420 beginning, of course, but you can also start 783 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:49,400 at the middle of your story or the end of 784 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,200 your story, and then come back to the 785 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,850 beginning later on. 786 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:54,350 So that's what you're going to hear on our 787 00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:56,360 next episode. Don't forget that if you'd 788 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,590 like to join us in our Thought Leader 789 00:31:57,590 --> 00:32:00,080 Academy enrollment is open, now you can go 790 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,750 to speaking your brand.com/academy again. 791 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:05,000 That's speaking your brand.com/academy to 792 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,320 get all of the details. 793 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,370 Until next time. 794 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:08,480 Thanks for listening.