WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:14.039 practical ways. Well, hey, everybody, my name is Chris and 4 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.879 behind me eating already is Jeff, and we are the 5 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:23.480 Bible Guys. Yeah, you just want to show appreciation, show 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:23.839 it love. 7 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:26.440 All over the country people come up to me and go, oh, hey, 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.640 I know you like hunting. Hey have one of these 9 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:31.440 venison sticks. Yeah. I'm like, have you ever been to 10 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:33.039 a country smokehouse? 11 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:34.719 Yeah? And that's the standard. 12 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.439 Uh, it is that they set the bar that high. 13 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.119 So well, hey, listen for our listeners online because we're 14 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.600 going to be posting this online. In fact, this is 15 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.119 the first live event that we've ever done that is 16 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.159 actually going to be posted online as an episode. So 17 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.119 it's gonna be a little bit longer today. So if 18 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.520 you've tuned in today for the Bible Guys normally are, 19 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:55.359 you know it's about twenty five minutes. It's going to 20 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:57.399 be longer than that, So hopefully you'll hang in there 21 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:57.920 with us. 22 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.119 For people because they can barely make it the twin. 23 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.680 I know, I know, but I want the people on 24 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.239 Spreaker and you know, Apple music, and all those guys 25 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.400 that are just listening, I want them to realize that 26 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.040 there's a crowd in front of us. So let them 27 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:13.560 hear you. 28 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:15.079 Everybody cheer there. 29 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:17.599 That's kind of fun. 30 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:19.519 See, that's how it's supposed to be. Right there. 31 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.640 That's right there. And by the way, we'vet because we 32 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.760 record in the studio, we have never been able to 33 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.640 actually do a podcast in front of people like this. 34 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.799 We've had events, but no, we've done a Bible Guys live, 35 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:35.239 but we've never done it correct recording. Yeah, that's right, 36 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:39.159 big time, big time now we are big time. Yes, 37 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:40.959 So we're going to get a bus and just hit 38 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:41.319 the road. 39 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.280 This is not true. None of that is true. Okay, 40 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:47.319 So we're gonna do several things. We have several things 41 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.560 to accomplish, right, okay, okay, So here's the first one. 42 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:51.439 The first one is we have we want to do 43 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.359 a little audience participation because I got so well, we 44 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:57.319 both got so excited that we actually can interact with people. 45 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.400 So we're gonna do a segment that Desiree put together, uh, 46 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:02.879 that we normally do for a podcast. And by the way, 47 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.079 let let's pause and say this, how many of you actually, 48 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.879 oh well, sorry about that. How many of you actually, 49 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.240 because you know some of you may be guests, are 50 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.960 coming with spouses or whatever. But raise your hand if 51 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.479 you actually listen to the Bible, guys, raise your hand. Okay, 52 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:20.520 that's almost everybody in the room. Wow, there's probably what 53 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.520 jeff about eighty million, eighty people in the room. 54 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:28.919 Okay, there're hundreds of thousands, yes, which which means about cady. 55 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:30.800 Ninety people. 56 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:31.080 Yeah. 57 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.000 So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do would 58 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.120 you rather only? We're gonna do it crowd interaction. So 59 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.319 here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna literally call out 60 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.599 somebody in the audience to participate. So raise your hand. 61 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:43.360 If you feel like answering a simple question, raise your 62 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.280 hand real quick, raise your hant real quick. Okay, right there, Casey, 63 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:47.960 go ahead and stand right up. Stand up. You gotta 64 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:48.800 stand up for everybody. 65 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:49.159 Okay. 66 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.360 Okay, So here's what's gonna happen. Here's what's gonna happen. 67 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.000 I'm gonna give everybody instruction. We're all gonna participate. I'm 68 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:56.280 gonna ask Casey questions. She's gonna pick one or the 69 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:59.159 other and then We're gonna ask the audience whether they agree, 70 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.639 so you're gonna have to either do thumbs up or 71 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.400 thumbs down. And when you do thumbs up, you screamed yay, 72 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.159 and you know, very delightfully. And then if you say nay, 73 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:11.080 you gotta go nay. So you gotta go yay or nay. Okay, 74 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:15.199 let's practice that, ready, Yeah, Yeah, everybody. 75 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:15.960 Say yay, yay. 76 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.319 Everydy say nay, say yay, nay. 77 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.520 Okay, this is one of your favorite segments. That's all 78 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:23.960 I want to. 79 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.199 Oh yeah, yeah, of course love I do because it's fun. 80 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:29.960 So here here it is, case you tell them is yeah? 81 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:30.479 Would you rather? 82 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.280 Would you rather case attention? I was getting brownie. 83 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.280 I know you were. We all know you were. 84 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:36.120 All right. 85 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.479 Here we go, casey. Would you rather have a photograph, 86 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:44.919 photographic memory or perfect pitch? You gotta choose one. Gotta 87 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:50.080 make you quick, perfect pitch. How many agree? Yeay or nay? 88 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:50.599 I don't. 89 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:51.639 I disagree. 90 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.840 I'd rather have a photo photographic memory. Okay, it sounds 91 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:58.000 like most of the room disagree with you. You get 92 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:02.280 no prize, iward you no point whatsoever, no points, but 93 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.159 you would have gotten no points anyway. Okay, all right, 94 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.319 So all you gotta do is pick one who wants 95 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.639 to go next? Oh, Liz, my wife, Honey, hey baby, 96 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.319 go ahead and stand up, honey, in front of everybody. 97 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.680 Here we go, all right. Would you rather would you 98 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.720 rather run in to and no, you know I'm gonna 99 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.040 change it. I'm gonna change it. Would you rather team 100 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:27.000 up with Spider Man or iron Man? Which one? Lizzie 101 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:29.680 iron Man? Can you tell me why? I just out 102 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:34.240 of curiosity? You love it loves okay, she loves she 103 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.399 loves iron Man. Okay, everybody your nag. 104 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:38.199 At the same time, it also happens to have a 105 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:38.639 go toe. 106 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.759 Oh really, I'm a Spider Man guy. I'm sort of 107 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:47.120 hurting a little bit. Oh okay, okay, that's a Liz love. Okay. 108 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:48.120 I want to do one more? 109 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.560 Yes, I want to do one more. Want me do one? Yeah, 110 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.959 I'll do one. Okay, somebody, somebody will do it. Give 111 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.560 me an answer, right there. You you canna do it? 112 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:00.240 Come on, someoney, al right, he's gonna to do it. 113 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.199 She'll do it, She'll do it. There, go ahead, set up, 114 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.800 here we go. Would you rather run into an alien 115 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:13.879 or Bigfoot? Okay? Okay, your day, everybody Bigfoot. 116 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.480 I think I would rather run into Bigfoot Bigfoot because 117 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:19.040 an alien you don't know what's going. 118 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.000 On, Bigfoot will tear your arms off you. 119 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.360 Yeah, not if you run faster than him. I don't know. 120 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:24.480 That's crazy. 121 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:27.560 Did you guys ever hear of Jeff's theory that Bigfoot 122 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:29.800 must exist in a constant state of blurriness? 123 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:32.639 Yeah, all all the pictures of Bigfoot are blurry, and 124 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.560 it's because Bigfoot's blurry, right, He's just blurry? 125 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:37.480 All right? Well, hey, that was a fun opener. 126 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.360 That was a great one. 127 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.399 And now what we're gonna do is we're gonna sort 128 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.079 of do sort of two openers. Right. Isn't that crazy? 129 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.279 Yeah? Well it makes it makes the we're giving them 130 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:47.800 extra money. 131 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:49.879 It is a podcast of firsts. 132 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:52.480 Podcast the first Big Time, Big Time, Big Time Big Fan. 133 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:58.120 What happened was Tom and Kyle and others have questions 134 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.279 that were sent in from the people of in the city, 135 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.720 and people have questions. So this is almost like a 136 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.639 stump the pastor right, yes, okay, so are we. 137 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:08.399 Going to can we start start at the bottom and 138 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:08.800 go up? 139 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:09.800 Yeah, let's do that. 140 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:11.920 I think the top one is crazy. 141 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.160 It's crazy good. Okay, let's let's start at the bottom. 142 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:15.040 I'll read, I'll read the bottom. 143 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:15.560 Okay. 144 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.360 This is from Austin Blount. 145 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:19.600 Austin congratul license. 146 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.720 Okay. And so Austin says, where did Jesus go for 147 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.879 the three days that he was dead before rising from 148 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.639 the dead? So he was in the tomb from Friday 149 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.360 to Sunday? Yeah, So did where did he go? 150 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:36.279 Jeff, I don't know. 151 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.360 Well, that is the answer to most as well. I 152 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.600 mean that's the reason why it's a stump the pastor question, right. 153 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.199 Yeah, So I think you're asking it because the Apostles 154 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:53.040 Creed said he went into Hell, right, So that's not 155 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.360 in the Bible per se, but it is in the 156 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:59.839 Apostles Creed. And the idea was that Jesus would go 157 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.160 there and then take the captives and set them free. 158 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.959 And that's based on first Peter talks about that, Yeah, 159 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.879 talks about the idea that Jesus went to I think 160 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:14.120 I have the verse. Let me let me see if 161 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.439 I pulled it up just so that we didn't do 162 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:17.560 this specifically. 163 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:22.120 Where is it, Yeah, where he says, yeah, we actually 164 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:23.120 uh set the cap. 165 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.639 Yeah, So the Apostles Creed says he descended into hell, 166 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.519 and on the third day he rose again. In First 167 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.480 Peter chapter three, it says he was put to death 168 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.560 in the body, but made alive in the spirit, and 169 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.560 after being made alive, he went and made proclamation to 170 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.120 the imprisoned spirits. Some translations say that he went and 171 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.040 proclaimed his victory to the imprison spirits. So the question 172 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.399 would be who are the who are they? And where 173 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:45.759 was that? 174 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:46.600 Where was it right? 175 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.240 So in the Apostles Creed they assumed that was in hell. 176 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.560 Some people think that those imprison spirits are the fallen angels, 177 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.920 and that he, Jesus, just went and said I won, right, 178 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.800 So that's part of it. Other people think that maybe 179 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.920 it was the people that were in Remember when Jesus 180 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:05.720 tells the story of the rich Man, he dies and 181 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:10.160 Lazarus dies, and there's the Abraham's bosom. It was this 182 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.839 place paradise where the believers in God were kept. And 183 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.160 then Jesus had said, while he was still alive, I'm 184 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.959 going to go prepare a place for you, right, and 185 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.759 then you're going to go be with me. And so 186 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.759 some theologians believe that Jesus went and took the people 187 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.439 out of Abraham's bosom or out of Paradise and took 188 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.439 them to that, you know, in my father's house or 189 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:30.279 many mansions places. 190 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.320 And let's not forget that Jesus also said to Mary, 191 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.639 don't touch me, because I have not yet ascended to 192 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:36.080 my father. 193 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.039 Right, So he didn't go to heaven, So he didn't 194 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:38.480 go to heaven. 195 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.240 So we know that is true, right, And we know 196 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.720 that he was dead, so he died because you know, 197 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:47.000 he breathed his last at three o'clock in the afternoon, 198 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.639 so we definitely know that he wasn't in heaven. So yeah, 199 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.799 the ultimate answer is we don't know, but that will 200 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.240 be a great question based on these theories when we 201 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:56.799 get to heaven. 202 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:00.360 I think he probably took the people from Paradise to 203 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.960 you know that in my father's house many mansions Ephesians. 204 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.679 Paul talks about it that Jesus took captivity captive, and 205 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.399 that seems to be in the time that he was 206 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.159 in the grave. That seems to be it. So there's 207 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.600 a misunderstanding. To finalize that, there's a misunderstanding with the 208 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.759 Apostles Creed where it says Jesus descended into hell. We're 209 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.039 thinking of hell like Dante's Inferno kind of hell, right, 210 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:30.159 that's what we're thinking. But the word hell is that shield, 211 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.559 which just means the place of the dead. Right, So 212 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.639 he descended into the place of the dead, and then 213 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.519 three days later he ascended, and so that that's the 214 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.519 Apostles Creed version. But because it has the word hell 215 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.960 in it, we kind of think of like flaming fire 216 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.080 kind of thing. But I don't believe that's what it was. 217 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.200 Yeah. Yeah, oh, I just figured out you were answering 218 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:50.039 him because he's right here. 219 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.440 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody else in the room 220 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.159 knew that too. Yeah, that's Austin Blount. Hey, Chris, that's Austin. 221 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.159 Austin I've met as Yeah. 222 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.039 I was at first thought you were talking to Tom 223 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.120 and then Liz and all that, but Austin's there as well. 224 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.679 Okay, he's like, what a jerk, He's ignoring everybody else, 225 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:06.519 just talking to this guy. 226 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:07.159 Yeah for real. 227 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.759 Okay, So we have a question number two. 228 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:10.519 You want to read it? 229 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.440 Yeah, it says give me clarity. This is from Alex Jones. Hi, 230 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.440 Alex Jones, Hey, Alex, Yeah, yeah, clarity on why John 231 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.360 the Baptist called out Herod Antipas for marrying his brother's 232 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.639 wife and the Gospels and for breaking God's law about marriage. 233 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.080 While Herod wasn't even a Jew. Why was John so 234 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:28.840 concerned about this issue? 235 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.639 Uh? Yeah, so I would say, uh, number one, he 236 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:36.039 was a prophet, and prophets preach against sin all the time. 237 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:36.559 Yeah. 238 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.039 And then number two, because Herod had actually made a 239 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.600 profession of faith. His his answer his parents. 240 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.080 Did, right, Yeah, I think it was his great grandfather 241 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:51.879 became the first tetrarch, you know, overseeing Israel, and so 242 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.679 they converted to Judaism then, and so he wouldn't have 243 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.919 been full blown Jewish, but had was following the Jewish religion. 244 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.519 And then his father is the one who built Herod's 245 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:06.240 temple and as a as a he commissioned it for 246 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.360 the Jewish people. And then they lived publicly, they lived 247 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:14.879 by the Jewish law. The Herods did publicly. Privately they 248 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:18.480 lived like a bunch of rascals, racals, Yeah yeah, yeah, 249 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.919 So so it was it was pretty sketchy the way 250 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.240 that they lived. And so he's also calling out the 251 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.440 fact that if you're claiming to be a Jew, you're 252 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.399 supposed to be living by the law, and that John 253 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.159 the Baptist had said, you're breaking the law, and he's 254 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.799 talking about the levitical law. You can't marry your brother's wife. 255 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.799 That's an incestuous, you know, relationship. And he had divorced 256 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.960 his own wife, and then went and goes and uh 257 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:46.879 seduces Herodotus which is Herodius I think, which was his 258 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.240 sister in law, and she left her. 259 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.519 And ultimately he lost his head because of it. 260 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:53.519 John the Baptist did yes, yes, yeah. 261 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.039 Yeah, which is terrible. 262 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.639 So he was holding him to the standard that he 263 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.960 was publicly claiming, but privately isn't living that way. That's 264 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:02.159 that's why John the Baptist did that. 265 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:03.480 Yeah, Okay. 266 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:07.159 And then finally, this one's so cool. Yeah, Logan, I 267 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:08.240 read it like four times. 268 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:08.679 Chillers. 269 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:09.480 Yeah. 270 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.440 Says this in Matthew chapter seventeen, verses one through thirteen. 271 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.840 Also in Luke nine twenty through thirty six, when Jesus 272 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.039 goes up to the mountain to speak with God, Moses 273 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.320 and Elijah are also there. Is it a possibility of 274 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.919 them being in their own times and being brought to 275 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.919 some sort of place without time on the mountain where 276 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.639 all three could be technically in their own time yet 277 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:37.360 be teleported to speak in one instant with everyone who 278 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.799 had been brought together by God. Question mark Also, would 279 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:46.759 this in a way have strengthened the processors Moses and 280 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.480 Elijah to be even more confident in what they were 281 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:55.120 building towards by leading and prophesying. So basically, what it's 282 00:12:55.120 --> 00:13:00.720 saying is this, It's saying, what if during the Transfiguration, 283 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.759 what if God was able to pull Moses out of 284 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.679 his time? So, like you know, back in Exodus, Moses 285 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.039 just sort of blipped out of his time and went 286 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.840 back to his time and he experienced the Transfiguration while 287 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.600 he was alive on Earth in that timeframe, right, So 288 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:19.600 it's a little bit of a movie kind of a thing, which, 289 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:20.519 of course I'm all about. 290 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:21.960 I knew you'd love this. You want to go to 291 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:22.559 lunch now. 292 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.919 With Yeah, yeah, yeah Logan, I'd be like, what are 293 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:29.600 the thoughts do you have? And then also with Elijah. 294 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.120 And by the way, this sounds hilarious, but I've had 295 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.120 this thought before, thought this exact thought, because if it 296 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:38.120 was during then. 297 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.080 Hey, if something ever happens to Chris Logan, are you 298 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.120 looking for a job, because I'm going to need another 299 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:42.639 Bible guy. 300 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:46.120 Hey, we never said they were you know whatever. But 301 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:51.480 if bottom line is is if that were true, then 302 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:56.080 that would be super compelling. Right for Moses then to 303 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.240 have seen Jesus live and then you know, existed and 304 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.639 and talk and saw everybody and then going back and 305 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.159 he'd be like, man, talk about believing God is real. 306 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.799 Right, So let's let's just catch everybody up. Just not 307 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.000 assuming everybody know stands the transfiguration. Jesus goes up on 308 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.159 the mountain and he brings Peter, James and John with him, 309 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.519 and it was during a very difficult time of ministry. 310 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:21.399 And he goes up to the top of the mountain 311 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:26.240 and Moses and Elijah meet him there. The Bible says, 312 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.759 they minister to Jesus, they're giving this strength. When Jesus 313 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.879 comes back down off the mountain, he glowed, right, There 314 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.960 was this glow about him because of this interaction with 315 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.399 Moses and Elijah, and it was a very deeply spiritual 316 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.320 moment for Jesus. It was kind of now from that 317 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.799 point on, Jesus is heading to Jerusalem to die. This 318 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:47.519 is now, It's going to take a few months, but 319 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:51.559 everything is going downhill from there, he's heading towards Jerusalem, 320 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.039 and Peter, James and John they wanted to build like 321 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.480 little little temples to all three, right, huts, Yeah, little huts, 322 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.840 and they didn't do it. So the question that Logan 323 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.759 is asking is is it possible that there was like 324 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:08.799 this bubble over top of the hill where Jesus and 325 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:13.240 Moses and Elijah were outside of time? Right, that this 326 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.759 was asking? And then there was no time for them, 327 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.600 and so Moses was just walking around in his regular 328 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.639 time and suddenly he's standing there talking to Jesus, and 329 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.440 Elijah's walking around his regular time, and he's standing there 330 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.679 talking to Jesus during Jesus time. 331 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.879 Here mind, which equals blown. 332 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.519 Yeah, which which is super cool, right, which means then 333 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:35.000 that you've got this intersection of multiple times and so 334 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.000 then you get multiple right, Yeah, it's like. 335 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.240 A flash when he was in that bubble. 336 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.879 Super cool. I would say this theologically, I think it's 337 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.919 fairly compelling for sure, right, because we know God is 338 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.480 outside of time, that's right. God is the author of time. 339 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.399 There is no time for God. A day is a 340 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.879 thousand years, a thousand years as a day to God, 341 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.840 So time is important to you and me. Time would 342 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:02.080 have important to Moses while he was alive and Elijah 343 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.000 while he was alive. And so the question was it 344 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.799 really is, do you think that Moses and Elijah had 345 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:12.559 already died and these were like resurrected bodies. 346 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.039 Showing up, which I always assumed, right. 347 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.960 Or were they alive God just transported them to the 348 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.919 mountain for a second and then sent them back. And 349 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.639 if so, how much more confident would they be about 350 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.720 their ministry knowing that they saw one Moses got to 351 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.320 be in the promised Land. He got to see the 352 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.080 promised one, Elijah being the prophet, right, and they summarized 353 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:34.879 the law and the prophets. That's why they did. It's 354 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.399 a cool idea. It's not in the Bible, but it's 355 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:38.480 not against the Bible. 356 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:40.519 Well, and it's just fun to think about. So the 357 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.120 ultimate answer is we don't know, Logan, thanks for asking. 358 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.200 Right, Yeah, that's really it. That's it, Okay. So I 359 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.679 typed it into AI. I asked AI, Oh really yeah, 360 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:54.279 because I was having a hard time tracking with the question. 361 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.600 My mind was blown like five times. Uh huh. So 362 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:03.080 it says this one, Logan, you'd be so proud it said, Logan, 363 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.519 that's a deep and thoughtful question, and you're tapping into 364 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:10.880 some rich theology and mystery around the transfiguration. That's it. 365 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.400 So even AI was what, Yeah, that's the only thing 366 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:16.759 I went on. No, So, first of all, is it 367 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:18.759 possible that Moses and Elijah were in their own times 368 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.680 God brought them into a timeless moment to meet with Jesus. 369 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.359 Short answer, Yes, it's a very plausible idea and even 370 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.599 quite beautiful. Then it goes on and impacts all these 371 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:28.880 so at least, and I. 372 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:30.640 Thought I thought you were saying. All I said was like. 373 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:33.880 It was very complimentary. You got the biggest brain on 374 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.400 the planet saying, good job. You're thinking really good logan. 375 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:37.200 Yeah. Right. 376 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:39.160 And then the other one was could this moment have 377 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.799 strengthened Moses and Elijah in their own missions? And it 378 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.720 said that's an incredible thought and very possible. And then 379 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:47.880 it went on and gave some really good stuff. I thought, 380 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.640 you know, speaking of and you can trust everything, and 381 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:54.400 the speaking of deep thoughts, you have some deep thoughts. 382 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.440 You know who else had deep thoughts? Oh, Micah? Micah? Yes, 383 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:01.240 Micah had deep thoughts? 384 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.480 Yes, yeah, Jack Candy and Micah. 385 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:05.400 Yeah. Yeah, So if you don't know, we're always trying 386 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:09.119 to find the worst possible transition from the silly stuff 387 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.119 into the now. 388 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.279 The reason why we're in Micah at y'all is because 389 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:14.759 in the podcast studio. 390 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:15.799 We're Bible guys. We're big fans. 391 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.160 Yeah, we're big fans. We are in that time frame 392 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.039 where it's Isaiah, it's Micah. Hezekiah's right there in that timeframe. 393 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.160 So we sort of said, hey, for the live Bible 394 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.359 guys event, we're gonna do Michael chapter six, versus one 395 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.920 through eight. Yes, so it's all you. 396 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.559 Yeah, So it says here we're just gonna read eight 397 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.480 verses in Michael Chapter six is listen to what the 398 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.559 Lord is saying. Stand up and state your case against me. 399 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.599 Let the mountains and hills be called the witness your complaints, 400 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.480 and now old mountains. Listen to the Lord's complaint. He 401 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.559