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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Oh

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what is up everybody and welcome to the

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united states department of nerds where we

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are for the people by the people and

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of the people today's episode is about

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something bigger than comics it's about

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building something from nothing because

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joining us tonight is a creator coming out

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of colombia pushing into the global space

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and building his own universe one

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character at a time

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From Draco and Sambos Incorporated,

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we're talking about the grind, the vision,

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and what it really takes to create your

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own line in the indie comic world.

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This isn't just about art.

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This is about ownership, identity,

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and legacy.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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the Council of Nerds is now in session.

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Alejandro, welcome to the USDN.

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hello jeff um it's a pleasure to be

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here um yeah hey dude it is really

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awesome to finally get you on the podcast

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i know you've been scheduled for quite a

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while now and that's just been the nature

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of the podcast for the last couple of

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months is we're booked months in advance

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so i'm happy to get you on and

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to get

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your voice and your work out in front

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of the rest of the world.

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So let's jump into it, man.

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For those who are just now discovering you

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and just meeting you for the first time,

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who are you and where does your story

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begin in comic books?

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Okay, so I am,

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my name is Alejandro and I am thirty-one

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years old and I started in two thousand

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and nine.

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I get in love with manga.

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I started on manga.

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Draw a copy in Night of the Zodiac.

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I don't know if you know the anime.

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I'm not familiar with a whole lot of

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manga.

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Yeah.

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And I started copying and I'm good with

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the storytelling.

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So I challenged myself to create my own

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universe.

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and i i end my school here in

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cali colombia and i started my studies in

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university in fine arts and fine arts give

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me this

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concept,

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this conceptualization that comic needs

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and this semiotic and these matters that

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help on the storytelling.

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And I started from in two thousand

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seventeen,

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my my entrepreneurship called Rake

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Ensemble Inc.

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And yes,

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I started developing my own universe.

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I grew up learning from DC Comics,

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that is my, from the two great brands,

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is the one that I'm more attached to.

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And also with the MCU,

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that I learned to organize a universe,

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that Marvel Cinematic Universe is a

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very...

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It helps you a lot on how to

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organize a universe.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, tell me.

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So growing up in Colombia,

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what was it like for somebody interested

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in comic books and that kind of things?

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What was your access to get comic books

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and manga and things like that?

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Was it readily available?

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Can you go down to the comic book

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shop

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No, no.

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Comics in Colombia is a new thing here.

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So it's very hard to see a comic

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shop like you see in the States or

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in Canada.

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but um there's a lot of people that

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loves the comic uh when the mcu started

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on uh this is started uh boom here

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in colombia okay so there's a lot of

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people that that loves a

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the comic books.

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Colombia has a very good literature things

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with Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

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So we have the passion,

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we have the love for the comics,

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but there's no an industry like Marvel DC

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comic, Dark Horse Image,

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or manga in Japan.

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But

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we are growing we are growing on that

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matter and you're leading the way my man

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with your own line of comic books um

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so what was there a moment where you

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said i'm not just going to draw but

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i'm going to make comic books what was

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when was that for you where you were

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just like i have this talent i'm going

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to use this talent to make comic books

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Well,

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in two thousand and eleven I was more

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younger and I was more immature on how

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the world works and more in the comic

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and art industry.

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and i come to the states and i

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go to disney and and see and i

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watch all the the process of wall disney

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with his industry and i was i and

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i was thinking i i wanted it to

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to make the same and grow my own

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universe.

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And I started,

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before I started drawing comics,

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I started drawing toons,

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like Mickey Mouse and all these things.

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And I started drawing two dragon toons

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that are called Draco ensembles.

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That's why I started,

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And from these characters,

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I grow all my universe.

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That's why it's Drake Ensemble Sync.

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OK.

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Yeah.

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I learn from my own.

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I was...

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I started drawing and improving my skills

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on myself.

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But in... Before I...

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After I ended my studies on Minority,

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I started watching the tutorials of David

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Finch, and James Ray,

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the box office artist.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I get in love with that kind

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of

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of way to draw and how they tell

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stories.

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That's Mark Silvestri's school.

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So I go to that kind of school

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and I started to my own universe.

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So what is Draco and Sambos?

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Draco and Sambos Inc.

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is my own comic brand here in Colombia.

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I'm trying to build an industry like

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Marvel and DC created in the States.

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And I'm trying to build

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an industry independent to the American

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industry or Japanese industry.

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I'm trying to build my own thing and

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helping other new artists here in Colombia

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and tell them that it's possible to work

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on comics,

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create their own brands or or yeah live

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live with it that is right now this

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hard but I'm trying to get an easier

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life in the in the comic industry here

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in Colombia no I like to hear and

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I know before we had gone live a

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friend of mine who was on the podcast

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not long ago with his book he had

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actually flown to

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down to columbia i believe it was columbia

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to meet his artist to go to a

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local shop like a small comic shop to

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do a sign-in of the book that they

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had did together so it's really cool to

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see

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the industry there growing and for people

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like you creating your own companies to

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help that industry move forward in

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Colombia is to me that's the coolest thing

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ever is taking something that doesn't

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exist there yet

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or it does, but just in small pockets,

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but trying to push it to a bigger

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scale, not just in your hometown,

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but through the whole country.

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And that to me is just really cool

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to see you doing that, man.

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So why just create,

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why create a brand instead of just being

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an artist?

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You could have just been an artist and

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did work for other people.

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Why go all that way to create this

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whole brand

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That's a very good question that I'm still

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asking myself in this entrepreneur

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process,

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but I don't like to copy or work

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with another

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intellectual properties i like to to

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create my own i i i challenge myself

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to create my own characters to to make

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a new thing to innovate on in in

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a comic industry in a global comic

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industry that

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already have Superman, Spider-Man,

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and all these superheroes that we all

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know.

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And I'm trying to create new superheroes,

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new universe that show the audience new

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things and new perspectives from the

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superhero genre and all the genres that

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you can draw in a comic.

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So is all your characters and your IPs,

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are they all within the same universe,

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or are they separate?

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I have two lines that are a warrior's

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power that are my superheroes.

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And a school that is a zombie industry.

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Zombie universe, sorry.

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Zombie universe.

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OK.

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So let's jump in and talk about your

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projects that you currently have right

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now.

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Let's talk about Archer of Heat.

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And how did that project come together?

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Because that's the one you had sent to

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me that I got to read.

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And I like it is dude,

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it's just this cool new concept that I've

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not had a chance to read something like

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it before.

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So how did that come about?

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And how did you put that together?

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Okay,

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I create these characters in my school

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time.

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When I was in school,

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I get inspired by my classmates and

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myself.

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So I create with the personification of

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the character.

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of my classmates,

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I create superheroes like their own

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identity,

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superhero identity from themselves.

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So from a girl classmate,

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I create this Archer of Heat,

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this Captain Joel.

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I developed her universe,

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I create another ones and I create my

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my comic universe to step-by-step which

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comic I will be releasing,

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which I will be working.

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And so Archer of Heat is a galokinetic

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superheroine, an archer.

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That...

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that I always loved archer superheroes

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like Rean Arrow, Hawkeye,

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like Legolas in the Lord of the Rings.

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So I created her and I developed this

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color kinetic power on her.

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And I love the

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I love that characters have these common

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issues on their life,

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these inside conflicts that make more

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human the characters for the audience get

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attached to it.

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So that's exactly how I create Archer of

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Heat.

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I'm not listening to you, Jeff.

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No, I'm listening to you too far.

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What do you mean?

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Oh, sorry.

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No,

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I had muted myself because I had coughed

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and I didn't want to cough into the

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microphone, so I apologize.

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Don't worry.

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It happens sometimes.

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My cat walked in at the same time,

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so...

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You've been at this now for quite a

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few years.

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What has been some of the important

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lessons that you've learned across this

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journey into comic books?

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What I learned is don't be rushed on

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the process to love every part of the

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process.

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I am a, I have to say,

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I'm a hand drawing comic artist.

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I don't like digital art.

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I prefer a traditional comic art.

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So what I learned is to enjoy the

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process too.

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enjoy the penciling, the inking,

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all this part.

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And I'm the only one working on my

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universe.

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So I write, I draw, I ink,

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and I color my own comics.

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So...

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I haven't learned a lot of the writing

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aspects.

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I learned a lot about the drawing skills.

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And as I told you before,

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I said I love this David Fincher,

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Mark Silvestri style.

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So I love these details that they do

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on their drawings.

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What I learn most is to enjoy the

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process.

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Oh, no, dude.

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I mean, if you're not enjoying it,

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I mean,

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it's kind of like you're cheating yourself

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if you're not enjoying it, right?

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Yes.

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So tell us about some of your other

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projects that you have going on.

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You have Golden Fleet.

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Right now,

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I'm developing the second issue of Archer

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of Heat.

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Okay.

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I'm also preparing the script for my first

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Colombian superhero.

00:19:16.865 --> 00:19:17.506
Oh, okay.

00:19:18.105 --> 00:19:18.806
An anti-hero.

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And I am developing another one.

00:19:27.491 --> 00:19:28.752
doesn't have yet a script,

00:19:29.192 --> 00:19:31.193
but I'm developing another one,

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a Brazilian superhero,

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is that right now we are living in

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a very global world.

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Doesn't matter if you live in Colombia,

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you know what happens on Brazil,

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on the States, on Canada.

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So I'm trying to develop

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characters that not only come from

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Colombia, but it comes from Europe,

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from the States, Colombia, Mexico,

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Argentina, Japan, Africa.

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So they are more superheroes from Earth,

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not from any specific country.

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Okay.

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No, I like it, man.

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I like that you're not just like,

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you're looking at it from a global scale

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and bringing it to life, dude.

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That's really cool to see that you're

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doing that and that's something that you

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are working on.

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Can you kind of walk us through your

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process from your idea to like a finished

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comic page?

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Because you're writing,

00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.401
you're also doing the drawing, the inking,

00:20:44.441 --> 00:20:46.182
the colors, you're doing everything.

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Kind of walk us through that process a

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little bit.

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yeah okay normally before i start a

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process i read a lot i read a

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lot not not only comics i also read

00:21:01.285 --> 00:21:04.790
books and and

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I love the process, for example,

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that use manga.

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The manga normally investigate,

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read a lot, for example, from mythology,

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myths.

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So I read a lot on that.

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And from that, I took the...

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I create my superheroes.

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I also...

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create a concept for the conflict.

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For example, Archer Pit, with her,

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I normally, and his calokinetic powers,

00:22:01.323 --> 00:22:04.566
I try to, with her,

00:22:05.948 --> 00:22:09.070
all his story is from his emotional

00:22:09.750 --> 00:22:12.354
emotional vulnerability.

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So I grow all his story around this

00:22:18.121 --> 00:22:20.784
emotional vulnerability.

00:22:21.104 --> 00:22:23.547
So I tried to do that,

00:22:24.106 --> 00:22:25.969
create a logline with that.

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And I start from them.

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and create the character and the story and

00:22:43.910 --> 00:22:47.310
all the characters around her.

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Also, I think I, and yes,

00:22:52.992 --> 00:22:55.413
that's how I, the writing part.

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And then I, with InDesign,

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I create how I will be a,

00:23:06.183 --> 00:23:08.766
establishing the pages and how I will be

00:23:09.266 --> 00:23:10.247
drawing the panels.

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And from them, I start the layouts,

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the thumbnails,

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and start drawing on my table.

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So do you lay out a storyboard and

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then start the whole process of drawing

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it?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I like it, man.

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I like it.

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So I know you said you prefer...

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Do you do like...

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everything by hand?

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Or do you do the drawing and then

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do you take the picture of the drawing

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and then upload it to your iPad and

00:23:42.642 --> 00:23:43.522
then do the coloring there?

00:23:43.542 --> 00:23:47.125
Or are you just straight colors and all

00:23:47.164 --> 00:23:48.506
on paper the whole night?

00:23:48.526 --> 00:23:49.826
No.

00:23:50.768 --> 00:23:53.388
I only do the drawing and the inking

00:23:53.808 --> 00:23:58.752
on paper by hand and the color in

00:23:58.813 --> 00:24:00.834
Photoshop.

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I scan the drawings and in Photoshop I

00:24:06.193 --> 00:24:06.973
at the colors.

00:24:09.454 --> 00:24:11.494
And I think that's how most people are

00:24:11.535 --> 00:24:13.276
doing it these days anyways.

00:24:13.756 --> 00:24:15.317
I don't know how many people are actually

00:24:15.497 --> 00:24:16.977
inking, or not inking,

00:24:17.017 --> 00:24:19.198
but doing coloring by hand anymore.

00:24:19.938 --> 00:24:21.519
So it's one of those things where I

00:24:21.558 --> 00:24:22.199
kind of feel like,

00:24:22.878 --> 00:24:24.519
I don't want to say people aren't doing

00:24:24.579 --> 00:24:24.720
it,

00:24:24.940 --> 00:24:27.641
but I think it's one of those processes

00:24:27.681 --> 00:24:31.321
that's kind of dying off as new technology

00:24:31.903 --> 00:24:32.843
comes to life.

00:24:34.836 --> 00:24:37.037
I don't think that that is dying.

00:24:37.778 --> 00:24:45.622
I think that also adding this AI growing

00:24:46.041 --> 00:24:50.444
and developing right now is that we are

00:24:50.484 --> 00:24:50.724
going,

00:24:51.505 --> 00:24:54.186
it's the AI and the digital is growing

00:24:54.846 --> 00:24:55.386
so, so,

00:24:55.406 --> 00:25:01.431
so fast that people will get saturated

00:25:01.651 --> 00:25:02.290
very easily.

00:25:05.733 --> 00:25:09.259
drawing by hand or not only drawing a

00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:14.027
painting and all this art that is that

00:25:14.067 --> 00:25:18.554
was normally doing by hand people will be

00:25:20.744 --> 00:25:23.528
We'll be getting back to it lately.

00:25:24.108 --> 00:25:26.951
For example, Snowbird,

00:25:27.413 --> 00:25:29.434
this short film from Aaron Blaze.

00:25:29.875 --> 00:25:33.419
I don't know if you see it.

00:25:33.538 --> 00:25:34.941
I don't honestly get to watch a whole

00:25:34.961 --> 00:25:35.961
lot of TV at all.

00:25:37.124 --> 00:25:38.525
It's a short film from...

00:25:41.174 --> 00:25:49.825
old to the traditional animation artist

00:25:49.884 --> 00:25:55.311
from Disney create his own short film

00:25:57.337 --> 00:25:57.818
By hand.

00:26:00.580 --> 00:26:06.203
And right now it's also winning prizes and

00:26:07.424 --> 00:26:09.246
Academy Awards and all of this.

00:26:10.227 --> 00:26:13.788
So people are trying to return to these

00:26:14.548 --> 00:26:17.270
traditional ways to do.

00:26:18.291 --> 00:26:22.034
So I don't think that is Zion.

00:26:26.036 --> 00:26:26.616
this process.

00:26:27.757 --> 00:26:27.936
No,

00:26:30.018 --> 00:26:32.279
it's one of those where I don't want

00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.141
to see it disappear because like the

00:26:35.201 --> 00:26:36.721
colors and the drawing,

00:26:38.143 --> 00:26:39.804
I think you lose some of the passion

00:26:40.943 --> 00:26:43.586
when you do it through, you know,

00:26:43.945 --> 00:26:45.686
whether it's Photoshop or what have you,

00:26:46.186 --> 00:26:47.607
the passion isn't there.

00:26:48.696 --> 00:26:50.077
you know, when it's done that way.

00:26:50.638 --> 00:26:53.382
So I really do prefer to see things

00:26:53.422 --> 00:26:55.124
done by hand the traditional way.

00:26:56.744 --> 00:26:58.207
So what part of the process do you

00:26:58.666 --> 00:27:04.333
really enjoy the most?

00:27:04.353 --> 00:27:05.733
The pencil and the ink.

00:27:05.773 --> 00:27:05.875
Okay.

00:27:07.817 --> 00:27:11.059
Most of the inking part.

00:27:12.520 --> 00:27:13.682
As I said before,

00:27:14.022 --> 00:27:17.164
I watch a lot of these David Finch,

00:27:17.204 --> 00:27:20.327
Mark Silvestri tutorials and their

00:27:20.387 --> 00:27:20.868
process,

00:27:22.470 --> 00:27:26.294
their lives on YouTube or this process of

00:27:26.354 --> 00:27:28.214
the box office artist, James Race.

00:27:29.537 --> 00:27:33.380
And this obsession with details,

00:27:34.540 --> 00:27:37.263
the inking part is the most that I

00:27:37.304 --> 00:27:38.044
enjoy most.

00:27:39.465 --> 00:27:40.126
Okay.

00:27:40.146 --> 00:27:41.426
So what do you think is actually the

00:27:41.508 --> 00:27:45.790
hardest part about finishing a project?

00:27:45.871 --> 00:27:46.830
Finishing the process.

00:27:49.292 --> 00:27:51.934
It's starting and finishing the process.

00:27:52.494 --> 00:27:53.855
Yeah.

00:27:55.277 --> 00:27:55.596
Yes,

00:27:55.616 --> 00:28:00.901
and normally when you are in a process,

00:28:01.882 --> 00:28:05.503
your mind starts to create a new one,

00:28:05.663 --> 00:28:05.924
so...

00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.483
So you're getting in a position that you

00:28:14.523 --> 00:28:17.986
want to end or stop to create a

00:28:18.006 --> 00:28:18.366
new one.

00:28:20.407 --> 00:28:25.491
And yes, sometimes you get lazy.

00:28:25.672 --> 00:28:26.913
I don't know.

00:28:27.953 --> 00:28:32.457
Human mind is hard sometimes.

00:28:34.246 --> 00:28:37.788
um just so the the hardest part is

00:28:38.048 --> 00:28:40.289
is finishing the process starting and

00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:45.853
finishing the process dude i uh hundred

00:28:45.873 --> 00:28:47.773
percent agree it's the same doing this

00:28:48.334 --> 00:28:50.615
it's one of those where i know i

00:28:50.654 --> 00:28:53.376
have work to get done whether it's

00:28:53.676 --> 00:28:57.538
creating clips or writing questions for an

00:28:57.659 --> 00:28:58.059
interview

00:28:59.190 --> 00:29:03.192
It's one of those sometimes it's like you

00:29:03.212 --> 00:29:05.013
got to give yourself that kick in the

00:29:05.054 --> 00:29:07.516
rear end to get yourself going.

00:29:07.935 --> 00:29:10.278
But then once you're going, you know,

00:29:10.938 --> 00:29:12.980
you can crank them out really fast.

00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:14.701
But, man,

00:29:14.721 --> 00:29:18.022
it's just so hard to get yourself there

00:29:18.083 --> 00:29:18.803
sometimes.

00:29:20.183 --> 00:29:22.445
Sometimes, you know, you have to –

00:29:23.746 --> 00:29:26.029
literally just force yourself into it.

00:29:26.630 --> 00:29:28.173
And it's hard to do.

00:29:29.114 --> 00:29:30.596
I wholeheartedly agree with it.

00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:35.604
So let's talk about a little bit about

00:29:35.763 --> 00:29:38.929
like the social media concept of

00:29:40.355 --> 00:29:42.636
creating because without it,

00:29:43.157 --> 00:29:44.898
we're nowhere, right?

00:29:45.398 --> 00:29:48.121
We rely so heavily on our social media

00:29:48.161 --> 00:29:51.022
to whether it's advertising your

00:29:51.083 --> 00:29:53.805
appearance or advertising an upcoming

00:29:53.845 --> 00:29:55.165
appearance of somebody else.

00:29:57.527 --> 00:29:59.949
Social media is a grind upon itself,

00:30:00.288 --> 00:30:02.450
despite the workload that we are already

00:30:02.549 --> 00:30:06.532
doing in regards to building interviews,

00:30:06.613 --> 00:30:09.013
getting ready for a show and that kind

00:30:09.054 --> 00:30:09.394
of stuff.

00:30:10.637 --> 00:30:13.919
what which like what works for you in

00:30:13.979 --> 00:30:17.339
that in that mind frame of is it

00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.520
instagram is it youtube is it tick tock

00:30:20.580 --> 00:30:22.080
what kind of works for you to help

00:30:22.142 --> 00:30:24.241
bring in people to the projects that

00:30:24.261 --> 00:30:28.864
you're working on you have to understand

00:30:28.884 --> 00:30:30.604
you have to understand and accept that

00:30:31.003 --> 00:30:35.605
social media is growing the world oh yeah

00:30:35.705 --> 00:30:39.027
if you don't use social media it's hard

00:30:39.047 --> 00:30:39.946
to to grow up

00:30:41.387 --> 00:30:46.210
in the industry um instagram is very hard

00:30:46.829 --> 00:30:49.770
instagram if you don't get the algorithm

00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:52.832
it's very hard to and it changes so

00:30:52.971 --> 00:30:56.212
often it that's been my hardest that and

00:30:56.252 --> 00:30:58.353
threads i think have been the hardest to

00:30:58.373 --> 00:31:01.973
to kind of to crack into like i

00:31:01.994 --> 00:31:03.115
would say like the last

00:31:04.174 --> 00:31:06.057
three to four months, probably,

00:31:06.778 --> 00:31:08.622
I've gotten my best growth.

00:31:09.563 --> 00:31:11.746
And I'm still continuing to see that grow,

00:31:11.766 --> 00:31:12.326
thankfully.

00:31:13.067 --> 00:31:13.828
But yeah,

00:31:13.848 --> 00:31:16.153
those two are the hardest to by far.

00:31:18.563 --> 00:31:24.307
Instagram is a very good channel for your

00:31:24.386 --> 00:31:26.528
social circles, for your friends,

00:31:26.568 --> 00:31:27.449
your family,

00:31:28.789 --> 00:31:32.272
all these people that know you and you

00:31:32.313 --> 00:31:32.772
know them.

00:31:33.634 --> 00:31:36.655
But for artists, your...

00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.461
best help is youtube and tick tock and

00:31:41.521 --> 00:31:45.804
more tick and tick tock is is the

00:31:46.243 --> 00:31:50.526
most friendly social media for artists it

00:31:52.267 --> 00:31:54.008
helps you a lot to to grow up

00:31:54.407 --> 00:31:57.309
tick tock a lot a lot a lot

00:31:57.849 --> 00:32:01.010
and youtube youtube is more a consistency

00:32:02.051 --> 00:32:04.053
you need to be more consistent in youtube

00:32:04.712 --> 00:32:07.335
it's hard because uh create a

00:32:09.497 --> 00:32:13.519
A real or a short or a great

00:32:13.538 --> 00:32:17.500
video is very hard.

00:32:18.020 --> 00:32:22.644
So these short videos on TikTok is more

00:32:22.703 --> 00:32:24.325
easily TikTok.

00:32:24.365 --> 00:32:27.326
The algorithm of TikTok is very friendly

00:32:28.146 --> 00:32:29.166
for new artists.

00:32:30.468 --> 00:32:31.327
OK.

00:32:31.407 --> 00:32:34.829
No, I go back and forth on TikTok.

00:32:34.849 --> 00:32:36.471
Like, do I want to start TikTok,

00:32:36.510 --> 00:32:38.051
just share my short clips on?

00:32:38.939 --> 00:32:42.361
Because I get good traction with those on

00:32:44.061 --> 00:32:46.943
Instagram and YouTube shorts.

00:32:47.644 --> 00:32:48.944
So it's one of those where I'm like,

00:32:49.986 --> 00:32:52.446
if I could leverage TikTok to grow my

00:32:52.547 --> 00:32:54.627
other platforms, it may be worth it,

00:32:54.667 --> 00:32:55.949
but I don't know.

00:32:56.489 --> 00:32:58.711
Because you never know what the algorithm

00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:00.471
is going to be and whether something is

00:33:00.511 --> 00:33:03.733
going to work on one platform or the

00:33:03.874 --> 00:33:04.094
other.

00:33:05.825 --> 00:33:08.729
um so what kind of content works for

00:33:08.769 --> 00:33:10.310
you is it like your where you're

00:33:10.391 --> 00:33:12.994
illustrating or what you're writing or

00:33:13.035 --> 00:33:15.538
you're coloring what kind of content on

00:33:15.558 --> 00:33:19.263
your social media gets you like the most

00:33:19.944 --> 00:33:20.727
reactions

00:33:25.589 --> 00:33:27.830
I don't show my writing part.

00:33:29.692 --> 00:33:33.673
Normally the writing part is on my

00:33:33.713 --> 00:33:34.974
backstage process.

00:33:35.894 --> 00:33:40.198
But I normally...

00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:45.942
sometimes I'm doing my own characters and

00:33:46.042 --> 00:33:49.047
other times I'm making commissions or fan

00:33:49.106 --> 00:33:56.414
arts or projects with another with another

00:33:56.996 --> 00:33:59.077
universe for example right now I'm making

00:33:59.318 --> 00:33:59.338
a

00:34:00.430 --> 00:34:02.131
a cinematic process,

00:34:02.351 --> 00:34:05.913
a poster of DC Comics, of Superman.

00:34:05.953 --> 00:34:06.114
Okay.

00:34:11.197 --> 00:34:15.221
But normally my insights on social media

00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.262
react more when I'm drawing my own

00:34:19.302 --> 00:34:23.686
characters than when I'm drawing other

00:34:25.387 --> 00:34:26.929
intellectual properties.

00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:27.688
Okay.

00:34:29.811 --> 00:34:29.891
Yeah.

00:34:34.818 --> 00:34:34.938
Dude,

00:34:34.958 --> 00:34:36.878
it's such a tough nut to crack on

00:34:36.958 --> 00:34:38.018
social media, man.

00:34:38.900 --> 00:34:42.641
But it's once you find what I think

00:34:42.740 --> 00:34:45.661
works for you is when it really starts,

00:34:46.182 --> 00:34:46.463
you know,

00:34:46.503 --> 00:34:48.322
the algorithm starts working in your

00:34:48.384 --> 00:34:48.704
favor.

00:34:48.764 --> 00:34:51.744
It's just finding what works like.

00:34:53.563 --> 00:34:54.885
I know my, uh,

00:34:55.065 --> 00:34:56.505
my shorts go to everywhere.

00:34:56.525 --> 00:34:58.467
They go to Facebook, they go to Instagram,

00:34:58.487 --> 00:35:01.010
they go to threads, blue sky.

00:35:01.731 --> 00:35:04.873
And it just depends on who I was

00:35:04.992 --> 00:35:08.876
talking to or who the interview was with

00:35:09.117 --> 00:35:11.498
that really determines what kind of

00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:14.661
reactions I get because they're there to

00:35:14.740 --> 00:35:16.762
see the person I'm talking to.

00:35:17.523 --> 00:35:19.905
So for me, it's like,

00:35:20.085 --> 00:35:21.246
I have to borrow.

00:35:23.065 --> 00:35:25.728
um the lights and the clicks and the

00:35:25.788 --> 00:35:28.728
follows from that person basically and

00:35:28.768 --> 00:35:31.110
trying to bring them over to enjoy mine

00:35:31.231 --> 00:35:34.353
as well because i'm talking to your

00:35:34.413 --> 00:35:38.574
favorite today but i hope to maybe the

00:35:38.614 --> 00:35:40.115
person i'm talking to in a couple of

00:35:40.155 --> 00:35:42.597
days you will also like and give them

00:35:42.677 --> 00:35:44.699
a follow and follow me as well because

00:35:45.643 --> 00:35:45.842
To me,

00:35:45.862 --> 00:35:48.164
that's like the inner circle of life of

00:35:48.264 --> 00:35:49.244
social media, right?

00:35:49.264 --> 00:35:50.864
When you do what I do from my

00:35:50.885 --> 00:35:53.585
perspective is I have to dip my hands

00:35:53.644 --> 00:35:56.246
into everybody's pot of gold, so to speak,

00:35:57.005 --> 00:35:59.206
and try to convert into my followers as

00:35:59.266 --> 00:35:59.567
well.

00:36:03.507 --> 00:36:08.230
So you're still building Sambos from

00:36:08.329 --> 00:36:09.650
scratch right now.

00:36:10.289 --> 00:36:12.670
What is keeping you motivated and keeping

00:36:12.690 --> 00:36:14.992
you going when you just feel like,

00:36:15.925 --> 00:36:18.246
you're getting nowhere like what keeps you

00:36:18.286 --> 00:36:22.746
going and pressing that forward the i know

00:36:22.947 --> 00:36:27.347
that i have a lot to tell uh

00:36:27.387 --> 00:36:33.010
to my readers so that is my uh

00:36:33.110 --> 00:36:38.030
my main motivation motivation and uh i'm

00:36:41.175 --> 00:36:43.820
I'm trying to become with Reconsemble Sync

00:36:44.161 --> 00:36:46.927
like DC and Marvel is in the States

00:36:47.168 --> 00:36:48.811
here in Colombia so

00:36:50.867 --> 00:36:53.909
That motivates me a lot because I know

00:36:55.730 --> 00:36:58.512
what I'm carrying on me.

00:37:01.532 --> 00:37:02.333
I know it's hard.

00:37:05.474 --> 00:37:07.396
Right now, I'm having my comics on Amazon.

00:37:08.817 --> 00:37:09.876
I'm in Global Comics.

00:37:09.896 --> 00:37:10.697
Okay.

00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.063
but it's hard it's very hard when you're

00:37:15.083 --> 00:37:17.985
in the economy and just starting it's very

00:37:18.045 --> 00:37:24.251
hard because nobody knows you and and the

00:37:24.291 --> 00:37:29.697
real the reality is that the industry is

00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:31.818
is

00:37:33.527 --> 00:37:36.009
how can I say,

00:37:38.231 --> 00:37:40.411
is more focused on DC and Marvel and

00:37:43.054 --> 00:37:47.617
the many American comic brands and manga.

00:37:49.778 --> 00:37:50.460
But

00:37:53.693 --> 00:37:55.775
I am really motivated.

00:37:55.974 --> 00:38:02.960
Right now I'm trying to search this

00:38:03.161 --> 00:38:06.003
publisher here in Colombia that can help

00:38:06.043 --> 00:38:11.327
me distributing more of my comics here and

00:38:12.568 --> 00:38:15.132
maybe thinking in an international way.

00:38:16.422 --> 00:38:19.186
My goals are here in Colombia.

00:38:21.351 --> 00:38:25.356
I want the comic industry here is a

00:38:25.396 --> 00:38:25.677
thing.

00:38:26.398 --> 00:38:29.583
So that really motivates me a lot because

00:38:29.623 --> 00:38:32.047
I'm helping myself and also helping

00:38:33.132 --> 00:38:35.815
new artists in the industry here in my

00:38:35.835 --> 00:38:38.597
country.

00:38:38.617 --> 00:38:39.838
And I love to hear you say that

00:38:39.858 --> 00:38:42.001
because that's one of my driving factors

00:38:42.702 --> 00:38:45.925
into doing what I do and presenting indie

00:38:45.965 --> 00:38:48.367
creators like yourself here on the podcast

00:38:48.407 --> 00:38:50.690
is to put you in front of a

00:38:50.750 --> 00:38:53.311
newer audience that way we can expand

00:38:54.052 --> 00:38:56.673
what it is your reach in your audience

00:38:56.713 --> 00:38:57.954
to new people.

00:38:58.974 --> 00:39:02.416
And it's really cool that you are doing

00:39:02.456 --> 00:39:05.376
what you're doing for Columbia right now.

00:39:05.916 --> 00:39:08.697
So how do you stay consistent when things

00:39:08.717 --> 00:39:09.637
are kind of slow?

00:39:10.797 --> 00:39:13.659
Like, if it's slow, and you know,

00:39:13.759 --> 00:39:15.780
just you don't feel like you're getting

00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:16.119
anywhere?

00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:17.639
How do you stay consistent with what

00:39:17.739 --> 00:39:19.621
you're working on and what you're doing?

00:39:21.809 --> 00:39:22.048
Well,

00:39:23.710 --> 00:39:25.851
you have to understand and accept that

00:39:26.652 --> 00:39:28.193
it's a long process.

00:39:32.856 --> 00:39:34.858
When you're starting an entrepreneurship,

00:39:35.378 --> 00:39:36.880
doesn't matter where,

00:39:37.101 --> 00:39:39.541
in the comic industry and other things,

00:39:43.666 --> 00:39:48.208
it always will always take a while if

00:39:48.228 --> 00:39:49.070
you want to get

00:39:53.068 --> 00:39:58.012
get an after getting in the market and

00:39:58.713 --> 00:40:03.557
getting a readers and so you have to

00:40:03.577 --> 00:40:05.518
understand that there is a long process

00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:11.083
it's um and enjoy it that the most

00:40:11.123 --> 00:40:12.945
important thing is that you enjoy it

00:40:12.985 --> 00:40:13.326
because

00:40:17.211 --> 00:40:19.273
It is very normal that you have bad

00:40:20.273 --> 00:40:22.313
seasons and that you will have good

00:40:22.353 --> 00:40:22.773
seasons.

00:40:22.813 --> 00:40:25.213
So if you enjoy it,

00:40:27.434 --> 00:40:29.275
you will carry on all the process.

00:40:29.295 --> 00:40:31.795
It doesn't matter if you have a bad

00:40:31.914 --> 00:40:34.155
or good season.

00:40:34.215 --> 00:40:37.277
So what advice would you give new creators

00:40:38.056 --> 00:40:40.536
starting right now from nothing like you

00:40:40.577 --> 00:40:40.817
did?

00:40:40.836 --> 00:40:43.538
Hmm.

00:40:48.123 --> 00:40:50.771
to read a lot, to...

00:40:54.505 --> 00:40:55.467
use social media,

00:40:55.806 --> 00:40:58.949
with social media like YouTube, Instagram,

00:40:59.150 --> 00:41:04.655
you will know these artists like David

00:41:04.815 --> 00:41:09.498
Finch, like Jim Lee, like Brian Benjamin,

00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:12.541
like all these artists that already have

00:41:12.740 --> 00:41:13.762
their career.

00:41:14.302 --> 00:41:17.304
So do you know what is the style

00:41:17.425 --> 00:41:19.706
that you want to draw or if you

00:41:19.766 --> 00:41:20.527
want to write?

00:41:21.367 --> 00:41:25.130
or if you want to color or ink.

00:41:29.773 --> 00:41:33.655
And yes, that's my big advice.

00:41:33.735 --> 00:41:36.898
And my biggest advice is to enjoy it

00:41:37.177 --> 00:41:39.659
and don't rush.

00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:41.121
Don't rush.

00:41:41.541 --> 00:41:42.460
Enjoy the process.

00:41:43.362 --> 00:41:44.181
Everything will come.

00:41:46.744 --> 00:41:49.525
So what does making it...

00:41:50.498 --> 00:41:51.757
look like for you?

00:41:51.818 --> 00:42:06.864
That people enjoy what I do,

00:42:07.384 --> 00:42:11.565
that I keep enjoying my process.

00:42:13.646 --> 00:42:16.487
If for some time I

00:42:19.376 --> 00:42:22.039
uh stop enjoying what i did i i

00:42:22.059 --> 00:42:27.842
will i will stop doing this and um

00:42:31.423 --> 00:42:34.925
and yes that people enjoy what what i

00:42:35.065 --> 00:42:39.969
publish and that i still enjoy it still

00:42:40.068 --> 00:42:43.452
enjoying it yeah so where do you see

00:42:43.512 --> 00:42:47.253
draco and sambos in let's say three years

00:42:55.003 --> 00:42:57.905
in comic cons like i i have been

00:42:58.244 --> 00:43:04.829
my own stand-up there showing my comics i

00:43:06.391 --> 00:43:08.733
right now i'm publishing my comics a

00:43:08.793 --> 00:43:13.996
digital on in amazon but i'm trying that

00:43:14.036 --> 00:43:17.139
my comics are getting sales a physical

00:43:17.179 --> 00:43:23.583
yeah so seeing my comics on on in

00:43:23.623 --> 00:43:24.304
shops

00:43:26.226 --> 00:43:29.106
That's my goal for three years with

00:43:29.146 --> 00:43:30.027
Reconsemble Sync.

00:43:30.568 --> 00:43:36.389
Here in Colombia, in international,

00:43:36.710 --> 00:43:37.451
that's after.

00:43:38.990 --> 00:43:40.552
No, dude, I like it, dude.

00:43:41.092 --> 00:43:43.293
You have to, you dream big.

00:43:44.132 --> 00:43:45.193
And, dude,

00:43:45.873 --> 00:43:47.894
there's nothing more than I want to see,

00:43:48.074 --> 00:43:48.295
you know,

00:43:48.335 --> 00:43:50.396
walk into my local comic shop one day

00:43:50.496 --> 00:43:52.597
and see, you know,

00:43:53.856 --> 00:43:56.300
your comic book sitting on the shelf or

00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.884
going to a Comic-Con and seeing you and

00:43:59.903 --> 00:44:02.246
your work there at the Comic-Con and you

00:44:02.306 --> 00:44:02.987
selling your work,

00:44:03.007 --> 00:44:05.451
that'd be like the dopest thing, man.

00:44:05.710 --> 00:44:07.472
Just knowing where you started this

00:44:07.532 --> 00:44:10.496
journey to finally being there.

00:44:10.536 --> 00:44:11.318
You know what I'm saying?

00:44:12.764 --> 00:44:14.206
Yes, totally, totally.

00:44:16.606 --> 00:44:19.367
And will be a dream to sharing Comic

00:44:19.387 --> 00:44:23.610
Con with all this, with David Fincher,

00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:23.969
I know.

00:44:24.990 --> 00:44:25.510
These things,

00:44:25.871 --> 00:44:29.972
these artists that already have their

00:44:30.012 --> 00:44:31.313
profession on comics.

00:44:33.153 --> 00:44:33.474
Dave,

00:44:33.815 --> 00:44:34.974
the only thing left to do is to

00:44:35.014 --> 00:44:35.655
do it, right?

00:44:35.976 --> 00:44:36.916
You got to make it happen.

00:44:38.157 --> 00:44:38.356
Yes.

00:44:39.552 --> 00:44:43.652
So if someone discovers your work today,

00:44:44.353 --> 00:44:57.637
what do you want them to remember?

00:44:57.657 --> 00:44:59.336
That's a very good question.

00:45:01.898 --> 00:45:02.257
I don't know.

00:45:06.293 --> 00:45:13.338
Come on, man.

00:45:13.378 --> 00:45:14.418
My growing style,

00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:22.465
the way that I tell my stories,

00:45:23.246 --> 00:45:25.427
how I develop my characters,

00:45:27.208 --> 00:45:29.331
and they feel...

00:45:34.295 --> 00:45:36.257
emotionally attached with my characters.

00:45:38.619 --> 00:45:41.740
The same way that people react with

00:45:41.780 --> 00:45:43.061
Spider-Man or Superman,

00:45:43.842 --> 00:45:47.384
I want to create the same.

00:45:48.565 --> 00:45:50.365
That's a thing.

00:45:51.085 --> 00:45:51.527
I like it.

00:45:51.606 --> 00:45:52.847
And I'm going to tell you what I

00:45:52.887 --> 00:45:53.867
want them to remember.

00:45:54.487 --> 00:45:57.050
I want them to remember Alejandro as the

00:45:57.110 --> 00:45:59.731
dude who put indie comics...

00:46:00.692 --> 00:46:03.914
On the same level as DC and Marvel

00:46:04.795 --> 00:46:05.536
in Columbia.

00:46:06.396 --> 00:46:08.217
That is what I want them to remember.

00:46:08.237 --> 00:46:09.639
I want them to know that you're the

00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.561
guy who's going to be responsible for that

00:46:13.621 --> 00:46:18.065
happening in Columbia.

00:46:18.085 --> 00:46:18.445
Because, dude,

00:46:18.465 --> 00:46:20.927
you're motivated and you're doing it.

00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:25.483
I'm certainly more motivated and you have

00:46:25.523 --> 00:46:27.123
to, you have to.

00:46:27.483 --> 00:46:29.505
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

00:46:30.264 --> 00:46:32.865
And I tell you what,

00:46:32.885 --> 00:46:38.309
let's do this again in a year.

00:46:38.969 --> 00:46:39.949
I'm open.

00:46:41.911 --> 00:46:42.650
Or six months.

00:46:43.110 --> 00:46:44.152
Let's say six months.

00:46:44.351 --> 00:46:44.612
Let's,

00:46:44.711 --> 00:46:48.134
let's do this again and let's see where

00:46:48.173 --> 00:46:49.793
we're at and where you're at.

00:46:49.853 --> 00:46:51.074
All right.

00:46:51.498 --> 00:46:52.780
So put it on your calendar,

00:46:54.041 --> 00:46:56.202
on the calendar with me in six months,

00:46:56.862 --> 00:46:57.523
because dude,

00:46:57.543 --> 00:47:01.005
you're going places and I really want to

00:47:01.045 --> 00:47:02.467
keep up with the journey that you're

00:47:02.507 --> 00:47:04.528
taking, not just your cell phone,

00:47:04.588 --> 00:47:07.271
not just Draco and Sambos,

00:47:07.351 --> 00:47:09.452
but the ride that you're getting ready to

00:47:09.492 --> 00:47:13.456
take Columbia on and with your comic books

00:47:13.876 --> 00:47:15.476
and with what you're trying to do to

00:47:15.556 --> 00:47:17.918
help bring other comic book artists,

00:47:17.998 --> 00:47:19.639
other comic book writers

00:47:20.561 --> 00:47:23.621
along with you in colombia to a bigger

00:47:23.681 --> 00:47:27.563
stage and dude let's make it happen all

00:47:27.603 --> 00:47:31.545
right that helps me a lot and it

00:47:33.766 --> 00:47:35.606
will be like a like a kind of

00:47:35.646 --> 00:47:38.286
training for me on on this podcast bar

00:47:38.527 --> 00:47:40.027
and speaking to

00:47:42.132 --> 00:47:42.773
I like it, dude.

00:47:44.012 --> 00:47:47.375
And if you want to do another podcast,

00:47:47.635 --> 00:47:51.018
I know a couple of them who also

00:47:51.057 --> 00:47:52.157
work with Indie Comics,

00:47:52.759 --> 00:47:54.679
and I will shoot them your information and

00:47:54.699 --> 00:47:56.541
your name and see if you can get

00:47:56.860 --> 00:47:58.481
on one of their podcasts as well.

00:47:59.181 --> 00:48:00.103
That way you can, A,

00:48:00.123 --> 00:48:01.543
you can practice some more English with

00:48:01.583 --> 00:48:03.224
them, and B,

00:48:03.284 --> 00:48:04.766
you can talk about your work some more

00:48:04.786 --> 00:48:05.585
with them as well.

00:48:05.967 --> 00:48:06.487
All right?

00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:09.639
Of course.

00:48:10.179 --> 00:48:13.739
That will be a very helpful tool for

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:13.960
me.

00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:15.820
All right.

00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:17.300
I'll shoot them a message when we're done

00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:17.840
here tonight.

00:48:18.181 --> 00:48:19.942
But let's do some rapid fire questions,

00:48:20.001 --> 00:48:20.362
all right?

00:48:21.202 --> 00:48:21.302
OK.

00:48:22.543 --> 00:48:23.682
Favorite comic artist?

00:48:23.862 --> 00:48:24.842
I got a feeling I know what you're

00:48:24.862 --> 00:48:25.302
going to say.

00:48:25.744 --> 00:48:26.344
David Finch.

00:48:27.364 --> 00:48:27.884
I knew it.

00:48:29.445 --> 00:48:31.664
Indie comics or mainstream?

00:48:34.766 --> 00:48:37.746
Depends on the character and the artist.

00:48:39.532 --> 00:48:39.771
Okay.

00:48:39.811 --> 00:48:45.393
Dream collaboration.

00:48:45.414 --> 00:48:46.753
DC.

00:48:46.773 --> 00:48:47.414
DC Comics.

00:48:47.434 --> 00:48:49.275
Okay.

00:48:49.315 --> 00:48:51.735
Do you prefer physical copies or digital?

00:48:52.614 --> 00:48:53.356
Physical copies.

00:48:54.076 --> 00:48:55.115
Oh, same, same.

00:48:55.155 --> 00:48:57.737
It's nothing like holding a comic book in

00:48:57.757 --> 00:48:58.157
your hand.

00:48:58.177 --> 00:48:58.976
Or a book.

00:48:58.996 --> 00:48:59.336
Or a book.

00:49:01.036 --> 00:49:01.677
Exactly.

00:49:02.197 --> 00:49:03.018
All right.

00:49:03.097 --> 00:49:04.998
Alejandro, now's the time.

00:49:05.038 --> 00:49:07.179
I want you to sell...

00:49:08.739 --> 00:49:13.503
alejandro and draco and sambos to

00:49:13.664 --> 00:49:16.385
everybody and then i want you to tell

00:49:16.425 --> 00:49:18.266
them where they can find you on social

00:49:18.286 --> 00:49:23.831
media all right yeah um you can find

00:49:23.951 --> 00:49:28.114
all my comics on amazon i have three

00:49:28.153 --> 00:49:32.478
comics there and you will see my social

00:49:32.498 --> 00:49:35.340
media in instagram as draco and sambos inc

00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:36.780
uh alejo rosales

00:49:39.224 --> 00:49:42.826
In TikTok as Drakensambosing.

00:49:43.266 --> 00:49:46.447
And in YouTube I have my Drakensambosing

00:49:46.806 --> 00:49:48.487
TV channel.

00:49:49.128 --> 00:49:51.268
There you will see my streamings.

00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:52.530
My own streamings.

00:49:56.431 --> 00:49:57.112
And my process.

00:50:00.025 --> 00:50:00.945
I like it.

00:50:01.206 --> 00:50:02.987
So for everybody wondering,

00:50:03.047 --> 00:50:05.507
I will have all those links down in

00:50:05.527 --> 00:50:06.188
the description.

00:50:06.228 --> 00:50:07.588
It might be in the description now if

00:50:07.608 --> 00:50:09.168
you look at the YouTube version of it.

00:50:09.708 --> 00:50:10.750
All the links are already in the

00:50:10.769 --> 00:50:11.269
description.

00:50:11.289 --> 00:50:14.391
And when this goes live on both YouTube

00:50:15.190 --> 00:50:16.552
and podcast platforms,

00:50:16.572 --> 00:50:17.952
you will be able to find all his

00:50:18.012 --> 00:50:21.793
links to his social media there as well.

00:50:22.893 --> 00:50:23.534
Alejandro,

00:50:23.815 --> 00:50:25.496
I can't thank you enough for giving us

00:50:25.516 --> 00:50:29.458
the opportunity to talk to you tonight and

00:50:29.478 --> 00:50:31.579
to let us introduce you to the rest

00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:32.460
of the world, man.

00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:34.260
It was such a blast to have you

00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.561
on and to talk to you and help

00:50:36.581 --> 00:50:38.222
you practice English, man.

00:50:38.463 --> 00:50:38.943
I loved it.

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It was fun.

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You did so good.

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so yes and i thank you also i

00:50:50.434 --> 00:50:52.655
appreciate that you that you give me these

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these chances on the podcast to get myself

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known and

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It's my first time in an English-speaking

00:51:02.784 --> 00:51:03.766
podcast.

00:51:03.885 --> 00:51:06.789
It's my first time in a podcast in

00:51:06.849 --> 00:51:08.150
general, not only in English.

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You did great.

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You really did, dude.

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And like I said,

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I'm going to pass your information over to

00:51:14.235 --> 00:51:15.597
a friend of mine who does something

00:51:15.637 --> 00:51:16.759
similar to what I do.

00:51:17.260 --> 00:51:19.322
He focuses a little bit more on the

00:51:19.362 --> 00:51:19.942
process.

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So you can talk about how the process

00:51:23.005 --> 00:51:23.626
more with him,

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because that's kind of what he does.

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And but I'll shoot you his information or

00:51:27.829 --> 00:51:30.893
shoot him your information and let you

00:51:31.572 --> 00:51:33.936
have a conversation with him and see if

00:51:33.976 --> 00:51:35.956
you can't get a date figured out for

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you to appear on his podcast as well.

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but ladies and gentlemen this is what it's

00:51:41.521 --> 00:51:44.282
all about creators stepping up building

00:51:44.302 --> 00:51:46.364
their own worlds and putting their vision

00:51:46.925 --> 00:51:50.487
out into the universe alejandro is proof

00:51:50.907 --> 00:51:53.588
that you don't need permission to start

00:51:54.009 --> 00:51:55.789
you just need to drive to keep it

00:51:56.130 --> 00:51:58.791
going make sure you follow his journey

00:51:59.271 --> 00:52:02.153
support his work and keep your eyes on

00:52:02.193 --> 00:52:05.396
what he's building with draco and sambos

00:52:06.416 --> 00:52:07.557
It is going to be big,

00:52:07.617 --> 00:52:08.777
not just for himself,

00:52:09.137 --> 00:52:11.739
but for the country of Colombia and

00:52:11.778 --> 00:52:14.001
possibly the world soon.

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And to everyone out there chasing

00:52:16.461 --> 00:52:18.722
something of your own, keep building,

00:52:19.043 --> 00:52:22.563
keep creating, and keep pushing forward.

00:52:23.244 --> 00:52:24.025
Ladies and gentlemen,

00:52:24.105 --> 00:52:27.047
this has been the USDN Podcast,

00:52:27.547 --> 00:52:30.007
where indie comics come to life.

00:52:30.467 --> 00:52:32.668
The Council of Nerds is adjourned.

00:52:33.168 --> 00:52:34.269
Y'all be safe out there.

00:52:35.525 --> 00:52:36.612
Thank you, Jeff.

00:52:37.498 --> 00:52:37.860
Yes, sir.

00:53:16.373 --> 00:53:16.878
Alejandro, I'm going