you
When you talk about vibration, let's separate like the feeling that or can you separate like the feeling that you get from somebody the vibe quote unquote that you get from I
think this bigger idea that people are alluding to when they talk about vibration which I think the bigger idea is an interview.
conflictual today.
What do mean by that?
I think what I mean by that is a matrix of interconnectedness that we're all a part of and that we all sense and it's another dimension.
I think that, I mean, that is its own kind of topic in and of itself, but are we talking about um another sense that we have that is intuitive?
Now, I think you actually brought up a very interesting, unexpected word here.
ah This whole intuition thing.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, then we talk a little bit about that.
Absolutely, think it's part of what we're what we're talking about, but um, I guess Well, okay because to me I I think that one thing that I want to tease out with the term
vibration is are we talking about something like an intuition or are we talking about something physical something in a physical reality that happens to carry with it feelings
and thoughts and ideas
Well, first of all, I guess I'm in my lawyer mode today because we talk about words here.
You said something really interesting.
Okay.
And you were saying you're talking about vibration and you talk about intuition.
But when you're talking about it, it's like this.
If you were talking about intuition,
As a person, now you're talking about a person's ability to perceive something that
that may not.
in physical reality be verifiable.
All right.
So that only infers on, but vibrations, when you talk about vibrational quality of things, it's not my ability to perceive things.
We're talking about the existence of something.
It's like a little
Well, think both.
for my understanding of it, there's a mechanism, but then there's also the things that we intuit from that mechanism.
So there is a vibrational field, but vibrations themselves, maybe it's not, maybe that's not the technical way to be talking about it.
Different wavelengths, different frequencies have different meanings that we take from them.
Well, I think the whole thing, because there are a lot of kind of what would you call it?
mean, parallel realities, things, not part of this, things that I like, like repeat themselves.
for instance, to me, uh like we're doing a radio.
Well, we're doing an internet show, but let's say like, like the radio, like, like by, by broadcast.
Uh huh.
To me, that's all that it is.
It's just a radio.
so, you know, there's a source of these waves.
There's the waves and there has to be a receptor to both receive and to translate these things.
oh so.
Well, actually, if you get on like a spiritual viewpoint is that the radio
The singer.
Let's take this as an, I love analogies because there's so many.
Me too.
I love analogies because analogies are actually true.
They're examples or repetitions of things that just show themselves in all different ways.
Okay, so in the spiritual world, we'd say that.
Let's say there's a country singer, know, they're in the studio, they sing in a song and now you're a hundred miles away and you're listening to it on the radio, right?
So the singer is God.
Okay.
And the medium is almost like
what God's writing on.
It's like it's in the form of waves.
So there is the original source of everything.
and it is being broadcast in the form of waves.
That's what you call vibrations.
But actually these are waves that are emanating from the origin of the universe.
And there are also creatures that have been created by this
primordial source, including me and you.
And we are equipped to actually receive these vibrations because actually it's the same vibrational quality of ourselves.
Okay.
And we also have the mechanism to bring in that just like if you have a radio at home, your body is actually already hardwired.
But your radio in most cases is broken.
The radio in your mind?
Well, mind, whatever, you know, it's a multi-level thing, but it's there and you don't see it, you don't hear it, you don't feel it.
But they're there.
So in other words, to kind of validate what you were saying in the beginning of our conversation is that everything has a vibrational quality to it.
Everything has a frequency to it.
thing has a resonance.
Everything, even a rock, everything, I mean, it's a very slow resonance, everything has, nothing is absolutely dead.
Everything has a vibrational quality.
This is, know, I think unknowingly you, because you're really great because you always bring this stuff up, but in some ways I don't think you really know what you're walking
into because
You bring it up things, but these are like huge things.
It's a huge thing, but it's a good topic.
But it's like, again, with the people talking about parking karma, you know, and they're thrown around this word karma, but it's like a very big thing.
It's not like a little thing.
this vibrate people told, Oh, I feel, you know, I feel good vibes.
But actually everything has a vibrational quality, people aren't paying attention.
Uh, they're not evolved enough.
They're not.
self aware enough, actually everything has a vibrational quality.
And one of the purposes of your life is to be so aware that you pick up on the vibrational quality of everything around you and inside of you.
And so what happens even is when, and again, we've talked about this in other episodes, when a person experienced enlightenment, know, or Satori or any of these things.
It's actually at the point that they are vibrating the same resonance of the essence of the universe.
It's like a tuning fork.
Yeah, I have to disagree with you though.
feel like people are aware of the various vibrational frequencies around and that, I mean, even though it seems so glib in instances like parking karma or throwing around good vibe,
bad vibe.
mean, the fact that it's entered our speech in such a
casual manner and it's so pervasive.
think that really says something about the level of awareness and tacit acceptance.
And that's the weird thing is that we all have experiences of this, no matter where we are on the spectrum of accepting or denying them.
And we also so casually use the language that we sort of tend to imply that among each other that there's this existence.
no, I don't disagree with you.
think that actually everybody is aware of it.
It's just as you said, it's a matter of degree.
People do, no, people do.
mean, even the fact that, as I said, we're talking about telephones or radio show.
mean, they're actually living their life through vibrations and they do pick it up even, you know, everybody's had this experience like somebody, they walk down a street and
they're going, you know, I got to get out, this is not safe.
or this person's, should be around this person or I shouldn't be around this person.
They're picking up on something and that is what they're picking up on.
And I was actually just kind of extending it all the way out and saying that actually what we've all experienced and what you've described is that people, I agree with you, no,
people are onto something.
It's just to agree that they're onto it.
And so ultimately they're so onto it, they actually realize that everything is vibrational and it's second nature.
And the power, once you start to acknowledge it and try to conceive of it in your rational conscious mind, then I think the more access you have to it, maybe not necessarily the
rationalization part, but the acceptance and understanding of, I think when you are having, like recognizing those experiences when you're having them.
It's that kind of self-awareness that we talk about.
Well, yeah, and the thing is it's hard to have that self-awareness when you're like in the middle of something because you you It's very hard to be objective because you're like in
the middle of it.
Okay, so you have You're not coming from the outside in you you're in the middle of it.
So, know an example I think a very good example of this is just your mind so your mind itself the one thing about the human being
is that the mind itself is extremely high frequency.
Much more than, let's say, your animal instincts.
So as a human being, you're multi-aspected.
even within your body, there are things that are on different frequencies when you come from different places.
So the human mind itself is
very very high frequency.
And most people aren't aware of this but you can actually hear your own mind.
Yeah.
So let's break that down for people.
Cause I think that that's the first step here is most people, you know, they'll have an experience of it.
but they, and they hear people talk about vibration, but they still don't really understand what we're talking about.
So when you say a high vibration or a high frequency, that's literally a sound.
It's a note.
It's right.
It's literally a sound.
And so when you're talking about You can even hear the mind at work.
I mean, that's the I think the way that that shows itself is that It's very hard to ever be in total silence And even when you are in a very especially when you're in a very
silent room, you'll hear the humming of your own body That's because your body is humming It's humming.
Yeah, your body is a machine your body has energy running through it and
Your mind is especially energetic.
Sure.
And I'm very familiar with that sound even when I was from very young.
It's very kind of high pitched sound and it's very etheric, but it's definitely a sound.
so it's a high buzz.
It's a high buzz, but I think we're conditioned to just kind of ignore it for so long we don't hear it.
It's like white noise.
you hear it your whole life?
I mean, I think that taking the time to slow down to be able to hear it is one thing, but you also, you're trapped inside your own skull.
You know, kind of have to move a lot of things out of the way in your mind in order to hear it.
it's one of the great values of meditation.
know, you're actually, you know, the uh spiritual, etheric part aside, you're starting to just listen to yourself.
It's very valuable.
And uh you're actually emanating uh vibrational quality.
so, no, people can pick up on other people.
They can pick up whether they're
And actually, you you've heard about the chakras, for instance.
is very, very much so.
So this is very interesting.
you know, if you read about this, you know that in the Eastern philosophy, we talk about there being seven chakras, right?
From the bottom to the top and beyond.
But they all, they all have their own frequency.
So the chakra, let's say, you know, very quickly, this isn't a course on chakras, but just very, very quickly, you know, we have the first chakras more or less at your rectum, the
second chakra is at your sex organ, third chakra is at, and the first, you know, at the bottom, that's kind of survival.
And the second one is at your sex organs, that has to do with sexuality and creativity.
And the third one's at your navel point more or less, and that has to do with ego and power and self identity.
And the fourth one is at your heart center.
that has to do with human love.
And then the fifth one has to do, it's at your throat center and it has to do with uh speaking the truth and communication.
And six chakra is more or less where we call third eye between the two eyebrows, right?
And that has to do with uh knowledge and wisdom.
And then the very one at the top of the crown in the center, here at the top of your skull.
That has to do with kind of like uh more of like an all knowingness, not like an intellectual.
But for instance, we would just talk about the mind and the mind really is about that sixth chakra.
That's where we feel it.
You feel it right, you know, in the forehead.
Yeah, more or less that area.
that's a very, um that's vibrating at a much higher frequency than let's say the second or third chakra is.
higher that means a higher pitch if you were if you could hear it sure it would be high a higher note
It's a higher note and it's more refined.
it's more and it's vibrating faster.
Right, right.
Cause if you look at a wave form, the peaks and valleys, it's all scrunched up.
It's closer together.
It happens a lot quicker.
It moves faster.
The actual wave form, which I think is interesting because there's, there's a sound component, which we can understand, but there's also a physical component to these waves.
Well, they they have, they exist.
Right.
Exactly.
So they're the different vibrational qualities.
if I'm in some, so a lot of people say, this brings back this whole thing intuition you were talking about, right?
So people, for instance, are going, Oh, know, Hari Nam, you're so intuitive.
Like, what does that actually mean?
But they just, they're, they're, they're, uh, just guessing what it means because they're not sure.
But all it really means is, is that if there's a human being and they're open.
So let's say for argument's sake that I'm an open guy and I'm in the presence of another person and learned this from my teacher and it's not that complicated.
You can't learn how to be intuitive.
You have to, and this is what saying, there's no like tools.
There's all these, I laugh, there's all these courses on how you could be more intuitive.
But it's all fraudulent, I can tell you, because there's only one way to be truly intuitive, what intuitive really means, and that is for you to be in touch with yourself.
Because when you're in touch with yourself, you can feel yourself, you're open, and you can feel yourself on all these different levels simultaneously.
So now, somebody walks in the room, and I'm...
in touch with my vibrational quality.
There's no shortcut.
can't get around this because intuition is not felt either in the head or the heart.
Intuition is a holistic experience of recognizing what's happening without even having to think about it.
just know.
It's a full being, not even body experience, it's a full being experience.
What happens is that as you get to know yourself better and you're open and you're in harmony with your own vibration, what happens, somebody walks into the room, they don't
even have to open their mouth.
And you know 90 % you need to know about them.
And how could that be?
Okay, because you didn't try to figure out anything.
You didn't try to analyze them.
You're not sitting there, okay, here's a checklist.
It's, they walk in the room and they match up with your vibration.
So you can feel where they're coming from.
like, I'll give you an example.
This is like where all the shockers and vibration that you're talking about.
Okay.
Let's cause we, you know, we've talked about like sex in other shows.
let's talk about like somebody who's a sexy person.
Cause they're people are really are sexy people and in sexy people often are very creative people also.
So I'm not saying it in just that obvious way, but for instance, is that if somebody is a very
sexually charged person.
What it means is that they're very strong vibrationally coming out of that second chakra.
Okay.
And they're vibrating very strong there and perhaps even at a balance with the vibrational quality of the rest of their being.
So this is like accentuated.
Okay, so this kind of like, it's just kind of like not an even vibrational quality.
So somebody comes in and I can feel it in my second chakra because that's where I'm getting hit at.
They're hitting me at that vibrational quality.
And you, you've experienced it because a lot of times you'll come, you'll meet somebody for the first time and your first experiences that you don't know anything about them.
It doesn't matter how they dress.
It doesn't matter how they look.
It doesn't matter.
They walk.
You look at them.
And the first thing is,
that's a really smart guy.
That woman's really smart.
And you're almost never wrong because they're hitting you right here.
It's like where they're coming from.
Even if you look at pictures of like National Geographic's different animals and you see the primates and they just like look intelligent.
But there's like this vibrational quality that's coming out of their head.
Yeah.
And you've that's where you feel it.
It's like for instance, check this out if somebody's very intelligent and You immediately recognize that You are acknowledging that mentally you don't feel it in your stomach you
feel it in your head Similarly, let's say you're around somebody who's a very
You know, very, very, a person with a very lot of personal power, ego, self-identification, you know, a politician type.
And you're around them, and they could be smart too, so you could feel it up here, but you kind of feel it in your abdomen.
Or let's say you're around somebody who's a very saintly person, very selfless kind, you you feel it right, you actually feel warm here.
Because...
it's hitting you where you're vibrating as well.
And to the extent that you are open in that area, you'll be able to actually even connect more.
So the way that I interact with people is I don't try to figure anybody out.
There's nothing to figure out.
I know where they're coming from.
They don't have it.
And they're always trying to convince me that this...
It's funny with when I deal with people, they're always trying to convince me what they think I want to hear.
They're trying to show me it doesn't matter because I already know because your your vibrational quality never lies that's how you get to the point that you get to point that
people can't really lie to you or manipulate you because you do because you just you feel it
Right, it's just where you're coming from.
And as you said, people are kind of on to it, but it's just not totally developed because people have these, you know, they feel these vibes coming.
And, you, and you know, for instance, um you know, I think the first time I ever kind of acknowledged this, I think I was much younger, even when I was before into this thing,
there was a friend of mine, I hadn't seen him.
for probably 10, 15 years.
I'm thinking about it.
Everybody's had these stories.
I hadn't seen them in 10 or 15 years, and I'm thinking about them.
And as soon as I think about it and the phone rings, I pick it up and it's him.
How could that be?
And you could say, well, it's a coincidence.
But actually, these higher vibrational qualities can actually travel.
It's very hard to even contain them in time and space.
So, for instance, I could be in China and my wife will be in New York and I'll just pick up the phone and going, yeah, I know.
I'm sorry.
I mean, she's like thinking I can pick this up from like 6,000 miles away.
How could that be?
Nobody sent me a message.
It's that there's something there and you're receptive to it.
But you're receptive to it because you're vibrating with it.
And so, yeah, so as we've talked about many things over the weeks, to me, this is just another aspect of what it is to be a human being, is that part of being a human being or
being in existence and reality is this fact that you are vibrational in quality.
And to the extent that you can actually perceive that in yourself, you
have a greater self-knowledge, you have knowledge of others and you're just ahead of the game.
m
You have no choice whether you like it or not.
You're putting something out there.
Literally.
You've got their parts of your body that have a resonance that have a tone that emit essentially a sound through vibrate through vibration, but everybody does that.
So.
And I always tell people, you know, because a lot of people come and talk to me as counselor.
And one of the things that trips them up is they say, oh, you know, I'm gullible, I'm vulnerable, you know, people take advantage of me, people lie to me, you know, I've been
deceived, I've been betrayed.
No, you haven't.
You betrayed yourself.
Who's lying to you?
Who's betraying you?
It was all there.
You didn't pay attention, but really you were not paying attention to yourself.
Because if you were paying attention to yourself, you would have known.
And you weren't paying attention to yourself because the answer was not outside.
The answer was inside of yourself.
You weren't just feeling yourself.
And you should trust yourself.
I believe very, very strong in first impressions.
People say you can't judge a book by its cover.
I totally disagree.
I think you totally judge a book by its cover.
I totally trust my first impression with somebody and I don't trust anything afterwards because then I'm trying to talk myself out of it because I have found that my first
impression of people is always right.
And I always get wrong when I have some personal interest because I want them to be something other than what I know is true.
But that first hit when I had no personal interest and no agenda, the first hit is always the right hit.
Yeah.
So we do have this.
We do have this uh capability to perceive that and we should trust it.
Right.
Yeah.
mean, do you, in all of your travels, are there other cultures that, where this is more kind of out in open?
Yeah, in different ways.
think that, like in this culture for instance, when I was saying, it was interesting we were, I talking today, I was meeting a woman from Turkey today and we were talking about
different cultures and we were talking about the people in New York and she was saying, I thought it was true though, she was saying that on the one hand,
She felt a lot of freedom here.
But in New York, it's about how much money you have.
And so I think there's some truth and some untruth to that, but I think the truth is, that it's very hard in a place like this ah to totally feel yourself because everything is
pushing you to measure yourself and what's going on outside of yourself.
very hard to, it's challenging to be a reflective person here.
I'll say that.
You can be, but it's challenging.
Right.
I think on the whole, our culture is designed to be outside of yourself, to keep working, to please other people.
um Even though that sounds kind of counterintuitive with the whole capitalist idea, but I think that maybe as a result of that, because not everybody in our society is their own
boss.
A lot of people in our society are employees.
or um on the other end of the deal.
Well, you know, like today, this woman I was telling you about, was telling me there's a place in Turkey, in certain people, a certain place where they live.
And she goes, they kiss the plants and the trees.
And I'm going, but that's really an example of people being in touch with the vibrational quality of things is that here the plants and trees are something that people always in
that beautiful and all, but
They're not in touch with themselves to understand that the plants and the trees are their friends.
I mean, that's a whole different level of interaction and understanding.
mean, that's like beyond, I think even people who environmentalists aren't, I mean, some environmentalists are, but, you know, that has to, it's still kind of a separate
relationship.
It's not really about integration and appreciation.
It's sad.
You know, I think that we have to...
It's not an emotional thing.
It's a vibrational thing.
I was on the subway the other day.
I saw this woman there.
I have seen this woman in my life.
And I just looked at her.
And thank God, I didn't even think about it.
mean, nothing actually came into my head.
It was just in the moment.
I'm there and she just was sitting there.
There's no apparent evidence of anything.
She's just sitting there.
I just looked at it said, it's going to be okay.
And she was like stunned that I would say that to her.
And she kind of was like, like, whoa.
And she goes, uh thank you.
needed somebody to remind me that.
And there wasn't any iota of thought.
It was kind of like, I just felt her.
It just happened.
Yeah.
I've totally had experiences like that too, where it's like, I'll say something and then a second later I'll catch up to what I've just said.
And I'm like, where did that come from?
I mean, for better or worse.
Um, but we all have those moments where you just start kind of just in the flow and it's not, it's not really a feeling of being overpowered either.
Just sort of a feeling of like losing control for a second.
But I thought you just said something like really important because again, these are like cultural terms that get thrown around but are not highly developed.
said about being in the flow.
But actually what does that mean?
Because what we're talking about today I think really gets the heart of it.
You're in the flow when you're in harmony with vibrational.
So there's a vibration to how things are.
You're in the flow when you just kind of going with it.
And then life is carefree.
When you're fighting, you're not quite resonating in the flow.
You're always a step ahead or behind.
Yeah, you're creating dissonance.
It doesn't sound good.
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you know, it's funny.
I'll give you an example of this.
This was so many life stories about flowing and vibration.
So again, I was, this is like a mom story, right?
So I'm in Florida.
Yeah.
vibrational story about mom.
Okay.
So I'm in Florida and she's, she's got a, she's got a new male friend, right?
And so he's very smart guy.
And she tells him that
I was being interviewed for this law job and I didn't get the job, even though it's clear that I have all the qualifications to do it.
This guy was in the academic field and this really was bugging him.
So he's trying to figure out, you know, why I didn't get the job, I get the job where I'm a turban or I didn't have the qualifications.
This was like keeping this guy up at night.
So the guy, you know, he's trying to figure it out.
as if it's like a problem to be solved.
So, you know, I think he was waiting to see me.
So finally he sees me and he says, you know, I heard about this thing.
You're not getting this job.
I was trying to figure it out.
didn't understand this.
So, um, you know, he says, I have a theory and this is this, he's making this big production out of it.
And then he said, I said to him, said to him, you know, uh, I actually know why I didn't get that job.
I go, guy goes, really?
Why?
I said because it wasn't supposed to happen.
Ha!
And now he's like really confused because this is way out of his uh thinking pattern.
But it's like the vibration of the universe is taking me in whatever direction it chooses.
And I have to, I'll do my thing.
By the end of the day, I have to trust that it's taking me where I need to go and not try to swim upstream here.
So if I was supposed to be there, I would have been there.
And if I wasn't supposed to be there, I'm not there.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's a funny story because that guy thought he was doing such a mitzvah worrying over you.
And it's a totally, I mean, about going with the flow.
I think you, you don't necessarily have to think that you're moving towards a destiny or that the universe has something in mind for you.
it's
the quote unquote right direction.
I think it's, I think it's okay to, to just understand it as one of the easiest paths to take and live.
Well, you know, you know what I think it is it's like I agree with you and we've talked about this in other shows that I don't think it's that important really what your theory
or your belief is about it in this case what I think you have to be is an excellent boatsman You know I'm saying is like it's like okay who cares what the theory is It
doesn't matter at the end.
All that matters is is you're going down the stream.
So you got to know how to navigate the river.
Yeah
I think it's knowing that it's a river, it's understanding what happened to you, it's understanding what this world is, what this level is.
mean, this is temporary and you can do what you want with it.
But I think that people need to, they have a right to understand where they are and what the...
what the game is, what the, I keep saying game, I guess what I really mean is like, what the rules are, like what the laws are, what the universe is, what is possible, what we
are.
Well, I think one of the rules and things that you mentioned is that a very important aspect of what we are is our vibrational quality and that once you actually feel it and
understand it is yet another reason not to be afraid to die because once you realize that you are you are
in that whole waveform, you can't destroy energy, can't destroy vibration.
It just doesn't get destroyed.
It manifests, it multiplies, it permeates, you can't kill it.
You can kill many things, but you can't kill life.
In the yogis talk about prana.
What is porn?
Now prana is life force.
That's your life.
So actually that is the difference between you being a human being and you ceasing existing as a human being.
It is just your pranic force.
So there's something that would be called life force that is inhabiting the shell of your body.
The very second that that exits, you no longer are alive.
But
that energy doesn't disappear.
That's why you can't die because your body can die.
Basically the used car that you're inhabiting, that will be discarded.
But the prana is still vibrational in quality and it will no longer inhabit this vehicle.
But you can't destroy it because it's vibrational.
It goes back to the original vibration.
this again, this has to all goes back to people having a deeper appreciation of who they are, that they're just not some lug.
You you're just not taking up space.
Although it would appear that many are doing very well at that, that there's something very, uh very, uh very sparkly.
very vibrational that accompanies you through everything.
you can't, the thing is you can't disassociate from it.
If you disassociate from it, then you feel empty.
Right.
Well, I think that a lot of it is that I think I had a breakthrough moment where I kind of went through the looking glass and I started to understand that when people talk about
vibration and everything that we're talking about, the really big picture of what we're saying here about our being and infinity, that that wasn't metaphor, that that was talking
about a
Re a sense of reality, a certain physical reality, let's say.
Um, I really didn't understand that.
And I think even if somebody had, maybe even if somebody had spelled it out for me, the way that I'm spelling it out right now, I don't know if I, if I even would be able to
grasp that without having an experience of that.
And for me, that was taking mushrooms.
That was a psychedelic experience.
And even though.
you know, it's funny, I, before I took them and people would explain what tripping was like, I would kind of think to myself, gosh, I kind of feel like I'm tripping all the time
or I feel like that's something I just do or I can do or I used to do.
And I thought that I also at the same time thought, wow, that must be a really naive perspective on, um, psychedelic experiences.
So, but that was funny, but now that I've.
had a psychedelic experience, do think that I could say, I have been here before.
This isn't totally, totally a new sensation.
was way more intense.
You know, I mean, it was a full, full on experience and not just like, you know, vibing in the park on a Sunday afternoon, but, um, it was part of the same arena.
I mean, it was the same.
It was.
access through the same kind of points.
And I think that it was an important experience to bring back to the regular world and to try to connect what you feel on just an average day to that kind of out of body
experience.
Yeah, I think when you're talking about tripping, for instance, and I'm going now, I'm stretching way, way back here because I used to like to do that another time in my life.
ah But I think the thing that hooked me with the tripping was this.
And again, it gets back to what we're talking about today is that as a human being, you have five doors of perception.
So you basically see in the world
through five windows, your senses.
That's how you communicate with the outside world and take in information.
That doesn't mean there's not lot more information out there.
know, somebody who's blind has four, but maybe they have, you know, it's really interesting.
mean, I'm diverging a little bit.
It reminds me, you're talking about the five doors of perception.
In India, there is a tradition.
It's really interesting that it's much different than this society is that if you're born into this culture in India and you're born blind, it's considered to be a great blessing.
stigma it's considered to be a blessing because if you're born blind it means that you were born with inner vision okay because because you're not distracted because the out of
vision can be very beautiful but it actually could be very distracting so because you don't have to deal with the stuff that's so distracting the outside you actually have
inner vision and
These people are immediately trained from the time they're born to be Ragis, which are basically people who play Kirtan.
They play devotional music because since they don't have um the outer vision, they have inner vision and an enhanced sense of touch and of healing.
So their other senses kind of are enhanced and now they become these great singers to bring people into another space.
It's very, very, it's very interesting.
So, so this thing is, is that you talk about tripping is that, and I mean, I remember this myself.
I think what I learned from that myself when I was younger, I'm not, again, I'm saying I'm not encouraging anybody to do this because I don't really don't think it's a good idea.
But what I did get is that I found very intriguing was that it clearly
I clearly had the experience of experiencing something that for the first time in my life, I actually experienced something that was outside of my five senses.
So now we're talking about like a sixth sense.
And so to me, this sixth sense is the ability to take in information vibrationally.
That's not one of your like physical senses.
So you, you have to have a very highly developed tuning fork inside because it's not something that's, it's not like your nose, your ears.
It's, it's like a full body experience of being able to, resonate.
It needs you to resonate, it takes, it takes some skill to be able to actually use your own being as a tuning fork.
And this is really what I think that six senses, so people have just like, they talk about the six sense, they just know, but there's no physical evidence, but actually they're
vibrating something, something sensitive in their body that's vibrating the same frequency with what's around them.
So they just know and they just immediately act accordingly.
Yes.
Yeah, I think that's a great way of describing it.
um I think that, I mean, it just sort of exemplifies and brings to life that there are things that are unseen.
And I mean, it makes you feel very much in communion.
um But I think that that experience, it extends to all things.
It extends to.
the world, extends to people you're with in the moment.
I mean, there's reported cases of um telepathy between people.
And I think that that's real.
And I think that um for whatever reason, that experience opens up that door, but I don't think that it's closed.
It's not closed without
Psychedelics you can get there with meditation mindfulness, but for whatever reason psychedelics just kick that door open
Yeah, although the problem with psychedelics isn't a show on drugs necessarily, I just was going to comment, even from my own experience, that the problem, okay, the helpful thing
about psychedelics is what we just talked about, is that it introduces you to the possibility that there's more than meets the eye and your life may be far more expansive
than on first glance.
Okay, and...
and it opens the possibilities.
Okay, so that's very valuable.
The thing that's more problematic is that in and of itself, it is not a lasting experience.
Okay, so it can't sustain itself, which puts a person back into the state of not having it, which could be very frustrating unless a person's very comfortable with themselves,
but a lot of people are frustrated.
Okay, because now they've tasted something that's really
incredible and now they go back in there, you know, going back to the accountant for nine to five minutes, another reality.
It's too much too soon.
So that's exactly what it is, is that to me there, this is what spiritual development and yoga and things like this do is that it kind of like gives you this bigger experience, but
it kind of like brings you along and develops you as a person so that you can integrate it into your life in a productive way.
So just taking a pill.
does and you have an experience doesn't mean that you can actually integrate that experience into your life.
That's very, very problematic.
that's what really causes some people tremendous difficulties with this.
I can, I think I can relate to that.
think that I've, I've seen people who have used the experience.
mean, they, they've, they have the experience and it's not, it's not a frivolous, uh, recreational experience.
They do treat it as a genuine spiritual experience and something that they, changes their life forever.
But, um, I've also seen.
Instances where it does not work out well for people and it I I mean I totally agree with you but I think that for people who Who choose it as a path or choose it as a method and
are Developed enough to handle it.
I think it's a very powerful one because For me, it hasn't brought I mean, it's definitely a high high.
It's definitely not something that I've been able to um
Conjure up on my own since but the door is Not totally closed and I think it shows you at least it showed me that the door is never totally closed.
It was more about me Understanding what these things were, you know, I never understood for instance And I think this is a I think this is a real this is an example of vibration
existing It like when you close your eyes at night
You see geometric patterns and you see them, you know, mean, you essentially see them all the time, but your brain just filters them out.
And I mean, I think it's really interesting that in terms of your perception, you're the information that your eye is sending to your brain is only a fraction of what your brain
cobbles together as the image that you're seeing.
That's right, it cobbles it together.
That's exactly it.
just, happens very quickly.
And, um, I mean, it's, it's, it's creepy.
It's tricky.
mean, I definitely, I, yes.
And your memory is producing itself in your mind.
So anyway, I think that, um, the geometric patterns that you see when you close your eyes are a real example of this thing.
And when you, mean, when you're tripping the, it's, it's very pronounced.
I mean, to the point that you'll be looking at a wall, but
And, know, on a regular day, it's just a plain white wall.
But when you're tripping, you're seeing the cathedrals of Paris, you know, I mean, you're seeing these insane, these very complex patterns.
And I think that that's just because that part of your brain is, is more open.
You're making those connections.
I think you could argue whether like what it is you're actually seeing, whether you're seeing something that inside of your own head or whether.
You, your senses are really heightened and you're looking at the, um, the golden ratio.
You're looking at the fractal geometry that exists in nature is the way that things are.
It's just how things are made around here in this universe.
Um, so I think that's the question, but, um, yeah, for me, it, it revealed and almost like fortified something that
I had been experiencing my whole life and that everybody experiences, you know, and to a greater or lesser extent you wonder about it, you think about it, you use it, you know,
and I think that those senses are there to guide you.
So the more experiences you have of those senses, the more real they become and the more that you inhabit them, the more that you use them in your daily life.
So I just think that this whole vibrational thing, you know, even mentally, you know, this, I don't know if you ever heard of Napoleon Hill.
I I mentioned to you, but a very, very influential writer.
And I would recommend anybody in the audience to read his, he's written some very famous books, like a hundred years ago, like Think and Grow Rich, The Laws of Success, very
influential guy.
And he had this idea.
One of the major foundations of his teachings were this idea of the mastermind.
He said that just about every successful man and woman in the world have used what he called to be the mastermind.
What the mastermind is the conscious uh combination of more than one person to actually take the vibrational
qualities of their minds and actually put them together to create something that's more powerful than the vibration of their own individual mind.
Wow.
So they would visualize this and this is the vibration that they.
they just actually just choose to collectively put their vibrations together.
And actually it's a really interesting story and he claims that when the United States transformed itself into industrial society, that the people we even know to this day,
Rockefeller, Flagler, Carnegie,
Melon those guys these big, you know, they owned all the yeah, they were all friends Yeah, but it wasn't just that they were friends who kind of kind of plotted together to jointly
do it they actually had the conscious intent that We are going to this small group of people.
We are going to collectively join our energies and our mental vibration
to to actually run the United States
So are you talking about the Illuminati right now?
Are you talking about...
Any group, any group, any group of people, it's like any church, anything, it's this, so when people pull, pull their vibrational quality, gets, you, anywhere from, you know, I go
to India and go to the Golden Temple, and there's this energy there.
So you think that, okay, it's 300 years, for 24 hours a day, for 300 years, thousands of people have been in this very small place.
and all I've done is pray.
Okay.
That's very vibrational.
So when you there, you feel this vibrational quality that's startling.
Okay.
Then I could be watching a propaganda film of the Nazis in the thirties.
You have Hitler up there and you've got tens of thousands.
It's powerful stuff.
Not so enlightening, but everybody's kind of pulling their vibrational quality.
but it's not really coming from a very high place, but it's very powerful.
So powerful that we all know what they did.
But it's actually, it's not so much that it's just people working together towards a common goal.
It's actually that as human beings, they all have a vibrational quality.
They all pool their vibrational quality and now there's an ocean of it.
Yes.
All right, so this is any this you go to football stadium and go to a bowling game, you know, it's like I've actually seen this.
I've been in a sport.
I'm a big sports fan.
I've seen this and I've actually seen a crowd will a team to win.
You see it all.
And why is it you ever watch the Olympics?
Really interesting.
You watch the Olympics every four years.
And how is it that a team like from England that never wins a medal now is winning medals?
Every time uh a country hosts the Olympics, you haven't noticed that even if they've never won a medal, now they're winning medals.
How are they winning medals?
It's not like somebody is throwing the games there.
It's kind of like the athletes are like being willed to win.
But the energy around them is like so intense that they actually will this person to win that never should be winning.
You see it all the time.
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's what people talk about the power of prayer, but I also.
Our vibration power, positive thinking, the secret.
It's all the same thing.
And I, you know, it's really actually one of the most, it's very, it's, see it kind of in lots of religions too, or, or basic ethics.
And I mean, it really says that.
your thoughts and feelings about a certain thing become manifest.
know, so whether you look at that from a very personal perspective, like if you have bad feelings about yourself, those things will start to take root and become true.
It's true with your family, your friends, your community, your world.
And that's really, I mean, so whatever your thoughts are become manifest so they can be positive, they can be negative.
And the thoughts are vibrational.
And it's just, and even some thing that's more about kindness.
Yeah.
How many, mean, how many times has anybody said in their life, you know, that really touched me.
You touched me, but they actually did.
I mean, it's not just saying they actually felt.
It might, it's not a metaphor.
You actually were touched because like, for instance, a human being, the place that you normally.
get the strongest feeling as a human being, because it's like where everything intersects.
As a human being is at your heart.
That's the inter...
as a human being, the thing that really makes you human being is your heart, because that's where all the other things kind of intersect.
It's right in the middle.
And it's right here.
And so something touches you, you actually feel it in your chest.
And what you're feeling is...
that same thing coming, you're resonating with somebody else who has exactly the same, he's a brother, a sister in the world and there's another human being, there's something
that happened and you're touched because it actually resonates at the exact same frequency that your heart chakra resonates.
So you feel it at this very, very infinite deep level right in the chest.
So you go, wow, that really touched me.
And so people don't, it doesn't change anything because you know, it's fine.
You don't need an explanation for everything, but ah it's just good to know that your, your whole body is like a tuning fork and you, there is these vibrational qualities.
And to the extent that you devote your life to opening yourself up and being conscious, you're able to be in touch with yourself, with others.
and really experience the vibrational quality of your true being.
Vibrations are real.
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