1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,259 Now we live in a virtual reality. 2 00:00:02,259 --> 00:00:06,620 This physical universe we call our physical universe, I guess that's 3 00:00:06,620 --> 00:00:08,190 our name for it, a physical universe. 4 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:09,430 It's a virtual reality. 5 00:00:09,430 --> 00:00:10,320 It's information. 6 00:00:10,810 --> 00:00:15,090 Remember, consciousness gets information and takes that information and interprets 7 00:00:15,930 --> 00:00:18,169 a reality from that information it gets. 8 00:00:21,780 --> 00:00:27,020 My guest today is Tom Campbell, a physicist, a lecturer author of the 9 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:31,639 only nonfiction trilogy that I've ever read called My Big Toe, and I 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,940 believe a granddad many times over. 11 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:36,640 Tom, welcome and thanks so much for coming on the show. 12 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:37,760 Thank you, Rod. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,220 It's my pleasure to be here. 14 00:00:40,060 --> 00:00:45,670 I was in Australia, what, 2017, I think, something like that, and didn't spend as 15 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:47,370 much time there as I would have liked to. 16 00:00:47,390 --> 00:00:51,590 Didn't get to see much, just went in, did my thing, and we toured around just 17 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:55,860 a little bit in the Auckland area, and then we had to go to the next stop. 18 00:00:55,860 --> 00:00:57,940 So I'd like to get back. 19 00:00:58,750 --> 00:00:59,220 Yeah. 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:00:59,460 Yeah. 21 00:00:59,460 --> 00:01:01,615 It's a bit of a trek from where you are in the States, but 22 00:01:01,615 --> 00:01:03,135 it's definitely worth coming. 23 00:01:03,195 --> 00:01:05,595 So it's getting up to, we get, we're just about to get into spring. 24 00:01:05,595 --> 00:01:08,085 So it's, the weather's starting to warm up a bit now. 25 00:01:08,655 --> 00:01:09,065 All right. 26 00:01:09,065 --> 00:01:12,565 So I read my big toe a, I think it was a few years ago. 27 00:01:12,575 --> 00:01:15,025 I think this is the 20th anniversary for my big toes. 28 00:01:15,025 --> 00:01:15,385 And it was written 29 00:01:15,465 --> 00:01:16,015 It is. 30 00:01:16,175 --> 00:01:16,465 Yeah. 31 00:01:16,875 --> 00:01:20,965 And I've actually started rereading it cause when you read books, they gradually 32 00:01:20,965 --> 00:01:25,245 fade from memory, but it really did start a whole exploration of things that 33 00:01:25,245 --> 00:01:30,065 were paranormal, but just starting to question reality and it was a really 34 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,610 a big leap in providing some sort of tools and a framework to understand 35 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:37,420 consciousness that I'd never had before. 36 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:39,370 That was my introduction to who you were and I've been following 37 00:01:39,370 --> 00:01:42,070 your work ever since, so I'm really happy to have you on the show. 38 00:01:42,460 --> 00:01:46,530 So I'd like to start with a little bit of background about your life that 39 00:01:46,530 --> 00:01:50,860 led to you becoming interested in, let's say, non physical reality and 40 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:54,405 developing a theory of everything and, if in hindsight, did you have any other 41 00:01:54,465 --> 00:01:57,345 earlier childhood experiences that might have been indicated that there would be 42 00:01:57,345 --> 00:01:58,955 more to come later in your adult life? 43 00:01:59,505 --> 00:02:04,015 Yes, I came into this world very much a right brain child. 44 00:02:04,585 --> 00:02:05,375 Very intuitive. 45 00:02:06,375 --> 00:02:12,195 I was my sister's bane and on long trips because long trips in a car, 46 00:02:12,195 --> 00:02:15,095 you know how it is with kids, 10 minutes, they say, are we there yet? 47 00:02:15,145 --> 00:02:17,335 And it gets boring sitting in a car. 48 00:02:17,385 --> 00:02:24,410 On long trips, I would just chant and meditate and when my parents finally 49 00:02:24,410 --> 00:02:27,270 got there, 5 or 6 hours later, it's oh, I'd just gotten in the car. 50 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,800 I didn't notice that any time had passed. 51 00:02:29,930 --> 00:02:35,090 So that was the kind of kid I was, 4 and 5 years old, 6 years old. 52 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:43,630 So I was very right brain coming in, but I knew I had very definite push 53 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:45,980 that I needed to be left brained. 54 00:02:46,380 --> 00:02:51,770 I needed to learn how to do logic, learn how to make sense of things. 55 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:54,880 I was always had a pressure to go that direction. 56 00:02:55,460 --> 00:03:00,230 In school, I struggled with things like math because they just didn't come 57 00:03:00,230 --> 00:03:05,740 naturally to me, but I eventually overcame that struggle, and eventually I got to 58 00:03:05,740 --> 00:03:11,010 the point where math was easy, and I struggled with physics, but I got to a 59 00:03:11,010 --> 00:03:12,790 point where that was pretty easy too. 60 00:03:13,790 --> 00:03:15,590 I went on for graduate degrees. 61 00:03:16,590 --> 00:03:25,660 And became a physicist and sometime in around year seven, seven years old, I'd 62 00:03:25,660 --> 00:03:28,290 had lots of experiences in out of body. 63 00:03:28,290 --> 00:03:32,980 I had some entities come and teach me how to go out of body and take me, get me out 64 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:34,730 of body and then let me go play with it. 65 00:03:34,890 --> 00:03:38,230 And then there were other lessons to learn. 66 00:03:38,910 --> 00:03:42,050 So I went through all of that, but somewhere. 67 00:03:42,775 --> 00:03:46,025 around seven and eight, I guess more like eight. 68 00:03:46,435 --> 00:03:48,685 I was told that I had to quit. 69 00:03:49,325 --> 00:03:52,615 Couldn't do that anymore because it wouldn't be good 70 00:03:52,975 --> 00:03:54,445 for me to grow up weird. 71 00:03:55,215 --> 00:03:58,055 I needed to grow up and be pretty much like everybody else because 72 00:03:58,065 --> 00:04:01,215 in our culture, when you're weird, they do not nice things to you. 73 00:04:01,975 --> 00:04:08,815 So that was my right brain ended there, and not so much in the way 74 00:04:08,815 --> 00:04:14,425 I thought, but in so much as the, the going out of body all stopped. 75 00:04:14,455 --> 00:04:20,255 All the paranormal things pretty much stopped there, except I always had 76 00:04:20,255 --> 00:04:25,045 a link with nonphysical beings who would answer my questions and point 77 00:04:25,075 --> 00:04:26,785 out things and, teach me things. 78 00:04:27,235 --> 00:04:29,075 So that was always there. 79 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:33,980 And of course, I had no idea that it wasn't always there for everybody. 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,870 I didn't know that, and I didn't actually call it anything. 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,760 I didn't have a name for it. 82 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,330 There were just these presence, and if I got in a jam of some sort, I 83 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:46,030 could always ask them, and they would give me some very helpful answers. 84 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,070 So I trusted them implicitly. 85 00:04:49,070 --> 00:04:51,600 And let's see. 86 00:04:51,650 --> 00:04:56,290 I got to college, majored in physics, went to graduate school. 87 00:04:56,910 --> 00:05:02,990 While I was in graduate school, I learned how to meditate, not because 88 00:05:02,990 --> 00:05:08,930 I thought meditation was, it's such a neat idea, but because the ad for 89 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:12,620 meditation said that if you learn to meditate, you could get by on less sleep. 90 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:19,340 And I was in graduate school and working on a big Van de Graaff accelerator. 91 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,290 And when that machine was working, you stayed with it as 92 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:24,630 long as you were taking data. 93 00:05:25,010 --> 00:05:27,730 Which means you might have to stay up for two or three days 94 00:05:27,730 --> 00:05:29,100 in a row without sleeping. 95 00:05:29,585 --> 00:05:34,065 Because your machine was taking data and you don't say let's turn 96 00:05:34,065 --> 00:05:35,435 it off and come back in the morning. 97 00:05:36,045 --> 00:05:37,135 It doesn't work like that. 98 00:05:37,405 --> 00:05:41,525 If you turned it off, there's about a 50, 50 chance that it wouldn't turn on in the 99 00:05:41,525 --> 00:05:42,895 morning, and that would be the end of it. 100 00:05:42,905 --> 00:05:44,025 Your experiment was over. 101 00:05:45,175 --> 00:05:47,345 In any case, I learned to meditate. 102 00:05:47,785 --> 00:05:54,105 And shortly after learning to meditate, I just found out because I'm curious and 103 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:57,475 I tried that I could debug my software. 104 00:05:58,285 --> 00:06:01,575 All the software that I was using to do the physics that had to do 105 00:06:01,575 --> 00:06:03,015 with the experiments I was doing. 106 00:06:03,565 --> 00:06:06,125 I could debug that software in my mind. 107 00:06:06,915 --> 00:06:12,465 And that was a huge breakthrough because this is the bad old days of punch 108 00:06:12,465 --> 00:06:15,785 cards, and debugging software was hard. 109 00:06:15,785 --> 00:06:16,985 There weren't any debuggers. 110 00:06:17,405 --> 00:06:21,005 The computer didn't give you any hints why your job didn't run, other 111 00:06:21,005 --> 00:06:22,455 than, sorry, your job didn't run. 112 00:06:23,035 --> 00:06:23,635 That's it. 113 00:06:24,195 --> 00:06:29,025 And it wasn't only errors that I made, but key punchers themselves would sometimes 114 00:06:29,025 --> 00:06:33,635 punch a hole just slightly off center, and the card reader wouldn't read it. 115 00:06:34,285 --> 00:06:36,315 So there were those kinds of errors as well. 116 00:06:37,015 --> 00:06:40,655 And I could find them in my mind, just by mental effort. 117 00:06:41,095 --> 00:06:43,605 Oh, such and such a card has a problem. 118 00:06:44,235 --> 00:06:46,535 And I'd look at it and say well, I don't see any problem. 119 00:06:46,535 --> 00:06:47,585 And it turned out there'd be a... 120 00:06:47,945 --> 00:06:51,605 key punch hole error in that, on that card. 121 00:06:52,105 --> 00:06:57,235 So it wasn't that it was coming out of my subconscious that somehow I really knew I 122 00:06:57,245 --> 00:07:01,595 had made a mistake on those lines of code and I was just getting it out of my mind. 123 00:07:02,075 --> 00:07:08,020 I knew that this was something beyond the physical and here I am a 124 00:07:08,020 --> 00:07:14,020 physicist and to my mind if you can't measure It either isn't real or it 125 00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:17,660 isn't important, that's called an operational definition of reality. 126 00:07:18,650 --> 00:07:21,380 And by measure it I mean if you can't interact with it. 127 00:07:21,770 --> 00:07:25,170 If it isn't something that you can interact with not necessarily physically 128 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:30,200 but with your tools, you know with your beams and Microscopes or telescopes that 129 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:36,985 you can't interact with it in any way then it's it doesn't necessarily exist. 130 00:07:37,375 --> 00:07:40,555 And if it does, it's not relevant because you can't interact with it. 131 00:07:40,705 --> 00:07:43,675 That's the way physicists mostly see the world. 132 00:07:44,305 --> 00:07:52,528 And that leads to thinking all the things that are subjective are 133 00:07:52,528 --> 00:07:55,648 all just things imagined in mind. 134 00:07:56,218 --> 00:07:59,198 There isn't any real substance to them because you can't measure them. 135 00:08:00,078 --> 00:08:01,938 Therefore, they don't really exist. 136 00:08:02,438 --> 00:08:06,628 That's not a very satisfactory attitude, but as a physicist, I never noticed that 137 00:08:06,628 --> 00:08:08,408 wasn't a very satisfactory attitude. 138 00:08:08,408 --> 00:08:10,068 It seemed like that was all right. 139 00:08:10,848 --> 00:08:14,938 So anyway this thing with being able to debug software was like 140 00:08:14,938 --> 00:08:18,708 a, big swift kick in the pants in the sense that I'm a physicist. 141 00:08:18,718 --> 00:08:23,118 What I do is model reality, and there was a whole nother part of reality 142 00:08:23,118 --> 00:08:24,658 that I didn't know anything about. 143 00:08:25,468 --> 00:08:30,538 But I knew it existed and I knew it was real because I didn't doubt my experience. 144 00:08:30,558 --> 00:08:33,448 It's not like I did this once and could have been a dream. 145 00:08:33,788 --> 00:08:34,538 I did this. 146 00:08:34,538 --> 00:08:37,458 I debugged, day after day, month after month. 147 00:08:37,488 --> 00:08:40,418 And this worked fine for me. 148 00:08:41,278 --> 00:08:47,958 So it was just a tool I had that was not explainable by the physical in any way. 149 00:08:48,288 --> 00:08:50,888 So that's my early experience that led me here. 150 00:08:51,838 --> 00:08:54,498 Then eventually I get out of graduate school. 151 00:08:54,498 --> 00:08:55,138 I go to work. 152 00:08:55,688 --> 00:09:00,088 And I run into Bob Monroe, that's a longer story. 153 00:09:00,088 --> 00:09:05,338 We can go there if you like, but I run into Bob Monroe and Bob had maybe some, 154 00:09:05,348 --> 00:09:07,358 all your listeners don't know Bob Monroe. 155 00:09:07,378 --> 00:09:11,478 He wrote books, Journeys Out of the Body, Far Journeys, and Ultimate Journey. 156 00:09:11,988 --> 00:09:14,188 It was about his out of body experiences. 157 00:09:15,078 --> 00:09:18,628 And when I met him, I wanted to know, is this guy just 158 00:09:18,628 --> 00:09:20,448 making this stuff up or what? 159 00:09:20,823 --> 00:09:26,583 And it turned out he wasn't making any of it up, and he had built a laboratory. 160 00:09:26,973 --> 00:09:29,623 It was just a building that was going to be a laboratory. 161 00:09:29,953 --> 00:09:31,893 Didn't have anything in it, didn't have any equipment. 162 00:09:31,973 --> 00:09:36,443 Had three isolation booths in it, and that's as far as he'd gotten. 163 00:09:37,373 --> 00:09:41,433 He was looking for some scientists to help him set up and actually create 164 00:09:41,433 --> 00:09:43,363 a laboratory to study consciousness. 165 00:09:43,993 --> 00:09:47,453 Because he was, he had a mindset more like an engineer. 166 00:09:47,483 --> 00:09:50,973 He wanted to understand what was happening to him. 167 00:09:51,683 --> 00:09:54,943 He was wealthy, so he wasn't trying to sell books. 168 00:09:54,993 --> 00:10:00,113 The income he got from books wasn't a half of 1% of his income. 169 00:10:00,123 --> 00:10:02,233 That obviously had nothing to do with it. 170 00:10:02,993 --> 00:10:08,353 I started working then with Bob in that laboratory for 171 00:10:08,353 --> 00:10:10,353 about 15 to 20 hours a week. 172 00:10:10,913 --> 00:10:12,333 Pretty much almost half time. 173 00:10:13,078 --> 00:10:18,098 And I did that for probably six or seven years. 174 00:10:18,108 --> 00:10:21,988 So that's a half time job for six or seven years, that's a lot of hours. 175 00:10:22,658 --> 00:10:27,788 And my deal with Bob was that I would be a free scientist if he would be a 176 00:10:27,788 --> 00:10:29,408 free teacher of how to go out of body. 177 00:10:30,018 --> 00:10:35,628 Because I knew that if it wasn't my experience, then it couldn't be my truth. 178 00:10:35,668 --> 00:10:37,638 It couldn't be something I really understood. 179 00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:40,748 You have to experience things before you own them. 180 00:10:41,218 --> 00:10:45,378 If you just read about it or hear about it or have somebody else tell you about 181 00:10:45,378 --> 00:10:49,008 it, it's just not really entirely real. 182 00:10:50,008 --> 00:10:52,788 When you do it, it's real. 183 00:10:52,798 --> 00:10:54,548 So that was the deal. 184 00:10:54,548 --> 00:10:58,798 And we'd go myself and Dennis Mennerich, an electrical engineer that I worked 185 00:10:58,798 --> 00:11:01,678 with also met Bob the same time I did. 186 00:11:02,448 --> 00:11:08,398 So we went out to see Bob like I say, for maybe six years or so, maybe a 187 00:11:08,398 --> 00:11:15,268 little more and he taught us both how to go out of body and we wanted to 188 00:11:15,568 --> 00:11:18,998 prove to ourselves that this wasn't just something we were making up. 189 00:11:19,668 --> 00:11:22,318 So we only wanted to do things that were evidential. 190 00:11:22,958 --> 00:11:26,598 Now, evidential means that you get, gather information that 191 00:11:26,598 --> 00:11:28,188 you have no idea what it is. 192 00:11:28,198 --> 00:11:30,058 You have no way of knowing what it will be. 193 00:11:30,468 --> 00:11:33,798 But there is an answer, you can find out, you can look it up someplace. 194 00:11:34,668 --> 00:11:35,588 That's evidential. 195 00:11:35,948 --> 00:11:41,218 So we did a lot of remote viewing, we did healing, we did all the paranormal 196 00:11:41,218 --> 00:11:44,758 things, just to see if it worked. 197 00:11:45,288 --> 00:11:48,858 And if it worked, not just every once in a while randomly, 198 00:11:48,858 --> 00:11:50,238 but what were the variables? 199 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:51,318 Why did it work? 200 00:11:51,338 --> 00:11:53,608 Why did it work better sometimes than other times? 201 00:11:54,198 --> 00:11:58,328 And being the physicist, I was in charge of figuring out theory, 202 00:11:58,953 --> 00:12:01,583 understanding the theory of how it worked. 203 00:12:01,963 --> 00:12:04,383 So that was where my mind was. 204 00:12:04,893 --> 00:12:05,713 How does this work? 205 00:12:05,743 --> 00:12:06,693 Why does it work? 206 00:12:07,203 --> 00:12:07,943 What's the point? 207 00:12:08,473 --> 00:12:14,913 And what I did is I started to do physics experiments while I was out of body. 208 00:12:15,423 --> 00:12:19,013 And by that, what I mean is I do these paranormal things that were evidential. 209 00:12:19,423 --> 00:12:22,973 And then I change a variable and do them again and see what effect did 210 00:12:22,973 --> 00:12:26,643 that variable have on my ability to perform the paranormal thing. 211 00:12:27,203 --> 00:12:31,823 And then I, do a different variable and all of that's very tedious work, but 212 00:12:31,853 --> 00:12:33,793 most of science is very tedious work. 213 00:12:33,793 --> 00:12:38,953 And, about 35 years later of doing these experiments, I thought 214 00:12:38,953 --> 00:12:40,423 I understood consciousness. 215 00:12:41,103 --> 00:12:44,423 And I wrote the books, My Big Toe, basically as a theory and 216 00:12:44,423 --> 00:12:45,288 understanding of consciousness. 217 00:12:45,758 --> 00:12:50,658 Of consciousness, and it was based on the facts I've learned about 218 00:12:50,658 --> 00:12:57,718 consciousness from an out of body state, which is what makes me unique. 219 00:12:58,328 --> 00:13:02,758 There's very few physicists in this world, if any, besides me, 220 00:13:03,258 --> 00:13:05,648 who have that sort of facility. 221 00:13:06,113 --> 00:13:09,393 In the larger consciousness system, out of body, I hate to say out 222 00:13:09,393 --> 00:13:11,793 of body because you didn't get, you don't get out of your body. 223 00:13:11,793 --> 00:13:16,783 That's just a, not a very good metaphor, but that's what everybody understands. 224 00:13:16,783 --> 00:13:22,703 I use the term anyway, you're not in your body, but anyway, a physicist that 225 00:13:22,703 --> 00:13:31,848 understands the physics and understands consciousness from the outside. 226 00:13:32,408 --> 00:13:36,498 So that led me to eventually, after I published the books, a 227 00:13:36,498 --> 00:13:40,938 few years after, to realize that I could derive a better physics. 228 00:13:41,568 --> 00:13:47,478 A more general what more capable physics from consciousness. 229 00:13:47,498 --> 00:13:50,508 Just take the things that consciousness said, the way this 230 00:13:50,508 --> 00:13:51,728 is how the world needs to be. 231 00:13:51,728 --> 00:13:56,268 This is how reality needs to be to support my facts of consciousness, that 232 00:13:56,268 --> 00:14:01,248 I could take those facts of consciousness and actually derive quantum physics. 233 00:14:01,613 --> 00:14:04,973 And derive relativity, first principles. 234 00:14:05,333 --> 00:14:07,923 Now that's something that the physicists can't do. 235 00:14:08,633 --> 00:14:11,933 Because relativity has this big unknown. 236 00:14:11,943 --> 00:14:14,433 They don't know why the speed of light needs to be a constant. 237 00:14:15,193 --> 00:14:16,433 That's a key thing. 238 00:14:16,983 --> 00:14:21,963 Once you understand that c, speed of light, is a constant, then special 239 00:14:21,963 --> 00:14:23,753 relativity is just a little algebra. 240 00:14:24,753 --> 00:14:28,333 That's the main idea that makes relativity, is that c is a constant. 241 00:14:29,163 --> 00:14:32,643 So I could understand that easily why c was a constant. 242 00:14:33,053 --> 00:14:39,183 And with quantum physics, they get stuck on not being able to 243 00:14:39,203 --> 00:14:44,343 comprehend why reality should be probabilistic, not material. 244 00:14:45,063 --> 00:14:49,113 If you, in quantum physics, if you assume that things are material, 245 00:14:49,123 --> 00:14:52,303 like if you assume an electron's a little chunk of mass with a charge, 246 00:14:53,033 --> 00:14:55,883 you can't get any right answers because that's not what it is. 247 00:14:56,153 --> 00:14:57,433 It doesn't work that way. 248 00:14:57,853 --> 00:15:00,903 It's a protoparticle. 249 00:15:00,973 --> 00:15:02,463 It's probability. 250 00:15:02,983 --> 00:15:07,513 It doesn't actually exist until a measurement's made. 251 00:15:08,373 --> 00:15:12,113 And then they have this thing they say in physics that the probability 252 00:15:12,113 --> 00:15:16,463 wave function collapses when the measurement is made, and the probability 253 00:15:16,463 --> 00:15:18,513 function becomes a physical particle. 254 00:15:18,973 --> 00:15:19,833 That's nonsense. 255 00:15:20,433 --> 00:15:24,463 How does a piece of mathematics, a probability, 256 00:15:25,413 --> 00:15:27,253 turn into a physical particle? 257 00:15:27,933 --> 00:15:29,453 Because you make the measurement. 258 00:15:29,903 --> 00:15:33,423 So that's the big mystery underlying quantum physics, and why quantum 259 00:15:33,423 --> 00:15:36,543 physics is referred to as weird physics, because it has this... 260 00:15:37,313 --> 00:15:42,453 This weird aspect to it, and physicists have no clue what that means or how 261 00:15:42,453 --> 00:15:44,303 that works or why it's that way. 262 00:15:44,843 --> 00:15:48,953 And I can derive from first principles exactly why it has to 263 00:15:48,963 --> 00:15:51,593 be that way from consciousness. 264 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:55,573 So then I started looking at a lot of other things that 265 00:15:55,593 --> 00:15:58,673 were paradoxes in physics. 266 00:15:59,103 --> 00:16:01,203 There's lots of paradoxes in physics. 267 00:16:01,943 --> 00:16:04,783 And, some of those are very obvious. 268 00:16:05,033 --> 00:16:07,193 Ask a physicist where time comes from. 269 00:16:07,868 --> 00:16:08,968 And he won't know. 270 00:16:09,188 --> 00:16:11,788 Ask him where mass comes from, and he won't know. 271 00:16:12,268 --> 00:16:14,608 Ask him where space comes from, and he won't know. 272 00:16:14,608 --> 00:16:19,288 All the basic things that physicists work with every day, and all of their 273 00:16:19,288 --> 00:16:23,208 physics is based on these things, they have no idea where those things come from. 274 00:16:23,828 --> 00:16:26,828 The physicists will just say well, they are because they are. 275 00:16:26,848 --> 00:16:27,838 That's not science. 276 00:16:28,408 --> 00:16:31,348 Yeah, that's a, not a good scientific answer. 277 00:16:31,768 --> 00:16:36,518 And then there's other things like there's if you ever listen to a Rupert 278 00:16:36,518 --> 00:16:41,813 Sheldrake's something like 10 problems with physics, it got yanked off of TED 279 00:16:41,813 --> 00:16:43,553 Talks because it was pseudoscience. 280 00:16:43,923 --> 00:16:45,283 It wasn't pseudoscience. 281 00:16:45,283 --> 00:16:48,263 It was good science, and all 10 of those things are things that 282 00:16:48,313 --> 00:16:50,383 are all paradoxes in physics. 283 00:16:50,533 --> 00:16:53,913 Things that physics knows are there that way, but they don't 284 00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:55,758 know why they're that way. 285 00:16:56,018 --> 00:17:00,198 And one of them was the speed of light actually does change a little 286 00:17:00,218 --> 00:17:06,508 bit from time to time, but only in, let's say, the ninth decimal place. 287 00:17:06,838 --> 00:17:09,238 Just changes just a little tiny bit. 288 00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:13,388 It's been recorded now like four times that it's changed. 289 00:17:13,868 --> 00:17:16,818 And I can explain that very easily, why that happens. 290 00:17:17,408 --> 00:17:19,568 And there are a set of constants. 291 00:17:19,568 --> 00:17:24,508 We just call them cosmic constants because they're big picture constants. 292 00:17:24,508 --> 00:17:29,838 And if any one of those constants changed, even in the ninth decimal place, 293 00:17:30,248 --> 00:17:31,978 the whole universe would go unstable. 294 00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:34,828 I think it's called the anthropic principle or something like that. 295 00:17:34,928 --> 00:17:42,663 The idea is it looks like these constants we're all, what can we say all honed 296 00:17:42,923 --> 00:17:47,773 to be what they are together, like they only work as a set, because if any one 297 00:17:47,773 --> 00:17:50,403 of those constants, I think there's five of them, if any one of those 298 00:17:50,413 --> 00:17:55,143 constants changed in the ninth decimal place, the universe would be unstable. 299 00:17:55,778 --> 00:18:00,038 So it's real important that all those constants be exactly the 300 00:18:00,038 --> 00:18:03,618 way they are out to nine decimal places to keep this place stable. 301 00:18:04,048 --> 00:18:06,068 That looks like that was a plan. 302 00:18:06,408 --> 00:18:09,348 What's the probability that happened randomly? 303 00:18:09,588 --> 00:18:13,298 Oh, just randomly, they all were exactly what they needed to be to nine decimal 304 00:18:13,298 --> 00:18:15,258 places, and of course, that's silly. 305 00:18:15,568 --> 00:18:17,298 That doesn't happen randomly. 306 00:18:17,668 --> 00:18:20,668 And I can explain exactly why that had to happen. 307 00:18:21,248 --> 00:18:22,088 So on it goes. 308 00:18:22,098 --> 00:18:26,668 There's lots of these paradoxes that exist and this model of mine of 309 00:18:26,668 --> 00:18:29,548 physics answers them all very clearly. 310 00:18:30,043 --> 00:18:34,333 And my model doesn't have any strange assumptions in it. 311 00:18:34,543 --> 00:18:39,373 The only assumption really is consciousness exists, and I don't, after 312 00:18:39,373 --> 00:18:45,963 that, I just derive logically, mostly deductively, what happens until I end 313 00:18:45,963 --> 00:18:48,863 up with consciousness and how it works. 314 00:18:48,873 --> 00:18:56,193 So anyhow, that's the real short over the top story of what it is I've done. 315 00:18:56,193 --> 00:19:01,128 I guess one other thing I would add is that this model not only produced 316 00:19:01,128 --> 00:19:06,778 a better physics, but it also produced an understanding, a scientific 317 00:19:07,058 --> 00:19:09,638 explanation for the subjective world. 318 00:19:10,328 --> 00:19:14,478 So now there's a science of the subjective as well as the science of the objective. 319 00:19:15,078 --> 00:19:17,548 The science of the objective world we call physics. 320 00:19:18,078 --> 00:19:22,098 Physics, chemistry, biology, those are all sciences of the objective world. 321 00:19:22,848 --> 00:19:27,088 But this science of the subjective world tells us about us. 322 00:19:28,008 --> 00:19:31,693 If you're unhappy and miserable, it'll tell you why. 323 00:19:32,473 --> 00:19:33,153 What's the point? 324 00:19:33,193 --> 00:19:33,793 What's missing? 325 00:19:33,793 --> 00:19:35,263 And what you need to do to change that? 326 00:19:35,773 --> 00:19:42,453 So it's the understanding the subjective experiences in our life, and of course, 327 00:19:42,463 --> 00:19:48,663 from my viewpoint, opposite of a physicist viewpoint now is that it's the subjective 328 00:19:48,663 --> 00:19:51,223 world is where all the importance is. 329 00:19:51,803 --> 00:19:53,453 That's where all the meat of life is. 330 00:19:53,453 --> 00:19:57,643 That's where, the objective world is just the stuff. 331 00:19:57,663 --> 00:19:59,273 It's like the settings on the stage. 332 00:19:59,313 --> 00:20:04,173 It's just the stuff, your house, your car, your clothes, your body, 333 00:20:04,503 --> 00:20:06,853 that's all the physical stuff. 334 00:20:06,893 --> 00:20:11,153 But the subjective world is where all the importance is. 335 00:20:11,183 --> 00:20:18,083 It's about love and caring and sharing and friendliness and justice and all the 336 00:20:18,093 --> 00:20:20,685 things, that make your life important. 337 00:20:20,745 --> 00:20:21,535 Who do you marry? 338 00:20:21,535 --> 00:20:22,725 How many children do you have? 339 00:20:22,735 --> 00:20:24,365 These are all subjective decisions. 340 00:20:24,365 --> 00:20:26,115 You can't make any of those objectively. 341 00:20:26,845 --> 00:20:27,855 They're all subjective. 342 00:20:28,265 --> 00:20:31,765 All of that is part of the subjective world. 343 00:20:32,285 --> 00:20:38,895 And, in my mind, the subjective world is just a whole lot more meaningful and 344 00:20:38,895 --> 00:20:41,315 significant than the objective world. 345 00:20:41,775 --> 00:20:45,585 Who goes to a play to watch the the stage and all the props. 346 00:20:46,155 --> 00:20:47,585 That's the objective stuff. 347 00:20:47,865 --> 00:20:51,655 You go to a play, not to watch the props, you go to a play because of 348 00:20:51,655 --> 00:20:55,315 what's going on in the minds of the actors and the characters they're playing 349 00:20:55,315 --> 00:20:58,965 and the interactions between those characters and the story they tell. 350 00:20:58,965 --> 00:21:00,135 And that's all subjective. 351 00:21:01,135 --> 00:21:02,355 That's all subjective. 352 00:21:03,145 --> 00:21:06,065 Okay, that's my one over the top, so everybody knows a little 353 00:21:06,065 --> 00:21:07,335 bit of who Tom Campbell is. 354 00:21:07,365 --> 00:21:13,465 He's a weird physicist who has written My Big Toe, and I have a website, and I 355 00:21:13,475 --> 00:21:18,715 have about a thousand videos on YouTube, in case you're interested, but other 356 00:21:18,715 --> 00:21:21,895 than that, I'm open for questions, Rod, whatever you'd like to ask. 357 00:21:21,945 --> 00:21:22,545 Okay. 358 00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:27,335 Well the first one was my understanding of consciousness is it's fundamental. 359 00:21:27,355 --> 00:21:29,585 So everything springs from consciousness. 360 00:21:29,945 --> 00:21:33,875 Could you give us like a, just for the lay person, your understanding 361 00:21:33,875 --> 00:21:35,395 of what consciousness is? 362 00:21:36,395 --> 00:21:39,385 Okay, I can define consciousness just very simply. 363 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:43,470 Consciousness is awareness with a choice. 364 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,190 That's what a four word definition. 365 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:47,570 Yeah. 366 00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:52,545 So if we start from the beginning, so there was consciousness and it always 367 00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:56,695 had awareness or then awareness became, and then choices started to be made, no? 368 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,470 When I start with consciousness exists, that's an assumption. 369 00:22:00,870 --> 00:22:03,810 It already has awareness, but a very dim awareness. 370 00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:10,590 You know how biologists, if you give them a living cell, they will derive 371 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:13,950 all the rest of the things that are on our planet that are living. 372 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,285 Just give them one living cell, and they will take that and show you 373 00:22:18,295 --> 00:22:22,345 how that cell evolved into all the plants and animals and creatures 374 00:22:22,395 --> 00:22:23,705 and things that are alive here. 375 00:22:24,525 --> 00:22:28,665 Okay, it started with like single celled things, bacteria, and then they got more 376 00:22:28,665 --> 00:22:34,075 complicated like amoebas and, amoebas have parts and so on and it evolved up 377 00:22:34,075 --> 00:22:38,070 until finally, you get all the creatures we have there, including ourselves. 378 00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:43,610 So a biologist can tell you that story, but he has to start with a cell. 379 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:46,630 He can't tell you where that first cell came from. 380 00:22:47,260 --> 00:22:53,330 Now, he can do some hand waving and he can say if there were some right kind of amino 381 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:57,460 acids and the right sort of this and that, and a little bit of electricity like from 382 00:22:57,460 --> 00:23:02,300 lightning or static electricity, ah, that might've started that, that first cell. 383 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,560 So the hand waving is a physics term for means it's not hard facts. 384 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:08,940 It's conjecture. 385 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,950 So they can wave their hands in the air and come up with some conjecture 386 00:23:13,950 --> 00:23:15,500 of where that first cell came from. 387 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,240 And they can even duplicate it in their labs, get the right stuff together, 388 00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:20,350 put a little spark through it. 389 00:23:20,350 --> 00:23:24,040 And yeah, they get something that resembles a living cell that maybe they 390 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,960 could work with, so I'm the same way. 391 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,250 I start with the most minimal piece of consciousness, and that minimal 392 00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:37,180 piece of consciousness then is a thing that is aware, but it's only 393 00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:39,440 aware of the fact that it exists. 394 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:47,020 And it can be in state A or state B, because consciousness has a choice. 395 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:49,760 So if it was just in state A, then there wouldn't be any 396 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,810 choice for the consciousness. 397 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:53,990 So the minimalist thing for a consciousness is it has to be, it 398 00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:55,730 can be between state A or state B. 399 00:23:56,365 --> 00:23:56,965 And that's it. 400 00:23:57,135 --> 00:24:01,255 And it can change from state A to B, state B to A, and that's all it is. 401 00:24:01,265 --> 00:24:05,495 That's the, you can think of that as a a consciousness cell, if you like, 402 00:24:05,495 --> 00:24:07,465 like instead of a biological cell. 403 00:24:08,065 --> 00:24:15,125 And from there, I show logically how it would evolve, how it had to evolve. 404 00:24:16,055 --> 00:24:21,655 And basically that evolutionary process takes that up through what it is today. 405 00:24:22,075 --> 00:24:25,055 Which is, I call the larger consciousness system. 406 00:24:25,615 --> 00:24:29,265 And we, you and I, and all the rest of the people, and dogs and cats 407 00:24:29,265 --> 00:24:31,855 around here, are subsets of that. 408 00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:34,435 We're pieces of that consciousness. 409 00:24:34,915 --> 00:24:37,475 I call those individuated units of consciousness. 410 00:24:37,545 --> 00:24:38,605 And that's what we are. 411 00:24:39,155 --> 00:24:41,015 Consciousness is fundamental. 412 00:24:41,595 --> 00:24:43,155 And it starts with consciousness. 413 00:24:43,195 --> 00:24:47,805 Now, it might seem to some of your listeners that it's a logical flaw that 414 00:24:48,165 --> 00:24:50,215 a start with just consciousness exists. 415 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,700 Okay, now just like the biologist, I can give a conjecture answer to 416 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,310 where that consciousness came from. 417 00:24:56,815 --> 00:24:59,745 And some other people have come up with similar conjecture. 418 00:25:00,685 --> 00:25:06,935 I've seen it at Stanford University, I believe it was in the philosophy 419 00:25:06,935 --> 00:25:12,415 department and look up automata, cellular automata, and you'll find, I 420 00:25:12,415 --> 00:25:16,330 don't know, probably a hundred pages of it, but you'll find one section of 421 00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:18,110 it where they deal with consciousness. 422 00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:23,610 There's hand waving conjecture that you can deal, but it's 423 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:26,030 not a failure to not know it. 424 00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:32,480 Because the reason we can't know it is because we are pieces of consciousness. 425 00:25:33,210 --> 00:25:38,310 We are consciousness and you can't know, you can't experience, you can't have 426 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:42,890 first hand knowledge of what it is that you are, what it is that created you. 427 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:45,640 Babies don't watch themselves being born. 428 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:50,930 It's just a process and later they grow up and say, oh, okay, I was born one, 429 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:55,170 you know, in the, in the past and they understand it and they realize it, but 430 00:25:55,170 --> 00:26:00,805 it's not an experience necessarily that they have or one that they remember. 431 00:26:01,085 --> 00:26:04,835 That's not a great example, but the thing is that if you are 432 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:09,925 consciousness, you can't get outside of consciousness to look back at 433 00:26:09,935 --> 00:26:15,215 consciousness, with a objective view. 434 00:26:16,105 --> 00:26:16,165 Hmm. 435 00:26:16,165 --> 00:26:16,995 You know, You can't do it. 436 00:26:17,005 --> 00:26:17,665 You're in it. 437 00:26:17,755 --> 00:26:20,525 So you can't get outside of yourself to look back at it and 438 00:26:20,525 --> 00:26:22,095 say, ah, okay, I can see now. 439 00:26:22,095 --> 00:26:23,885 Oh, look, I see where it came from. 440 00:26:24,315 --> 00:26:27,435 That has to be from a view that's outside of consciousness. 441 00:26:27,815 --> 00:26:31,725 We can't get outside of consciousness because we are consciousness. 442 00:26:32,035 --> 00:26:34,605 So therefore that where did it start? 443 00:26:35,415 --> 00:26:38,265 It's not a fault that you don't know. 444 00:26:38,385 --> 00:26:40,635 You logically can't know. 445 00:26:41,175 --> 00:26:42,305 That's an unknowable. 446 00:26:42,335 --> 00:26:45,745 The best you'll ever be able to do is wave your hands and come up with some 447 00:26:45,945 --> 00:26:52,265 conjecture because we can't get outside of what we are in order to see how 448 00:26:52,265 --> 00:26:56,315 that happened in order to get some idea of where that might have come from. 449 00:26:57,315 --> 00:27:00,075 So that's not a flaw. 450 00:27:00,075 --> 00:27:05,305 It's just a kind of a logical fact that we won't know that those biologists will 451 00:27:05,305 --> 00:27:10,315 never know for sure where that first cell came from, unless they can get outside 452 00:27:10,365 --> 00:27:13,345 of that experience and watch it happen. 453 00:27:13,585 --> 00:27:14,865 See how that happened. 454 00:27:15,185 --> 00:27:16,355 But there isn't any memory. 455 00:27:16,355 --> 00:27:17,475 There aren't any written records. 456 00:27:17,475 --> 00:27:19,515 There isn't any way for them to do that. 457 00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:22,205 And so they'll never know for sure. 458 00:27:22,505 --> 00:27:25,955 All they can do is come up with reasonable conjecture. 459 00:27:26,290 --> 00:27:27,760 But it'll never be certain. 460 00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:29,320 And it's the same with consciousness. 461 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,020 It'll never be certain exactly where that consciousness cell came from. 462 00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:35,280 But let me have that one cell. 463 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:40,900 And that's not a huge assumption because we're conscious, you and I, 464 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,540 and all the people listening to this are conscious, we have consciousness. 465 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:51,620 So that consciousness exists is not a real bender as far as an assumption goes. 466 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:54,830 It's about as obvious assumption that as you can imagine. 467 00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:56,910 So that's where I started from. 468 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,240 And the rest of this is just consciousness evolution. 469 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,160 And it's not a model that says well, consciousness could have evolved this way. 470 00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:09,110 It's consciousness had to evolve this way. 471 00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:13,190 So I don't go off into those little details that it could have done 472 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:14,310 this or could have done that. 473 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,390 I stay with the basics of what it had to do. 474 00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:22,930 So the model is based on the way consciousness had to evolve. 475 00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:25,680 Didn't have other choices. 476 00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:28,690 This was its only path of evolution. 477 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,635 Now, with biology, that path of evolution is defined by an ability 478 00:28:35,635 --> 00:28:38,775 to procreate and survive, right? 479 00:28:38,805 --> 00:28:41,975 If you can't procreate and survive, eventually you'll disappear 480 00:28:42,415 --> 00:28:44,645 from that evolutionary system. 481 00:28:45,085 --> 00:28:48,265 Consciousness is to lower entropy. 482 00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:52,165 And entropy is a science word, but it's not all that scary. 483 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:54,400 It's just a measure of disorder. 484 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:58,670 And I model consciousness as an information system. 485 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:00,090 Which makes sense. 486 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:00,410 What is it? 487 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,530 What are we conscious of? 488 00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:05,960 We're conscious of the data that we collect with our five senses. 489 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,370 That's what we're conscious of. 490 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:08,300 That's the input data. 491 00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:13,590 We take that data and we look at it and interpret it to be this reality. 492 00:29:14,395 --> 00:29:19,775 So our reality is based on us interpreting data that we receive. 493 00:29:20,375 --> 00:29:24,975 We get data, we do processing on that data and we say, oh, there's a fish, 494 00:29:24,995 --> 00:29:29,305 there's a dog, there's a house, there's my mother, and we learn what all these 495 00:29:29,325 --> 00:29:30,905 things are and what their names are. 496 00:29:31,385 --> 00:29:34,595 But that's because we learn that from after we're born. 497 00:29:34,595 --> 00:29:37,005 So we learn how to interpret the data. 498 00:29:38,005 --> 00:29:45,655 So consciousness is an information system because it gets information and comes to 499 00:29:45,655 --> 00:29:49,635 some kinds of conclusions and attitudes based on the information it gets. 500 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,615 Same as any information system. 501 00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:56,365 So think of an information system where all the bits are random. 502 00:29:56,485 --> 00:29:58,605 Now a bit is not really a science word. 503 00:29:58,605 --> 00:30:02,905 It's just the definition of the smallest piece of information possible. 504 00:30:03,395 --> 00:30:04,075 That's a bit. 505 00:30:04,375 --> 00:30:09,855 So if you work information down to the smallest possible piece, that's a bit. 506 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:13,245 So let's say you have a system and all the bits are random. 507 00:30:14,115 --> 00:30:16,595 If all the bits are random, there is no information. 508 00:30:16,845 --> 00:30:18,235 They're all just random bits. 509 00:30:19,175 --> 00:30:24,125 But if you take some of those bits and order them, which 510 00:30:24,185 --> 00:30:26,035 lowers their entropy, right? 511 00:30:26,095 --> 00:30:28,175 Entropy is a measure of disorder. 512 00:30:28,225 --> 00:30:30,245 All random is highest disorder. 513 00:30:30,685 --> 00:30:34,975 If you can order those bits, which lowers their entropy, then those 514 00:30:35,125 --> 00:30:37,445 ordered bits can mean something. 515 00:30:37,455 --> 00:30:39,735 You can give them, they could be a symbol of something. 516 00:30:40,215 --> 00:30:41,785 It could be the, a number. 517 00:30:41,795 --> 00:30:43,345 It could be the number two. 518 00:30:43,835 --> 00:30:46,185 This way and that way, state A and state B. 519 00:30:46,285 --> 00:30:50,245 It could stand for things, but you have to make order. 520 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,955 There's no information until you order the bits. 521 00:30:53,385 --> 00:30:55,105 Entropy is a measure. 522 00:30:55,615 --> 00:31:00,775 How entropy gets lowered is a measure of how consciousness evolves. 523 00:31:01,045 --> 00:31:03,825 Consciousness isn't about survival and procreation. 524 00:31:04,295 --> 00:31:06,805 Consciousness is about lowering entropy. 525 00:31:06,825 --> 00:31:10,275 That's its motivator to evolve. 526 00:31:10,595 --> 00:31:15,115 So it makes maybe a pattern with those bits, and then maybe it 527 00:31:15,115 --> 00:31:18,425 makes patterns of patterns, or all kinds of different patterns. 528 00:31:18,965 --> 00:31:22,325 And then eventually it takes two of those bits and just lets them 529 00:31:22,325 --> 00:31:27,335 oscillate, A, B, A, B, A, B, 0. 530 00:31:27,335 --> 00:31:29,705 And when it does that, it's created a metronome. 531 00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:32,265 Now it has regular time. 532 00:31:33,215 --> 00:31:38,035 And if it has regular time, it can also create sequences of patterns of sequences. 533 00:31:38,415 --> 00:31:40,585 As much complication as it can. 534 00:31:40,885 --> 00:31:44,085 So as the things get more ordered, they get more complex. 535 00:31:45,025 --> 00:31:47,385 They get more useful because all those things can... 536 00:31:47,885 --> 00:31:51,635 And one of the very first things it would learn would be arithmetic, 537 00:31:51,795 --> 00:31:56,025 would be quantity, because each little piece of ordered bits is a 538 00:31:56,025 --> 00:31:57,965 thing, and then here's another thing. 539 00:31:58,335 --> 00:32:00,825 Oh, one thing plus another thing is two things. 540 00:32:00,825 --> 00:32:06,095 And the simple concepts of logic of quantity, which is what math is, 541 00:32:06,095 --> 00:32:07,685 it's just the logic of quantity. 542 00:32:08,055 --> 00:32:10,765 That would be one of the first things that it would understand. 543 00:32:11,255 --> 00:32:16,385 So it would be natural for it to develop a sense of mathematics 544 00:32:16,425 --> 00:32:19,075 and quantity, and number. 545 00:32:19,795 --> 00:32:23,655 Okay, so in any case, that's what drives consciousness. 546 00:32:24,255 --> 00:32:31,215 So I can show that the system would go through a series of lowering 547 00:32:31,215 --> 00:32:34,895 entropy quickly, and then not so much a plateau where it's stuck. 548 00:32:34,985 --> 00:32:37,985 It's still lowering entropy, it's just not as quickly as it had before. 549 00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:40,395 And then it comes up with another invention. 550 00:32:40,445 --> 00:32:41,345 Ah, like time. 551 00:32:41,615 --> 00:32:42,685 Time was an invention. 552 00:32:42,755 --> 00:32:44,545 Okay, now it can do sequences. 553 00:32:44,555 --> 00:32:48,985 So it starts to have more novel things that it can do and ways that it can order. 554 00:32:49,745 --> 00:32:55,445 And then the last big breakthrough for it was that it could take pieces of itself 555 00:32:56,445 --> 00:33:00,715 and those pieces would all have free will because consciousness has free will. 556 00:33:00,865 --> 00:33:03,355 And I'll mention that in a little bit why that is. 557 00:33:04,225 --> 00:33:07,135 And these pieces of free will then can interact with each other. 558 00:33:07,655 --> 00:33:10,715 As soon as you create bunches of things with free will, as time 559 00:33:10,715 --> 00:33:12,325 goes by, they start to diverge. 560 00:33:12,695 --> 00:33:14,325 They don't have the same experience. 561 00:33:15,155 --> 00:33:16,695 They have different experiences. 562 00:33:16,695 --> 00:33:19,645 So they have different opinions and different thoughts about 563 00:33:19,645 --> 00:33:21,015 what they want to do today. 564 00:33:21,445 --> 00:33:27,165 So then the interactions, each one of these things, the invention of time 565 00:33:27,165 --> 00:33:32,160 and the invention of breaking itself up into pieces with free will, these 566 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,850 things create more possibilities the way things can go together to lower entropy. 567 00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:43,310 It makes the system not only bigger, but smarter and more capable. 568 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:46,490 It grows, it evolves just like with people. 569 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,880 You go to the 1 cell thing, bacteria to multi cell things to jellyfish to frogs, 570 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,565 to lizards and eventually to to people. 571 00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,915 Every step of that evolution makes things more complicated. 572 00:33:59,165 --> 00:34:00,155 There's more order. 573 00:34:00,285 --> 00:34:01,355 There's more structure. 574 00:34:01,605 --> 00:34:05,155 Here we are human beings and we've got what 4 trillion cells 575 00:34:05,495 --> 00:34:10,235 that are all working together, cooperatively to make a human being. 576 00:34:10,915 --> 00:34:14,635 So that's a lot of order going on there. 577 00:34:14,955 --> 00:34:19,155 So actually it turns out that the biological evolution 578 00:34:19,565 --> 00:34:20,765 follows the same thing. 579 00:34:20,785 --> 00:34:22,815 It's really lowering entropy as well. 580 00:34:23,815 --> 00:34:25,485 It's that's what works. 581 00:34:25,495 --> 00:34:30,715 It lowers entropy, but in its system, low entropy configurations are more 582 00:34:30,715 --> 00:34:33,565 survivable because they're more complex. 583 00:34:33,565 --> 00:34:35,035 They're more adjustable. 584 00:34:35,630 --> 00:34:41,020 There's more things they can do, and they procreate better. 585 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,570 Again, there's more options for them and ways they can do things. 586 00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:48,620 They're not limited to just a certain small set of possibilities. 587 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:54,040 They have lots of possibilities, which give them more abilities to 588 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,090 procreate and to survive because they have options that they didn't 589 00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:59,945 have before with that ordering. 590 00:35:00,525 --> 00:35:02,365 So it's the same with consciousness. 591 00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:04,395 So that's basically my model. 592 00:35:05,005 --> 00:35:11,405 So now if you believe that biology, the evolution of biological evolution, 593 00:35:11,885 --> 00:35:14,595 if you think that's a science, then what I have is a science. 594 00:35:15,185 --> 00:35:18,235 It's just as much a science as biology is. 595 00:35:18,685 --> 00:35:22,955 Because what it does is once you understand how these, how this thing 596 00:35:22,955 --> 00:35:29,235 evolved, you get a lot of facts that otherwise aren't clear, like biology 597 00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:33,485 if you look at look at a what we call it the dolphin, look at a dolphin 598 00:35:34,065 --> 00:35:35,835 and and you look at a dolphin's fin. 599 00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:37,355 Guess what you'll find in there? 600 00:35:37,355 --> 00:35:39,245 You'll have bones that look just like that. 601 00:35:39,695 --> 00:35:41,515 It's like the bones are like a hand. 602 00:35:41,515 --> 00:35:42,565 It's got fingers. 603 00:35:42,615 --> 00:35:46,255 The fingers have joints, so they can move, but these fingers aren't moving. 604 00:35:46,295 --> 00:35:50,895 It's part of a fin, but yet there's the hand with all the individual fingers and 605 00:35:50,895 --> 00:35:53,055 all the finger joints for for motion. 606 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,180 And that tells you, that's a fact. 607 00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:01,200 And if you didn't have evolution or biology, it'd be one of those paradoxes. 608 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:04,240 Why does that animal have hand bones in its fin? 609 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,980 Oh that animal probably was a land animal before it became a sea animal. 610 00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:10,820 That evolution can work both ways. 611 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:16,250 Sometimes the sea was a better source of food than was the land. 612 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:18,110 Critters move to where the food is. 613 00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:24,330 In any case it solves paradoxes because you understand the fundamentals 614 00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:25,650 of how the system was built. 615 00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:27,820 What were the rules that it was built on? 616 00:36:28,330 --> 00:36:30,180 And mine is the same way. 617 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,730 So mine is a science. 618 00:36:32,530 --> 00:36:34,420 It solves a lot of paradoxes. 619 00:36:34,945 --> 00:36:36,355 Answers a lot of questions. 620 00:36:36,855 --> 00:36:41,165 And as far as I can tell, there isn't anything that it can't really explain. 621 00:36:41,845 --> 00:36:45,795 So it really is a theory of everything, including the subjective world. 622 00:36:46,295 --> 00:36:48,865 They say, why are these people happy and those people are miserable? 623 00:36:48,925 --> 00:36:53,765 It can say what it is about them that's created both the happiness and 624 00:36:53,765 --> 00:36:58,465 the misery, boils down to, to really an understanding of a lot of things. 625 00:36:58,795 --> 00:37:01,085 You can derive a moral code. 626 00:37:01,595 --> 00:37:06,065 Philosophers have tried evolving a moral code for many centuries 627 00:37:06,385 --> 00:37:07,375 and they always failed. 628 00:37:07,375 --> 00:37:11,145 I think the last one that was really pretty good was Spinoza, a Spanish 629 00:37:11,145 --> 00:37:16,355 philosopher and his moral code had flaws in it, like all the rest, because people 630 00:37:16,355 --> 00:37:20,535 could always come up if you follow this code, you'll always make the right choice. 631 00:37:20,535 --> 00:37:21,955 The good choice, the moral choice. 632 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:27,035 But you can always come up with some scenario it doesn't work in. 633 00:37:27,295 --> 00:37:31,755 Yeah, but what if, and you can come and maybe really a obtuse 1 in a 634 00:37:31,755 --> 00:37:36,205 million kind of scenario, but there are scenarios that it just doesn't fit. 635 00:37:36,315 --> 00:37:38,895 The code is not universal. 636 00:37:39,245 --> 00:37:42,775 It does explain a whole lot of what's right and what's wrong, 637 00:37:43,075 --> 00:37:46,715 and what's moral and what's not, but it doesn't cover everything. 638 00:37:46,725 --> 00:37:47,725 It's not universal. 639 00:37:48,275 --> 00:37:49,525 It's got flaws in it. 640 00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:53,755 This code of mine does define what's right and wrong. 641 00:37:54,425 --> 00:37:59,235 In the long term, if what you do, the actions you take, the intents 642 00:37:59,235 --> 00:38:04,160 you have, lowers entropy for both yourself and the system, that's right. 643 00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:11,360 And if what you do and intend increases entropy in the long term for both 644 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,350 yourself and the system, that's wrong. 645 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,810 So it's just simple. 646 00:38:14,830 --> 00:38:16,930 It all reduces to entropy. 647 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:25,680 Love can be defined as the nature of a low entropy individual, a low entropy entity. 648 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,320 That's love. 649 00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:29,230 And the fear is the opposite of love. 650 00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:32,910 That may strike people as being odd because they think love and hate are 651 00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:35,200 the opposites, but that's not it. 652 00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:37,990 There's something more fundamental than hate, and that is fear. 653 00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:40,300 Hate is born out of fear. 654 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:46,700 In any case, it explains, on the soft side, it explains philosophy. 655 00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:49,650 There's a philosophy called what is it now? 656 00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:55,050 There's realism, which is basically what the physicists believe, and that is if 657 00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:56,850 you can't measure it, it's not real. 658 00:38:57,330 --> 00:39:00,250 Everything that, out there that you see, that's just the way it is, and 659 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:01,790 there isn't anything else but that. 660 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:05,190 And then there's the opposite of that, which is called idealism. 661 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:11,470 And idealism, Is the sense there is something beyond what you see and what 662 00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:17,230 you feel out there in the world that is more fundamental and that's an old idea. 663 00:39:17,330 --> 00:39:23,350 Remember the allegory of the men in the cave that Plato came up with, and he was 664 00:39:23,350 --> 00:39:27,190 telling them that there's a fire behind them and they're looking at shadows 665 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:30,650 on the wall of the cave and they think that's all reality is the shadows. 666 00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:33,680 Because these people have never, they can't turn around 667 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,700 and see what's behind them. 668 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,750 But there's another whole world behind them. 669 00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:41,100 The fire and the people who tend the fire and where the firewood 670 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:45,230 came from, all of that is tended by something outside of their reality. 671 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,070 And their reality is just as limited to the shadows on the wall. 672 00:39:49,725 --> 00:39:52,195 And yes, they can move and the shadows will move. 673 00:39:52,195 --> 00:39:56,145 So they identify with the shadows as being who they are. 674 00:39:56,705 --> 00:40:01,885 So that was Plato and he was an idealist and many of the best 675 00:40:02,005 --> 00:40:05,595 philosophers through history have been idealists, I think was one of 676 00:40:05,595 --> 00:40:07,955 the last big names was probably Kant. 677 00:40:08,555 --> 00:40:14,125 He was An idealist, but in any case, that argument between idealism 678 00:40:14,125 --> 00:40:20,055 and realism has been going on for millennia, and now it's solved. 679 00:40:20,355 --> 00:40:23,235 Basically with the double slit experiment, it was solved. 680 00:40:23,835 --> 00:40:26,935 And that is, it's not matter, matter is not fundamental, what's 681 00:40:26,935 --> 00:40:31,885 fundamental is probabilistic, that's math, that's not anything physical. 682 00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:35,550 In that point, that argument was done. 683 00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:37,990 It turns out the idealists were right. 684 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:41,500 There is something behind the physical, otherwise. 685 00:40:42,070 --> 00:40:46,380 Physical particles would not be based on, that means they 686 00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:48,650 come from, probability waves. 687 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:50,630 That wouldn't work that way. 688 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:54,860 And, you know, in our science, all the tiny little particles are what 689 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,430 built or what are used to build bigger particles and bigger particles that we 690 00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:01,230 get the kind of mass that we're used to. 691 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,190 But it's all built from the bottoms up out of these little subatomic particles 692 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,800 that are nothing but probability. 693 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,870 So that tells you that mass isn't the thing that is fundamental. 694 00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:17,380 You might say probability is fundamental, but that doesn't really make any sense. 695 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,260 Probability is just a mathematics. 696 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:23,790 It's just the way of looking at certain parts of quantity that some things 697 00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:25,600 are more or less probable than others. 698 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,630 But as it turns out, consciousness Is what is fundamental, the thing 699 00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:33,890 that everything else is built out of. 700 00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:35,240 Okay. 701 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,080 So I'd like to go back a little bit to your time at the Monroe Institute 702 00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:42,490 because I'm fascinated by the work that he's done and read Bob's books. 703 00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:51,050 So during that time you learned how to experience or visit different realities 704 00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:54,950 other than our current one, which is the PMR, physical matter reality. 705 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:55,680 I've got that right. 706 00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:56,220 Yeah. 707 00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:59,830 was the most interesting alternative reality that you visited during that 708 00:41:59,830 --> 00:42:01,650 time or even since then, actually? 709 00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:04,440 There are a lot of alternative realities, 710 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,340 and there's all sorts of virtual realities out there. 711 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,600 I guess we ought to talk about virtual realities. 712 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,770 Virtual realities are realities that are created by a rule set, okay? 713 00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:19,030 If you play The Sims, that's a virtual reality, and it's created by a rule 714 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:20,580 set of what the players can do. 715 00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:23,020 There's certain things they can do, and certain things they can't do. 716 00:42:23,925 --> 00:42:27,205 So if you, if they have a swimming pool and somebody goes around, pulls 717 00:42:27,205 --> 00:42:30,585 up all the ladders they can't get out because the rules are that they 718 00:42:30,585 --> 00:42:32,005 can't get out unless there's a ladder. 719 00:42:32,315 --> 00:42:35,985 That's not the way it works in our universe, but that's the 720 00:42:35,985 --> 00:42:37,575 way it works in the Sims world. 721 00:42:37,945 --> 00:42:40,800 At least that's the way it did work when my youngest daughter 722 00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:45,800 pulled all the ladders out and in order to get gravestones in her 723 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,480 front yard, because that was cool. 724 00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:53,440 So anyway, I digress, but a virtual reality is made based on rules. 725 00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:56,740 The rules that say what people can do and can't, it's the rules of 726 00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:59,560 causality basically is what made up. 727 00:42:59,870 --> 00:43:02,130 Now we live in a virtual reality. 728 00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:06,490 This physical universe we call our physical universe, I guess that's 729 00:43:06,490 --> 00:43:08,060 our name for it, a physical universe. 730 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,300 It's a virtual reality. 731 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:10,190 It's information. 732 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,960 Remember, consciousness gets information and takes that information and interprets 733 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,040 a reality from that information it gets. 734 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,150 So each of us is a piece of consciousness getting a data stream from the larger 735 00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:25,940 consciousness system, and we interpret it to be this physical universe. 736 00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,450 Alright, now that's not the only virtual reality in town. 737 00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:31,020 There's lots of other virtual realities. 738 00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:35,680 There's others like ours, what we call the physical universe, 739 00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:37,730 that have a very tight rule set. 740 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,350 Now our rule set is what we call science. 741 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560 It's physics, it's chemistry, it's biology. 742 00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:46,080 Those are the rules of how things can work. 743 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,133 There's a physical causality defines what we can do and what we can't do. 744 00:43:50,573 --> 00:43:53,603 A human being can't flap its hands and fly away. 745 00:43:53,883 --> 00:43:57,383 It also can't jump 20 feet in the air, there's things we just can't do 746 00:43:57,383 --> 00:43:59,753 because the rules just won't allow it. 747 00:44:00,173 --> 00:44:03,243 We're too heavy, too much gravity, we're not made, we can't flap 748 00:44:03,243 --> 00:44:05,363 our arms fast enough and etc. 749 00:44:05,833 --> 00:44:07,653 We have to obey the rules. 750 00:44:08,653 --> 00:44:12,093 We get hit in the head with something serious to give us brain damage, then 751 00:44:12,093 --> 00:44:15,993 maybe we slur our speech, we drag our left foot and lose our memory. 752 00:44:16,423 --> 00:44:20,343 But that doesn't affect consciousness any, that just means that now 753 00:44:20,343 --> 00:44:25,293 that piece of consciousness has to deal with an avatar with damage. 754 00:44:25,303 --> 00:44:26,563 Has to deal with an avatar. 755 00:44:26,733 --> 00:44:28,293 Same in Sims. 756 00:44:28,303 --> 00:44:31,273 If your Sims character gets damaged, then you just have to deal with a 757 00:44:31,333 --> 00:44:35,213 damaged Sims character until they heal, until they get over the damage, 758 00:44:35,583 --> 00:44:36,713 you have to deal with the damage. 759 00:44:36,713 --> 00:44:38,487 So it that works the same way. 760 00:44:38,867 --> 00:44:44,647 Now, there are also very loose rulesets, where you have a lot more leeway. 761 00:44:44,657 --> 00:44:45,897 You don't have... 762 00:44:46,897 --> 00:44:52,337 Every tiny interaction, part of a rule, like it is here with the physics. 763 00:44:53,327 --> 00:44:54,707 Like your dream reality. 764 00:44:54,947 --> 00:44:58,987 When you dream, you're basically interacting in a different reality frame. 765 00:44:59,987 --> 00:45:03,137 When you daydream, you're creating a virtual reality. 766 00:45:03,137 --> 00:45:06,937 You're consciousness, and you can create virtual realities in your own daydream. 767 00:45:07,937 --> 00:45:15,407 And you do that only when your intellect is no longer feeding the daydream. 768 00:45:15,567 --> 00:45:18,427 You might start your daydream with your intellect, but eventually if 769 00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:23,377 you just let that daydream just go on and let it unravel as it does 770 00:45:23,387 --> 00:45:28,267 without you making everything happen, then you're creating a virtual 771 00:45:28,277 --> 00:45:30,727 reality from your own consciousness. 772 00:45:30,747 --> 00:45:32,337 Consciousness can do that sort of thing. 773 00:45:32,337 --> 00:45:35,967 Just wee little pieces of consciousness can do pretty much everything 774 00:45:35,967 --> 00:45:37,147 the big consciousness can do. 775 00:45:37,157 --> 00:45:41,647 We just can't do it as much, as well, as fast. 776 00:45:41,897 --> 00:45:42,887 We're small pieces. 777 00:45:43,467 --> 00:45:47,167 We're just little pieces of this consciousness so we don't have all the 778 00:45:47,757 --> 00:45:53,207 abilities of the system, but we have most of the same attributes as the system. 779 00:45:54,207 --> 00:45:57,787 So yes, when you fall asleep at night, you get a different data stream. 780 00:45:58,517 --> 00:46:02,797 And that data stream has a loose rule set, and in your dreams you can teleport, 781 00:46:03,377 --> 00:46:07,097 you can disappear one place, appear someplace else, things can come and 782 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:11,377 go in a hurry, and it doesn't have to make sense as far as, doesn't have to 783 00:46:11,377 --> 00:46:15,717 be like it is here, in what we call the physical world, because it's a different 784 00:46:15,717 --> 00:46:17,327 virtual reality with different rules. 785 00:46:18,037 --> 00:46:22,147 There's a different virtual reality you go to after you die, and you're 786 00:46:22,147 --> 00:46:23,997 no longer in this physical universe. 787 00:46:24,457 --> 00:46:26,727 You end up in another virtual reality. 788 00:46:27,067 --> 00:46:30,447 There's literally just hundreds of virtual realities that are 789 00:46:31,147 --> 00:46:33,477 defined for one purpose or another. 790 00:46:33,897 --> 00:46:38,047 And there are, I wouldn't say hundreds, but there's at least some 791 00:46:38,847 --> 00:46:42,767 virtual realities that are just as tight a rule set as we have here. 792 00:46:43,192 --> 00:46:46,402 Other worlds like our physical universe, but it's a physical 793 00:46:46,402 --> 00:46:48,102 universe, but not like ours. 794 00:46:48,512 --> 00:46:53,432 What makes it physical is the fact that it has a very tight rule set, lots of rules. 795 00:46:53,482 --> 00:46:56,122 Every little tiny thing has to follow the rules. 796 00:46:57,397 --> 00:47:02,877 There are, I've been to several, probably 5, 6, 8, 10, I don't 797 00:47:02,877 --> 00:47:04,147 know, over the many years. 798 00:47:04,147 --> 00:47:09,477 I've been doing this now for 50 years and I've been to quite a few of those 799 00:47:09,497 --> 00:47:17,147 virtual realities that are physical and they have beings not always like us. 800 00:47:17,787 --> 00:47:23,017 They mostly end up to be bipeds, but not always. 801 00:47:23,667 --> 00:47:27,877 Sometimes there's other things that aren't like us at all that evolve. 802 00:47:27,887 --> 00:47:35,317 But more often than not, they are like us, and their physics there is like ours too. 803 00:47:35,887 --> 00:47:40,397 And the reason for that is that it's hard to get a rule set that 804 00:47:40,397 --> 00:47:43,107 will create a stable universe. 805 00:47:43,677 --> 00:47:47,497 Remember, I mentioned all those constants that had to be just so to nine decimal 806 00:47:47,497 --> 00:47:49,017 places to get a stable universe. 807 00:47:49,207 --> 00:47:51,607 It's not like you can just do that real easily. 808 00:47:52,047 --> 00:47:53,397 That's a lot of trouble. 809 00:47:53,677 --> 00:47:56,827 So the same ones that work there, tend to work elsewhere. 810 00:47:56,857 --> 00:48:00,307 So yeah, they have gravity, just like we have gravity, that's one of the rules. 811 00:48:00,597 --> 00:48:06,207 They have a lot of the things we have because it's hard to make a virtual 812 00:48:06,207 --> 00:48:12,027 reality that will evolve for billions of years and not have it self destruct. 813 00:48:12,707 --> 00:48:16,277 So it ends up that a lot of the things are similar because 814 00:48:16,277 --> 00:48:18,817 the system uses what works. 815 00:48:19,587 --> 00:48:22,757 Besides the system that's a information system. 816 00:48:22,757 --> 00:48:26,872 It's a lot easier to say, copy, paste, and now you have three other virtual 817 00:48:26,882 --> 00:48:30,932 realities that are based on the same building blocks as the first one. 818 00:48:30,992 --> 00:48:32,122 That's just simple. 819 00:48:32,452 --> 00:48:33,272 It's easy to do. 820 00:48:33,272 --> 00:48:34,992 You don't always have to start from scratch. 821 00:48:34,992 --> 00:48:40,172 If you spent you know, 10, 000 tries trying to get all those constants just 822 00:48:40,172 --> 00:48:42,002 right, you don't have to do that again. 823 00:48:42,422 --> 00:48:44,302 You can just start from what you've got. 824 00:48:44,682 --> 00:48:45,782 Some of it's similar. 825 00:48:46,302 --> 00:48:51,712 I've been to places that have been a lot uglier and meaner than what we have here. 826 00:48:52,572 --> 00:48:58,992 And I've been to places, and let's just say less evolved than we are here. 827 00:48:59,472 --> 00:49:04,012 And I've been to places that, one, one place, it was a little more 828 00:49:04,012 --> 00:49:07,597 evolved than what we have here, but mostly they're less evolved. 829 00:49:07,677 --> 00:49:11,127 We're one of the high end believe it or not with all the dysfunction 830 00:49:11,127 --> 00:49:14,727 we've got in our world, you'd think we're on the bottom, but we're not. 831 00:49:14,757 --> 00:49:20,347 We've got a lot of potential here that the others haven't yet gotten to. 832 00:49:21,347 --> 00:49:26,347 Now, another thing I should put in here is that, so what is our purpose? 833 00:49:26,357 --> 00:49:30,317 What are we supposed to do and why are we here playing in this virtual reality game? 834 00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:33,237 We are individuated units of consciousness. 835 00:49:34,012 --> 00:49:36,162 And in order to evolve, we make choices. 836 00:49:36,342 --> 00:49:37,822 That's definition of consciousness. 837 00:49:37,872 --> 00:49:39,292 It's awareness with a choice. 838 00:49:39,882 --> 00:49:44,322 So the choices we were making when we didn't have this physical 839 00:49:44,322 --> 00:49:48,822 reality full of avatars were like being in a big chat room. 840 00:49:49,502 --> 00:49:54,722 The first virtual reality was communication protocols, and 841 00:49:54,722 --> 00:49:56,092 that just defined language. 842 00:49:56,282 --> 00:49:58,212 That's a rule set, defined language. 843 00:49:58,212 --> 00:50:01,282 Okay, all these individual units of consciousness in the system could 844 00:50:01,292 --> 00:50:05,452 all chit chat with each other because there was a virtual reality that 845 00:50:05,542 --> 00:50:07,512 gave it communication protocols. 846 00:50:08,122 --> 00:50:13,092 But there wasn't a lot of experience that was really meaningful and challenging. 847 00:50:13,572 --> 00:50:15,802 It's just a big chat room with almost no rules. 848 00:50:15,812 --> 00:50:18,992 So you could pretty much do anything and that was okay. 849 00:50:19,652 --> 00:50:24,012 Not a lot of great consequences for the choices that you made. 850 00:50:24,567 --> 00:50:28,627 So the system needed to make another virtual reality that was 851 00:50:28,627 --> 00:50:33,457 more a tighter rule set because the tighter the rule set is, the more 852 00:50:33,657 --> 00:50:35,587 consequences you create, right? 853 00:50:35,627 --> 00:50:37,787 The more strategies you create. 854 00:50:38,747 --> 00:50:40,737 In other words, let me make that a little clearer. 855 00:50:40,927 --> 00:50:43,607 If you and I, if I said, okay, Rod let's play a game. 856 00:50:44,017 --> 00:50:44,357 Okay. 857 00:50:44,357 --> 00:50:45,037 You go first. 858 00:50:46,037 --> 00:50:48,817 You wouldn't know what to do because we don't have any rules, 859 00:50:48,877 --> 00:50:49,897 you'd say I get what you mean. 860 00:50:49,897 --> 00:50:50,457 I go first. 861 00:50:50,457 --> 00:50:52,507 There's no rules because there's no rules. 862 00:50:52,507 --> 00:50:53,327 There's no game. 863 00:50:53,677 --> 00:50:55,427 The game is made with rules. 864 00:50:55,957 --> 00:50:57,787 Now, the rules could be real loose. 865 00:50:57,857 --> 00:50:59,167 This is just high card. 866 00:50:59,177 --> 00:51:01,927 You pick a card and I'll pick a card and the winner has the high card. 867 00:51:01,937 --> 00:51:02,697 That's real simple. 868 00:51:03,137 --> 00:51:03,967 Simple rules. 869 00:51:04,347 --> 00:51:05,797 You don't have much strategy. 870 00:51:06,387 --> 00:51:07,917 There's not much you can do about that. 871 00:51:07,917 --> 00:51:08,867 You're just picking a card. 872 00:51:08,867 --> 00:51:09,887 It's just random stuff. 873 00:51:10,297 --> 00:51:16,067 But if you have real complex rules, oh, this character can only move sideways for 874 00:51:16,067 --> 00:51:20,437 three slots, and this one can only move back and forth, and this one can do that. 875 00:51:20,787 --> 00:51:22,217 And you've got all these rules. 876 00:51:22,517 --> 00:51:24,377 Now you have something that has... 877 00:51:24,852 --> 00:51:25,612 strategy. 878 00:51:25,782 --> 00:51:29,602 You can figure out what to do and what to do next and what's good and what's not 879 00:51:29,612 --> 00:51:34,222 good move and suddenly there's all kinds of complexity involved in the experience 880 00:51:34,272 --> 00:51:35,982 of interacting with that rule set. 881 00:51:36,652 --> 00:51:39,942 So the consciousness said we need a tighter rule set rather than 882 00:51:39,942 --> 00:51:41,722 just communication protocols. 883 00:51:42,017 --> 00:51:48,257 So the consciousness can experience meaningful consequences. 884 00:51:48,557 --> 00:51:50,607 So it can learn and it can grow. 885 00:51:50,877 --> 00:51:52,457 How does consciousness learn? 886 00:51:52,857 --> 00:51:55,167 It learns how to lower its entropy. 887 00:51:55,167 --> 00:51:56,097 That's what it's all about. 888 00:51:56,107 --> 00:51:57,167 That's what drives us. 889 00:51:57,437 --> 00:51:58,407 That's our mission. 890 00:51:58,827 --> 00:52:02,297 That's what we're about is to lower the entropy of our consciousness. 891 00:52:02,777 --> 00:52:06,237 And when we do that, the whole system's entropy is lowered a little 892 00:52:06,237 --> 00:52:07,697 bit because we're part of the system. 893 00:52:08,327 --> 00:52:10,327 That's our job, is to lower our entropy. 894 00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:11,567 That is, grow up. 895 00:52:12,247 --> 00:52:12,657 Okay? 896 00:52:12,817 --> 00:52:18,417 And that turns out to be, lowering entropy is the same as cooperating. 897 00:52:18,937 --> 00:52:19,617 Caring. 898 00:52:20,617 --> 00:52:22,667 Interacting with each other positively. 899 00:52:23,217 --> 00:52:26,877 And I can make that obvious if you just take two groups of people, 900 00:52:27,747 --> 00:52:32,167 almost identical, except this group is called the love group, and this 901 00:52:32,167 --> 00:52:33,347 other group is the fear group. 902 00:52:34,107 --> 00:52:38,847 And you give each one of them a certain amount of resources, and certain space 903 00:52:38,887 --> 00:52:43,647 that they can move in and say, all right, you guys go, okay, you got a 904 00:52:43,657 --> 00:52:45,797 fairly tight rule set now like our earth. 905 00:52:46,297 --> 00:52:47,147 What are they going to do? 906 00:52:47,507 --> 00:52:49,607 The one that's the love group, they will cooperate. 907 00:52:49,767 --> 00:52:50,987 They'll care about each other. 908 00:52:51,287 --> 00:52:53,937 They will build a system with those resources to take care of 909 00:52:53,937 --> 00:52:59,947 everybody as best they can, because they're everybody's interested that 910 00:52:59,957 --> 00:53:02,402 everybody else gets their fair share. 911 00:53:03,402 --> 00:53:04,692 That's just the way they are. 912 00:53:04,892 --> 00:53:05,152 Okay. 913 00:53:05,152 --> 00:53:05,982 That's the love group. 914 00:53:06,312 --> 00:53:07,442 Now you have the fear group. 915 00:53:08,062 --> 00:53:10,402 Of course, if you have fear, you don't have trust. 916 00:53:11,227 --> 00:53:13,137 If you don't have trust, then it's all about you. 917 00:53:13,157 --> 00:53:14,097 You're self centered. 918 00:53:14,867 --> 00:53:18,147 And if it's self centered, then it's what can I get and how can I keep it? 919 00:53:18,937 --> 00:53:22,947 And if everybody is in a what can I get and how can I keep it mode, then 920 00:53:22,947 --> 00:53:27,467 pretty soon the big guys beat up the little guys and take their stuff. 921 00:53:27,747 --> 00:53:29,027 That's just the way it is. 922 00:53:29,397 --> 00:53:31,977 And then the little guys will get together and say, okay, there'll be 923 00:53:32,007 --> 00:53:33,517 10 of us and we'll all work together. 924 00:53:33,527 --> 00:53:36,477 And another big guy comes along, we'll lock him and take his stuff. 925 00:53:36,912 --> 00:53:40,762 So then the big guys start forming up teams and, and so on that grows. 926 00:53:40,762 --> 00:53:43,382 And what you have is very much like the reality we live in. 927 00:53:43,972 --> 00:53:51,832 The fundamental ethic for civilization is the warlord. 928 00:53:52,332 --> 00:53:56,962 That's how the strong get at the top, the ones that have power and those 929 00:53:56,962 --> 00:54:01,022 delegate down through lower levels of power until you have all the serfs 930 00:54:01,022 --> 00:54:04,947 and the peasants or whatever people at the bottom who do most all the 931 00:54:04,947 --> 00:54:11,887 work, and you end up with 5% of the individuals owning 95% of all the stuff. 932 00:54:12,407 --> 00:54:16,997 It's the warlord mentality is how we see the world. 933 00:54:17,777 --> 00:54:21,647 How a lot of us see the world and that's just defines a 934 00:54:21,647 --> 00:54:23,287 low quality of consciousness. 935 00:54:23,337 --> 00:54:27,147 That's a high entropy consciousness, which is a low quality of consciousness. 936 00:54:27,817 --> 00:54:30,987 A high quality of consciousness is a low entropy consciousness. 937 00:54:31,377 --> 00:54:35,287 So you see, just looking at those two models, which one is the low entropy. 938 00:54:35,327 --> 00:54:41,997 In other words, which one is stable, which one produces more, which one 939 00:54:42,407 --> 00:54:46,517 ends up as being a place you'd like to live as opposed to not, and you'll 940 00:54:46,517 --> 00:54:50,597 see that the low entropy, the thing that builds and can build on itself 941 00:54:50,597 --> 00:54:53,417 and keep building on itself, you know, get a foundation and build. 942 00:54:53,697 --> 00:54:57,257 As opposed to the fear group, which some of the people in their group 943 00:54:57,307 --> 00:55:01,647 in a fear can build something up, but there's always already somebody 944 00:55:01,857 --> 00:55:03,187 who wants to tear that down. 945 00:55:04,027 --> 00:55:06,917 Somebody who wants to be the leader, somebody that wants to be 946 00:55:06,917 --> 00:55:10,357 up higher on the top, and they'll get rid of those people on the top. 947 00:55:10,387 --> 00:55:14,077 There's always warring, fighting, struggling, people trying to take each 948 00:55:14,077 --> 00:55:16,397 other's stuff and manipulate the peasants. 949 00:55:16,397 --> 00:55:19,997 And it's always struggle, which is very high entropy. 950 00:55:20,997 --> 00:55:24,617 Everybody getting along and sharing and doing the best they can 951 00:55:24,617 --> 00:55:26,837 together, that's very low entropy. 952 00:55:26,887 --> 00:55:28,087 There's no conflict there. 953 00:55:28,637 --> 00:55:30,167 You don't have that kind of thing. 954 00:55:30,872 --> 00:55:32,682 There's not even any rudeness there. 955 00:55:33,452 --> 00:55:36,742 It's just, I know it's hard to imagine but that's the way it works. 956 00:55:36,802 --> 00:55:37,032 Yeah. 957 00:55:38,032 --> 00:55:42,992 Now, some people will immediately say that, oh that one is it's controlled. 958 00:55:42,992 --> 00:55:45,482 They have all these rules, and I don't want to, I'll be in that one that's 959 00:55:45,482 --> 00:55:47,452 rowdy because that one has more freedom. 960 00:55:47,772 --> 00:55:48,652 That's not true. 961 00:55:49,102 --> 00:55:53,302 The one that is the low entropy has the fewest rules. 962 00:55:53,862 --> 00:55:56,482 It doesn't have to have big hierarchies and all the rules that 963 00:55:56,532 --> 00:56:01,692 force control down so that the top can control the middle and the bottom. 964 00:56:01,702 --> 00:56:03,482 They don't need all of those rules. 965 00:56:04,482 --> 00:56:05,922 They don't have rules. 966 00:56:06,302 --> 00:56:09,932 It's not that, hey, you do this and you do that and here are the rules. 967 00:56:10,772 --> 00:56:14,522 You're thinking that this collective over here that works nicely 968 00:56:14,522 --> 00:56:16,912 together is run by a dictator. 969 00:56:16,912 --> 00:56:23,362 It's not, because all of the experience that we have with collectives is they're 970 00:56:23,372 --> 00:56:27,582 collectives of a bunch of people who have a very low quality of consciousness. 971 00:56:28,072 --> 00:56:32,782 So you get a bunch of people together for a cooperative collective and they're 972 00:56:32,782 --> 00:56:36,002 all people based on fear, what happens? 973 00:56:36,402 --> 00:56:38,102 It turns into something ugly. 974 00:56:38,812 --> 00:56:42,882 Okay, the people had grand ideas about how it was going to be so wonderful, 975 00:56:42,882 --> 00:56:46,702 and everybody would love each other, but you got a bunch of high entropy people, 976 00:56:47,332 --> 00:56:50,702 they're going to turn it into a warlord thing, and somebody's going to become 977 00:56:50,702 --> 00:56:54,912 the dictator, and it all goes to hell in a handbasket, because the people... 978 00:56:55,727 --> 00:56:59,557 They don't have enough quality to be caring. 979 00:56:59,837 --> 00:57:00,987 It's all about them. 980 00:57:00,997 --> 00:57:02,047 They're all self centered. 981 00:57:02,437 --> 00:57:07,457 So the collective has a really bad name because it always fails and turns up in 982 00:57:07,457 --> 00:57:13,867 something ugly because the people are not high quality enough to make it work. 983 00:57:14,287 --> 00:57:17,827 But where you have a collective of high quality people, low entropy 984 00:57:17,847 --> 00:57:21,217 people, which is what I said here, then it's not like that. 985 00:57:21,787 --> 00:57:25,277 If somebody in the collective says, oh, I'm tired of doing brain surgery. 986 00:57:25,317 --> 00:57:27,327 I need to get out and get some fresh air. 987 00:57:27,377 --> 00:57:28,727 I need to do something else. 988 00:57:29,447 --> 00:57:33,872 And the rest of the collective will try to adjust to make that 989 00:57:33,872 --> 00:57:35,902 individual get what they want. 990 00:57:36,902 --> 00:57:39,112 It's not I'm a brain surgeon, that's what I'm trained to do. 991 00:57:39,152 --> 00:57:41,622 So whether that's boring or not, that's what I'm going to do for 992 00:57:41,622 --> 00:57:45,122 the next 50 years or 30 years, because that's the track I'm on. 993 00:57:45,122 --> 00:57:46,412 And you're stuck in that track. 994 00:57:47,232 --> 00:57:49,312 In this other system, you're never stuck in anything. 995 00:57:49,782 --> 00:57:54,572 The system that, of those people with the high quality of consciousness will adjust 996 00:57:54,572 --> 00:58:00,012 itself to accommodate every individual as best it can, as best as possible. 997 00:58:00,652 --> 00:58:04,852 So you decide what you want to do is make pretty pictures and write poetry. 998 00:58:05,342 --> 00:58:08,632 That has value and that's valued. 999 00:58:08,692 --> 00:58:09,852 So that's fine. 1000 00:58:10,657 --> 00:58:13,437 And if you want to do that instead of brain surgery, that's okay, too. 1001 00:58:13,937 --> 00:58:16,777 So the system will train enough brain surgeons and train enough 1002 00:58:16,807 --> 00:58:20,507 whatever so that you can do what you want to do when you want to do it. 1003 00:58:21,007 --> 00:58:24,277 You got a midlife crisis and suddenly you want to change everything. 1004 00:58:24,597 --> 00:58:26,287 The rest of the system will support it. 1005 00:58:27,107 --> 00:58:27,957 That's changes. 1006 00:58:28,277 --> 00:58:32,457 So you have the maximum amount of freedom in that love. 1007 00:58:33,457 --> 00:58:36,557 Rather than in a fear group, you have the minimum amount of freedom. 1008 00:58:36,787 --> 00:58:38,537 There's always a lot of rules. 1009 00:58:39,067 --> 00:58:42,847 Because the people at the top make rules to make sure they stay on top. 1010 00:58:43,447 --> 00:58:48,167 And you have all these rules to prevent low quality of consciousness 1011 00:58:48,167 --> 00:58:49,367 from killing each other. 1012 00:58:49,377 --> 00:58:52,957 You've got all the criminal law, which is all a bunch of rules. 1013 00:58:52,957 --> 00:58:55,227 You don't need criminal law in this other place. 1014 00:58:55,517 --> 00:58:56,507 There are no criminals. 1015 00:58:57,507 --> 00:58:59,207 You don't have any of that kind of behavior. 1016 00:58:59,417 --> 00:59:00,897 Nobody wants to take it over. 1017 00:59:00,897 --> 00:59:02,387 Nobody wants to be the leader. 1018 00:59:02,387 --> 00:59:06,247 Nobody wants to do that because they're all high quality individuals. 1019 00:59:06,427 --> 00:59:08,847 So I know hard to imagine that's possible. 1020 00:59:09,047 --> 00:59:11,277 But just think it's theoretically possible. 1021 00:59:11,287 --> 00:59:12,957 Yes, we could grow up that much. 1022 00:59:13,797 --> 00:59:16,217 So let's see, where was I? 1023 00:59:16,217 --> 00:59:21,637 So that's the reason our purpose here on this life is to grow up, become love. 1024 00:59:22,307 --> 00:59:25,307 Make those choices, make it about other rather than about self. 1025 00:59:25,717 --> 00:59:29,647 Get rid of the self centered 'oh, it's all about me' and what I want and how 1026 00:59:29,647 --> 00:59:33,937 can I get it, and then how can I keep it, and who do I have to run over to get it? 1027 00:59:33,947 --> 00:59:35,867 It's how can I control things? 1028 00:59:36,227 --> 00:59:38,027 We want to control everything. 1029 00:59:38,507 --> 00:59:39,977 We want to control our spouse. 1030 00:59:40,007 --> 00:59:41,417 We want to control our children. 1031 00:59:41,777 --> 00:59:44,127 We want them to be this way instead of that way. 1032 00:59:45,127 --> 00:59:49,847 When I talk about that warlord mentality, it's not just politics in nation states. 1033 00:59:49,857 --> 00:59:51,057 It's about individuals. 1034 00:59:51,457 --> 00:59:54,467 Individuals see themselves as little warlords of their own. 1035 00:59:54,872 --> 00:59:58,142 A little universe that they live in and they want the kids to grow 1036 00:59:58,142 --> 01:00:01,692 up and be doctors and lawyers and instead of drug addicts. 1037 01:00:01,702 --> 01:00:05,152 So they, put rules out there, but the rules tend to drive kids to be the 1038 01:00:05,152 --> 01:00:09,752 drug addicts, so it's a different idea that's hard for people to get their 1039 01:00:09,752 --> 01:00:11,142 heads around this different idea. 1040 01:00:11,142 --> 01:00:13,852 So yes, there's lots of other virtual realities out there. 1041 01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:15,712 Lots of virtual realities. 1042 01:00:15,812 --> 01:00:20,792 Every reality, that means anywhere that you can have experience, if 1043 01:00:20,792 --> 01:00:24,752 you can experience in that reality, then it's a virtual reality. 1044 01:00:25,242 --> 01:00:28,452 Because the only way you can have experience is if there are rules that 1045 01:00:28,452 --> 01:00:30,842 provide context for the experience. 1046 01:00:31,612 --> 01:00:34,742 Just like that game I said, if I just say, okay, here's a game, you go 1047 01:00:34,742 --> 01:00:37,352 first, you can't experience that game. 1048 01:00:37,352 --> 01:00:39,112 There's no experience because there aren't any rules. 1049 01:00:39,492 --> 01:00:41,452 It's the rules that create the experience. 1050 01:00:41,902 --> 01:00:48,782 If any reality you can be in, dreaming, imagining, out of bodying, anything that 1051 01:00:48,782 --> 01:00:54,052 you can be in, there you can experience, that's a virtual reality, because 1052 01:00:54,052 --> 01:00:56,892 rules are required for experience. 1053 01:00:57,892 --> 01:01:01,412 They create the context for the experience. 1054 01:01:02,412 --> 01:01:05,212 Yes, lots of other realities out there. 1055 01:01:05,452 --> 01:01:10,022 The larger consciousness system wouldn't put all of its eggs in just one basket. 1056 01:01:10,072 --> 01:01:11,812 It would have different virtual realities. 1057 01:01:11,812 --> 01:01:15,492 And maybe the way that they're managed would be different, because 1058 01:01:15,562 --> 01:01:19,132 the system would like to say, what's the most effective and efficient 1059 01:01:19,132 --> 01:01:22,437 way to run this virtual reality? 1060 01:01:22,507 --> 01:01:26,527 What can we do to help those conscious's that are playing 1061 01:01:26,527 --> 01:01:30,617 characters in that reality to grow up, to lower their entropy? 1062 01:01:30,647 --> 01:01:34,807 What could we do to make it a more effective training aid, because these 1063 01:01:34,807 --> 01:01:40,257 realities, our physical universe is an entropy reduction trainer. 1064 01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:45,237 We're in it being trained to make lower entropy choices. 1065 01:01:46,237 --> 01:01:52,227 Because by doing that, we evolve and the system evolves and the system will 1066 01:01:52,227 --> 01:01:57,507 support us and try to help us as it can, because our success is its success. 1067 01:01:58,507 --> 01:02:01,327 So there's multiple realities around because there's multiple 1068 01:02:01,327 --> 01:02:02,747 ways to approach that problem. 1069 01:02:03,747 --> 01:02:06,357 So I'm just hitting the highlights here and there, there's a whole 1070 01:02:06,357 --> 01:02:09,437 lot of things I'm not talking about because our show isn't that long. 1071 01:02:09,877 --> 01:02:14,077 We'd have to go for five or six hours, to get it, to get most of it out. 1072 01:02:14,127 --> 01:02:17,317 But In any case over to you, Rod I guess I've stirred up a 1073 01:02:17,317 --> 01:02:19,127 few questions in all of that. 1074 01:02:19,332 --> 01:02:22,492 Yeah that's why I always often have people come back for a live stream 1075 01:02:22,522 --> 01:02:23,832 because of all the other questions. 1076 01:02:24,242 --> 01:02:27,442 I think what we'll do is in stirring up this, I think people 1077 01:02:27,492 --> 01:02:30,072 are going to say, be saying, okay how do I learn more about this? 1078 01:02:30,072 --> 01:02:32,772 How do I, get in touch with these alternative realities 1079 01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:34,332 that Tom is talking about? 1080 01:02:34,342 --> 01:02:36,952 So why don't you tell us a bit about, I know you've got your books, why 1081 01:02:36,952 --> 01:02:39,192 don't you tell us a bit about what else you've got going on, how people 1082 01:02:39,192 --> 01:02:42,972 can learn more about what you do and any other programs you might have Tom. 1083 01:02:43,972 --> 01:02:48,552 Okay, first just a little basics, and that is that all of the paranormal 1084 01:02:48,562 --> 01:02:51,622 things happen in the intuitive channel. 1085 01:02:52,592 --> 01:02:56,242 Your consciousness basically has two channels in which 1086 01:02:56,252 --> 01:02:57,722 it processes information. 1087 01:02:58,132 --> 01:03:01,832 One channel is the intuitive channel, the other channel is the intellectual 1088 01:03:01,832 --> 01:03:03,742 channel, or the logic channel. 1089 01:03:04,142 --> 01:03:06,092 The intuitive channel does not do logic. 1090 01:03:06,902 --> 01:03:08,622 It does information without logic. 1091 01:03:08,722 --> 01:03:10,902 You get things, but it's not logical. 1092 01:03:11,452 --> 01:03:12,582 You just know. 1093 01:03:12,692 --> 01:03:13,762 It's the intuitive channel. 1094 01:03:14,072 --> 01:03:17,322 All things paranormal happen in the intuitive channel. 1095 01:03:18,042 --> 01:03:24,392 Now, we Westerners, and probably most Easterners these days too, the Western 1096 01:03:24,732 --> 01:03:26,682 cultures run over the whole world. 1097 01:03:27,682 --> 01:03:30,122 We tend to develop our intellectual... 1098 01:03:30,837 --> 01:03:34,657 side a lot because we do that. 1099 01:03:34,657 --> 01:03:38,867 We start with preschool and then school and then high school and 1100 01:03:38,867 --> 01:03:40,767 then college and graduate school. 1101 01:03:40,767 --> 01:03:41,757 We keep working on it. 1102 01:03:42,157 --> 01:03:44,707 Even if we don't go to school, we keep learning things. 1103 01:03:45,187 --> 01:03:48,477 Learning new skills, learning new things, understanding things better. 1104 01:03:49,067 --> 01:03:51,467 All of that is on our intellectual side. 1105 01:03:52,367 --> 01:03:52,807 Okay? 1106 01:03:53,382 --> 01:04:00,042 And on the intuitive side, we're not as smart intuitively as we 1107 01:04:00,042 --> 01:04:01,472 were when we were three years old. 1108 01:04:01,942 --> 01:04:05,112 When we were three years old, we were more intuitive than we are now. 1109 01:04:05,682 --> 01:04:08,402 And we've lost even that little bit. 1110 01:04:09,112 --> 01:04:17,112 So here we are with this, big macho muscle, and this tiny little infant baby 1111 01:04:17,112 --> 01:04:22,042 of a development on the intuitive side, almost to the point that scientists 1112 01:04:22,042 --> 01:04:23,762 will tell you, there is no intuition. 1113 01:04:23,832 --> 01:04:25,222 Intuition doesn't exist. 1114 01:04:26,222 --> 01:04:31,572 So all of the paranormal things then just can't exist because that's where they are. 1115 01:04:32,262 --> 01:04:37,812 So if you want to learn that, you have to learn it through your own experience. 1116 01:04:38,012 --> 01:04:40,732 Like I said, if it's not your experience, it's not your truth. 1117 01:04:41,537 --> 01:04:45,167 If you want to understand this larger reality from the inside, then you need 1118 01:04:45,167 --> 01:04:49,417 to experience these things and convince yourself through your own actions 1119 01:04:49,417 --> 01:04:51,907 and interactions that this is real. 1120 01:04:52,737 --> 01:04:58,147 And because I tell people don't believe anything I say, you need 1121 01:04:58,147 --> 01:04:59,767 to go experience it yourself. 1122 01:05:00,207 --> 01:05:03,647 And you can experience everything that I've experienced is open for experience. 1123 01:05:03,657 --> 01:05:07,347 I'm not particularly special in that only I can experience it, 1124 01:05:07,347 --> 01:05:08,697 everybody can experience it. 1125 01:05:09,697 --> 01:05:12,817 All right, how do you develop your intuitive side to where you can 1126 01:05:12,817 --> 01:05:14,477 experience it, where you can depend on it? 1127 01:05:14,977 --> 01:05:19,207 First, I will tell you that once you develop your intuitive side, you will 1128 01:05:19,207 --> 01:05:29,267 find it's just as correct, just as reliable as your intellectual side. 1129 01:05:29,707 --> 01:05:32,287 Right now, when it's undeveloped, you think it's flaky. 1130 01:05:32,287 --> 01:05:35,797 It's like your gut hunches, they are wrong as often as they are right. 1131 01:05:36,047 --> 01:05:38,587 That's because your intuitive side is undeveloped. 1132 01:05:39,107 --> 01:05:43,827 But once you develop it, actually, the truth is, it's more 1133 01:05:43,827 --> 01:05:46,847 accurate and more dependable. 1134 01:05:47,847 --> 01:05:50,097 More reliable than the intellectual side. 1135 01:05:50,107 --> 01:05:52,707 But I generally don't say that because I know that pushes 1136 01:05:52,707 --> 01:05:54,197 people's credibility buttons. 1137 01:05:54,777 --> 01:05:56,347 It's actually more reliable. 1138 01:05:56,787 --> 01:06:00,377 And the reason for that is your intellectual side is always 1139 01:06:00,387 --> 01:06:03,097 stymied by a lack of information. 1140 01:06:04,097 --> 01:06:09,107 Logic, deductive logic, requires a lot of information. 1141 01:06:10,107 --> 01:06:13,027 Okay, what is it I said the earlier important things? 1142 01:06:13,587 --> 01:06:14,487 Who should I marry? 1143 01:06:14,587 --> 01:06:16,106 How many children should I have? 1144 01:06:16,647 --> 01:06:18,517 Okay, now figure that out logically. 1145 01:06:19,517 --> 01:06:21,407 You can't figure that out logically. 1146 01:06:21,637 --> 01:06:23,517 There's not enough information. 1147 01:06:24,157 --> 01:06:27,567 The only way to figure that out logically is if you had a crystal ball 1148 01:06:27,827 --> 01:06:31,937 and if this happened to be a a reality that what is it called if you're a 1149 01:06:31,947 --> 01:06:33,657 materialist you're also a determinist. 1150 01:06:33,657 --> 01:06:37,667 If it was a determinist reality where nothing ever changed, nothing evolves, 1151 01:06:37,667 --> 01:06:39,887 nothing is learned, nothing ever changes. 1152 01:06:39,887 --> 01:06:41,577 It's determined at the beginning. 1153 01:06:41,577 --> 01:06:42,487 It's all done. 1154 01:06:43,137 --> 01:06:47,317 All right, if you were in a determinist reality and had a crystal ball, then 1155 01:06:47,317 --> 01:06:50,217 you'd know who to marry because you could just look and see how that 1156 01:06:50,217 --> 01:06:51,917 worked out over the next 50 years. 1157 01:06:52,717 --> 01:06:53,587 But you don't. 1158 01:06:53,607 --> 01:06:55,497 One, it's not a determinist reality. 1159 01:06:55,497 --> 01:06:57,447 There is no done deal on the future. 1160 01:06:57,457 --> 01:07:00,127 The future happens as we make choices. 1161 01:07:01,107 --> 01:07:05,197 There's possibilities and there's potentials and there's probabilities, and 1162 01:07:05,197 --> 01:07:09,327 there's a database that's the probable future database of all those things that 1163 01:07:09,327 --> 01:07:13,267 are likely to happen or that not likely that could happen all the possibilities 1164 01:07:13,497 --> 01:07:17,867 and the probabilities that each might happen, so that database is there. 1165 01:07:19,002 --> 01:07:20,022 There is no future. 1166 01:07:20,092 --> 01:07:24,872 So without a crystal ball, your logic isn't worth a damn when it comes to 1167 01:07:24,872 --> 01:07:26,912 the big questions of who do I marry? 1168 01:07:26,912 --> 01:07:28,412 Or how many children are we going to have? 1169 01:07:28,412 --> 01:07:31,462 Or, what sort of dog am I going to buy? 1170 01:07:31,472 --> 01:07:32,532 And just anything. 1171 01:07:32,872 --> 01:07:34,342 Which job should I take? 1172 01:07:34,412 --> 01:07:37,642 And inside that job, which position should I take? 1173 01:07:37,642 --> 01:07:39,962 Should I take this or should I wait for something better? 1174 01:07:40,612 --> 01:07:42,912 There's no logical answers to any of those questions. 1175 01:07:43,432 --> 01:07:49,137 All the questions you have that are really important to you are 1176 01:07:49,137 --> 01:07:50,727 all done on the intuitive side. 1177 01:07:51,727 --> 01:07:55,657 None of them can be solved from the intellectual side. 1178 01:07:55,667 --> 01:07:58,847 Now, we pretend that we solve them in the intellectual side. 1179 01:07:58,857 --> 01:08:00,247 We're good at pretending that. 1180 01:08:00,507 --> 01:08:05,337 We think we're very rational people and we run our life with logic, but that's 1181 01:08:05,357 --> 01:08:09,157 nonsense because we never have enough information to run our life with logic. 1182 01:08:10,137 --> 01:08:12,477 We run our life based on guessing. 1183 01:08:12,992 --> 01:08:15,112 And that guessing is based on our experience. 1184 01:08:16,112 --> 01:08:19,582 We have experiences, and things work out this way, so we guess that they 1185 01:08:19,582 --> 01:08:22,102 probably, previous trends will continue. 1186 01:08:22,672 --> 01:08:25,392 So we make guesses based on experiences, the way we deal 1187 01:08:25,392 --> 01:08:26,952 with that lack of information. 1188 01:08:27,412 --> 01:08:32,202 And when you make guesses based on the past, you're wrong an awful 1189 01:08:32,202 --> 01:08:35,402 lot, because the past doesn't have to repeat itself all the time. 1190 01:08:35,842 --> 01:08:40,717 If that's your mode of getting through life, then you'll be wrong almost as often 1191 01:08:40,717 --> 01:08:45,067 as you're right, because in dealing with people and what people do and why they do 1192 01:08:45,067 --> 01:08:50,187 it past experience just doesn't tell you a whole lot because everybody's different. 1193 01:08:50,247 --> 01:08:51,207 We aren't machines. 1194 01:08:51,207 --> 01:08:53,137 If we were all machines, that would work pretty well. 1195 01:08:53,137 --> 01:08:53,897 But we're not. 1196 01:08:54,397 --> 01:08:56,367 So we get a lot of it wrong. 1197 01:08:56,377 --> 01:08:59,977 We don't understand each other and we guess we think everybody's 1198 01:08:59,977 --> 01:09:02,477 like us and everybody thinks like us and feels like us. 1199 01:09:02,497 --> 01:09:04,897 And that's a very poor assumption to make. 1200 01:09:04,897 --> 01:09:09,537 But we treat everybody with the idea that they're just like us, but they aren't. 1201 01:09:10,037 --> 01:09:13,797 So everybody has this intuitive side, and they can develop it. 1202 01:09:14,297 --> 01:09:18,567 And I have some tools for developing, I have two really major tools for developing 1203 01:09:18,567 --> 01:09:22,887 your intuitive side, which will open the doors for all the paranormal things, 1204 01:09:22,887 --> 01:09:27,417 and I suggest that you put some time into it because it's not all that hard. 1205 01:09:27,907 --> 01:09:34,697 You can be reasonably good at healing other people with your mind very quickly. 1206 01:09:35,627 --> 01:09:38,407 You can be good at it almost immediately. 1207 01:09:38,852 --> 01:09:42,142 And get reasonably good at it in six months. 1208 01:09:42,142 --> 01:09:43,342 It doesn't take a lot of time. 1209 01:09:43,602 --> 01:09:46,102 That's one of the easiest paranormal things to do. 1210 01:09:46,602 --> 01:09:49,482 Because there's so much uncertainty in the probabilities with it. 1211 01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:53,922 Because biology is so complex, there's lots of uncertainties 1212 01:09:53,932 --> 01:09:55,012 about what might happen. 1213 01:09:55,972 --> 01:09:59,492 It's a very complex machine, and you really don't know how that might work out. 1214 01:09:59,862 --> 01:10:05,132 There are people that have stage 4 cancer, and given two weeks to live, and after 1215 01:10:05,132 --> 01:10:08,062 a week, they don't have any cancer at all, and they live another 30 years. 1216 01:10:08,982 --> 01:10:09,772 That happens. 1217 01:10:10,152 --> 01:10:14,342 So biology is just has so many possibilities and what we're 1218 01:10:14,342 --> 01:10:18,422 doing is manipulating the possibilities with your intent. 1219 01:10:18,462 --> 01:10:22,172 You can modify those probable future database. 1220 01:10:22,432 --> 01:10:25,372 You can modify the probabilities in that database. 1221 01:10:25,922 --> 01:10:28,572 So what is probable to happen? 1222 01:10:29,562 --> 01:10:30,852 Those probabilities will shift. 1223 01:10:30,852 --> 01:10:33,162 It doesn't mean that you'll get what you want. 1224 01:10:33,637 --> 01:10:36,147 It just means the probabilities have shifted, so it's a little 1225 01:10:36,147 --> 01:10:37,827 more likely you get what you want. 1226 01:10:38,777 --> 01:10:42,027 If what you wanted was a million to one, and now it's only a thousand to one 1227 01:10:42,027 --> 01:10:43,527 you're still not going to get it likely. 1228 01:10:43,547 --> 01:10:47,357 It's still a thousand to one, but you've really moved the probability a whole lot, 1229 01:10:47,377 --> 01:10:51,257 so it depends on where the probabilities are, how much you can move them, and how 1230 01:10:51,277 --> 01:10:53,617 adept you are at being able to move them. 1231 01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:57,157 But that's the way that works, so everybody can learn that sort of thing. 1232 01:10:57,157 --> 01:10:59,677 If you're doing remote viewing, you can be... 1233 01:11:00,177 --> 01:11:04,467 Good at it to where most of the time you get a lot of it, but not all of it but 1234 01:11:04,467 --> 01:11:09,037 a lot of it you know in what you know a week or two, you know a month or two. 1235 01:11:09,057 --> 01:11:15,727 It's just not that hard so you can do these things but you have to develop 1236 01:11:15,727 --> 01:11:20,077 that intuitive side and the hardest thing that people have, the thing 1237 01:11:20,097 --> 01:11:26,252 that makes it difficult is you've got this big muscle guy on your left 1238 01:11:26,252 --> 01:11:29,962 brain and that is your intellect. 1239 01:11:30,282 --> 01:11:33,692 And that intellect always wants to butt in and solve the problem because 1240 01:11:33,702 --> 01:11:35,052 that's how you deal with life. 1241 01:11:35,942 --> 01:11:37,962 You lead in life with your intellect. 1242 01:11:38,212 --> 01:11:40,572 Your intellect looks at things, finds out where the problems 1243 01:11:40,572 --> 01:11:41,762 are, avoids the problems. 1244 01:11:41,802 --> 01:11:42,772 Yay for my intellect. 1245 01:11:43,462 --> 01:11:44,952 And that's how you run this life. 1246 01:11:44,992 --> 01:11:48,112 As soon as you get into the intuitive channel, your 1247 01:11:48,112 --> 01:11:49,792 intellect wants to also butt in. 1248 01:11:50,792 --> 01:11:53,712 And as soon as it butts in, the intuitive channel's gone. 1249 01:11:54,712 --> 01:11:57,572 The intuitive channel isn't run by the intellect. 1250 01:11:57,602 --> 01:11:59,672 It's trashed by the intellect. 1251 01:12:00,442 --> 01:12:04,202 So the intuitive channel has to tell the intellect, go sit down, I 1252 01:12:04,222 --> 01:12:06,142 just want to experience something. 1253 01:12:06,632 --> 01:12:08,642 Leave me alone and don't butt in. 1254 01:12:09,222 --> 01:12:13,782 And most people have a real hard time getting their intellect to do 1255 01:12:13,782 --> 01:12:18,212 that because they're so habituated to that intellect running everything. 1256 01:12:18,872 --> 01:12:20,052 So that is the... 1257 01:12:20,512 --> 01:12:21,592 That's the big problem. 1258 01:12:21,862 --> 01:12:25,672 So it's not that we have to learn some clever new way of doing things. 1259 01:12:25,672 --> 01:12:29,602 We have to unlearn an old way of doing things, which is our 1260 01:12:30,122 --> 01:12:30,952 intellect's running everything. 1261 01:12:31,512 --> 01:12:33,332 We have to let that happen. 1262 01:12:34,272 --> 01:12:37,642 We have to just be open to the information and then get it. 1263 01:12:38,212 --> 01:12:42,042 Now, if our intellect is guessing what it is that will ruin it. 1264 01:12:42,172 --> 01:12:42,822 It won't work. 1265 01:12:43,642 --> 01:12:47,302 So I have two methods for doing that. 1266 01:12:48,302 --> 01:12:53,412 And there's really two methods for getting into the intuitive 1267 01:12:53,432 --> 01:12:55,192 state, developing your intuition. 1268 01:12:55,192 --> 01:12:59,782 One of them is through the standard role of meditation. 1269 01:13:00,242 --> 01:13:01,012 That's typical. 1270 01:13:01,372 --> 01:13:04,512 And what you do there is that you discipline your mind. 1271 01:13:05,272 --> 01:13:09,382 And most of it is discipline, disciplining your intellect to be quiet. 1272 01:13:09,972 --> 01:13:13,152 So in meditation, they'll tell you to sit down and have no thoughts. 1273 01:13:13,862 --> 01:13:15,822 In other words, tell your intellect to be quiet. 1274 01:13:15,846 --> 01:13:16,126 Yeah. 1275 01:13:16,772 --> 01:13:18,272 And eventually. 1276 01:13:18,727 --> 01:13:23,247 you will learn to discipline that intellect and be able to turn it off. 1277 01:13:24,037 --> 01:13:29,297 So the whole, the whole exercise in meditation is just to 1278 01:13:29,307 --> 01:13:31,747 discipline the intellect to get it to sit down and be quiet. 1279 01:13:31,767 --> 01:13:33,317 That's the whole point of it, mostly. 1280 01:13:34,087 --> 01:13:38,387 And a lot of people struggle with that and find it hard to do some find it 1281 01:13:38,457 --> 01:13:43,987 almost impossible to do and it takes time to do that because you not only need to 1282 01:13:43,987 --> 01:13:50,137 shut that intellect down for a second or two, but for the next half hour so 1283 01:13:50,137 --> 01:13:55,597 you can actually do things on the other side and not a single question or thought 1284 01:13:55,597 --> 01:13:56,927 or anything comes through your mind. 1285 01:13:56,927 --> 01:13:57,847 It's just open. 1286 01:13:58,577 --> 01:14:02,187 Ok, that's you becoming aware of the intuitive side. 1287 01:14:02,607 --> 01:14:04,577 And after that, just a little bit of work. 1288 01:14:04,597 --> 01:14:08,387 You can work on those paranormal things and they'll be fairly easy. 1289 01:14:08,757 --> 01:14:12,407 The other two things that get in the way, three things actually, they're all 1290 01:14:12,407 --> 01:14:14,957 based on one thing, and that's fear. 1291 01:14:15,457 --> 01:14:17,017 It's your fear will get in the way. 1292 01:14:17,787 --> 01:14:20,387 Now the fear has children. 1293 01:14:20,387 --> 01:14:21,617 There's two children of fear. 1294 01:14:21,617 --> 01:14:26,077 Where one of them is ego and the other one is belief. 1295 01:14:27,092 --> 01:14:29,732 Fears create a lot of ego and a lot of belief. 1296 01:14:30,732 --> 01:14:33,442 And that ego and that belief will cause you trouble. 1297 01:14:34,412 --> 01:14:37,692 So getting rid of your fear is really a good thing to do. 1298 01:14:37,832 --> 01:14:43,732 It'll make your intuitive voyages much easier and much more productive. 1299 01:14:44,202 --> 01:14:47,502 If you've got fear, then you'll take that fear with you and you'll 1300 01:14:47,502 --> 01:14:52,612 find all sorts of scary things while you're in your intuitive side. 1301 01:14:53,022 --> 01:14:57,062 You will intuit a lot of scary junk that's just your own fear 1302 01:14:57,152 --> 01:14:58,612 coming right out of your ego. 1303 01:14:59,162 --> 01:15:00,742 So that will get in the way. 1304 01:15:01,742 --> 01:15:06,162 All right, these two products, one of them is Explore the Larger 1305 01:15:06,162 --> 01:15:07,842 Conscious System with Thomas Campbell. 1306 01:15:07,882 --> 01:15:08,852 It's a program. 1307 01:15:09,632 --> 01:15:12,412 It's a program that you can take. 1308 01:15:12,422 --> 01:15:18,552 It spans I don't know, five days, six days, and it's not all that expensive. 1309 01:15:19,372 --> 01:15:24,832 It was what happened was that I gave these, this program, in real brick and 1310 01:15:24,832 --> 01:15:28,822 mortar locations, we gave this program and because they're brick and mortar 1311 01:15:28,822 --> 01:15:32,672 locations, you know, venues, there's food, there's travel costs, they're 1312 01:15:32,672 --> 01:15:36,792 pretty expensive and if you have all the costs figured in, it's $2000 or $3000 1313 01:15:36,812 --> 01:15:40,452 to spend 5 days learning this stuff. 1314 01:15:40,462 --> 01:15:41,882 So it's pretty expensive. 1315 01:15:42,882 --> 01:15:47,182 I did that maybe, I don't know, 30, 40 times. 1316 01:15:47,192 --> 01:15:47,212 Yeah. 1317 01:15:47,213 --> 01:15:47,245 Yeah. 1318 01:15:47,245 --> 01:15:47,277 Yeah. 1319 01:15:47,737 --> 01:15:52,947 And friends of mine, Donna and Keith Warner, they took all of those 30 or 1320 01:15:52,947 --> 01:15:58,347 40 of those times, searched through them, and took the best of all of them. 1321 01:15:58,897 --> 01:16:02,507 Take a whole thing and created one five day course. 1322 01:16:03,232 --> 01:16:06,522 And they put it on audio, so on Soundwise. 1323 01:16:06,552 --> 01:16:10,032 And if you go to their website, which is mbtevents. 1324 01:16:10,052 --> 01:16:13,232 com, they will have lots of pointers to that. 1325 01:16:13,632 --> 01:16:14,552 And you can get that. 1326 01:16:14,562 --> 01:16:18,552 Now that is the path that generally runs through meditation. 1327 01:16:19,182 --> 01:16:21,322 Okay, you expect it to be able to quiet your mind. 1328 01:16:21,712 --> 01:16:23,262 The other one is Tom's Park. 1329 01:16:23,902 --> 01:16:27,562 Tom's Park is another way that you can get there, and it has 1330 01:16:27,562 --> 01:16:28,862 nothing to do with meditation. 1331 01:16:28,872 --> 01:16:30,882 You don't have to be able to meditate at all. 1332 01:16:31,242 --> 01:16:34,792 The discipline just comes naturally, and it uses your imagination. 1333 01:16:35,492 --> 01:16:38,962 And the imagination is another way to get there. 1334 01:16:39,272 --> 01:16:42,992 Again, with the imagination, you start, you learn to imagine and 1335 01:16:42,992 --> 01:16:47,242 then just let the action roll on by itself without you being there. 1336 01:16:47,242 --> 01:16:51,182 And I've got a thing called Tom's Park that will explain it all to you. 1337 01:16:51,182 --> 01:16:54,272 And you get into the physical part of the park 1st to develop 1338 01:16:54,272 --> 01:16:55,562 your imagination skills. 1339 01:16:55,872 --> 01:17:00,692 And then you go into the parts of the park that are mainly about the non physical 1340 01:17:01,012 --> 01:17:02,682 things that you can deal with in there. 1341 01:17:02,682 --> 01:17:06,212 So two ways that you can find out for yourself, 1342 01:17:06,222 --> 01:17:08,522 and I recommend you do find out for yourself. 1343 01:17:08,807 --> 01:17:11,737 I wish I'd had three hours to talk to you, Tom, but it's been great. 1344 01:17:11,737 --> 01:17:14,837 Thank you very much for coming on the show and perhaps we'll have 1345 01:17:14,837 --> 01:17:16,557 you back again for a live stream. 1346 01:17:16,557 --> 01:17:18,017 And I really appreciate your time today. 1347 01:17:19,017 --> 01:17:20,457 Okay well, you're welcome.