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Hey everybody, we are live. It is Tuesday night, February 10th. I've got

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Rory Paquette joining me at the Poduty Live Podcast Theater.

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I am am on— I in Pittsburgh. Rory, where are you calling in from? I'm

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coming from northern Indiana, brother. It's really cold up here, lots of snow.

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We just had -15 yesterday and we had 55

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today, so we had like a 70-degree swing. I'm

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waiting for all the water pipes to break. Yeah, exactly. That's a hold my beer

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moment, right? You know, where you can't have this temperature and the other one all

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at the same time, but Yeah, yeah. So it's— we've had maintained really,

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really cold up here. So good snow, lots of frozen stuff. Oh yeah, it's

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been— it was brutal. The river has been frozen solid, and just in one

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day we have like— it's all a series of navigable lakes

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really, is what rivers are anymore. They're just locks and dams around here.

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And so they were frozen solid Sunday night.

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Today there's just like waterfalls of

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icebergs going over the edge of the dams. It's pretty crazy.

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That's That's Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh in the spring. There you go. Almost spring, I guess.

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Well, I've got 6 stories coming your way about live podcasting.

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Rory, I just have one question for you, which I didn't prep you for. I

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usually prep my guests for— you're allowed to say whatever you want. Okay. I always

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ask my guests, Rory, do you know what time it is? Uh,

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it's time for our stories, I assume. That's perfect.

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What time is it? Oh, oh.

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It'S time for Poduty and

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The News. Poduty and the News, the only live news podcast about

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podcasting from the stage. Poduty and the

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News. Poduty and the News. The only live news podcast about podcasting

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from the stage. Oh,

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the theme song's really just the sneaky way for me to get from the control

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room to the stage. And Rory from THE Podcaster

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Nation, welcome to the show. Thank you, brother. I appreciate

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being here. Can't wait. Uh, so glad to have you here. We got 6 stories

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coming your way. And this isn't the first time we met. I was actually— I

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got to be a guest on your show. And I was looking back at the

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dates. The episode came out June 2nd.

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But 3 days prior to that, I tore my Achilles riding

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a skateboard on Memorial Day. So I was

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down and out. I was probably under severe

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medication when the show came out, but not

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when we recorded. It was a great episode. We had a great conversation.,

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and I really enjoyed it. So tell people about the, THE Podcaster Nation.

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Yeah, thanks, man. Uh, it was a great episode. I had a blast talking to

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you. So when you said, hey, you know, come on this show, I was like,

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okay, when? I'm there. It was wonderful. So, um, yeah,

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Podcaster Nation is, uh, one of my 7 podcasts that I currently have up

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and running, and, um, it's my second biggest one.

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Podcaster Nation is for any podcaster out there, uh, to come on

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and sort of give their, their story. It's a chance for them to get out

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of the hosting chair, get into the guesting chair, and instead instead of having to,

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you know, tell everybody else's story, you get to tell your own. And so your

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audience gets to learn about you a little bit. But it's been a very

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successful project so far, and we've built a great community around it. It's been a

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lot of fun. I do like how it's THE

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Podcaster Nation. It reminds me of like, like NFL football where they

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introduce like THE Ohio State.

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That's exactly right. And I wanted to do that on purpose. It's all capital letters

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THE Podcaster Nation, because, you know, at the time there wasn't another one.

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And in case there ever is another one, it won't be THE Podcaster

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Nation. So that's like a lot of people just add like the number

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1 to the end of their handle, but then you wonder, is that, is that

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the original, or is that just the cop— that's the first copy of it? But

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when you're The Podcaster Nation, nobody can doubt

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that. That's right, man. Well, awesome. I'll put the links

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to the show, even I'll put the links to the show that I was on

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too. We'll give a couple links Back to the Podcaster Nation, so you can get

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a flavor for the show. If you're familiar with me already, it might be a

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great introduction. And then go in there. I think I was episode like

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79-ish. There's a ton more episodes. I think

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you're over 100, and you're nearing probably— what did I see,

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130 on there? We're about 180 now, actually.

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180. I'm way off. It's OK. We moved

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to 5 days a week publishing. And now we're currently 7

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days a week publishing. So, you know, it escalated in a

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hurry after you and I did our episode. Is it all because of

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us? I think that you were the cause, the causality

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of all of it there, brother. I'm the cause of something, whether it's—

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I don't know what that thing is, but I'm ready to get into the stories.

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Are you ready to go? Oh, 100%. I can't wait. And

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one of the ones the fans love the most are stories that I

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can't pronounce. So this one happened in Amsterdam, and I

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can't read the title. I had to have it translated to even get a description

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here. But something interesting is happening in Amsterdam. There isn't a

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soccer match anywhere on the schedule. Ajax supporters are

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filling the streets around Liedseplein wearing

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jerseys, singing songs, and showing up with the same energy

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you'd expect on game day. But instead of heading to the stadium,

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they're walking into Delamar Theater to see a live

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taping of the Packshaw podcast. This isn't a one-off

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experiment. The show has already sold out rooms like D. Mel

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Quigg and D. Klein Comedy, and now

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it's back at Delamar for a second time. What matters

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here isn't Ajax or even the podcast itself. What

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matters is that fans showed up on a night with no game because the

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podcast became a place where the community gathers.

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This is a— this is what smaller podcasters should pay attention to. You don't need

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a massive audience. You need a group of people who care enough to leave their

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house, wear the jersey, and show up together. That's the difference between

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listeners and a real fan base. And that difference

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changes everything. And one of the things that we talk about in this

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theater is getting people out of their house,

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getting people to come to a place to enjoy a night out.

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Sharing like-minded thoughts, sharing comedy, sharing

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stories together, and in a place where you can connect

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one-on-one. And that's what we're seeing a lot with sports entertainment. We're

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seeing these podcasts. They, they they go, do pregame shows, they

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do postgame shows. Right now, every update you see about

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podcasting in sports right now is going to be covering the big game that

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happened yesterday. So podcasts are a great way

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to bring community together. Whether it's sports related like this show

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in Amsterdam where you're meeting the players and you're talking about the game you

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love, or just whatever you're into, there are people like

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you in your own neighborhood. You can connect with them. I love

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that that is going on the way it is. I thought that was really cool

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when I got to read that story. You know, right now we're all craving connection,

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brother. I mean, we haven't recovered from 2020. You know, when

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all of our connection got taken away, we all kind of went, wow, this is

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life without connection. Now we're going, hey, How do we get our connection back?

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And social media has, you know, kind of structured us in a way where we're

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into niches and we're into groups and we have common, you know, interests.

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So something like this where it's all the fans of a ball team, you know,

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coming together, I think that's wonderful. And they're just getting together to sit there and

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talk about it right on a podcast. I think it's beautiful. I mean, if you're

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a fan of something and there's an event going on on an off night, there's

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not a game, maybe it's, you know, in between traveling or the season's over

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or our next story is going to be happening during the All-Star break,

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what better way than to go to a pub or, you know, a local community

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center, hanging out with fans of the same team that you all love,

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meeting some of the players, maybe getting some autographs or, or tell them

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about your favorite play that you saw them do. You just can't

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recreate that with an MP3 file that gets downloaded once a week.

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This this is, is a real life experience that you get. You can only

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get by being there in the moment. I could not agree with you more.

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I think it's fantastic that they're doing it. I think you're going to see a

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lot more of this, and I think it's a great avenue for independent, independent

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podcasters to start, you know, sort of taking, taking note of

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in their subject matter, you know, when with stuff that they talk about,

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wherever there are big events going on that they want to sort of piggyback on

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or, you know, be in addition to, you know, where there's interest, you're

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going to have participation and where there's participation and you've got success.

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And they got a great one. Another sports podcast coming up, doing another live show.

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This one actually is during the NBA All-Star Weekend.

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Draymond Green is taking The Draymond Green Show out of the podcast

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feed and into a real room. The show is going live in

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Los Angeles from the Odyssey Sound Space, giving fans the chance

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to be in the room for a conversation they won't hear

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anywhere else. This isn't just about star power. It's about

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timing, access, and experience. Draymond didn't add another

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episode to the feed. He created a moment tied to NBA

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All-Star Weekend and turned it into something exclusive. Smaller

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podcasters should pay attention here. You don't need millions of listeners

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to do this. You need a reason for people to show up, a

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window of opportunity, and a clear promise that being there

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live is different than listening later. This is how

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podcasts stop being background noise and start

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becoming events. I love it. And as long as nobody disagrees with

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Draymond while they're in that room, I think they're probably safe.

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He's a little volatile, you know, but, uh, but I think it's fantastic

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again. And he's doing the same thing that soccer guys are in a lot of

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ways, and that he's sort of piggybacking on this huge interest in the sport that

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he's involved with and inviting everybody when you can't go see the game to come

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in and talk about it., right? So you can still experience it. Piggyback— that's, that's

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a word that we hear on this show a lot. And it's just thinking about—

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there used to be a saying back in the early blogging days called

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newsjacking. And newsjacking was a way to take a headline,

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hurry up and write a blog post about it, and then try to get it

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ranked in Google, in the search engines, really quick. And

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if you think about that, how the world has turned, how social media has

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changed the world, We're moving so fast with the information

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that we're putting out that now those blog posts have

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become these real-life events with podcasters. So we saw

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one with the— I think the Carolina Panthers

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quarterback did a pregame show from the parking

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lot. We're seeing Draymond Green tie into NBA All-Star

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Weekend. That piggyback technique that Rory's talking about,

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that's something you can do in any industry. If there's something that somebody

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is talking about that's related to what you do, see if you can

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inject yourself into that conversation. Can you be part of that event?

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Maybe the first year you just volunteer and then the next

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year you get invited back to do something else. But, you know, find out where

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these conversations are happening and put yourself in the middle of those

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conversations. Absolutely. You know, and I think the volunteering part is,

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is a pretty big deal, too. I mean, I'm all in favor of podcasters getting

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paid for their work 100%. But if you're trying to break into something new, you

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know, you offer it up. You know, you go out and you say, hey, I

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want to do, I want to give before I get. And when you do stuff

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like that, then people are very receptive. It's usually an open door and it's going

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to be a great way to get get in, in there and get started. Being

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part of the community, it really can open doors for you. You can make the

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right connections and that's a choice that you want to make because you want to

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get into that community and make those connections. But if somebody just wants to pay

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you in exposure, that's a different conversation that you might want to have with

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the organizer. But using, you know, using what you've already

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built, the asset of your media that you've created,

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to open doors to get into conferences, to get media passes

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even. Sometimes that exchange is you might get free attendance to the

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conference in exchange that the conference expects you to create content while

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you're there. And that's a great exchange. Sometimes that can save you hundreds of

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dollars just by getting that pass because you've built an

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audience who cares about the same things that that conference is talking about.

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Oh, 100%. And then let's not forget the fact that you are, like you said,

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actually making content while you're there that you then get to repurpose and

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use over and over in your you own, know, sort of exploits. So I mean,

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you you can't, can't find that kind of great content, um, everywhere and on accident.

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Sometimes you have to go out and you got to be purposeful about it. Use

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what you built, open those doors, make those connections, and

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soon you might be in Cork, Ireland on the main

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stage This is Irish broadcaster Ryan Tooberty

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is taking his podcast, The Bookshelf Live, onto one of

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Cork's biggest stages, the Cork Opera House.

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Tickets range from €35 to €40, and the

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show is being billed as a one-night-only live experience where

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the audience doesn't just listen, they participate. This

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matters because it isn't a tour stop built around a flashy set or

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heavy production. It's built around conversation,

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storytelling, and access. The audience gets something they can't get from

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the podcast feed, including the chance to ask questions live.

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For smaller podcasters, this is an important reminder: you don't

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need spectacle to justify ticket prices. You need

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trust, a clear point of view, and a format that invites people into

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podcast as a shared experience, and not just

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content being consumed. And we talk

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about these nights out for when you go to see a live podcast. And

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in the theater space that I'm in right now, most of the time tickets are

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$10. This one here he is— is a—

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he's a major broadcaster in Ireland. He's very well known. He's like the

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Johnny Carson of Ireland. And his tickets are $30.

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They start at $30 or €30. To have a night

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out, to experience this person that you've seen on TV 1,000

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times, to sit in the same room while they interact

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and, you know, with the audience, they take Q&A, they take questions from

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the audience and comments and feedback. You get to see that all happen

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in real time for $30. You're out,

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you know, you have the worst night of your life, you're only out like, you

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know, the cost of a nice dinner. It's not too bad.

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Absolutely. I love this particular story. I mean, not all of them. This

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is the one that I kind of kept coming back to because, you know, I

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work with podcasters directly in a lot of ways. And one of the issues that

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we have as podcasters is we never see our own value. You know, we are

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programmed to think we have to do everything for free all the time, give it

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all away, and, you know, sort of get walked on in the process. I'm a

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big advocate for the fact that we should have value. This guy's charging a ticket

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a ticket price, a good healthy ticket price to come be a part of this.

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And as far as being a part of it, who doesn't want to be part

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of a podcast? Who doesn't want to be a guest on a podcast, right?

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It's a completely different avenue. It's a different type of media.

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I try to explain to people it's different than comedy. It's different than

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music. It's something that it only happens

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once. Like we talk about comedians, they work on an act

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and they take that act from town to town. Musicians play the same

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15 songs in every town. But when you go to see

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a live podcast, that show is only ever gonna happen

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one time in front of that audience at that city with

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that content. You can't take that show, do it tonight in Pittsburgh,

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and then Rory and I can't go to Cleveland tomorrow and do these same 6

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stories over again. It's done. And the fact that you can see

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a once-in-a-lifetime performance for for just €30,

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€40. To me, that's like the most impressive thing about live

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podcasting. It's, it's, it's a unique experience. It can't

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be repeated again. If you're there, you're there and you get get

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to, you to witness something that will never happen again. I love the

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way you said that. You know, you never get a second chance to have your

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first conversation with somebody, and that's where you have all that discovery.

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That's where you're both kind of legitimately and authentically wowed by

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the questions that come out and the answers to them. And so, you know, when

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you can have that, that just raw, real talk with somebody,

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that first time you have it is the gold. And that's, that's why you can

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only do it once, because our podcasting platform is

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the most personal media in the world. A lot of

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people listen to their podcast on their morning commute or while they're

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working out. A lot of times it's passive listening. It's just on in the background

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as, as a comforting agent. You get to hear that voice while you're you know,

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doing the dishes, running the sweeper, cleaning up the house, maybe even studying.

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even though all those times you might have felt like you were sitting in the

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room with that podcaster, you don't know what they look like or their facial

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expressions or how they react. But when you see that come to

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life right in front of you and you, you see that person in the

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flesh, like, you're like, oh my goodness, I've listened to probably

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500 hours of their podcast, and now I'm sitting in a room

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with them. It really changes the way and your

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perception of what you think a podcast can be and how a

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podcast can impact you. You've had all those other hours

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of experience or interaction, but you've never sat in

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the room with that person and seen how the

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sausage was made. 100%. And I mean, I'm sure I'm not alone

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in that. I'm a guy who talks back to the podcast all the time when

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I'm listening to it. You know, I'll make a comment on what they said or

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I'll answer the question they ask, you know, because I feel like I'm in the

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room with them, like you said. But how cool would it be to actually be

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in the room and be able to answer that question and have them go, oh,

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great answer, Rory. Hey, that's fantastic. Thanks for contributing. You know, that'd be really,

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really cool instead of just, you know, yelling at the, you know, the MP3 all

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day. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to get a high five like, hey, Jeff, that was

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a good one. Come up here. High five. You're not getting that from an

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MP3 file. Right on. Well, you're also not

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getting that if you— unless you're going to the Binance

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Blockchain Week. This podcast wasn't recorded in a

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studio or a home office. It was recorded at Binance Blockchain

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Week, right in the middle of a major industry event.

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The host used the moment to sit down with Elena

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Afanasyeva, founder of and CEO of

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BeInCrypto, to talk about branding, trust, and what happens

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when platforms like Google changed the rules overnight.

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The value here isn't the topic alone, it's the positioning. By

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showing up where the conversation was already happening, the podcaster gained

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access to a high-level voice and created content that instantly

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carried authority. Conferences, festivals, and industry events

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aren't just networking opportunities, they're content engines.

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When you record live in those spaces, your podcast becomes part of the

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moment instead of reacting to it later. That's how

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smaller shows can punch above their weight. I love

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that. It's a lot like, you know, when we used to listen to those, those

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tracks growing up of, you know, the— it was the live version

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of the Van Halen song versus, you know, the recorded version in the

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studio. You know, the recorded version of the studio is great. It rocks. It's fantastic.

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But you know that the live version, they're like crawling the walls and they're like

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going across the floor upside down with the guitar on their head, you know, and

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you can hear the people cheering and everything else. So, you know, doing it live

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at a conference where you have just a different sound and a different feel and

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there's just that energy that's in the air that you can actually capture into the

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podcast. I, I just think I'm getting electric just thinking about it because I

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just think that'd be fantastic to go through. Uh, yeah, I cite those—

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when I grew up in the '80s and '90s and I had cassettes, and

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when a live cassette came out, even though you've heard that band on the radio

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for the last 6 months, but now their live album came out

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with the same songs they've been touring with all year, there was something

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electric, something special about that live recording,

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hearing the crowd noise, the chanting, the clapping, the, the

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oohs and the ahs. And you don't get that from the studio sound, but

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you felt like you were in the moment. And, and I think that's something that

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live podcasting is offering people is one,

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as somebody up here on stage, I'm getting real-time feedback.

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I'm going to find out real fast, am I funny? Is the crowd reacting

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to this or are they just sitting on the phone? But from the crowd,

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they're also getting immersed in that moment of how that

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podcast is created. So it's really both sides of the coin

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are getting something so unique and so special that just like Rory

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says, it really captures those '80s like glam rock,

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heavy metal live concert albums. I think

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that's really what podcasting is doing today with, with these live

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events, bringing people together and they're screaming, clapping, and

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they're doing the oohs and ahs, you know, back and forth between the

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stage and the audience. You're killing me, brother. I got like shivers going down

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my spine right now thinking about that, just being at one of those events,

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the electricity that you have from being at a concert. But you get it through

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podcast, you get it through that. The other thing that I love about this is

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that I'm always telling podcasters that there are no rules. So, you

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know, if you want to go do a podcast, you know, in a room, if

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you want to go do it out at some live event, if you want to

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go out to a park and do it, You know, don't worry about what your

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backdrop looks like. Don't worry about how your sound is. If you're doing a special

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episode, go have fun, really enjoy yourself, and that's going

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to transfer over. Your listeners are going to catch that. They're going to feel that

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from you. I just think that encouraging us as

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podcasters to go out and do these types of things— wonderful. Absolutely love

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it. Yeah, I do this. I tell people the same thing. Get

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out, try new things, expand what you think a podcast can be

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or where you think a podcast has to be recorded. There are

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enough editing tools now that can clean up so much of that

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background noise. If you think you're getting drowned out, there are

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tools, free tools even, that'll clean up your audio for

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you. There's things that'll level your audio for you for free. There's, there's

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so many things that we could show you. I'll just— you ask me like, hey,

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I did show, I did it, I did a an episode in a park, but

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all I can hear are dogs barking and then crickets. Well, there's ways to

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eliminate all that background noise. So, you know, start to push the

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limits. Start to figure out where can you record your podcast.

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Can you go to a coffee shop or an ice cream parlor? Can you go

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to a park or a stage or sit by a creek and even just

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record your thoughts? All these things are now possible with

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how portable our technology is. And, and this is a great example

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of a crypto podcast going to a

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crypto conference, recording with CEOs of

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crypto companies. There's no better way to put yourself in the middle

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and really piggyback off of that conference than to take your

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conference— take your podcast to the exact conference that talks

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about the things that you talk about on your podcast. Love it. Absolutely love

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every minute of that. Every single thing you just said, man. I'm over here just

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pulsating thinking about being in that room. So, uh, love it.

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I should have warned you, I'm very bullish on live events.

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I can see why, man. I can feel it. So yeah, 100%.

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I love— I really do love this. And this next one, we're going to push

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the boundaries a little bit. I started to include live streams as part of this,

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not just live performances. And this one isn't necessarily a podcast,

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but it's a live stream about something people love.

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So I don't know if you can see a theme that's going on here tonight,

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but This is the World of Warcraft. People love, love this game. And

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on February 21st, World of Warcraft is hosting a massive

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live community event in Toronto called Northern

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Live, celebrating the launch of World of Warcraft

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Midnight. The event is free to attend, livestreamed

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globally, and packed with live programming that looks a lot like

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podcasting, even though no one is calling it that. There are

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live shows, competitions, creator segments,

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interviews, and audience interaction happening in both the

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room and online through Twitch. This is

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important for smaller podcasts because it shows how content, community,

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and live experiences are blending together. Blizzard, the

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maker of World of Warcraft, isn't leading with episodes or

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downloads. They're leading with participation. The takeaway is that

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live content works best when it feels like an event not just a

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recording. When people know something is happening at a specific

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time with real interaction and shared energy, they

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show up. That's the kind of thinking podcasters should be

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borrowing right now. I

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absolutely agree with you 100%. You know, whenever you're

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doing any kind of livestream at all, it's just a different vibe. know, It's,

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you I do a lot of livestreams, a lot of different groups that I'm a

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part of, and we go live and it's at a certain time. People know I

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need to show up. I want to be there. They get a chance to be

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part of the conversation. They get a chance to interact, you know, with everybody else

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who's enjoying it. So it's a community event and it's an

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opportunity for everybody to just be active and part of of of

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the, the, the production, you know. Yeah. If you're you're into— if in

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Toronto, I'm in Tarentum. Tarentum Pennsylvania, but Toronto, Canada,

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there were some general admission tickets. I think all the VIPs

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were taken. But think of what's happening here.

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This this is, is a video game release. That's putting together

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a night like what we thought television was and what

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podcasting is in a live environment. There's interviews and, and

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conversations happening on stage, and they're live

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streaming all that out to the world. It's basically a live podcast,

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but they're— they are the media company, this Blizzard

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Entertainment. They are creating this event. They're bringing in

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fans, making it immersive in what they do and love. And

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they're broadcasting that out to the world. They are

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literally their own media company producing their

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own content about the game that the people are there to play and

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get at the release time.

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That's the ultimate— for me, this is like the ultimate pinnacle of promotion

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and bringing community together in this once-in-a-lifetime

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immersive event. Yeah, 100%. I know a

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buddy of mine who does this sort of thing with some smaller

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Comic-Cons. You know, he has huge groups that he's part of

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that follow him that are, you know, they talk about superheroes and they talk about

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all the different movies that are out and the books and the graphic novels and

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all that. And he'll go set up outside of a Comic-Con and catch people coming

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and going and just get real reactions, you know, about questions and things like

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that. That's the best way to get a hold of some of these folks. And

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he has had some like you know, big name stars, just because they happen to

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be walking by, they'll stop and talk for a minute. Whereas, you know, if you

443
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would have tried to get, you know, Chris Hemsworth on his podcast, chances are you

444
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would have gone through 18 layers of PR and finally got a no. So, you

445
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,280
know, it works out when you take the risk. Yeah, like TMZ at the LA

446
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,680
airport, you just ambush them when they get off the plane.

447
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,960
We don't recommend— the Poduty Live Podcast Theater does not recommend stalking celebrities.

448
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Disclaimer real quick. Disclaimer.

449
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Well, our last story tonight, it goes so fast, and

450
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this one is one of those ones that's a button pusher. I, I I wanted—

451
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love talking about podcasting, and I, I've really loosened up my

452
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definition of a podcast, but I think this one might go too far.

453
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And, and a lot of critics are saying the same thing, and there's a lot

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of commentary in the podcast community about is this a podcast

455
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or just cheap TV? And this I don't want to take anything away from Pete

456
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Davidson. I think he's a great comedian, but I think

457
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Netflix running with this as a podcast, let's find out if it's

458
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problematic or not. And this story asks a question that feels

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unavoidable in 2026. What exactly is considered

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a podcast anymore? Pete Davidson has a new show on Netflix

461
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that's being labeled a podcast, but it looks, feels, and

462
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behaves a lot more like low-cost television.

463
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It's a— it's shot cinematically, edited like a TV show, and

464
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distributed exclusively on a closed platform.

465
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The podcast label here isn't about format or distribution.

466
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It's about cost control and convenience. That matters because

467
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podcasting used to mean something specific. It meant audio

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first, open distribution, and independence from traditional media

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systems. Now the word is being stretched so far that it

470
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risks meaning nothing at all. Smaller podcasters should pay attention,

471
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not to copy this model, but to understand why the opportunity—

472
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or, but to understand the opportunity. When big platforms blur the

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definition, independent creators get clarity. A

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podcast doesn't need celebrity cameras or streaming deals to

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matter. What separates a podcast from cheap TV isn't production

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value, it's ownership, access, and the relationship with the

477
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audience. If podcasting becomes a label anyone

478
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can slap on content, then independent podcasters

479
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need to be clear about what they're actually building.

480
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And I'd just like to disclaimer on this. Sometimes I let

481
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ChatGPT write the teleprompter script for me, and it

482
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really went on a rant on this one. I'm reading the—

483
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I did— I may should have proofed this a little better, but, uh, it

484
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really said everything I would have said, but it really went off on a tangent.

485
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You know, I think we've been dealing with this for years, though. We started off,

486
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you know, you and I have been around for a while. We started off with

487
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audio podcasts, and an audio podcast was a podcast. A

488
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video podcast was, you know, a YouTube channel, or it was

489
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some other kind of thing, or it was vlogging, you know, when it first came

490
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out. There's always been kind of a difference there.

491
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Now the lines have been blurred to where, you know, hey, a YouTube channel can

492
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still be a podcast. I think at this point, the way I look at

493
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things, it's just strictly from my standpoint, is that

494
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whether or not something's a podcast is more about the intention. I

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think it's more about the intention, not only of the host but of the listener.

496
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We build podcasts around community, around shared interest, and

497
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:35,940
around almost a sense of family. That's what podcasts are.

498
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That's what successful podcasts are now. And I think that if we use

499
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that as a guideline, I think we can kind of decide what's a podcast and

500
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what's not. I'm not a big fan of Davidson, but I also

501
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don't really think this comes anywhere near a podcast. I think they know

502
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it's not a good production and they're trying to label it as something else so

503
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they can get away with it. That's just my opinion. Yeah.

504
00:30:56,550 --> 00:31:00,310
And that does fit the bill when you get these, these giant corporate deals

505
00:31:00,310 --> 00:31:03,150
like, hey, how are we going to save this? Let's just call it a podcast.

506
00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:06,870
It's not. So in that regard, that's a little insulting to

507
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:09,890
podcasters everywhere, but it's, it, It's also,

508
00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:14,450
where are we pushing that definition? And it's a lot of things that you're

509
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:17,410
talking about. When I start to think about what is a podcast,

510
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,890
it has changed so much and evolved. And I've come to

511
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:25,610
mostly favor content that's produced by independent

512
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:29,170
creators. I don't care so much about the Netflixes and the now

513
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:33,010
Hulus in on podcasting, and HBO does podcasting for their

514
00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:36,590
TV shows. I'm not so worried about that. But when it comes time

515
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:40,350
to judge who I'm gonna side with, no matter what

516
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:44,110
they create or how they create it or how they distribute it, if it's somebody

517
00:31:44,110 --> 00:31:47,870
who's an independent creator who's out there, you know, pushing their own

518
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:51,470
limits, they're, they're doing new things, and they're,

519
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:55,070
they're in control of their destiny, they're in control of the

520
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:58,550
ownership of their media, that's who I'm gonna side with no matter

521
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,370
what they want to call a podcast. I, I'm just a big I

522
00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:05,930
grew up skateboarding and punk rock, as a full disclaimer. So I'm a big

523
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:09,730
DIY independent guy. So my kind of line has

524
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:13,570
shifted from it doesn't have to just be an MP3 file distributed

525
00:32:13,570 --> 00:32:17,410
by an RSS feed to an aggregator app. It can be something

526
00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:21,170
more than that. As long as you're creating it and passionate about it,

527
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:24,770
I'll accept the boundaries that you want to call a podcast.

528
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:29,370
Totally agree. I actually think that we should be ranked differently as

529
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,150
well, kind of like they have different divisions in you

530
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:36,590
know, football in college, right? You know, you don't have like the big, you know,

531
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:40,230
1A guys going against the 4A college, you know, for the national championship.

532
00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:43,710
Uh, I, I really think that, you know, all the guys with the corporate backing

533
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:47,550
and the corporate support and the $5,000 lighting per episode and, you know, the

534
00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:51,150
national marketing budget, they're not really competing for number one

535
00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:54,230
spot with, you know, people like us, you know, people who are out there really

536
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:57,950
trying to do independent work. So I agree with you completely. I think we're very

537
00:32:57,950 --> 00:33:01,550
aligned and on that particular topic. Yeah, I'm sitting

538
00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:03,750
under $90 of lights and it shows.

539
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:11,030
So yeah, I think what Netflix is doing here is

540
00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:14,590
really pushing beyond what I can even accept as the

541
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:18,230
definition of a podcast. And I think the consensus for everybody who knows

542
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:22,070
anything about podcasting is like, hey Netflix, let's dial it back a

543
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:25,660
little bit. Completely, absolutely, 100%. With you.

544
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:29,700
Awesome. Roy, this was so much fun. I told you it

545
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,340
goes so fast. It's already 35 minutes into the show.

546
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:37,460
I got one last thing. I turn the floor over to you. I let you

547
00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:41,140
plug, promote, talk about anything you'd like to talk about. Roy, the

548
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:44,940
floor is yours. Well, I appreciate that, man. for— Thanks thank you

549
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:48,740
for having me. This was a blast, a great conversation, and it's

550
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:51,900
always fun talking about this thing that we all love called podcasting. So thanks for

551
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,740
that. But, you know, I guess in terms of, you know, plugging and promoting,

552
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,080
I I just want to promote that, you know, I love this. I love what

553
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,680
I'm doing. And I'm a podcast coach. You know, I like to work one-on-one with

554
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,280
people to help them achieve their dreams, you know, of being able to do this

555
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,160
full-time. I'm one of the few guys out there that gets to do this as

556
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,640
a full-time living, and I don't have another job. This is it,

557
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,160
brother. So it's, it's big for me, but I want other people to be able

558
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,560
to achieve that as well. And, you know, there's ways to do that without just

559
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,120
following the same, you know, sort of checking the boxes that

560
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,939
everybody else wants you to check. I'm also really big as a

561
00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:30,739
podcast advocate. And, you know, I'm sorry, but it is time for

562
00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:34,579
podcasters everywhere to take the cuffs off and stop

563
00:34:34,579 --> 00:34:37,979
trying to be like everybody else. Stop trying to be perfect. Stop editing yourself to

564
00:34:37,979 --> 00:34:41,458
death and just go out there, have fun, throw it against the wall, see if

565
00:34:41,458 --> 00:34:45,219
it'll stick and create something really cool, really original, because

566
00:34:45,219 --> 00:34:47,859
that's how we started. And I think when we get back to that, we're going

567
00:34:47,859 --> 00:34:51,659
to see so many more independent folks having success. So other

568
00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:55,099
than that, anybody who wants to look me up, I have 7 podcasts now, 2

569
00:34:55,099 --> 00:34:58,920
more coming up by the end of the month, and hopefully a 10th sometime in

570
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,560
mid-March. Look me up on Facebook. I'm an old guy, that's where I'm at,

571
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,200
@RoryPaquette on Facebook. You can reach me about anything.

572
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Awesome, thank you so much. I'll put all those links in the show

573
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,800
notes. I, I try to tell people, for whatever reason, I still like

574
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,440
Facebook. I still check it regularly. I don't know why.

575
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,160
I'm holding on. Maybe it's the Gen X blood in me, but

576
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,070
I'll probably ride Facebook until the servers crumble. Right

577
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:29,870
on, until it dies. I got one last question for you. Do

578
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:33,670
you know what time it was? It was time for Poduty and the

579
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:36,990
News, bro. The only live news

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00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:44,510
podcast about podcasting from

581
00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:01,130
the stage. Poduty and the News? Poduty

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and the News?

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The only live news podcast about

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