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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, good morning, good morning, we talk through

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<v Speaker 1>good morning, Good morning to you and you and you

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, in the morning. Love to stay up

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<v Speaker 1>late in the morning in the morning with you. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how about that? Wow, little bonus, got it?

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<v Speaker 2>We got bonus material material there. Man, that's we should

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<v Speaker 2>charge extra for this this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Hey, you just got to raise Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>did you. That's awesome. Yeah, we went from nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>Actually you're saying just enough now we probably have to

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<v Speaker 2>pay royalties.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, say you in the rain. That's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, well, good morning and welcome to the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 3>We are in the middle of a series about God's promises.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm so glad they're all here.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody, everybody's here, they're all tuned in today.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the multitudes people.

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<v Speaker 1>There are thousands. That's pretty that's pretty help. Like I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not like David Ann Wilson's podcast. I

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<v Speaker 3>always think of that like four million a month or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, if I had a better sidekick, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Dave has ann.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a it's all It's all about you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all about you.

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<v Speaker 3>If you had a better sidekick. It's Batman and Robin

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<v Speaker 3>who wants to be Robin the boy Wonder with the

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<v Speaker 3>green shoes and the shorts.

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<v Speaker 2>Woa man.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway we are before we dive into Psalm chapter

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<v Speaker 3>ninety one talking about God's protection. We are going to

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<v Speaker 3>have a segment actually that we just did a whole

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<v Speaker 3>week on this called stump the pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a fun one. I'd like to do

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<v Speaker 2>that again.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so this one comes from Jony p Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which which we've we've had questions before from Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Joni leaves comments often.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So here's what Jonie says.

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<v Speaker 2>She's hi Joni, Hi Jonny, and she's a super fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, she's awesome. So Jonie says, I've heard y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Does she's y'all? Is she Southern y'all?

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<v Speaker 1>She said y'all. Yeah, Okay, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>A tendency to want to read it now like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in Georgia because I lived in Atlanta, Yes, ten years

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<v Speaker 3>I heard y'all talk about your different spiritual gifts and

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<v Speaker 3>how oh no, and okay, fine, I want to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>You need some sweet tea, you're some sweet Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do it normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard y'all talk about your different spiritual gifts. So

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<v Speaker 3>how can anyone be sent to Hell if they are

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<v Speaker 3>pre wired to not believe in something they cannot see?

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<v Speaker 3>So she's saying if a person is pre wired to

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<v Speaker 3>be a skeptic, or if somebody is pre wired to

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<v Speaker 3>not have faith, if they don't have the gift of

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<v Speaker 3>faith or something I guess is what she's implying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we have to kind of be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a I think I have to fill

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<v Speaker 2>in some of the gaps on the question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me read it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard you all talk about your different spiritual gifts. So,

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<v Speaker 3>and because she's saying y'all, I think she's referring to

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<v Speaker 3>my gift of faith? Yes, okay, So how can anyone

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<v Speaker 2>Let's first of all, Jny, great question. Yeah, let's unpack

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<v Speaker 2>it in kind of the order. The main issue here, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the main issue is why would anybody go to Hell.

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<v Speaker 2>But first of all, let's get over to the where

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to be confusing to the two of us,

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<v Speaker 2>because yeah is particularly with regard to the confusion of

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual gifts. So describe the spiritual gifts idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the spiritual gifts idea is, we believe that every

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<v Speaker 3>Christian when they receive the Holy Spirit. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>you receive the Holy Spirit when you become a Christian,

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<v Speaker 3>when you turn your life over to God, when you surrender,

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<v Speaker 3>when you repent and you trust in Christ, then the

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<v Speaker 3>Holy Spirit becomes alive. You house the Holy Spirit, and

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<v Speaker 3>the Spirit gives us power. And along with power, God

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<v Speaker 3>us everything we need for a good spiritual life. And

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<v Speaker 3>among those things the Bible talks elsewhere, also actually in

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<v Speaker 3>Ephesians as well, where it talks about every Christian having

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<v Speaker 3>a spiritual gift. So I believe every spiritual every Christian

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<v Speaker 3>has at least one spiritual gift, and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>many of us are wired to have many. And so basically,

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<v Speaker 3>people have a propensity to lean in one way or

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<v Speaker 3>the other. People are they gravitate toward they're just an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible teacher, or they're an incredible evangelist, or they're an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible person of serving. They have the gift of serving

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<v Speaker 3>and helps, or they have the gift of wisdom or

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<v Speaker 3>discernment or now or you know all the different.

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<v Speaker 2>Spirits leadership, generosity. Yeah, there's a lot of those. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find the lists. There's three lists of spiritual gifts,

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<v Speaker 2>primary lists, and then there's a few other spiritual gifts.

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<v Speaker 2>Romans chapter twelve as a list. First, Corinthians chapter eleven

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<v Speaker 2>and twelve and fourteen kind of all talk about gifts

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<v Speaker 2>in different ways, and then in Ephesians it gives a

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<v Speaker 2>list of spiritual gifts. And so there's about twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>depends on how you view gifts, twenty six, twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight spiritual gifts, and God supernaturally gives those to

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<v Speaker 2>you so that you can fulfill the mission He has

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<v Speaker 2>designed for you in his kingdom, rights for his glory,

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<v Speaker 2>it's for the advancements advancements of the kingdom. So one

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<v Speaker 2>of those spiritual gifts is the spiritual gift of faith,

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<v Speaker 2>which is different from what theologians would call selvific faith.

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<v Speaker 2>Selvific faith is the kind of faith that takes to

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<v Speaker 2>be saved, to have your sins forgiven, to place your

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<v Speaker 2>faith and trust in Jesus Christ. So the gift of faith,

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual gift of faith, is this belief that God's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna work things out, this belief that God promised he

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<v Speaker 2>would and he can and he will. That's a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Having faith that God's going to heal, having faith that

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<v Speaker 2>God's going to provide the resources, Having faith that God

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<v Speaker 2>is going to solve this problem is different. Then it's

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<v Speaker 2>a totally different kind of faith from selvivific faith, the

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<v Speaker 2>faith that takes to be able to have your sins

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<v Speaker 2>forgiven and be and do.

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<v Speaker 3>You believe that every person has the ability to have

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<v Speaker 3>selvific faith.

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<v Speaker 2>So this question, why would anybody who doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual gift of faith ever go to Hell? Well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a different issue completely. It's not about the spiritual gift

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<v Speaker 2>of faith. God gives spiritual gifts, but God does not

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<v Speaker 2>force the will. And when it comes to salvation, placing

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<v Speaker 2>your faith in Christ, it's a surrender thing. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>a will issue, not a spiritual gift of I believe

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<v Speaker 2>God's going to work miracles. That's a totally different thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So what if she didn't necessarily mean the absence of

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<v Speaker 3>the spiritual gifts of faith, And what if she was

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<v Speaker 3>just referring to somebody being pre wired to not believe,

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<v Speaker 3>as somebody who is a radical skeptic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say God doesn't. So Romans Chapter one

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<v Speaker 2>tells us that God has given us the universe, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of creation points to a creator. God has given logic,

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<v Speaker 2>he's given scripture, he's given testimony and miracles. He's given

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<v Speaker 2>all these things. And God would say, listen, the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>is there, and it doesn't require some stickle move of faith.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a surrender of the will God. You're God,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not right. And that's not on God, that's

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<v Speaker 2>on the person. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, no matter how skeptical a person is, that person

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<v Speaker 3>usually when you're skeptical, you're analytical anyway, right, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>so you're you're more cerebral, and you're you know, analytic

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<v Speaker 3>and intellectual, and so you know you can reason yourself

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<v Speaker 3>to the point to where you know you're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to investigate this for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So God may wire our personalities different, but God

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<v Speaker 2>did not wire our will against him anybody's will against him.

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<v Speaker 2>And so even Ecclesiastes says that God has planted eternity

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<v Speaker 2>in the hearts of humanity, right, And so this is

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<v Speaker 2>why people are so revolted by death. When you're around

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<v Speaker 2>You go up there and you're sad, and at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time you're revolted by this idea of death. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's because we know that we were made for

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<v Speaker 2>something more. We know it, and God placed that in us.

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<v Speaker 2>And so these are two different issues. And then God's

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<v Speaker 2>plan never was for anybody to go to hell. The

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<v Speaker 2>Bible says that the hell is for the devil and

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<v Speaker 2>his angels, right, but those whose name was not found

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<v Speaker 2>written in the Lamb's book of life will also be

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<v Speaker 2>cast there. And so really it is a surrender issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Whosoever will may come. Jesus said, right, anyone whosoever calls

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<v Speaker 2>upon the name of the Lord will be saved. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's not willing that any should perish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so this is why he says in Roman's

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<v Speaker 2>ten nine, he said, you have to believe in your

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<v Speaker 2>heart and confess with your mouth. Jesus's Lord. Literally, there's

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<v Speaker 2>this surrender that I'm not the king anymore. You are

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<v Speaker 2>the king, right, And that's a different thing than just

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual gift of faith that everything's going to work out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yep, Well that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question and certainly worth talking about. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know what else is worth talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>What's Yeah, that's a good one. Hey. Some ninety one

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<v Speaker 2>is one of my favorite psalms.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop stop Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's written by anonymous. Yeah, we don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>the author is, No, we do not. Yeah. So some

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<v Speaker 2>of the songs were written by David. Some of them

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<v Speaker 2>are written by Asaff, who is David's number one worship leader. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>some are written by Moses.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel guilty because that was such a weak transition,

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<v Speaker 1>and I promised to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You want you want to do another one?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do another one?

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<v Speaker 2>Try another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll say this all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say I love I love that question because it

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<v Speaker 3>forces somebody to think about spiritual things beyond what we

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<v Speaker 3>can see, and that's exactly what our promise verse does

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<v Speaker 3>for us today.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that's good, Chris, how about that? Yep?

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<v Speaker 1>That that felt like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Had some, so we're giving mulligans on this on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you know what today we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, good, going to pick up the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a mulligan.

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<v Speaker 2>Swing it again, yes, okay, okay, yeah. Well, here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>In a Psalm ninety one, it says those who live

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<v Speaker 2>in the shelter are the most high, will find rest

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<v Speaker 2>in the shadow of the Almighty. This I declare about

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord. He alone is my refuge, my place of safety.

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<v Speaker 2>your shelter, no evil will conquer you, No plague will

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<v Speaker 2>to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you

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<v Speaker 2>and cobras, and you will crush fierce lions and serpents

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<v Speaker 2>under your feet. The Lord says, I will rescue those

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<v Speaker 2>in my name. When they call me, I will answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be with them in trouble. I will rescue

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<v Speaker 2>and honor them. I will reward them with a long

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go. I told just one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>find rest in the shadow of the Almighty. What a

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<v Speaker 2>great verse, that verse. It's one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, you're a big fan, big fan.

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<v Speaker 3>But verse eleven is the one that we're concentrating on today. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>for he will order his angels to protect you wherever

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<v Speaker 2>And where did we hear that before? Chris?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is the verse that the Devil himself quoted

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<v Speaker 3>to Jesus, that's right, for they will hold you up

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<v Speaker 3>with their hands, and so you won't even hurt your

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<v Speaker 3>So, when when Satan was tempting Gus to jump off

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<v Speaker 3>he said, hey, just do that, and then the angels

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<v Speaker 3>the promise of God. And then he quoted his verse

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<v Speaker 1>They will hold you up with.

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<v Speaker 3>Their hands so that you won't even hurt your foot

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<v Speaker 3>on a stone. Now, it's so interesting because sometimes we'll

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<v Speaker 3>we'll wonder about like whether or not that verse applies

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<v Speaker 3>to us today, right, And yet what we understand is

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<v Speaker 3>the devil knows that Jesus himself can claim that verse

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<v Speaker 3>that has written about God's protection. Right, so that will

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<v Speaker 3>protect you by sending his angels.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is something that Jesus could have banked on

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<v Speaker 1>So both Jesus and Satan knew that this verse.

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<v Speaker 3>Was written thousands of years ago, and yet was completely

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<v Speaker 3>applicable to that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure well, if you really are the son of God,

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<v Speaker 2>God's already set yeh, He'll protect you with his angels, right,

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<v Speaker 2>of his people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then if you're really a son of God,

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<v Speaker 2>surely you can muster the angels to protect you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what he's saying there. Yeah, that's amazing. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>and it says one of the functions of angels is

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<v Speaker 2>to watch over believers, like in Hebrews one fourteen. There

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<v Speaker 2>are examples of guardian angels and scriptures in one Kings

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<v Speaker 2>chapter nineteen and Daniel six Remember the Angel came and

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<v Speaker 2>protected Daniel Matthew eighteen Luke sixteen, Acts twelve, although there

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<v Speaker 2>is no indication that God assigns one angel to every believer.

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<v Speaker 2>So your little guardian angel on your shoulder, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You look about the kind of angel that I get.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you look about the kind of angel I get.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It says angels can also be God's messengers like in

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew chapter two when he shows up to Mary. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>angels are not visible except on special occasions when they

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<v Speaker 2>show up and then they make themselves visible. It says

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<v Speaker 2>we are not to worship angels or become preoccupied with them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're God's servants, actively present and at work in the

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<v Speaker 2>world in the words of Psalm one nineteen. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>Satan quoted here, Right, It's comforting to know that God

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<v Speaker 2>and his servants watch over us even in times of

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<v Speaker 2>great stress and fear, which is what David's highlighting here.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't about Jesus. It was just about God's people

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<v Speaker 2>and that God will protect God's angels, protect them God's.

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<v Speaker 1>Which which is why I think it's so fascinating that

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<v Speaker 1>Satan quo to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right, Yeah, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it is interesting this entire you know, idea

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<v Speaker 3>of angels. Again, we we've mentioned this before, but we

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<v Speaker 3>believe that there is a spiritual war. There's a spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>realm that where a battle is being taken, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's taking place all the time. I didn't say that

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<v Speaker 3>very well. There's a spiritual realm where battles are being waged,

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<v Speaker 3>waged right now, even maybe perhaps even in this room

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<v Speaker 3>right So, and we believe that God has an agenda,

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<v Speaker 3>Satan has an agenda, and we believe that there are

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<v Speaker 3>angels that are fighting on our behalf all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, we hear it in culture today.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody will come out unscathed with something and somebody say, who, man,

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<v Speaker 3>the angels are looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Out for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've had moments in my life where I've

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<v Speaker 3>had things happen where it was absolutely unexplainable. I fell

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<v Speaker 3>on the second story on a cement driveway, completely fell

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<v Speaker 3>off my ladder, landed on my back, hit my head,

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<v Speaker 3>and got up and shook myself off and walked away

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was the strangest.

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<v Speaker 2>You hit your head. Yes, it explained a lot. No,

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<v Speaker 2>But but you think that was God's angels protecting you.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't explain it otherwise. I because you know, my

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<v Speaker 3>my my friend, and my coworker and even my father

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<v Speaker 3>in law came and the ladder was still up. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it was extended all the way up, and I

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<v Speaker 1>The loft and I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was two stories high on this barn, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I leaned back because there was a wasp that fell

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<v Speaker 1>And I leaned back like this, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely went free falling and landed straight on my back

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<v Speaker 3>and that and and just and just got up and

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<v Speaker 3>didn't feel a bump on my head, didn't feel anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>How does a person do that, Jeff, I do And

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, I'm like that. And even back then,

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<v Speaker 3>I said that was a miracle of God. I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>You are invincible until God's done, until God's done with you.

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<v Speaker 3>God had a plan, I guess so, but I I

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<v Speaker 3>really can't explain how that happened. And there have been

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<v Speaker 3>other times. There have been other times where I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>But I got away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Your guardian Angel comes home and goes, who, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>rough day? You know? There? You ever you remember the

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<v Speaker 2>remember that than Clarence, Remember the what was it? The

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah Barbara cartoons, like the Looney Tunes, Remember when the

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<v Speaker 2>the sheep dogs are checking out, punching out the other.

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<v Speaker 1>More than rough exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just imagine your angel crossing, you know, punching out,

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<v Speaker 2>the next one's punching in. Going there's a rough day

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<v Speaker 2>to day. This calm fell off. He had a wasp

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<v Speaker 2>flying around his that he fell off the thing, landing

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<v Speaker 2>on his back. I could barely catch him and keep

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I've had I've had things like that happen,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have no other conclusion other than I have

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<v Speaker 3>to believe there's an angel. And I told you already

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<v Speaker 3>had an angel experience. I believe there was an angel experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that God talked me about it, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a crazy story. And so yeah, I actually, really truly

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<v Speaker 3>there is nothing that could happen in this world, seriously nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, God forbid that a tragedy come my way,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, and the worst things happen in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>They do, I think I will go to the grave

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<v Speaker 3>and nothing can convince me that God is not real

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<v Speaker 3>and that angels are real because of my experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. Yeah, and then I love the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's the heel order as angels protect you, and

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<v Speaker 2>so God's paying attention. And then God's leveraging is his

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<v Speaker 2>resources to be able to do whatever needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>done to hold you up with their hands, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>you won't even hurt a foot on your stone. But

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<v Speaker 2>then fourteen through sixteen, the Lord says, I will rescue

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<v Speaker 2>those who love me. So as promises are not just generic,

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<v Speaker 2>they're conditional. Right, I will rescue those who love me.

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<v Speaker 2>I will protect those who trust in my name. And

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<v Speaker 2>we know that Jesus name is above every name. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so when they call on me, I will answer. I

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<v Speaker 2>will be with them in trouble. I will rescue and

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<v Speaker 2>honor them. I will reward them with a long life

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<v Speaker 2>and give them my salvation. Who just anybody know those

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<v Speaker 2>who love me and trust in my name. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>also will be with us in trouble. He'll also hear

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<v Speaker 2>us when we call. He'll also rescue and honor us.

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<v Speaker 2>He also says, I'll give you a long life and

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<v Speaker 2>give them my salvation. And so, really, what more could

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<v Speaker 2>we do that would have a greater benefit in our

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<v Speaker 2>life than to place all of our trust in him? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>to learn to really love God and loving God. Real

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<v Speaker 2>love is not based on what you can get from

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<v Speaker 2>the other person. Right. Real love always drives us to action.

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<v Speaker 2>It always drives us to giving, So what can I

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<v Speaker 2>give to God? Really, you don't have anything to give

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<v Speaker 2>to God except you. And I was invited to write

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<v Speaker 2>a devotional along with some other Christian leaders on Jesus command,

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<v Speaker 2>love the Lord your God with all your heart, all

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<v Speaker 2>your soul, and all your mind. Right. It almost feels

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<v Speaker 2>repetitive heart, soul, mind, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I realized was the other Gospel says strength to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, the dude round me does. But in Luke

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<v Speaker 2>chapter two, Luke chapter or Matthew twenty two says heart, soul,

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<v Speaker 2>and mind. And I thought it was really interesting. The

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<v Speaker 2>heart is really all about what we want, right, That's

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<v Speaker 2>really it. It's our feelings, It's our desire.

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<v Speaker 1>On the seat of emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>Our mind on the other end of this is all

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<v Speaker 2>about our will and our intellect and our doubts, our thoughts. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But the soul is who I am. It's the essence.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no heart without my soul. I have no

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<v Speaker 2>mind without my soul. So it's interesting. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this before a lot of times. The way Jesus would

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<v Speaker 2>talk or Paul would talk, the most important thing is

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle, and then everything else is about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And the most important thing is the essence of who

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<v Speaker 2>you are. Jesus is saying you need to love God

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<v Speaker 2>with everything that you are, which includes all of your

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<v Speaker 2>appetites and your desires and your emotions. And it also

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<v Speaker 2>includes all of your will and your attitude, and your

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<v Speaker 2>your your decisions and your intellect. Right, it's all of

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<v Speaker 2>who you are. And this is what he's saying that

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<v Speaker 2>I will rescue those who love me. I will protect

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<v Speaker 2>those who trust my name. The love is the emotional side.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust is more logical. Right, Either I trust you, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't trust you. So somebody say, oh, just run ahead, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, nope, I'm gonna does that? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hold me? Is that going to hold me? Trust

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<v Speaker 2>is more logical and love is more emotional. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want both sides of your soul, right, I want

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of who you are. And if you give

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<v Speaker 2>me all of who you are, I'll hear you when

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<v Speaker 2>you call, I'll be with you in trouble. I'll rescue you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll honor you. I'll give you a long life. I

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<v Speaker 2>give you my salvation. It seems like a pretty good trade. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>give me, give God all of who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great application as well, because a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, maybe struggle with one or the other. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like we were just saying, hey, I have

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<v Speaker 3>no problem with giving God what I want. I just

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just you know, I use my mind to rationalize

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<v Speaker 3>things away. Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no problem intellectually accepting what the truth is. However,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want what I want, you know, So maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's a great application.

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<v Speaker 2>Just afraid it's really scary or right, the emotion side

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<v Speaker 2>is taking over?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So where do we struggle? Where

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<v Speaker 1>do you struggle?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you struggle emotionally with what you want or what

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<v Speaker 3>you feel, or do you struggle with more of the

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<v Speaker 3>skeptical party.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm such a good Christian. I've got both

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<v Speaker 2>of these nailed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now ye, there is nothing else to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think I go back and forth between

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<v Speaker 2>the two. Yeah, I'm a pretty logical person.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of us do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there are times when when life seems a

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<v Speaker 2>little overwhelming, and then at that point, you know, fear

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<v Speaker 2>can cause you to make some bad choices. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's probably the side I would lean on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think a lot of us, I think

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<v Speaker 1>me included.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the more you go through life and the

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<v Speaker 3>more banged up you get, the more emotional, the more

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<v Speaker 3>the more the emotional side gets fragile. Yeah, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>definitely experienced that, So I wasn't this, you know, fragile emotionally,

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<v Speaker 3>I think before I got banged up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>So but hey, that looks like our time. So hey,

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<v Speaker 3>what a great verse and what a great chapter. So

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<v Speaker 3>we will go ahead and hopefully see you tomorrow on

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible gas

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<v Speaker 2>Hm hm