WEBVTT 00:00:00.001 --> 00:00:09.280 Hal's got words I guess when it starts pissing raining here, you know who to blame, huh? 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:12.480 Now I know words circulate. 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.360 Indians kill the family on the spearfish road. 00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:18.560 Now it's not for me to tell anyone in this camp what to do 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:30.960 Much as I don't want more people getting their throats cut, their scalp lifted, or any other godless thing that these godless, bloodthirsty heathens do, or even if someone wants to ride out in darkest night 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:33.560 But I will tell you this. 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:37.239 I use tonight to get myself organized. 00:00:37.239 --> 00:00:38.920 Right out in the morning. 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:40.360 Clear-headed. 00:00:40.980 --> 00:00:55.380 And starting tomorrow morning, I will offer a personal $50 bounty for every decapitated heading with as many of these godless heathen cocksuckers as anyone can bring in tomorrow with no upper limit. 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.880 That's all I say on that subject, except Nat's rounds on the house. 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.800 God rest the souls of that poor family. 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.840 And pussy's half price next fifteen minutes. 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:21.420 Okay, ladies, let's go! 00:01:21.420 --> 00:01:25.660 She must have done some fancy fucking to keep Al from killing her. 00:01:39.620 --> 00:01:42.340 Where's Bill Hicko? 00:01:42.340 --> 00:01:44.500 Where's Charlie? 00:01:45.180 --> 00:01:50.780 Give me a drink. 00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:51.899 It's all right, Al. 00:01:51.899 --> 00:01:54.939 I know you got a lot on your mind. 00:01:55.259 --> 00:01:57.179 That was one hell of a good talk. 00:01:57.179 --> 00:01:59.659 Look, you got everybody back at the tables. 00:02:00.259 --> 00:02:01.380 Doing what they do. 00:02:01.619 --> 00:02:03.299 Tell you the truth. 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:08.580 For murdering people on the road to Spearfish, my money would be on persimmon fill. 00:02:09.380 --> 00:02:11.459 Make it look like index. 00:02:11.459 --> 00:02:13.940 That is his speciality. 00:02:15.420 --> 00:02:17.180 Hey, is it true? 00:02:18.379 --> 00:02:20.300 Engines killing white people? 00:02:20.300 --> 00:02:22.860 That's the sewer mouth that follows Hitcock around. 00:02:22.940 --> 00:02:24.700 Why are we standing here? 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.120 Ride it out tomorrow, daybreak. 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.560 Oh real tomorrow. 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.160 What's your fucking russ 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:36.700 I'm going now. 00:02:36.700 --> 00:02:39.420 He was that bill. 00:02:39.420 --> 00:02:40.940 He was that church 00:02:42.860 --> 00:02:49.340 I know the rogue spearfish, and I don't drink where I'm the only fucking one with balls. 00:03:09.900 --> 00:03:12.380 And you dig it. 00:03:12.380 --> 00:03:14.860 And you dig it. 00:03:14.860 --> 00:03:19.180 And you dig it. 00:03:19.620 --> 00:03:23.940 Every time you go to bar, the bar's got somebody who thinks he's as tough as a nickel steak. 00:03:23.940 --> 00:03:26.660 But they all come to speed for the go-ray me. 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:31.940 We brothers and we friends. 00:03:31.940 --> 00:03:34.260 My little brother was 15 years old. 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:38.460 Think about that. 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:41.580 You're winning, you know. 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:43.020 How about cutting heads? 00:03:43.100 --> 00:03:43.740 Oh I get it. 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:45.660 You want some kind of contest, huh? 00:03:45.980 --> 00:03:49.260 You're a real smart boy. 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:53.220 I guess maybe you'll have to kill me. 00:03:53.220 --> 00:03:55.220 It'll hurt if I do. 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:59.220 Well. 00:03:59.379 --> 00:04:03.379 Looks like I finally ran into someone that likes to play as rough as I do. 00:04:03.379 --> 00:04:03.860 Yeah. 00:04:04.060 --> 00:04:06.220 This must be a lucky night. 00:04:06.459 --> 00:04:09.739 My bodies, they not nice like me. 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:12.140 We supposed to say thanks. 00:04:12.140 --> 00:04:14.780 You're not supposed to say nothing. 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:15.659 So yeah 00:04:15.860 --> 00:04:20.340 Hello folks, once again, it's been a long time, but this is the last call of Torchy's. 00:04:20.340 --> 00:04:24.020 I am one of your hosts, Cocksucker, Gary Hill. 00:04:24.260 --> 00:04:26.419 With me as usual is cocksucker. 00:04:26.419 --> 00:04:28.740 Lee Russell, how you doing, sir? 00:04:28.420 --> 00:04:31.140 uh damp palms running my family, I guess. 00:04:31.140 --> 00:04:34.740 Um I don't know what that means, but uh yeah I'm doing all right. 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:40.420 It's it's it's been a little while, but you know, we've we finally uh circled around and we're back and uh 00:04:40.760 --> 00:04:52.440 We're in a dusty little uh boom town full of uh scum and villainy and uh people looking to make their fortune and uh a lot of people swear a lot 00:04:52.620 --> 00:04:53.419 Yeah. 00:04:53.740 --> 00:04:56.220 Wouldn't you know what cocksucker camera scots are too? 00:04:56.220 --> 00:04:56.940 How you doing, man? 00:04:57.580 --> 00:05:00.300 I I prefer the the term cocksucker number three. 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:00.860 Thank you. 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:04.139 I'm doing good though. 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:09.600 Excited to get my boots a little muddy and uh my guns out of the holsters. 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.360 Nice, nice, nice. 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.040 Yeah, been a long time, but yeah, if you guys didn't want to wear 00:05:15.460 --> 00:05:17.780 This is a show we do when we can get to it. 00:05:17.780 --> 00:05:23.060 Uh all about Walter Hill's filmography, um, directing work so far. 00:05:23.060 --> 00:05:26.740 We there's more to explore in writing and stuff, but um 00:05:27.320 --> 00:05:37.800 Next up in the in the in the in the till here, if you will, is um the Deadwood pilot, which he uh was the director on and the right and uh consulting producer on. 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.440 And um yeah, this stars a whole lot of people that you may know. 00:05:42.440 --> 00:05:52.520 Um remember three years, but Walter Hill out of and uh the pr the the the pilot and that's that's about it as far as uh that goes. 00:05:52.860 --> 00:06:00.540 Yeah, I I think he's just, you know, after that he's just kind of like producer, kind of like tangenally connected to it kind of thing. 00:06:00.820 --> 00:06:09.700 Um it might even just be like uh an alien situation where it's like my name's on all of this and I'm gonna get paid for it even if I don't do shit. 00:06:09.700 --> 00:06:10.100 Yeah. 00:06:10.740 --> 00:06:13.220 Well associated by proxy 00:06:12.960 --> 00:06:13.440 Yeah. 00:06:13.440 --> 00:06:14.639 That is the way to go. 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:19.599 Oh boy. 00:06:19.599 --> 00:06:27.759 Yeah, your your principles in in the pilot, you know, 'cause it's it's just a lot to explore and I think lay it out pretty well in in the pilot. 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:30.639 Um, Timothy Olivant is Seth Bullock. 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:35.360 Ian McShane is uh the Dazer Lee Al Swearing is Al Al Sweringen 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:37.400 Uh Molly Parton. 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.000 Molly Park Molly Parton. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.000 Molly Parker as Alma Garrett. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.440 My words escaped me. 00:06:42.440 --> 00:06:45.159 WRL B round, you know, from much things. 00:06:45.159 --> 00:06:47.960 Um most folks that know him from Scream. 00:06:47.860 --> 00:06:51.060 as Dan Doherty, your your local bartender. 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:54.420 Uh Brad Doruf as Doc Cochran. 00:06:54.420 --> 00:06:57.700 John Hawkes um a soul star. 00:06:57.700 --> 00:06:59.300 Now you know this actor. 00:06:59.300 --> 00:06:59.620 Um 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:11.520 From a lot of things, but I think uh prominently displayed in from Dust Till Dawn as is the gift prior to Benny's World of Liquor or Benny's World of Blood, whatever they call it, you know? 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:15.680 Um great great conversations there. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:20.480 Uh you're gonna continue Dayton Kelly mentioned last time on the dispute episode. 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.120 Uh plays ch Place Charlie Utter. 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:26.080 Uh Leon Rippey, you can, and the face you should know. 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:29.840 Leanne Rippe shows up in so many things as Tom Nettle. 00:07:30.080 --> 00:07:31.360 William Sanderson is E. 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:31.520 V. 00:07:31.520 --> 00:07:33.919 Farden, the guy that owns the hotel. 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.960 Robin Wilgert as he is. 00:07:37.960 --> 00:07:39.080 Yes indeed. 00:07:39.080 --> 00:07:45.960 Robin Wilgert as Calamity Jane and we'll talk about that because I think it's pretty pretty spectacular. 00:07:47.020 --> 00:07:49.500 There's there's more folks in here, but a lot of folks show up later. 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:53.100 Jeffrey Jones will we'll mention him because I like his acting work. 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:56.460 I don't like his his his quirks, if you will 00:07:56.460 --> 00:08:01.419 But uh unfortunately but uh shows up and shows out and stuff like this all the time though. 00:08:01.419 --> 00:08:03.580 And he does a good job. 00:08:03.580 --> 00:08:04.539 That's all I'll say about it. 00:08:04.699 --> 00:08:05.659 He does a good job, yeah. 00:08:05.659 --> 00:08:07.419 I can still enjoy his work. 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:18.960 And um and as in I guess uh a five episode arc it's been a while since I watched these, um Keith Carradine as as wild Bill Hickcock and this uh this pilot 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:24.600 um shows up in this and I I gotta mention him because he shows up for a hot second. 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:32.599 Uh Blue Island's own, Illinois' own uh South Suburb guy, Mike Haggerty, who you've seen in many, many things 00:08:32.740 --> 00:08:37.700 shows up as a guy who's screaming at a wagon that they give a uh a chamber pot to. 00:08:37.700 --> 00:08:38.419 Oh yeah. 00:08:38.419 --> 00:08:40.740 I just love the Mike Caggery shows up in this. 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:41.620 So it just 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:46.279 It's a series of of people who shows up in this thing that makes me so happy. 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.000 But um I'll kick it to Cam burst. 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:49.320 Um 00:08:57.540 --> 00:09:00.260 Well, I have to thank my mother for introducing me to this. 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:02.020 I was living on my own. 00:09:01.940 --> 00:09:08.980 far away from home and she sent it to me burnt on CD or on uh video disc. 00:09:08.980 --> 00:09:11.700 And I was just like, what is this fucking series? 00:09:11.700 --> 00:09:16.340 And she sent me season two first and I was just like, I was fucking lost. 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:23.320 But I finally saw season one and this is you know no surprise. 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:25.560 This is my favorite TV show of all time. 00:09:26.300 --> 00:09:27.819 Literally my favorite TV show. 00:09:29.019 --> 00:09:32.380 They could have given us 18 seasons of this and I'd have been happy. 00:09:32.380 --> 00:09:36.940 Never have I seen a Western series and I love Westerns. 00:09:37.180 --> 00:09:38.940 portrayed such as this. 00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:41.500 I mean, like just down, dirty. 00:09:41.500 --> 00:09:49.660 I mean the closest was uh you know Walter Hill's uh Wild Bill, which you know took place in the same kind of in universe. 00:09:49.640 --> 00:09:51.160 Uh I love this series. 00:09:51.160 --> 00:09:58.680 Um for introducing me to Timothy the Oliphant, for introducing me to fucking elsewhere in Jenny and McShane. 00:09:58.680 --> 00:10:02.760 I I knew you know of him, but I hadn't seen his work up until this point. 00:10:02.760 --> 00:10:04.360 Mm-hmm. 00:10:03.740 --> 00:10:05.020 I fucking love it. 00:10:05.020 --> 00:10:06.940 Uh I'm going to be saying that a lot. 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:10.380 Uh the colorful dialogue, the the calamity Jane. 00:10:10.380 --> 00:10:12.700 I mean, geez, what's not the love about this? 00:10:12.700 --> 00:10:15.500 You know, old crotchety doc. 00:10:15.540 --> 00:10:23.700 play by Brad Dourif, how he he lived through the three seasons of this with his health as bad as it was. 00:10:24.500 --> 00:10:26.180 But uh yeah um 00:10:27.100 --> 00:10:35.340 Is this the is this is if this isn't the best TV show of all time, then I don't know why anybody would think any different. 00:10:37.560 --> 00:10:38.199 I don't know. 00:10:38.199 --> 00:10:48.199 I don't know what else I can say about it, but it's the colorful dialogue, the colorful colorful characters, everything about it is just a chef's choice. 00:10:49.460 --> 00:10:50.180 Cool. 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:51.300 Lee? 00:10:51.540 --> 00:10:56.260 Yeah, so um like we were sort of talking uh off recording here 00:10:57.100 --> 00:11:05.500 This is one I've been trying to like get into over and over again, and I I get a couple episodes in and then I get busy with other stuff and I just kind of drop it 00:11:05.540 --> 00:11:08.500 Um and it's not anything to do with the quality of it. 00:11:08.500 --> 00:11:12.980 Uh the few episodes I have seen are great, uh, and this is no exception. 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:13.940 Like the this is 00:11:14.020 --> 00:11:25.460 probably one of the best constructed like debut pilot episodes for a series you could hope for because it establishes all your principles pretty much like all the main ones. 00:11:25.520 --> 00:11:36.160 Um it establishes the dynamics in the town immediately with seemingly very little, like because it's jumping between characters a lot in the hour it's got. 00:11:37.040 --> 00:11:38.480 But it does it depthly. 00:11:39.459 --> 00:11:43.060 And it's and it's all through the performances and the dialogue for the most part. 00:11:43.060 --> 00:11:48.339 You immediately get uh who Swear Engine is, what he's doing in town, the kind of 00:11:48.560 --> 00:11:55.040 Plays he's making the kind of things he's doing to keep all the dirt off him, even though he's the dirtiest motherfucker in town. 00:11:55.040 --> 00:11:55.360 Um 00:11:56.339 --> 00:11:59.540 You know, I I was saying uh hive of scum and villainy. 00:11:59.540 --> 00:12:03.779 Uh I mean that that is what Deadwood kind of is presented as here. 00:12:03.940 --> 00:12:06.579 It's it's a place for great opportunity and a place where 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:15.760 Some people just go to die because uh they're gonna get either they're gonna get killed for shooting their mouth off or they're gonna come in with a big gold mine claim. 00:12:15.560 --> 00:12:17.720 and get that taken away from them. 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:30.360 Um there's all kinds of that stuff going on and even in just this episode, that's kind of one of the the central threads of this episode is swearing Jin uh tricking a guy into buying a worthless gold uh claim. 00:12:30.259 --> 00:12:32.660 and then and fleecing him for all of his money. 00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:35.060 Um yeah, it it's great. 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:36.740 Uh the acting's great. 00:12:36.740 --> 00:12:43.300 Um it is treading on some of the same territory that uh Walter Hill was al already treading on in Wild Bill. 00:12:43.300 --> 00:12:44.100 And I think 00:12:43.959 --> 00:12:52.519 Once we get into the discussion, we sort of can sort of talk about some of the differences between Wild Bill and how we see Wild Bill in this and how he's presented. 00:12:52.620 --> 00:13:04.860 Um and uh I I do know that I I didn't get to the episode where he he departs from the series, but I I know uh while Bill is not long for this world in this series, and uh uh but I mean 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:12.020 Uh Keith Carradine just makes a an amazing impression uh even in this in in this first episode here. 00:13:12.020 --> 00:13:12.660 And uh 00:13:12.780 --> 00:13:26.940 Yeah everyone everyone's like pulling their weight no one's no one's stealing m the the series away yet uh from from me it like it's it's like everybody's contributing there's all these familiar faces it's it's like Sopranos where it's just like up and down 00:13:27.339 --> 00:13:29.339 There's all these great character actors. 00:13:29.339 --> 00:13:31.500 Some some are you know more noticeable than others. 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:38.540 You've seen them in other stuff, and some are going to show up in stuff in the next 20 years and be big, big actors. 00:13:38.540 --> 00:13:38.779 Like 00:13:39.160 --> 00:13:45.160 You know, Tim Volifant, his career's really just kind of starting to take off around this time. 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:46.760 Uh, you know, and um 00:13:47.160 --> 00:13:52.040 I'm I'm thinking about like uh um what's his name? 00:13:52.040 --> 00:14:00.280 Uh um oh yeah uh John Hawks, like he he's like a he's an indie darling now kind of almost like 00:14:00.380 --> 00:14:08.620 You'll you'll see him in all kinds of like direct to streaming stuff, but he also just pops up in big uh films and television and stuff too. 00:14:08.620 --> 00:14:13.339 But uh like all these really great character actors just like pinging off each other and 00:14:13.640 --> 00:14:19.080 Um, there's there's there's not a moment of this episode that's not enjoyable. 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.200 Well put. 00:14:22.540 --> 00:14:27.740 Yeah, the amount of world building you get in just just the first episode is pr pretty phenomenal. 00:14:27.740 --> 00:14:30.140 And I I credit that to to to Walter. 00:14:30.140 --> 00:14:31.660 And you know, it just 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:45.240 Everything coming together, you know, you t two guys come into town to a lawless town where we w w one was once a marshal and of course he comes to town where everything's just, you know, crazy and I 00:14:45.700 --> 00:14:47.380 I lo I love the chaos of it. 00:14:47.380 --> 00:14:48.420 I love everything about it. 00:14:48.420 --> 00:14:56.180 And y it kinda reminds me of uh the way Tombstone's set up where they they they want to come to town and become legit and that that's all he was, but of course he gets 00:14:56.459 --> 00:14:59.899 He gets sucked back in and I I love I love that. 00:15:00.540 --> 00:15:01.420 That's what you want. 00:15:01.580 --> 00:15:04.380 I I we've we're talking about justified off off the air and 00:15:05.620 --> 00:15:10.100 At the end of the day, y you w you want Deputy Marshal Raylan Gibbons of the Old West. 00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:14.180 So if you if you have that voter inside you that loves justified 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.600 And you want Rayland Gibbons of the Old West. 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:21.960 This is this is this is a show for you, a show and a half for you, in my opinion. 00:15:22.040 --> 00:15:26.840 Those opening scenes with him, and you know, you learn exactly who Seth Bullock is. 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:27.480 Yeah 00:15:27.940 --> 00:15:28.980 It's really great. 00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:30.900 And um the opening's really great. 00:15:30.900 --> 00:15:35.780 It says sets up, you know, just what kind of man he is and you know 00:15:36.620 --> 00:15:44.779 No no nonsense, you know, with with with criminal and all this stuff, but you know it set sets up it sets up this town real great too. 00:15:44.779 --> 00:15:47.740 With just a town full of hustlers. 00:15:47.700 --> 00:15:59.140 in a town full of people who, you know, have to answer to the the the the main hustlers and you know know their place to stay in their lane or else something bad's gonna happen to them obviously. 00:15:58.880 --> 00:15:59.040 Yeah. 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.160 Don't go fucking around the Jen Saloon, that's what I gotta say. 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:11.440 No, if if you're a loudmouth Irishman who who wants to, you know wants to get some money out of a deal when you already owe Swering Jen basically your life 00:16:11.259 --> 00:16:12.940 He's got your life on tab. 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:17.500 You don't go demanding money because, well, he's just gonna collect your life off screen, you know. 00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:17.740 It's like 00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:29.980 Um what I what person I forgot to mention because he's into so much stuff too, is um our our our uh Asian character in this film. 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:35.120 I'm not sure if he's a pig farmer or what he is, but he he's a remover of the bodies apparently. 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:38.160 Uh Keon Young business woo. 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:40.240 He's been in tons of things over the years and 00:16:40.680 --> 00:16:48.360 He just um he shows up and shows out in this in my opinion and he gets some good stuff in the movie, we'll talk about that another time, but 00:16:48.520 --> 00:16:49.560 uh with him. 00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:55.720 Um but he's got the body disposal business basically because he's got the things, right? 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:56.840 And I just love I 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.600 I love the the part where they throw the the the dude in the pit. 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.319 These hogs just go into town on that guy's belly. 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:06.520 It's just you know 00:17:06.660 --> 00:17:08.900 Oh yeah, you know. 00:17:09.459 --> 00:17:17.380 I wonder I wonder, was that Snatch that really established that as a as a trope as like uh just just a movie 00:17:17.919 --> 00:17:25.120 Thematic touch tone where everybody knows now that, oh, someone owns pigs, there's a body that's going to be fed to them at some point. 00:17:25.120 --> 00:17:27.199 Like it's it's it's just a trope now, right? 00:17:27.199 --> 00:17:29.200 I feel like snatch is probably the 00:17:29.620 --> 00:17:31.300 the modern touchstone to that. 00:17:31.300 --> 00:17:39.300 But uh I don't I don't quite be like you could be like Clint Howard and Evil speaking just like try pigs and you know say, you know what? 00:17:41.060 --> 00:17:42.100 He didn't own the pigs. 00:17:42.100 --> 00:17:44.420 He just made them he just made 'em come, that's all, you know. 00:17:46.580 --> 00:17:47.460 Oh gosh. 00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:49.620 Yeah, real real good shit in our first episode. 00:17:49.620 --> 00:17:52.340 And I I I I washed a little bit ahead 00:17:52.540 --> 00:17:54.620 And it continues really, really well. 00:17:54.620 --> 00:17:57.500 So it's been very long since I watched this whole series. 00:17:57.500 --> 00:18:06.380 But I'm I'm I'm gonna dive back into it again, much like we promised to do that we'll say hey we'll get into a season and you know, we'll go watch something else but yeah. 00:18:07.180 --> 00:18:11.500 I often say I don't need a reason to watch Deadwood, but I sure like to have one. 00:18:11.500 --> 00:18:12.380 Yeah. 00:18:15.580 --> 00:18:16.700 But yeah, like I 00:18:17.860 --> 00:18:24.660 We you know we see how like the town is controlled by Swerengine, how he manipulates people. 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:28.100 Um like I said, keeping the dirt off himself at all times. 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:29.220 Like he's he's always 00:18:29.560 --> 00:18:37.240 He's always very on top of like anything that would expose that he is like behind certain deals. 00:18:38.080 --> 00:18:44.720 I I I do know that we learn that he is behind the family that gets massacred, which is kind of like the B plot of this or whatever. 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.640 Or actually it ends up being kind of the A plot of this at the end of it because this is 00:18:48.760 --> 00:18:57.559 This is sort of the the culmination that establishes that Bulek is, you know, he he might be shades of gray, but he's like the white hat in this town. 00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:59.880 And uh, you know, and while Bill is 00:19:00.419 --> 00:19:09.860 is is also a seasoned law lawman and professional as well, with, you know, who's rough around the edges as well of his sort of sullied past. 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:16.280 But they both like immediately recognize that each each one of them is a professional, so they're immediately getting along. 00:19:16.280 --> 00:19:19.800 Um but like uh swear engines just like 00:19:20.140 --> 00:19:24.140 Even the way he looks, the way Ian McShane looks, he kind of looks like the devil. 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:29.820 Like if this if this if this series took a supernatural turn, you would not be surprised to see him like 00:19:30.040 --> 00:19:32.760 show himself up like the devil at some point. 00:19:32.760 --> 00:19:36.760 Like he just he he turns like totally red in the mirror or something. 00:19:36.760 --> 00:19:42.520 You know, you get a you get like a Mephisto moment from uh smoke starts rolling out his ears or something. 00:19:42.520 --> 00:19:44.760 Yeah, something along those lines. 00:19:44.540 --> 00:19:48.780 You know, because he he's holding debt on so many people in this town. 00:19:48.780 --> 00:19:52.860 Um he's got you know, he's got his his brothel under a a tight boot. 00:19:52.860 --> 00:19:53.820 He's not quite 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.240 He's not quite little Bill from um Unforgiven. 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:58.840 He he's actually a lot meaner. 00:19:58.840 --> 00:20:02.360 Um outwardly meaner 00:20:02.800 --> 00:20:04.240 Literally under a tight boot. 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:09.280 He he just jams that foot on that horse throat like that, like yeah, this is the way it's gonna go, you know. 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:15.520 He's like, you know, make a choice and he's like, I can either end it now or we can continue our you know our our work here 00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:16.580 Mm-hmm. 00:20:16.740 --> 00:20:23.299 I don't think she was totally comfortable with the decision she made, but she knew that that she was literally quite literally under the boot. 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:24.260 Yeah. 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:33.500 And then, you know, and then in that that whole scene that starts that, um, I do like that this this uh series immediately like just sets off that like, oh, we're gonna do some 00:20:33.940 --> 00:20:34.820 gnarly stuff. 00:20:34.820 --> 00:20:36.179 We're gonna do some adult stuff. 00:20:36.179 --> 00:20:47.779 We're gonna, you know, put a little early uh old West forensics in it with the with the bullet through the head and then uh yeah the Brad Duro sticks that rod through the dude's head is like 00:20:47.600 --> 00:20:50.400 I wonder how he survived for 20 minutes. 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.760 20 minutes he survived with that bullet in his head or whatever. 00:20:53.760 --> 00:20:55.520 And he he's just like this 00:20:55.720 --> 00:21:01.640 He's he is scientifically interested, but he's like mad doctor scientifically interested. 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.880 He's like he's obviously a little crazed, you know, like I immediately get that 00:21:06.100 --> 00:21:14.179 one of those really good little Duroff performances where uh he he's just barely keeping his his mania in check at all times. 00:21:14.019 --> 00:21:15.220 I really like that. 00:21:15.539 --> 00:21:19.860 I love how he he's the only person who is allowed to give swearing gin shit. 00:21:20.340 --> 00:21:23.620 He's allowed to yell at him like, well fuck you, Al. 00:21:23.260 --> 00:21:27.580 You know, and now we'll just give him a look like the fuck you just say to me. 00:21:27.580 --> 00:21:34.059 But you know, but he's he realizes, you know, that the doc is one of the only ones there that can help keep people alive. 00:21:34.059 --> 00:21:36.539 He might be a maniac, but 00:21:36.460 --> 00:21:38.620 He's a crime d he's a crime doctor. 00:21:42.460 --> 00:21:45.740 For the for the criminal organization that runs the town. 00:21:45.740 --> 00:21:46.060 So 00:21:46.679 --> 00:21:52.200 And if he can't and if he can't fucking rely on Doc, you know, he's he's got woo with the pigs. 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:52.840 Mm-hmm. 00:21:52.840 --> 00:21:53.399 Yep. 00:21:53.399 --> 00:21:54.039 Yep 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:55.360 So you gotta be locked down. 00:21:55.360 --> 00:21:59.120 Let me fuck a fucking weird science right here and put a rod through some dude's head. 00:21:59.120 --> 00:21:59.360 Yeah. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.760 Let me indulge myself, you know. 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.040 Yeah. 00:22:02.940 --> 00:22:03.740 That that's the thing. 00:22:03.740 --> 00:22:11.820 It's like that that's that's the sp that's the special benefit he really gets is that he gets to take the bodies and do with them what he wants because you know 00:22:12.820 --> 00:22:22.260 You're never in short supply of bodies when it comes to swearing gin, because he's always got to kill somebody at some point because there's always going to be someone who wanders into town who 00:22:22.540 --> 00:22:30.460 gets under his influence but has a loud mouth like that Irish dude that was seen on the uh on the fraud scam that they did. 00:22:30.460 --> 00:22:30.780 Um 00:22:31.700 --> 00:22:37.780 But but yeah, Doc Cochrane here, uh Brad Durof, he comes off a little like Dr. 00:22:37.780 --> 00:22:39.380 Mingala-esque, you know. 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:41.300 That's a good comparison. 00:22:41.380 --> 00:22:42.340 Yeah. 00:22:45.760 --> 00:22:50.880 I was just gonna say I I I think we'll maybe just like move into the the conversation with uh 00:22:51.340 --> 00:22:59.660 Keith Carradine's uh Wild Bill performance here and and what do we what do we think of it like compared to Jeff Bridges from uh from Wild Bill? 00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:03.740 Well it's it's a lot more subdued, and uh not not in a bad way, but like 00:23:03.860 --> 00:23:12.820 He plays it a lot more straight, like you know, like he's not quite to the point of the you know I'm looking for the word not delusion, but you know 00:23:13.120 --> 00:23:20.880 Melancholy, I guess if you will, because he's he's he's heavily on the drugs on the opium in the well Walter Hill Wild Bill movie 00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.779 He's not quite there yet in this movie. 00:23:22.779 --> 00:23:26.620 He's just kinda like he's messed up, but he's he's ready to go. 00:23:26.620 --> 00:23:29.019 So I think uh He he looks tired. 00:23:29.019 --> 00:23:30.059 Yes he looks tired. 00:23:30.380 --> 00:23:30.940 Yeah. 00:23:30.940 --> 00:23:35.100 He looks like he's he's trying to deal with things as opposed to, you know 00:23:36.020 --> 00:23:38.820 Taking drugs and becoming an alcoholic. 00:23:38.820 --> 00:23:41.220 Well, he's then already an alcoholic. 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:46.340 But you know, he's just like he's he's dealing with it on a kind of subservient level. 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:46.360 Yeah. 00:23:46.360 --> 00:23:53.560 He he's he's presented as a more realistic, degenerate gambler in this, where it's like he he gambles but he keeps his calm even when he loses. 00:23:53.560 --> 00:23:54.680 He's just used to losing. 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:58.440 He just keeps he just keeps keep having to hit that that fucking uh 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:01.160 uh that drug every every night. 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:07.480 You know, it's just like getting bankrolled by people and you know it is um his sidekick there, you know, makes us 00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:12.380 a side deal with the with the uh bartend uh the bartender, barkeep owner, or whatever. 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:21.020 Like, you know, ple please put some of this money aside so we don't go spend it all and and wasting it because he's gonna lose way more than he wins 00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:31.740 And uh I we've gone from town to town now where he's just getting run out of town because he's he's losing it gambling and killing people and and it's no good and we don't need that in Deadwood. 00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:35.659 So let's let's just like keep this under wraps, please. 00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:39.300 And I also like his uh his relationship with Clamity Jane in this a lot more. 00:24:39.540 --> 00:24:43.460 Not to throw shade at Alan Barkin, but Robin Weigert. 00:24:43.340 --> 00:24:45.980 She is just a force to fucking behold. 00:24:45.980 --> 00:24:49.020 And she's way closer to the real Calamity Jane. 00:24:49.020 --> 00:24:57.260 Like the the one from Wild Bill is a sexy romanticized version of the character, whereas whereas the real Cl Clemente 00:24:58.120 --> 00:24:58.840 Calamity. 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:00.360 Calamity, thank you. 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:06.360 I was gonna, I mean there's probably some of that, probably some of that going on, but like she is 00:25:06.560 --> 00:25:17.280 She was a rough around the edges, you know, tomboy-ish kind of character who probably was much more like she's being depicted in this than in the movie. 00:25:16.779 --> 00:25:27.260 It's kinda like the Carrie vibe or you know, where if you read the way Carrie is written or how she's written as a character, nobody really really portrayed that in the way it is in the book until, you know 00:25:27.580 --> 00:25:37.180 Calamity Jane in this one is much more much more of an honest portrayal of what you get rather than she's been like you know, like you said, pretty and like 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:48.159 Not really like, you know, Prissy, she's been pretty badass at every orientation you can think of, but yeah, she's a lot more you again, hang her right around the right around the edges and 00:25:48.320 --> 00:26:00.000 I think that for that reason, you know, there's this compassion there, you know, when you find out, you know, when when they find the survivor of the the supposed suite that's not a suit attack. 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:13.320 And her reaction to to getting the child is is, you know, she runs from, you know, I'm not gonna drink in the bar with a bunch of pussies, you know, because you know, she's the only woman with balls 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.840 Like the motherly thing, but right there, like instantly. 00:26:17.080 --> 00:26:19.480 I thought that was a nice sun-year switch. 00:26:19.560 --> 00:26:20.840 You do you do get 00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:29.680 I was just gonna say you do get um you do get a like a a real sense of character in in in that performance just in that one episode. 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:30.640 You kind of get like 00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:35.120 all the beats of her, like the the the tough outside exterior. 00:26:35.120 --> 00:26:42.880 You get the you get the the uh the empathy and the heart when when it comes to the to the surviving girl. 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.280 And you also get this sort of like 00:26:45.780 --> 00:26:51.220 childlike obsession and love for Wild Bill that is not returned. 00:26:51.220 --> 00:26:56.420 Um and and you you just kind of feel really bad for her because she is like delusionally 00:26:57.100 --> 00:27:10.139 in love with Wild Bill and Wild Bill's just like I'm just kind of I gotta kinda keep her to the side because it's I'm not that interested and it's not good for anybody, but you know I can keep her under 00:27:10.360 --> 00:27:13.320 gonna keep her under wraps and keep control of her kind of thing. 00:27:13.320 --> 00:27:20.440 And it's it's it's an interesting uh way the relationship is displayed in this compared to uh in Wild Bill. 00:27:20.260 --> 00:27:30.020 And it's one of those things where where like he's down like we said in the conversation here, so it's one of those you know, who who else is gonna be by his side at this point? 00:27:30.020 --> 00:27:33.140 And she she knows she's gonna stay by his side at this point 00:27:33.679 --> 00:27:34.159 Yeah. 00:27:34.159 --> 00:27:40.159 Yeah he's the only person that's gonna besides her that stays with uh Wild Bill is Charlie. 00:27:40.159 --> 00:27:40.720 Yes. 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.320 And he's at his wit's end with them. 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.159 That's why he's like, nestle away a little bit of this money because we barely made it here. 00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:48.639 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:48.639 --> 00:27:53.279 Uh Charlie Utter looks you know, Dayton Cli uh Collie here is Charlie Utter. 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:58.960 He just even on his performance, he looks like a man who is under a lot of stress. 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.080 It was just like 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:05.399 He's he's the guy who's kind of handling all of this and kind of wrangling Wild Bill. 00:28:05.399 --> 00:28:12.440 And you know, and Wild Bill, he's he's stuck with Charlie Utter and and Calamity Jane because he is out of friends otherwise 00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:14.220 Everyone else wants to meet them. 00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:16.060 Everyone else wants to play cards with them. 00:28:16.700 --> 00:28:22.220 Everyone else, like Jeffrey Jones, there is like a newspaper publisher or whatever in town. 00:28:22.040 --> 00:28:30.120 wants to immediately start writing stories and getting quotes and stuff, but they're all just looking to use use 'em and he's used to people just looking to use them. 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:35.320 He he has no real friends other than those two peop people he rode into town with so 00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:37.700 Yeah, they're essentially star fuckers. 00:28:38.260 --> 00:28:45.620 You know, I mean, even I I love the the scene where he's playing cards with uh the the coward John uh 00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:48.140 I can't remember what his name was. 00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:50.140 The one that Garrett Delahan plays. 00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:53.340 But he's just like, uh, what did you mean by that that you had the draw on me? 00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:54.780 And he's like, uh say it. 00:28:54.780 --> 00:28:55.900 Say it out loud. 00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:58.220 Because he's always willing to say 00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:01.260 you know, not start some shit, but he's willing to finish some shit. 00:29:01.260 --> 00:29:02.380 Yeah, Jack McCall. 00:29:02.380 --> 00:29:11.180 Yeah, uh Garrett Dillahunt is Jack McCall and he's you know he's talking at first uh he ain't so impressive then he starts playing cards with them 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:17.400 And David Carradine is so fucking stone faced and like just waiting for an excuse. 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:18.680 Like you say the wrong thing. 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:19.080 Go ahead. 00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:21.800 I'm gonna let you say the wrong thing right now if you want to. 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:25.080 Say the wrong thing and I will fucking put a bullet through you 00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:34.400 And uh you immediately see uh Jack McCall kind of starts rethinking, oh, uh maybe I shouldn't be mouthin off to this guy. 00:29:34.300 --> 00:29:36.860 Maybe I should just go over here and shut the fuck up. 00:29:36.860 --> 00:29:41.420 Yeah, maybe I'll have to shoot him in the back of the head or something, like a coward, you know 00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:46.420 Oh boy. 00:29:47.060 --> 00:29:48.660 I was on mute, I'm sorry. 00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:49.940 Oh, there we go. 00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:50.500 There we go. 00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:51.940 Same shit, right there. 00:29:51.940 --> 00:29:53.380 Podcasting professionals here. 00:29:53.620 --> 00:29:54.100 Exactly. 00:29:54.980 --> 00:29:56.740