1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,640 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,640 And my name is Bri. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,640 We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,720 Get comfy. 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Hi and welcome back to the We Are More podcast. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,440 I'm Alyssa and this is my sister Bri. 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,280 Hello, you're welcome. 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,520 If you tuned in last time, thank you so much. 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,200 And I hope you enjoyed hearing our stories. 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:02,520 If you didn't, you should go back and listen to that because we're kind of funny. 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Today we are going to be talking about the forgotten women of the Bible. 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,880 We're just going to kind of go into a few of them. 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,160 Let me tell you, there's a shocking amount of them. 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,160 There are a lot. 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,880 I'm looking at that book and that's a big book. 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,480 In my lap is literally a book about every listed woman in the Bible, pretty much. 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,280 And there's just pages upon pages upon pages. 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:28,440 So we're going to talk about a few of them today and why their stories are important. 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:34,400 And I'm sure this will be an ongoing series that we come back to and go in more in depth 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,400 with. 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,320 Yeah, that's a little bit of what we're doing today. 26 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:44,600 So what kind of inspired this for me was today I was listening to a sermon. 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:50,360 I looked up, I don't know if you all have heard of Junia in the Bible. 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,920 If you haven't, she's one that we will definitely touch on if not today soon. 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:02,680 And I wanted to find a sermon on Junia and she, it just didn't exist. 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Like, all of YouTube, there were some, um, like some documentary style pieces. 31 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:17,440 There was one sermon and it was from this church. 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,640 I believe it's called beachfront church in California, which sounds like a beautiful 33 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:22,640 church. 34 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:23,640 It sounds great. 35 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:27,440 Do you think that their windows just all face the ocean? 36 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,440 If they don't, that's a sin. 37 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,880 God's gonna smite them. 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,960 But it was about, and it, you know, I don't think the pastor was necessarily giving like 39 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,680 this strong feminist message or anything like that, but he was just talking about these 40 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,560 women that we don't talk about in the Bible. 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:53,840 And I'm not a crier and I was like tearing up because it was just like, oh my gosh, someone's 42 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,320 talking about them. 43 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,400 I'm hearing the word she in a sermon and that never happens. 44 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,960 We hear about Paul and Abraham and Noah and James and John. 45 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,120 And I mean, every Sunday, how many sermons have you heard on Paul? 46 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,240 I think it's one of those things too, that you don't notice until you start hearing the 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,240 word she. 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,840 And then you're like, that sounds a little abnormal to me in church, in a church setting. 49 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,840 Yeah. 50 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,840 Which is heartbreaking. 51 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,360 She think of how many women are sitting there and they've been erased. 52 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,200 We've been erased. 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,200 So I got emotional. 54 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,240 You know, you can weep if you need to. 55 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,240 In my car, in the pickup line. 56 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,240 It's okay to have an emotional moment. 57 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,240 I cry literally all the time. 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,240 You do. 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Did you cry today yet? 60 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,240 I think we may have even spoken about this in the last podcast. 61 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,240 How much you weepier. 62 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,240 You are weepy. 63 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,360 The baby. 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:57,040 So one of the things that Bree and I talked about is, like I said, how little women are 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,120 spoken about in church. 66 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,640 And we talked a little bit about Mother's Day because Mother's Day is well known as 67 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,960 the one time that you may be here like Mary preached about. 68 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,600 You might hear Eve preached about for a hot minute. 69 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:18,840 But even within that, that it always comes back to men. 70 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:22,800 And it'll be like, well, we'll talk about Mary for a minute. 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,460 But you know, she's not that interesting. 72 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:27,720 So really what we're going to talk about is... 73 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,400 I think they said something along the lines of like, how can men appreciate the women 74 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,520 in their lives or the women in the Bible and how should they respond from a male perspective? 75 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:44,000 And on this woman's story rather than like, let the woman's story shine. 76 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,280 Women are important because they're women. 77 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,360 Or because they are daughters of God. 78 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:57,000 Yeah, it always has to circle back to how can men respond to this instead of just like, 79 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,320 yeah, here's her story. 80 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,320 It was amazing. 81 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,400 Wasn't she amazing? 82 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,400 And leave it at that. 83 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,880 That kind of reminds me of that one church service. 84 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:11,240 And it was the sermon on like Jesus and women and both of us really ten stop. 85 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,720 And all of a sudden we like our shoulders dropped and we like physically you heard like 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:22,080 this sigh of ah, when he didn't say like, oh, because you're a woman, here's what you 87 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,080 have to do here. 88 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,680 There's the rules that you have to obey. 89 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,960 It was like, you're a woman and Jesus loves you and you are amazing and you were created 90 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,040 in the image of God and you are beautiful and wonderful. 91 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Drop the mic. 92 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,040 That's it. 93 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,080 And he was on stage. 94 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:43,040 Literally the end of this message was he kind of said all of those things and he said, and 95 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,880 that's all I want to say. 96 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,280 And then he left. 97 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:51,720 And the congregation you could tell there was like this, you're waiting for a butt. 98 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Yeah, there was an unease because I think anytime women are spoken about, you have to 99 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,520 bring in the power dynamic. 100 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Pastors love to tell women, well, yeah, but you're secondary. 101 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,480 Well, yeah, but he's in charge of you. 102 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,280 Jesus loves you, but submit to your husband. 103 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:10,280 Just not as much. 104 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,640 There's always a like, you're a great butt. 105 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,640 And I think the whole congregation was waiting for that in different ways. 106 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,840 You know, there's people like us that were just absolutely in love with hearing great 107 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:25,880 things about women of the Bible with no caveats. 108 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,880 And then there were people that were sitting there like, hey, you didn't tell women to 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,880 submit this time, right? 110 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,520 My wife is going to lose her mind. 111 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,360 Who's going to make my sandwich? 112 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,360 Ah! 113 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:47,880 Is it, I mean, that's the reality for so many Christian women is your husband is supposed 114 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,880 to be in charge. 115 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,760 He's supposed to be the leader. 116 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,560 And yet you have to treat him like a tiny baby. 117 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,760 It's really annoying and weird. 118 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:04,720 One of the things that the pastor from the beachy church, I don't think you can say that, 119 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,960 the sandy church. 120 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,960 Beach front. 121 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Beachy church. 122 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:15,640 They can't see your facial expressions. 123 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,800 Someday we'll film this and then you can see her face. 124 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,800 It's funny. 125 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,800 My wrinkles. 126 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,840 I don't know that we'll film that close. 127 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:22,840 My haggard appearance. 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,840 Maybe they'll see your increasing gray hairs. 129 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,840 That'll be fun. 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,840 We'll have like a time lapse. 131 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,200 How long does it take before she comes all gray? 132 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,520 Depends on how often you dye your hair. 133 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:44,920 But one of the things that the pastor from the beach front church said at the beginning 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:53,880 of this really lovely message was that we often relegate the stories of women in the 135 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Bible to women's ministry. 136 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:04,040 So we only talk about even the main characters, Ruth and Esther, who have literally their 137 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,980 own books of the Bible. 138 00:08:05,980 --> 00:08:10,120 We don't talk about them in main church. 139 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,880 We maybe talk about them at a women's retreat. 140 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:20,600 We maybe talk about them in a women's Bible study, but we very strictly don't speak about 141 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,040 them in front of men. 142 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,680 And he said, he, I mean, he didn't say that stupid. 143 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,880 I'm saying that stupid. 144 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:33,760 He said, men, the women of the Bible have something to teach you too. 145 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,640 I think that's so critical. 146 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:44,800 You know, like if I have to learn stuff from all the men of the Bible who let me tell you 147 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,440 are not perfect men, like they're not always great. 148 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,840 I hate to break this to you, but they're not all perfect. 149 00:08:53,840 --> 00:09:00,960 Like we were talking about this just a little while ago about Joseph and I want to be honest, 150 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Joseph was really annoying. 151 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,720 If you like really put him into real life experience, like he's your little brother. 152 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,720 He's a menace. 153 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,720 Oh yeah. 154 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,720 He's a menace and a stinker. 155 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,680 His father goes to the rest of his brothers and he's like, I like that one the best. 156 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:20,240 I'll get the rest of you. 157 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,720 I'm going to take you on a shopping spree. 158 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:22,720 I'm going to get you nothing. 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:28,280 I'm going to spend all my money on a fancy coat for my precious little boy. 160 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Like of course they hate him. 161 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:36,400 And then he came to them with his dreams and he's like, you're all going to bow down to 162 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,640 me. 163 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,720 I hate that kid too. 164 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,720 I know. 165 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,000 I'm just thinking of like, if that was our little brother, I would, Brandon, I'm so sorry, 166 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 smack you in the face. 167 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,560 But the thing is like, I think that's okay to say. 168 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:55,200 I'm sure that we're going to get crap for this if people are listening. 169 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,280 I think the story still has value, but I think if you put it in real life context, like make 170 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,400 it feel real to you. 171 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Yeah. 172 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,400 He was a little bit of a stinker. 173 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,800 And again, his brothers, you know, they kind of overreacted. 174 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,800 They did sell him into slavery. 175 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,960 That may have been a slight overreaction. 176 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,560 The little is better. 177 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,120 I've never sold you. 178 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,120 That's a positive. 179 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,120 You're welcome. 180 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Or Brandon. 181 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,560 We don't know where Brandon is. 182 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,200 But I didn't sell him. 183 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,440 But like, I think it's okay to talk about Bible characters because they're not characters. 184 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,360 Like talk about the people of the Bible and the real life reality of their situation. 185 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,760 And Joseph was an annoying little kid. 186 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,180 I mean, that's what he was for a lot of his story. 187 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:49,480 But I can still learn from him to circle this back to the main point. 188 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Bringing it back around. 189 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,760 As women, like we can still learn from him. 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:00,040 So the stories of the women of the Bible and as I'm reading through so many of them, like 191 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,240 they're not all perfect. 192 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,960 There's a lot of stuff in here. 193 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,520 That is not what we're saying. 194 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,800 But men can still learn from their stories. 195 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,160 Perfect, imperfect, whatever it is. 196 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,920 So we have to stop relegating their stories to the five person women's Bible study that 197 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,400 happens on Tuesday nights. 198 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,320 Or a women's retreat where really the goal is embroidery. 199 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,320 No. 200 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,320 I've never been on a women's retreat. 201 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,320 What do they do? 202 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Someone's going to invite you to a women's retreat now. 203 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Pass. 204 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:45,280 So I feel like we should start talking about what two women did you pick, Alyssa? 205 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,840 I really like their names. 206 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,920 So our brother, we have a brother, we've referenced him that we have kept around thus far. 207 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,240 We've kept around who we haven't sold him. 208 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Nope. 209 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,400 Brandon. 210 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:05,200 So Brandon picked up this book for us called All the Women of the Bible. 211 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,200 And first of all, I think that's really cool. 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,640 We've gotten a lot of support from our family in doing this podcast. 213 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,440 And I wasn't sure what the overall reaction would be. 214 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,600 Because we do come from a very conservative background. 215 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,080 Now they haven't listened to it yet. 216 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Well, we haven't posted it yet. 217 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,120 We haven't posted it. 218 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,200 As of right now. 219 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,800 So we'll see how that goes. 220 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,520 But so far, everyone's been really encouraging and helpful. 221 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,680 And I thought it was really sweet of Brandon to get this for us. 222 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:39,720 But it literally start to finish lists every single woman referenced in the Bible, even 223 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,080 if they weren't named. 224 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,120 So like this one is Rebecca's mother. 225 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,080 One of them is the great harlot, which is exciting. 226 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,080 That's my tattoo. 227 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,480 I hate family members. 228 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,400 I actually don't have any tattoos. 229 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,840 Pilots wife, Potiphar's wife, a lot of them are listed as wife or daughter. 230 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,560 They're still in here. 231 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:09,680 Because even though the authors of that part of the text didn't feel the need to name them, 232 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,520 their story was still significant enough to tell. 233 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,520 Exactly. 234 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,240 So I think we'll use this book quite a lot. 235 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,840 It's a really helpful reference. 236 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Thanks Brandy Cakes. 237 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,480 But I picked two women that we wanted to talk about today. 238 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,960 Actually, I've got like a list of like seven. 239 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,600 Yeah, but you get two today. 240 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,600 Oh, what if we what if we are under time? 241 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,600 Can I then go? 242 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,200 Because I'm going to tell a huge story about Deborah. 243 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,440 You are very excited about it. 244 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,440 Big Deb. 245 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:44,920 So the first one I wanted to look at is Pua. 246 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Now not from Moana, Brianna. 247 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,880 Not from Moana. 248 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Oh copyright. 249 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,360 Sorry. 250 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,360 Pua. 251 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:01,520 So if you've never heard of her, that's okay, because I hadn't heard of her until we were 252 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,360 downstairs eating tacos and I was researching for this. 253 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:14,320 But she along with another woman named Shifra, and if I am butchering these pronunciations, 254 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,400 someone who speaks ancient Aramaic will have to come yell at me. 255 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,000 I like that word Aramaic. 256 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Thank you. 257 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Wow. 258 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000 I took a Bible class once. 259 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000 You are very learned. 260 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Thank you. 261 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:34,440 So anyway, these two women, they were Hebrew midwives in Egypt, right around when Moses 262 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,140 was about to be born. 263 00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:43,080 And so the Pharaoh at the time, if you don't know the story, had basically said, all right, 264 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,440 we're going to kill all of the Hebrew baby boys. 265 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,880 And I hate, I literally hate even saying that. 266 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:56,320 I have a little boy and it just shatters everything in my soul to put that into reality and think 267 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,600 of what these mothers and fathers were dealing with. 268 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,720 Yeah, making the Bible real too is a little bit traumatizing. 269 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,320 It is, especially, I mean, the early Bible, the Old Testament is rough. 270 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,320 So anyway, they were midwives. 271 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,880 And the Pharaoh had ordered all of the Hebrew baby boys killed. 272 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:20,840 And so what he ordered specifically Pua and Shephara to do, because they were midwives, 273 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:27,560 he said, all right, when you get there, when the mom is having the baby, look at it first. 274 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,920 And if it's a boy, kill it. 275 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,080 And if it's a girl, let it live. 276 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,880 And I mean, first of all, can you imagine getting that order from the Pharaoh? 277 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,780 I mean, this is the king, like you got to be scared of him, right? 278 00:15:38,780 --> 00:15:43,680 These midwives, I can't imagine the midwives are being called to Pharaoh a whole lot. 279 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:48,720 Their whole job is to bring babies into the world and he's telling them to take them out. 280 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:49,720 That's insane. 281 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Well, and they're Hebrew, so they're already like in slavery. 282 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,480 They're already dealing with all that. 283 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,480 And now what? 284 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:04,340 And I mean, you got to think too, if you do what Pharaoh says, maybe he'll give you money. 285 00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:06,600 Maybe he'll free your family. 286 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,660 So there's a lot of conflict there. 287 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:14,160 But what these two women did was basically, basically not do it. 288 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,700 They believed in God. 289 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:16,700 They wanted to follow God. 290 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:18,900 And they said, we're not doing this. 291 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,880 We know that God's promises are on their way. 292 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,520 So we're not doing this. 293 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,120 And Pharaoh caught on, as you do. 294 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,720 He heard it through the great by? 295 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,720 He did, probably. 296 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:31,720 I won't sing that song either. 297 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Please don't. 298 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,720 Copyright. 299 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:42,760 And he called them again and he was like, Hey, what's going on? 300 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Baby boy just run down the street. 301 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,540 I thought I told you. 302 00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:50,280 And they said, I love this lie. 303 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Okay. 304 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,860 So the lie that they came up with and I want, did they plan it? 305 00:16:54,860 --> 00:17:00,920 Was this just obviously not, was like, words are coming out of my mouth and there's no 306 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:01,920 filter. 307 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,900 And they said, no, no, no, Pharaoh, you don't understand these Hebrew women, they're built 308 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:07,900 different. 309 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:10,060 We get there. 310 00:17:10,060 --> 00:17:13,240 Baby's already shot out. 311 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,240 One good person. 312 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,240 Whoa. 313 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,960 The Egyptian women, it takes them all day, but the Hebrew women, they're strong. 314 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,320 They just push them out. 315 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,560 And the Bible doesn't say how Pharaoh responded to that. 316 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,120 Like, I mean, he was a man. 317 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:30,760 He, at this time, men were not present for birth. 318 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,440 Maybe he didn't know. 319 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,800 He didn't know where they came from. 320 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,800 Maybe not. 321 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:40,600 So it doesn't say how Pharaoh reacted to that, but he didn't kill them. 322 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,320 He didn't quite catch on. 323 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:48,160 No, he, so they, you know, went their own way and God blessed them and gave them families 324 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,160 of their own. 325 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,960 Now that didn't fix the whole situation. 326 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:56,520 Pharaoh still went after the baby boys again and successfully the next time, unfortunately. 327 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:03,320 But I thought that this story was so impactful because so much of the Old Testament is death. 328 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,320 So much death. 329 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,120 And a lot of names I can't pronounce. 330 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,280 Yeah, that's in the New Testament too. 331 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,560 But these women brought life. 332 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,640 They literally potentially saved the Hebrew population. 333 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:27,960 Like, when you really pull it into context, if they hadn't done what they did, potentially 334 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,720 an entire generation of Jewish men would not have existed, which leads to King David, which 335 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,620 leads to Jesus. 336 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:46,160 So what they did is save God's people so that Jesus could be born and save humanity. 337 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,160 Right. 338 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Oh, Pua. 339 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,160 And Shifra. 340 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,600 We can't forget her. 341 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Oh, Shifra. 342 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,600 She's important too. 343 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,200 But Pua is more fun to say. 344 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,480 And if you're wondering where this is in the Bible, because I think it's important to references, 345 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,640 it's Exodus 1, 15 through 21. 346 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,680 And they are named, both of them are named, which I think is very cool. 347 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,680 They're just so impactful. 348 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,120 And I literally had never heard of these women before. 349 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,600 I literally did not know that Pua was a biblical name. 350 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:23,720 Okay, you know in Beth Allison's, Beth Allison Bar's book, where she's talking about the 351 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,480 surrounded by a cloud of female witnesses, you're always going to have a Pua by you. 352 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:37,760 Surrounded by a cloud of female witnesses, including Pua. 353 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:43,920 I just think it's really cool to like bring light to these women that, I mean, how, if 354 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,840 you pulled the whole world right now, there's somebody talking about Paul in the whole world. 355 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,320 There's somebody talking about Peter James John, Matthew. 356 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Exactly. 357 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Yeah. 358 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,680 How many people are talking about these women? 359 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,680 Definitely not Pua. 360 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,400 You have to get over the name. 361 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,680 Let's just take a minute and thank Pua. 362 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,280 And Shifra. 363 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,040 It's just an incredible impact. 364 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:15,080 And I think you could do a whole sermon, even though it's six verses. 365 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,440 It's not a lot. 366 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,160 People have done a sermon on a lot less, I would say. 367 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,640 Do you want me to do my other woman before you do Debra? 368 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Well, I think Debra is going to take us out with a bang. 369 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,960 So maybe you should just start. 370 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,960 Or maybe. 371 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,960 They're right. 372 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,960 That's going to say take us out with a ten stake. 373 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,960 But it wasn't even Debra. 374 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,840 It wasn't Debra, but it was a bang. 375 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,840 We're going out with a hammer. 376 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:51,640 Alright, so the next woman I have affectionately named Salami. 377 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,480 I think it's pronounced Sal-o-me. 378 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,320 But I'm going to be honest, I don't know. 379 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,400 But I'm going to be honest, I'm more accustomed to Salami. 380 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,400 Alright, Salami it is. 381 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,040 Again, the people that speak Aramaic, they can come for us. 382 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,000 You're so learned. 383 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Brie, if only you had gone to chapel in college like four times. 384 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,280 I took a religion class. 385 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,280 I do not remember Pula. 386 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,280 I had to take four. 387 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,280 Pula was not in our religion class. 388 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,280 I think I took four. 389 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,280 We had to take biblical hermeneutics. 390 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,280 I don't even know. 391 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Is that anything to do with the harmonica? 392 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Yeah. 393 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,280 We just played the harmonica and said biblical over and over. 394 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,280 And hymns. 395 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,280 And hymns. 396 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:37,280 Old testament and new testament. 397 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Oh, there was another one too. 398 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,800 I don't remember what it was. 399 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,800 You guys were a little bit more religious than me. 400 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,800 Yeah, like two whole years more religious. 401 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Anyway, so Salami. 402 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,360 She was the wife of Zebedee. 403 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:04,760 She was also the mother of James and John who were some of the disciples. 404 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,280 And it's thought that she might have been the sister of Mary, Jesus' mother. 405 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,300 I think that's unconfirmed, but it's kind of a theory. 406 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:17,960 So she may have also been Jesus' aunt. 407 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,880 So we'll talk about this a lot over time, but there was a group of women that followed 408 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,440 Jesus along with the disciples. 409 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,200 Like came with him everywhere he went. 410 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Climbed up the mountains, got in the boats, sat in the crowd while he was preaching, all 411 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,280 the stuff. 412 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,720 And that, learning that on its own was like world changing for me. 413 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Yeah. 414 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,880 Oh yeah, groundbreaking. 415 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,480 Because that's just never ever spoken about. 416 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,680 I'm just thinking about like the philanographs at church. 417 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,320 And you just have your 12 disciples in your mind. 418 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,680 That's what's like my internal picture. 419 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Yeah. 420 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,840 But there were a lot of women and they're talked about in the Bible. 421 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,840 It's not like they were making this up or they've disappeared or anything. 422 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,960 They're definitely in the Bible and spoken about. 423 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,920 And she was one of them. 424 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:18,600 So imagine her walking alongside, you know, as Jesus is feeding the 5,000 in the Garden 425 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,960 of Gethsemane and you know, all these major moments. 426 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,600 Women are there too. 427 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,280 I think that's really cool. 428 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,920 She also helped Mary Magdalene bring spices to the tomb of Jesus. 429 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,920 She was there when Jesus returned after he had died. 430 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,640 And he told these women like, hey, I'm back. 431 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960 Guess who's back? 432 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,400 I'm sure you can't do that. 433 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:54,080 And so she also went to the male disciples and told them what they had seen. 434 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,280 And of course, as the story goes, they didn't believe them and just had to come back and 435 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,280 prove it. 436 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,760 But I think she's super interesting. 437 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,840 Her character is really interesting because she went to Jesus and I had always heard this 438 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:17,520 story told as James and John went to Jesus and said, hey, we want to sit at your right 439 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,720 and left hand sides in heaven. 440 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,320 Turns out it was her. 441 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,080 She was being told. 442 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920 She was a mom. 443 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,920 Now you can fault her for that for sure. 444 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,920 She was being human. 445 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:39,080 She was being human and she was going to Jesus whose message like she was trying to understand 446 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,800 but you have to remember that like, this is all very new to them. 447 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,880 Jesus' ministry wasn't that long. 448 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,000 So this is very new to them still. 449 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,320 And she wants the best for her kids. 450 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,400 And so she goes up to them and she says, hey, can they sit on your left and right side? 451 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,960 And I just picture them like hiding behind her like clothes, like peeking around. 452 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,520 We're like, Jesus, can we please? 453 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,520 Mom said. 454 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,360 Someone's going to get mad at you for that. 455 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,360 It's okay. 456 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,080 But that's just sort of, you know, you bring humanity into it. 457 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,880 And that's what I picture is just like, they're kind of standing cowering behind her because 458 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,880 they want this question to be asked. 459 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,920 So they asked their mom to do it. 460 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:29,720 But also that shows the incredible faith that she had for Jesus. 461 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,400 Not knowing all of the stuff that like we know, but now and what he's gone through and 462 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,880 whatever like she believed he's going to be up there in heaven. 463 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,520 And I want my kids to be up there too. 464 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Well, and think about, you know, when Jesus went in and chose his disciples, we kind of 465 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,120 picture him just like walking around town pointing at people and be like, you and you 466 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:52,560 and you and he picked both of her sons. 467 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,360 Now I don't know how many kids she has. 468 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:59,920 It doesn't say, but Jesus was going to take two of her sons with him. 469 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:05,080 And instead of being like, ah, that's a bummer or well, good luck. 470 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,640 Here's a packed lunch. 471 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,520 She picked up her life. 472 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,200 She's like me too. 473 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840 She said, bye friends, bye house. 474 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,280 I'm going to go live a pauper's life and follow around this guy that I don't know a whole 475 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,280 lot about. 476 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,280 That's incredible. 477 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,280 That's incredible. 478 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:29,440 And to do that as a woman who was not going to be appreciated for it, not going to be 479 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,840 celebrated for it. 480 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,320 She's not going to have her own book of the Bible. 481 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,280 No, I mean, her name isn't known. 482 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,280 For some people it is. 483 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,040 I'm not saying no one's ever heard of her, but I think a lot of people have heard the 484 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,040 name Salami. 485 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Yes. 486 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,160 It goes good with a charcuterie board. 487 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,160 Remakes of my Salami Rose. 488 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,160 Yes. 489 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,160 I've seen a TikTok. 490 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,160 Proud of you. 491 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,160 And I just think that's really cool. 492 00:26:53,160 --> 00:27:00,120 I think she is one of many of the women that followed Jesus around faithfully with the 493 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:05,680 disciples with Jesus and that Jesus valued just as much because he wouldn't have let 494 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,680 them come along. 495 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,400 He would have said, no, you stay. 496 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,720 You can do work here. 497 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,720 You know, whatever. 498 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,720 You can stay here. 499 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,720 They didn't do that. 500 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720 Your job is best at home. 501 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Right. 502 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Like that was never said to these women. 503 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,720 No, it was like, come follow me. 504 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,720 I'll teach you how to be fishers of men. 505 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,720 And women. 506 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,720 And women. 507 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,720 And I wish that I was a fisher of men. 508 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,720 In a different context. 509 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,720 All right. 510 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,720 That's all I have. 511 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,720 I have a, like I said, I have a list of seven other women so we can go into them later. 512 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,720 Let's hear about Deb. 513 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:51,720 Let's hear about the story of Big Debra. 514 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,120 So Debra, I just thought was really funny because I never really thought about it as 515 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,640 a biblical name. 516 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Like Debbie. 517 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,120 Debbie doesn't sound biblical to me. 518 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,640 I'm gonna guess no one ever called her Debbie. 519 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,360 I am now. 520 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,360 Debra and JL. 521 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:16,200 You can find their stories in Judges chapters four and five. 522 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,400 But pretty much, have you ever heard of like the Gen Z version of the Bible that's been 523 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,400 going around right now? 524 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,400 They have their own version? 525 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400 I want a version. 526 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,400 Yeah. 527 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,400 But with their slang words. 528 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,400 Oh no. 529 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,400 Essentially, it's what I created here. 530 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,400 So let's get into it. 531 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,400 The beginning. 532 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Okay. 533 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,240 The Israelites are crying out to the Lord for help. 534 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,240 They're saying help us. 535 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,240 We want to be free. 536 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,240 Help us. 537 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:51,640 Debra was leading the Israelites at the time between Ramah and Bethel who were two men. 538 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,000 So I think it's pretty significant that she was up there also leading Israel. 539 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Also in the middle. 540 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000 In the middle. 541 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Yeah sandwiched in between. 542 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,560 But like the middle is kind of the most important if you think of thrones. 543 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,560 You put the king in the middle. 544 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,240 The queen and the princess on the side. 545 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,240 They're so right. 546 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,240 Sorry. 547 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240 Get back into your Gen Z flow. 548 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,240 Let me get back into this flow. 549 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,320 Ramah means hill or height and Bethel means house of God. 550 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Debra means bee like a buzz buzz. 551 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,400 Like she's putting in the work. 552 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,400 You go, Deb. 553 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Debra was a judge. 554 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,040 So the Israelites would go to her to have their disputes reconciled and taken care of 555 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,040 whatever. 556 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,360 But Debra was also I believe like a prophet. 557 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:48,460 So she was trying to set Israel free from the Canaanites. 558 00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:51,560 So she told this guy Barak, not our president. 559 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,360 It's not currently our president anyway. 560 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Different Barak. 561 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,920 But she said the Lord said to take an army up to Mount Tabor. 562 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,920 Tabor? 563 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,920 Tabor? 564 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,880 Girl do I look like I speak all the languages? 565 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,760 And keep saying something about Aramaic. 566 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,760 I don't know. 567 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,320 We'll title this episode Aramaic. 568 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Take the army up to Mount Tabor and shoalade the enemy to him or something along those 569 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,600 lines and that will help set the Israelites free. 570 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,200 But this guy Barak was like pass. 571 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Thank you. 572 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,600 He's like I'll go if you go Bee but I also won't go if you don't go. 573 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,600 That's what the Bible says. 574 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,360 The Bible says that word for word? 575 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,200 Go but similar. 576 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,640 So she said fine I'll go but because you're not trusting God the way that you should the 577 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,520 honor of this will not be yours. 578 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,200 It will actually be to a woman. 579 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,400 And so Barak was like bet. 580 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,720 No, no, no. 581 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,720 You're a millennial. 582 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,720 Stop that. 583 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:08,920 So Barak went into battle with 10,000 men and most likely also women. 584 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,200 And Deborah, our main bee, was right alongside him. 585 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,200 She was a warrior. 586 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Proud of her. 587 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,200 Yes. 588 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:23,360 And in chapter 4 verse 14 it said then Deborah said to Barak go this is the day the Lord has 589 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,360 given you. 590 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,360 Go. 591 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,360 Yeah. 592 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:32,400 She says some other things too but Barak's like okay so lots of events happen. 593 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,400 There's lots of names. 594 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,400 Judges are unclear to me. 595 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,040 It's just full of a lot of names. 596 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:42,480 But Barak was pursuing the enemy and he was taking them out with the Lord's help obviously 597 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800 but there's one guy named Sisera. 598 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,440 Um Alyssa you looked it up. 599 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,320 It was Sisera is the Suppliant Commander. 600 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,800 Yes for the Canaanite army. 601 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,680 I don't know 100% what that means. 602 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Okay. 603 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,000 For the Canaanite army. 604 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,920 So he ran off on foot and he stumbles upon Jayel's tent. 605 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,720 Also a woman. 606 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,920 Also a woman. 607 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,560 And she was the wife of Heber the Canite. 608 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,560 Okay here's where I have no idea what I'm saying with the names. 609 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,480 Who can pronounce those? 610 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,080 But there were some kind of alliance between him and that family so he felt safe with Jayel 611 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,720 and he's like hide me woman! 612 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,640 And so she's like come in here come be safe I will hide you. 613 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,240 And then she like hides him under this blanket. 614 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,240 She's like be safe. 615 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,240 Tap tap. 616 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,560 And he's like okay woman I'm thirsty! 617 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,760 I've been fighting all day! 618 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,680 Get me some drink wench! 619 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,160 So she gets him a drink and then she tucks him back safely under the blanket and gives 620 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,520 him a little pat pat you're safe! 621 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,520 And he's like go and guard the door! 622 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,520 Guard the door! 623 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,520 Obviously. 624 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Because I'm scared! 625 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,040 And she's like don't worry about it. 626 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,120 He's like if anyone asks if like I'm around here tell them I'm not here. 627 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,600 Lie to them. 628 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,680 And she's like okay I will wink wink like a big wink. 629 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,680 And he falls asleep. 630 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,680 Of course he did. 631 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,680 He's an idiot. 632 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,320 He's an idiot and he could probably pass out anywhere. 633 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:23,280 And meanwhile he's sleeping she grabs a tent stake and a hammer and she thump thump thump 634 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,440 drives it into his temple and kills him. 635 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120 Did he wake up halfway through this? 636 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,240 Girl I don't know the bible doesn't say that but it does say a hammer and a tent stake. 637 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,240 Imagine that. 638 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,240 No thank you. 639 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,720 And so then Barak comes back around and he's like hey have you seen Cicero? 640 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,920 And she's like oh you know what I think I did see him. 641 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360 Come over here I think I'll bring you to him come here. 642 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280 And they go into her tent and he's there with a tent stake. 643 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,280 I choked. 644 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,280 In his head! 645 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,280 Ow! 646 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,960 I just want to understand. 647 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,000 She didn't feel the need to explain to Barak that like yeah I murdered him he did. 648 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,560 You'd think she would be all like high on energy or something. 649 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Nope she's chill. 650 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,320 She's like oh yeah I'll show you to her. 651 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,520 This is at least the fifth person she's staked. 652 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,640 She was actually a serial killer. 653 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:24,520 But then so yay JL killed that guy and that ultimately led to liberation of Israel from 654 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,520 the Canaanites. 655 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:34,720 And at the end in chapter 5 Deborah, big Deb our main B, and Barak celebrate in a big musical 656 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,320 number. 657 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,400 The bible's big on musical numbers. 658 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,040 Lots of musical numbers. 659 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440 And that's the story of Deborah and JL. 660 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560 When we get to heaven can we ask them to perform it for us? 661 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,560 Can you do the play? 662 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,560 Please? 663 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,560 We'd like to see it. 664 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,560 Do you have that tent stake with you? 665 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,360 Didn't you say too that it's like one of the hymns? 666 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,560 Oh when I was reading because you said that it ended in some kind of song so I'm like 667 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,840 looking for this song before I got to chapter 5 obviously where it's nothing but a song. 668 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:13,200 But in verse 14 when she's like go this is the day that the Lord has given you it reminded 669 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,120 me of the hymn like this is the day that the Lord has made I will rejoice and be glad in 670 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,120 it buddy. 671 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,120 But how cool. 672 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,120 How cool. 673 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,120 Their story is very cool. 674 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,120 I mean you think about the women that are preached about and they are not preached as 675 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:34,160 like warriors and strong fighters, killers, judges like they are intense. 676 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,160 But women in churches now are told to be like mild mannered and soft and mean. 677 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,240 But that's obviously not what God is calling us to be. 678 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:46,320 Well it's not. 679 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,140 I mean I read a lot of these women and I'll read more. 680 00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:57,520 Not one of them that was celebrated was quiet, mild mannered, just serving her husband and 681 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,520 doing nothing else. 682 00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,520 Staying in her lane. 683 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,760 None of them. 684 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,980 They were strong and honestly even culturally they had to be strong. 685 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:12,320 It was a patriarchal society but they were going through some stuff. 686 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,520 They were putting in the work. 687 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,080 And you look at these women and why had we never heard of them? 688 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:24,160 Just like reading her story I could just like hear all of like the drumbeats of the war 689 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,320 and all of that and I'm like wow these are powerful women and I did not know this story 690 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,320 before. 691 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,240 Well think about like you said that pastors have done sermons on less than six verses. 692 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:42,200 This isn't six verses this is like a full chapter, two chapters in Judges and I mean 693 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:48,240 I would guess that a huge part of our audience would have never heard of either of these 694 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,240 women. 695 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,480 Well maybe the pastors aren't putting it in their sermons because they can't pronounce 696 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,160 all the names that are mentioned. 697 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,440 That's because I edited out almost all of them. 698 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,600 Deborah is pretty easy. 699 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,400 Big Deb. 700 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,640 Big Deb. 701 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,640 They could just start calling her Debbie and then it would be fine. 702 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,600 They'd be like oh yeah we have a Debbie in our congregation. 703 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,120 And she's right over there. 704 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:19,040 Debbie's like this isn't about me. 705 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:27,000 Even like we said the major women of the Bible you hear so rarely about and people like Bathsheba 706 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,600 you'll hear her mentioned in David's story. 707 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:40,080 She's like a side character and she's we'll do a whole thing on her because I have words. 708 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,120 She's treated like I have words. 709 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,720 Yeah we're on a podcast you have nothing but words. 710 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,320 I have a lot of words. 711 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,840 But she's treated pretty badly in history. 712 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,320 I mean really she's treated like she's the one that screwed up David's life and without 713 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,600 her he would have been just fine when really that's not at all the story. 714 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,720 And we said we'll come to that. 715 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:11,280 But as Bathsheba's life went on she had huge influence. 716 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:18,040 Like she ruled alongside David and had major influence over the Israeli people. 717 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,720 We're not talking about that. 718 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,200 That's not even part of her story that we reference. 719 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,840 I hate that. 720 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:35,120 Because she turned really a very tragic life into power, authority, influence for God. 721 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,440 She took those lemons and she said I'm making sorbet. 722 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,240 Yes in the desert she made some of that. 723 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,120 Can you imagine how delicious that would be? 724 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,120 In the desert? 725 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,120 Yeah. 726 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,120 She made sorbet. 727 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:57,400 But I think we just need to talk about these women whether they're powerful and strong 728 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,520 and warriors or whether they are... 729 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,120 Like we talked earlier about Lot's wife. 730 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:09,880 She's held up as very much the... if you don't know the story of Lot and his wife, Lot was 731 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,960 living in Sodom and Gomorrah. 732 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Which was this horrible sinful town, right? 733 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,720 And I don't know what they were doing. 734 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,920 I don't wanna know. 735 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,920 Bad stuff. 736 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,920 Think about that like island in Pinocchio. 737 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,920 I assume. 738 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,920 Lot worse. 739 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,360 And Lot came... 740 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,360 I read about this today. 741 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,920 Lot came from somewhere else into Sodom and Gomorrah. 742 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,560 So he wasn't... that's not where his family was, that's not where his home was. 743 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,560 But Lot's wife was from that. 744 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,560 That's where she grew up. 745 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,560 That's where her family was. 746 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,080 That's where her whole life was, right? 747 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,200 And God told Lot I'm going to destroy this city. 748 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,200 It's so sinful. 749 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,840 I'm going to destroy it. 750 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,880 Much like the flood. 751 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,880 Old testament is rough. 752 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,880 Wrathful God. 753 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,040 Let's take it out. 754 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,600 And so they flee. 755 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,180 And God tells them don't look back. 756 00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:13,200 She does. 757 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,560 And so she gets turned into a pillar of salt. 758 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,760 Which is a unique punishment. 759 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,520 I'm thinking Anna from Frozen but salt. 760 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:29,280 You know we hold her up as this pillar of sin. 761 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,920 Of sin and not having faith in God, right? 762 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,720 Again, we just take all... that takes the humanity out of it. 763 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,080 She was a person. 764 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:48,160 She did not grow up believing in the Israelite God. 765 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160 We don't know what her religious situation was. 766 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:58,840 The Israelite God wouldn't have been as impactful to her as it would be for someone like Lot. 767 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,440 And who actually was a terrible person in general. 768 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,120 But of course she looked back. 769 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,120 Her whole family. 770 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,120 Her whole family. 771 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,120 Her whole life. 772 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,480 Of course she looked back. 773 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,480 And was that sinful? 774 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,480 Sure. 775 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,480 Did she get punished for it? 776 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,480 Obviously. 777 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,400 She was a person. 778 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:27,040 And we really like to especially take women and any flaws that they have, turn them into 779 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040 villains in the Bible. 780 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,040 Magnify it. 781 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,040 Yeah. 782 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,040 I mean look at Bathsheba. 783 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,080 Look at her. 784 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,600 Look at Job's wife. 785 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,200 We just... we don't do it to the men. 786 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,400 We like to forget about their sins and to forgive them. 787 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,100 But the women we eternally punish. 788 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:48,100 So we'll talk about them. 789 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,100 We'll talk about their stories. 790 00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:50,100 Yeah. 791 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:52,800 And I think putting it into real life context. 792 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,920 Like you said, that was her home. 793 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,920 That she grew up in her whole life. 794 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,920 Her family. 795 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,740 Think about that in your situation. 796 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:05,080 Your home with all your pictures and all your memories and all your kids and all your family 797 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,200 members. 798 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,440 And it's being destroyed. 799 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,440 Would you look back? 800 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,120 And I mean the story doesn't say the woman stopped, turned, and ran back towards the 801 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,560 flames. 802 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,000 She just glanced over her shoulder. 803 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,520 Probably with tears in her eyes. 804 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,520 She's terrified. 805 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,520 Right. 806 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,840 And she became soaked. 807 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,600 So yeah, moving forward, let us know what kind of women in the Bible that you want to 808 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,080 know about. 809 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,480 Some people or stories that you're interested in. 810 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,640 Remember we're learning alongside you. 811 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,640 So give us grace. 812 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,640 Give us grace. 813 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,580 That's the M 814 00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:47,580 That was song. 815 00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:48,580 I made that one up. 816 00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:49,580 But this has been fun. 817 00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:50,580 I've really liked looking into these ones. 818 00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:51,580 Yeah. 819 00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:52,580 You can pretend that this is a women's retreat if you want. 820 00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:53,580 We can embroider. 821 00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:54,580 I think it's gotten too late at night. 822 00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:55,580 Guys, it's 842 and that's 42 minutes. 823 00:42:55,580 --> 00:43:07,760 Past our bedtime. 824 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,760 So after this, Bree's going to do some embroidery. 825 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,760 Then we're going to go to bed. 826 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,760 Love you. 827 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:26,480 Bye.