DeadWood intro: Hal's got words I guess when it starts pissing raining here, you know who to blame, huh?
DeadWood intro: Now I know words circulate.
DeadWood intro: Indians kill the family on the spearfish road.
DeadWood intro: Now it's not for me to tell anyone in this camp what to do
DeadWood intro: Much as I don't want more people getting their throats cut, their scalp lifted, or any other godless thing that these godless, bloodthirsty heathens do, or even if someone wants to ride out in darkest night
DeadWood intro: But I will tell you this.
DeadWood intro: I use tonight to get myself organized.
DeadWood intro: Right out in the morning.
DeadWood intro: Clear-headed.
DeadWood intro: And starting tomorrow morning, I will offer a personal $50 bounty for every decapitated heading with as many of these godless heathen cocksuckers as anyone can bring in tomorrow with no upper limit.
DeadWood intro: That's all I say on that subject, except Nat's rounds on the house.
DeadWood intro: God rest the souls of that poor family.
DeadWood intro: And pussy's half price next fifteen minutes.
DeadWood intro: Okay, ladies, let's go!
DeadWood intro: She must have done some fancy fucking to keep Al from killing her.
DeadWood intro: Where's Bill Hicko?
DeadWood intro: Where's Charlie?
DeadWood intro: Give me a drink.
DeadWood intro: It's all right, Al.
DeadWood intro: I know you got a lot on your mind.
DeadWood intro: That was one hell of a good talk.
DeadWood intro: Look, you got everybody back at the tables.
DeadWood intro: Doing what they do.
DeadWood intro: Tell you the truth.
DeadWood intro: For murdering people on the road to Spearfish, my money would be on persimmon fill.
DeadWood intro: Make it look like index.
DeadWood intro: That is his speciality.
DeadWood intro: Hey, is it true?
DeadWood intro: Engines killing white people?
DeadWood intro: That's the sewer mouth that follows Hitcock around.
DeadWood intro: Why are we standing here?
DeadWood intro: Ride it out tomorrow, daybreak.
DeadWood intro: Oh real tomorrow.
DeadWood intro: What's your fucking russ
DeadWood intro: I'm going now.
DeadWood intro: He was that bill.
DeadWood intro: He was that church
DeadWood intro: I know the rogue spearfish, and I don't drink where I'm the only fucking one with balls.
And you dig it.
Every time you go to bar, the bar's got somebody who thinks he's as tough as a nickel steak.
But they all come to speed for the go-ray me.
We brothers and we friends.
My little brother was 15 years old.
Think about that.
You're winning, you know.
How about cutting heads?
Oh I get it.
You want some kind of contest, huh?
You're a real smart boy.
I guess maybe you'll have to kill me.
It'll hurt if I do.
Well.
Looks like I finally ran into someone that likes to play as rough as I do.
Yeah.
This must be a lucky night.
My bodies, they not nice like me.
We supposed to say thanks.
You're not supposed to say nothing.
So yeah
Gary Hill: Hello folks, once again, it's been a long time, but this is the last call of Torchy's.
Gary Hill: I am one of your hosts, Cocksucker, Gary Hill.
Gary Hill: With me as usual is cocksucker.
Gary Hill: Lee Russell, how you doing, sir?
Lee Russell: uh damp palms running my family, I guess.
Lee Russell: Um I don't know what that means, but uh yeah I'm doing all right.
Lee Russell: It's it's it's been a little while, but you know, we've we finally uh circled around and we're back and uh
Lee Russell: We're in a dusty little uh boom town full of uh scum and villainy and uh people looking to make their fortune and uh a lot of people swear a lot
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Wouldn't you know what cocksucker camera scots are too?
Gary Hill: How you doing, man?
Cameron Scott: I I prefer the the term cocksucker number three.
Cameron Scott: Thank you.
Cameron Scott: I'm doing good though.
Cameron Scott: Excited to get my boots a little muddy and uh my guns out of the holsters.
Gary Hill: Nice, nice, nice.
Gary Hill: Yeah, been a long time, but yeah, if you guys didn't want to wear
Gary Hill: This is a show we do when we can get to it.
Gary Hill: Uh all about Walter Hill's filmography, um, directing work so far.
Gary Hill: We there's more to explore in writing and stuff, but um
Gary Hill: Next up in the in the in the in the till here, if you will, is um the Deadwood pilot, which he uh was the director on and the right and uh consulting producer on.
Gary Hill: And um yeah, this stars a whole lot of people that you may know.
Gary Hill: Um remember three years, but Walter Hill out of and uh the pr the the the pilot and that's that's about it as far as uh that goes.
Lee Russell: Yeah, I I think he's just, you know, after that he's just kind of like producer, kind of like tangenally connected to it kind of thing.
Lee Russell: Um it might even just be like uh an alien situation where it's like my name's on all of this and I'm gonna get paid for it even if I don't do shit.
Cameron Scott: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: Well associated by proxy
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Gary Hill: That is the way to go.
Lee Russell: Yeah, yeah.
Gary Hill: Oh boy.
Gary Hill: Yeah, your your principles in in the pilot, you know, 'cause it's it's just a lot to explore and I think lay it out pretty well in in the pilot.
Gary Hill: Um, Timothy Olivant is Seth Bullock.
Gary Hill: Ian McShane is uh the Dazer Lee Al Swearing is Al Al Sweringen
Gary Hill: Uh Molly Parton.
Gary Hill: Molly Park Molly Parton.
Gary Hill: Molly Parker as Alma Garrett.
Gary Hill: My words escaped me.
Gary Hill: WRL B round, you know, from much things.
Gary Hill: Um most folks that know him from Scream.
Gary Hill: as Dan Doherty, your your local bartender.
Gary Hill: Uh Brad Doruf as Doc Cochran.
Gary Hill: John Hawkes um a soul star.
Gary Hill: Now you know this actor.
Gary Hill: Um
Gary Hill: From a lot of things, but I think uh prominently displayed in from Dust Till Dawn as is the gift prior to Benny's World of Liquor or Benny's World of Blood, whatever they call it, you know?
Gary Hill: Um great great conversations there.
Gary Hill: Uh you're gonna continue Dayton Kelly mentioned last time on the dispute episode.
Gary Hill: Uh plays ch Place Charlie Utter.
Gary Hill: Uh Leon Rippey, you can, and the face you should know.
Gary Hill: Leanne Rippe shows up in so many things as Tom Nettle.
Gary Hill: William Sanderson is E.
Gary Hill: V.
Gary Hill: Farden, the guy that owns the hotel.
Gary Hill: Robin Wilgert as he is.
Gary Hill: Yes indeed.
Gary Hill: Robin Wilgert as Calamity Jane and we'll talk about that because I think it's pretty pretty spectacular.
Gary Hill: There's there's more folks in here, but a lot of folks show up later.
Gary Hill: Jeffrey Jones will we'll mention him because I like his acting work.
Gary Hill: I don't like his his his quirks, if you will
Gary Hill: But uh unfortunately but uh shows up and shows out and stuff like this all the time though.
Gary Hill: And he does a good job.
Cameron Scott: That's all I'll say about it.
Gary Hill: He does a good job, yeah.
Gary Hill: I can still enjoy his work.
Gary Hill: And um and as in I guess uh a five episode arc it's been a while since I watched these, um Keith Carradine as as wild Bill Hickcock and this uh this pilot
Gary Hill: um shows up in this and I I gotta mention him because he shows up for a hot second.
Gary Hill: Uh Blue Island's own, Illinois' own uh South Suburb guy, Mike Haggerty, who you've seen in many, many things
Gary Hill: shows up as a guy who's screaming at a wagon that they give a uh a chamber pot to.
Lee Russell: Oh yeah.
Gary Hill: I just love the Mike Caggery shows up in this.
Gary Hill: So it just
Gary Hill: It's a series of of people who shows up in this thing that makes me so happy.
Gary Hill: But um I'll kick it to Cam burst.
Gary Hill: Um
Cameron Scott: Well, I have to thank my mother for introducing me to this.
Cameron Scott: I was living on my own.
Cameron Scott: far away from home and she sent it to me burnt on CD or on uh video disc.
Cameron Scott: And I was just like, what is this fucking series?
Cameron Scott: And she sent me season two first and I was just like, I was fucking lost.
Cameron Scott: But I finally saw season one and this is you know no surprise.
Cameron Scott: This is my favorite TV show of all time.
Cameron Scott: Literally my favorite TV show.
Cameron Scott: They could have given us 18 seasons of this and I'd have been happy.
Cameron Scott: Never have I seen a Western series and I love Westerns.
Cameron Scott: portrayed such as this.
Cameron Scott: I mean, like just down, dirty.
Cameron Scott: I mean the closest was uh you know Walter Hill's uh Wild Bill, which you know took place in the same kind of in universe.
Cameron Scott: Uh I love this series.
Cameron Scott: Um for introducing me to Timothy the Oliphant, for introducing me to fucking elsewhere in Jenny and McShane.
Cameron Scott: I I knew you know of him, but I hadn't seen his work up until this point.
Lee Russell: Mm-hmm.
Cameron Scott: I fucking love it.
Cameron Scott: Uh I'm going to be saying that a lot.
Cameron Scott: Uh the colorful dialogue, the the calamity Jane.
Cameron Scott: I mean, geez, what's not the love about this?
Cameron Scott: You know, old crotchety doc.
Cameron Scott: play by Brad Dourif, how he he lived through the three seasons of this with his health as bad as it was.
Cameron Scott: But uh yeah um
Cameron Scott: Is this the is this is if this isn't the best TV show of all time, then I don't know why anybody would think any different.
Cameron Scott: I don't know.
Cameron Scott: I don't know what else I can say about it, but it's the colorful dialogue, the colorful colorful characters, everything about it is just a chef's choice.
Gary Hill: Cool.
Cameron Scott: Lee?
Lee Russell: Yeah, so um like we were sort of talking uh off recording here
Lee Russell: This is one I've been trying to like get into over and over again, and I I get a couple episodes in and then I get busy with other stuff and I just kind of drop it
Lee Russell: Um and it's not anything to do with the quality of it.
Lee Russell: Uh the few episodes I have seen are great, uh, and this is no exception.
Lee Russell: Like the this is
Lee Russell: probably one of the best constructed like debut pilot episodes for a series you could hope for because it establishes all your principles pretty much like all the main ones.
Lee Russell: Um it establishes the dynamics in the town immediately with seemingly very little, like because it's jumping between characters a lot in the hour it's got.
Cameron Scott: But it does it depthly.
Lee Russell: And it's and it's all through the performances and the dialogue for the most part.
Lee Russell: You immediately get uh who Swear Engine is, what he's doing in town, the kind of
Lee Russell: Plays he's making the kind of things he's doing to keep all the dirt off him, even though he's the dirtiest motherfucker in town.
Lee Russell: Um
Lee Russell: You know, I I was saying uh hive of scum and villainy.
Lee Russell: Uh I mean that that is what Deadwood kind of is presented as here.
Lee Russell: It's it's a place for great opportunity and a place where
Lee Russell: Some people just go to die because uh they're gonna get either they're gonna get killed for shooting their mouth off or they're gonna come in with a big gold mine claim.
Lee Russell: and get that taken away from them.
Lee Russell: Um there's all kinds of that stuff going on and even in just this episode, that's kind of one of the the central threads of this episode is swearing Jin uh tricking a guy into buying a worthless gold uh claim.
Lee Russell: and then and fleecing him for all of his money.
Lee Russell: Um yeah, it it's great.
Lee Russell: Uh the acting's great.
Lee Russell: Um it is treading on some of the same territory that uh Walter Hill was al already treading on in Wild Bill.
Lee Russell: And I think
Lee Russell: Once we get into the discussion, we sort of can sort of talk about some of the differences between Wild Bill and how we see Wild Bill in this and how he's presented.
Lee Russell: Um and uh I I do know that I I didn't get to the episode where he he departs from the series, but I I know uh while Bill is not long for this world in this series, and uh uh but I mean
Lee Russell: Uh Keith Carradine just makes a an amazing impression uh even in this in in this first episode here.
Lee Russell: And uh
Lee Russell: Yeah everyone everyone's like pulling their weight no one's no one's stealing m the the series away yet uh from from me it like it's it's like everybody's contributing there's all these familiar faces it's it's like Sopranos where it's just like up and down
Lee Russell: There's all these great character actors.
Lee Russell: Some some are you know more noticeable than others.
Lee Russell: You've seen them in other stuff, and some are going to show up in stuff in the next 20 years and be big, big actors.
Lee Russell: Like
Lee Russell: You know, Tim Volifant, his career's really just kind of starting to take off around this time.
Lee Russell: Uh, you know, and um
Lee Russell: I'm I'm thinking about like uh um what's his name?
Lee Russell: Uh um oh yeah uh John Hawks, like he he's like a he's an indie darling now kind of almost like
Lee Russell: You'll you'll see him in all kinds of like direct to streaming stuff, but he also just pops up in big uh films and television and stuff too.
Lee Russell: But uh like all these really great character actors just like pinging off each other and
Lee Russell: Um, there's there's there's not a moment of this episode that's not enjoyable.
Cameron Scott: Well put.
Gary Hill: Yeah, the amount of world building you get in just just the first episode is pr pretty phenomenal.
Gary Hill: And I I credit that to to to Walter.
Gary Hill: And you know, it just
Gary Hill: Everything coming together, you know, you t two guys come into town to a lawless town where we w w one was once a marshal and of course he comes to town where everything's just, you know, crazy and I
Gary Hill: I lo I love the chaos of it.
Gary Hill: I love everything about it.
Gary Hill: And y it kinda reminds me of uh the way Tombstone's set up where they they they want to come to town and become legit and that that's all he was, but of course he gets
Gary Hill: He gets sucked back in and I I love I love that.
Gary Hill: That's what you want.
Gary Hill: I I we've we're talking about justified off off the air and
Gary Hill: At the end of the day, y you w you want Deputy Marshal Raylan Gibbons of the Old West.
Gary Hill: So if you if you have that voter inside you that loves justified
Gary Hill: And you want Rayland Gibbons of the Old West.
Gary Hill: This is this is this is a show for you, a show and a half for you, in my opinion.
Cameron Scott: Those opening scenes with him, and you know, you learn exactly who Seth Bullock is.
Gary Hill: Yeah
Gary Hill: It's really great.
Gary Hill: And um the opening's really great.
Gary Hill: It says sets up, you know, just what kind of man he is and you know
Gary Hill: No no nonsense, you know, with with with criminal and all this stuff, but you know it set sets up it sets up this town real great too.
Gary Hill: With just a town full of hustlers.
Gary Hill: in a town full of people who, you know, have to answer to the the the the main hustlers and you know know their place to stay in their lane or else something bad's gonna happen to them obviously.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: Don't go fucking around the Jen Saloon, that's what I gotta say.
Lee Russell: No, if if you're a loudmouth Irishman who who wants to, you know wants to get some money out of a deal when you already owe Swering Jen basically your life
Lee Russell: He's got your life on tab.
Lee Russell: You don't go demanding money because, well, he's just gonna collect your life off screen, you know.
Lee Russell: It's like
Gary Hill: Um what I what person I forgot to mention because he's into so much stuff too, is um our our our uh Asian character in this film.
Gary Hill: I'm not sure if he's a pig farmer or what he is, but he he's a remover of the bodies apparently.
Gary Hill: Uh Keon Young business woo.
Gary Hill: He's been in tons of things over the years and
Gary Hill: He just um he shows up and shows out in this in my opinion and he gets some good stuff in the movie, we'll talk about that another time, but
Gary Hill: uh with him.
Lee Russell: Um but he's got the body disposal business basically because he's got the things, right?
Gary Hill: And I just love I
Gary Hill: I love the the part where they throw the the the dude in the pit.
Gary Hill: These hogs just go into town on that guy's belly.
Gary Hill: It's just you know
Gary Hill: Oh yeah, you know.
Lee Russell: I wonder I wonder, was that Snatch that really established that as a as a trope as like uh just just a movie
Lee Russell: Thematic touch tone where everybody knows now that, oh, someone owns pigs, there's a body that's going to be fed to them at some point.
Lee Russell: Like it's it's it's just a trope now, right?
Lee Russell: I feel like snatch is probably the
Lee Russell: the modern touchstone to that.
Gary Hill: But uh I don't I don't quite be like you could be like Clint Howard and Evil speaking just like try pigs and you know say, you know what?
Gary Hill: He didn't own the pigs.
Gary Hill: He just made them he just made 'em come, that's all, you know.
Gary Hill: Oh gosh.
Gary Hill: Yeah, real real good shit in our first episode.
Gary Hill: And I I I I washed a little bit ahead
Gary Hill: And it continues really, really well.
Gary Hill: So it's been very long since I watched this whole series.
Gary Hill: But I'm I'm I'm gonna dive back into it again, much like we promised to do that we'll say hey we'll get into a season and you know, we'll go watch something else but yeah.
Cameron Scott: I often say I don't need a reason to watch Deadwood, but I sure like to have one.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: But yeah, like I
Lee Russell: We you know we see how like the town is controlled by Swerengine, how he manipulates people.
Lee Russell: Um like I said, keeping the dirt off himself at all times.
Lee Russell: Like he's he's always
Lee Russell: He's always very on top of like anything that would expose that he is like behind certain deals.
Lee Russell: I I I do know that we learn that he is behind the family that gets massacred, which is kind of like the B plot of this or whatever.
Lee Russell: Or actually it ends up being kind of the A plot of this at the end of it because this is
Lee Russell: This is sort of the the culmination that establishes that Bulek is, you know, he he might be shades of gray, but he's like the white hat in this town.
Lee Russell: And uh, you know, and while Bill is
Lee Russell: is is also a seasoned law lawman and professional as well, with, you know, who's rough around the edges as well of his sort of sullied past.
Lee Russell: But they both like immediately recognize that each each one of them is a professional, so they're immediately getting along.
Lee Russell: Um but like uh swear engines just like
Lee Russell: Even the way he looks, the way Ian McShane looks, he kind of looks like the devil.
Lee Russell: Like if this if this if this series took a supernatural turn, you would not be surprised to see him like
Lee Russell: show himself up like the devil at some point.
Lee Russell: Like he just he he turns like totally red in the mirror or something.
Cameron Scott: You know, you get a you get like a Mephisto moment from uh smoke starts rolling out his ears or something.
Lee Russell: Yeah, something along those lines.
Lee Russell: You know, because he he's holding debt on so many people in this town.
Lee Russell: Um he's got you know, he's got his his brothel under a a tight boot.
Lee Russell: He's not quite
Lee Russell: He's not quite little Bill from um Unforgiven.
Lee Russell: He he's actually a lot meaner.
Lee Russell: Um outwardly meaner
Gary Hill: Literally under a tight boot.
Gary Hill: He he just jams that foot on that horse throat like that, like yeah, this is the way it's gonna go, you know.
Cameron Scott: He's like, you know, make a choice and he's like, I can either end it now or we can continue our you know our our work here
Cameron Scott: Mm-hmm.
Cameron Scott: I don't think she was totally comfortable with the decision she made, but she knew that that she was literally quite literally under the boot.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: And then, you know, and then in that that whole scene that starts that, um, I do like that this this uh series immediately like just sets off that like, oh, we're gonna do some
Lee Russell: gnarly stuff.
Lee Russell: We're gonna do some adult stuff.
Lee Russell: We're gonna, you know, put a little early uh old West forensics in it with the with the bullet through the head and then uh yeah the Brad Duro sticks that rod through the dude's head is like
Lee Russell: I wonder how he survived for 20 minutes.
Lee Russell: 20 minutes he survived with that bullet in his head or whatever.
Lee Russell: And he he's just like this
Lee Russell: He's he is scientifically interested, but he's like mad doctor scientifically interested.
Lee Russell: He's like he's obviously a little crazed, you know, like I immediately get that
Lee Russell: one of those really good little Duroff performances where uh he he's just barely keeping his his mania in check at all times.
Cameron Scott: I really like that.
Cameron Scott: I love how he he's the only person who is allowed to give swearing gin shit.
Cameron Scott: He's allowed to yell at him like, well fuck you, Al.
Cameron Scott: You know, and now we'll just give him a look like the fuck you just say to me.
Cameron Scott: But you know, but he's he realizes, you know, that the doc is one of the only ones there that can help keep people alive.
Cameron Scott: He might be a maniac, but
Lee Russell: He's a crime d he's a crime doctor.
Lee Russell: For the for the criminal organization that runs the town.
Lee Russell: So
Cameron Scott: And if he can't and if he can't fucking rely on Doc, you know, he's he's got woo with the pigs.
Cameron Scott: Mm-hmm.
Lee Russell: Yep.
Lee Russell: Yep
Gary Hill: So you gotta be locked down.
Gary Hill: Let me fuck a fucking weird science right here and put a rod through some dude's head.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Let me indulge myself, you know.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: That that's the thing.
Lee Russell: It's like that that's that's the sp that's the special benefit he really gets is that he gets to take the bodies and do with them what he wants because you know
Lee Russell: You're never in short supply of bodies when it comes to swearing gin, because he's always got to kill somebody at some point because there's always going to be someone who wanders into town who
Lee Russell: gets under his influence but has a loud mouth like that Irish dude that was seen on the uh on the fraud scam that they did.
Lee Russell: Um
Lee Russell: But but yeah, Doc Cochrane here, uh Brad Durof, he comes off a little like Dr.
Lee Russell: Mingala-esque, you know.
Cameron Scott: That's a good comparison.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: I was just gonna say I I I think we'll maybe just like move into the the conversation with uh
Lee Russell: Keith Carradine's uh Wild Bill performance here and and what do we what do we think of it like compared to Jeff Bridges from uh from Wild Bill?
Gary Hill: Well it's it's a lot more subdued, and uh not not in a bad way, but like
Gary Hill: He plays it a lot more straight, like you know, like he's not quite to the point of the you know I'm looking for the word not delusion, but you know
Gary Hill: Melancholy, I guess if you will, because he's he's he's heavily on the drugs on the opium in the well Walter Hill Wild Bill movie
Gary Hill: He's not quite there yet in this movie.
Gary Hill: He's just kinda like he's messed up, but he's he's ready to go.
Gary Hill: So I think uh He he looks tired.
Gary Hill: Yes he looks tired.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: He looks like he's he's trying to deal with things as opposed to, you know
Cameron Scott: Taking drugs and becoming an alcoholic.
Cameron Scott: Well, he's then already an alcoholic.
Cameron Scott: But you know, he's just like he's he's dealing with it on a kind of subservient level.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: He he's he's presented as a more realistic, degenerate gambler in this, where it's like he he gambles but he keeps his calm even when he loses.
Lee Russell: He's just used to losing.
Lee Russell: He just keeps he just keeps keep having to hit that that fucking uh
Lee Russell: uh that drug every every night.
Lee Russell: You know, it's just like getting bankrolled by people and you know it is um his sidekick there, you know, makes us
Lee Russell: a side deal with the with the uh bartend uh the bartender, barkeep owner, or whatever.
Lee Russell: Like, you know, ple please put some of this money aside so we don't go spend it all and and wasting it because he's gonna lose way more than he wins
Lee Russell: And uh I we've gone from town to town now where he's just getting run out of town because he's he's losing it gambling and killing people and and it's no good and we don't need that in Deadwood.
Lee Russell: So let's let's just like keep this under wraps, please.
Cameron Scott: And I also like his uh his relationship with Clamity Jane in this a lot more.
Cameron Scott: Not to throw shade at Alan Barkin, but Robin Weigert.
Cameron Scott: She is just a force to fucking behold.
Lee Russell: And she's way closer to the real Calamity Jane.
Lee Russell: Like the the one from Wild Bill is a sexy romanticized version of the character, whereas whereas the real Cl Clemente
Lee Russell: Calamity.
Lee Russell: Calamity, thank you.
Lee Russell: I was gonna, I mean there's probably some of that, probably some of that going on, but like she is
Lee Russell: She was a rough around the edges, you know, tomboy-ish kind of character who probably was much more like she's being depicted in this than in the movie.
Gary Hill: It's kinda like the Carrie vibe or you know, where if you read the way Carrie is written or how she's written as a character, nobody really really portrayed that in the way it is in the book until, you know
Gary Hill: Calamity Jane in this one is much more much more of an honest portrayal of what you get rather than she's been like you know, like you said, pretty and like
Gary Hill: Not really like, you know, Prissy, she's been pretty badass at every orientation you can think of, but yeah, she's a lot more you again, hang her right around the right around the edges and
Gary Hill: I think that for that reason, you know, there's this compassion there, you know, when you find out, you know, when when they find the survivor of the the supposed suite that's not a suit attack.
Gary Hill: And her reaction to to getting the child is is, you know, she runs from, you know, I'm not gonna drink in the bar with a bunch of pussies, you know, because you know, she's the only woman with balls
Gary Hill: Like the motherly thing, but right there, like instantly.
Gary Hill: I thought that was a nice sun-year switch.
Gary Hill: You do you do get
Lee Russell: I was just gonna say you do get um you do get a like a a real sense of character in in in that performance just in that one episode.
Lee Russell: You kind of get like
Lee Russell: all the beats of her, like the the the tough outside exterior.
Lee Russell: You get the you get the the uh the empathy and the heart when when it comes to the to the surviving girl.
Lee Russell: And you also get this sort of like
Lee Russell: childlike obsession and love for Wild Bill that is not returned.
Lee Russell: Um and and you you just kind of feel really bad for her because she is like delusionally
Lee Russell: in love with Wild Bill and Wild Bill's just like I'm just kind of I gotta kinda keep her to the side because it's I'm not that interested and it's not good for anybody, but you know I can keep her under
Lee Russell: gonna keep her under wraps and keep control of her kind of thing.
Lee Russell: And it's it's it's an interesting uh way the relationship is displayed in this compared to uh in Wild Bill.
Gary Hill: And it's one of those things where where like he's down like we said in the conversation here, so it's one of those you know, who who else is gonna be by his side at this point?
Gary Hill: And she she knows she's gonna stay by his side at this point
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: Yeah he's the only person that's gonna besides her that stays with uh Wild Bill is Charlie.
Lee Russell: Yes.
Cameron Scott: And he's at his wit's end with them.
Cameron Scott: That's why he's like, nestle away a little bit of this money because we barely made it here.
Lee Russell: Yeah, yeah.
Lee Russell: Uh Charlie Utter looks you know, Dayton Cli uh Collie here is Charlie Utter.
Lee Russell: He just even on his performance, he looks like a man who is under a lot of stress.
Lee Russell: It was just like
Lee Russell: He's he's the guy who's kind of handling all of this and kind of wrangling Wild Bill.
Lee Russell: And you know, and Wild Bill, he's he's stuck with Charlie Utter and and Calamity Jane because he is out of friends otherwise
Lee Russell: Everyone else wants to meet them.
Lee Russell: Everyone else wants to play cards with them.
Lee Russell: Everyone else, like Jeffrey Jones, there is like a newspaper publisher or whatever in town.
Lee Russell: wants to immediately start writing stories and getting quotes and stuff, but they're all just looking to use use 'em and he's used to people just looking to use them.
Lee Russell: He he has no real friends other than those two peop people he rode into town with so
Cameron Scott: Yeah, they're essentially star fuckers.
Cameron Scott: You know, I mean, even I I love the the scene where he's playing cards with uh the the coward John uh
Cameron Scott: I can't remember what his name was.
Cameron Scott: The one that Garrett Delahan plays.
Cameron Scott: But he's just like, uh, what did you mean by that that you had the draw on me?
Cameron Scott: And he's like, uh say it.
Cameron Scott: Say it out loud.
Cameron Scott: Because he's always willing to say
Cameron Scott: you know, not start some shit, but he's willing to finish some shit.
Lee Russell: Yeah, Jack McCall.
Lee Russell: Yeah, uh Garrett Dillahunt is Jack McCall and he's you know he's talking at first uh he ain't so impressive then he starts playing cards with them
Lee Russell: And David Carradine is so fucking stone faced and like just waiting for an excuse.
Lee Russell: Like you say the wrong thing.
Lee Russell: Go ahead.
Lee Russell: I'm gonna let you say the wrong thing right now if you want to.
Lee Russell: Say the wrong thing and I will fucking put a bullet through you
Lee Russell: And uh you immediately see uh Jack McCall kind of starts rethinking, oh, uh maybe I shouldn't be mouthin off to this guy.
Cameron Scott: Maybe I should just go over here and shut the fuck up.
Lee Russell: Yeah, maybe I'll have to shoot him in the back of the head or something, like a coward, you know
Gary Hill: Oh boy.
Gary Hill: I was on mute, I'm sorry.
Lee Russell: Oh, there we go.
Lee Russell: There we go.
Lee Russell: Same shit, right there.
Lee Russell: Podcasting professionals here.
Gary Hill: Exactly.
Gary Hill: A plus C plus.
Gary Hill: Top of their game, guys.
Gary Hill: Top of their game.
Lee Russell: This is what you waited a year for, ladies and gentlemen.
Gary Hill: If you put a book and button on mute and just talk talking shit, you know.
Gary Hill: No, like I said at the beginning though I really enjoyed, you know, the world building of all this.
Gary Hill: And you get a lot of that in one episode and uh makes you want to watch the rest of the episodes and I own physical copies of this with with the extras on there, those uh
Gary Hill: We used to be always beginning fat boy sets 'cause I'm looking forward to getting back into this again 'cause there's a lot of spooks that show up that aren't in the first episode that I would love to see that I don't remember.
Gary Hill: Uh
Gary Hill: Uh Ricky Jay shows up for ten episodes somewhere.
Gary Hill: I I always love Ricky Chains, the magician slash actor
Gary Hill: Brian Cox shows.
Lee Russell: Yeah, yeah.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: Yeah, I was about to say Brian Cox.
Lee Russell: I know he's in this at some point.
Gary Hill: Oh powers booth too, man.
Lee Russell: Oh yeah, there we go.
Gary Hill: Um, who else is it the the great Steven Tobolowski who just shows up at everything and I'm fine with that because Tobo Tobo's the man, you know.
Cameron Scott: Wasn't Proof Taylor Vince in this as well?
Gary Hill: Yes, he does show up in this.
Lee Russell: This is just one of those shows, right, where every like you're su you're you're you're just kind of like surprised that James Gand Gandalfini didn't show up at some point just because, you know, but you know, he's probably under that Sopranos contract, so it's like, oh we can't do that.
Gary Hill: You mean you even get feeling a door if there's for three episodes, so there's there's uh that comes later, I'd imagine.
Gary Hill: I don't know if the yeah.
Lee Russell: Well is is is um is Jamie McShane, is that Ian McShane's kid?
Lee Russell: I don't know.
Gary Hill: I have to look that one up later.
Gary Hill: Uh okay randomly, Greg Sipes um shows up for two episodes.
Gary Hill: If you guys don't know who that is, he's a voice actor
Gary Hill: most known for playing Beast Boy on the on Teen Titans.
Gary Hill: So you know I just I just thought like okay, you know
Gary Hill: Um I'll kick it to camera.
Gary Hill: Anything else to say about uh this great pilot episode of Deadwood Man?
Cameron Scott: Well, I mean it's possibly the greatest pilot of all time.
Cameron Scott: It's the greatest first episode in my in my opinion.
Cameron Scott: Because it it does so well in orchestrating the characters and weaving all these characters because there's so many of them.
Cameron Scott: I mean we haven't really tapped into all of them, but it gives them all a chance to shine.
Cameron Scott: It lets you know exactly who everybody is.
Cameron Scott: It's masterfully written.
Cameron Scott: The credit for that goes to David Milch, you know, who we haven't mentioned yet.
Cameron Scott: He was the showrunner of this.
Lee Russell: Yeah, and and he you know, and everyone knows that he you know he wro he he ran and wrote for like Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue and a lot of a lot of just notable TV before this and uh
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: Yeah, uh and I I just say for anybody if you if you can't get through the first episode of this the through the pilot of the show
Cameron Scott: And feels something, then I feel sorry for you.
Lee Russell: Yeah, I don't I don't I don't I don't see how like it it establishes like you said establishes all the characters establishes what this show is about and it tells like
Lee Russell: two stories and kind of wraps them up in the episode.
Lee Russell: You know, it it tells it there's threads that are dangling from each one.
Lee Russell: But like it it tells the it tells the the swindling story that they do with with the rich guy from from out east or whatever, uh where they they sell him the fraudulent uh mine.
Lee Russell: And then they do the the uh the fake Sioux attack story as well.
Lee Russell: And those are two little stories that are kind of wrapped up in this, and then of course
Lee Russell: And they're gonna stuff is gonna expand from those two initial stories throughout the season or whatever, but like this is this is a great um uh way to do it where it's like
Lee Russell: Okay, now I want to see what other these characters do, but it's not quite your usual bullshit cliffhanger where you don't get a conclusion here to something.
Lee Russell: You get a conclusion to a couple things here.
Lee Russell: And then you get a bunch of stuff built on it like it's okay and now we're gonna be going to some really cool stuff.
Lee Russell: So you know stick around folks
Cameron Scott: Yeah, and like uh even though while Bill doesn't you know last long, like you said, Lee, he's not long long for this world in this world of the show.
Cameron Scott: You get to see a budding friendship with him and uh you know, Timothy Oliphant, uh, which is he just lovingly calls Montana all the time.
Cameron Scott: Like when they when they shut shoot down on the guy who killed
Cameron Scott: killed the family and he's like, was that you or me, Montana?
Cameron Scott: And he's like, I think that was you.
Cameron Scott: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: It's just little lines like that that they're throwaway lines in any other kind of show.
Cameron Scott: or especially the pilot means so much in this show.
Lee Russell: I I I think yeah I think there was some hidden depth to that line too because I think it's like Bullock kind of going like
Lee Russell: You know what?
Lee Russell: I'm gonna give him the little celebrity rub and like stroke his ego a little bit at the same time.
Lee Russell: You know, we're getting along.
Lee Russell: Let's keep getting along.
Lee Russell: I'll I'll I'll throw I'll throw the uh ego stroke uh while Bill's way, even if I know that maybe I'm the one who put the bullet through the motherfucker.
Cameron Scott: Yeah, th they they might have both put the bullet through the son of a bitch.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: But yeah, the the just such colorful characters.
Cameron Scott: I mean it uh I don't know that I've ever seen a show and I keep waxing poetic here, but that it's done it.
Cameron Scott: so right and so well, especially right off the bat.
Cameron Scott: Other shows are like, oh, once you get four or five episodes into it, it really finds its its footing.
Cameron Scott: No, this movie or sorry, this show finds its footing in the first episode like that.
Cameron Scott: And if it if it doesn't have you hooked, then gosh, I don't know what's wrong with you.
Cameron Scott: Uh, but yeah, this, you know, pilot A plus.
Gary Hill: Yeah, the little stuff we have.
Gary Hill: The the the little editions of the storytelling, like uh conversation in the tent and
Gary Hill: Somebody asked I forget who asked, but they asked where where they're from MBL.
Gary Hill: Oh yeah, it's the Reverend, right?
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Saul responds with he's from Austria, but he he's from he's from Ohio.
Gary Hill: That that that tells you that yeah his family escaped from from from Europe from from whatever Nazi regime they were under, you know, and
Lee Russell: Yeah, ju Jewish persecution.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Yeah, that that thing too, yeah.
Gary Hill: But it was there was little there was a little it was a little addition to his backstory that
Gary Hill: They didn't dwell on, but you you understood what was going on there.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Mm-hmm.
Lee Russell: Yeah, and it it sets up interest and dynamics, you know, for for possible future stuff.
Lee Russell: He he you know, he's he's a Jewish guy.
Lee Russell: Jewish guys aren't pretty well liked back then in in America.
Lee Russell: And so that you can see that running into some problems in the in a place like Deadwood where there's no real law and in uh
Lee Russell: Right.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Yeah, we did a pretty good job covering this one.
Gary Hill: I'm I'm happy I watched it.
Gary Hill: I'm ha I'm happy to dive more into it actually.
Gary Hill: Just to watch more episodes 'cause three seasons and uh
Gary Hill: I I imagine it was expensive shit or produced, that's probably why it lasted three seasons and not no more.
Gary Hill: But uh whatever.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: We gotta give us some co some closure though.
Cameron Scott: I mean, albeit you know a decade later with the movie, you know, they they they attempted to give us some closure.
Gary Hill: And I appreciate that.
Gary Hill: Some folks don't get that though, so I I'm grateful for that.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Oh my gosh.
Gary Hill: But next up on the show and sooner rather than later, people, I promise.
Gary Hill: I promise, okay?
Gary Hill: My my my head's in a better place than
Gary Hill: It's been a very long time.
Gary Hill: So I would say that's an important part of the job.
Gary Hill: If you uh if your head's out of it, then you know, that twenty percent that turns you into a broadcaster is uh
Gary Hill: It doesn't work.
Gary Hill: I feel that brother.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: But um next up on the podcast is a miniseries.
Gary Hill: I think TNT put this out.
Gary Hill: Uh Broken Trail, uh our our semi-trip to Robert DuBall, actually.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Gary Hill: He's in this.
Gary Hill: Uh Thomas Hayden Church is in this.
Gary Hill: I love these people.
Cameron Scott: I have never seen this.
Lee Russell: It's it's good.
Gary Hill: It's it's pretty well made, I remember.
Gary Hill: It's been a while.
Gary Hill: But um yeah, next up on the show, and um looking forward to that.
Gary Hill: on the Patreon.
Gary Hill: Um it'll it'll be out soon after this or before this.
Gary Hill: Who knows when?
Gary Hill: Uh we're gonna do the Deadwood movie that we mentioned that closes out the series pretty well uh ten years later.
Gary Hill: And um yeah, look forward to that.
Gary Hill: And um I know we are.
Gary Hill: Oh definitely.
Gary Hill: Any plugs guys you want to get to right now?
Gary Hill: You guys got stuff coming all the time.
Lee Russell: Yeah, I'll throw over to Cam first.
Lee Russell: Let him plug his stuff.
Cameron Scott: Oh, I got a couple more uh
Cameron Scott: Howling at the full moon's uh coming out and we did Cutters Club, Virtual Encounters 2.
Cameron Scott: I got a uh
Cameron Scott: uh episode that I did with Suzanne uh on Susperia that's gonna be coming out here very soon.
Gary Hill: Speaking of stroking or ego, you put you out of that shit right there, you know.
Cameron Scott: It's uh well I knew when I was gonna do that there was only one person to ask
Gary Hill: Well yeah, you know.
Cameron Scott: But uh also got an episode on Demons 2 coming out from a sequel to Deja Vu show.
Cameron Scott: So those should all be coming out in the next month or so here.
Lee Russell: Oh, nice, nice.
Lee Russell: Um yeah, I'll I'll mention I'll mention a couple things that uh uh first off on my podcast, uh we
Lee Russell: Last episode we did uh before the recording of this was an episode on seven psychopaths from uh twenty twelve
Lee Russell: Which was a uh kind of a post-Tarantino like critique of those sort of movies that came after Quentin Tarantino hit it big with pulp fiction and the like.
Lee Russell: And uh we're gonna follow up this weekend where we're gonna record uh an episode on two of those movies, uh things to do in Denver when you're dead.
Lee Russell: Oh excuse me, and um
Lee Russell: And Go, uh, which are one's a comedy, one's a crime film, but both are like very Tarantino-esque in how their influences uh came about.
Lee Russell: Um and uh yeah, and before that we also did a pretty uh interesting episode on uh The Spook Who Sat by the Door from 1973, which is a movie that uh
Lee Russell: Uh later learned after releasing the episode uh a lot of evidence uh to the contrary of the uh the sort of uh myth around it, the urban myth around it that it was actively suppressed by the FBI and CIA when it first came out.
Gary Hill: Wasn't Vaughn on that episode?
Gary Hill: Vaughn?
Lee Russell: Vaughn was on that episode, yes.
Lee Russell: And uh Matt from uh Movie Melt.
Lee Russell: Nice.
Lee Russell: Yeah, and we had a really good discussion on that one.
Lee Russell: And um
Lee Russell: I'll just also mention uh I'm on uh the latest episode of Hello, this is the Doom Show on this very network.
Lee Russell: Which big thrill for me.
Lee Russell: One of my favorite podcasts of all time.
Lee Russell: And I finally got the guest on it.
Lee Russell: It was it was from half a year ago because Richard Glenn Schmidt likes to keep a lot of shit in the can and then sort of dolly it out
Lee Russell: uh over the year or I've been guilty of that.
Cameron Scott: I've been really guilty of that.
Lee Russell: But uh, you know, once I finally got to hear it, we we talked about pale blood
Lee Russell: And at the time, Wingshauser had just passed, so that was kind of a little tribute show to Wingshauser as well.
Lee Russell: And uh uh yeah, that's uh
Lee Russell: about it i'm on another oh yeah i'm on uh i'm on my friend matt anderson's uh podcast um who's been on my show a couple times
Lee Russell: It's called Does This Come in Chromium?
Lee Russell: And it's a book and it's about comic books.
Lee Russell: The initial premise was we're just going to cover like early 90s comic books with enhanced covers.
Lee Russell: But you know, like all good podcasts immediately threw that premise at the door and it's just like whatever comic books we want to fucking talk about
Lee Russell: So we're we're talking about uh EctoKid number one, which was from the Clive Barker short-lived imprint in Marvel Comics called The Razor Line.
Cameron Scott: Yeah.
Cameron Scott: I had a couple of those.
Cameron Scott: I think I had a few of the Saints and Sinners line.
Lee Russell: Ah, there you go.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Lee Russell: Um, and um
Lee Russell: So uh yeah, we had a fun discussion about that.
Lee Russell: Uh you know, we're talking about what a great debut episode of uh Deadwood we're we hit we had here.
Lee Russell: That's a comic book that's like
Lee Russell: It's interesting, but it's not a good debut for the comic because it does not give you much of a clue what the fuck it's about.
Lee Russell: And so yeah, it was an interesting discussion.
Lee Russell: And uh yeah, that that's uh that's it for me
Gary Hill: Uh yeah, releasing stuff again.
Gary Hill: I'm very excited about this.
Gary Hill: Um you can hear myself, uh X and Mike Merriman.
Gary Hill: Um
Gary Hill: New CinamaBeef podcast that's out now.
Gary Hill: We did uh Welcome Home Brother Charles and Braind together.
Gary Hill: So that was a
Gary Hill: That was a fun fun political impression.
Lee Russell: That's a that's a thematic uh episode if there ever was one.
Lee Russell: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Um next up on that show we record a week from yesterday, so it'd be this upcoming Thursday.
Gary Hill: Um we're doing Ruckus, which stars Dirk Benedict.
Gary Hill: And and First Blood, which is the one you know, but you know Ruckus came out before First Blood, so it's kind of an odd threadline to say which one is the rip off 'cause you really don't know 'cause Ruckus is like
Gary Hill: Rambo with exploitation elements in it.
Gary Hill: Yeah, yeah.
Cameron Scott: So it's Dirk Benedict?
Gary Hill: Dirk Benedict, yes.
Cameron Scott: I have not seen that.
Cameron Scott: I gotta add that to the list.
Lee Russell: I mean I I would I would argue honestly Rambo really is just exploitation, but it's, you know, maybe slightly elevated exploitation in a sense.
Lee Russell: And and more more so because of what the series became.
Lee Russell: But like if if you're looking at it back in the day when it first came out, that's just a that's a exploitation that comes, you know, from a drive-in
Lee Russell: near you, you know, kind of thing, coming to a drive in near you along with like Macon County line or something like that, you know?
Cameron Scott: Yeah, some white lightning kind of thing.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Well if any ramble one whatever, I think it was in first blood.
Gary Hill: I didn't um the second or third I forget.
Gary Hill: It might have been the second one.
Gary Hill: Where Ram oh yeah, he gets captured by um Steven Burkoff, I think that's the second one.
Gary Hill: And he's like there's that shot where he's gripping the microphone.
Gary Hill: You just see him flexing and he's gripping that microphone.
Gary Hill: Like, yeah.
Gary Hill: This is my muscles.
Gary Hill: I'm I'm angry.
Gary Hill: Come on now.
Cameron Scott: Hey yo, what we so angry for?
Lee Russell: I don't need to act no more.
Gary Hill: Oh gosh.
Gary Hill: Reality with this.
Gary Hill: This has been the last call at Torchy's and uh we appreciate y'all listening if you're still listening.
Cameron Scott: Come on down and grab yourself a pint, you cocksuckers.
Gary Hill: Bye-bye now.
Lee Russell: Bye-bye.
Cameron Scott: Later.