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On episode 4 of Convergence, dancing with the universe,

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why time is not a shirt and gross, outdoor advertising.

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At the end of the last episode, I thought you said something really cool.

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I don't really have anything to add to, but just wanted to reiterate how beautiful I thought it was.

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You said that the things that you were working on were kind of more heart and head related.

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And the project I was working on was a bit more body and I had spirit related.

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And I feel like you hadn't had a heart in me in the body and the spirit, full spread coverage of

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what we've got to hold us.

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We've got a whole plus.

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What we're aiming for.

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Yeah, it's really, it's really quite cool.

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Yeah, I think my body's to come.

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It's not its time yet, but it's definitely coming.

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Like, yeah, the heart and the brain brought me back to three is the magic number.

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The heart and the brain and the body gives you three.

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And that's a magic number.

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So it appears that if you're in a vest might be dancing with me.

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Oh, nice.

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It's not going to be happy with you.

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That you're starting to do some.

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You explained it to me.

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Yeah.

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What's the dance?

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So, you know, we've been having this conversation about what we truly want.

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And one of the things, it just came unbidden to my brain a couple of, I don't know,

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it was last week, it was like, something you miss is radio.

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Like, and wouldn't it be fun to actually do some real radio on a real radio station

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or just not have to be big, but wouldn't that be fun?

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And it was just one of those things.

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I was just like, put it in my head.

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I didn't really sort of wish for it or anything because I just thought,

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well, I know how much is involved in that and how much work it's involved.

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And I'm sort of fairly good where I am now.

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But yeah, no, it'd be lovely.

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Today someone asked me if I wanted to join a radio station.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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I love it.

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What is that like a serious opportunity?

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Yeah, I don't think it might not be paid.

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But this would be the first time that I was asked as opposed to

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can I join your radio station, please?

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I was invited.

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Nice.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that's the university.

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It's for sure.

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Yeah.

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There's, yeah, I'm vibrating a little bit today because there's been a few of those

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things that have been sort of just ping and often all sorts of stuff that's been happening just

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this last week or so.

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And I've kind of got a...

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It's weird.

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I need to kind of take some time to put all of these

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nice little...

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They're not all opportunities, but they're all, you know, threads.

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I've got to kind of put them in order because I don't want to...

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I don't want any of them to flap away in the breeze.

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Like, I want to make sure that I can, you know, not grip them too tightly, but at least

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put them in order somewhere so that I can address them and so they don't fly away.

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And so if you hear a tideness in my voice today, it's because I am tired because I've been...

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this is called number five and one of them was a live stream and the other one went on for two hours.

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Oh wow.

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Yeah.

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And with with with with with with my friend and literally just hopped off the this call to our

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call with my friend that I'd talked about when we first discussed manifestation and how the frustration

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that I'd had and we walked through it all. We talked through it all.

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Awesome. And we had a really good conversation about it and at some point she's going to have to come

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on the podcast, I think. Oh absolutely.

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And it was wonderful, you know, with all the stuff that she's talked about about a self-hip

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no-sist and and the universe to to hear that that's what I'm expecting.

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I mean, her head nearly exploded when I told her I was, I was, you know, getting into manifestation

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and it was wonderful. So I spent, I spent, I spent going on for you this week.

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Well, you mentioned a little idea. So we moved the back end of our podcast planning system into

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notion because you'd like notion works for you. I don't really care. You do most of the work anyway.

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But then you propose this cute little plan of streamlining the audio publishing to be within notion.

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And you just needed to do a little coding to do it. And at first I was just like, yeah, sure.

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Whatever. I mean, great. I appreciate you running it by me, but like this,

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I can't, whatever. But then it hit me in two ways, both in the, in the, to be magnetic way

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and the any-a-gram way that we've kind of touched on. And I was just kind of, I wanted to,

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I wanted to bring that up and kind of poke it you a little bit with hopefully not the, like,

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whenever I, whenever I gently call somebody out because it's, this is gentle. It's, it's not, you did nothing wrong.

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But I don't really feel like I did. He did not. You did not. You did not. You did nothing wrong. You'd

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actually, you marked so hard and it was really great. No, no, no, I don't like being a fan.

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I'm signing. Okay, I'm just going to, I'm going to be intentionally comfortable for the

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next month. Yeah. I'm just going to, this is the safe place. This is the safe place where I am telling you

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things. No, I, I, I, I saw, I saw you wanting to do this, actually, a little project. In the,

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in the spirit of making things easier and nicer and, and, in a creative fashion and unique and,

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a bit of putting your own effort into it and everything. And, on the, on the, on the, any

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agram side, being a nine, we're both doing dominant and doing repressed. So we, we take in things

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by doing, so we process things by doing, that's how, that's how we understand the world. So,

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in that regard, this is perfect. But we're also doing repressed, which means not that we don't do

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things. We do a lot of things. But that, the doing that we do is unproductive. It's not towards our goals.

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It's not getting us where we want to unless we check ourselves and, and address that. And this could be

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something that's very productive. It could be in, you know, in the short term or long term. It could

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make things easier and then you spend less time doing the rest of the stuff. But it also could be

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that that it's a side track that it's a side quest, an extra adventure, a dayl, say, yeah.

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And then it also, that also made me think of, like, well, how do you know if it's

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productive? Like, how do you know if that's going to be the good path for you? And that's where I

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feel like the TBM of side comes in with your authentic code and the line to action based on your

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authentic code. And I can't remember your four pillars, except for, except for movement and play,

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will right now.

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It's not engagement, expression.

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Expression. Yeah. And so I don't know, like, if you run those, if you run the notion coding to get

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the podcasting through notion, if that aligns with any of those four pillars, and, you know,

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those four pillars are what will get you to, you know, the dream life and that's like the idea at least.

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And so yeah, that just came, that came to mind. And I wanted to, you know, in terms of us being

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accountability buddies and, you know, in this, in this group to be literally calling each other out

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and showing each other or weak spots and stuff, that was the spirit in which I wanted to bring this up.

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And also, in turn, I do also want to be called out. Like, I really want to be called out, guys.

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I had an app idea that I shared with our friend UV. I told him, man, I really want to be listening to music,

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but I also really want to be listening to podcasts. I wish I could make an app where one year would

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hear podcasts and one year would hear music. And that way, I could, I could get both done at the same time. And I could still

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cheat, you know, I still up the podcast speed to one and a half speed or something like that and just spit out. And he told me

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that idea sounds productivity, productivity, productivity bankrupt, like that's just,

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and I really appreciate that feedback, because it's like, that's stuck with me, like, okay,

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that's trying to do too much. And so that I wouldn't be doing anything. But that was my, that was my thought

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about the notion coding. Part of the space that's, and none of that is wrong. I don't reject any of it. I accept all of it. Thank you.

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And also to say, I haven't done anything about it. Part of the thinking was,

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I've been a bit frustrated with Bramble, because it's come. So Bramble is the podcast platform that I've been

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building started at the end of May, the furious action, lots of doing. And I met a crossroads that I

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did not expect to be three weeks ago when we started this podcast. And that that very real crossroads is

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is Bramble in alignment. And it sort of breaks my heart a little bit, because this so much to be proud of there.

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But I'm also now that it's being exposed to more people. I'm seeing where it's broken, with you know,

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whether there are bits that need to be fixed. And I'm not excessively motivated to fix those issues,

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which tells me something. The notion of it all, the idea of the notion thing was basically,

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I want to keep making podcasts. I want to keep making helping people make podcasts.

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I do so much in notion anyway. And I've, in some ways, been trying to replicate what a notion

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does in Bramble. Why don't I just say screw it, cut out them, based not cut out the middle

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but it introduced a new middle man. And just take out a lot of the work that I've been doing. And actually,

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you know, just say, put the audio in notion and then you get a podcast out. And there's lots and lots of

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sort of things that make that not ideal, but it's a fun idea to play with. And that was kind of it,

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really, it was just a fun idea to play with. It also insight of thinking is Bramble the thing. And I thought

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it was. And then I started to really sit down and think about, yeah, where I want to go, what I want

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to do, what does life look like if I'm not constantly doggy paddling and there's a lot of doggy paddling

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involved in Bramble. And also the fact that, you know, and I mean, hindsight will make you look at things

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in all sorts of different ways. But when I've had conversations with people in the industry,

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no one has thought that Bramble was a particularly good idea. Because of the climate and because of

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where we are and why would you be in incumbent, why would you be in an upstart and, you know, when, you know,

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there's sort of people going, I think we solve this, I think we solve this, I think we solve hosting,

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like we're good. And there are still people doing it. There's still people starting up new things.

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But, you know, the fact that that's sort of the reaction, contrast that with when I have conversations

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with other people, I tell them about it. That sounds great. But there is still

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conversations around how is it different. And I don't know that I've really satisfactorily answered that

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other than saying, yeah, but it's mine. Who's doing it the way I want to do it? And it's not doing

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it all the way I want to do it just yet. But it's doing it some of the way I want to, you know, um,

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I mean, you're on this story in me. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And, you know, I can be kind to

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myself and recognize how much it took, how long it took to build podiums and how, and some of the sacrifices

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involved in that and the dissatisfaction and the, you know, um, and all those kind of things and just sort of

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going, yeah, do I want to be there again? Um, when I can see an alternative route, because I think that was

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the thing, you know, in May, I didn't see the alternative route. I didn't see the idea of what might

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it mean if I can be paid to support people with their creative work. Um, and do I have a bit of

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ability right now to test that and see if there is something in it and, you know, I've got, I've got

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a bit of leeway at the moment. I don't feel like I'm scrambling. Um, and do I have time to do that

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and ramble now? What makes it awkward at the moment is there is, you know, one of the person using

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Bramble who is not me. Um, and so that's that, that's a whole question for another day and maybe a

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bullet that has to be bit, but, um, better to do that sooner. Um, but yeah, so it was sort of

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all coming from that place of like, I love this thing, but I don't know if it's what's going to

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serve me long term. I don't know if it's the right thing right now. Um, but, um, and, and trying to,

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as I saw from doing as, as what feels like a nine thing, do my way out of the problem,

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rather than not do. Um, and, and that's, yeah, and, and sort of realizing that, I think is why

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I haven't done anything, you know, and instead I made a silly game, um, in an evening, which I still

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enjoy, um, and that, you know, I played and it's quite fun. Um, and I worked on my Christmas song,

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and that's what I did this week, you know, um, and that felt a lot, a lot more good, uh, than, um,

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than than, than, than, than, than, Brambleing, um, which is just, yeah, it's such a weird thought

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and there's so much baggage that comes with it. Um, because, you know, I can look at the website and go,

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even that website itself had about four iterations because I wanted to get it right, and I wanted

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to get the messaging right, and, um, and it, it's not even in its infancy, um, and I've had good

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conversations with people, but it's it ultimately a distraction from what now seems like a

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clear path if I can be brave enough to stick it out. Bramble would require the same, uh, bravery, so

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yeah. So that's amazing, dude. I, um, uh, meant so that's so bittersweet, uh, it's hard to

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react, but uh, um, I'm proud of you for coming to those thoughts and, and asking yourself an

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hard question about what you really want and what's the right thing to do and, um, um, yeah, that's, that's

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tough, man. Yeah, I think back in the day, I think I would, I would think about this has to be announced.

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I have to tell people, is like, no, no, I can just stop doing it. Um, you know, the, the same number of

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people who aren't signing up now would be the same number of people who don't care that there isn't

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this thing that they didn't know existed. It can just sunset. It can just sunset. Um, and it might be the

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the one person that I have to say, listen, I know you moved over. You were, I'd actually said to them,

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like, wait, because we're not ready, and then she would like, no, I want to do it, uh, which was

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beautiful and lovely. I, you know, it might be the time to say sooner rather than later. Perhaps,

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it's worth moving back. Um, yeah. Um, but hey, hoe, uh, we move on. Um, and, uh, uh, and what's

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not what's, and, um, you've been, you've been, you've been hard at work. I have, yeah, I've also been,

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I spent this week doing, doing some doing. Um, I had, I had the proud, I had the proud and, and I

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lated feeling of, uh, of painting the baby's room as the expectant father before before the, and like,

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there's no, there's no announcement yet. There's nothing, nothing coming in the, in the pipes, but I was

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going to say, I thought I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought,

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thought that I'd missed it. I don't know. No, there's no announcement. Well, we're, we're going to

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start trying earlier in the year and next in the new year, but, um, but I'm, I'm working on the room

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now because, uh, I have a bunch of projects here that I, at the, at the, at the cottage that I really want

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to finish before, uh, before the baby comes and including the baby's room itself, which I started to do

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first because, um, it's inside the house and it feels very tumultuous to have kind of a construction area

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going, um, the, the way that our, the way that our house is laid up is, uh, there's this big,

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el-shaped awkward bedroom in the back of the house. And so we added a, um, a little zigzag wall

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to make it to rectangles with closets. And, um, and they're both, they're both pretty tiny rooms,

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but that's a really kind of fine for me because like, the, the bedroom is really just for a bed

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and clothes, like, don't hang out in the bedroom or anything like that. All the hanging out

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comes in the big nice living room that, uh, that used to be a living room and a bedroom, but then I combine

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those two rooms to make a big open floor plan. And so, sorry, sacrifice to bedroom and then I added

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a smaller bedroom and that works out great, but this been, it's been taken a long time to get the, uh,

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the, the, the, the second of the two new bedrooms finished. And so now I'm working on that and

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getting the walls painted and nice, uh, chai. And, are you can see behind me, I've got, uh, I've got some

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bookcases I'm working on and, uh, there's a, there's a little bench down below, um,

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that has, it has a pull up, uh, a pull up, put your block thing for storage underneath and stuff

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and I'm really, really proud of it. I've got, like, oak in layers and, like, a mint green paint that kind

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of, it looks like a, with, with, uh, not oak walnut, uh, with the walnut and the mint kind of

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looks like a chocolate chip mint kind of ice cream color and it's, it's just kind of really classy,

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like I'm just super happy with it. So, um, so that's what I've been doing, I've been doing that a lot

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as, as well as working on, working on rock star, meeting with, meeting with some clients, got a new

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client call and declined the project because, um, their house is kind of like sinking into the sand beneath

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their house and not, it's not, it's not stable. And so I don't want to be respond, they actually did

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a, they did a project a year ago and that, the, the, the contractor definitely messed up. There was

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some bad work done, but I think also because the house is sinking that, it's like compounded and I'm like,

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I can't take on that response, I can't take on that liability, um, so you have to, you have to fix all

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of that before I can come in and even give you an estimate. And then also, uh, after the end of last

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podcast, I had my interview with Brighton Bush and that went, that went really well. So, uh, also kind of

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bittersweet, um, they absolutely want me to come and work. And they are excited for me, like, the,

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I am, I am a, I must have. So, I will be going to Brighton Bush to work and help rebuild after their fires

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and try to restore it to its former glory, the glory that I knew in its heyday in 2015. The bad news

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is that they, um, they really want somebody to just kind of be independent and move their full time

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and not have ties to other things, which completely understand. Like, they just, they want somebody

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tighten a community, because they have a very tight community to think going on and I get it and it's just

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not where I'm at in my life right now. I want to keep rockstar, I want to keep my house. I want Margaret

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to keep her, um, her career trajectory going and, um, it's just not the right time for us to all move

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to Brighton Bush. So, it might happen in the future. We might build a good rapport and a good

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connection and it might be a better time in the future and I might just, you know, apply for a full time.

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Yes, one of their full times goes away and then I can fill in that spot. So, it's kind of

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great all around. The only, the biggest downside is that I don't get the, um, I don't get the

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health insurance that I wanted. Health insurance is so freaking expensive here, not only as expensive,

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but it's just garbage. It doesn't cover anything. And so I, as an independent contractor,

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I had to buy my own insurance. I have to go into a marketplace and buy it. And it'll be at least $500

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a month for the shittiest insurance that doesn't really cover anything. It's like, okay, if you have to

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use the emergency room, you'll be okay after like a $10,000 deductible. But otherwise, like,

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it's not, it's not worth it. It doesn't help you at all. Um, and, you know, to get anything good,

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you're paying at least $6 or $700 a month or more, probably. Um, and so it's hard for me as a

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capacorn, as a nine, as, as an anti-capitalist to at all want to pay an insurance company this much,

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like, like, I would much rather put that into a money market account or something and have that

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make an 8% interest or more than, um, then pay those middlemen who are just going to be stealing my

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money, eventually, like, that's just, that's just the way they work. They make a lot of money because we all

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pay into it. And, uh, anyway, that's not the point. Because it's, it's gambling. Yeah, yeah, it's gambling.

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Yeah, you know, um, which is illegally most of your states. Thanks. Yeah, we just dress it up in different

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ways and call it important. Uh, we gamble with our lives and livelihoods. That's, that's what

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we do instead. It's all just, you know, it's, it's just, it's a bet that I bet this doesn't happen. And

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that's just like, I hate it. I hate it. I absolutely hate it. Um, because it is, it's just, it's, it's

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penicious and, um, recently, I, I, it's a friend of the family who has been absolutely screwed by

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insurers because I, it's not my story to tell, but it made me so angry. It is so unfair. Um,

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what's happening to this person, um, because an insurance company wants to protect, you know,

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that because they don't want to pay out, they know that the person they've insured is in the wrong.

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Um, and that, you know, my, my family friend is, is in the right, they know that this is the

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case. But that's not good enough. They want, they want to give them an, and it's just, it's sickening.

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It's sickening. Yeah. Yeah. The only successful times I've had with insurance companies is like,

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when the payout is like $500, but when, when it's an actual substantial payout, then they, they do

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not, they do not for a go for it. They'll, they'll find any little thing. Um,

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that was, it was an interesting experience. This, the project that I have, this lawsuit over,

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was an insurance project. Uh, so the guy's house flooded a, a pipe burst and then flooded the house

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for, for like weeks while he was, um, on the other side of the country and his, his water company called

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him up and he's like, hey, are you, are you trying to use this much water? It was like a $20,000

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water bill for a month and when it's normally like $200, which is also insane. But not the, not the point.

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And, uh, and so, so his whole house is flooded. It had to be gutted from, from the ceiling down,

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everything was taken out and, um, my job was to come in and give an estimate for how much everything would

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be. It should work with the insurance company to get the most, um, of a, uh, a payment out of what was

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done because also, another reason why I was came in specifically was, um, my work with recording

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studios and soundproofing and there was a converted garage that had a recording studio in it.

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how much to suit be. And so I gave all the proper information for that. And, um, um,

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anyways, long story short, um, I, I actually did, I actually did make some headway with the insurance

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company. I did get the client more money than they would have gotten, which felt really good.

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But then they, uh, they just decided that the client, uh, decided that it was going to take too long

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for for me to come out and do the work and they wanted to work faster, um, and, uh, and did the contract,

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which, we get that's fine. That's is right to do. But I still, I took my payment for all the

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consulting work I had done and he's suing me for that, for that money. And it's just kind of like,

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well, you know, people are going to people. People are going to people. So I guess it's only been

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a week. There's, there's not much more on that. Yeah. No, we got, uh, the, the next, the next, um,

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bit of information should come December 11th when I have the CCB mediation.

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I'm just going, it's going to be, it's going to be interesting because, uh, I mean, like, I have nothing

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to give him. I can't, there's not really going to be any negotiation here. Like, there's no,

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I'm not going to do the work. I can't, I can't do the work for him because, um, he has proven

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himself to be an untrusty person. And even the CCB, which is the governing body that monitors contractors

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and, and contractor customer relations, they say that if you, if you can tell that a client is potentially

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litigious, you should not work for them because it's going to be bad for you. Like, believe that to somebody else.

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I'm like, okay, I'm going to follow the CCB's recommendation here because, like, obviously they

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are litigious and they change, they change their mind. They, like, and that's fine and personal can change

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their mind, but I can't work with that. And, uh, and some other reasons as well. But, like,

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so it's all like I can do the work. I don't have any money to give him. And, um, like, all he wants

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his, his money back and I'm like, well, I don't have that to give you. This is not there

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because that was used for life. Yeah. That was the point of the payment that was, um, but he,

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you've rendered some, and so yeah, exactly. It's, it's just, just because it's someone's time

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people think that they can get, like, no, like, because it's not a shirt that you, that you,

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you can get, you know, if you return the shirt, you don't have the shirt anymore. You can't get

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the time back. You Brendan can't get that time back. You spent it. Yeah. Unless, unless he has a way to return

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that time to me. And then I would gladly find $40,000 to be able to give it, give him back his money

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because I'm going to make way more money from being able to return time to myself and finding out

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that process than $40,000 is going to be, that's a bargain. I'm going to be a chagillionaire.

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I wonder if that is, you know, the mentality is that people think of time as a commodity in that

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way and some of it can just be returned. You know, they don't think, yeah, there's labor that's

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gone into this stuff. And yet, and that only ever gets to happen once that can't happen again,

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it can't be revoked. And so, sorry that it didn't work out, but yeah, anyway, should we move on to,

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onto other things? Yeah, I've been, so while I've been working, I've been, I've been listening to

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this book called "Think You For Being Late" things by Thomas Friedman. I think this is the name

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as the author. He's a New York Times colonist. And so I used to be, I used to be all into tech. I used to follow

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all the tech podcasts, Apple podcasts, and so interested in it. In the last year,

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I just really dropped off. I listened to, or I read this book called "Digital Minimalism" by

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Cal Newhart, Newport? Yeah, I would guess Newport because Cal Newport writes books like that.

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Yeah, and it has this challenge in it for a month to not use any tech screens, not use any

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any electronics that you can avoid. Do all your work on your laptop and then close it when you're done.

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And it really made a difference for me. Like I was already kind of trending that way, but that

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really helped put the nail in the coffin. And I really stopped listening to podcasts like tremendously

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going from like 24 episodes a day to like two a week. And it's been, it's been great,

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anyways, not point. So I've been out of the technology sphere for a while, which is actually kind of

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funny, because this book was written a couple years ago. And so it's all the same. It's up to date with

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where I already was. Like there's no new information in this. But and it kind of felt like it

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feels like, because he's writing about the, and it this point in the book, like how fast technology

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is moving and how fast it's growing. And it feels like it's obsolete as he's writing it. Like

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there's not even as it's published. But like as he's writing it down, it's already like, you know,

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way past it's time. I didn't notice it's been, it's been giving me a little bit of anxiety. I do feel like,

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you know, I times I feel like I'm so behind. And so out of touch and like I'm already becoming a

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commudgeon and and a lullaby to all those things. But at the same time, I'm like, you know, I'll

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have that feeling. I'll recognize that feeling. And then I'll be like, that really doesn't matter.

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Like everybody can be on their tech stuff. But we're all still people in this meat space. Like we're just,

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I, you know, I'm on this process to be more connected with the earth and not with a

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silicon, you know, like or the computer screens and all that kind of stuff. So that that's been

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helping me. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm really excited for the part of the book that tells me how to feel

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better about this. Like right now because I'm still in that the first half, what's telling you all the

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crisis part. And then they tell you, you know, the good stuff at the end. It's called, thank you for being

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late. And so I'm, I'm expecting that there's something good about not being on the forefront of

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technology. But there was, there was one bit that was kind of like, that was very cringy and shocking to me.

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And this is old news. This has happened a couple years ago. But have you seen the Tom Cruise classic

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minority report? Yeah. And you remember like how he's walking down the street and all the, all the,

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the, the advertisements and no exactly, they say his name and like, oh, he's John, you want to

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get, yeah, yeah, the personalized advertisements. This already exists. And it's probably existed a while ago.

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But it's, it exists in this way that I did not fathom. There's, there's a section in Michigan on the

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freeways where clear channel billboards, one of the biggest advertisers in the United States,

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they use, they use sensors along the freeway to capture, uh, mac addresses of the cell phones in people's

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in pockets and in their phones to know who they are and put up, uh, put up, like, change the screen,

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the Billboard screen that, that, that, that all the people are driving by. What I assume is that they

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take an aggregate, like, oh, there's a lot of Duncan doughnuts fans coming up the pike. Let's put

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a Duncan doughnuts ad up on the screen. That, I don't know exactly what they're algorithm. But yeah,

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it's so gross dude. It's so gross. Like, I, and it've also heard like that, that, that, this happens

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in stores too. Like, they, they, they use the proximity of how long you stay by a certain display

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to know, oh, we should enhance this or change this and this and that. And I, I'm kind of like,

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okay, if you want to use data to change how you're doing things, okay, maybe fine, that's still gross.

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But when it's like directly, oh, you're coming, I'm going to show you something that I think is going

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to convince you to buy. Bye, bye, bye, and it's just, it shakes me, it shakes my fiber of my being.

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I don't know if this is helpful or not, but it, that feels to me like a test that was set up,

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because I don't think you can just sniff someone's macadress without your machine opting into

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telling someone that it exists. I don't even as a way to just read to sniff for these addresses.

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I think what has to happen is maybe there's an integration with a, you know, a sell tower,

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but that feels like a big, that feels like he's getting into conspiracy territory.

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It doesn't look a test, since it's always only in Michigan.

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Yeah, exactly. And it might even be an opt-in thing. It could be, because it's such a, I mean,

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yes, as you say in agriculture, but that's also a violation. And also, I think Apple, for example,

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I mean, this is getting deep into tech, but I kind of want to do this, they pursue many sort of

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yeah, yeah, it's clear, I think Apple don't reveal macadresses. In the way that they can be sniffed,

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they think they're randomized, so you would get no useful information from them anyway.

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But obviously it doesn't stop people trying and it doesn't stop Android phones, you know, doing what they want to do.

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But yeah, I mean, I remember a couple of years, last year of the year before hearing a podcast,

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where this guy was being interviewed, he was sponsoring the podcast, and so as part of his sponsorship,

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he got to talk about his product for a bit. And his, his idea was like audio cue our coach.

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And so you would hear a tone or a message or something, and you would just tap your phone and it would go to that website.

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Cool enough, the nice enough idea is that is the tone as ugly as the cue I could image?

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Yeah, I mean, I can be able to get my brain exactly. And so the whole premise is predicated on,

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well, you've got to listen in our app or you've got to, you know, you've got to have this thing in April.

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That's like, no one's going to do that, buddy. No one's going to download an app just so that they can be advertised to.

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It's such that it's that rampant consumerism that the things people are so excited about,

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hearing about brands, no they fucking on.

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Get out of your, you know, your marketing, mad man, you know, mad as an avenue or whatever it is,

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it's not Madison Avenue is it, you know, that whole, that whole thing, that whole mad man nonsense.

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Like, get your head out. People don't worship at the heart, the, the, the whole of the church,

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your brand, they tolerate advertising. And everyone in everyone in advertising talks about,

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actually advertising is content and it fucking isn't. We tolerate it. You love advertising because

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it pays you a hell of a lot of money. Oh, God, it's so good to talk about this. So much in the industry about,

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like, everything is about advertising. And as if it is this legit, and it's like, it's not illegitimate,

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but get your head out of your ass. Like, it is not what you think it is. You're big into it because it

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pays you a huge amount of money. We don't want it. We tolerate it because we know what the,

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the alternative is. We here in the UK live both. We live the, we pay a license fee that gives us a

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phenomenal amount of stuff. I mean, young people, they're young people today, don't get this. And

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so there's this like rebellion against the, the license fee because they don't actually understand

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what it gives you because they think it gives you BBC one and BBC two and a kids TV channel that

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they don't watch. Okay, gives you, it gives you about six different TV channels that broadcast either

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12 or 24 hours a day. And then it gives you a news channel that broadcast 24 hours a day with journalists

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from around the world that are posted where things are happening. There's a huge website with news

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and up-to-date information. There's a huge content library that it's one of the biggest streaming,

382
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so one of the best streaming, and one of the first online streaming services that existed,

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there's sports coverage, there's all these various different things. They fund other projects,

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they make digital shorts, they put on events out in the world, they educate people, they were teachers

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during COVID and all of this for about a kind of what it is about 70, 20 years. That's a astonishingly

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good deal and we don't get advertising. And then we have all the other TV channels where we do.

387
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Honestly, I'd say that is an amazing deal and very good value for money, but also I would bristle

388
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that paying that too because I'm happy it exists and happy that people can use it, but I wouldn't

389
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I don't. And I respect it. I've listened to some BBC, that BBC four, some of those comedy shows

390
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were fucking great songworse. Oh man, amazing. And I've re-tomenously respect the journalism,

391
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but I just don't. Yeah, but then I mean what other things do you not use in your society right now?

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That it's like, I don't drive on this stretch of road, but I'm paying for it. Yeah, that's because

393
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how infrastructure do, that's how it be. Yeah, it's one of those weird things that maybe the media

394
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study student, because I went into media studies, having little respect for the BBC, just thinking

395
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they are, they're old fashioned and they're all this and I just, you know, I began to respect

396
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what they do a lot more and as I've got older, I'm just like, yeah, I'm more and more in favor. And

397
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yeah, like the bill comes through and I'm like, Jesus, but it's a lot less than what you pay for,

398
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you know, certainly now for Netflix and that's and that's what I'm saying. Like the the eye player is

399
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Netflix, but then they do everything else and there isn't this thought of, you know, we don't

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get product placement in our TV shows, you know, in BBC shows, that's not allowed. You get them in

401
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other places, you know, and other channels, but like it's not allowed. I was speaking of

402
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product placement. I think I told you about how much I love the most recent season of Loki.

403
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It blew me away, but there's some heavy product placement and it's like a little bit like

404
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respect, you know, you're not trying to hide it at all. But this is just, thank you McDonald's

405
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for making this season of this, of this show possible because this is glorious television.

406
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I don't really care that you're plastered in front of everything every ever. It's yeah, I do know,

407
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I don't know why I get so like, I think I really do get quite animated about certain things. And I just

408
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think it's that like whenever anyone has like such a reverence for their own, you know, they drink their own

409
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piss and they love it so much. I'm just like, harm your jets and stop making us try and drink it and tell us

410
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it's chocolate milk. I'm going to circle back to something you said. You're initial trying to

411
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to quail my fears. You said that you think you think that this is a test. And I heard the I heard

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test in a different context. I heard it in the TVM context of like, this is triggering me. I am,

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and I was just talking to Margaret about how I, I don't really feel like I am. I don't know where my

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tests are. I don't feel triggered often as I've been working on this sense of calm and serenity

415
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and peace and acceptance with everything. And I truly achieved a lot of it and I just feel so

416
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centered and so calm and like, well, have I just ruined my like ability to know where I need to

417
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improve because I still want to improve. I know I'm not perfect. I know I've got stuff to do. And so

418
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so I recognize, I'm recognizing that, you know, like I said, this book is giving me a little bit of

419
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anxiety and I'm definitely going to trigger by things like custom advertising and that's something for me to

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work. I don't really know exactly what to do with that trigger besides taking it into the trigger

421
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DIA. But we'll see. Yeah, I might my instinct is to think, don't go looking for triggers like,

422
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they will actually, you know, you will know when they really happen, you know what I mean? Like,

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because if right now you're feeling stable, I say, like live with that. Yeah, and enjoy that

424
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for as long as it lasts because it won't last forever. You know, not to be, you know, doing it,

425
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it's just nature of life. A trigger will come like, don't worry about that. Yeah. Yeah,

426
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yeah, I think an opportunity for self-improvement, I'm sure will arise. But yeah, you don't,

427
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you don't need to force it because you've done a lot of work and I think you get to bask for a bit.

428
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And I think you absolutely, you've earned that rest and you've earned that ability just to

429
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look jewelry and this and just, yeah, and just absolutely the, do the positive version of wallowing,

430
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which I guess is basking in this. I've done a lot. I've run a big race and I'm just going to

431
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take an easy for a bit and then at some point. Yeah, it's at some point. Someone's something

432
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that's going to come across. And they'll be a new adventure. They'll be a new hero that needs,

433
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that needs my help and I'll be the mentor and whatever. They'll be a new, you know, whatever.

434
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Perhaps not. But I've yet to start delving into the whole sort of tests and triggers and,

435
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you know, those, those bits, some of the language in the, in the program, I'm still a bit unfamiliar with,

436
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but I will be hoping to do maybe not today because I'm so doctored. But yes, get back into a bit more of

437
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the program. Because I blasted through a couple of bits because I've already done sort of some of it

438
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beforehand. Only like a few days before and the first week of this challenge has been very recappy

439
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of like your previous year and it's not really a lot of new content per science, the sleep

440
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die, which is great. Cameron and I both feel like, I mean, in Margot, I think to, um,

441
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that one just puts us right to sleep, which is really, really fantastic. Yeah, I did something that

442
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I haven't done in a long time and it didn't completely work, but it got me nearly all the way there,

443
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which is, um, as a kid, I went through a phase of listening to, don't laugh. I went through a phase of listening

444
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to Mike Oldfield's tubular bells too. I don't know if you were aware of any of what those words

445
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mean. Never heard of any of that. So, you know, the film, uh, the excessist. Yes, I'm aware of that one.

446
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Do you know the piece of music from it? I think if I heard it, I'd be like, oh yeah, okay.

447
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That's the music from the excess. Um, yeah, it's a piece, it's so it's a buy-in-this musician who was

448
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basically the world biggest music nerd. That's basically what he was. Um, very talented musician.

449
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I once saw him, I watched a video of him doing what he do, um, and he's just a, just an,

450
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:25,120
nerd, just an absolute, like music nerd. Um, for, you know, different types of instruments and

451
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synthesizers and all this kind of stuff. And I believe, I don't know if it's true, but I believe,

452
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but the folklore anyway, I think, is that this album, tubular bells, he played every instrument on it.

453
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I don't know if that's true. Um, but the idea is, and so it's got this, it opens with this.

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Which is what was also used in the excessist. Um, and it goes off, and it's a big pro-grock

455
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album, basically, where I was interested in following up and see if this is something you have,

456
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like, if you're listening to music, maybe you've got your own close to whatever, or you're sort of

457
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idly looking around, are you seeing images or things popping in for you? Or is it just all about the

458
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the audio? I don't know. Uh, I definitely could have absorbed in the music, and I'm not really

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thinking about images. I can, um, I can see images, and like sometimes like, if something in particular

460
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seems really imagery, like, it can come to mind, but in general, I'm not thinking about images. I'm just

461
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kind of like, uh, I'm usually more feeling the movement of it and kind of moving my body along with

462
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it or shaking or that kind of thing. That's much more my style of listening.

463
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I had one, one last little bit that I wanted to say about things for being late. Um,

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and this is just something that kind of seems like a no-da to me now, but it never occurred to me.

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The usage of fiber optic cable, um, in my, in my head, it was always just either white light or red

466
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light, because that's what I've seen in like a spadef cable. Um, and it never occurred to me that

467
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not only can fiber optic cables transfer pulses of light, but they can do different colors too. That could

468
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be a whole spectrum of colors that could be red, and so you can just get that much more data going

469
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through, because you have multiple layers of, um, of, of data that can transfer through the cable.

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And then they also said that there's something about like, they're either working on or I've already

471
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made ways of shaping the light within the cable, which that's beyond my understanding of what that really

472
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means, but like then that's just a third layer of data that can transfer through the cable. And then you

473
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:07,840
could potentially transfer things that like equivalent to faster than the speed of light, because you're

474
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going, well, not really, but like it's just, it's like, the speed doesn't go faster, but like

475
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the amount that you can take that quickly is just fascinating. Um, I don't really have anything about

476
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:29,920
that, but I just thought that was really crazy. It struck me in the book. I do like, I like how much,

477
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I like how much music and singing we've done in this episode. Yes. I'm very, I'm very happy with that.

478
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And I'm also thinking, I mean, yeah, just sitting with, I've got these headphones, but these are

479
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my work headphones. I don't have AirPods Max, but it would be fun to just sit and look

480
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jewellery it in some music. Um, you know, the stuff I used to, you know, just sat playing records

481
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and not doing anything else. Such a, you know, those are really lovely memories actually. I have

482
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with my family is is, you know, a lazy Sunday, my brothers may be out playing, doing, playing some football

483
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or something and me, my mum and dad, crowding around the record player and, you know, they're bringing

484
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me up to speed with, you know, educating me in terms of what they listen to. And, you know, I can

485
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:37,760
remember the first time I ever heard Bob Marley's Buffalo soldier. Like, I know where I was. And,

486
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,680
and it was, it was one of those, it was one of those moments. And, and all we did, that was the activity.

487
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It wasn't, you know, what do we do as well? It's no, we're listening to records. Music is the point.

488
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,320
Yeah. And discussing it maybe or yeah, or move in, you know, putting on coal,

489
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or whoever it was, you know, kung fu fighting and dancing around, and, you know, and kicking

490
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,280
and playing karate and all those kinds of things, you know, like, it's been, and it's all just inspired by

491
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the music. I mean, I used to roller skate in my front, in my back garden with the radio on.

492
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And make little music videos in my head. Like, as I was going past, and I remember,

493
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my mum and my brother watching me and having no clue what I was doing. Because in my head,

494
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like, I would cycle past and I would do weird motions. You know, in time with the music. And because

495
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I, in my head, I was like, the camera, the camera is where the, the, the, the, the French window,

496
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not French windows, but where the patio doors are. And so I'm doing stuff, but I'm not looking

497
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through the window. Sure. I'm, I've got my back turn, but like, I'm like, yeah, I'm doing all the

498
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,000
thrown all these shapes for the camera that's in my head because I'm making the music video. And I would do

499
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it, well, things like I would peek around and I would, you know, look, I wave my hand. Because in my head,

500
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I've just, I've built the people, like, and then, you know, I realize my brother and my mum are just

501
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,480
watching me. Just what is he to? Because he's not looking like he's no idea where they're. And he's

502
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,040
like, every now and again, he's just sideling up to the window, waving his hand and then going back

503
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against the roller skating back again. What is this mental kid doing? And it was like, my head

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will make it a music video. Play and movement and expression. Expression. Expression for sure.

505
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Just needed the warmth. You know, that was all it was missing.

506
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, I want to do a sing. Yeah, I know, what we, what were you singing when you,

507
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when you, when you popped up midnight rain? It's not rain. I can't get it out of my head.

508
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don't get what I'm gonna get a lesson.