1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,600 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,600 And my name is Bri. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,600 We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Get comfy. 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Hello world. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,160 Hello. 11 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:46,280 You'll be happy to know that today we are recording in a room that's not 9,000 degrees. 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Nine hundred twenty five thousand six hundred minutes. 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Have I made that one before? 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 I don't think you have. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,480 Is that the actual right numbers? 16 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:54,520 I'm pretty sure. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,520 I always get them wrong. 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,200 I try and sing it and I'm like four thousand seven hundred and eighty thousand. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,560 No, I lost it. 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,320 I'm not even sure what I just sang. 21 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:06,320 That's from Rent, right? 22 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:07,320 Girl, I don't know. 23 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:10,200 I'm pretty sure it's from Rent. 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Where have I heard it from though? 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Glee. 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Is that what it is? 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,440 Oh great. 28 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,400 Yeah, but like it's just a song that everybody knows. 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Have you rewatched Glee in recent years? 30 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:25,880 I think during the lockdown I rewatched it and I couldn't make it all the way through. 31 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,880 It's so bad. 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,080 I got to like the last season or two. 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,000 Yeah, it was bad. 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,760 I don't remember most of this stuff, but the teacher is horrifying on every level. 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Oh, a hundred percent terrible. 36 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,760 He's a predator. 37 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,760 He's a predator. 38 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:40,760 Everybody's a predator in there. 39 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:41,760 Yeah, it's bad. 40 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,760 And they're like, it's okay. 41 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Because we're singing. 42 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,120 We're singing and it's Glee. 43 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,120 That happens with thespians. 44 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,400 The poor thespians out there. 45 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,400 I'm sorry. 46 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,320 I support you thespians. 47 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,280 We just went and saw Shrek the musical actually. 48 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,280 We did. 49 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,280 It was great. 50 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Well, it was good. 51 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,280 It was a fun time. 52 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,280 It was a fun time. 53 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,360 It was not my favorite performance I've ever seen. 54 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,520 No, because they changed a lot of it. 55 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,520 Yeah. 56 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,640 They really pushed to make it, I would say politically correct. 57 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,720 Which is a rough thing to do with Shrek. 58 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,520 With Shrek. 59 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,680 Let's all keep in mind, it's Shrek. 60 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:27,520 The whole thing is about being weird and not fitting in and not caring. 61 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,720 I have a lot of gas. 62 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,520 It has never been tame. 63 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,520 No. 64 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:39,160 You know what I kind of wondered actually was if, because we went to a midday show. 65 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,460 Now the tickets didn't say this, but I wonder if there's a possibility that the midday show 66 00:02:43,460 --> 00:02:47,600 was made more for kids and the evening show might have been more normal. 67 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,600 I don't know. 68 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,940 They still sang that one song. 69 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:51,940 Which one? 70 00:02:51,940 --> 00:02:52,940 Why me? 71 00:02:52,940 --> 00:02:53,940 Thank you for that. 72 00:02:53,940 --> 00:03:01,360 I don't want to cuss on the podcast. 73 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,360 Not today. 74 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Not today? 75 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,080 Do other people know that that's like our tagline? 76 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,440 We say it all the time in real life, but I think we've only said it once or twice on 77 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,440 the podcast. 78 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,440 It came from the podcast. 79 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,240 It did, but it's not a running joke. 80 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,600 I said it at work the other day and they did not react. 81 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,280 That's because they don't listen. 82 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,280 That's true. 83 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,280 Tell them not to listen. 84 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Ahem, out there. 85 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Co-workers. 86 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,040 My co-workers are spread across the globe and I don't actually know who they are, so. 87 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,360 That's so sad for you. 88 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,360 It's really not. 89 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,600 I'm okay with it. 90 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,240 So today we're going to be talking about, this is one of our mini episodes. 91 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,040 If you've ever tuned into one of these before, they're kind of just us talking. 92 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,040 It's us talking about current events, things that are going on, things that we feel are 93 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,640 necessary to sing about. 94 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,800 Frankly, mostly it's things Brie saw on TikTok. 95 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,240 A hundred percent. 96 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,240 And this is one of them. 97 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,240 It is. 98 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Last mini episode was something I saw on TikTok. 99 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,200 They're all something you see on TikTok. 100 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,720 Listen, I'm current. 101 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,600 I'm on the social medias. 102 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,260 I'm scrolling all night long. 103 00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:12,120 So this week on TikTok, Brie has been watching ballerinas. 104 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Ballerinas. 105 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,120 When I was a kid, that's what I wanted to be. 106 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,100 I wanted to be a ballerina teacher. 107 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,040 We took all of two dance classes in our entire lives. 108 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,040 Yep. 109 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,520 I don't think that was an option for you. 110 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:25,960 But I was convinced. 111 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,800 Because I was my teacher's favorite because I was the cutest. 112 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,760 Well, I got to dance with the Easter bunny at the mall. 113 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,200 I remember that. 114 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,720 Wow, that took me back. 115 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Yeah, because I was a favorite. 116 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,280 They don't even have malls anymore. 117 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:42,280 They have. 118 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:44,600 I've been watching YouTube videos about that. 119 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,600 They're all abandoned. 120 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,880 It's actually really spooky. 121 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,080 Honestly, all of the malls that I've been to lately have garbage stores in them. 122 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,280 It's like croissant sandwiches that all have fruit flies. 123 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,000 And like board games and calendars. 124 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 What? 125 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,340 There's a whole store dedicated to board games and calendars. 126 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:08,720 And I've seen it at multiple malls. 127 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,440 Are enough people buying board games and calendars? 128 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,440 No. 129 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,440 And they're overpriced. 130 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:14,920 I feel like maybe there's money laundering. 131 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,000 Maybe that's what's happening. 132 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 That definitely could be. 133 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Conspiracies. 134 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Dun-dun. 135 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 All right, now back to normal TikTok. 136 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,880 All right, so I've been watching TikTok. 137 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,860 Who here has heard of Ballerina Farm? 138 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:29,760 They can't see you raising your hand. 139 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,500 I'm raising my hand. 140 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:35,680 And only because I just heard about her, not because I've heard about her before. 141 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:43,200 But Ballerina Farm is this TikTok and Instagram account run by Hannah Neelman. 142 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,600 But it's also an actual functioning farm out of Utah. 143 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,720 I wrote down where in. 144 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,440 I think Utah is sufficient. 145 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,560 Utah is sufficient because I can't read my own writing. 146 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,800 But this girl, Hannah Neelman, a little bit of a backstory for her. 147 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,720 She was studying to be a ballerina at Juilliard back in the day. 148 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,920 I don't know when. 149 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,360 Prior to 2018, I'm going to say. 150 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,360 All right. 151 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,520 Well, she's got like eight kids. 152 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,520 So yeah. 153 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Hey, sorry. 154 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,520 Don't spoil it. 155 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,400 I'm sorry I spoiled it. 156 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:25,600 So she was a ballerina at Juilliard when she came upon this man named Daniel Neelman. 157 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,760 And he is the son of David Neelman, who's the founder of JetBlue. 158 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,440 He wanted to date her. 159 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,840 She said no for like six months. 160 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,120 Eventually, he stalked her. 161 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Yeah, I don't want to say he fully stalked her, but he did figure out that she was flying 162 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,240 from New York to Salt Lake City and bought a plane ticket that was directly next to her. 163 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,920 You know, super creepy, super creepy. 164 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,280 And they ended up going on a date. 165 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:57,560 And she said, I would like to date for a year, which is a normal amount of time for she's 166 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,680 she grew up Mormon. 167 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,980 They're both Mormon. 168 00:06:59,980 --> 00:07:04,440 It's a traditional amount of time for someone of that faith to 169 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,960 Plus they're very young at this point. 170 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Oh, yeah. 171 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,960 She hasn't even graduated college. 172 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Right. 173 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:09,960 She wanted to date for a year. 174 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:10,960 He said pass. 175 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,280 He's only two years older than her. 176 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,440 But he was like, I need to be married and engaged now. 177 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,420 So they were engaged after a month. 178 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:23,200 After two months, they were married. 179 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:29,360 And after I think three months, they were having they were expecting their first child. 180 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Quick turnaround time. 181 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Quick turnaround. 182 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,960 She birthed her first son and then graduated. 183 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,920 And then they moved to Brazil for his job. 184 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,140 And then she popped out a couple more kids in Brazil. 185 00:07:43,140 --> 00:07:45,560 Now she has a total of eight kids. 186 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:51,260 She is homesteading running this farm with her husband in Utah. 187 00:07:51,260 --> 00:07:52,600 They have a website. 188 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,640 They sell all their meat, eggs, milk on a website, etc. 189 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,640 I don't know. 190 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,800 I don't know how farms work, but she's super popular on TikTok and Instagram. 191 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,320 Between those two platforms, she has over 18 million followers. 192 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,960 She also got really popular because with her last daughter, she had two due dates. 193 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,120 So she had her actual due date when she was supposed to birth that kid. 194 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:26,320 And then two weeks, I think, after she birthed that kid, she was in a pageant because she 195 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,840 does pageants. 196 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,060 So she was Mrs. American 2023. 197 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:34,720 And then she participated in Mrs. World. 198 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,980 And that was in January 2024. 199 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:40,040 So she had her kid and then boom was in this pageant. 200 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Ouch. 201 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,040 Yeah. 202 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,880 I guess they didn't realize that maybe this is going to sound bad, but that they had pageants 203 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,240 for middle aged women. 204 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,120 Yeah, Mrs. I guess. 205 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Yeah. 206 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,760 I wouldn't call her middle aged. 207 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,640 It depends on how long she's planning on living. 208 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,120 She's older than us, I think. 209 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,800 Well, I hope so. 210 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,640 With eight children, I can't imagine having it. 211 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,480 But if she started that young, she's probably not that much older than us. 212 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,660 She might be your age. 213 00:09:10,660 --> 00:09:17,760 As a personal story, shut up. 214 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:24,700 As a personal story, our great grandmother got married when she was 14 and started popping 215 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:25,700 out kids very quickly. 216 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:32,040 So to us, eight kids anywhere near the age group that we're in is insane. 217 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:37,640 But you look at that just a couple of generations ago and she had, I'm not sure how many kids 218 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,640 there were. 219 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,640 A lot. 220 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:40,640 A lot of kids. 221 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,640 Very, very young. 222 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:47,680 I mean, by the time she hit my age, she had all of her kids. 223 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,680 You could be a grandmother. 224 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,240 Shut up. 225 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,120 I've been bringing up my birthday lately, so I'm going to bring up yours. 226 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:01,800 I know that this is ridiculous at my age and you all will never know what it is. 227 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,880 I think we've actually said it before. 228 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:09,960 It's a mystery that will remain a mystery at my 97 years of age. 229 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,400 People like my friends around my age saying that they're having babies, starting a family, 230 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,400 yada, yada, yada. 231 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,400 I'm like, whoa! 232 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,400 And I'm old. 233 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,960 I had kids so many years ago. 234 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,880 It should be normal, but my brain still can't wrap around it. 235 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,160 I'm like, you can do that. 236 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,160 You're still a kid. 237 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,560 Well, some of us are still kids. 238 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:36,640 Some of us are as immature as kids. 239 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,480 And I'm talking about myself. 240 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:49,720 So the controversy with Hannah came about through an article and it was, I believe, 241 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,960 the UK Times. 242 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,240 I just heard it was The Times. 243 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,920 I think it was the UK Times. 244 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Megan Agnaw is the author. 245 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Journalist. 246 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Okay. 247 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:00,880 The writer. 248 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:01,880 The interviewer. 249 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:02,880 The person. 250 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:08,960 So she went and sat with the family and I think spent a couple days there. 251 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Just one day. 252 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:10,960 I think so. 253 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:16,880 And just kind of observed them, as you do if you're writing an article on someone. 254 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,480 She interviewed them. 255 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,680 She watched them live their lives. 256 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:28,880 And then went back and wrote an article that has become very controversial. 257 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,000 And this just came out. 258 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,520 So July 20th, 2024 is when this article came out. 259 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:42,920 So the article strongly implied, I'm going to say, that Hannah had given up her life 260 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,440 dreams of being a ballerina. 261 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,940 She wanted to be a professional dancer. 262 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:54,120 And she chose not to do that so that she could follow her husband where he wanted to go, 263 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,360 farm because that's what he wanted to do, and have eight babies because that's what 264 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,160 was expected of her, whether from her family or her religion or her husband. 265 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:10,680 One of the pieces that I saw said that she, and this is not that relevant, but I just 266 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,320 thought it was hilarious. 267 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,480 She was like, you know, we got married and we talked about having kids and we both want 268 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,720 kids because I guess they both come from families of like nine children. 269 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,020 And so they want a big family. 270 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:26,480 And she was like, we just left it up to God. 271 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Whenever God wanted to give us children, that was fine. 272 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,840 And God created anatomy and biology, sister. 273 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,080 Do you know how that works? 274 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Well, she goes, we didn't expect it just a couple months later. 275 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,760 I was like, once again, have you had the conversation of the birds and the beast? 276 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Right? 277 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Did we not talk about this? 278 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Come on. 279 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Now, I understand that hyper religious families don't necessarily teach sex ed super well, 280 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,600 but I think after the first three, you might figure something out. 281 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Seriously, birth control. 282 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,280 And you know, if you want a huge family, there's nothing wrong with that at all. 283 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,880 Have all the babies that you want to have. 284 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,640 But to say, well, we just, we left it in God's hands, but we didn't expect it so soon. 285 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,680 You're going to end up like the Duggars. 286 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:14,760 Come on. 287 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,760 They still want more kids. 288 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,120 They've said they want more kids. 289 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,800 But Hannah has part of her social media presence is that she is, they call her the queen of 290 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,000 the trad wives. 291 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,920 That was the name of the article too. 292 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Yeah. 293 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:34,280 And that's where a lot of the controversy lies is that she is on social media, on YouTube, 294 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:42,200 promoting this very domestic, very male centered lifestyle. 295 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,800 Where I watched a couple of her videos and she makes dinner. 296 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,960 There's so many people at the table. 297 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,160 They all eat, they destroy everything. 298 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,560 And then the kids go off and they do whatever they're going to do. 299 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:55,560 He disappears. 300 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,360 I don't know where he went. 301 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,720 And she has to sit there and clean everything. 302 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,640 And from what I can tell, hand wash everything because they're homesteaders. 303 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,040 So she's hand washing all the dishes. 304 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,360 She's putting everything away and it's a time lapse. 305 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 So you can see nobody's coming in to help her. 306 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,200 And at one point she's also holding the baby while doing the dishes, while dealing with 307 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,400 all of this stuff. 308 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,360 You're telling me her husband couldn't come and hold the baby. 309 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Well, he was dealing with seven others maybe, but those others are doing their own thing. 310 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,640 That's the rest of the video is the kids. 311 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Don't get me wrong with nine children, there's going to be a lot of chaos. 312 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,120 Is it eight? 313 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,120 I'm sorry. 314 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Eight children. 315 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,120 There's going to be a lot of chaos. 316 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,120 Less chaos than nine perhaps, but still quite a lot. 317 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:45,920 I think it's just really difficult because you are so wildly outnumbered. 318 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:51,600 One of the things that came out of that article was, now this seems very foreign to me, but 319 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,040 the idea of having nannies. 320 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:59,560 They have billions of dollars, they have tons and tons of money and tons and tons of children. 321 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,920 And people were like, well, why don't you get some nannies? 322 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Gosh dang it. 323 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Well, the husband is very against nannies. 324 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,640 So people were like, but Hannah's raising all eight on her own. 325 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,640 And it's like, they are her children. 326 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:13,640 So yes. 327 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:21,240 But something that he said in response in the article that, I don't know how to say 328 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,240 her name, Agnew. 329 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,240 I think it's Agnew. 330 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,240 In the article we're discussing. 331 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,480 In the article that we're discussing, she writes that Hannah cares for all eight children 332 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,160 without the help of a nanny. 333 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:42,840 And her husband, Daniel, told Agnew, the journalist, that quote, Hannah sometimes becomes so ill 334 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,120 from exhaustion that she can't get out of bed for a week. 335 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:52,960 Which is crazy to me because not only is she caring for all these children, they also, 336 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,000 a homeschool to my knowledge. 337 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,840 I think they might bring someone in to help with the homeschooling, but regardless, those 338 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 kids are always in the house. 339 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,980 And she is cooking clean and doing all of that. 340 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:07,200 But she also runs the farm. 341 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,900 So she's taking care of, like, they have chickens and they have, they just started a dairy. 342 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:14,520 It's a full blown fricking farm. 343 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,840 And also she manages her social media accounts, which is a ton of work. 344 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,560 And it does bring in money. 345 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,560 But that is a ton of work. 346 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,440 The girl never stops. 347 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,960 I think my response as the husband would be like, girl, sit down. 348 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,120 Let's calm down. 349 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Let's order a pizza. 350 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,240 Can I make dinner instead? 351 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,840 Or not even, forget that. 352 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,040 Don't ask. 353 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,300 Just start making dinner. 354 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:47,940 It's not something to brag about that your wife is so exhausted from life. 355 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,540 From her life. 356 00:16:49,540 --> 00:16:52,680 That she can't get out of bed for a week. 357 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,680 That's sad. 358 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,560 At the end of the day, it is abuse. 359 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,840 That's what it is. 360 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,280 And now Hannah has come out with some statements after the fact that I think it's important 361 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:10,400 to address and talk about because she says that the article presented things in a very 362 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,440 untrue light. 363 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:19,340 And that she's not being abused, that she made these decisions for herself on her own. 364 00:17:19,340 --> 00:17:21,800 She didn't just make them to make him happy. 365 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,800 And that she loves the life that she has. 366 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,800 She loves her kids. 367 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,800 She loves raising them. 368 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,980 She did a video and then she also did an article, like a blog on their website. 369 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:38,680 And I want to say that we are not criticizing anyone that wants to be a stay at home mom. 370 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Anyone that wants to have eight children. 371 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,760 I know we make it sound like it's so overwhelming, but my gosh, it's got to be overwhelming for 372 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,760 me personally. 373 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,760 I cannot imagine. 374 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:52,560 But if that is what you want, if that's where you feel like God is leading you, go for it. 375 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,680 If you want to have a farm and turn your own butter, more power to you. 376 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,920 Absolutely. 377 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,560 No issues with that. 378 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,560 No shade. 379 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,560 Do your thing. 380 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,560 No shade. 381 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,560 No shame. 382 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:11,560 I think the problem in this instance lies in choice. 383 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Did she have a choice? 384 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:20,680 One of the people that I was listening to, she said, can you give up your own agency? 385 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,760 Can you say to someone else, you have full power and control over me from here on out? 386 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,440 To me that sounds unbiblical. 387 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,200 Because you're putting that person before God at the end of the day. 388 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,200 God made you. 389 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,200 He cares about you. 390 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,440 He cares about that other person too, but that to me seems like it's a not okay thing 391 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,440 to do. 392 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,960 I'm very 50 shades and that freaks me out. 393 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,640 Well, I think that falls under, I don't know if you guys have ever seen this, but there's 394 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:58,520 a very famous depiction from the, it's from Bill Gothard, who was like a famous very, 395 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,120 very conservative horrifying. 396 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:01,120 Bill! 397 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,120 Not that Bill. 398 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:06,840 I hate you so I always will. 399 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,320 And it's an umbrella. 400 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:14,560 So at the top there's God and God, I don't know, is there. 401 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:15,560 And then there's- 402 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Wow, this is descriptive. 403 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,560 Shut up. 404 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,840 Maybe we'll post a picture of it. 405 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,720 There's an umbrella and it's God. 406 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,880 And so God is like overlapping everybody. 407 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,920 And then there's a slightly smaller umbrella and that's the husband. 408 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,920 And there's a slightly smaller umbrella and that's the wife. 409 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,600 And there's a slightly smaller umbrella and that's the kids. 410 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,600 You can look it up, it'll make more sense. 411 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,320 But that's what it reminds me of, is like I'm going to put my husband on this pedestal 412 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:49,920 where he protects me and I assume that he is following what God wants both of us to 413 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,920 do. 414 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,520 As opposed to me having my own choice, my own agency and saying, well this is what God 415 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:02,080 is telling me that I need or that our kids need or that we need. 416 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Like sometimes it's okay to say, God is telling me this for both of us, what's he telling 417 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,480 you? 418 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Communication? 419 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,480 What? 420 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,480 Miracles. 421 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:17,400 So I think it's such an interesting concept to think, can you make a decision in your 422 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:25,760 life, the choice to get married to a particular person, that says you get to control me forever. 423 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,520 You get to tell me what to do, you get to tell me that I can't have a nanny, you get 424 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,160 to tell me whether I can have an epidural or not, because that's another controversy 425 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,280 that was in the article. 426 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,160 You can tell me where we're going to live and whether I'm going to leave my career and 427 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,160 all of these things. 428 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,440 Is that okay? 429 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Are we as a society okay with one decision defining all of those things for somebody? 430 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,280 And obviously we can't step in for her, she's going to make the decisions she's going to 431 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:02,120 make, but when it comes to allowing her to be an influencer, someone that influences 432 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:06,440 young girls, young boys, are we okay with that? 433 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,920 I'm not okay with that. 434 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,920 Yeah. 435 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,920 I mean she's influencing 18 million people. 436 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,920 That is a lot of people. 437 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,920 That's a lot of people. 438 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:23,360 And one of the other things that I wanted to talk about too is her situation in life. 439 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:32,600 The tradwife movement idealizes stay at home moms and traditional marriage, which means 440 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,080 female submission, which means men make the decisions, etc. etc. 441 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,040 We talk about it all the time. 442 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:47,040 And in making that the ideal position for a woman, it's easy to do when you're a millionaire. 443 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,120 She married into a millionaire family. 444 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,560 I don't know their net worth. 445 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,440 I don't know, but they're loaded. 446 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,920 I mean they own a whole airline. 447 00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,920 Lots of people own planes. 448 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:04,560 They own an airline. 449 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:10,600 And when you have that kind of money, you have a lot of freedom. 450 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:18,900 If she chooses to divorce this man someday because he is whatever, because if she decides 451 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:24,840 that this is an abusive situation or whatever, that she leaves him, number one, she's probably 452 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,160 going to get a solid divorce settlement. 453 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,320 She's going to get a lot of money out of this. 454 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,240 Number two, she has a social media following. 455 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 So she really does have a job that she's going to make money at. 456 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,640 Financially, she's doing okay while saying, be a stay at home mom. 457 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,640 Quit your job. 458 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,640 You don't need to make money. 459 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,920 She's making all kinds of money. 460 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,360 Other women in less financially stable situations. 461 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:53,160 Her influences. 462 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Yes. 463 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Let's say they follow what she does and they quit their jobs and they are fully financially 464 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,320 dependent on their spouse. 465 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,060 Now they don't have the option to leave. 466 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:12,980 If he becomes abusive, if he abuses his power, she can't leave. 467 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:15,800 She can, but it's going to be very difficult. 468 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,920 She's going to have to look to family. 469 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,680 She's going to have to look to charities. 470 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,680 She's going to have to look to a lot of places to help financially support her in this divorce 471 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,680 situation. 472 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,680 Right. 473 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:33,760 Whereas, if she had a stable job, if she had some independence, if she had a community 474 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,280 outside of her husband. 475 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:43,960 Or the people that she was looking to be influenced from encouraged her to be strong, to not just 476 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,600 make decisions because a man or someone else told you to do so. 477 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,600 You are strong. 478 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,600 You are valued. 479 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,800 You are worth more. 480 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Maybe she would make a different choice. 481 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,600 And I'm not saying, again, again and again and again. 482 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:04,580 If your choice is to be a homemaker, if that's something that you feel God is calling you 483 00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:06,560 to do, awesome. 484 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,480 Do it. 485 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,160 But I think don't hold it up as the gold standard for all women. 486 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,720 For all women. 487 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Just because you're a woman means that you must enjoy cooking and cleaning and birthing 488 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,280 babies without epidurals. 489 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,640 No one enjoys birthing babies. 490 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,800 I mean, maybe there's like two people that do, but it is a bad time. 491 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,200 Okay, we got to talk about why we're talking about this though, because she has had eight 492 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,960 children. 493 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,720 And the interviewer was talking to her and she's like, so you had all of these without 494 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,880 any epidurals, any pain medication, whatever, yada yada yada. 495 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,880 And she's like, yes. 496 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,600 And her husband had left the room at that point and she whispered to the interviewer, 497 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,400 she was like, except for one of her daughters, I think her name was Martha, because she actually 498 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,400 had her at a hospital. 499 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,760 She's like, I had an epidural with that one because I ran two weeks late and she was a 500 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,880 10 pound baby and it was the best experience ever. 501 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,120 And Daniel was gone. 502 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,480 And she specifically mentioned her husband wasn't there. 503 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,600 She had an epidural and it was the best birthing experience of her life. 504 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:20,520 Well I believe she's made a statement about that particular part of the article too. 505 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,440 And she said, she didn't whisper it because he left the room and he didn't want her to 506 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720 hear him because that's how the article made it sound. 507 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,680 She said, I whispered because he got a phone call and so he left the room and I didn't 508 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,280 want to bother his phone call. 509 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,240 No, I can't sit here and say, oh yeah, absolutely. 510 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,600 She's lying. 511 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,160 I can't do that. 512 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,940 That doesn't sound the most logical to me, simply because his phone call is a whole lot 513 00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:49,400 less important than your interview. 514 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,080 And why would you feel the need to mention it at all that your husband was gone for that 515 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,080 birth? 516 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,080 Right. 517 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,840 I would just be like, yeah, except for this 10 pound baby that I had to push out, I had 518 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,080 to get drugged up for that one. 519 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,000 And the concept behind that is that he believes in natural birth, correct? 520 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,400 I don't really know. 521 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,200 I'm making assumptions that he does. 522 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,880 I don't really think he gets a choice. 523 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:24,400 Well, if he's not pushing it out his Vagene, then that's what kills me is women, whatever 524 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,320 birthing experience you want to have, it is your decision. 525 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,920 If you want to stay at home and have your baby in a bathtub, as long as you have some 526 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,360 medical professionals there, please, please do that for me. 527 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,900 But do it like do that. 528 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:43,400 That is your experience. 529 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,600 You have had to carry this child for nine months. 530 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,360 You have to push it out of your body. 531 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,600 It's a bad time. 532 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,600 Yeah. 533 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,600 So do it however you want to do it. 534 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,000 If you want to do it in a hospital with 45 doctors and an epidural, that would be my 535 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,000 recommendation. 536 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000 45. 537 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 45. 538 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 No nurses, all doctors. 539 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,880 Actually, the nurses are way better. 540 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800 I trust the nurses. 541 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,400 I had a midwife for my son and it was great. 542 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,800 She was wonderful. 543 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,840 She was so kind and helpful the whole time. 544 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,840 So maybe midwives. 545 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Maybe that's the way to go. 546 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,840 I didn't like her. 547 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,000 You didn't like the one that was there when I had him. 548 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:29,700 All I know is I was forced to hold a leg and now I will never have children. 549 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:31,240 Adoption is always an option for you. 550 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,580 A big fan of adoption. 551 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:38,720 I feel like something that was brought up through this article coming out through all 552 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,800 of the drama is women have dreams. 553 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,760 I don't know if you noticed, but women and men both equally have dreams. 554 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:53,360 More often than not in our society, it seems like women are forced to balance their dreams 555 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:59,400 with maybe their family's dreams and pick which ones work best for them. 556 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,800 Usually, they put their family first. 557 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:13,840 You don't really see that a lot with men because their jobs are to do their nine to five. 558 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,840 That's their dream. 559 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,360 Their dream is their job, not their family. 560 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,640 Whereas women are told their dreams are their family. 561 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,920 I think we can tie that really nicely into a TikTok that Brie made recently. 562 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,920 It's great. 563 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,920 You guys should go watch it. 564 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,720 I highly encourage not watching it. 565 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,040 There was a statement made about… 566 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,160 I'm not going to mention any names because I just don't want to deal with that, but 567 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920 one politician made a statement about another politician. 568 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Oh, well listen, tell me more. 569 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,840 He called her… 570 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,800 It was a middle-aged man, right? 571 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,760 He called her a single cat lady? 572 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320 What was the exact statement? 573 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,320 Childless cat lady. 574 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,320 Childless cat lady. 575 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,320 Childless cat lady. 576 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,760 And when I heard that, and I don't really think it matters what side of the political 577 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,800 spectrum you fall on, would you ever say that about a man who had focused on his career? 578 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,440 Oh, that's a childless cat man. 579 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,280 Why is it an insult for someone to be childless? 580 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,580 I have no tiny clue. 581 00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:23,120 It is not. 582 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:30,520 She made a choice to focus on her dreams, her career, what she wanted out of life, and 583 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:37,400 that is as valid as a woman making a choice to have children and make that her goal. 584 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,000 You don't get to judge someone based on that choice specifically. 585 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640 You don't know the backstory of it either. 586 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,720 Maybe she's not able to. 587 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,200 And regardless, whether it was the ability to or whether it was a choice on her part, 588 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,200 it's none of your business. 589 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,080 None of your business. 590 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:05,240 And her ability to bear children has nothing to do with her ability to lead. 591 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,280 Any women. 592 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,280 Not just her. 593 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,280 All women. 594 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Right. 595 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Yeah, and I think we're not trying to make a political statement here. 596 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,960 We're simply trying to make a statement about women because our value is so often tied to 597 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:24,000 our ability to or choice to have children and raise them and homestead and do all, you 598 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,080 know, cook and clean and do all of these things that we see these TradWive influencers doing. 599 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:39,320 And the fact that it's coming out as an insult in such a public political arena is so disheartening. 600 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:47,400 I feel like I feel more enraged just because I am childless. 601 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,400 You're not a cat lady though. 602 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,400 I'm not a cat. 603 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,280 I don't really like cats. 604 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:58,080 But just the thought that someone thinks that my value is any less because I don't have 605 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,080 children. 606 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,040 I get that question constantly. 607 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,380 When are you having kids? 608 00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:05,640 When are you going to start birthing kids? 609 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,000 But my value is not tied to my, if any, future children. 610 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Right. 611 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000 You know? 612 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Yeah. 613 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,680 You hope that because we talk about things from a Christian perspective. 614 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,640 We talk about things from the church world and whatever. 615 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,160 And there's a part of me that because we're a little bit insulated and we talk about specifically 616 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,340 this feminism concept within the church, you have this hope that all of this misogyny and 617 00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:33,840 garbage is not happening in the greater world. 618 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:41,600 And that's why it's so important that we're speaking out about it still. 619 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,840 You think like, okay, Susan B. Anthony did her job way back in the day. 620 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,480 It was Susan B. Anthony, right? 621 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480 She's one of them. 622 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,080 But it is still happening today. 623 00:31:53,080 --> 00:32:00,720 And I think we want, this is the legacy that we leave is being able to speak out and Susan 624 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,160 B. Anthony could take one step, but she couldn't take the amount of steps that we can take. 625 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,240 And then her daughter could take an extra step and her daughter could take another one. 626 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:15,320 And so it's important that we not forget that the world is still not perfect, that misogyny 627 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,880 is still out there, that patriarchy is still out there and happening to so many women. 628 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:28,020 And so we continue to take those steps forward because feminism isn't women should be above 629 00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:31,280 everyone else and let's have a matriarchy. 630 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,280 It's equality. 631 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,280 Can we finally just have equality? 632 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,280 Please. 633 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,280 Like I said, that's hard. 634 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,280 I saw a TikTok that, oh, shock. 635 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,280 And we're ending on TikTok. 636 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,200 The other day, there was like, instead of asking someone if they're a feminist, we should 637 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,200 start asking people if they're misogynist. 638 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,440 Because we should just assume that people are. 639 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,440 Oh my gosh. 640 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,840 Like you're for equality, right? 641 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Oh, are you not? 642 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,240 I think that's hilarious. 643 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,240 All right. 644 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,880 So guys, your homework for the week. 645 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,880 Yeah. 646 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,880 What? 647 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,880 And ask someone if they're misogynist. 648 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,880 Oh boy. 649 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,280 Our daughters daughters will adore us. 650 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,520 That's really stuck in my head right now. 651 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,520 I don't believe you. 652 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,520 Okay. 653 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,320 So next week we are going to be starting. 654 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,720 I don't even want to call this series a two parter. 655 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,400 Oh, the best thing's always coming to me. 656 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,400 What? 657 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,120 I think you never liked. 658 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,840 You're so weird. 659 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,980 So we're going to talk about our different roles in the church. 660 00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:46,200 So Bree's going to be up first because I decided that she has to go first. 661 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,360 I'm the oldest I get to decide. 662 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,360 What? 663 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,720 We've had so many podcasts about that not being true. 664 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,360 So she's going to talk about singleness in the church and what that looks like for her 665 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,360 from her perspective. 666 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,640 I'll still be here, but mostly she has to talk. 667 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,640 Honestly, she can leave. 668 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,480 She has no idea. 669 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,480 I really don't. 670 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,000 I got married when I was 21. 671 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,840 And then we'll have a week of a mini episode that we have yet to decide about because those 672 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,080 are supposed to be current events. 673 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,440 And then we'll do me talking about being married in the church and what that looks like. 674 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,160 So we hope you guys can get out. 675 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,800 I have no idea. 676 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960 So we hope you guys will tune in for those. 677 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000 I think those will be really fun and interesting to talk about. 678 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 Very informative. 679 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,680 I don't know if fun is going to be the answer. 680 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,200 I always say fun. 681 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,400 Fun is not. 682 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,600 I don't know that any of this is fun. 683 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,560 Fun meaning may make you cry. 684 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:54,200 Alright, so if you want to cry later, I had about two weeks. 685 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,200 Tune in. 686 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,200 Tune in. 687 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600 One more thing that I wanted to say. 688 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,160 Last week we said we were going to challenge ourselves every week to grow our listener 689 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,900 base and we asked you guys if you would share with anybody that you knew in Canada. 690 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,080 And we saw Canada pop up just this morning. 691 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:18,520 I'm so excited and just so honored and blessed that you guys wanted to share like that. 692 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,880 So this week I think our challenge is going to be anybody that knows anyone in Australia. 693 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,920 We would love to see that little flag pop up on there. 694 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,020 I think that would be super fun. 695 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:29,160 So please do share it with them. 696 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,160 Please do share it with anybody that you think would be interested in our faith and feminism 697 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,160 topic. 698 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:40,320 Additionally, yesterday we hit a thousand downloads and we are so beyond excited about 699 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,480 that. 700 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,480 My daughter made us a sign. 701 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,480 It was super cute. 702 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,560 And we're just, I don't know, super blessed that you guys want to be on this journey with 703 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:54,740 us and we hope that you'll continue to hang out in the future and listen to more crazy 704 00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:56,840 fun things that we have to say. 705 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,840 Not fun. 706 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,720 Crazy intense things that we have to say. 707 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,640 Alright, well we'll see you guys later. 708 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640 We're going to go eat some dinner. 709 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,640 Oh, I'm so hungry. 710 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,640 I made bread. 711 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,640 Thank you. 712 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,640 You tried my... 713 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,640 Shut up. 714 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,640 Okay, goodbye.