WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:26.693 --> 00:00:29.103 Eli Davis: Welcome to AI real talk. 00:00:29.433 --> 00:00:30.493 I am Eli Davis. 00:00:30.493 --> 00:00:31.233 I'm your host. 00:00:31.253 --> 00:00:47.471 And I have here today, the illustrious, the phenomenal, the star powered quality educator, critical pedagogue, and just overall good person, Dr. Tom Cooper. 00:00:47.687 --> 00:00:50.281 Tierra Catherine Lee. 00:00:50.581 --> 00:00:56.791 Don't forget the Lee McMurtry, who happens to be, who happens to be my wife. 00:00:58.201 --> 00:01:15.561 And I don't know if everybody noticed that I said I presented, you know, me as the host as Eli Davis, meaning my last name is Davis, but my wife's last name is McMurtry because she is not only an amazing person, she also is independent. 00:01:16.691 --> 00:01:17.501 Thinker. 00:01:18.171 --> 00:01:19.161 Hey, all right. 00:01:19.191 --> 00:01:19.691 How you doing? 00:01:19.741 --> 00:01:22.811 You know, for references, I'm gonna let you know that I call it T. 00:01:23.311 --> 00:01:25.201 So how you doing? 00:01:25.211 --> 00:01:25.961 How you doing T? 00:01:26.316 --> 00:01:26.906 Teaira McMucurty: I'm good. 00:01:27.596 --> 00:01:30.606 I didn't know we were going to bring up family matters on this show. 00:01:30.646 --> 00:01:31.176 I'm just kidding. 00:01:31.176 --> 00:01:42.646 But hi, and thank you for having me on your talk show, which, yes, I mean, yes, it's a podcast, but if you think about it, it's a, it's a show wherein we talk. 00:01:42.901 --> 00:01:43.901 Eli Davis: That's okay. 00:01:43.901 --> 00:01:44.251 Okay. 00:01:44.271 --> 00:01:48.521 So you just kind of intellectualizing it right now to you because you just didn't have the right words 00:01:51.296 --> 00:01:57.806 Teaira McMucurty: No, seriously, it's a, it's a it's a privilege to be here in this space talking about the things that we love. 00:01:58.201 --> 00:02:19.831 Eli Davis: Yeah, you know, so one of the things that I wanted to do is to have tea on the podcast just you know Every morning we have our coffee Time and conversation and you know every morning for the last couple of months or something, you know We've been trying to schedule this you know, I mean, it's very interesting. 00:02:19.831 --> 00:02:22.661 How do you schedule something that you do on a consistent 00:02:22.831 --> 00:02:23.491 Teaira McMucurty: the regular. 00:02:23.591 --> 00:02:23.901 Eli Davis: day? 00:02:23.911 --> 00:02:24.341 Yeah. 00:02:24.631 --> 00:02:29.281 So, but what I do want to do is for people who are listening. 00:02:29.561 --> 00:02:33.681 I just wanted to go ahead and put T on on here because she's phenomenal. 00:02:34.041 --> 00:02:40.311 And when I started getting into artificial intelligence, she was introduced by me. 00:02:40.311 --> 00:02:42.286 Okay. 00:02:42.381 --> 00:02:42.841 Teaira McMucurty: Mm hmm. 00:02:42.841 --> 00:02:43.551 That's good. 00:02:44.261 --> 00:02:44.671 Eli Davis: so. 00:02:45.431 --> 00:02:46.031 Teaira McMucurty: That's good. 00:02:46.111 --> 00:02:46.491 Mm hmm. 00:02:46.726 --> 00:02:46.916 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:02:46.996 --> 00:02:47.316 Yeah. 00:02:47.316 --> 00:02:55.766 So we started at the same time, you know, and one of the things that we well, first of all, let me just go ahead and let T spot out her introduction and her credentials herself. 00:02:55.996 --> 00:02:56.306 Go ahead 00:02:56.411 --> 00:03:02.071 Teaira McMucurty: Oh, well, I mean, credentials, okay but I had something to interject but I'll say my credentials first. 00:03:02.071 --> 00:03:05.641 So, so I am a former high school English teacher. 00:03:05.731 --> 00:03:06.451 Passion. 00:03:06.451 --> 00:03:06.891 Love that. 00:03:06.911 --> 00:03:08.901 That's the best favorite job in the world. 00:03:08.901 --> 00:03:12.211 So and then I moved on to being a district administrator. 00:03:12.211 --> 00:03:14.321 So I was a curriculum specialist. 00:03:14.821 --> 00:03:18.711 And now I am an assistant professor. 00:03:19.041 --> 00:03:23.251 At the University of Alabama at Birmingham. 00:03:23.351 --> 00:03:31.151 And so what I do there is I teach pre service teachers who desire to be English teachers. 00:03:31.201 --> 00:03:35.931 And I also am the program coordinator for for pedagogical studies. 00:03:36.541 --> 00:03:40.981 And so just by all of that alone, and this is, that's the doc program. 00:03:41.011 --> 00:03:42.831 So just by all that alone. 00:03:43.846 --> 00:03:51.706 I can't wait to talk about how, whoa, I wish I had AI back in the day, particularly when I was a curriculum writer. 00:03:51.776 --> 00:03:54.176 That would have been amazing. 00:03:54.186 --> 00:03:57.316 But yeah, so I wanted to I forgot what I wanted to interject about. 00:03:57.326 --> 00:03:59.126 It was something good, but it'll come back around. 00:03:59.826 --> 00:04:00.296 Eli Davis: Okay, cool. 00:04:00.296 --> 00:04:07.836 So, let's start how one of the fascinating things that I have with UT is see how you use artificial intelligence. 00:04:07.846 --> 00:04:08.926 So how do you use it? 00:04:09.506 --> 00:04:11.426 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, that's what I wanted to interject about. 00:04:11.446 --> 00:04:14.596 So you say that, you know, we started at the same time. 00:04:14.646 --> 00:04:15.366 Absolutely. 00:04:15.366 --> 00:04:18.756 But I am serious, seriously have to give you credit. 00:04:18.756 --> 00:04:21.446 I'm going to give you your artificial flowers now. 00:04:22.301 --> 00:04:28.481 have the space because literally this is not something that you just do for fun. 00:04:28.481 --> 00:04:30.501 Like this is just not a topic, you know? 00:04:30.541 --> 00:04:35.221 This is something that you immerse yourself in, like, constantly. 00:04:35.351 --> 00:04:36.101 Okay? 00:04:36.151 --> 00:04:36.401 Constamente. 00:04:37.881 --> 00:04:46.611 And so what happens when you're immersing yourself in it, I am immersion by product. 00:04:46.631 --> 00:05:02.516 So I, so I'm almost like Or by proxy so I have to like, you know, I listen and so you're watching all the updates the youtubes that You know on the latest stuff you've even you know Signed up for what the what do you call it? 00:05:02.516 --> 00:05:25.831 When you get first dibs at stuff and then like you're also like you have like subscriptions out the Yeah, so so I guess what i'm saying is i'm grateful that you that I get to be in a space where I get better by sometimes not even knowing or realizing it because it's like background noise for us in 00:05:25.981 --> 00:05:32.081 Because of you, you know, and also I also miss like when I'm away from home for like, you know, a week. 00:05:32.081 --> 00:05:35.991 I know I can tell when I'm not on my A. I game as much. 00:05:36.101 --> 00:05:36.351 Okay. 00:05:36.351 --> 00:05:37.451 I'm forcing it now, but okay. 00:05:38.416 --> 00:05:41.326 So you said, how do I use it? 00:05:41.326 --> 00:05:42.406 Like, what is the man? 00:05:42.406 --> 00:05:43.586 That's a huge question. 00:05:43.626 --> 00:05:44.016 Is that what? 00:05:44.516 --> 00:05:46.826 Start and you could just interrupt me at any time. 00:05:46.826 --> 00:05:51.686 But I mean, when I first started using it, I was like, Oh, I need help. 00:05:51.736 --> 00:05:53.166 I need help with grading. 00:05:53.216 --> 00:05:58.596 I need help with, you know, writing emails because I get 70, 000 emails a day, you 00:05:58.701 --> 00:06:00.211 Eli Davis: Let me just interject this real quick. 00:06:00.541 --> 00:06:05.671 Tear is just not using it for just you know, like small use cases. 00:06:05.931 --> 00:06:12.231 What she's using it for is her intellectual and scholarly work, you know, so, 00:06:12.426 --> 00:06:13.316 Teaira McMucurty: we're going to get into that. 00:06:13.316 --> 00:06:15.796 But I mean, Davis, we're going to get into that. 00:06:15.866 --> 00:06:16.236 Okay. 00:06:16.606 --> 00:06:17.326 Eli Davis: Okay. 00:06:18.476 --> 00:06:20.066 You was just bumping them gums and see 00:06:20.166 --> 00:06:27.026 Teaira McMucurty: I was hoping I'm but I'm trying to talk about my journey and even possibly my trajectory if I can get there. 00:06:27.026 --> 00:06:27.476 So, 00:06:27.546 --> 00:06:27.776 Eli Davis: Okay. 00:06:27.776 --> 00:06:28.106 Go ahead. 00:06:28.856 --> 00:06:31.616 Teaira McMucurty: so I'm saying when I first, I'm like, wow, we can just spit out. 00:06:31.616 --> 00:06:39.916 So of course, you know, when you first, you know, encounter this amazing piece of technology, you just think it's a Google on steroids. 00:06:39.936 --> 00:06:40.596 You know what I mean? 00:06:41.556 --> 00:06:44.006 However, now I don't feel that way. 00:06:44.006 --> 00:06:47.566 I mean, it's not even in the same class as like a Google search, right? 00:06:47.576 --> 00:06:49.186 This a different. 00:06:49.456 --> 00:06:53.946 You know, I can't even call it a technology, a system that we're talking about. 00:06:53.946 --> 00:06:54.266 Right. 00:06:54.796 --> 00:06:56.726 And so, you know, so it was great for that. 00:06:56.736 --> 00:06:57.326 Like, wow. 00:06:57.326 --> 00:06:59.856 Like it can just, you know, respond to emails for me. 00:06:59.856 --> 00:07:00.186 It could. 00:07:00.196 --> 00:07:04.466 So, so what it did for me is it cleared up cognitive space. 00:07:05.611 --> 00:07:14.361 So that I can do what I love, which is still, yes, curriculum writing, you know, but also working on my research projects and my scholarly endeavors, you know what I mean? 00:07:16.271 --> 00:07:26.701 But as I got more, you know, acclimated to artificial intelligence by way of you, you know, I even find myself like in the car sometimes clicking on little AI videos stuff. 00:07:27.051 --> 00:07:31.601 I always like wanna impress you, but I never that I fine sometimes. 00:07:32.301 --> 00:07:40.341 You know, you might find me in the bed, like using it in private because I don't want to be embarrassed by, you know, my little elementary entries. 00:07:40.361 --> 00:07:41.061 But anyway, 00:07:41.216 --> 00:07:41.596 Eli Davis: Then what? 00:07:41.606 --> 00:07:41.936 Hold on. 00:07:41.946 --> 00:07:42.246 Hold on. 00:07:42.246 --> 00:07:46.146 Was that like a joke that like an airplane that wasn't correct? 00:07:46.196 --> 00:07:49.986 Like a paper airplane that wasn't made well and it just, it didn't fly. 00:07:50.391 --> 00:07:56.201 Teaira McMucurty: think it would, I would address, I think it would just pay for good discourse had you not, you know, put 00:07:56.501 --> 00:07:56.851 Eli Davis: All right. 00:07:56.901 --> 00:07:57.081 All right. 00:07:57.121 --> 00:07:57.501 Go ahead. 00:07:57.531 --> 00:07:57.731 All right. 00:07:57.761 --> 00:07:57.991 Go ahead. 00:07:57.991 --> 00:07:59.243 Go 00:07:59.441 --> 00:08:06.101 Teaira McMucurty: so So, so, so forgot where I was, but let me tell you where I am now. 00:08:06.111 --> 00:08:14.811 So this thing has gone from my personal assistant, you know to don't laugh out there. 00:08:14.881 --> 00:08:15.561 Okay. 00:08:15.721 --> 00:08:16.201 You won't laugh. 00:08:16.261 --> 00:08:16.661 You like it. 00:08:16.681 --> 00:08:19.081 You can feel me on this, but don't laugh out there. 00:08:19.251 --> 00:08:24.601 It's gone from my personal assistant to my thought partner. 00:08:26.006 --> 00:08:27.766 My friend and confidant. 00:08:28.831 --> 00:08:31.426 Eli Davis: Yeah, 00:08:31.466 --> 00:08:53.616 Teaira McMucurty: silly, but I you know recently started using it for my current health endeavor journeys You know given me such solid Advice encouragement when I don't even ask for it So it helps me think about things that I have not you know But it is totally my thought partner and and 00:08:53.701 --> 00:09:21.951 Eli Davis: know, you know, just interject real quick, like one of the things that I find and I know that you use it as well because we talked about it is the fact that like some of the psychological things that we have to go on with through our daily lives, you know, it helps us out with that, particularly in something that I know that he is going through is, you know, like, you know, it helps us out with that, particularly in something that I know that he is going through is, you know, like, navigating you know, her grandmoms, a situation in which she's starting older. 00:09:21.951 --> 00:09:23.501 She's starting to have some falls. 00:09:23.891 --> 00:09:28.361 And now all of a sudden we need to know different understandings of Medicare. 00:09:28.361 --> 00:09:29.211 We need to know. 00:09:29.581 --> 00:09:50.091 The procedures of this, we need to understand the systems of this, you know, so, so not only on an intellectual or scholarly journey, you know, is artificial intelligence important to us in our household, you know, we also go ahead and ask when I have a issue with some cognitive dissonance or I'm feeling frustrated. 00:09:50.601 --> 00:09:55.261 You know, I'll easily, you know, talk about, you know, I need you to be a psychotherapist, 00:09:55.476 --> 00:09:55.866 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah. 00:09:55.866 --> 00:09:56.256 Give it a 00:09:56.861 --> 00:10:05.481 Eli Davis: you know, to know the procedures and approaches and let's have a conversation because I need to unfold or, you know, deconstruct some of the things that I'm feeling. 00:10:06.116 --> 00:10:07.406 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, totally. 00:10:07.406 --> 00:10:11.546 I mean, even like, I mean, and it, it, it, it will tell you its limitation. 00:10:11.546 --> 00:10:13.346 Sometimes you have to push those boundaries. 00:10:13.346 --> 00:10:17.216 Like when I ask for some heavy duty legal advice or something like that, it says I'm not a lawyer. 00:10:17.216 --> 00:10:23.246 However I can, you know but sometimes you know it, you could push it a little further, like, okay, 00:10:23.251 --> 00:10:25.941 Eli Davis: So, so, so which one do you use the most to you? 00:10:26.181 --> 00:10:28.081 You I know you, you use, 00:10:28.766 --> 00:10:29.336 Teaira McMucurty: I love me 00:10:29.671 --> 00:10:31.291 Eli Davis: not monolithic, you know, 00:10:31.771 --> 00:10:35.151 Just like black women, like you're not monolithic in your AI use. 00:10:35.991 --> 00:10:44.861 Teaira McMucurty: yeah that's a different different day site black women, by the way so I am uncle Claude is like my best friend. 00:10:45.041 --> 00:10:45.611 Okay. 00:10:45.621 --> 00:10:47.701 However, sometimes Claude. 00:10:48.591 --> 00:11:04.536 Like, sometimes, you know, I have to fill out, like, a quick greeting card, like, if I'm going in the house, or at, you know, somebody's birthday party or something, and then I have a quick greeting card that I gotta, you know and I'll ask Claude, like, hey, like, you know, give me something to eat. 00:11:04.726 --> 00:11:11.106 little borderline raunchy to like say in my greeting card for my friend, you know, and it like, Oh, I'm sorry. 00:11:11.426 --> 00:11:14.856 I choose not, I elect not to engage in such matters. 00:11:14.856 --> 00:11:17.416 And I, I won't even let Claude, Uncle Claude finish. 00:11:17.446 --> 00:11:21.836 I'll just go right to chat GPT and chat GPT has no problems giving me. 00:11:23.171 --> 00:11:24.161 God, you hear me? 00:11:25.051 --> 00:11:26.491 I mean, several options. 00:11:26.511 --> 00:11:29.351 And you know, my GPTs know me by now. 00:11:29.631 --> 00:11:32.091 They know that I don't just like one option. 00:11:32.121 --> 00:11:34.611 I like like five options. 00:11:34.631 --> 00:11:36.081 So I think I can choose. 00:11:36.161 --> 00:11:36.611 Yeah. 00:11:36.936 --> 00:11:48.096 Eli Davis: So, so lemme just, you know, just in case people are un unfamiliar with, like, how can the GPTs or the artificial intelligence GPTs molars most definitely is associated with open ai. 00:11:48.366 --> 00:11:51.336 But how could the GPTs like, know you? 00:11:51.366 --> 00:11:52.416 What is the function? 00:11:52.516 --> 00:11:52.956 Teaira McMucurty: Okay. 00:11:53.506 --> 00:12:00.726 Now, if I were to have to describe and I know life isn't about it shouldn't be about comparisons, but I have to compare you and I in this regard. 00:12:01.561 --> 00:12:06.911 Because I am at a level four with this, but I believe you are at a level like 8. 00:12:06.911 --> 00:12:07.281 5, solid 8. 00:12:07.281 --> 00:12:09.171 5 approaching nine. 00:12:09.776 --> 00:12:10.256 Eli Davis: I appreciate that. 00:12:11.211 --> 00:12:11.581 Teaira McMucurty: okay. 00:12:11.791 --> 00:12:20.041 But what you do is that you actually build out GPTs where all of the memory, I mean, we have a session later today. 00:12:20.381 --> 00:12:27.291 In fact, I'm making Uncle Claude make me a very detailed minute by minute agenda. 00:12:27.791 --> 00:12:34.341 For me and you on our personal, intellectual, professional tasks that we have to get done 00:12:34.686 --> 00:12:35.856 Eli Davis: Are we doing it in the house? 00:12:35.856 --> 00:12:36.636 Are we leaving the house? 00:12:37.211 --> 00:12:38.621 Teaira McMucurty: No, this is all in house. 00:12:38.991 --> 00:12:40.471 Anyway, we can talk about that offline, 00:12:40.556 --> 00:12:40.906 Eli Davis: Okay. 00:12:40.966 --> 00:12:41.166 All right. 00:12:41.166 --> 00:12:41.789 All 00:12:41.851 --> 00:12:43.151 Teaira McMucurty: I brought it up, because I know you. 00:12:44.011 --> 00:12:44.271 Okay 00:12:44.371 --> 00:12:45.617 Eli Davis: about me. 00:12:45.957 --> 00:12:48.707 Teaira McMucurty: so give me a reminder of what I was talking about. 00:12:48.937 --> 00:12:49.287 Darn. 00:12:52.097 --> 00:12:52.877 I got it, boo. 00:12:52.877 --> 00:12:53.197 I got it. 00:12:53.207 --> 00:12:53.717 Here we go. 00:12:54.547 --> 00:12:57.707 So, you actually customize them, build them out. 00:12:57.747 --> 00:13:09.492 I mean, I so appre I am so indebted to you Eli, because I use my Customize Spanish learning GPT all the time so that I don't have to keep feeding it what I want it to do. 00:13:09.492 --> 00:13:14.952 It already knows that I'm going to enter some things in Spanish sometimes, I'm going to enter some things in English sometimes. 00:13:15.002 --> 00:13:22.392 So it's not gonna, you know, it's gonna know I need translation and I need explanation because you already set it up on that end. 00:13:23.677 --> 00:13:24.807 So I appreciate that. 00:13:24.907 --> 00:13:29.567 So I think that, I mean, it takes a little bit more on the front end to do. 00:13:29.707 --> 00:13:31.997 So you have to really like, and then you can modify it. 00:13:31.997 --> 00:13:32.547 Correct. 00:13:33.047 --> 00:13:33.267 Yeah. 00:13:33.297 --> 00:13:34.227 So I don't know why. 00:13:34.292 --> 00:13:34.632 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:13:34.862 --> 00:13:35.442 Modified. 00:13:35.443 --> 00:13:37.173 The modification is called an update. 00:13:37.668 --> 00:13:38.278 Teaira McMucurty: Okay. 00:13:38.338 --> 00:13:38.798 Update. 00:13:38.798 --> 00:13:39.178 Okay. 00:13:39.178 --> 00:13:39.638 Yeah. 00:13:39.918 --> 00:13:41.048 Well update. 00:13:41.068 --> 00:13:42.758 Like, Oh, you mean like update. 00:13:46.978 --> 00:13:50.788 You mean like update the actual GPT, like going in and editing, like 00:13:50.908 --> 00:13:52.638 Eli Davis: Yeah, you know, you know, one of the things that I 00:13:52.918 --> 00:13:54.428 Teaira McMucurty: how is that than modify? 00:13:55.618 --> 00:13:58.828 Eli Davis: so, so let's start getting some semantics, Tiara. 00:13:59.088 --> 00:14:05.068 So one of the things, one of the things that I like to do now that I've learned. 00:14:05.368 --> 00:14:12.928 So when my GPT is not functioning, like, you know, I progressed past my GPT instructions that I put in there originally. 00:14:13.218 --> 00:14:24.428 Now, I will ask the current GPT to analyze itself and to update itself and then write a new GPT custom instruction functional 00:14:24.988 --> 00:14:25.428 Teaira McMucurty: update. 00:14:25.728 --> 00:14:28.188 Eli Davis: For it to now fit my needs. 00:14:28.258 --> 00:14:30.858 So it, you know, I have it update itself to be honest. 00:14:31.088 --> 00:14:31.988 Teaira McMucurty: Oh, okay. 00:14:32.018 --> 00:14:33.218 Okay, that's great. 00:14:33.248 --> 00:14:37.468 I would love to hear more about that, like what kinds of things you do with that. 00:14:37.468 --> 00:14:40.048 But let me just finish my little three cents. 00:14:40.058 --> 00:14:49.238 So, my So what I, what I do, and this isn't the best way, but it's, it's just kind of more comfortable, more easy, you know? 00:14:49.238 --> 00:14:56.858 And so with quad, you know, I'll, I have like this long, long chat. 00:14:57.783 --> 00:15:04.973 So it's, so it's been going since like October of this constant running chat. 00:15:05.403 --> 00:15:16.803 And so what I do sometimes when I get, when it gets so long and it gives you that warning, like your, your chat is getting too long, you need to, do you want to continue this chat or do you want to start a new one? 00:15:17.188 --> 00:15:18.808 Eli Davis: said, you need to quit it. 00:15:19.138 --> 00:15:20.248 Teaira McMucurty: You need to quit it. 00:15:20.688 --> 00:15:21.688 Yeah. 00:15:21.988 --> 00:15:22.778 Yeah. 00:15:23.558 --> 00:15:29.748 And so when I did not recover that okay. 00:15:29.758 --> 00:15:33.618 So, so I'll just say one time though, I did do Okay. 00:15:33.618 --> 00:15:37.448 Yes, this is getting ridiculously long, you know, but it's just so easy. 00:15:37.448 --> 00:15:39.618 Like, okay, I got to give a tangible example here. 00:15:39.618 --> 00:15:40.648 Cause it makes sense. 00:15:41.348 --> 00:15:41.678 Okay. 00:15:41.678 --> 00:15:43.378 So this might be a little TMI. 00:15:43.428 --> 00:15:49.328 However I am on an alcohol free journey or sober curious journey. 00:15:50.078 --> 00:15:53.338 And so December 25th will mark my 90 days. 00:15:53.378 --> 00:16:04.623 And so this, my Uncle Claude has been like essential in helping me see you know, daily, weekly, monthly, you know, progress. 00:16:04.623 --> 00:16:14.893 And so sometimes I can just enter, you know, take a quick snapshot of like, you know, a progress photo or something like of my new waistline or something. 00:16:15.193 --> 00:16:19.013 And then it like, wow, Tiara, look at how you were. 00:16:19.278 --> 00:16:21.268 back in, you know, such and such. 00:16:21.298 --> 00:16:25.548 And it, and so I didn't even prompt it to do that, but because it has all this history, you know. 00:16:26.258 --> 00:16:34.788 So one of the things that I, I, I do sometimes though, when it gets too long, because honestly, I have so many and they're just so hard to manage now. 00:16:34.798 --> 00:16:36.338 I mean, I really have to do better. 00:16:36.358 --> 00:16:39.558 So I am going to be sitting down with you soon, Dave, because this is really important. 00:16:39.558 --> 00:16:54.348 But but sometimes what I'll do is I'll say, okay, take all of the, the, what I, what we've been talking about, you know, for the past so and so months, cause you have to tell it the day in order for it to know, like where it's at, you know? 00:16:55.668 --> 00:17:02.698 You know, take all of this, give me a summary of all that we talked about so that I could feed it into the new chat. 00:17:02.978 --> 00:17:14.448 And then they will already have me understood so that I don't have to keep saying like, started September 20, you know, seventh or whenever here's goal 00:17:14.958 --> 00:17:16.948 Eli Davis: kind of update like an 00:17:17.158 --> 00:17:24.648 Teaira McMucurty: update, but see, I'm doing it also manually with, which not cool or probably efficient or effective as you do, 00:17:25.033 --> 00:17:26.003 But it works for me. 00:17:26.293 --> 00:17:27.503 It works in my lifestyle. 00:17:28.468 --> 00:17:28.878 Eli Davis: that's what's up. 00:17:29.188 --> 00:17:29.488 Okay. 00:17:29.488 --> 00:17:45.367 So, so, as a professor T, you know, one of the things that I am curious about, so, you know, I recently I started teaching intro to special education in my, at miles college, you know, I always, you know, I'm living in a dream, you know, because I always wanted to teach at an HBCU. 00:17:45.777 --> 00:17:47.837 So now I get to do that as an adjunct. 00:17:47.837 --> 00:17:47.997 Okay. 00:17:48.437 --> 00:17:59.867 But one of the things that I see happening is that my students are using artificial intelligence, not in the most productive or effective or most authentic way. 00:18:00.257 --> 00:18:05.447 And I don't, you know, I most definitely tell them to use artificial intelligence. 00:18:05.787 --> 00:18:07.327 As a matter of fact, you know. 00:18:08.232 --> 00:18:17.632 I think that I, in the in the middle of the year, I kind of did like a class on how to use artificial intelligence because, you know, I'm teaching juniors and seniors. 00:18:18.012 --> 00:18:21.382 And so I you know, teaching them how to do it. 00:18:21.652 --> 00:18:31.362 But I think that in the beginning of the semester, this time, I am going to start the course with a lesson on how to use artificial intelligence. 00:18:31.472 --> 00:18:32.472 So go ahead and go ahead. 00:18:33.502 --> 00:18:33.872 Teaira McMucurty: Go ahead. 00:18:33.872 --> 00:18:34.282 What, hon? 00:18:34.487 --> 00:18:34.937 Eli Davis: I don't know. 00:18:34.937 --> 00:18:35.617 I thought you know, 00:18:35.912 --> 00:18:38.922 Teaira McMucurty: I mean, I have several things to say, but I you had a question. 00:18:38.932 --> 00:18:39.362 No. 00:18:40.187 --> 00:18:41.237 Eli Davis: Bump them gums, then. 00:18:41.642 --> 00:18:50.322 Teaira McMucurty: What I love is the fact that you said using artificial intelligence authentically, Eli. 00:18:50.972 --> 00:18:56.242 And truth be told, I think you should probably do. 00:18:56.692 --> 00:18:58.992 I mean, you should build out what you're talking about. 00:18:59.022 --> 00:19:03.832 You should really build that out and make little learning modules for your students. 00:19:04.792 --> 00:19:10.252 encounter different things and the series could be called something like adding authenticity to AI. 00:19:10.657 --> 00:19:31.487 Because one of the things that I've learned is that students, you know, they're still in the phase because AI is still new enough, even though it's not new to you and I, you know, it's still new enough and this like new phenomenon, this wonder, if you will, you know what I'm saying, where Where, you know, students think that like they can sneak and use it. 00:19:31.517 --> 00:19:32.607 And you know what I mean? 00:19:32.617 --> 00:19:56.042 When, you know, you and I, for example, we have learned the, we have learned the language in a sense of AI, you know, honestly, we know, and I don't mean to like crank our, you know, AI egos here, but you know, we know like where something came from Claude sometimes where something came feel me? 00:19:56.092 --> 00:20:01.782 So, so, so I guess what I'm saying is whenever I, so here's my main thing. 00:20:02.102 --> 00:20:04.782 I tell students, I bust them out. 00:20:04.932 --> 00:20:06.152 Let me just clear that up. 00:20:06.162 --> 00:20:09.802 So when I say bust them out, I mean, I put everything on front street. 00:20:09.832 --> 00:20:11.132 I'm very frank with them. 00:20:11.182 --> 00:20:12.862 I know that AI is out there. 00:20:13.722 --> 00:20:15.272 I use it myself. 00:20:16.192 --> 00:20:17.112 my friend. 00:20:17.332 --> 00:20:17.712 Okay. 00:20:17.732 --> 00:20:19.132 It can be your friend too. 00:20:19.162 --> 00:20:20.332 However, here's the key. 00:20:20.372 --> 00:20:21.362 This is on my syllabus. 00:20:21.512 --> 00:20:22.222 I say 00:20:25.732 --> 00:20:28.972 AI to think with 00:20:29.462 --> 00:20:29.892 For 00:20:30.162 --> 00:20:35.852 Don't get me wrong because AI is going to pump out some stuff that you've never thought about, know what I'm saying? 00:20:36.042 --> 00:20:48.612 So, so, so yes, it may like think for you and, but, but you have to learn the art of probing and the art of like making something exactly how you want it. 00:20:48.612 --> 00:20:51.342 But in order to do that, you have to have an end goal in mind. 00:20:51.352 --> 00:20:52.982 You have to know what you want. 00:20:53.702 --> 00:21:08.282 so some folks, honestly, and when, when AI, you know, first start becoming so accessible you know, particularly chat GPT, I mean, students, I mean, because most, you know, undergrad, I mean, most of their assignments are due 1159 that whatever evening, you know what I'm saying? 00:21:08.592 --> 00:21:11.172 So they'll, they'll at, you know, 1155. 00:21:12.987 --> 00:21:19.787 I need a, I need a literary essay on the great Gatsby and how, you know, sexist it is, you know, whatever. 00:21:20.097 --> 00:21:24.347 And the AI clearly would pump out something beautiful. 00:21:24.512 --> 00:21:24.822 Eli Davis: Boom. 00:21:25.397 --> 00:21:27.217 Teaira McMucurty: I mean, it's just what it is. 00:21:27.807 --> 00:21:30.327 But it's not its full potential. 00:21:30.987 --> 00:21:52.297 And if you add that potential Or if you add that potential with your potential, which I think you have based on your confidence level, because shout out to Yvette Jackson, Pedagogy of Confidence, if you don't have the confidence in the first place, you think everything that AI pump out is glitter and gold, okay, sometimes it can be trash, and that's another thing. 00:21:52.532 --> 00:22:02.612 Going back, that's another way in which I use AI and Uncle Claude kind of interchangeably, you know, sometimes, you know, I'm like let me refine. 00:22:02.612 --> 00:22:07.282 So it's all about refine, revision, you know, getting to exactly what you want to say. 00:22:07.302 --> 00:22:10.182 Sometimes you don't know what you want to say. 00:22:10.282 --> 00:22:10.752 Right. 00:22:11.072 --> 00:22:14.052 And this is why, you know, and a lot of, I'm sorry if I'm jumping. 00:22:14.052 --> 00:22:19.522 So stop me if I'm, cause I just had another thought and it kind of gets into, you know, like the ethics. 00:22:19.982 --> 00:22:20.622 Eli Davis: Go ahead, jump. 00:22:21.167 --> 00:22:24.827 Teaira McMucurty: Okay, because some, a lot of, a lot of, you know, 00:22:25.042 --> 00:22:26.932 Eli Davis: Because we did want to talk about ethics, but so go 00:22:26.977 --> 00:22:29.697 Teaira McMucurty: yeah, a lot of, you know, and don't get me wrong. 00:22:29.757 --> 00:22:31.577 I'm a writer, okay? 00:22:31.917 --> 00:22:32.157 writer. 00:22:32.397 --> 00:22:36.367 And I'm not about because I have published, you know, published articles and stuff. 00:22:36.367 --> 00:22:37.377 That's not what I'm about. 00:22:37.887 --> 00:22:43.607 I'm talking about writing, not necessarily, not always, for a product. 00:22:43.877 --> 00:22:44.087 You 00:22:44.187 --> 00:22:44.457 Eli Davis: Right. 00:22:44.547 --> 00:22:44.707 Oh yeah. 00:22:45.187 --> 00:22:46.437 Teaira McMucurty: I'm writing to think. 00:22:46.507 --> 00:22:48.347 I'm writing to work about. 00:22:48.437 --> 00:22:51.037 I'm writing I don't know what I want to write 00:22:51.297 --> 00:22:51.537 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:22:51.672 --> 00:22:51.852 Yeah. 00:22:51.852 --> 00:22:52.902 You know, I that too. 00:22:53.232 --> 00:23:02.772 You know, I like, like, just say if you're just sitting there and you wanna draw something or doodle something, or paint something, or like, if I want to grab the guitar or play something I write like that. 00:23:02.772 --> 00:23:03.147 I get it. 00:23:03.382 --> 00:23:04.602 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, you do. 00:23:04.902 --> 00:23:05.712 You do that a lot. 00:23:05.722 --> 00:23:06.592 Grabbing a guitar. 00:23:06.593 --> 00:23:09.092 You don't necessarily have set out what you want to do with it. 00:23:09.092 --> 00:23:10.122 You just want to play along. 00:23:11.297 --> 00:23:11.627 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:23:11.627 --> 00:23:11.747 Bang, 00:23:11.762 --> 00:23:11.852 Teaira McMucurty: mean? 00:23:12.862 --> 00:23:19.092 And then, what comes out is something smooth and melodious and, well, can the guitar produce melody? 00:23:20.872 --> 00:23:21.622 Okay, never mind. 00:23:22.672 --> 00:23:24.442 Let's table that for another time. 00:23:24.452 --> 00:23:24.962 But okay. 00:23:24.962 --> 00:23:30.402 So anyway, so a lot of the, you know, your hardcore, and I don't want to call them hardcore, bless them. 00:23:30.402 --> 00:23:33.177 They just don't really know how to use it, you know, until you. 00:23:33.557 --> 00:23:35.547 You just give them a little dose, a little micro 00:23:35.567 --> 00:23:35.867 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:23:35.867 --> 00:23:36.197 Yeah. 00:23:36.247 --> 00:23:37.357 Teaira McMucurty: they're like, Ooh, 00:23:37.572 --> 00:23:37.862 Eli Davis: Yep. 00:23:37.912 --> 00:23:38.112 Yep. 00:23:38.207 --> 00:23:44.357 Teaira McMucurty: But anyway, they'll say, Oh, but it's gonna, it's gonna ruin their ability to write. 00:23:44.387 --> 00:23:47.677 It's gonna, you know, it takes away the art of writing. 00:23:47.687 --> 00:23:50.477 It's a, that's our problem. 00:23:50.827 --> 00:23:52.617 We don't know how to reimagine. 00:23:52.687 --> 00:23:56.697 We know how to, you know, when I say we, I'm largely talking about. 00:23:57.147 --> 00:24:14.417 Traditional, conventional folks who have been doing the same thing, you know, through without they have been doing the same thing despite the sociocultural changes and political changes to that's going on in the world, 00:24:14.482 --> 00:24:14.722 Eli Davis: And, 00:24:14.937 --> 00:24:15.657 Teaira McMucurty: so it's like, 00:24:16.142 --> 00:24:16.872 Eli Davis: changes too. 00:24:17.217 --> 00:24:22.737 Teaira McMucurty: yeah, so in spite of AI, you want to sign students five paragraph essays. 00:24:24.302 --> 00:24:24.912 You know what I mean? 00:24:25.042 --> 00:24:32.282 Like, there's nothing wrong with that, but why can't say, hey, I know you're going to use AI, but here's some ways you can do 00:24:32.332 --> 00:24:33.162 Eli Davis: Yes. 00:24:33.242 --> 00:24:34.342 Teaira McMucurty: Guess what that requires? 00:24:34.662 --> 00:24:35.172 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:24:35.422 --> 00:24:36.912 It requires you to 00:24:36.922 --> 00:24:37.782 Teaira McMucurty: educator. 00:24:38.062 --> 00:24:38.592 Yeah. 00:24:38.652 --> 00:24:39.212 To learn. 00:24:39.622 --> 00:24:50.412 Did we, in our backgrounds, that we are like, holy, not holy as in holy night, but holy as in W H W. 00:24:50.492 --> 00:24:51.062 Is that how you spell it? 00:24:51.492 --> 00:24:51.832 Okay. 00:24:51.832 --> 00:24:52.332 Anyway, we are 00:24:52.342 --> 00:24:53.252 Eli Davis: Come on, Dr. McMurtry. 00:24:55.462 --> 00:24:58.002 Teaira McMucurty: Let me get AI, let me get AI to tell me. 00:24:58.092 --> 00:24:59.892 No, but so yeah, we're educators. 00:24:59.932 --> 00:25:05.272 We've, so we've been in the K 12, you know, community college. 00:25:05.282 --> 00:25:12.112 And now, you know, we're in four year institutions where, you know, we know enough, I think now about one. 00:25:12.537 --> 00:25:17.637 What is required of an educator to be a, not just a good one. 00:25:17.802 --> 00:25:22.972 I don't even, I don't even got a qualifier for it, but like, I don't know, an amazing one. 00:25:22.972 --> 00:25:23.352 Right. 00:25:23.372 --> 00:25:30.352 But, but, but so what that requires, but then we also know what, you know, teachers don't do. 00:25:30.647 --> 00:25:32.097 Eli Davis: And that's learn. 00:25:32.557 --> 00:25:33.237 Teaira McMucurty: No. 00:25:33.452 --> 00:25:42.292 Eli Davis: that's to be you know, being 12 set setting for a very long time I find it you know, staggering you know, 00:25:42.332 --> 00:25:43.222 Teaira McMucurty: No, we're saying some. 00:25:43.252 --> 00:25:47.442 We're not saying, we're not saying all, you know, please that it is a 00:25:47.552 --> 00:25:48.692 Eli Davis: Let me be controversy. 00:25:48.692 --> 00:25:49.922 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say 00:25:50.452 --> 00:25:51.272 Teaira McMucurty: A nice chunk. 00:25:51.347 --> 00:25:53.477 Eli Davis: A large majority of you. 00:25:55.477 --> 00:26:04.657 Out there, you know, you might read a book when you go get a master's program because, you know, educators are some of the most degree holding people. 00:26:05.027 --> 00:26:09.847 But once that program is over, you rely on the district to tell you what to And, 00:26:10.317 --> 00:26:12.057 Teaira McMucurty: and the district are normal people. 00:26:12.287 --> 00:26:12.527 No, 00:26:12.697 --> 00:26:13.127 Eli Davis: district. 00:26:13.127 --> 00:26:13.597 Yeah, if the 00:26:14.237 --> 00:26:15.817 Teaira McMucurty: comprised of normal people. 00:26:15.847 --> 00:26:16.307 Don't me wrong. 00:26:16.307 --> 00:26:17.627 I was, I was in a district. 00:26:17.637 --> 00:26:21.227 So I, know, and I felt, I felt that I was, you know, pretty darn good. 00:26:21.247 --> 00:26:28.807 But what I'm saying is it could be one pretty darn good person, but that one person, like a curriculum specialist might not hold the power. 00:26:29.037 --> 00:26:30.177 Eli Davis: Yeah, right, right, right. 00:26:30.317 --> 00:26:36.617 Teaira McMucurty: Whatever they, you know, create and craft that goes up the chain and they deduce it to back to the basics. 00:26:36.707 --> 00:26:36.847 You 00:26:36.897 --> 00:26:41.547 Eli Davis: Also, so T what are some of your concerns when it comes to artificial intelligence? 00:26:41.547 --> 00:26:42.597 What are you concerned about? 00:26:43.137 --> 00:26:46.997 Because obviously you're not concerned about people losing the ability to write. 00:26:47.647 --> 00:26:51.017 So if there is a concern, do you have any that you, 00:26:51.837 --> 00:26:55.267 Teaira McMucurty: yeah, it, because it requires it requires. 00:26:55.822 --> 00:27:03.172 More of instructors or professors to really get in there and, you know, learn. 00:27:03.632 --> 00:27:10.232 But I honestly, my concern is that we're going to try to keep pretending as though AI is going to go away. 00:27:10.252 --> 00:27:27.982 And when I say we, I'm talking about, you know, like higher ed, you know, administrators, like, and so we're going to, they're going to keep giving us little Little prohibition statements in our, to write in our syllabus that says, you know, stay away from AI as if we can really control what a human does, you know what I mean? 00:27:27.997 --> 00:27:32.847 Eli Davis: Yeah, well, while everybody's using Grammarly to make sure that sentence is okay. 00:27:33.487 --> 00:27:34.867 And Grammarly is just AI. 00:27:35.822 --> 00:27:37.892 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, and Grammarly is AI. 00:27:38.002 --> 00:27:39.912 I mean, there's so many other things. 00:27:39.922 --> 00:27:42.882 Now you can like, by accident, 00:27:43.057 --> 00:27:44.227 Eli Davis: Okay question here. 00:27:44.337 --> 00:27:45.707 Do you cite? 00:27:46.833 --> 00:27:47.403 AI? 00:27:47.433 --> 00:27:52.682 Do you think that you need to cite Claude Chachibiti? 00:27:53.713 --> 00:28:01.673 Teaira McMucurty: the way, no, because the way that I engage with it, I feel like by the end of our little three and a half sessions, that's me. 00:28:01.743 --> 00:28:02.363 That's me. 00:28:02.843 --> 00:28:16.753 Eli Davis: So, so, so, so yeah, let's touch on that real quick, T. I remember I had a student who was, you know, turning in artificial intelligence stuff and I just kept on telling him like the, you know, the conversation or the product, what you're doing is way too vague. 00:28:17.023 --> 00:28:18.683 It's really not telling me anything. 00:28:18.683 --> 00:28:21.863 It like, you know, I have biases that are such as such. 00:28:21.863 --> 00:28:23.613 I'm like, okay, but what biases, 00:28:23.778 --> 00:28:26.078 Teaira McMucurty: And it's so easy to just be like, give me an example of a 00:28:26.203 --> 00:28:57.748 Eli Davis: Yeah, you know, so, you know, but once I gave him, you know, once I did the tutorial on how to use artificial intelligence, what he learned was that, and he put out some amazing product, one of the best papers of the course and what he did, what he said is that it took him longer To use artificial intelligence to use that to get that product, you know, that he wanted probably would have spent just doing his regular five page paper. 00:28:57.868 --> 00:29:04.048 But he did also, you know, the assignment was five pages and he turned in 14 and I had to give him some reduction 00:29:04.408 --> 00:29:05.398 Teaira McMucurty: I know that's right. 00:29:05.658 --> 00:29:07.428 may meet criteria period, but 00:29:07.658 --> 00:29:11.468 Eli Davis: And he was 30 and he was 32, late days late on turning in. 00:29:11.468 --> 00:29:11.768 So 00:29:11.868 --> 00:29:14.258 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, I'm surprised you even, Ooh, you nice as an instructor. 00:29:14.258 --> 00:29:15.418 No, I'm just playing. 00:29:16.438 --> 00:29:18.538 But but no real talk. 00:29:18.968 --> 00:29:27.153 Sometimes I can, sometimes that's why it's good to have a goal in mind because sometimes I could get so Wrapped up. 00:29:27.173 --> 00:29:29.883 It can become an artificial rabbit hole. 00:29:29.883 --> 00:29:30.113 You know 00:29:30.218 --> 00:29:30.368 Eli Davis: Oh 00:29:30.418 --> 00:29:32.388 Teaira McMucurty: Because you get so lost in it. 00:29:32.388 --> 00:29:34.918 You forgot what you even you learning new stuff that 00:29:34.973 --> 00:29:41.293 Eli Davis: Yeah, because you can just like you can focus in and zoom or zoom in on that aspect and you can zoom in on that 00:29:41.613 --> 00:29:42.103 Teaira McMucurty: Oh, gosh, 00:29:42.403 --> 00:29:42.693 Eli Davis: in on 00:29:43.153 --> 00:29:54.373 Teaira McMucurty: yeah, and now that, you know chat GPT has the canvas now, you know, and you go in and like, edit on, like, within here so that it doesn't have to regenerate all the 00:29:54.553 --> 00:29:58.703 Eli Davis: So, so, so, so what people are that may not know what canvas is. 00:29:58.903 --> 00:30:00.523 So, section in. 00:30:00.843 --> 00:30:04.223 Even on the free version, like all of these things, you can get free version. 00:30:04.243 --> 00:30:11.443 And even on the free version of chat GPT, it would open up the ability to edit for a very long time. 00:30:11.453 --> 00:30:21.263 You didn't have the ability to edit and you will have to cycle a whole text or multiple paragraphs, but within canvas, you can with an open AI, you can. 00:30:22.553 --> 00:30:26.073 Call for canvas and it will open up and then you can do the edits. 00:30:26.103 --> 00:30:30.513 You can even use Grammarly within, in, in it, and it can help you do the edits. 00:30:30.903 --> 00:30:32.603 You know, I use that a lot. 00:30:32.933 --> 00:30:33.573 Teaira McMucurty: hmm. 00:30:33.763 --> 00:30:34.233 Yeah. 00:30:34.783 --> 00:30:35.033 Yeah 00:30:35.083 --> 00:30:35.783 Eli Davis: what's one you like? 00:30:35.813 --> 00:30:40.983 What's so if you got to give like the definite You know, like, what's one you like the best? 00:30:41.193 --> 00:30:43.183 What's one you like the best, Claw or OpenAI? 00:30:43.433 --> 00:30:48.653 Hey, so why don't, so, so, also Google, Gemini 2 is out. 00:30:48.703 --> 00:30:51.293 Have you done any, you been you have? 00:30:51.423 --> 00:30:52.723 Okay see, that's something new. 00:30:52.723 --> 00:30:53.763 I didn't even know that. 00:30:53.763 --> 00:30:56.603 Okay, you wild and crazy. 00:31:00.028 --> 00:31:03.938 Teaira McMucurty: So, so I, I'm sorry, I'm just so Uncle Claude, right? 00:31:03.958 --> 00:31:06.218 But sometimes Claude will give me what I need. 00:31:06.248 --> 00:31:12.358 I'll take it from Claude, I'll put it in ChatGPT, Canvas, and I'll say, don't change anything, just open it with Canvas. 00:31:12.588 --> 00:31:12.818 now, 00:31:12.918 --> 00:31:15.788 Eli Davis: So are you using paid versions for the two or are you 00:31:15.928 --> 00:31:18.438 Teaira McMucurty: yes, because you pay for ChatGPT. 00:31:18.548 --> 00:31:19.657 Oh, 00:31:20.308 --> 00:31:20.668 Eli Davis: do. 00:31:21.338 --> 00:31:22.508 Teaira McMucurty: it's still on your account, my bad. 00:31:23.058 --> 00:31:23.228 Eli Davis: I'll 00:31:23.378 --> 00:31:24.658 Teaira McMucurty: no, no. 00:31:24.728 --> 00:31:33.008 So yeah, it's, I mean, at this point in my life, I couldn't, I have to do paid version now because I, I use it too much. 00:31:33.118 --> 00:31:37.728 And it's not, not, not too much in the sense of, you know, that's a bad thing. 00:31:37.738 --> 00:31:41.208 No, I use it because I'm saying it's, it's no lines here. 00:31:41.403 --> 00:31:51.513 Eli Davis: So, so, so, you know, one of the things I was early on, I was listening to Bill Gates talk about what he thought artificial intelligence was and what he said is just intellect. 00:31:51.573 --> 00:31:52.693 It's just intelligence. 00:31:53.033 --> 00:32:14.293 He said we really need, we really need to take off the the idea of artificial and we just need to just go ahead and put the the conceptualization of intelligence and what I what What I now understand is that right now open AI has this pro version that's 200 a month. 00:32:15.173 --> 00:32:17.463 That's a whole extra zero on that 20. 00:32:20.363 --> 00:32:20.683 That's, 00:32:20.728 --> 00:32:20.868 Teaira McMucurty: know. 00:32:21.018 --> 00:32:24.978 might be like, they might be getting like Apple to the point where like, you gotta 00:32:25.213 --> 00:32:29.303 Eli Davis: yeah, you know, and I think that is exactly their goal and their mission. 00:32:29.313 --> 00:32:48.873 They want to, you know, what is the best way to sustain a company is to make sure that you have a product that everybody feel is if they need, you know, so, so, so what I do know and I and I think of it like this is like right now I remember back in the day, you When, you know, when I was in high school, long time ago, we ain't even gonna talk about that. 00:32:49.313 --> 00:32:55.163 As a matter of fact, when I started thinking about high school, all of a sudden I, before the building, I started seeing dust. 00:32:56.833 --> 00:32:59.563 So, you know, cause the thought is so old. 00:32:59.563 --> 00:33:03.078 Alright, so, 00:33:03.158 --> 00:33:08.437 Teaira McMucurty: wanted to give you a laugh, but I was like, no, I'm gonna let him kind of walk me through this one. 00:33:08.518 --> 00:33:09.568 So, okay. 00:33:10.068 --> 00:33:12.827 Hmm. 00:33:13.192 --> 00:33:16.222 Eli Davis: on that thought, , that thought is gone. 00:33:16.787 --> 00:33:17.707 Teaira McMucurty: Eli, I'm so sorry. 00:33:17.707 --> 00:33:19.347 Oh, back when you were in high school. 00:33:19.402 --> 00:33:19.792 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:33:20.152 --> 00:33:21.202 I guess it's so dusty. 00:33:21.202 --> 00:33:21.712 I forgot. 00:33:22.147 --> 00:33:23.197 Yeah, gone. 00:33:23.417 --> 00:33:23.637 Go. 00:33:23.972 --> 00:33:26.282 Teaira McMucurty: Cause I have, I have, I have something to ask you, 00:33:26.717 --> 00:33:27.037 Eli Davis: Go ahead. 00:33:27.167 --> 00:33:39.917 Teaira McMucurty: Now that we've been talking for a while now, now I'm, I'm interested in, in thinking about, you know, our listeners and who may come across this podcast, you know, there are some that's going to be like, you know, like. 00:33:40.367 --> 00:33:41.907 Just like, yeah, I've used that. 00:33:41.937 --> 00:33:42.587 I've done that. 00:33:42.587 --> 00:33:43.247 I've done that. 00:33:43.627 --> 00:33:48.857 And there's going to be some who are like, I don't even know how to get to a chat, 00:33:48.977 --> 00:33:49.397 Eli Davis: Oh yeah. 00:33:49.397 --> 00:33:49.577 Oh 00:33:49.687 --> 00:33:50.037 Teaira McMucurty: what I mean? 00:33:50.137 --> 00:33:59.068 So my, my, my question to you then if I'm if we have a listener who's like, Ooh, I want to try it, but I don't know like how to start. 00:33:59.088 --> 00:34:00.378 It's just so big. 00:34:00.378 --> 00:34:01.648 I don't know how to start. 00:34:01.678 --> 00:34:03.048 What would be your advice? 00:34:03.048 --> 00:34:04.818 Like the top three things you should do 00:34:05.298 --> 00:34:05.978 Eli Davis: Oh, okay. 00:34:05.988 --> 00:34:13.338 So first of all go and do like a Google search and see what kind of artificial intelligence are out there. 00:34:14.601 --> 00:34:17.701 I would recommend going to and, oh, okay. 00:34:17.701 --> 00:34:20.601 Now I remember the thought I was talking about name brand intelligence. 00:34:20.661 --> 00:34:21.311 You know what I mean? 00:34:21.311 --> 00:34:24.111 Because Bill Gates, yeah, Bill Gates was talking about intelligence. 00:34:24.381 --> 00:34:26.061 Your Harari, your ball. 00:34:26.376 --> 00:34:31.356 Who's a historian, he calls it, you know, we don't think need to think of it as artificial intelligence. 00:34:31.356 --> 00:34:33.096 He calls it alien intelligence. 00:34:33.456 --> 00:34:39.426 But what I do know, just like, oh, back in, when I was in high school, we used to have name brand jeans. 00:34:39.806 --> 00:34:49.766 You know, I remember this kids used to be walking around, you know, I went to a historically, or a white school that was out in the suburbs and people had more money than I had. 00:34:49.956 --> 00:35:05.086 So, you know, they used to walk around with your bold jeans on guests on Levi's you know, all of the top name brand jeans, you know, and you know, and how I think about artificial intelligence is basically name brand intelligence. 00:35:05.446 --> 00:35:19.456 You know, you got Claude name brand, Gemini name brand, even Elon Musk, you know, his grok, you know, Gemini, you know, you have all of these name brand perplexity, all of these name brand intelligence. 00:35:19.466 --> 00:35:28.991 So what I want to do, well, I would suggest is, you know, go towards the more name brand ish artificial intelligence, the free version and just start typing it out. 00:35:29.481 --> 00:35:31.491 What I also would give this is 00:35:31.561 --> 00:35:32.591 Teaira McMucurty: out with me, typing it 00:35:32.611 --> 00:35:35.511 Eli Davis: Just like typing in and just engaging with it. 00:35:35.761 --> 00:35:39.271 But what, this is um, this is, you know. 00:35:40.796 --> 00:35:56.176 I'm getting ready to go ahead and give you like a three pointer, you know, while you still being able to make layups, you know, like you probably if you just starting off, you probably should be practicing just real close to the hoop and just making layups or something like that. 00:35:56.461 --> 00:36:12.811 But as a three point shot, what I would suggest is for you to turn on your dictation your talk to text, because a lot of times, especially if you're trying to write or you're trying to brainstorm or think there is. 00:36:13.411 --> 00:36:32.621 Some a level of obfuscation, a level of incontinuity that comes along with people who don't have the ability to type as fast as they can think, you know, but if you talk to text right into the interface, not only will it be able to catch your cadence, you can tell it to analyze you know, your style, analyze your cadence. 00:36:32.991 --> 00:36:38.451 You can tell it to analyze your sentence structure and then you can say, this is how I would like to write. 00:36:38.956 --> 00:36:55.236 You know, talking into text, especially because we're using language models, you know, and the most authentic language is probably the one that you use from, you know, just basically a conscious a straight conscious stream, you know, so that's a three point. 00:36:55.286 --> 00:36:55.766 That's a three. 00:36:55.776 --> 00:36:57.066 That's a three pointer right there. 00:36:57.366 --> 00:37:03.266 If you start to do that, you'll most definitely see different results versus just trying to type in. 00:37:04.141 --> 00:37:06.061 Teaira McMucurty: I think, I think for me, I love that. 00:37:06.061 --> 00:37:06.821 I love all of that. 00:37:06.821 --> 00:37:10.751 One, I am kicking myself every time you mentioned dictator. 00:37:10.751 --> 00:37:15.971 Every time I hear you in your office doing the dictation, I'm like, tear, why don't you just do the dictation? 00:37:15.971 --> 00:37:23.761 You know, because, but for me, cause for me, Oh gosh, my, my thoughts, just like you, they just flood, they just flood, you know what I mean? 00:37:23.761 --> 00:37:24.661 I'm trying to like type. 00:37:25.081 --> 00:37:43.381 But see, what I also love and probably, you know, take advantage of too, is the fact that you can misspell, you could put fragmented thoughts, you could, you know, so a lot of my entries, especially when I'm just freestyling, freestyling off the dome is, you know, very fragmented, misspelled words, all that stuff. 00:37:43.381 --> 00:37:43.691 Right. 00:37:43.931 --> 00:37:47.681 And so, so, but it pumps out what, what I needed to pump out. 00:37:47.681 --> 00:37:49.181 So a couple of points on your point. 00:37:49.191 --> 00:37:52.081 So I want to really, you know, drive home this point of. 00:37:52.501 --> 00:37:58.311 You know, especially to listeners who are like, Oh my gosh, I just don't know where to start or how do I engage with it? 00:37:58.811 --> 00:38:05.051 One of the things that I want to just touch on to what you said is alien intelligence name brands, I love all of that. 00:38:05.401 --> 00:38:12.791 One of my excellent colleagues he's so into AI and he actually showed me the, the Gemini and he helped me write a grant. 00:38:13.291 --> 00:38:14.101 So hopefully I'll get it. 00:38:14.111 --> 00:38:17.201 Hopefully next time I'm on your show, if you'll have me, I'll be saying. 00:38:17.711 --> 00:38:37.871 You know, I was able to write a grant, but that's, that was another way in which I got into the artificial rabbit hole because, oh my gosh, the way in which, you know, I could get so specific and clarify myself, I was at the point where I had like five different versions of excellent, you know things that I could, you know choose, but anyway, he calls it augmented intelligence. 00:38:38.356 --> 00:38:40.096 Intelligence is a little bit fake about it. 00:38:40.096 --> 00:38:40.426 Right? 00:38:40.766 --> 00:38:41.616 Don't get me wrong. 00:38:41.656 --> 00:38:50.956 It does Hallucinations from which it has gone it has where it is now than where it used to be. 00:38:50.966 --> 00:38:52.646 It leaps and bounds, you know what I mean? 00:38:52.646 --> 00:39:11.896 Like, it is hallucinations are very minimal, you know but so, yeah, so I would say, like, I think about it sometimes is like, you know in research projects, you have to think about does this research, is it is it harmful or there's always going to be risks associated with, you know, the, the research. 00:39:11.916 --> 00:39:11.936 Yeah. 00:39:12.306 --> 00:39:17.986 Or the, the project, whatever you're trying to implement, but do the risks outweigh the benefits? 00:39:18.056 --> 00:39:20.486 And the answer is no, and it should be no, you know what I mean? 00:39:20.486 --> 00:39:31.086 Because there are so so anyway, the hallucinations and the artificiality of this intelligence is it's the risks, you know, definitely out there, there are more benefits, right? 00:39:31.726 --> 00:39:36.016 Anyway, so what I would, you know, suggest is one, 00:39:36.126 --> 00:39:36.336 Eli Davis: T 00:39:36.966 --> 00:39:37.516 Teaira McMucurty: I'm sorry, 00:39:37.716 --> 00:39:38.856 Eli Davis: No, this is for new people. 00:39:39.186 --> 00:39:39.716 Teaira McMucurty: Okay, 00:39:39.996 --> 00:39:42.046 Get out of your mind that it's like a Google. 00:39:42.086 --> 00:39:42.486 Okay. 00:39:42.496 --> 00:39:47.266 Cause if you want to search for something, if you want to search for a store, if you want to search for something, use Google. 00:39:47.366 --> 00:39:47.836 Okay. 00:39:48.296 --> 00:39:49.316 This is not Google. 00:39:49.386 --> 00:39:55.656 This is, this is, this is, this is like a bi directional information system. 00:39:56.006 --> 00:39:56.566 Okay. 00:39:57.006 --> 00:39:59.176 That can go beyond just simply. 00:39:59.581 --> 00:40:02.541 Simply transactional type of entries. 00:40:02.741 --> 00:40:09.141 Okay, so, so think of it as not necessarily there's another person on the end, you know, typing it out. 00:40:09.431 --> 00:40:15.731 Even though when I'm using it as my you know, psychotherapist, I like to think of it as someone, you know, sitting in 00:40:15.796 --> 00:40:16.831 Eli Davis: With the human body. 00:40:17.821 --> 00:40:18.351 Teaira McMucurty: excuse me? 00:40:18.771 --> 00:40:19.941 Eli Davis: Someone with the human body. 00:40:20.106 --> 00:40:22.796 Teaira McMucurty: Like Sajna Guru, Mooji. 00:40:22.846 --> 00:40:24.996 I'm really envisioning them on the other end. 00:40:25.996 --> 00:40:31.626 Don't bother to, you know, think of it as like you insert something and it gives you a list of suggestions. 00:40:31.936 --> 00:40:39.656 This is totally customizable to the point where you can get it to, you know and sometimes I have to tell me, I have to tell it. 00:40:40.016 --> 00:40:42.386 Don't just give me the, don't just give me the good stuff. 00:40:42.396 --> 00:40:43.206 What I want to hear. 00:40:43.226 --> 00:40:44.226 Give me the hard stuff. 00:40:44.236 --> 00:40:45.366 Give me what I don't want to hear. 00:40:45.366 --> 00:40:45.726 Okay. 00:40:45.726 --> 00:40:46.626 So I'll give you example. 00:40:46.656 --> 00:41:05.176 So so what I would suggest is when folks are trying to experiment with it, don't have something do the in an hour or the night, like give yourself some space to just engage with it, risk free, you know pressure free, you know, I would start with the personal stuff. 00:41:05.276 --> 00:41:07.696 I would start by dictating and giving it. 00:41:07.956 --> 00:41:14.506 And hey, this is my first time using artificial intelligence, and I'm just curious as to like, what are the capabilities? 00:41:14.746 --> 00:41:15.786 What are the limitations? 00:41:15.996 --> 00:41:17.996 I mean, start engaging with it that way. 00:41:18.046 --> 00:41:19.946 I love to use the voice feature. 00:41:20.436 --> 00:41:20.706 Eli Davis: Yep. 00:41:20.776 --> 00:41:22.456 This is the job that I do. 00:41:22.506 --> 00:41:23.636 This is my, 00:41:23.651 --> 00:41:32.391 Teaira McMucurty: And tell me, what are ways in which, yeah, what are some ways in which I can use it and literally, and you don't have to worry about like taking notes, you know, like, oh my gosh, let me write that down. 00:41:32.391 --> 00:41:34.381 No, it's all going to be saved for you. 00:41:34.391 --> 00:41:35.871 It's all going to be, you know what I mean? 00:41:36.381 --> 00:41:43.101 And then I want to go back to real quick, citing Chad, don't get me wrong, like, or just citing artificial intelligence, please don't get me wrong. 00:41:43.101 --> 00:41:54.796 Because Right now I'm at, I'm not at a place to be able to say, you know and maybe it will become acceptable to be like, you know, this was written in collaboration with artificial intelligence. 00:41:54.866 --> 00:41:59.296 I'm just not, I'm just not really, there yet. 00:41:59.346 --> 00:42:13.706 And for various reasons, I'm not able to articulate them right now, but I have no problem with like, if I'm sending a, If I'm in charge of note taking during like a meeting or something, I'm using, I'm using artificial intelligence, okay? 00:42:13.756 --> 00:42:19.806 As a matter fact, I should have put it on here, where there's a, it's not on here, but I have it built in. 00:42:19.866 --> 00:42:20.246 I forget 00:42:20.296 --> 00:42:21.178 Eli Davis: Otter 00:42:21.546 --> 00:42:22.366 Teaira McMucurty: Thank you, Otter. 00:42:22.396 --> 00:42:25.186 Ooh, I got it as an app, so sometimes I'll click it. 00:42:25.516 --> 00:42:38.296 When I'm meeting and then it just summarizes all that stuff now, of course they get you know artificial It gets the names mixed up and sometimes you really have to go through with the fine tooth and make sure it's you know Fine, I think that's a black idiom. 00:42:38.296 --> 00:42:41.656 So let me explain that but fine tooth come like you really gotta You know, 00:42:42.276 --> 00:42:43.146 Eli Davis: It's like, like 00:42:45.296 --> 00:42:46.406 I was about to say a bad joke. 00:42:46.766 --> 00:42:49.316 It's like when you're fine tuned cone when you're trying to get lice out. 00:42:50.346 --> 00:42:53.336 Teaira McMucurty: oh, come on, you're 00:42:53.466 --> 00:42:54.966 Eli Davis: I work at an elementary school. 00:42:54.966 --> 00:42:55.886 Mmhmm, 00:42:56.096 --> 00:42:56.346 Teaira McMucurty: in. 00:42:56.376 --> 00:42:56.736 Okay. 00:42:57.726 --> 00:43:02.386 So yeah, so that's how I would start with engaging with it You know what i'm saying? 00:43:02.386 --> 00:43:10.293 Like like the the the two wrong things to wrong uses of it is using it as like a google because just get on google Because I do that too. 00:43:10.293 --> 00:43:13.136 I get on google like sometimes everything ain't for chat, you know, I 00:43:13.326 --> 00:43:13.656 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:43:13.816 --> 00:43:26.331 Teaira McMucurty: But then the other thing too, is don't don't just don't let it just pump out You know one of the best features in the world, my goodness, is to be able to upload attachments. 00:43:26.451 --> 00:43:26.661 How 00:43:26.816 --> 00:43:26.956 Eli Davis: Oh 00:43:26.956 --> 00:43:27.516 Teaira McMucurty: that now? 00:43:27.546 --> 00:43:28.376 For about a year? 00:43:28.561 --> 00:43:29.611 Eli Davis: yeah for about a year. 00:43:29.611 --> 00:43:52.201 Yeah, you can upload some attachments, you know, they got that new feature out with the projects to like, wait till I show you is, it's it's, yeah, because it's like the organization of all of your chats and what so I asked, you know, I told her to do a search and asked me, like, what is the best way in which you can you can do your chat and for a very long time I had, I was like, man, I wish that this chat knew all of my chats and 00:43:52.296 --> 00:43:52.676 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah! 00:43:52.861 --> 00:43:52.981 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:43:53.231 --> 00:43:55.401 Yes, you know, because I got many chats. 00:43:55.631 --> 00:43:57.191 Well, you can do that now. 00:43:57.581 --> 00:43:58.091 So, 00:43:58.201 --> 00:43:59.491 Teaira McMucurty: But you know what, Eli? 00:43:59.541 --> 00:44:12.481 Honestly, I've heard you say several features that you wish it could do, that it did in a matter of time, so that's why I would just love, I would love to see you on a design team, you know, but anyway, 00:44:12.486 --> 00:44:12.856 Eli Davis: Yep. 00:44:14.021 --> 00:44:15.301 Teaira McMucurty: so yeah, so I hope that 00:44:15.346 --> 00:44:21.866 Eli Davis: mouth to God's ears and whoever's a God out there, you know, Hey, call me 00:44:22.181 --> 00:44:23.455 Teaira McMucurty: I can take 00:44:23.666 --> 00:44:24.198 Clearly. 00:44:24.528 --> 00:44:37.288 It's taking artificial intelligence to sometimes I have it for, and this is personal too, but I have it right, like when we're in church, I'll have it right prayers for me so I could say them as we're, cause sometimes my thoughts get so jangled and organized. 00:44:37.318 --> 00:44:37.588 One of the 00:44:37.783 --> 00:44:38.933 Eli Davis: So you use A. I. as God? 00:44:38.983 --> 00:44:41.513 Teaira McMucurty: But now we getting, now we crossing, we crossing. 00:44:41.538 --> 00:44:42.358 Eli Davis: Too metaphorical. 00:44:42.648 --> 00:44:43.528 Too metaphysical. 00:44:43.688 --> 00:44:43.928 we go. 00:44:43.928 --> 00:44:45.018 Too metaphysical in there. 00:44:46.358 --> 00:44:49.778 Alright, but this is a real good time to go ahead and close it up. 00:44:50.668 --> 00:44:55.298 First of all, I just want to say you know, thank you very much, T. I appreciate it. 00:44:55.608 --> 00:44:59.928 And, you know, some of these podcasts, I'm just going to have to do solo dolo. 00:45:00.248 --> 00:45:04.538 And, you know, hopefully that I won't have to necessarily do that, that you'll be my part. 00:45:04.963 --> 00:45:05.873 Teaira McMucurty: Oh, sure. 00:45:05.883 --> 00:45:06.703 But listen, but listen. 00:45:06.753 --> 00:45:11.153 Eli Davis: One of the things that's really good is, first of all, I love talking to you. 00:45:11.433 --> 00:45:14.763 And two, in this platform, it's kind of like a different talk. 00:45:15.853 --> 00:45:16.613 You know what I mean? 00:45:16.623 --> 00:45:16.933 All of a 00:45:16.943 --> 00:45:17.043 Teaira McMucurty: Yeah. 00:45:17.043 --> 00:45:20.293 Because you are very, you are very what do you call it? 00:45:20.393 --> 00:45:26.643 You're not filtered, but you are definitely, you definitely won't just say your first thought. 00:45:26.853 --> 00:45:27.643 Let's just say that. 00:45:28.213 --> 00:45:31.490 Eli Davis: I said my second, third, fourth thought, so what? 00:45:33.565 --> 00:45:40.515 Oh, that's so excuse me with the voices y'all that's that T and I have so many different voices, 00:45:40.655 --> 00:45:41.245 Teaira McMucurty: Well, you 00:45:41.275 --> 00:45:41.665 Eli Davis: to dating 00:45:41.898 --> 00:45:45.965 Teaira McMucurty: speak for yourself, Eli, because I have not said one voice yet. 00:45:45.965 --> 00:45:47.375 I know how to separate persons. 00:45:51.225 --> 00:45:55.205 Okay, but time out, but listen, but for viewers, I hope that there was a way. 00:45:55.650 --> 00:46:04.610 That they can engage, though, because there are a lot of things we just kind of threw out and didn't expand upon, or there's something that might be questionable. 00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:09.390 Honestly, I say some questionable things, too, because just like AI, I'm evolving. 00:46:09.390 --> 00:46:17.600 So I don't, you know, some things that I feel now, I don't, or that I felt about AI several months ago, I don't feel the same way. 00:46:17.660 --> 00:46:18.780 So it just evolves. 00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:19.620 I would love. 00:46:20.205 --> 00:46:22.385 You know, to be able to address something, 00:46:22.455 --> 00:46:34.080 Eli Davis: Yeah, so that's what so that's why you most definitely have to come back So if there are some people that want to go ahead and put some comments on there Want us to expand on some things, you know, tear Dr. tear McMurtry. 00:46:34.080 --> 00:46:37.490 She is, you know, really big in the field. 00:46:37.490 --> 00:46:38.280 You can look her up. 00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:39.300 T. A. I 00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:40.370 Teaira McMucurty: all the 00:46:40.535 --> 00:46:40.775 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:46:40.775 --> 00:46:41.865 Dr. Tear McMurtry. 00:46:41.885 --> 00:46:44.825 She's an easy Google search and you can see what she's done. 00:46:45.285 --> 00:46:48.035 You know, the articles she's on Google Scholarly. 00:46:48.035 --> 00:46:49.425 So you can check her out there. 00:46:49.995 --> 00:47:04.985 Um, but what we can do is if you have any questions or comments or you want us to elaborate on something because T is going to be here, you know, what I want you to do is just put some comments in the comment section and we are going to close this on out. 00:47:04.985 --> 00:47:11.985 I just want to say thank you to your McMurtry T for being on the podcast and, you know, thank you everybody out there listening. 00:47:11.985 --> 00:47:12.765 I appreciate you. 00:47:13.115 --> 00:47:14.635 And we get ready to close out. 00:47:14.635 --> 00:47:16.825 Thank you for tuning in to. 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.730 AI with Eli artificial intelligence, real talk. 00:47:21.230 --> 00:47:21.530 right. 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:22.220 Peace.