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What is up, everybody?
I have a whole gang of
people today coming on.
So let me introduce them to
you one by one.
And we will start with a
perennial favorite around these parts.
And that is Amanda Rivas.
Amanda, welcome to the show.
Hi, thanks for having me.
It's always a great time being here.
And you know me,
I'm never going to turn down like you.
I don't turn down a good
conversation about Star Wars.
Never, and if I do,
there is something wrong with me,
send help.
All right, who do we have next?
Ah, I know who we have next.
He is a BC+, first round, first ballot,
Hall of Famer.
We all know him from the pop break.
And basically,
he's everywhere and anywhere,
if you know where to look.
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bill Botkin.
What's up, man?
I love this floating X-Wing
cockpit background.
I'm like, this is great.
It makes me feel like- It
goes with the theme.
But if you get nauseous, please, you know,
call the camera.
It's all good.
Amanda,
we're back on our mini tour like we
did a year ago.
We are.
I was like, it just worked out that way,
but that's- We just seen
each other last week.
Yeah.
But a year ago,
we were on this podcast
with you about Echo-
Yes.
We did Socially Distanced,
and then we did BCP Plus
for the Royal Rumble,
and we're going to be doing
it again this year.
We can't start the new year
without going on our tour.
Yeah, we can't burn ourselves out anymore.
Come on, let's go.
So we got one more guy.
I said we were going to have
a new guy on tonight.
I want to introduce
everybody to our newest council member,
ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
children and all ages.
He is a schoolteacher at
heart and a podcaster by night.
Mr. Randy Allen, welcome to the show.
Jeff, thanks for having me.
And also a pirate by night,
as you can see.
I'm coming at you from Tac Renaud's lair.
Does he know you're in his lair?
Oh.
He knows,
but he's not getting in because
I'm nestled behind a whole pool of acid.
I am booby-trapped.
I am ready to go.
I am all yours for this entire show.
Cannot wait to dig into it.
There's no one who's ever
going to be nestled behind
a pool of acid like Randy Lane,
what can I tell you?
He's like a puppy in front of a fireplace.
I wish the food wasn't so rotted,
but... Well,
you do have that one glorious ham.
Oh, yeah.
You brought a ham sandwich to the party?
All right, everybody.
So we're all here tonight.
We're going to start off
with James Gunn's Chapter One,
Gods and Monsters,
and his first animated
adventure into his Gods and
Monsters chapter with Creature Commando.
So me and Amanda covered the
first half of this already,
so we're going to focus on the back half,
starting with Episode Four, I think,
is where we'll start with.
So I know Randy,
I just put him on the show...
over the weekend, basically.
Randy,
what were your first impressions
when I said, hey, check the show out?
So Creature Commandos has
been on my radar because
I've been hearing people
hyping it up ever since
James Gunn took over.
And I was like, that sounds cool.
But I didn't throw it to the
top of my list because I've
been on a journey to fill
in my DC background,
get to know my DC comic
world a little bit better.
But the hype has been real.
My Media Lit co-host Chris
Ingersoll is a huge comic guy.
He was really pumped for this show.
I know he's been loving it.
I was just chatting with him
before I came on here to
tell him how much I enjoyed the show.
But yeah,
I was seeing these characters for
the first time,
and I'll be commenting on
this throughout the night,
but they carried me away,
not only through good storytelling,
but as an English teacher,
all the big themes
surrounding monster
storytelling and the humans
being the real monsters,
through these characters,
I think they hit on every
major version of that story,
and it was just a treat.
So this is a question for everybody.
How did y'all feel with them
giving us the backstory of
each character and fitting
it to work in the present
show where we were at per episode?
How did y'all enjoy that
with the flashbacks to the
characters and how they
became who they were?
How did y'all like that?
Amanda, we'll start with you.
Well, I really enjoyed it.
I thought,
because sometimes when you take
this approach, it could go awry,
depending on, you know, it's here.
We see this a lot in anime,
where you have a ton of
filler that introduces character too long,
and there's no point.
It doesn't ever circle back.
Boruto, I'm calling you out.
And, you know, and then you're just like,
well, what was the whole point?
What I loved about this was
you got each character's backstory.
For those who were not familiar,
like I was not very
familiar with Creature
Commandos outside of, you know,
I knew who the bride was.
It's like pop culture context, right?
For certain characters.
So, yeah.
you know,
just being able to get the
backstory and they were really,
really well delivered, well done.
They were done in a way that
made you get attached to the characters,
that made you care about them.
And then it all came
together in terms of the
decisions that were made,
where the story went.
And so I feel like they were
meticulously done and there
was a strategy behind it.
And that way,
when we see them in future projects,
you know who they are and you care.
And that, again, very, very well done.
And more anime should learn
how to do that.
AMANDA SCHADE- Amanda always
steals the show with answers like that.
Randy, what did you think?
This is my favorite style of storytelling.
My love affair with podcasts
started because I became a
huge fan of a Lost rewatch podcast.
And Lost wasn't the first show to do it,
but that was the structure
that put that show on the map.
And while shows have stopped
trying to be exactly like Lost,
they are still using that format.
And whenever it's employed
properly in any genre,
it takes off and it works
and it hits for people.
even if it's... I'm blanking
on the name of it.
That show,
the Mandy Moore vehicle there
that just wrapped up.
This Is Us.
I was going to say Tangles.
That was the format for that show.
It's a totally different...
Totally different genre and audience,
but when you can ground a
present moment in that past history,
it's really powerful.
Especially for a character I
didn't know how to wrap my mind around,
like the Weasel.
But we'll get to that.
Yeah,
that's going to be the very first one
we cover.
His was heartbreaking.
Geez, they started it with... Yeah.
Bill, what'd you think?
So, going off what Amanda said,
there are times where it's just like,
you're like building towards
this climax that are like,
let's take a detour down a backstory.
And sometimes that works.
For example,
Watchmen did a great speaking loss.
That was a game in Lindelof vehicle.
And other times it's like,
when you detour from the main plot,
it doesn't always work.
We saw that in Mando.
We saw that with Boba Fett.
We saw that.
And we've seen it like Game
of Thrones had its problems as well.
But,
Sometimes it really hits
like one of my favorite
Westworld episodes was when
they go back to Zach
McClendon's character.
He's like a warrior and they
go and tell his entire
story and how he got to
here and then how he gets into Westworld.
And it's one of the most
powerful stories going and
it ties really well into the ending.
So, but by doing this,
it's beautiful because like
with a team of characters,
like Amanda said,
characters you don't know,
you need to find it.
But James Gunn knows how to do that.
He knows how to be like,
here's how this backstory
is going to perfectly tie
into this episode.
And man, he does a beautiful job.
Every single time.
Every single time he made it work.
And another show that did it really well,
we covered on our last show, Amanda,
with Agatha.
The way they did it was really well done.
yeah that was great yeah so
let's jump into and talk
about the weasel story that
was episode four talk about
pulling some heartstrings
his story and how he ended
up where he did um and just
the the story that was
given versus the actual
story and the drastic
difference between the two
That was one of those
that... It left me like, man,
that's fucked up.
The Weasel's actually a good
dude giving a bad rap by bad people.
And that goes back to what you said, Randy,
with who's the real monsters here.
So how did y'all feel about
his story overall?
Was that what y'all expected
from his story?
Because I was kind of running with the...
like oh he he killed some
kids and that was the
complete opposite of
actually what happened
amanda yeah yeah yeah I I
didn't I expected it to be
very good because again the
bride story set up was
really good um I think I
want to say dr phosphorus I
want to say was that was
right before weasel
phosphorus is no he was after later yeah
But I feel like for me so
far to that point,
the bride story had been
one of my favorites.
And so I knew that it was
going to be well done.
I just didn't expect it to
be as emotional as it was
and very heart-wrenching.
And I feel like it was one
of the better stories that
connected to the main plot
in terms of here's what
happened with this girl
that's imprinted in his memory.
And he sees that in the princess.
And
you know,
it influences his decision to go
and just blow everyone's cover and do his,
just cause chaos.
And I thought that was a
really well done tie from
the emotional moment to, okay,
here's how this all ties together.
And I think it was one of
the better backstories that,
that did a great job of doing that.
I don't think a walk to
remember had a backstory.
That was just a,
I haven't seen it in so long.
That was a Mandy Moore vehicle.
I think that prompted the-
That was Mandy Moore, wasn't it?
It was.
Yes.
Wasn't that her first- Very
first movie post her music career.
Yeah.
Everybody had a crush on Mandy Moore then.
I don't care what y'all say.
Y'all had that crush.
Thanks for bringing up good memories,
Chris.
Yeah.
All right, Randy, how do you feel?
No, Bill, Bill, sorry.
Bill is really willing to chime in.
Sorry, it's the caffeine or lack thereof.
I thought that the weasel
story I knew was going to
be as tragic as it was going to be.
Because one,
James Gunn does love a furry
creature to have a
background that's so tragic.
And also his brother.
plays the character so I
figured like yeah he's
gonna be kind of tragic but
uh they kept saying he
killed all these these kids
and it kept changing and
I'm just like no he never
did because it was it was a
very very you know it's
easy to blame a monster to
do something like that and
we didn't really see much
of weasels like what he
could do you know and I
think like amanda said like
him tying back to the princess
the end reminding him of the
little blonde girl with
blue eyes that he was
trying to save was it was
it was a great moment to
show the humanity like um
and that would come into
the emotion that all three
of our surviving creature
commandos have like that
scene at the end where
phosphorus puts his hand on
the bride and that like
that showed how human they were and how
Nina really had impacted all of them.
Like we, we talked about,
I think it was just like, Nina was like,
she didn't do much,
but she actually did change them.
But yeah.
And then, you know,
it's just James gun doesn't hold back.
We see like, they just shoot a kid.
Yeah.
Which is like, that was the part.
I think that was the most tragic part.
It was like,
you see these two guys just
come in there and they just
start blasting,
have no regard for anyone who's there.
All right, Randy, over to you,
over to you.
Yeah, I mean, your head, so.
Yeah, no, I mean, like we've got, you know,
Amanda Waller is the
perfect villain because
this organization sucks.
Like they know that they are
messing with the bounds of morality,
right?
Like the whole concept here is like, well,
they're not really people.
But it's really hard to make
that case the more you get
to know each of the characters.
Weasel is the one,
it's maybe the easiest to
argue that he is not human, right?
Cause we don't really get
like his full backstory.
Like we find out what
happened with the kids.
We still don't really know
if we're non comics readers like myself,
where he really came from,
but we know that he has a
heart in the comic either.
But the thing,
in addition to the story of
the kids and seeing him
connect with the kids,
it was that we have his
defense attorney showing up,
making this case for his humanity,
referring to him like his sir, mister,
calling him Joe by this human name.
And she sees something in him.
And yes,
it's humorous and it's hard to
continue to sell it as he's
licking his crotch every three seconds.
And those eyes are going
googly in the sides of his
head at any given moment.
But yeah, even the weasel is human.
And I mean,
he makes the most like heart
based decision in the
closing moments of the season, right?
He's following his heart.
So yeah, really effective.
Jeff,
I have to give you kudos for having
Randy on here,
because for those who have
not listened to Randy,
I highly encourage you guys
to check out MediaLit.
He's one of the most thorough people.
Attention to detail.
He's just one of the best people.
I'm sorry, I know,
but I have to put him over now.
I can't help it.
I'm just excited to even
selfishly have this chance
to even talk with Randy
about Creature Commandos.
This is why Amanda is such a
best bud to everyone in the world.
You are always lifting us up, so thank you,
Jeff.
She is the biggest guest of
the podcast world.
And Randy, to quote Big Lebowski,
Randy is a good man.
Yes.
That's just like your opinion, man.
I really bring the room together.
You do.
I like that.
You bring us all in Tack Runner's lair,
and I'm here for it.
So for the past few months,
me and Randy have been
going back and forth on like, hey,
we're going to set something up.
We're going to set something up.
And finally, I was just like, damn it,
Randy.
We're doing this show on this day.
You're coming on.
He's like, okay, well,
let's come up with
something for you on my show.
I'm like, okay, what about this and that?
I'm like, you know what?
Let's just circle back later.
so we're going to circle
back later on I'm going to
come on the media lit later
but this this episode is
the one that like this one
in the last one really
although two that I was
like damn you james gunn
hitting me in my feels but
yeah man because for those
who don't know this show
picked up immediately
following what happened in
the original suicide squad
And then it just like the
very next this happens next
in that ongoing thing there.
So but we're going to go on
the next episode.
We got the Frankenstein episode, actually,
where he was nursed back to
health and later.
Reprieved her of her life, we'll say,
as he continued on his
journey to find his bride.
So.
And also,
this is the one where we find out
Cersei's visions about the
princess were false.
Because Clayface,
we get our appearance by Clayface,
took over the original Doctor's identity.
How exciting were y'all to
see Clayface in this?
And yes,
I'm petting a cat like I'm an evil
mad scientist.
Look at this pretty face.
Do you not want to pet her too?
You going to go?
Yep, she's going to go back to playing.
She made her appearance.
She did.
I saved everybody the
embarrassment of having to
look at her butt because
that was the very first
thing she would have done.
Same.
Would have honored the weasel segment.
she does that like they both
will do it give it time the
other one will make his
appearance as well bill
we'll start with you on
this one how cool what is
it seeing clay face make
his appearance in this it
was cool but also a little
head scratching because
this was one of the issues
that I had with creature
commandos but I'll get to
the negative before the
positive before the negative um uh
Clayface is one of my
all-time favorite Batman
the Animated Series films,
played by Ron Perlman.
Or Ron Perlman in the original series.
And then brought back.
I don't know if anyone
watched the Batman animated
series that was on Amazon.
That was terrific.
I have not seen it yet.
That's on my to-do list.
Thank you, Calvin.
Oh, hey, Calvin.
What's up?
Yeah,
I have to do my homework now for a
Royal Rumble podcast because he's on it.
and Amanda.
But we have our separate homework.
And it's like all these
different interpretations
of him as an actor.
And then he announced Mike
Flanagan's doing a Clayface movie.
I've never seen any Mike Flanagan work.
Doctor Sleep, Bly Manor,
House on Haunted Hill.
Phenomenal.
You know what I'm talking about.
I'll follow the House of Usher.
Oh, great stuff.
So I'm excited.
House of Usher, man.
I got through two episodes.
I had to stop.
dude did you not finish it
no it was a little too no
go back oh you got to go
back yeah there's there's
that's one of those where
amanda knows that that
history of the long list of
the shows bill has to
finish we'll move on but it
is it is it was great to
see the character there
because it didn't make
sense at first just like
why is the stephanie beatrice character
like all of a sudden goes
from so buttoned up to just
screaming lesbians to my
favorite reaction not
Amanda's favorite reaction
which is great but like
Frankenstein going well
that's not very
professional I don't know
why that just like set me
sideways but I loved seeing
the character but it was it
adds to something we'll
talk about later the
motivations of the princess
by impersonating that so
it's cool within the world
but within the finale is a
little murky for me so
excited but uh the little I
had a couple I had a couple
issues with it randy what'd
you think yeah I don't have
as as deep a history with
the clay face character so
like I think for you this
character is like
Oh, yeah.
What I was going to say, Bill,
is I agree with you.
That Caped Crusader version,
I really loved.
All these different takes on
the failed or the struggling actor.
So here he's firing up the Xbox,
which was kind of a fun gag and joke.
So I liked it on the level of like, okay,
we're bringing in this
Batman world to this
property that I'm less familiar with.
So in terms of that thrill,
I love a crossover.
that got me excited um and
you know like we'll get to
this when we get to the dr
phosphorus episode but that
that opens in a moment that
feels like batman the
animated series um and of
course we get like the
flash of batman later on so
in in terms of the world
getting bigger I loved it
um but yeah not as engaging
as other takes on the
character I've seen amanda
I enjoyed seeing him.
I did.
I also grew up with Batman
animated series kid.
We all did.
We were, we were raised right.
Um, in a good time.
And, uh, you know, it, it,
it was great to see him,
but I wish we would have gotten more.
It just felt, um, sometimes a little bit,
you know, I'm kind of on,
I'm there with bill.
Um,
I wanted more Clayface and I
wanted a little bit more of
a reason why he was there.
Sometimes I felt like,
I don't think the intent
was for him to be kind of a
gratuitous promo, but,
or like a gratuitous, like, you know, Hey,
here you go.
You want to, you guys wanted a cameo.
Here you go.
But I'm sure there's a purpose.
That was a good,
good one to bring in that
would fit with what he was
doing with this series.
Yeah.
And it wasn't a bad, it was not bad.
I'm glad we got him.
I just wish we had gotten
more and a little bit more of,
especially with the way the
finale ended too,
it left a lot more
questions than answers.
And I'm sure hopefully when
we get the second one,
maybe we'll get a better backstory.
Maybe we'll get more Clayface.
I just felt like his
appearance was abrupt.
And it was like, here he is.
Oh, that's great.
Oh, shit, he's gone.
Like, oh.
He's never really gone, though.
Yeah, but I wanted him to come back.
Just kind of like the Sandman, you know?
Yeah, this is true.
Drinking beers, running through crowds.
You know,
hitting on the et spots and
screaming lesbian at the
top of our lungs.
But so how did y'all feel about this,
what they did with
Frankenstein in this episode?
And kind of like,
I don't want to say it was a,
it was a chapter of his life that in this,
the way they did it here,
I don't know how I felt about it really.
You know what I'm saying?
Like,
it felt like it didn't really fit
with what they were doing
with the rest of the series,
if that is making sense at all.
Probably not.
Like,
the way they did his backstory with
him getting nursed back to
health after being nearly killed.
Well, he can't really die, I guess.
But, and then, you know,
killing the person who helped him.
That was very on par for
Frankenstein from the comic book as well,
by the way.
Just the random, like...
Right.
But what was your issue with
it in the series, though?
That's curious because you
say it was it was this episode.
The way they did his backstory.
And I'm not really saying
that was his backstory in
that one episode.
It just didn't feel like it
provided the same substance
as the other like flashback
sequences did for the other characters.
I think we got more of his
story during the Brides
episode than we did in his own episode,
if that's making sense.
get I get where you're
coming from yeah that makes
sense that makes sense but
I think it's I think it's
intentional though because
I'm sure because he so it's
david harper and yes
doesn't love that guy and
amanda what's the best line
he said throughout the
whole thing delphi piece of
I'll have that I'm gonna
have that etched on my
tombstone uh it's saved his
family from a sinking ship
that filthy son of a uh
cannon bombs reference
bravo yeah well played uh
it is um because it's david
harbour so it's like we
genuinely like david
harbour he's very funny
I think it's done this way
because it's like he is not redeemable.
He is.
No, he's trash.
Like he is a horrible person.
I'm sorry.
I have a creature behind me is.
Yeah, he's he's he's stalking the bride.
He killed this woman who is
obviously trying to save him.
He's not a good guy.
yeah and so I think that's
that's why it can't be as a
pack because we don't want
to say we can't sympathize
with this guy even though
we want to we just can't
yeah yeah he's in he's an
incel given creature powers
right yes and I was a
little surprised when he
killed his caretaker at the
end because it did seem
like she opened up his eyes
a little bit to you know you can
taken the world in different
ways and see beauty in
different ways and when I
was trying to explain it to
myself at the end I think
it came down to he is so
set in these beliefs about
how he thinks the world is
supposed to be structured
that he was like oh like
you know she was not
hunting with this shotgun
before I came in so now
she's not going to survive
and like he seems to be
selling it as a mercy killing
Like, this woman can't be left alone,
or it won't be an okay existence for her.
I'm not here to take care of her.
And yeah,
it shows how manic and
controlling that energy is
on a whole new level,
even beyond him chasing the bride.
Yeah, because the bride is solely his.
She was made for me.
Yeah,
they definitely undercut it with humor,
too, when he was like... Like,
you had he rips...
he rips Victor von Frankenstein in half.
And then we go on this
musical montage of her
beating him up through generations,
which is funny,
but I think it's also not funny.
Yeah.
Amanda,
you've never met a guy like that
before in your life.
Oh, no.
Not at all.
How did you feel about Frankenstein?
Oh, man.
I had some flashbacks.
You told me.
Yeah.
I had a type in my twenties, y'all.
You don't say.
That's why the story works.
Yeah, this is true.
You know, I just... So what,
you were into guys who were
sewn together from different cadavers?
That's wild, dude.
No,
that actually would have been better
than some of them.
I'm not afraid to throw shade here.
I'm not afraid at all.
Some of y'all are watching
in the live stream.
You're welcome.
Y'all, uh,
those who weren't around in the
early two thousands,
this shit was wild y'all.
Yeah.
I'm just saying y'all.
Um, but, uh,
In all reality, though, to Bill's point,
I think it was very intentional because,
yeah,
David Harbour is a very likable guy.
And there are moments where, like,
the humor in this, like, from him, again,
like, we're best friends.
Are we best friends?
Like, I'm like, man,
sometimes you have those conversations.
His interactions with General,
what's his name?
With Rick.
Yeah, Rick Flag.
With Rick Flag Sr.
were great.
And it's just like.
That episode was phenomenal
with just the two of them.
Yeah.
When they discovered Clayface.
That was amazing.
Yeah.
Well, and you're supposed to, I feel like,
you know, one, remember,
he's unredeemable, too.
That was a great point, to Bill's point.
I'm here for that.
You know, because, again, with the humor,
you find out, like, oh, he's likable.
And no, no,
he's actually kind of a terrible person.
Yeah.
But I think, too,
you're supposed to have
sympathy for the bride
because she is going to be the leader.
And eventually,
and they're setting up for
this conflict because eventually,
from what I understand,
Frankenstein is one of the
creature commandos, too.
So you're setting up for...
that future dynamic to work
to to um kind of see where
that goes and it creates
can they coexist and carry
out missions and all of
that and that's setting up
the dynamic for people who
maybe are not as familiar
with creature commanders
and maybe have the only
background they have is
what we we've gotten in
previous works involving
Frankenstein and the bride
um so you're you're getting
this narrative the
storytelling built and
again you see the bride
you're meant to see the bride as strong
independent leader material who, yeah,
she's done some terrible things,
but you kind of like her.
The terrible that she did
was for better reasons than what
you know frankenstein did
exactly and I think that
was the point was you're
supposed to buy it made you
buy the bride more as a
leader and and be more
involved in her story also
seen through bullshit yeah
but you need the you need
that that foil if you will
or you need that character
to make that known and you
really sink into her story
because of how crappy of a
person he is um yeah
But yet, the humor mixed in, too,
and his personality.
You also have to accept him
as part of Creature Commandos.
You can't go too far off where you're like,
I can't accept him at all.
He's horrible.
I kind of have to like him a little bit,
a little bit,
to buy him as part of this dynamic.
Right.
At the end of the day,
they're both the twisted
creations of Victor.
And as much as the bride had
some feelings for him and
she wants to go back for that necklace,
it's pretty fucked up that
he built this woman,
referred to himself
basically as her mother, raised her,
and then he's sleeping with her.
Like,
I suspect this version of
the bride can see how
screwed up that is now as well,
even if it was a happy time
for her in some ways.
You kind of got that in her
flashback episode as well,
where she was kind of
like... I think it
finally... Finding the
necklace itself was kind of
like... And then when it broke,
that's when she was kind of like,
you know what?
This probably wasn't my good
situation I was in here either.
But let's go to probably...
As far as the main core goes,
this is probably one of
my... He's up there for me,
and that's Dr. Phosphorus' episode.
Basically,
we find out that he had been
taking money from the Mafia
to fund his research.
Basically, they come for his money,
I believe is what it was.
They stick him in his own
machine and nuke his ass.
Only you didn't kill him.
You left at the part where
they horribly murder his family.
Yes, there was that part too.
Yes, I forgot all about that.
I mean, that might have been a good thing.
Sorry.
Yeah.
They did kill his family and
then nuke him.
Expecting it to kill him,
which it did not.
Instead,
we get this awesome character in
Dr. Phosphorus now.
And this dude, a special, special human.
And perfect for this team.
I mean, is he leadership material?
No.
But is he there with the bride like, hey,
we have the mission.
Let's get the mission done.
So what was y'all's,
how did y'all see Dr. Phosphorus?
Like, because his one thing is like,
His family.
That was it for him.
That was taken from him.
Hell bent on revenge.
Gets his revenge and then
goes on this almost trying
to think of another Batman
character that kind of did
something similar to this.
I know the Penguin had done
it a few times where they
just like a night out on
the town that just never ends.
You know what I'm saying?
Before eventually getting captured.
So for y'all
I know this was y'all's
introduction to Dr. Phosphorus.
How did y'all, how was that for y'all?
Like getting to see him for
the first time and getting
introduced to this character?
he was beautiful I'm sorry
you're good uh I'm used to
having one person I got
three on tonight so we have
the direct traffic uh he he
was beautifully drawn for
one thing I just loved just
stunning right off the bat
how vivid his colors were
and everything I think just
one of the most
well drawn or well
illustrated um characters
on the show um alan tudyk
is amazing I mean just
right I mean they just
nailed everything with how
they they just made just
brought him to life um his
backstory I mean just again
just you could see how much
he loved his family and
then to lose his family is such a brutal
way and for them to pay the
price for his actions it's
it's a lot you're seeing
that play out um on the
screen is and and just
really sets up for how
dramatic the shift is when
he becomes dr phosphorus
and just lives the the
party that never ends and
gave us you know a meme
that went viral with the
real that went viral for
forever with the dance um
But, I mean, I thought it was really,
really well done.
And it gave you a good
insight into his character.
And, you know,
just the fact that he's just
not afraid to melt people's faces off.
I was like,
you have some brutal ways to kill people.
And, wow.
But, I mean, seeing what he went through,
though, you kind of... It's terrible,
but you kind of get it.
It's that primal rage.
I mean,
what do you do after you lose everything?
You just...
You go on the bender that
never ends kind of thing.
You have to find some way to
bury that pain.
But then now he's channeling
it for a different reason.
And he's definitely one of
the most effective team
members on Creature Commandos.
So I'm here for it.
Let's roll.
Because he can control himself.
Because you see him playing
with his child outside of
the house there.
He's tossing her up and
having a good old time.
And she's not getting burnt.
And I'm like, wait,
I thought he could just, I'm like,
does he have that much
control over his own self
to where he can turn it off
and turn it on like that?
So I thought that was really cool as well.
Randy, over here.
He seems to be able to rock
the wardrobe when he wants to.
Yeah.
But no,
I really wanted just yes and Amanda,
right?
Because he's lost everything.
He's got nothing to lose.
That makes him the perfect scary monster.
He's got a permanent mask to hide behind.
He looks like he's smiling
whether he wants to or not.
But I think there was
another thing driving him.
It was the anger and the vengeance,
but it was also...
His wife said,
you don't have to do it this way.
You don't have to go about it this way.
And he knew that she was right.
He tried to pawn off some
bullshit data to the mob,
got himself in too deep,
couldn't get himself out of it.
So when he takes on that persona,
when he goes after Rupert Thorne's gang,
he's like, yeah, I am the criminal.
I invited this into my
family's life I made it
happen so I think it's
vengeance but also guilt
because he knows that he
did it and she knew better
and she tried to warn him
um so I love that but that
makes him the perfect tool
now for this government
agency if I can yes and
randy uh I because what the
guilt part of it is super
important because it also allows him
like to have this change your heart.
Like he,
he does the face turn because
ultimately he's like, yeah,
let's just kill people.
I don't care about anybody.
Let's just burn the world.
You know,
he literally burned the world if
he wants to like literal figurative.
But at the end, again,
it's one of my favorite
moments is when he puts his
hand on the bride's back.
I've mentioned it before.
It just is like,
it's such a big turning
point in the part with the
kid too where it's just
like one of the most tense
parts because he is
maniacal and he says I'm
not smiling you're like oh
shit he is a killer he's a
monster and we realize
there is a shred of
humanity left within him
just want he just misses
being a dad and ultimately
I think that's what
overrides everything like
he is still going to
literally kill people in
the most vicious way possible oh my god
But I think he's more of a
team player now.
He's more for the side of,
as our buddy Tyler McCarthy would say,
for the side of the Angels type.
And I think that's important
because everyone goes through this,
and he's the antithesis of Frankenstein.
He's given this teachable moment,
which I hate that word.
Sorry, teacher.
It's this teachable moment,
and he gets the right lesson out of it.
like you know this kid saved
his life much like the old
ladies frankenstein
frankenstein's like yeah
I'm just gonna kill her
where he could have killed
the kid because you need it
like from his practical
standpoint he could have
but he realized now he'd
rather get caught honestly
than hurt his kid yeah
because I mean when he he
sees the little girl he the
first thing that happens is
he gets the flashback to
his own little girl yeah
and then when they come back
he's like they're playing
he's tossing her up and
they're having this good
old time and I'm like and
he yeah dr phosphorus I
will say there is another
spin off of dr phosphorus
that don't belong to dc he
belongs to another another
franchise that I wrote
about for bill and then
broke no I'm talking about
uh from ghost machine
Oh, yeah, that's right.
And our never-to-be-launched
best comic books of the year.
Don't worry.
I'm going to re-roll it.
I'm going to put the review
up on thedfpn.com for
everybody to read because I
thought it was a phenomenal write-up.
It was.
It was a true shame that no
one wanted to do that piece besides you.
Let's jump over to Nina's story now.
And...
This one was another one of
those where it's a parent
who just wants the best for
their kid and gives it to them,
but it isn't quite what he
thought it was going to be.
Also,
this is the finale episode with
episode seven, and this one was...
Oh, boy.
You all right over there, Bill?
Yeah, yeah.
That was just the rat that was in my eye.
Spoiler.
Just a hint.
I love it.
But let's jump into this one.
So during this whole finale,
we're kind of getting Nina's story,
and they saved it for last for a reason.
And she really was the
character at the end of the
day that showed all of them
that there was humanity in them.
And, you know, but in the end,
it didn't save her because
the princess was a it is or was,
I should say,
a maniacal human being
herself who ended up really
actually being a monster in
the monster scene through it.
We'll start with, let's go with Randy.
Randy,
what did you think of Nina's story
and ultimately her demise
in this episode?
Yeah,
I was not at all surprised they saved
it for the end.
Because along the way,
you're trying to figure out
who is actually a criminal.
And by my personal assessment,
the only one who seems to be like...
officially a criminal is Dr. Phosphorus.
Presumably the bride's done
some shit because she's not afraid.
She's got a laundry list.
Randy, when you mentioned that just now,
I just got him dancing in
that Party City pimp suit.
That's the spinoff I want, by the way.
It's just Dr. Prosperous Prime Lord.
I would watch a whole series
of just that little moment in time.
That is James Gunn's ultimate power trip.
He's like, I'm going to make this spinoff.
They're like,
no one really wants it but Randy.
And it's just like,
I'm going to make it for Randy!
Right, and you end the series,
we get to see how Batman
took him down exactly.
We want to talk about Batman really,
really was,
he was really bulky in season four.
It was.
He was like a real fat Batman.
Yeah.
But like with Nina,
like the tragedy is like no
matter how much her dad loves her,
no matter how much he
stands up for her when, you know,
her mother is clearly
struggling with the trauma
that came with this
incredibly difficult situation.
this incredibly difficult birth.
And we don't like where she lands,
but we can understand the
story and how she got there.
And at the end of the day,
it's too much for her to bear.
She sees herself as a monster.
She gets captured.
If this story had followed
the trajectory of some of the others,
maybe she was going to have
an outburst and kill some
people after her father gets shot and
That's what I thought was
going to happen when her
father got killed in front of her.
I thought that was going to be her,
her breaking moment and how
she ended up being captured ultimately.
But she just willingly just
went after the death of her father.
Cause that's really what kind of set her,
you know, with, um,
I'm having a hard time with words today.
Good thing I brought Randy on.
At the end of the day, she's not a killer,
and that's what's so tough.
That's why Amanda Waller is
such a great villain.
The performance is amazing,
but she's an evil genius
because Nina's skill is she
is going to soften everyone
else and give them someone else.
really to protect um she
only lost that battle
because she wasn't really
prepared to kill someone
that wasn't really in her
nature she never wanted to
do it and that's it's uh it
makes me feel great about
the humanity of nina but it
makes the whole thing even
scarier because we don't
see those skills well we
didn't see the princess
being a complete badass
like that either go hop over to amanda
So Nina's story, again,
was really well done.
It was another
heart-wrenching story because it just,
you know, all of her story, in a sense,
just came about because
other people pushed her.
Like, she really had no...
say and what happened to her
I mean obviously her
parents she was too little
to make the choices that
her parents made she was
too little to affect her
mother leaving she was you
know kind of and even kind
of just being pushed out in
school like these were all
a lot of what happened to
her was the most impacted by other people
And that's hard to watch
because you really were
rooting for her and you
were wanting her to turn it
around because she really
was just a victim of other
people's bad decision making.
Yeah.
And just, you know, or, and again,
you know,
I think her parents were
well-intended and try,
especially her dad trying
to save her life.
And that's absolutely commendable.
I mean, who wouldn't do those things?
Types of children.
He did save her life.
Yeah.
He did.
And I think,
but I think she just fell into
a pattern of other people
heavily influencing her decisions.
Again, not putting up much of a fight.
Again, when you're grief stricken, though,
that's a reaction you can have.
It's realistic.
But, you know, she was led on by, you know,
the bride,
like everybody else in Creature
Command just kind of ran
her over a little bit politely.
They were never mean to her
or rude to her or anything.
But she was a follower.
She was not a leader.
And then to expect this big
moment from her to go kill
the princess was, to Randy's point,
a big ask.
And you were hoping that she
would channel some of that energy.
You wanted to see her become...
to stand up for herself and
to do something to like and
that's what I was waiting
for I was like okay we've
had this build and it goes
back to the first episode
where I think where amanda
waller was like she's the
one you need to influence
and that's a great point
randy that you made I
didn't think about that in
terms of her role in
facilitating kind of giving
giving everybody someone to protect
but I was hoping I think for
a bigger kind of a bigger
payoff and so for her story
to end and that's what I'm
hoping for in season two
that there's more to her
story like you really just
want to see her come into
her moment and to be so
close to it and then it not
happen that one I was like
oh like she was probably
the one that for the for
the pretty much the whole
time I was like come on
Come on, Nina.
Or just even to stand up for herself.
And at times she showed
glimpses of that in how she
interacted with the bride.
But I just wanted her to be
able to make her own decisions.
She was the bride's good
conscience at many points.
She was.
But seeing more of that and
seeing more of her
influence her own life is what I really,
really wanted to see.
And I'm hoping we still get some of that.
bill over to you yeah uh her
story is like james gunn
you and manipulate
emotionally manipulative
bastard like he did it
again yeah he did like we
had yondu and guardians too
hey that was still hurts uh
don't get me started about
that uh and I mean we had
there's so many things that
happen in the suicide squad
like like you know rick
flag you have other people just
he'll take someone off the board,
but I don't think Nina's off the board.
We didn't see them.
She wasn't buried or anything like that.
It's creature commandos, guys.
She'll come back,
and I think that's where
she's going to have that badass moment,
Amanda.
I think that's season two where I see her.
And what I ultimately hope
she does is she kills Aquaman.
Because... No,
he's not going to kill Aquaman,
but there's going to
definitely be Aquaman jokes
written into it because there should be.
Especially now that he's Lobo.
Yeah, and you know,
they're going to cast me as Aquaman.
It's just like old Aquaman.
Look at him.
He's got a bad neck and his
gills are rotting out of his neck.
Aquaman that I grew up with
in the comic book was a blonde-haired,
blue-eyed, white dude.
Not this big old Jason Momoa fella.
I have no complaints.
Excuse me.
I have no complaints about
how Aquaman got that glow up.
It's fine.
Yeah,
let him shake that water out of his hair,
man.
It's all good.
He saw that coming, right?
But I think that Nina is
just like ultimately her
story was you have to be one of us.
You have to be one of us.
And the story was no,
everyone needed to be one of her.
And I think that's what's going to work.
And
I wonder,
could that lead to her in a heel
turn in season two?
That she taps into some sort
of dark side or a revenge?
You guys convinced me to go
against my morals.
Now you've unwoken the beast
that's finally inside of me,
and I'm going to be this
evil mastermind who's going
to come back and
While she's recovering in the hospital bed,
she's like, you know what?
She's in a hospital.
I'd rather see them team up
against the dehumanizing
government agency.
That's my whole thing.
I agree.
I would like that back and forth.
The one thing I have to
shout out about Nina before
we move on from her is my
favorite thing to do in
life is just play a board game.
If I can ever convince the
people in my life to sit
back and play a board game, life is good.
That's my ultimate goal.
If I lived up Bayou Randy,
I would come play board games with you.
We're going to make this
happen someday because
they're holed up in the
brothel fighting for their
lives and she's like,
I see a gaming opportunity.
Let me grab Scattergories.
Are you in Jersey too, Randy?
Randy is a Bostonian.
You're a Bostonian?
Massachusetts anyway.
Okay.
It's basically the same thing.
The armpit of Massachusetts.
It's all Boston.
Listen, I'm in the armpit of America.
As long as they keep Sam Adams flowing,
we're all good.
Is it?
A fun visit to the Sam Adams
Brewery for sure.
So before we leave Creature Commandos,
how did y'all feel about
the ending and the bride
seeing through the
princess's bullshit and just ending it?
We'll start with Randy since
he just seen it.
How'd you take that final shot?
So the way I kicked off my
chat with my buddy Chris Ingersoll,
who loved this show,
was I love the ending.
Because I was like, wait,
how are they going to land the plane?
We're at a runway.
Is all they're going to do
just like set up season two?
And I was feeling annoyed for a second.
This was a perfect ending
for me because it wasn't too messy.
They tied up some loose ends
but left some open questions.
I love it because there's
some ambiguity here.
There's no part of me that
thinks the princess is innocent, right?
But I don't think we saw
anything to like one
hundred percent prove that
Cersei's vision is going to
come true like like this.
This princess is sinister.
We saw those eyes go evil under the water.
We saw that bloodlust for the kill.
And I think the bride did
assess the situation properly.
But we don't really know the
exact machinations.
Right.
Like.
I love the film Minority Report, right?
This whole question,
can you try someone for the
crime before they're guilty?
The bride does it based on
some pretty good evidence.
But what a great way to tie that up.
She just makes that call on her own.
Who cares what Amanda Waller has to say?
I'm going to follow through
on my mission my own way.
And that's why this was the
bride's show for me.
And I personally loved the ending.
I felt closure and just
sense of excitement for two.
Amanda, over to you.
I enjoyed it.
I thought it was a good...
It closed the loop on a few things,
but yet you got the
definitive backstories for everybody.
You got a sense of where
they were going to go.
It closed the chapter on
that current version of the
Creature Commandos that we got.
Of course,
it left the door open for the
new version as well.
There's a lot of Creature
Commandos that we have not
seen and that they can
introduce from the comic book.
I'm excited to see what
they're going to do with it.
So it feels very fresh for
them to go that approach.
But I also, I mean, the bride's a badass.
I loved her.
She's my favorite character.
So I'm just here.
I mean, it was circumstantial evidence.
It was.
I was like, whew,
that's a risky move there.
But it was effective.
I mean, the princess had it coming.
I mean, you stabbed Nina.
I don't like you either.
I mean, I was never going to trust her.
Like, the way she threw herself at Rick.
Like she was like the female
in a Hemingway novel.
It's the hair.
I knew she had some ulterior motive.
I mean, he's a handsome guy,
but there was something
more going on there for sure.
It's because he's a dopey piece of shit.
Richard Flagg.
I call him Rick because he's my friend.
Leo?
Only you.
So, some issues with the ending here.
I brought up the Clayface part of it.
The Cersei prophecy thing is so muddy.
It's just like, okay, so Princess...
Cosmo because Marina
Bakalova voiced Cosmo in
Guardians and I forgot her
name within the show so
she's Princess Cosmo now
she employs Clayface to be
to go and infiltrate and be
the kill the professor and take over
I don't know how that fits.
It just doesn't,
the puzzle pieces don't fit
for me on that.
It's cool, but also like,
but I do love how the bride
pulled and Randy on our
socially distance episode.
I did, I did a reference.
It was a very Benoit Blanc type of, well,
I loved, like I said, like, I love that.
I love the new team.
which is great.
The King shark back.
Ah, so good.
I will take him at any kind
of media I can get.
Yeah.
And, and I just, um,
I just think that the
motivations and the vision, I'm just like,
it just didn't,
they didn't land the plane
for me on that.
But the ending where she
just caps the princess,
because I think the
princess was a hundred percent guilty.
Circumstantial evidence be damned,
your honor.
I've seen enough law and order.
I mean, she was totally guilty.
She was totally guilty, but.
That kill was for Mina.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That was like,
you're getting this bullet for Mina.
And it was just the perfect dead center.
That's satisfying as fuck.
I don't care.
So we're going to jump over
to Skeleton Crew,
but we are greenlit already
for Creature Commandos Season Two.
And I love the fact that
James Gunn is just like, I'm DC.
This is my show.
We're getting Season Two, guys.
And I'm not mad.
Cheers to the Tin Man.
Oh, yeah.
Speaking of someone on the juice,
holy shit.
Yeah, robot man.
Oh, yeah.
I forgot about that.
What a glow up.
He did have a glow up in episode seven.
That dude got yoked and yoked fast.
Oh, my God.
Speaking of robots,
let's go talk about our new
favorite robot in SM-XXXIII, Shmi.
And close up Creature
Commandos for everybody.
I know we think we left off at episode...
For last time,
I think we're at the halfway
point the last time we talked about it.
So we'll jump right into it
at episode five.
And so just for everybody who doesn't know,
this takes place during the
same time frame as the Mandalorian.
And we're talking about a
planet that has been
potentially hidden away
since the old Republic era.
So this planet has been
hidden for a very long time.
And the planet just operates.
It continues what it was put there to do,
and that is to create Republic credits.
is a uh a complete treasure
planet which is you know
what they've come out now
and have said like oh yeah
we we kind of based this
entire thing off uh
treasure planet type of uh
you know you know spin to
it so let's jump in did you
make a reference to long
forgotten disney classic treasure planet
I did.
Because that's what they literally said.
Like, hey, yeah,
we literally took Treasure Planet,
fucking threw it in the Star Wars.
And hey, this is what we got.
And I'm not mad.
I really enjoyed this show.
We'll start with Randy.
What did you think about the
cast of this show?
so I was really excited for skeleton crew,
like conceptually, like, like,
can we come in and do this
Goonies ask show?
Um,
but I was a little bit worried because it,
it's tough to cast kid actors.
And I had the great pleasure
of chatting with Bill and
Amanda about the two part
premiere back in December.
Uh, and really enjoyed it.
And Bill's like,
I've done so many pods since then.
I can see it on your face.
No, but, uh,
I also was looking at
Amanda's twelve gallon jug
of water over there.
You know what?
I'm staying hydrated, sir.
It's Texas.
Listen,
I really loved the kids in the
premiere and they continue
to be a strong suit all the
way through to the end.
I really enjoyed this series.
I hope they find a way to
bring us these characters again.
But honestly,
my biggest critique is they
needed to write the parents
out of it more.
to let these kids stay front
and center for me.
That, that was like my biggest note.
Um,
And the kids are incredible.
And Jude Law was just on
another level because this
is my absolute favorite
type of character.
Even when he was saying
horrible things to the
children and like you hate him,
you love to hate him.
We've seen him previously
have this really meaningful
heart to heart with Wim.
And then to see this like
broken child there and Jod is just like,
you're the most annoying one.
And it's so painful.
And I'm like, why do I still like him?
but like but then you know I
know I'm going out of order
here a little bit but when
we get to the finale like
he's genuinely concerned
for kb when that ship is
going down he is not happy
that she might get killed
so there's there's
something redeemable there
um and I know we're going
to dig into him later so I
don't want to I don't want
to go too early on that but
yeah jude law was
incredible and these kids
really blew me away amanda
I mean, Randy, I get why you dug Jude Law.
I mean, he's a delfy piece of shit.
I mean, Jude Law, though, charismatic.
Charismatic as hell in this part.
But that's the thing about Jude Law.
I think there was a period
of time growing up where
Jude Law was everywhere.
He was in everything for a
period of time and then
kind of like low-key went
under the radar and then he's back.
He's one of those actors
that you sometimes take for
granted that you don't
remember how good he is
until he puts on a
performance like this where
he takes you through everything.
Everything.
And this just reminded me
how great Jude Law really,
and how underrated he is as an actor.
Because he really did, like, to your point,
Randy, I will, you know, he,
you loved him.
He was charismatic.
You saw him broken.
And then you see him and you're like, wow,
you are savage to these kids.
Like, what?
Dude, like...
But then you liked him again.
Yeah, I was like,
you are not holding back.
Wow, you just let them have it.
The kids were great.
I loved KB.
I thought she had,
and I know we'll talk about them more,
but each of the kids had a
different arc and their own
ways of growing and own paces of growing.
For me,
there was definitely a difference
in who had the most growth.
And, of course,
whose growth struggled a little bit.
But, I mean,
the kid actors were all great
in their parts.
Neil is the goodest boy.
If anybody hurts Neil,
you will answer to me.
And everybody here on this podcast.
And his girlfriend.
Exactly.
She can kick your ass.
exactly exactly I I'm here
for it I thought the kids
were all well cast um and
yeah the adults I'm with
you randy on that I I have
loads just although they
did have the the dad had
some some redeemable
moments I just later later
later but you know I I
think I think I think a
little compared to the mom
compared to the mom
Being a little harsh there, brother.
Compared to the mom.
Yeah.
But this is really about the kids.
As it should have been.
And Jude Law.
You greet the kids on the
beach at the end after
they've resolved the
adventure on their own.
That's how the formula works.
I got you.
That's true.
Yeah, I...
don't generally like kid
actors uh they're mostly I
feel like jude law and I'm
like you're annoying you're
so annoying but that wasn't
the case here and um my
sophie my daughter she was
a huge fan of kb she loves
a gal who's into who's a
who's technical get the job
done uh fern I felt at
times was a little too one note
But I feel like there was an
episode where everything
changed for this series,
and that was episode five,
when Jude Law has that
really heartfelt speech with Wim.
And then they all change for the better.
They all evolve.
Amanda, we talked about this,
the scene with KB and Wim,
when she's basically dying,
and it's so suspenseful.
Yeah.
I mean, even for a, you know,
for a forty three year old,
it was a little scary
because like those kids could die.
Well, and I was like, and it's Wim.
And it's Wim.
It's Wim.
That was my like.
Yeah.
You're like, you're calling him.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, push the button.
You're like, baby boy, what are you doing?
Yeah.
I was like,
someone that pushed the button.
This is the one that doesn't
listen to do it.
I was like, oh, gosh, this is the Bryce.
This is the Bryce Dallas Howard episode,
wasn't it?
Wow.
Yeah, I think so.
Let's talk about that for a second.
Didn't she do the crab one
with the giant crab puppet?
This is the crab one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When they're on the treasure,
where they find the treasure.
the spa they ruined it so
nice I would have enjoyed
that but I thought the cast
was great Jude Law is I was
telling Amanda up until the
final moment I was like I
was just hoping for this
whole like wink I wasn't I
was just being mean to you
because I needed to keep my
cover because I'm really the hero because
You liked him that much and
he was that convincing.
That's what's great about
that character because it's
such a gray area character.
He's based on Lon John Silver.
Lon John Silver was not the good guy.
He was not a protagonist.
He was not redeemable at all.
But here they made him
redeemable and Amanda's right.
We forget Jude Law, how great he is.
Go watch a great underrated
film that most people didn't see,
Road to Perdition with Tom Hanks.
One of Paul Newman's last roles.
Jude Law, a very
Before he was a star, Daniel Craig.
Jude Law plays this
gross-looking assassin.
Fantastic in it.
But he's done so much great stuff.
He was fantastic.
And I have to put over Nick
Frost as SM-XXXIII.
That's my dude.
I love Nick Frost.
I've been a fan of his forever.
And he was the perfect...
surly cranky bill bodkin of
a robot if there ever was
one and uh you know and I I
actually didn't mind the
parents you know tv on the
radios lead singer was I
thought he had some really
good moments where you said
like oh he is whim is his
father's son you know and
that was cool to see
although he kind of he kind
of beefed it in the end
uh fern's mom they did he
tried they just they they
did her dirty with the
writing because she's a
good actress carrie condon
but yeah overall it's a
really good cast some good
cameos in there and uh yeah
I really like what they did
here although apparently it
was viewed for a billion
minutes so I mean it can't be wow
Yeah.
There's a lot of shows you'd be surprised.
So many people... I've seen
that brought up today on a
meme where they were
talking about the number of
people who viewed it.
I'm like, a billion.
That's...
That's a lot of people who
watch this show.
No, it's a billion minutes,
not a billion people.
Well, yeah, a billion minutes.
That's still a hefty change of people.
And I think the show has legs, too,
because I'm hearing more people,
like just even my own social media,
Amanda, I don't know about you or Randy,
more people are catching it now.
Yes.
And I think that's like we
have to reevaluate streaming.
And I think companies still
haven't done this yet with
the stickiness of stuff of just like...
lot of people wait till it's
over then they watch it
yeah wait for socially
distance or this podcast to
come out and they're like
oh smart people and that
dilfy son of a bill said
watch the show yeah you got
to show some faith in a
project and all the stuff
they did with practical
effects on this show like
like the big set piece is
that stop motion crab
situation that looked hours
upon hours upon hours upon
days upon days to just do
like small portions to move
a leg I've seen the um
behind the scenes on that I
mean just at the end of the day
We don't just want washed
out CGI all the time.
No,
that was one of those... You want real
stuff,
like the completely real Tak
Renaud's lair behind me.
Which I thought actually was real.
There's a sucker born every day.
We don't have to talk about
each and every single episode.
Let's
let's just answer some
questions that I stole from
amanda human star wars
encyclopedia amanda rivas
for a reason they were good
questions so I was just
like hey amanda I'm gonna
borrow some stuff from you
and we'll throw some more
stuff in as we go so I know this question
So I like this one.
Yeah.
Who do you think John not
not Narwood really is?
And at the end of the day,
how did you feel him about
him being the the villain?
And what did you think about
Jude Law's performance as this?
I know we've already touched on it.
So it's a perfect time to
kind of just dive into that one.
And Crimson Jack is not a wrong answer.
No, I loved it, though.
I didn't.
Yeah, me too.
I love that reference.
I'll never get tired of that reference.
I think he is someone we are,
this is not a real answer,
but he is someone we have
not seen the last of.
I feel like he is a
character that we're going
to see in twenty twenty six
on the big screen in Krogu
and the Mandalorian.
You don't just do a one-off with Jude Law.
Especially if this takes
place in the Mandoverse,
which I don't know if this
is a question or not.
I'm glad we didn't get any
Mando cameos or characters.
We got the one.
And that was fine.
Which is, if people don't know,
it's one of the pirates.
It's the pirate who discovers the money.
But if you don't know that,
you're not missing anything.
But if you do know that,
obviously I didn't.
Uh, or at least I forgot,
like I always do.
It's even sweeter.
So, I mean,
there's a tie there into this
and that's what I want to see.
Like, I'm sorry.
Amanda,
how do you feel about Jude Law and
Pedro getting on screen together?
I mean,
I think that would be pretty crazy.
Somebody will have to do a welfare check?
Wellness check?
Somebody's got to check on me.
Brandon's just going to fill
a popcorn bucket full of
water and just dump it on you.
Hey, Brandon, check on Amanda.
We'll have loads to say next
time you bring on a Star Wars podcast.
We will.
I had to save her life more
than once during this TV series.
I think it's like we're
going to see this character
getting too good to pass up, too charming,
and has a lot of, Randy,
I'm going to just borrow your phrase,
a lot of runway left where
this could be an antagonist,
or it could be an ally,
or given what we know of
this Filoni-verse, a little bit of both.
Yeah.
We'll go over to you, Randy.
Yeah, I mean, listen,
I'm going to go out and say
I don't even know if I
would call him the villain
of Skeleton Crew.
I'm being a little bit
playful with my language here.
You're saying it's the parents.
I mean, yes.
Okay, listen.
When you're in a movie like
this and you've been a
total piece of shit the
entire time and the villain
has a lightsaber to your
throat and your son can
save the galaxy...
You have to be, like, selfless.
You're like, no, do it, Wim.
But no, he's like, Wim,
let him have what he wants
so I can survive.
And I was like, dude, come on.
You had one job.
No, but no,
I think it's just the galaxy in general,
right?
I know we got a lot of lies from Jod,
but I am inclined to
believe we got more or less
the real story from him at the end where,
like, he was taken in by a Jedi,
partially trained, and...
thrown away basically like
the the jedi are a pretty
screwed up organization
like taking children from
their families thrown away
yeah she found him after
order of sixty six she
herself was a padawan she
still had her brain so she
wasn't even a full-up jedi
knight yet so okay so I'll
I won't push back on that but
What I would say here is
this Jedi way is so coded in, like,
these controlling, limiting methods.
So, you know,
I'm forgetting his
word-for-word speech about
the falling out here,
if they drifted away
naturally or if there was
any sort of disagreement.
No, she got killed by Inquisitors.
Okay,
so he's left partially trained or
whatever,
but the reason I'm excited by that,
and I would love to see him again,
is what I want from Star
Wars is I want the gray area.
I want those gray Jedi,
and every time they veer toward it,
they chicken out.
They chicken out at the last second.
And I want them to just lean into it.
Like we got pretty close with the Acolyte,
but then they went and canceled it.
So we don't get to continue
to fully explore the most
promising characters from that series.
I mean, maybe we will.
Those arms might be back.
I hope.
But like Judd could be a guy
where he is a selfish piece of garbage.
Wait, what's Dark Forces canon?
There's no such thing as a Grey Jedi.
This is zero.
This is Bill,
and we're talking about his
hair and my beard.
I would just love to see him
continue to be someone who
is self-serving,
but he's sometimes more complicated.
He may have a redemption arc,
but I'm not in a rush for it.
You know,
my favorite gray Jedi is from
video game lore,
which is no longer canon.
But I love to talk about my guy,
Jolie Bindo from the Republic,
who is an overall well-meaning guy.
But he's someone who left the Jedi Order.
He's someone who worked as a smuggler.
And I want to lean into that.
Like,
there's a way to access the force
that's not Jedi coded.
And I'm still waiting for
them to get there.
And Jod's a possibility for it.
So that's my excitement for him.
it's acceptable I like it I
want randy to write the new
the next time please as
long as he doesn't use the
term gray jedi oh I want I
want him the gray jedi all
over the place it's going
to be a lot of people talking in rooms
As long as you're right.
It's going to be very stage
play Star Wars.
Yes.
As long as one of those Jedi
is Chris Angersall, they won't be.
please.
As long as one of those,
I'm here for that.
And then if you can just
write a part for Manny
Jacinto to just show up
with his arms again, that would be great.
I mean, listen,
I think they established
him as ageless enough that
if they want to bring him back,
I think they can.
A thousand plus years?
There you go.
Yoda was like seven thousand years old,
right?
Come on.
Nine hundred.
That one wasn't nine hundred or so years.
It was Luke's incisive
questioning that didn't let
him live to a thousand.
Sorry, I realized
This was not meant to be an
Acolyte podcast.
I apologize.
No, you're flying, man.
It's timely.
It was one of the most
watched things on Disney
Plus in twenty twenty four.
So despite that,
and there's always room for the Acolyte.
We know.
Oh, my God.
I'm here for the lightsaber battles, too.
Come on now.
Those were great.
I mean,
we did get to see a crystal get bled, so.
Yeah, we did.
We got that, and we had, you know, again,
just.
We almost had Keanu Reeves as a Jedi, so.
You know, it's never too late.
Well, as a Jedi.
I prefer Sith.
Bring me Darth Revan, please.
Of course you prefer Sith.
You're like your Jedi.
You're like your kings.
Short name.
This is true.
Did you say we got Keanu Reeves as a Jedi?
He was supposed to be the lead of... No.
No, they're talking about that, too.
Oh, well, he was supposed to be...
Christ, I can't remember his name.
He was supposed to be the
head guy in The Acolyte.
Oh.
Squid Game.
It was originally supposed
to be Keanu Reeves.
Yes, that's right.
But he had to pull out due
to other commitments,
or he couldn't commit fully,
so they brought in the
actor from Squid Game.
Bill, I've got such good news for you.
You can catch Keanu as an
anthropomorphic animated
office building in an
episode of Severance.
Wait, he's a building?
He's an animated building that talks.
Is he the building that they work in?
Because that's ten minutes from my house.
Yep, yep, yep.
He's just a corporate video cartoon voice.
He's basically Mr. DNA from Jurassic Park.
Nice.
An animation of the building.
So Bill's going to go walk
by that building.
I could drive there.
Let's walk in distance from Bill.
Hey, I'm a building.
that's pretty much it yes
Johnny Monomic nice a DVD
that my dad got me as a
joke Christmas present one
year and I tried to trade
it in to Suncoast Video
they would never take it
they said we cannot even
give you a dollar for this
this movie is worth a
quarter and we do not trade
in for movies less than a
dollar I was like
I just threw it out after a while.
What do you think the
percentage of former
employees of that
particular store now run a podcast?
Ninety nine percent because
there was that one dude who
just didn't give a shit.
And it's all still from
their mom's basement.
Alright, guys.
The floor's so strong with this one, man.
I cannot.
We miss poor Jod and Jude
Law and his delfiness.
Let's jump over to the kids now.
Which of these kids, in y'all's opinion,
got the best arc and best
redemption out of all of them?
Who had the most growth?
See, I'm restructuring her questions.
KB.
Randy,
are you going to be the odd man out
and go with somebody different?
I'll be the odd man out.
Listen, I love KB.
She's awesome,
but she was so self-assured.
She does have to stand up to Fern,
finally.
But in terms of an arc,
I'm going to actually go
and give it to Wim.
That's what I went with the first time,
too.
Yeah,
like he's going from this kid who's
playing with his toys.
He's got these really simple
versions of Jedi and Sith in his mind.
And that's certainly
complicated through his voyage.
But, you know, he is able...
to in that moment with KB,
he's able to find some
focus and patience within himself.
He's able to lean into his
skills and come up and tell
that distracting story.
And as much as I've
complained about his dad,
he definitely does the most
work to like push his dad
in the right direction,
to instruct him on something,
to bring him somewhere.
And I also just thought he
was so fun overall.
I realize that's a little
bit different than an arc,
but one of my favorite
things about that
performance in particular
is the lines of dialogue
they wrote for him that
just sounded like a kid,
like just little grammatical errors,
like referring to Jedis
with the S at the end.
I didn't write it down,
but I think when they're
trying to escape from that
machine at the end of episode six,
he's like, it's chomped down too hard.
It's just always some
phraseology that a kid
would really come up with.
I love that about him.
And we go from activating
the lightsaber backwards to
being able to stand up to a
legit pirate and
He really helped everyone grow,
including Neil, my guy Neil.
So there you go.
Yeah, well said, Randy.
Well said on Wim.
I mean,
I was always a little bit partial
to Wim because he reminds
me of so much of my own kiddo.
Yeah.
At times, he did, and still does.
A little mischievous.
Yeah, definitely.
What's this button do?
but my little little revis
would have pushed the
button a thousand and ten
percent a thousand and ten
percent would he have
stabbed himself with the
lightsaber like nearly
stabbed himself holding
upside down absolutely okay
it's okay though you can
live from that now only
qui-gon guys from them this
is true yeah this is true
but well said well said on
on whim but what did you
think jeff you know what I
went with will last time
This time,
I'm going to go with my guy Neil.
Nice.
Not because he's an easy answer,
but because seeing him up
there on that big old
cannon blasting at pirates
was not the thing I was
expecting to really see from Neil.
So seeing his growth from
the scared child to this, oh,
let me climb up the ladder
and get on this blaster
cannon and start blasting pirates.
That was kind of like, my dude,
that's what's up.
And he got the girls.
He did.
It's the trunk.
They say it's not the size of the trunk,
but they'll prove different.
I mean,
I think it was more his overalls
that really sold.
It's been those last gosh, but gosh,
overalls he was rocking.
And that like comb over.
I heard it works.
I think it was that really
attractive moral strength
of character and emotional
intelligence that the ladies go for.
Girls don't dig that no more.
What are you talking about?
Yes, we do.
I don't know.
This new generation, man.
They go for emotional
intelligence and moral centers.
I'll tell you that.
Like, she's never seen kindness before.
That's pretty much how she phrases it.
And she likes what she sees.
Yeah.
Emotional IQ.
High emotional IQ.
Go, Neil.
Although,
I would say he took the most bumps.
Like, the most risks.
He did.
I was like.
He did.
He definitely.
He has a couple cracked ribs.
That final one.
Shmi almost got him.
He went nuts at the was it the temple?
I will say out of all the parents,
Neil's parents were also my favorite.
Yes.
His dad was a big old fella.
Yeah, you don't mess with him.
yeah that's why they didn't
put him in because like oh
man he's got some weight
behind him he definitely
yeah he definitely knocked
somebody out like he's got
that dad beer strength
you're like nah we can't
yeah show show would have
been over yeah at that
point that's intimidation
you're just like yeah
pirates glasses jones we
can do one of those like
where he takes his son and
sticks it behind him like
what'd you say about my son
Exactly.
He could fit his whole family behind him.
He was that big.
But yeah, that's why they're just,
that was smart.
So let's jump over to the supervisor.
What did y'all guys think
about the supervisor?
And like,
were y'all really shocked that it
was a droid?
I was shocked.
I was like,
I wouldn't expect the
supervisor to be a droid.
We'll go with a...
Let's go with Randy shaking
his head like he's like, yeah, pick me,
pick me.
Okay,
so I will say I usually don't call
anything,
but I was never more sure of
anything that this was
going to be a robot.
And the reason why, I mean,
it was partly like all the
robots controlling
everything else and
everything being so regimented.
And as we learned that this
planet seemed to be cut off
from everything.
But more than that,
despite all the talk of
like the Goonies and eighties movies,
when I started watching this,
I felt like I was playing fallout.
Because like as soon as we
were introduced to Aten, I was like,
this feels like a vault.
from Fallout and it's always some kind of,
you know,
social experiment at the bottom of it.
Now,
what did surprise me was that in
constructing this whole
system in this droid,
they apparently put all the
most essential components
right in that little,
very vulnerable eye socket
right there that one
lightsaber could deactivate.
I thought that was a pretty
big design flaw considering
all the heft and weight to that machine.
If we know anything about Star Wars,
architecture is never their strong suit.
No.
True.
Everything's always at one point.
Either are the fell safes.
Fell safes?
Non-existent.
Although I was wondering if
the parents were going to
be more surprised,
because I felt like Fern's
mom did not seem surprised.
She was the number two.
She got called up to the
supervisor multiple times
throughout the series.
So I think she did know.
but she still wanted fern to
show that proper decorum
like like you might show to
yeah a more traditional
living being but uh you
know that's where it kind
of got me because she's
like just you know
shoulders back you know I'm
like it's kind of weird but
I'm like I still feel like
it's going to be a droid to
almost anything when they
want to feel safe I guess I
mean they were safe like they
I got what you're I got what
you were putting down there
randy uh but yeah I I
wasn't surprised either
because every time they
just kept saying the robots
kept saying the supervisor
will see you and I'm just
like okay this is all
sports our son yes they are
there's one flaw they uh
it just kept I'm just like
this is not a real thing
this is going to be like
this is going to be just
this is a hidden society it
is archaic in so many ways
this has to be not a human
being running this this has
to be a droid or a robot or
a sentient being which it
sort of was but yeah I
wasn't surprised by that
and I also was very happy that
it was taken down so quickly
because it's like that's
how fragile this whole
thing was like yeah all you
had to do was like that was
stab it in the flashlight
and it was dead you know
and it's just like our
whole society's dead
because the light bulb went
out you know what I mean
and it's like I like that
fact of just how fragile it was because
It just spoke to so much
about faith and belief in
governmental systems.
It speaks to a lot of larger
things that someone who
hosts a media literacy
podcast could really talk about.
diving deep into like power
structures and belief and
all that sort of stuff
because like they even
though the mom knew it is a
god damn like it's it's
basically a Dalek without
legs you know what I mean
without a bottom it's a top
it's a Dalek head is the is
it rotates yeah and so it's
like she knew and yet she
was still like yeah I
totally submit all of this
completely subservient
like she was the number two
and this is what got me
this is why I thought it
may actually be a human at
first just because like
well she's the number two
maybe it's kind of like a
secession thing and that's
why these kids are tested
because remember we started
the whole season with them
being tested to see where
they will be in society so
I'm thinking okay it's like
the next man up type of
deal and her mom's the
number two so she's the
next person up to be the
supervisor I will
I will say after the whole
stick him with the pointy
end thing worked and stuck
him in the flashlight and he shut down,
a little part of me was like, oh,
was I wrong about the droid?
Is a Jeff Goldblum going to
pop out from behind the camera now?
Thank you.
Hey, everybody, I'm a shitty dad.
And you're like, oh, man.
And I'm here like, hi.
You're just a guilty piece of shit.
Come here.
Thank you.
I mean, to Randy's point,
that was exactly what I
thought it was going to be like.
I was like,
this is too simple for the droid.
Like, it makes sense.
But then I'm like, who's behind the droid?
And I still have that
question of where is the
droid getting orders from?
I mean,
he knew about Order of the
Sixty-Six as well.
So he was learning.
He knew stuff.
So that's where I question that.
This is just my
not-so-encyclopedic Star
Wars brain comes in.
Order of Sixty... So this is
during the Mandalorian time.
Order of Sixty-Six is history, right?
So...
they would have programmed.
It's just like,
it feels like this is an
old history textbook where it's just like,
we like that.
I had a Catholic school.
It was like,
we stopped at world war two or
we stopped at the Vietnam war.
And that's it.
Like,
I don't think it's Skynet to the
comment there.
Cause I don't think it learned anything.
I think it was just like,
here's my knowledge base, which is my,
you know,
it's just like the encyclopedic
knowledge it had up to this date.
they never stopped receiving
updates it never talked
about it never talked about
the the empire it never
talked about the you know
the any of anything that
happened it was like order
sixty six okay that's
history that's like someone
saying you know you're
talking to someone and
they're saying like well I
know what the you know you
program a robot and they're
like well we know what the
vietnam war is great that happened like
A long-ass time ago.
That happened over fifty-plus years ago.
Great.
That's history.
It's not today.
It kind of reminded me of WALL-E.
that's killing me yes it was
thank you I was thinking
the same thing I was like
there's a movie and I'm
like wally and and about
the ship that's following
the you know that's
following orders and not
letting anybody go back
home and it's been doing it
I mean that's exactly what
the supervisor reminded me
of of course I always have
the question of who set it
up to begin with I'm always
going to wonder that
question I was like is it
high republic time like
there was there's me just
going off well I mean we
had the high republic
references like even
Great work is a High Republic reference.
It makes you wonder how it
kept running and why nobody
questioned it and when
people phased out of it.
It left a lot of interesting questions.
They did say that we haven't
been seen by a diplomat in years.
But they didn't say how many
years it had been.
They just said it had been years.
so it's just interesting to
see how people kept up like
to to everyone's point here
how people kept up with the
charade like it's true yeah
they just they went to work
they they did their job
they made gold coins for
the republic and that's all
they knew that's what they
were put there for and they
were cut off and nothing
and they were cut off from
society they're cut off
from the stars like that
whole thing we're saying we
have never seen stars before like
That's like the whole your
head's in the clouds theory.
Because they can look to the
stars and wonder,
I wonder what's out there.
I want to go explore what's out there.
You've cut them off from
ever wanting to leave.
These people have been held
hostage for generations and enslaved,
essentially, to run this system.
Yeah,
I love the idea that I think it's
just like a bureaucratic failing, right?
Like you mentioned, like WALL-E,
like everything's on autopilot.
You know, I talked about Lost earlier.
One meaningless Lost mystery
that I'll spoil for you is
there's a pallet drop of
food from the Dharma Initiative.
And you eventually find out
that it's just like no one
ever turned off the automated shipments.
There are like two guys in a
warehouse somewhere still
getting like an automated paycheck.
And they don't even know that the...
the company's gone.
I think that's kind of the vibe.
So someone's getting them or
maybe someone like the
emperor or someone has that
knowledge in their back pocket.
I don't think the emperor
even had knowledge of that money.
If he would have known he had that money,
you best believe he would
have used it to make another Death Star.
They do love making those.
With one point.
One damn point.
One fatal flaw.
Speaking of,
we're getting into season two really soon,
so that's something.
I'm excited.
Oh, I thought you said season two of this.
I'm like, that's happening?
No.
Yes, and or.
Yes, season two.
It's going to be great.
I'm here for it.
Speaking of series like this,
how would you feel about
getting more one-off series like this one,
where it's kind of its own
little standalone thing,
where you don't need the
tie-ins to other Star Wars lore?
Randy, we'll go with you.
We're picking on you.
You're the new guy.
I'm going to say yes,
provided that they can
continue to create some
creative space for the
people attached to the project.
So all those practical
effects that we were
talking about earlier,
like the clear heart that
went into casting this series,
they did some special things.
My critiques are pretty
minuscule in a show that I
really enjoyed.
and really loved.
But yeah,
I think we kind of canceled it earlier.
Like, I think this can exist as a one-off,
but at the same time,
like give these shows some
time to breathe,
give these shows some time to develop.
Yeah.
Not,
not everyone's going to catch the show
right away.
Like game of Thrones took
several years before it
became what it became.
And I feel like forget that.
So.
Deal.
yeah I mean so it's it's a
it's a tale of two cities
right uh the one city being
our imaginations being like
yes obviously like let's
let's have let's get
creatives to come in and do
their own thing we have
tony gilroy like famed
writer director who did
michael clayton who's done
serious stuff comes in and
does a prequel series that's like
you know, wartime drama, espionage,
character studies, spy thriller,
all these things that don't
fit into the magical fantasy of Star Wars,
but also does, right?
I would love to see, like,
there's no reason there
couldn't be an Ewok show.
There's no reason there can't be more,
like I said,
there can't be another
animated series in the vein of
clone wars or rebels like a
prestige show like we've
seen with marvel has done
that with x-men they're
they're doing three seasons
of your friendly
neighborhood spider-man
like I said the ewok show
that could be an animated
series there could be an
animated series about this
that's coming I know there
was an animated series about the ewoks
Oh, exactly.
My friend has a cell from
that in his apartment.
But I mean,
there's no reason why you can't
do that now and reintroduce
these characters.
But you have to make I think
I said this on social distance.
You have to make Star Wars cool again.
You have to make it more
acceptable because it is so
that the fan base is not us,
but like the fan base is so
hyper focused on everything
has to tie together.
Everything has to be more.
Everything has to be perfect
that it's never perfect.
Right.
And there's just so much
angst and bullshit that happens here.
Mm hmm.
And so the other city I was
talking about is the
corporate side of things.
They're like, can we justify keep,
you know,
being this creative or do we
have to go for the hits?
Disney did it this year.
They made Pixar cool again.
How do they do that or profitable again?
Because, you know, well,
you also had like four
years of like their big
releases being released for free,
but they did a sequel with
Inside Out too.
Marvel was struggling.
Deadpool Wolverine these are
all things that existed so
you're tacking things on
Star Wars I don't know what
we have with that right now
it's like okay we bring Rey
back well gosh we saw how
much heat that got for no
goddamn reason like oh
let's bring Finn back yeah
okay like there's you keep
seeing these things bounce
around it's just like I
would love because they
want to capitalize on
something right that isn't
Skywalker or Jason but they
always go back to it
They had it with Mando,
and I think that third
season and Boba Fett really did it dirty.
Maybe the movie rekindles that interest.
Ahsoka was great, obviously,
but something's got to
change within the dynamic
of Star Wars because I
think there's so many
people that have
generations of storytellers out there.
that can do great Star Wars stuff.
Bryce Dallas Howard should
have her own Star Wars.
She should.
Not episodes.
Unless she doesn't want to.
Give her a movie or give her
a whole show to run because
she's pretty great.
Let's do that.
I think there's so much that
can be done that I just
think we need to mine it
for more and figure out what to do.
This Patty Jenkins Rogue
Squadron thing could be awesome.
Why not?
It's got potential.
Bill,
you know how I can't help but quote
Kurt Vonnegut all the time?
Yeah.
In one of his rules for creative writing,
he says you have to write
to please just one person.
If you open a window and try
to make love to the world,
you're going to get pneumonia.
Yeah.
And I feel like they want to
keep their minds.
I don't know.
I've tried it, man.
I've been pretty okay.
I've been pretty good.
I think a Targaryen or two
has tried that as well.
Oh, yeah.
No,
but like Mando season three is such a
good example because I am
one of these Star Wars fans
who's coming in like mostly
with knowledge of the films.
I've been catching up slowly
on like Clone Wars and stuff.
but it's like they're like
okay we're but it's like
they're like okay we're but
it's like they're like okay
we're gonna double and
triple down on gonna double
and triple down on gonna
double and triple down on
mandalorian lore
mandalorian lore okay but
if you're gonna do that do
it okay but if you're gonna
do that do it okay but if
you're gonna do that do it because
I love Katie Zakoff,
but they made Bo-Katan a
boring character.
And then I'm listening to
podcasts and they're like, oh,
she has a history as
basically being a terrorist
and all this complicated thematic stuff.
And I'm like, that's cool.
Bring me into that.
Let me see it.
But they're like, oh,
we're going to do the lore,
but let's not do the lore
because some people might
not know what it is.
And it's like, dude...
Pick a lane.
Do the lore-free Mando thing
that was working, or do the lore right.
People will come if you do it right.
There's some great stuff in there.
You did see some of the Boca
Catan stuff in Rebels.
But for those who haven't watched it,
they could have served with a flashback.
They did it for Ahsoka.
You had that Clone Wars flashback.
Why not do something like
that with Bo-Katan?
That was the problem with Star Wars.
They always get cold feet
because they never know
when to commit to the bit.
Love Force Awakens, right?
Yay, Force Awakens.
I love The Last Jedi.
Not everyone does.
I thought it was a super interesting take.
then rise of skywalker came
and they're like uh let's
do what you can't be half
pregnant right so it's just
like amanda you can verify
um this is true actually
most of us can we all have
kids and just like you
can't be half pregnant and
it's just like so that's
what they always did
they're like well let's put
one toe in and one toe out
we can't really do it they
never did it and then they
got cold feet on everything
and it really just instead
of being audacious like
mando season two I think
bringing luke skywalker back yes
I mean, how many of us were all like, well,
it was also the pandemic and lockdown,
so we were all going nuts anyway.
But they did it well, though.
They did it well.
And then they brought in Boba Fett,
like a badass.
They brought in Ahsoka.
Yeah.
I still think about Ahsoka Mando episode.
Some of the shots from that
is just incredible.
Phenomenal.
The school being built.
Amazing.
They went for it.
Like, Randy, you were saying.
They tried to make everyone happy,
and they made nobody happy.
And now you're like, well, what do you do?
So be audacious.
Yeah, don't worry about Disney,
because you've got
thousands of former
Suncoast employees podcasting about it.
They'll fill in the blanks for you.
Exactly.
That's what people like me
and Amanda are full of.
They didn't hire me, by the way.
I mean...
Like, I'm, I just, I feel like, you know,
the fan base right now is so antagonistic,
like, you know, again, to Bill's point,
like such a kind of
antagonism that's out there
for live action Star Wars.
I will say this a hundred
times over that Star Wars
has the best and worst fan
base out there.
We can't have nice things.
Some of it is valid
criticism though because again,
to Randy's point, it's very cyclical.
They are not afraid to hit.
They hit and they hit well.
when they are just they're
wishy-washy again the I
think ever since you know
that the last trilogy of
films there's just been
this one foot in one foot
out one foot in one foot
out and it's telling you in
another year that last
trilogy is gonna be like oh
it's the greatest thing
ever I don't know about uh
I'm you know I I I liked
the first two movies they
did it to the to
the first uh trilogy but
that was a large part
because of dave filoni
fixing it with the clone
wars I think once the clone
wars came out and you had
people watch it and it went
back and it made it filled
in the gaps between you
know it made anakin seem
less emo um and just and
actually have purpose less
less he was less emo in the
series he wasn't in the
black parade on this one
yeah yeah that's true
Yeah, definitely not.
Kylo picked it up for him, though.
There you go.
But you got so many great backstories.
And again,
you got characters like Ahsoka
that were fully fleshed out,
beautifully written.
You had characters like
Asajj Ventress come to life.
You had so many different
stories that came in this
era that really made you go
back and look at the
prequels in a different way.
I just think George wanted
to kill Ahsoka off.
I know.
Thank God.
Thank God that didn't happen.
But you could have something
like that that may fix some
of what's going on.
But really,
I think it's ultimately about
going back to the... A lot
of people say go back to
the book content.
And I'm here for that.
Thank you.
Yeah, because the books are fantastic.
The books have done this already.
And I've said this before.
The books have already built
the world that's out there.
There's all these stories
that take place in the Star
Wars universe.
And so many of them,
like right now with the
High Republic books, they're great.
They're not connected to the Skywalkers.
And you can still have, like, again,
look at...
They're about a thousand years,
between two thousand and a
thousand years before.
Look at Dawn of the Jedi.
Look at those stories that are out there.
And, you know, I would say continue to get,
if you're going to get away,
because I'm a little
nervous now about the other
movie that we don't know,
that was announced,
but we haven't heard much
about with the... I believe so, yes.
I'm hoping...
I'm hoping that Ryan
Gosling's the only news so far,
but that was really it.
He's still only rumored.
Rumored, exactly.
Not even totally confirmed,
but you have content to work with.
You have, again, the book lore.
I know Disney's kind of
stickler about what are we
going to make canon, what's not canon,
but there's so much great content there.
The books will always be canon.
I don't care what Disney says.
Yeah, but that's the thing.
They're starting to pull some of that.
The Acolyte, I think,
pulled a lot of those ideas,
and that's what I enjoyed
about the Acolyte,
and we've all talked about it.
Some of what made the
Acolyte work was the
content they pulled from
this existing lore and the
speculation about who was
the Sith going to be that
was going to show up.
Are they going to bring in somebody?
People who've read the books
are really curious about that,
and you can bring them in
if you pull in those
elements and make them
work um so I think it's
again revisiting and
looking at some of the book
content like look at thrawn
you know like and how epic
of a trilogy if you don't
own his trilogy go go get it yeah
And I mean, so I'm here.
I'm in favor of looking at
the books for ideas.
I have a question for Amanda real quick.
X-Men ninety seven.
Great.
So we they continue.
They continue.
That's the continuation of
the original X-Men animated series.
Such like.
Do you think they could do that with, like,
Clone Wars or Rebels or
something like that,
where they could take
characters from a beloved
animated series and
continue it with some of
the vocal cast that's already there?
Obviously, like...
Do you think that could work?
Realistically,
Rebels is your best shot and
they've already done it
because if you're trying to
work in the Mando universe in time frame,
you already are starting to
pull characters like Zeb.
Again, you've pulled Ahsoka.
You've pulled Hera.
Sabine,
you're pulling them into the live action.
And Chopper, of course,
the greatest droid that ever lived.
I love it.
I'm here for it.
um but I think you can but
if you're going to continue
any of the animated series
like clone wars has a
definitive yeah rebels in
essence was the
continuation and in the in
the time frame of the clone
wars so I mean that's like
considered a sequel series
if you will but if you're going to
if you're going to carry
over any of the characters,
it would most certainly be
those from Rebels.
So you can,
I think if you're going to go
the animated route,
you can do it incorporating
Rebels characters.
It's just going to be, and I mean,
some of them did carry over.
I mean, Hera,
you could even carry Hera and
Kanan's son over.
They started doing that with
Rise of Skywalker.
Because their ship, the ghost,
is in the fight.
So you can technically even
carry a series where it's Jace.
You're following Jace.
Jace is Sindala.
Or Jace Sindala.
And that could work in an animated format.
So that's a way to bring
over the characters.
But again,
as long as Dave is allowed to
write and do what he needs
to do and is able to focus on writing.
Because that's what made the
content of the animated series,
both of them, so good.
was the writing and the
stories and the time to let
those things flush out.
He, if he has too much on his plate,
you can write, you know,
and some people have talked
about with some of the,
the shorts that have come
out with tales of the Jedi
tales of the empire,
there's been hit or miss
hits or miss with some of those.
Like they're not as
consistently good as those
in the animated again,
clone wars and rebels.
If you don't have Dave,
Dave Filoni doesn't have
the space to write and
then you have to be careful
with that too because you
don't want to start digging
the animated series and
start having that take a turn.
Tells of the Empire is a
good example of that.
Yeah.
I knew that's what you were talking about.
I just have to say,
ever since you brought up my guy Chopper,
all I could think about was
he would have such a good
time hanging with GI Robot.
Yes.
They would just be murdering
bitches left and right.
And then throw Smee in there.
Can we have... I'm telling you,
let's do a droids episode.
Let's get everyone in there.
And let's just go.
There is a comic book out
there called Dark Droids.
Yes, there is.
but nominal series the
ending of that series top
notch he does in this
actually but he was
possessed by I'll put it
like this in darth vader's
head isn't just anakin skywalker
I will leave it at that.
That's Natalie Portman.
She's in all our heads.
Son of a bitch.
It's like Black Swan incepted C-IIIPO.
Fuck.
Who's ready to see her in
Ahsoka Season Two flashback, y'all?
Because that's the conversation.
Let's fucking go.
I'm ready.
Bring it.
I'll see her in Avengers Doomsday.
Let's go.
I'm ready for it.
I will take Natalie Portman
in anything they'll give it to us in.
Let's wrap it up, guys.
Did this finale deliver?
We'll leave it at that.
Did it deliver?
Or would you want more
substance out of it?
I'm going to say it worked
perfectly fine for me.
I thought it was a good payoff.
We get the, you know,
our boy Jude sails off into the sunset.
He didn't get captured.
So he lives to ride another day.
The kids have their adventure.
Wim ultimately has the
adventure he's always
wanted with his dad.
That's what he wanted.
He wanted his dad to pay attention to him,
to be his dad.
To be involved in his life.
That was a big thing.
I think that message was delivered.
And they all became actual
friends instead of just a
bunch of kids thrown together.
And I think that's what they all needed.
And I think it paid off beautifully.
It's just like, it's a nice, simple,
happy ending.
And like, I'm good with that.
Amanda.
I delivered for me too.
I think it closed the
chapter on this story effectively,
you know, like,
but yet still left breathing room for the,
you know,
I think whim is probably the
most likely of the children,
although I would love to
see Neil in a future project,
but I think web is the most likely to,
to show up, um, and,
and a future star Wars
project in like a rogue
squadrons perhaps.
Yeah.
Could be, could be.
Oh, come on.
You've got to have Neil in that, too,
just to be his nervous goose.
I know.
Hopefully better faith than goose.
Hopefully.
I was thinking more like his
camp friend from Ferris Bueller.
Oh, no.
Yeah, I like it.
I like it.
That would be so great.
I like that they left the
ending for Jude Law open to return.
I think he's the most likely
of the characters to show
up in a future Star Wars project.
I would love to see him show
up in somebody like Hondo
and Naka's crew would be great.
So we didn't mention this,
but Hondo and Naka's
ship was at the space it was
what was it episode one yes
hondo was there we just
didn't see hondo it was
either yeah one or two so I
thought that was a cool one
I will always pop for hondo
I don't care bring me hondo
bring me hondo randy what you think
Well, as we know,
the execs over at Disney
are always tuned into my
podcast drops because they
know that I've got my
finger on the pulse of the
industry and whatnot.
And listen, Disney, I love this show.
Give me more of it.
That being said,
I didn't think the finale
fully worked for me.
Yeah.
I don't have horrible things
to say about it.
But the main reason it
didn't fully work for me is
I loved this show,
but I think the sweet spot
of it was episodes five and
six where we were the gooniest,
where the kids were on their own,
surviving on their own the most.
And I was a little bit
bummed out that we took two
episodes mostly to just like...
get the parents back involved,
like solve this big mystery of that.
And I would have preferred
to see them out there adventuring,
like just kind of
continuing to become
pirates or at the very
least solve it on their own.
Stay a little bit more in
this sort of like fantasy
ask environment a little bit more.
That's giving me, you know,
like when that big crab
creature comes out,
I'm getting shades of like
the never ending story and
all these stories where kids have to like
indoor completely on their
own and it lost like a
little bit of that magic
for me in those closing two
episodes I think that's why
I've been throwing so much
shade on the parents is
that like you know like
like kb and neil really get
sidelined for the finale
like I love neil I love
that he accesses that that
turret and buys them some time but like
They do all that so that the
parents are back in and
we're losing the time with
that friendship.
So I wish it had gone a
little bit differently.
But I am also not one who's
going to trash on creatives
because I love what they
did with this show.
And it is not my show to make.
And I think they did a phenomenal job.
Very true.
I can't argue that.
I agree with the parents part.
The parents did kind of.
It's always the parents, man.
Parents ruin shit.
Just ask my daughter.
But that is it, guys.
I know the plan was to get a little, hey,
what are you watching in an anime?
But we've gone two hours.
I think we'll call it here.
So we'll do the traditions.
We'll start with Bill.
Bill,
tell the folks where they can find you.
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Our music section is ramping up, um,
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Got a whole bunch coming out.
We're going to be talking with a,
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I have got three interviews in three days.
First one is a surf rock
band out of Poland called
Igor Jeziak and the Surfers.
Yeah, they're one of one out there,
and they're actually really great.
That's part of our High Tide
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So it's really awesome.
Friday, sorry, Thursday,
we're going to be doing Surfing for Daisy,
which is they're doing a
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They're an independent band at Aspyr Park.
Really awesome.
Big things on the way for them.
Then it should be Friday.
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uh they have a new record
they are awesome so season
one right uh no they did
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second no no no I don't
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I know they did the original series.
That was so good.
They put a new album out.
If you're like, hey, country,
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final NFC East group
therapy session for the
twenty twenty four.
Twenty twenty three.
Twenty twenty.
I'm sorry.
The twenty twenty four NFL season for you,
for all of you.
Oh, fine.
I'm perfectly good.
Not our Eagles fan.
He's going to be doing well.
So we got that going up.
I'm also the Bill and the
Bill versus the MCU podcast.
On Friday,
we're dropping our Marvel TV recap.
I guess I don't know what
the hell it's called.
We talk about Echo and
Agatha along with myself and Alex Marcus.
And then finally, I am with TV Break,
which is our monthly TV podcast.
Find TV Break and Bill versus the MCU on
the pop break feed on all
your favorite streaming platforms,
social distance on all your
favorite streaming platforms as well.
And then Amanda and I are
joining the old chairman's buddy.
Kelvin will be on the BCP
plus live Thursday night,
Royal rumble predictions.
My favorite WWE PLE.
I said it's a pay-per-view,
but whatever it's PLE,
I guess is my favorite one.
They do every single year.
Doesn't matter how good or
bad the product is.
I am glued to that TV.
every single year and don't
forget uh amanda and I are
doing our first column
together too on the pop
break we're doing uh
dueling royal rumble
predictions you'll see that
friday we'll jump up to you
since you know yeah he's
giving you the flowers
bill bill got me writing so
yes he does that is my goal
for everyone so he's the
best so um I'm excited to
write and and uh write
first wrestling column I'm
excited I I'm I've already
started doing my homework
and I think I some of my
predictions I think will
not surprise bill and
everybody but some of them
are going to be like oh
we're going there all right
y'all doing the full thirty
man roster who you expect
to show up in the thirty
one we're gonna we're gonna try our best
yeah okay I think we're
gonna get surprises we have
our surprise lists and we
don't even know from each
other we're not gonna find
out we're doing it blind I
won't know and so we're
gonna have it done before
bcp on thursday and then I
will put it together and
we'll pretty much know what
we're saying about that but
yeah we do no idea who the
other person is picking
Yes.
And it's exciting.
So, so definitely excited to do that.
And of course, as Bill mentioned,
we'll be on the BCP plus
and it's going to be great.
Cause I always love talking
wrestling with the
wrestling peeps and it's going to be fun.
Of course, you know,
Bill talked about that.
I am the co-host of the
socially distanced and it's,
it's a blast.
It's just so much fun.
You guys, everybody,
everybody here has been on.
And so I'm looking forward
to having everybody back again.
So check us out.
Of course,
I am the co-host of the Anime
Pop podcast with my anime
brother and Bill and my mutual co-host,
Josh Arnecke.
We have a great time geeking
out on different anime that
are coming out every month
with a great group of guests and friends.
It's a great time.
Our current episode that's out right now
is on solo leveling season
two and Sakamoto Days.
And that is with our
wonderful friends over at
the Blurred Watchers,
Marshall and Courtney Stevenson.
And it was such a great conversation.
And of course, this coming month,
we'll be covering season
two of both My Happy
Marriage and The Apothecary Diaries.
So we're excited.
Get a little romance theme.
It's Valentine's.
It's the month of love.
It's appropriate.
So we're excited.
Sakamoto Days falls into that too.
Yeah.
it does it does because you
can't kill otherwise you'll
get a divorce and you get
kicked out of the family
because you've been adopted
this is true this is true
so it's a great anime there
are so many things that
happen in that one sentence
Yes.
You got to watch it.
It's really good.
I think I put it... Did I
add it to my list?
I might have added it to my list.
It's really good.
I'm finishing Shogun.
I'm actually doing my watch
of Shogun right now so I
can finally get to that.
By the Super Bowl.
I may do a rewatch of that one, actually.
Shogun is great.
It's great stuff.
But yeah, check us out every month.
We drop all of our anime randomness,
and we love it.
And so thank y'all for listening.
And of course,
you can follow me at
AmandaLorian on Instagram and threads,
at ResurShik, at BlueSky,
because I love nice shows forever.
And of course, we're touring.
New album drop.
I have a new tour.
I'm ready for a tour too.
It's going to happen.
We just got to pick our city.
We're just going to pick our city,
but we're going to, but we're going.
It's funny.
Every time I go to tag her on blue sky,
I'm like, Oh wait, back, back, back.
Resnores.
Randy over to you.
Where can the people find you at?
Listen, so first and foremost,
I would love for folks to
look up MediaLit, Media slash Lit,
wherever you get your podcasts.
We just completed our first
year of podcasting together,
my co-host Chris and I. On this show,
it's really a show about celebrating...
art and story and why it
means so much to us why it
makes us feel more human
feel more alive it's about
getting to know our guests
and sometimes it's about
playing pop culture themed
games uh which can be a
huge blast we love to do
all of those things uh if
you look up our pod you're
gonna see a huge variety of topics um
We will cover things like
Marvel and Batman movies
and nerd culture.
We will cover more recent
properties like Bill just
recently completed the
first in our Knives Out series.
We looked back at the first film.
We're going to be doing
Glass Onion at some point
in the not too distant future and
And of course,
we'll get together for Wake
Up Dead Man when that releases.
But we'll go anywhere.
I am currently in the midst
of editing a four-hour podcast,
a seven-person panel that
is a draft of Taylor Swift songs,
masterminded by the great Alex Marcus,
podcasting director of The Pop Break.
This is going to be...
Our kickoff event for season
two of Media Lit.
And the things that you
shared on this podcast were
incredible and personal.
It was so fascinating.
We got some really cool
guests from a podcast
called Space Swifties,
which is a Star Wars slash
Taylor Swift podcast.
So it was quite an event.
It was not supposed to be four hours, but.
but it was, it was an event.
So somehow I'm going to have
that up by Monday, February third,
and I hope people will check it out.
Um, but yeah, so we're on,
we're on blue sky.
We're on Twitter, uh,
Instagram media.lit.pod and
Instagram media dash lit at blue sky.
But, but basically find our episodes.
You can find our website.
We've got all of our
different segments and
things broken down there.
Uh, in addition to my work on media lit,
I am a huge contributing
member to the pop break.
Um,
in podcasting, uh, next week,
you're going to hear me
podcasting about Taylor Swift,
but right now you can hear
me podcasting about black
Sabbath on pod of doom with
Justin and Chris Mancini.
We just dropped our Sabbath
bloody Sabbath podcast, uh,
yesterday that just released.
I added it to the queue.
Thank you.
And, uh,
I'm also doing a lot of
television coverage over at
the Pop Break.
Bill was insane enough to
agree to let me cover
Severance week to week.
Sounds about right.
That's legit.
I delivered with nine pages
on the second episode of
season two of Severance.
That's about five thousand words.
Yeah, it's awakened my imagination.
Let's just say that much.
The inner teacher is
assigning himself term papers.
Five thousand words,
double spaced pinpoint font.
Yeah.
So, yeah, check us out.
And of course, check out my co-host,
Chris Ingersoll, also on the pop break,
co-host of Batman by the numbers,
an incredibly kind guy,
an incredibly smart guy and
an incredible set of pipes on that one.
What a voice.
Yeah.
So when he starts dropping his ass,
it's great.
It's my favorite thing in the world.
I, Jeff,
I just got to put over both
Amanda and Randy real quick.
Go for it.
Amanda, we're entering our fifth season,
our sixth season, I should say,
episode two fifty going to be this year.
Can't do couldn't have done
this without Amanda.
Amanda is one of the best to
do a podcast with.
There's like Randy said,
she's everyone's big sis.
So it's been great.
And Randy,
congratulations on one year immediately.
He's a hell of a dude.
And if you have a podcaster,
but if you have to read what he writes,
I know you're going to say
nine pages on goddamn severance.
what the fuck but read his
stuff it is so masterfully
written it's just like
that's some it's some a
plus level writing and jeff
I have to put you over my
friend thank you for having
us yes podcast thank you
for one always being a
constant supporter of us at
the pop break and randy at
media lid it means the
world to us that you always
share our content it means
the world that you can come on our show
talk to us be a part of uh
be a part of pop break and
for letting us come out and
be a part of your first
ever live stream although
not your first ever live
stream but we're glad to be
glad to be a part of it and
we're glad you have
definitely be I didn't
realize I was going to have to wait
Thank you so much, Jeff,
because I've loved becoming
a creator in this past year.
But what I've loved just as
much as that is the
community that comes with
podcasting and entertainment writing.
And you are such an active
and thoughtful and caring
member of that community.
So thank you so much for the support.
yes absolutely absolutely
it's always a blast thank
you I I appreciate the kind
words they they do mean a
lot and anytime I get
invited on to anybody's
podcast I I try to put
everything into it and when
bill invites me to write
something that to me means
the world that he he trusts
this illiterate alabamian
to uh to write for him and
I there's gonna be more I I
know I'm here I'm here for
it I love it um
So what's going on with me?
Last night,
I got the opportunity to read a
new Kickstarter out there
by Bruno Caterino from the UK.
Of course, a great British name,
Bruno Caterino.
I know, right?
And it was a really good comic book.
I was surprised.
I was not expecting what I got from it.
And when I literally say, like,
you will be surprised of
who is experiencing these
very human emotions in this book.
It got my seal of approval,
so it's up right now on thedfpn.com.
There's been two books that
I put my seal of approval
on over on Kickstarter I
was invited to read,
and both of them were phenomenal.
That's why they're both
hanging right now on
thedfpn.com under Comics.
And if you have a
Kickstarter out there that
you would like me to read
and possibly put my
syllable of approval on, hit me up.
I'm not hard to find.
It's TheChairman at USDNPodcast.com.
That's my plug for that.
Shameless.
I'd love to read your comic
books and tell you what I
think about them.
But you can find me across
all social media platforms
at USDN Podcast.
So for Blue Sky,
you can find me at the USDN
Chairman over there on Blue Sky.
And it's a little bit more personable.
I do share a lot more of the
comic book stuff over there
and do a lot more with
comic book interactions
with the writers and that kind of stuff.
So what's coming up for me
tomorrow is New Comic Book Day,
so you can expect that
episode sometime tomorrow.
I love to say I was going to
shoot it today,
but I don't get my comic
books until tomorrow.
So I'll shoot that tomorrow
after work sometime.
Some point next week,
I'll be sitting down with Bruno Caterino.
from the UK.
We're just trying to figure
out a good day and time to
sit down and he's going to
come on and tell us about
his new comic book called
Bereavement that is live
right now on Kickstarter.
So I'm really excited to sit
down with him and
and talk to him about his
new book and hopefully get
some eyes on it and maybe
some support for him in his
new comic book because it
really was good.
Yeah, it was good.
The art was phenomenal.
If you're a fan of the newer
style art that's out right now,
it almost looks AI,
but you can tell there's a
human behind the pencil doing it,
then you'll enjoy the art in it as well.
That's it for me.
Randy.
Since you are the new guy,
I want to take the time now
to welcome you.
You are official.
You have gained the seal of
approval from the chairman.
You are officially a council member.
It comes with tons of responsibility.
It's mainly just like, hey, dude,
you want to do a show on this?
Randomly throughout the
month is what you get out of that.
There's no real perks,
just random invites to
podcast and that kind of stuff.
So welcome to the team, Randy.
We appreciate you coming on tonight.
Amanda, as always, I appreciate you.
Anytime I'm talking Star Wars,
you don't even need the invite.
Just show up at the door.
So I'm so honored to, to be on the board.
Thank you so much for having me.
Can't wait to get you on
media lit and make you an official.
We're going to find, it'll be awesome.
We're going to get us a
topic together and we're
going to rock one hell of a fucking show.
I am not kidding you.
but for me that is it I want
to thank everybody who
tuned in tonight I've seen
we had about five viewers
at one point I do
appreciate each and every
one of you who are sticking
around I still see I have
one person watching so I
appreciate that one person
for sticking around and
watching and supporting the
podcast I know we got off
topic a few times but
that's the fun of this
right but on behalf of
myself my council of nerds
and my newest council of nerd member
Thank you all for tuning in.
And on behalf of myself and
this fine council sitting in front of me,
this show is USDN approved.
It's supposed to play my outro.
Why ain't it playing my outro?