WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.764 --> 00:00:27.294 Anke: Hello and welcome, Kathy. 00:00:27.364 --> 00:00:28.774 I'm delighted to have you here. 00:00:29.824 --> 00:00:30.844 Kathy: I'm delighted to be here. 00:00:30.844 --> 00:00:31.794 Thank you so much. 00:00:31.794 --> 00:00:33.444 I'm, I'm looking forward to chatting with you. 00:00:34.074 --> 00:00:34.964 Anke: Me too, me too. 00:00:35.594 --> 00:00:38.164 And people will be looking forward to listening once they know 00:00:38.174 --> 00:00:39.164 what we're talking about today. 00:00:39.554 --> 00:00:42.974 So before we dive in there, let people know where you're based and 00:00:43.194 --> 00:00:44.264 so what's your business with dogs? 00:00:44.939 --> 00:00:45.759 Kathy: Sure, sure. 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:49.279 So I am in Alexandria, Virginia, which is right outside of Washington, D. 00:00:49.279 --> 00:00:55.449 C., and I am a dog trainer and a dog writer, dog author, and a foster. 00:00:55.449 --> 00:01:00.629 So we have fostered, our family started fostering 10 years ago, um, and we 00:01:00.629 --> 00:01:03.269 have now had, I think we're on 235. 00:01:03.369 --> 00:01:04.829 puppies through our house. 00:01:04.829 --> 00:01:08.669 So we take them in, we love them up, we get them ready, and we 00:01:08.669 --> 00:01:09.859 send them out into the world. 00:01:09.869 --> 00:01:16.139 And that is what has kind of deeply informed my outlook on what puppies 00:01:16.139 --> 00:01:22.189 really need, um, and how we can help new owners, um, transition more 00:01:22.199 --> 00:01:24.079 happily and joyfully into puppyhood. 00:01:24.689 --> 00:01:28.729 Because, um, often that ends up being a pretty shocking transition, much 00:01:28.729 --> 00:01:31.649 harder than people expect, and it really doesn't have to feel that way, so. 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.129 The, the new book is, um, Welcoming Your Puppy from Planet Dog. 00:01:36.139 --> 00:01:39.769 And the idea is that I really want to help people understand where this 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:42.779 puppy's coming from and how they can meet him right there so that they 00:01:42.779 --> 00:01:46.049 can have the fun that I have with all these puppies going through my house 00:01:46.209 --> 00:01:49.859 with it being a happy thing instead of sort of a, what have I done moment. 00:01:50.154 --> 00:01:51.084 Anke: Oh, I love that. 00:01:51.084 --> 00:01:51.864 I love that so much. 00:01:51.864 --> 00:01:54.934 It's like, I was saying before I checked out your Instagram account, 00:01:55.014 --> 00:01:56.174 I was just drooling all over. 00:01:56.824 --> 00:02:00.388 Like, oh my god, this woman lives in heaven with all these little puppies. 00:02:00.388 --> 00:02:02.274 It's like little fluffballs all day long. 00:02:03.544 --> 00:02:03.914 It is 00:02:03.914 --> 00:02:04.224 Kathy: true. 00:02:06.134 --> 00:02:07.084 So it is true. 00:02:07.084 --> 00:02:11.224 So we will take in, you know, so I have two sides of, My 00:02:11.224 --> 00:02:12.484 whole life being with puppies. 00:02:12.484 --> 00:02:16.034 One side is the volunteer side when I have all, when we're raising the 00:02:16.034 --> 00:02:18.734 literature and the other side is working with the clients and bringing 00:02:18.734 --> 00:02:21.534 those client puppies here or going to their homes and working with them. 00:02:21.864 --> 00:02:25.674 Either way, my days are filled with fluffy little puppies 00:02:25.694 --> 00:02:27.584 and it could not be more fun. 00:02:27.614 --> 00:02:28.544 It's just a delight. 00:02:28.544 --> 00:02:30.724 And yeah, you can find it all on Instagram, which is fun. 00:02:31.644 --> 00:02:33.944 Anke: I will obviously pop the link in the show notes and below 00:02:33.964 --> 00:02:35.034 this video if you want to watch it. 00:02:35.414 --> 00:02:36.014 So. 00:02:36.949 --> 00:02:41.299 I mean, you know what, funny enough, what the first question that pops to my mind 00:02:41.349 --> 00:02:45.829 is, like, how do you deal with them going? 00:02:46.049 --> 00:02:48.559 Like, it's like, I kind of like, if I see a puppy, it's like, 00:02:48.559 --> 00:02:50.329 I get so attached so quickly. 00:02:50.329 --> 00:02:52.549 It's like, what's that like to let them go? 00:02:53.279 --> 00:02:55.709 Kathy: That is, in fact, everybody's, for every real dog 00:02:55.709 --> 00:02:58.399 owner, that's their first question when they find out that we foster. 00:02:58.399 --> 00:03:02.269 And in fact, that was our first question too, when we pondered starting fostering 00:03:02.269 --> 00:03:04.699 is, how in the world would we let them go? 00:03:04.809 --> 00:03:09.199 Um, And it is a legit concern because it is hard. 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.389 And I can tell you that the first year or so, I always cried the night before, 00:03:13.619 --> 00:03:15.659 um, because it felt like a betrayal. 00:03:15.699 --> 00:03:18.249 You know, we had gotten them in, they were scared. 00:03:18.249 --> 00:03:19.169 We pulled them in here. 00:03:19.169 --> 00:03:20.209 We've gotten them okay. 00:03:20.529 --> 00:03:23.629 Our dogs play a big role in making them feel comfortable. 00:03:23.649 --> 00:03:26.039 I think our dogs, our dogs are amazing. 00:03:26.049 --> 00:03:31.099 And they just translate in two seconds what might take us days or even a week. 00:03:31.349 --> 00:03:31.829 Hey. 00:03:31.829 --> 00:03:31.879 Anke. 00:03:32.139 --> 00:03:33.149 It's good here. 00:03:33.189 --> 00:03:34.329 You're safe here. 00:03:34.369 --> 00:03:37.639 Anyway, they all get so comfortable here and yeah, you 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:38.669 feel terrible giving them up. 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:43.529 But here's what actually happens then within maybe three days. 00:03:44.034 --> 00:03:49.644 You have started to get these pictures of this puppy, all happily 00:03:49.644 --> 00:03:51.194 ensconced in his new family. 00:03:51.224 --> 00:03:55.064 And you just look at their smiles, you look at his glee, and you're 00:03:55.064 --> 00:03:59.814 like, Oh right, oh right, I forgot, I am just the link here. 00:03:59.834 --> 00:04:03.849 This is just, and it becomes deeply, you're quite sure. 00:04:04.009 --> 00:04:06.709 that you are supposed to just be this transition. 00:04:06.739 --> 00:04:12.229 We are their safe landing, we're their soft landing, we get them, move them from 00:04:12.269 --> 00:04:14.649 a world of risk into a world of safety. 00:04:14.679 --> 00:04:17.089 And we're just the, we're just the thing in between. 00:04:17.329 --> 00:04:20.199 And it is a delightful role to play. 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.729 And because it turns out okay. 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:24.949 I can still say goodbye to the puppies. 00:04:24.989 --> 00:04:27.259 In the beginning I didn't have enough evidence. 00:04:27.269 --> 00:04:29.999 In the beginning I didn't know if it was going to turn out okay. 00:04:29.999 --> 00:04:31.869 I didn't know how the puppies were going to do. 00:04:32.259 --> 00:04:37.619 But years and years and years of evidence have shown me that almost always, holy 00:04:37.619 --> 00:04:39.569 mackerel, it turns out beautifully. 00:04:39.599 --> 00:04:40.239 It, it, it does. 00:04:40.499 --> 00:04:44.839 Things happen the way they're supposed to and I often am still in touch with these 00:04:44.849 --> 00:04:49.259 puppies because many of them because I'm obnoxious on social media I am constantly 00:04:49.259 --> 00:04:53.789 posting these puppies and so people in my zip code end up with my puppy. 00:04:53.789 --> 00:04:56.729 So I'm not kidding you I'm walking down the street and I will see 00:04:56.749 --> 00:04:57.739 in different neighborhoods. 00:04:57.789 --> 00:05:00.049 I'll be like, oh look there's a puppy There's Piper. 00:05:00.059 --> 00:05:01.319 Look, there's Lulu. 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.899 And that is very rewarding and fun. 00:05:03.909 --> 00:05:04.269 Yep. 00:05:04.359 --> 00:05:05.809 We have some frequent flyers too. 00:05:05.809 --> 00:05:09.999 We have several families who at this point have gotten two fosters 00:05:09.999 --> 00:05:11.379 from us, which is awfully fun. 00:05:11.829 --> 00:05:12.529 Anke: Oh, I love that. 00:05:12.559 --> 00:05:12.869 I love it. 00:05:13.719 --> 00:05:14.169 So. 00:05:15.164 --> 00:05:19.254 I mean, I don't know, like I've had like neighbors and things when there's 00:05:19.254 --> 00:05:24.614 like, oh, we got a puppy and then like literally days later they were frustrated. 00:05:24.614 --> 00:05:27.724 It was crying all the time, you know, and I'm sort of thinking, for 00:05:28.484 --> 00:05:31.354 God's sake, don't you have any bit of patience, any bit of compassion? 00:05:32.444 --> 00:05:37.894 So what's the, what are typical mistakes or misunderstandings or 00:05:37.904 --> 00:05:43.504 misconceptions or, or like false expectations that people often have 00:05:43.624 --> 00:05:45.557 and obviously don't want to do instead. 00:05:45.557 --> 00:05:46.429 Kathy: What's the answer? 00:05:46.429 --> 00:05:46.720 Yeah. 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:47.882 So that's really it. 00:05:47.882 --> 00:05:52.204 So, so we, I often get people calling me maybe two weeks later, maybe 00:05:52.204 --> 00:05:57.574 three, and truly they're like, okay, I think this might've been a mistake. 00:05:57.699 --> 00:06:00.999 And they feel terrible saying it out loud, but that's truly, they're lying 00:06:00.999 --> 00:06:02.539 awake thinking, what have I done? 00:06:02.779 --> 00:06:06.079 My life was perfect before and now it's miserable because of 00:06:06.089 --> 00:06:09.069 the 24 7 nature of puppies. 00:06:09.069 --> 00:06:11.549 You know, they're peeing, they're pooping, they're chewing, they're 00:06:11.859 --> 00:06:13.389 biting the kids, they're jumping up. 00:06:13.389 --> 00:06:16.239 The kids were begging for the puppy, then they got the puppy, now 00:06:16.239 --> 00:06:19.199 they're crying and saying, I hate the puppy, the puppy's biting me. 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:24.369 So, I'm All that stuff takes them by surprise because there's some 00:06:24.369 --> 00:06:28.219 kind of myth about what puppyhood is supposed to be like in our life. 00:06:28.219 --> 00:06:30.339 We all think it's supposed to be easy to have a dog and 00:06:30.359 --> 00:06:31.949 having a puppy will be glorious. 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.469 And it can be. 00:06:34.764 --> 00:06:36.814 But first you need to set yourself up. 00:06:36.834 --> 00:06:40.394 So, so the thing that I tell folks, so when they call me in that misery, 00:06:40.724 --> 00:06:43.834 I will come and I'll do a consult with them and they'll often have a little 00:06:43.834 --> 00:06:46.184 notebook, you know, pull out their little notebook and they're ready to 00:06:46.184 --> 00:06:48.074 write down all of my tips and tricks. 00:06:48.514 --> 00:06:50.914 And I tell them, I do have those things. 00:06:51.004 --> 00:06:54.744 I have approaches and techniques I'd love for you to try, but 00:06:54.744 --> 00:06:55.784 none of them will work for you. 00:06:56.109 --> 00:06:58.829 Because right now you're not in the right mindset. 00:06:59.249 --> 00:07:01.679 Puppyhood is a mindset game. 00:07:01.739 --> 00:07:05.429 And if you can get in the right headspace for it, you're 00:07:05.429 --> 00:07:06.609 going to be able to enjoy it. 00:07:06.619 --> 00:07:10.729 So what I tell them to get them there is, there's one thing I want 00:07:10.729 --> 00:07:11.909 you to write in that notebook today. 00:07:11.919 --> 00:07:14.709 And it is, this is a baby. 00:07:15.044 --> 00:07:17.904 That I've kidnapped from another planet. 00:07:18.494 --> 00:07:20.254 Baby kidnapped planet. 00:07:20.264 --> 00:07:22.764 So this is, nobody wants to hear that. 00:07:22.764 --> 00:07:23.824 Makes you feel bad. 00:07:24.114 --> 00:07:27.554 And I tell them, I don't say this to make you feel sad, but usually when you say 00:07:27.554 --> 00:07:30.404 that people kind of instinctively get it. 00:07:31.004 --> 00:07:35.594 Um, these puppies have been rolling around, having a ball with their 00:07:35.654 --> 00:07:37.964 own families, doing doggy things. 00:07:37.984 --> 00:07:40.704 They've been chewing and digging and biting and wrestling. 00:07:40.964 --> 00:07:42.424 They've always had a friend. 00:07:42.604 --> 00:07:43.514 Right next to them. 00:07:43.514 --> 00:07:47.874 They have never slept alone and no one has gotten mad at them for all 00:07:47.874 --> 00:07:49.654 of those very natural doggy things. 00:07:49.814 --> 00:07:52.014 One day someone plucked them out. 00:07:52.014 --> 00:07:53.954 They didn't know what was going to happen. 00:07:53.974 --> 00:07:56.284 The humans have been looking forward to this forever. 00:07:56.574 --> 00:07:57.824 The puppy hasn't. 00:07:58.284 --> 00:07:59.444 And then the humans grab him. 00:07:59.444 --> 00:08:00.954 The humans are so excited. 00:08:00.984 --> 00:08:01.454 Guess what? 00:08:01.464 --> 00:08:03.774 The puppy is devastated. 00:08:04.204 --> 00:08:08.814 Now, obviously, if you have an incredible breeder or an incredible foster, um, 00:08:08.834 --> 00:08:12.844 situation, they have been doing everything they can to prepare the puppy for this 00:08:12.844 --> 00:08:16.744 moment of separation, giving them a little time alone, but often that's not the case. 00:08:16.764 --> 00:08:19.454 And this is the first time they actually are taking a breath without 00:08:19.474 --> 00:08:20.854 all of their littermates next to them. 00:08:21.124 --> 00:08:25.024 You bring them into your house and then what happens is the puppy 00:08:25.024 --> 00:08:28.199 starts to Doing all the things that come naturally to dogs. 00:08:28.239 --> 00:08:31.739 They are still biting, wrestling, digging, chewing, pooping, peeing. 00:08:32.309 --> 00:08:34.909 And suddenly all they hear is no. 00:08:35.449 --> 00:08:37.269 And their only family no is you. 00:08:37.789 --> 00:08:42.399 And because it hasn't been set up right and you don't have the right 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:46.069 expectations, you are filling that relationship with a bunch of nos. 00:08:46.389 --> 00:08:51.489 And that is how this puppy's starting off in this new planet on planet human. 00:08:51.499 --> 00:08:52.389 All he hears is no. 00:08:52.739 --> 00:08:54.599 So that's not what we want to do. 00:08:54.609 --> 00:08:55.389 You're upset. 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:56.369 The puppy's upset. 00:08:56.589 --> 00:08:57.719 Nothing good is happening. 00:08:57.719 --> 00:08:59.429 Stress is rising in the household. 00:08:59.649 --> 00:09:01.039 Does not have to be this way. 00:09:01.049 --> 00:09:05.939 So, the key is to remember, Hey, baby, kidnapped, another planet. 00:09:06.219 --> 00:09:07.759 Hmm, what does he need? 00:09:07.779 --> 00:09:11.099 And the number one thing this baby needs is to feel safe. 00:09:11.249 --> 00:09:15.029 This baby needs to feel safe, needs to feel like he can trust you. 00:09:15.299 --> 00:09:19.339 And the best way for you to help him feel that way is with your setup. 00:09:19.649 --> 00:09:22.329 You need to think through how you're going to set up your house. 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:27.779 So the big mistake I see people doing is giving the puppy either 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:30.309 too much space or too little space. 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.749 So if you give a puppy too much space, they are going all over your house. 00:09:34.749 --> 00:09:36.759 Of course, they're going to pee and poop everywhere. 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:38.339 You're not even going to notice it. 00:09:38.339 --> 00:09:40.979 You might be like, gosh, he's doing so well. 00:09:40.989 --> 00:09:42.319 I don't think he's peed at all inside. 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:45.289 And I go into those consults and I'm like, uh oh, Spaghetti O, 00:09:45.389 --> 00:09:46.859 let's check behind the couch here. 00:09:47.259 --> 00:09:52.049 Um, so, uh, so too much space is bad and too much space also, 00:09:52.069 --> 00:09:54.229 it allows for a lot of mistakes. 00:09:54.314 --> 00:09:59.654 because your kids are there, your precious items there, all your shoes are there. 00:09:59.904 --> 00:10:04.954 So all those no's are waiting in every single corner for the puppy to bump 00:10:04.954 --> 00:10:07.654 into so that then you're like, Hey, no. 00:10:08.054 --> 00:10:11.254 And then once again, you're interfering with your relationship there. 00:10:11.484 --> 00:10:12.874 So too much space is bad. 00:10:13.254 --> 00:10:15.174 So the opposite though is too little space. 00:10:15.184 --> 00:10:19.164 Sometimes people, but often before they get the puppy, it feels really 00:10:19.174 --> 00:10:22.604 terrific to set up a tiny little pen and be like, that's where the puppy is. 00:10:22.604 --> 00:10:25.724 Puppy will be, and you kind of feel great because you're like, hey, our life is 00:10:25.724 --> 00:10:29.064 going to go on as normal, but then the puppy will be in the pen and you put 00:10:29.064 --> 00:10:32.214 all the toys in the pen and the crate in the pen and it all feels doable. 00:10:32.604 --> 00:10:35.984 Well, then you get the puppy and the puppy quies in the pen. 00:10:35.984 --> 00:10:37.554 He quies and quies and quies. 00:10:37.584 --> 00:10:39.594 And the truth is you don't want to go in that pen either. 00:10:39.594 --> 00:10:40.754 It's kind of too small. 00:10:40.924 --> 00:10:43.524 So you go in there like the first day or two, but then you're like, ugh. 00:10:43.954 --> 00:10:44.964 I don't want to be in the pen. 00:10:45.204 --> 00:10:48.874 Well, and the puppy doesn't want to be without you because again, he's a 00:10:48.904 --> 00:10:51.534 baby kidnapped from another planet. 00:10:51.544 --> 00:10:52.684 He wants to be with you. 00:10:52.684 --> 00:10:53.834 He doesn't feel secure. 00:10:53.834 --> 00:10:59.274 He needs you right next to him so he can start to realize this is his new family. 00:10:59.274 --> 00:11:04.554 So, Um, so the best setup is if you make a little puppy apartment. 00:11:04.684 --> 00:11:07.574 It needs to be smaller than the house, bigger than a pen. 00:11:07.624 --> 00:11:11.814 And so the ideal thing is, I love to get clients, if we can sort of do 00:11:11.874 --> 00:11:13.474 gates on the kitchen or something. 00:11:13.844 --> 00:11:16.934 This becomes sort of a big problem, a lot of people have these beautiful open plan 00:11:16.934 --> 00:11:20.434 homes and that becomes kind of a problem, but you can get, there are great products 00:11:20.434 --> 00:11:24.494 out there that you won't hate, that are kind of beautiful, that can be temporary. 00:11:24.584 --> 00:11:25.984 Remember this is all temporary. 00:11:26.214 --> 00:11:28.974 But if you can section off your house and create. 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:34.149 A lovely space where you are happy hanging out with your puppy for 00:11:34.149 --> 00:11:38.659 the first few weeks, maybe two months, then you are going to, boy, 00:11:38.669 --> 00:11:39.889 is everything going to be easier. 00:11:40.089 --> 00:11:41.959 Potty training is going to come easily. 00:11:42.259 --> 00:11:45.629 Um, chewing and biting on the kids is going to come easily because you've 00:11:45.629 --> 00:11:47.369 got a management system in place. 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:49.959 The, the kids come down, it's exciting. 00:11:50.439 --> 00:11:54.849 The puppy can't get into the pattern of getting paws up on the kids and 00:11:54.849 --> 00:11:59.319 mouth Mouth dragging those pants because you've got the gate there. 00:11:59.319 --> 00:12:02.749 So it gives you a chance to get your act together and ask for something. 00:12:02.809 --> 00:12:06.089 Play a little, find it, ask for a little sit, play a little, find it, ask 00:12:06.099 --> 00:12:08.609 for a little sit, puppy gets used to. 00:12:09.069 --> 00:12:12.469 Oh, listening to words is rewarding for me. 00:12:12.469 --> 00:12:13.239 This is fun. 00:12:13.669 --> 00:12:17.699 And all four, four, um, paws are on the floor. 00:12:17.699 --> 00:12:18.619 If you're playing, find it. 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.329 And that mouth is directed to the ground. 00:12:20.339 --> 00:12:21.099 If you're playing, find it. 00:12:21.109 --> 00:12:25.549 Now your four year old can come into the area, continue playing, find it. 00:12:26.079 --> 00:12:27.619 And they got into a good pattern. 00:12:27.629 --> 00:12:31.129 Later, in a few weeks, you won't even need to be doing that because the pattern 00:12:31.139 --> 00:12:35.339 when the kid comes into the room is, Oh, we walk around, I stay on the floor. 00:12:35.489 --> 00:12:38.369 They never got into the pattern of jumping and biting. 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:43.179 And the jumping and biting, all that is, is the puppy's need for engagement. 00:12:43.449 --> 00:12:45.619 That's how puppies engage with each other. 00:12:45.699 --> 00:12:47.239 They're simply engaging with you. 00:12:47.239 --> 00:12:48.429 You're all they've got. 00:12:48.749 --> 00:12:50.639 Of course, they're going to engage. 00:12:50.699 --> 00:12:51.869 Jump up and use their teeth. 00:12:51.869 --> 00:12:56.199 It's up to us to teach this little alien from another planet 00:12:56.439 --> 00:12:58.779 how we do it on planet human. 00:12:58.779 --> 00:13:00.989 And so you just need tricks up your sleeve like that. 00:13:00.989 --> 00:13:03.929 You need to set up some management, set up your puppy apartment, 00:13:04.439 --> 00:13:05.919 and then have some ideas. 00:13:05.939 --> 00:13:11.229 You got to anticipate how you're going to teach this puppy to succeed in this world. 00:13:11.249 --> 00:13:14.899 And you need to understand and totally expect that he's going to come at you 00:13:14.929 --> 00:13:17.349 as a dog, not as a little baby human. 00:13:17.619 --> 00:13:21.649 And so if you set him up for a bunch of yeses, he's Remove the nose. 00:13:21.659 --> 00:13:24.379 Like, so that puppy apartment is not filled with stuff for him 00:13:24.379 --> 00:13:26.909 to chew and pee on and destroy. 00:13:27.239 --> 00:13:32.519 Instead, it's filled with great toys for him, appropriate chew items, so he begins 00:13:32.529 --> 00:13:35.839 to develop all the patterns, all the good patterns we want to see him doing, 00:13:35.839 --> 00:13:37.664 which is Chewing on the right stuff. 00:13:37.694 --> 00:13:38.624 Of course he's going to chew. 00:13:38.674 --> 00:13:40.214 Make sure he's got good stuff to chew on. 00:13:40.534 --> 00:13:42.504 Of course he's going to want to engage with you. 00:13:42.504 --> 00:13:47.414 Make sure you're ready to engage with him in a way that you like, 00:13:47.544 --> 00:13:49.234 that isn't just him coming at you. 00:13:49.294 --> 00:13:53.744 Anyway, so, that kind of, all those expectations and being able to manage 00:13:53.744 --> 00:13:58.864 that scenario, those things are the things that kind of, um, smooth 00:13:58.884 --> 00:14:03.124 people into being able to enjoy that puppyhood instead of constantly being 00:14:03.124 --> 00:14:04.884 surprised by how hard you're doing this. 00:14:05.284 --> 00:14:06.834 Anke: Yeah, I love that. 00:14:06.834 --> 00:14:07.244 I love that. 00:14:07.464 --> 00:14:09.394 Because it does kind of reframe the whole thing. 00:14:09.694 --> 00:14:14.594 You, it throws it in your face, that little, like, that bit of compassion 00:14:14.624 --> 00:14:17.934 that's like, yeah, put yourself in, like, empathy, like, put yourself into that 00:14:17.934 --> 00:14:23.874 little puppy's shoes and see, like, How much change there has been for them, you 00:14:23.874 --> 00:14:28.164 know, like something that I hear a lot, uh, that people say, yeah, you know, 00:14:28.164 --> 00:14:29.944 like the sleeping arrangement, right? 00:14:30.844 --> 00:14:32.284 You know, there's like funny memes. 00:14:32.284 --> 00:14:34.724 It's like, oh yeah, no, the dogs can sleep in the, in the, 00:14:34.884 --> 00:14:36.424 in the, you know, in the crate. 00:14:36.464 --> 00:14:39.514 And then, you know, then at the end of the day, the dog cries and 00:14:39.514 --> 00:14:41.104 the dog kind of ends up sleeping. 00:14:41.414 --> 00:14:47.124 So like, what's your, what's your take on like, should the puppies, because 00:14:47.124 --> 00:14:49.174 you know, if the puppies in, in, it's. 00:14:55.334 --> 00:15:01.474 Kathy: So what I try to do in this book is free you up because every 00:15:01.474 --> 00:15:05.084 dog's an individual, every human's an individual, households are different. 00:15:05.554 --> 00:15:09.144 So I try not to be too prescriptive of exactly how you should 00:15:09.154 --> 00:15:12.154 go about a situation like a puppy on their first night. 00:15:12.484 --> 00:15:16.134 But what I do want to do is free you up to do what feels right to you. 00:15:16.154 --> 00:15:17.834 And for me. 00:15:18.309 --> 00:15:20.809 100 percent that is bringing that puppy in bed with me. 00:15:20.889 --> 00:15:22.809 Um, because I'm happy with that. 00:15:22.809 --> 00:15:23.839 My husband's happy with that. 00:15:23.849 --> 00:15:24.439 We're cool. 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:25.489 Our dogs are fine with that. 00:15:25.489 --> 00:15:26.549 So it works for us. 00:15:26.909 --> 00:15:27.369 But guess what? 00:15:27.369 --> 00:15:28.669 That doesn't work for everyone. 00:15:28.719 --> 00:15:32.789 Um, what I will say I want everyone to do is not leave that 00:15:32.789 --> 00:15:33.969 puppy alone that first night. 00:15:34.019 --> 00:15:36.089 That is absolutely too shocking. 00:15:36.089 --> 00:15:39.549 So for a lot of folks, what works, um, you know, maybe their partner 00:15:39.549 --> 00:15:40.659 doesn't want a dog in the bed. 00:15:40.659 --> 00:15:42.649 Maybe they don't want the dog in the bedroom for whatever 00:15:42.649 --> 00:15:44.429 reasons, you know, people have their reasons for those things. 00:15:44.429 --> 00:15:44.869 That's okay. 00:15:45.189 --> 00:15:45.979 But the. 00:15:46.204 --> 00:15:50.164 But that first night, the first few nights, maybe the first week, while 00:15:50.164 --> 00:15:55.634 that puppy is really confused and wondering what the heck is up, you need 00:15:55.644 --> 00:15:57.169 to be by that puppy's side at night. 00:15:57.169 --> 00:16:00.424 And so one thing that can work just fine is if you're sleeping downstairs 00:16:00.424 --> 00:16:03.204 on the couch, that maybe, maybe he's in a crate and the crate's right 00:16:03.204 --> 00:16:06.604 next to the couch and you are just comforting him through the night. 00:16:06.604 --> 00:16:08.154 You're like, you're okay, you're okay. 00:16:08.154 --> 00:16:11.689 And you're putting your little fingers through, um, Um, the, the create and 00:16:11.689 --> 00:16:13.459 soothing him and that can be just fine. 00:16:13.469 --> 00:16:16.729 So the point is, as you say, that word empathy. 00:16:17.259 --> 00:16:19.089 is your guiding light. 00:16:19.099 --> 00:16:22.939 So you figure it out, but have empathy for this dog. 00:16:22.939 --> 00:16:25.919 So you can be down on the couch next to the crate. 00:16:25.929 --> 00:16:28.609 You can have him on your chest while you're down on the couch. 00:16:28.619 --> 00:16:32.009 You can, you can sleep in the pen with him if you want. 00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:35.979 You can, um, you could have him, there are tiny little carriers. 00:16:36.209 --> 00:16:40.329 You could put that on your bed in between you so he's kind of confined 00:16:40.329 --> 00:16:41.909 and you're not worried about pee. 00:16:42.059 --> 00:16:44.639 So the reason people don't want a dog in bed with them because 00:16:44.669 --> 00:16:45.779 they think that dogs only pee. 00:16:46.059 --> 00:16:47.309 Here's what's interesting. 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.769 So Tom and I often, um, have an eight week old puppy sleeping all 00:16:51.769 --> 00:16:53.519 night with us and it's not a problem. 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.369 And, um, here is the thing. 00:16:56.379 --> 00:17:03.859 The bed itself kind of works as a crate in that, um, they, they do feel a little 00:17:03.859 --> 00:17:07.699 trapped on the bed cause it's too high and at that age they kind of can't jump off. 00:17:07.969 --> 00:17:13.109 So they're sort of stuck in a little space and dogs want to be naturally clean. 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.589 Like I see it even in a three week old. 00:17:15.589 --> 00:17:19.519 Like if I have a mom who's given birth here and the little three weeks old 00:17:19.589 --> 00:17:23.409 are starting to eliminate by themselves and they start to crawl around. 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:28.669 I will see them crawl off their little mat onto the floor to 00:17:28.689 --> 00:17:30.459 eliminate, turn around and crawl back. 00:17:30.699 --> 00:17:33.449 These guys have barely opened their eyes, barely opened their 00:17:33.469 --> 00:17:37.629 ears, but their natural instinct not to eliminate where they live. 00:17:38.064 --> 00:17:39.414 is going strong already. 00:17:39.414 --> 00:17:42.764 So that is true in an eight week old as well, unless they've been 00:17:42.774 --> 00:17:47.014 screwed up by, by a bad puppy mill or something where they never had 00:17:47.014 --> 00:17:48.614 the option of a clean and a dirty. 00:17:48.744 --> 00:17:49.814 Anyway, I digress. 00:17:49.814 --> 00:17:54.524 So normal puppies at eight weeks really do, if they, they don't want to eliminate 00:17:54.524 --> 00:17:55.834 right where they're sleeping and living. 00:17:55.834 --> 00:18:00.039 So if you put them on the bed with you, That, that, that kind of works, 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:06.049 like they will sort of hold it, um, and then, here's the thing, at 5 in 00:18:06.049 --> 00:18:09.869 the morning or whatever, so you can't expect them to hold it for 8 hours, but 00:18:09.869 --> 00:18:13.779 you know what, they're gonna hold it for 6 most often, and so we will go to 00:18:13.779 --> 00:18:17.099 bed at 11, and lights out, we're quiet. 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.929 Um, and they will snuggle into our nooks and crannies, just like they used 00:18:20.939 --> 00:18:22.649 to snuggle in with their litter mates. 00:18:22.689 --> 00:18:23.989 And they feel happy. 00:18:23.989 --> 00:18:27.319 You can almost feel them sighing like, okay, I know what this is. 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:27.979 This is all right. 00:18:28.029 --> 00:18:29.339 And they can relax. 00:18:29.879 --> 00:18:33.439 Um, but then at five in the morning, they start walking around. 00:18:33.469 --> 00:18:34.869 You better get out there. 00:18:35.019 --> 00:18:37.029 So there is no time for your own bathroom break. 00:18:37.029 --> 00:18:38.259 I hate to break it to you. 00:18:38.259 --> 00:18:42.259 Do not think that you can stop at the bathroom, put the puppy down because 00:18:42.589 --> 00:18:45.719 the puppy will pee the second those, those four feet are on the ground. 00:18:46.024 --> 00:18:49.774 So you need to scoot outside to the bathroom area at five in the morning. 00:18:50.074 --> 00:18:54.424 But my point is just that that you can sleep in your own bed with that 00:18:54.424 --> 00:18:57.974 puppy right from the beginning and you probably are going to be able 00:18:57.974 --> 00:18:59.334 to have about six hours of sleep. 00:18:59.394 --> 00:19:03.064 Lots of people think that they, a lot of people set the alarm for 00:19:03.064 --> 00:19:06.794 like two or and four because they think the puppy has to eliminate. 00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:10.899 The thing is, the puppy will go, like if you wake them up and you take them 00:19:10.899 --> 00:19:12.769 outside, of course they're going to pee. 00:19:13.239 --> 00:19:16.309 But often, and then you think, oh shoot, they really do have to 00:19:16.309 --> 00:19:17.109 pee in the middle of the night. 00:19:17.369 --> 00:19:19.459 They don't really have to, usually. 00:19:19.739 --> 00:19:22.299 It's just that if you give them the opportunity, they will. 00:19:22.389 --> 00:19:24.969 But I can promise you we do it all the time when we, and 00:19:24.979 --> 00:19:26.429 it's when we have a last puppy. 00:19:26.429 --> 00:19:27.859 So we call it last puppy syndrome. 00:19:27.859 --> 00:19:31.259 So if somebody hasn't been picked yet out of the litter, that one gets to 00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:33.179 get pulled more into our regular life. 00:19:33.569 --> 00:19:37.269 And so that one will end up rather sleeping than sleeping with the puppies 00:19:37.269 --> 00:19:39.689 in the puppy den since they're gone now. 00:19:39.879 --> 00:19:41.019 We'll pull that one with us. 00:19:41.059 --> 00:19:43.494 And I promise you, we've done this with, I can't even tell you 00:19:43.494 --> 00:19:44.524 how many puppies over the years. 00:19:44.884 --> 00:19:47.354 They typically go 11 to 5. 00:19:47.774 --> 00:19:51.394 And we, you know, you don't feed them, you have to be a little careful, just like, 00:19:51.564 --> 00:19:52.874 you know, think about how this works. 00:19:52.884 --> 00:19:56.824 If you give them a giant meal at 10, they're not going to make it all night. 00:19:56.914 --> 00:19:58.654 But if the last time you feed them. 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:02.349 is about 6 at night and if you're gonna go to bed at 11 and you're 00:20:02.349 --> 00:20:05.129 gonna make sure that you give them a big chance to romp around at 10. 00:20:05.129 --> 00:20:10.769 30 and truly eliminate and that doesn't mean you know you can't just open the door 00:20:10.769 --> 00:20:15.299 and say hey do you have to go and assume that a puppy will go out and go no no no 00:20:15.299 --> 00:20:20.439 no no you have to go out put on your shoes Maybe it's raining, you have to go out 00:20:20.439 --> 00:20:25.229 yourself, and if you move around, they're going to go ahead and empty themselves. 00:20:25.229 --> 00:20:28.699 And that gives you, that increases your odds of having a nice long 00:20:28.699 --> 00:20:32.939 sleep because they will be fully empty by the time you, you attempt 00:20:32.979 --> 00:20:34.641 that, that, uh, that big effort. 00:20:34.641 --> 00:20:35.290 Actually, this is fun. 00:20:35.290 --> 00:20:35.614 This is 00:20:35.614 --> 00:20:37.659 Anke: hilarious because I think like, when I remember like, my 00:20:37.819 --> 00:20:39.219 first one later was exactly that. 00:20:39.579 --> 00:20:42.639 And I remember my dad, like, my parents looked after them for a couple of 00:20:42.639 --> 00:20:44.399 days, like shortly after he came. 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:47.339 You've got to see him. 00:20:47.749 --> 00:20:50.849 And he looked at me like, what happened? 00:20:50.919 --> 00:20:56.209 He goes, well, he was asleep like at 11 in the morning. 00:20:56.209 --> 00:20:56.409 Right. 00:20:56.409 --> 00:21:00.609 And I speak to my mom and she goes, well, like Leo would kind of 00:21:00.639 --> 00:21:04.699 like, he'd scratch at the door and every day he goes, Ooh, this works. 00:21:04.709 --> 00:21:06.629 So he'd scratch on the inside. 00:21:06.629 --> 00:21:07.989 They had him in the bedroom with him. 00:21:08.009 --> 00:21:10.589 But so he kind of like, and then we'll get up. 00:21:11.004 --> 00:21:14.454 And then the day after he scratched five minutes earlier and every day 00:21:14.454 --> 00:21:18.698 he scratched a little earlier and in the end Dev was like up at three 00:21:18.698 --> 00:21:20.224 and so he would go back to bed. 00:21:20.644 --> 00:21:22.834 But it's like totally that kind of six hours. 00:21:22.884 --> 00:21:27.454 I do remember that with all the, all the brothers that have come really young. 00:21:28.659 --> 00:21:31.849 It's, yeah, it's, it's, and I think, yeah, empathy is really what it comes. 00:21:31.889 --> 00:21:35.429 And that's why I love this, the book title so much because it really 00:21:35.429 --> 00:21:36.889 kind of throws it in your face. 00:21:36.949 --> 00:21:41.869 Like you can't kind of unsee it almost, you know, actually looking at. 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:43.029 Kathy: I think that's right. 00:21:43.059 --> 00:21:43.319 Right. 00:21:43.349 --> 00:21:46.719 I think that's what people tell me is that it does just, it's like 00:21:46.719 --> 00:21:48.699 it flips a switch in your brain. 00:21:48.739 --> 00:21:52.499 And that's the whole thing I wanted to do was because if you have flipped 00:21:52.499 --> 00:21:56.259 that switch and you have that empathy operating, you're not going to get so mad. 00:21:57.229 --> 00:22:00.539 And you're going to be able to see things more clearly, and you're 00:22:00.539 --> 00:22:02.569 going to be able to set stuff up. 00:22:02.589 --> 00:22:07.119 It's really about anticipating who this little puppy is and setting it 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.119 up so that she can have her needs met. 00:22:09.149 --> 00:22:12.609 Like, of course, she's going to need to be outside, and she's going to 00:22:12.609 --> 00:22:15.189 need to play, and she's going to need to sniff, and she's going to need to 00:22:15.189 --> 00:22:16.489 dig, and she's going to need to chew. 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:21.369 So if you just put in your five minutes of thinking, The night before, what 00:22:21.369 --> 00:22:22.499 am I going to do for her tomorrow? 00:22:22.509 --> 00:22:24.389 How does she get to be a dog tomorrow? 00:22:24.749 --> 00:22:30.209 Your life is going to be so much better if instead of that, you thought you 00:22:30.209 --> 00:22:34.349 could just go ahead with your regular life and have a, a movie puppy. 00:22:34.849 --> 00:22:35.279 A little fluff. 00:22:35.329 --> 00:22:35.409 You 00:22:35.509 --> 00:22:38.289 Anke: know, like, you know, sometimes you think, well, if that bothers you, 00:22:38.289 --> 00:22:41.259 that you have to get out, like, yeah, get a stuffed toy, don't get a dog. 00:22:41.669 --> 00:22:42.049 You know? 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:43.239 This is the end of the day. 00:22:43.239 --> 00:22:43.679 This is it. 00:22:43.949 --> 00:22:46.819 Yeah, puppies, such a short amount of time, like, you know, we were 00:22:46.819 --> 00:22:50.129 just talking, it's like, oh, you turn around twice and they're big, right? 00:22:50.369 --> 00:22:53.259 It's like, I think it's the time to enjoy them also when they 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:54.809 grow up, when they're so little. 00:22:55.939 --> 00:22:56.649 Kathy: Absolutely right. 00:22:56.679 --> 00:22:57.769 It is so fleeting. 00:22:57.779 --> 00:23:00.289 And that's one of the things that I try to talk to people is that 00:23:00.609 --> 00:23:02.984 if you, the happiest puppy people. 00:23:03.324 --> 00:23:08.714 Who turned into the happiest adult dog people are the people who dive in for 00:23:08.714 --> 00:23:12.464 those first six months, maybe a year, particularly the first six months. 00:23:12.834 --> 00:23:17.764 If you dive in and, and just, Make yourself enjoy it. 00:23:18.244 --> 00:23:20.834 And to do that, it means you're going to have to put some 00:23:20.834 --> 00:23:21.934 things on the back burner. 00:23:22.224 --> 00:23:25.244 You are going to have to put some of your social life, maybe some of your 00:23:25.244 --> 00:23:28.864 work, some of your exercise, some of, you know, you're going to have to 00:23:28.864 --> 00:23:30.544 put some things on the back burner. 00:23:31.034 --> 00:23:33.634 Um, but here's what I find. 00:23:34.164 --> 00:23:39.884 I find that, at least for me, what happens is once you, uh, rearrange 00:23:39.884 --> 00:23:42.929 the burners that way, You're happier. 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:47.669 And it, what, what puppyhood can often give you is a permanent 00:23:47.669 --> 00:23:51.559 rearrangement of those burners where you realize, Oh wait, hang on. 00:23:52.099 --> 00:23:55.759 I have more outside time, more walking time, more time with my 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:57.759 family, more time relaxing at home. 00:23:57.769 --> 00:24:00.699 Because what's great for dogs is hanging out. 00:24:01.299 --> 00:24:04.509 And a lot of that stuff is great for humans too. 00:24:04.744 --> 00:24:07.524 And it can be great for your mental health, great for your relationships, 00:24:07.544 --> 00:24:13.294 and um, but I find so many of us have trouble letting go of the busy, busy, 00:24:13.294 --> 00:24:19.534 busy lifestyle we're leading, that we instead resent the puppy for having needs. 00:24:19.604 --> 00:24:22.764 The puppy's barking, uh, what does he need, what does he need? 00:24:22.764 --> 00:24:27.379 And we resent that because it pulls us away from That's what? 00:24:27.469 --> 00:24:28.749 From scrolling? 00:24:28.779 --> 00:24:30.469 What is it pulling us away from? 00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:35.429 Anyway, um, I just find that if you can get into the right headspace, 00:24:36.069 --> 00:24:39.319 understand this is a puppy, he's going to have regular puppy needs, 00:24:39.339 --> 00:24:40.589 and throw yourselves into that. 00:24:40.609 --> 00:24:41.059 Guess what? 00:24:41.069 --> 00:24:44.389 You're going to get the joy that comes from interspecies communication. 00:24:44.449 --> 00:24:45.199 relationship. 00:24:45.219 --> 00:24:47.969 Like, I personally find it's not that fun. 00:24:47.969 --> 00:24:51.139 Like, I don't understand the kind of people who want to just dominate 00:24:51.139 --> 00:24:54.639 a dog and have a little robot next to them doing exactly what they say. 00:24:54.999 --> 00:24:58.099 I certainly do train, I'm a trainer for goodness sake. 00:24:58.129 --> 00:25:01.759 I do train dogs and I absolutely, I train sit down, stay, 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:02.819 he'll come, all that stuff. 00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:07.359 In my view, the way I train that stuff is to enhance our relationship. 00:25:07.429 --> 00:25:10.329 It's not so that the dog will blindly follow me all the time. 00:25:10.349 --> 00:25:14.009 It's basically like a game we do together that increases. 00:25:14.344 --> 00:25:18.664 like lubricates our communication together, that I teach these 00:25:18.694 --> 00:25:20.814 words, they figure out what it is. 00:25:21.204 --> 00:25:26.064 Those words tend to, um, you know, uh, mean that they get 00:25:26.064 --> 00:25:27.014 all sorts of great stuff. 00:25:27.024 --> 00:25:29.624 You know, there'll be a sit before we go on a big walk. 00:25:29.644 --> 00:25:33.834 There'll be a, um, wait before I open the car, which is going 00:25:33.834 --> 00:25:34.874 to take them to the park. 00:25:34.884 --> 00:25:38.714 You know, there's good, those words and their cooperation with 00:25:38.714 --> 00:25:40.924 those words brings a bunch of. 00:25:41.159 --> 00:25:42.949 reward to those dogs. 00:25:42.979 --> 00:25:46.239 And so we are living together in a world, we are communicating 00:25:46.239 --> 00:25:47.739 together, we understand each other. 00:25:48.109 --> 00:25:49.899 And that's just a delight. 00:25:49.909 --> 00:25:52.399 If that's not a delight for you, I just don't have at all. 00:25:52.709 --> 00:25:55.589 Like, yeah, I just, it is so much fun. 00:25:55.609 --> 00:26:00.049 And you will, you will learn so much more if you're open to it, to who this 00:26:00.069 --> 00:26:06.384 individual dog is, you will, Learn so much about yourself and about, you know, 00:26:06.504 --> 00:26:07.954 every dog has something to teach you. 00:26:08.394 --> 00:26:14.094 If instead you have this vision of exactly who this little puppy has to grow up to 00:26:14.094 --> 00:26:19.344 be and exactly the behaviors this dog has to do, you're going to be frustrated 00:26:19.664 --> 00:26:21.194 and you're also going to miss it. 00:26:21.204 --> 00:26:24.944 You're going to miss That's who this dog actually is because you will be 00:26:24.954 --> 00:26:29.544 suppressing all this dog's natural behavior and replacing it with this 00:26:29.544 --> 00:26:34.514 stuff you're trying super hard to, um, push down the dog's throat. 00:26:34.664 --> 00:26:36.024 And it's just It's 00:26:36.024 --> 00:26:38.004 Anke: similar with kids when you think about it, right? 00:26:38.004 --> 00:26:38.294 Yep. 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.369 It's the same thing, like, people, when you have, you know, oh, I want 00:26:41.369 --> 00:26:44.589 the kid to be a dancer, and the kid doesn't, doesn't want to be a dancer, 00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:46.049 you've got the same problem, right? 00:26:46.049 --> 00:26:52.389 So you can, you, you, you know, and I always looked at whatever I kind of 00:26:52.389 --> 00:26:57.509 teach the dogs, like, the only purpose this really has is to keep the dog safe. 00:26:58.029 --> 00:27:00.649 You know, like, what's the only reason I don't want them 00:27:00.669 --> 00:27:01.919 to run out, like, the door? 00:27:02.509 --> 00:27:05.549 It's because there could be a car coming or, like, something could happen. 00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:10.779 Like, it's almost like for them to listen to me saying, wait, or stop, or whatever. 00:27:10.789 --> 00:27:14.779 The only purpose it has for me is, like, to make sure I can keep you 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:18.629 safe because you're living in a human environment, you know, so that 00:27:18.629 --> 00:27:22.249 you need to know a few things to basically get through a life, you know? 00:27:22.884 --> 00:27:23.814 Kathy: That's, that's really right. 00:27:23.844 --> 00:27:29.494 And also, um, to make sure that, you know, you are in a human world and the dog's 00:27:29.494 --> 00:27:34.024 life is going to be better if other humans in general feel positively about the dog. 00:27:34.024 --> 00:27:37.004 So in that sense, you also don't want your dog jumping all over 00:27:37.004 --> 00:27:40.414 your guests and jumping up because you want all that to go well. 00:27:40.874 --> 00:27:44.519 Um, And that does sort of extend the safety of the dog I suppose. 00:27:44.589 --> 00:27:47.079 Um, and then the other thing is it's just something to do together. 00:27:47.269 --> 00:27:49.789 Like if you're sitting there and it's a rainy day and you can't go for a 00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:51.489 big hike and you can't do, guess what? 00:27:51.489 --> 00:27:52.279 You know what you can do? 00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:54.739 You can sit on the couch and you can play ping pong. 00:27:54.749 --> 00:27:57.549 Leslie, Leslie McDevitt's little fun ping pong game where you're playing 00:27:57.549 --> 00:28:01.009 find it and going back and forth and asking for a little trick in the middle. 00:28:01.239 --> 00:28:02.429 Stuff like that. 00:28:02.439 --> 00:28:03.329 Those little. 00:28:03.549 --> 00:28:04.589 Training games. 00:28:04.939 --> 00:28:07.359 It's just like playing Bananagrams with your kids. 00:28:07.439 --> 00:28:10.099 Like, it's a thing to do to pass the time. 00:28:10.099 --> 00:28:11.859 Here we are on earth together. 00:28:12.229 --> 00:28:13.489 There are going to be a few laughs. 00:28:13.489 --> 00:28:16.759 When you sit around and you play games with your kids, you laugh. 00:28:16.769 --> 00:28:18.039 You build your relationship. 00:28:18.069 --> 00:28:19.529 You get to know each other a little bit better. 00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.349 Yes, there's a little brain growth that happens as well. 00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.949 And it's the same for me with training with dogs, as I'm doing 00:28:26.949 --> 00:28:29.589 it for that fun reason as well. 00:28:29.769 --> 00:28:35.249 But I'm really not doing it because I insist on having a dog who performs 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:40.009 at a certain level doing exactly these things just like my old dog, you know? 00:28:40.289 --> 00:28:44.849 I want there to be a lot of room for this dog to be who this dog really is. 00:28:45.469 --> 00:28:46.009 Anke: I love that. 00:28:46.589 --> 00:28:50.589 So where can people go and get the book, find out more about you? 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:51.859 Sure. 00:28:51.889 --> 00:28:53.019 You know, stalk you on Instagram. 00:28:53.019 --> 00:28:54.299 Sure. 00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:54.599 Kathy: Yes. 00:28:54.659 --> 00:28:54.939 Okay. 00:28:54.939 --> 00:28:58.509 So the fun thing to do is stalk me on Instagram when I have a foster litter. 00:28:58.509 --> 00:29:01.239 So my Instagram is puppy pics. 00:29:01.644 --> 00:29:02.304 I think it's puppy. 00:29:02.604 --> 00:29:06.934 pix, P U P P Y dot pix, P I C K S. 00:29:07.314 --> 00:29:09.994 Um, and that's fun when I do have a foster litter. 00:29:09.994 --> 00:29:14.004 So this, this spring I took in a pregnant mom, had seven puppies. 00:29:14.024 --> 00:29:14.974 They were a delight. 00:29:15.004 --> 00:29:19.114 They, so you can watch their whole growth and they still come for, to play at 00:29:19.114 --> 00:29:20.714 my house, which is awfully fun for me. 00:29:20.744 --> 00:29:22.034 They're about 12 weeks old now. 00:29:22.384 --> 00:29:23.804 Um, so that's Instagram. 00:29:23.814 --> 00:29:24.764 I'm also on Facebook. 00:29:24.784 --> 00:29:25.574 I'm Kathy. 00:29:25.729 --> 00:29:30.089 Gord Callahan at Facebook, and I do post there all those puppies as well. 00:29:30.089 --> 00:29:33.699 And sometimes I put, I will also post some training videos 00:29:33.699 --> 00:29:35.189 and training tips there too. 00:29:35.509 --> 00:29:36.769 But then the big thing is the book. 00:29:36.789 --> 00:29:40.469 The book is Welcoming Your Puppy from Planet Dog, and you can get it 00:29:40.479 --> 00:29:42.539 wherever you like to get your books. 00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:44.469 My website is www. 00:29:44.509 --> 00:29:44.709 puppypics. 00:29:46.879 --> 00:29:47.319 com. 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.419 P U P P Y P I C K S dot com. 00:29:50.469 --> 00:29:52.089 And I'd love to connect with you. 00:29:53.299 --> 00:29:54.399 Anke: Thank you so much. 00:29:54.399 --> 00:29:55.239 This was delightful. 00:29:55.239 --> 00:29:56.669 I could talk copies with you all day long. 00:29:56.739 --> 00:29:57.279 I know, right? 00:29:57.629 --> 00:29:57.989 Right? 00:29:57.999 --> 00:29:59.049 Such a great topic. 00:29:59.389 --> 00:30:00.509 Such a brilliant topic. 00:30:00.529 --> 00:30:01.509 So thank you so much. 00:30:01.609 --> 00:30:03.239 And you know, I might get you back on. 00:30:04.129 --> 00:30:04.529 Awesome. 00:30:04.639 --> 00:30:06.139 You know, we'll, we'll find another. 00:30:06.159 --> 00:30:09.089 I actually have already an idea, but we'll talk about that offline. 00:30:09.089 --> 00:30:09.549 So thank you. 00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:11.089 Thank you so much. 00:30:11.219 --> 00:30:11.609 Kathy: All right. 00:30:12.109 --> 00:30:12.979 Nice to be here. 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:13.499 Thank you. 00:30:13.499 --> 00:30:13.759 Bye. 00:30:15.562 --> 00:30:16.792 Thanks so much for listening. 00:30:17.312 --> 00:30:21.612 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget 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