You never say never No. Or ever

I don't well, I

or always.

I don't never say never. I don't like to say never or always or

Why? What is that about?

I don't like I don't like speaking in absolutes, and I don't like it when other people speak in absolutes because none of us freaking knows. And to pretend we do is pretending, and I don't like it.

Does it also feel restricting?

I don't like to be restricted. You know that. But I don't think that's why.

Or put in a box.

Nope. Don't like that either. Welcome back to the manual transmission.

Don't take my line.

Okay. You do it

then. Welcome back to the manual transmission. We're Brad and Monica Manuel, partners in marriage, business, family, and major plumbing problems.

Yeah. That that

Alright. So when did you know this about yourself? When did you recognize that you took a lot of things

initially processes it. Literally. And then it has to reprocess if what I just processed doesn't make sense with the intentional thought that maybe it's sarcastic.

So do you know when you started to, like, realize that in your life? At what age?

Probably just enough times of, like, being the last one to get the joke, which is kind of funny because I'm a super sarcastic person.

You're very sarcastic.

I don't know. But that but I already know that's what I'm doing when I say it. I mean, the when you're going to Catholic school as a little kid, it starts in kindergarten. You're working your way through the sacraments. So you're studying religious texts and traditions, and I've always just taken them very literally.

Oh, it has to be nurture. I mean, nature, not nurture. Because I'll tell you when I first like, one of the early memories that stand out to me as well, there's two. Okay. So kindergarten

Now we're getting there.

First communion. This is the body and blood of Christ. I was like, what? When they give you communion? Like, you really transform that into the skin, the flesh, and the blood of Christ?

Ew. And my little brain's like, And then probably about the same time, I learned that I had taken very literally, like, lay awake at night trying straining to hear the Easter bunny or Santa Claus coming into our house to leave presents. And then when I found out that they had been lying, I was so angry that I never told my kids those things were real.

How old were you when you found out?

I don't know. Maybe nine or 10. So it wasn't kindergarten. But I was pretty young. No.

It had to have been yeah. I guess it right around there. I was so, like, disappointed. I was so angry.

How often do we say that is?

That I won't be like my parents. I think everybody does that. Mhmm. Yeah. How about you?

Do you just I think you just process sarcasm first.

Pretty much. Yeah. It's my default switch.

Just so everybody knows, I don't get to edit these things in post. Brad does. So he gets to decide what stays and what goes and what order they appear. So I'm this is like a trust fall exercise for me, not being in control and just leaving you with full editing control. It's a good thing I trust you.

Although there's been some moments where I'm like, oh, to be fair, you let me listen before you post and ask me if I have any feedback, and you usually take my feedback. So I appreciate that.

Usually.

But there's been a couple times where and I've let some of it slide, so some of it's made it through. I didn't, like, die on that hill asking you to take it out.

Like, there's scratches? Stuff

leave in there. Yes. That's a great example.

I think we ought to just keep track of your record scratches. We will start a tally. So we are currently at

two misarrangement.

And and I would say that they're probably

left in.

Well, exactly. So we will only count the ones that seem appropriate for record keeping.

See, this is where we disagree.

You think so?

Yeah. So this week's vinyl is the who. Who's next?

I just played you Baba O'Reilly.

We listened to the whole thing the while I was cooking Thanksgiving dinner. Well, a couple of the dishes. So I might have been a little distracted. The album is it's a pretty iconic album. It's widely considered one of the greatest rock albums ever recorded.

It sits on the Rolling Stones list of 500 greatest albums of all time, ranked number 77.

It was really cool to watch that interview with Peter Townsend and Stephen Colbert. He just I watched it on YouTube. I didn't watch it on TV, so it was the full I'm surprised there's, a twenty two minute interview. They aren't usually that long. Colbert just said, like, look.

We're just gonna keep going. We're way over time, but we'll put the whole thing up on the Internet. More people watch it that way anyway, which I thought was interesting.

But they became famous for songs like My Generation and Pete Townsend's regular smashing of of guitars on stage.

Yeah. He talked about the first time he ever he didn't mean to, but the first time he ever smashed a guitar, he he wasn't that bothered by it because he figured the bound the band would just be something that lasted for a couple weeks, maybe a couple months, and then he'd go back to being an art student.

Yeah. And then in New York, they were playing four to five shows a day. He would smash a guitar and in between performances, glue it back together.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Did he talk about that in the interview? Uh-huh. Oh, I guess I missed that part.

Yeah. I think this week gave us

Well, did give

us It's a mix. Right? We had gifted courtside seats. We had club level hockey. We had a Russian dissident.

Talk with a Russian dissident. We had two Thanksgivings, another dumpster, and the most expensive tree roots in Christian County. This is a very full week. Between the remodel and the sewer pipe collapse, I'm practicing letting go, which is really just me giving up, but with a bit of an attitude. Okay.

This morning was chaos.

Let's go into high low. You wanna do high low?

Let's do high low.

I know what your low is this week.

Did I already talk to you about that?

The sewer line.

Oh, yeah. Well, that was definitely a low point.

Okay. That's not what you were gonna say.

No. Although, it seems like it should have been, upon further reflection, now that you mention it. I guess for the audience, we found out this week that the sewer line broke between the house and the street, and so it's both expensive and not covered by homeowners insurance. So that's great.

I hate plumbing issues. I

know you do.

It is the bane Yeah. Of my

Well, let's

So what were you gonna say?

Well, I was just thinking about how grimy I was yesterday, and working with that n 95 mask on and the safety glasses that I had dust and sweat in my eyes, and it was hard to breathe through the mask while I was just hauling stuff out to the dumpster. And I couldn't see through the glasses because they were, like, steamed up and sweaty. But it wasn't all bad. I I actually really love working hard like that and how sore my muscles are today, which tells me I was really productive. It was just fun to turn up the music and do some manual labor with you yesterday.

Manual labor. Real manual labor.

Two of them. Oh, what was your low?

Have we talked about the sewer line yet?

I just explained it.

I'm just kidding. Joking. It's was like, Monica, literal No. Literal Oh,

Uh-huh. My brain was

That's like funny.

See? You're testing it. I

told That was an ultimate Are

you kidding?

Yes, Monica. The sewer line was That my

makes sense as a low. You're right.

I think we've gotten to the point where we realize that this is part of homeownership. It's what we signed up for. And there's not much we can do about it except just roll with it. Yeah. Take care of it.

Do what's right. We have a plan for what's next.

What was your high?

There were quite a few highs.

Yeah. We actually had a really good week. It was just full.

We had on Monday night, we got to go to our first NHL game.

Oh, yeah. The Mammoth versus and and a heck of a NHL game. The biggest nights there, like, a really great team, and we won.

Great seats right behind the bench.

The minute the action started on the ice, it's so fast, and they are so skilled. I was just enjoying watching their craft.

It is hard to watch. I mean, I'm sure

You have to really focus.

Imagine being a ref on the ice. Oh. All your your job is just to follow that puck around and and be aware of your surroundings with all these guys coming around you.

I could have been projecting, but I was watching the ref who drops the puck between the two ready to just attack. He seemed nervous. I would be. Would be. Like, dangerous.

Those sticks are flying, man.

And it seems like those refs don't have enough protection out there. Honestly, I thought that the hockey players didn't have enough protection, like, on their faces. Their helmets don't really

I didn't think we had enough protection in our seats where we were.

Well, they the lady said that just last week of, like, a kid in the row right in front of us had caught a puck to the face. So But I'm not about it is fun to watch.

We did. Five to one. Was great. And we had great seats.

We did. I could you know what's crazy? You pointed it out when it was happening. Right before the game was about to start, the trainer, we were sitting right behind the Vegas Knights, he starts tossing these little things to all of players, and you said, are those? They're smelling salts.

They all broke open smelling salts and started getting all hyped up. That doesn't seem healthy.

I'm I'm first, like, going, that's pretty talented to be able to flick whatever he flicked across those guys right into that other guy's hand. So I'm impressed about that. And then I see him break it open, and he starts waving the unders

several of them.

Oh, yeah.

No wonder they get out on the ice and fight. They're all amped up. Okay. So the hockey game was your

high year? Well, I was just saying that was one. Well, we had Thanksgiving.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was my high, I think.

We had two Thanksgivings.

You know, when your kids get older and get married and your siblings have spouses, like, we have different it's like this rotating dinner schedule, and not everybody's there. We're trying to align so that we can have every other year have everybody in one place, but everything's a little off right now between the two generations and well, actually four generations, but

lots of people traveling.

Lots of travel right now. Anyway, so we had we had a small ad hoc Wednesday night, and then a bigger Thursday, but with different pieces of the family at each, and

I just like the slowness of the holiday. Yeah. You get an extra long weekend, and that is definitely a high. And with this week, especially with as much as we packed in because on Wednesday night, you went to the Wasatch Speaker No,

Tuesday night.

Or Tuesday night.

Yeah. Wasatch Speaker Series.

That's right.

With Vladimir Kara Mirza.

Kara Mirza.

Yeah. He's a Russian dissident. Although, I like the way he explained it. He talked in the q and a section, somebody asked him about being a Russian dissident. He goes, you know, I hear myself described that way, and I guess technically it is true, but I started out at ten.

He knew what he wanted to do. And and has just since then, his whole entire life, like, studied. He's a historian by training, and he's involved in politics. But because of the way his country has gone, he went from just being civically engaged in politics to being classified a dissident because his because Vladimir Putin, as he describes him as a usurper and, like a fraudulent leader, not a rightful president of their country and a dictator, has eliminated all opposition. So they don't even have opposition races anymore.

And if you're not of Vladimir Putin's party, you are considered a dissident. But he's like, I didn't set out to be a dissident. I was just being politically engaged in my country. So I think, you know, not to get too heavy, but I had said to our friends as we were walking in, hey, I feel like after we get out of here, I'm probably gonna laugh at my own problems a little bit because they're not gonna seem, like, worthy of being called problems compared to what, you know, other people dealt with, and that was true. He for just for being not on board with Putin's regime, he was they tried to poison him twice.

He got, he got arrested and thrown in the gulag, in Siberia in in isolation, in a small concrete cell. He got to he got ninety minutes a day to write was his mental stimulation, and he got I think that was, like, an hour. They got, moved into a slightly larger cell to walk around with their physical activity. And the rest of the time he sat there by himself. He thought he was gonna die there.

But then in the prisoner exchange just last year, this last August, The US and Germany and The UK and western nations negotiated a big prisoner swap. They gave back eight prisoners, and 16 prisoners got released out of the gulag, and he was one of them. But listening to him just describe what he went through and what others he really he he wasn't really making it about him. He shared a little bit about what he went through, but he was going down the list of friends and colleagues and people who whose steps he's followed in who've been killed and imprisoned, people who are still imprisoned, just for having different ideas and voicing those those different ideas. And I think it's really important that we not take for granted the fact that we still have the right in our country to speak out and to speak truth to power.

And it's important whatever side of the political spectrum you fall, the shared value, hopefully, we all have is freedom and freedom of speech and the right to disagree and stand up for what we believe in without having the people who we gave power to use that power to oppress and silence us.

Seems like an appropriate experience to have on this week of all weeks, Thanksgiving.

So Monday night was a hockey game. Tuesday night was academic discussion with a Russian dissident. Wednesday night was Family. A Thanksgiving. Yeah.

Thursday was part b Thanksgiving, and then Friday was a jazz game.

And we got a dumpster. More than half the day, we spent demoing.

Yeah.

Tearing out walls, breaking tile.

But the dump dumpster didn't arrive until a little bit later in the day, so we had a pile of it by the time I got here. And I clocked it because I turned my exercise thing on, my watch, and just for a while I was hauling stuff out there, it was a hundred minutes of just back and forth to the dumpster. Burned 700 calories. Think it was like was 90

a it was a good workout. Mhmm. We still have some

That was after swinging the sledgehammer all day.

Yeah. And we gotta go do it again.

Yep. Right after this.

Right after this. So this is like our break

in between. We yeah. We might draw this out a little bit Mhmm. Because there's hard work on the other side of this. Okay.

So what was your high?

I did really enjoy the game last night for the for the jazz game. Really cool suite with great food, big, huge, massive TV, and lounge area and all yeah. Just very comfortable. And you walk right outside to your actual seats.

You know what I think I liked the most about that, that I think could be a contender for your high. In both of those cases, what made the experience new and different for me in attending I'm not a I mean, I I like sports just fine, but I've just not classically been a huge sports fan, other than, like, going and watching our kids play

for

thousands of games. But what I what was different about those two experiences in particular that I thought was so interesting and is really more of an anthropological fascination to me, but just being close enough to watch the interactions between the players and their coaches or the or each other. So, like, the point guard for the Jazz, Keonte George.

Keonte George.

Watching him with his coach and their relationship or watching one of their really tall players, not

Not Usuf.

No. Not Usuf.

Filipowski?

Filipowski. Yep. Watching him get corrected, but then his coach, like, reassure him and watching and then also watching them go and, like, seek clarification from the referees and how they I don't know. I just I always thought it was really interesting to watch them do their thing. And we also watched them practice before the game.

And so Isaac Collier. Isaac Collier. Isaiah. Isaiah, that's right. Isaiah Collier before the game started he didn't seem very focused.

He seemed like he was kind of just goofing off and wasn't hitting his baskets and we're like but then he actually really but he brought that jovial play to the game and was focused and he did really well. And then, what was the other? Sebas Sensibaugh. Sensibaugh. Man, he's just like low key, but he was on fire.

It was fun to watch them, how they practiced, how they warmed up, how they interacted on the side, and how they performed. It was just neat to watch. I enjoyed that part of it. And I think you have to be close enough to see that, unfortunately.

Exactly. As you were describing that, I think that's why I really enjoyed the game. When you can be that close and you can watch the players, I mean, early in the game, I saw Sensibaugh, and I even had mentioned to you, he he missed an opportunity. And I could I it's like you watch them pause in a moment on the court, and you can see them contemplating this missed opportunity. And it's a distraction in the moment professionally.

They know it. But to your point, it's like, it didn't take much. He just needed to get the ball in his hand one more time and make a shot to have that confidence to then just start attacking. He would just attack the rim, but he was just relentless once he once he found that confidence.

Well, in that, I mean, we've talked about this in so many other arenas. It's fun to watch it in this one, but resilience. It's, you know, if you miss, you know, like there were so many opportunities where, like in that one where Sensibom missed an opportunity or the ball got stolen from one of them or they got a foul called and they disagreed with it, you watch them make the mental intentional shift to not let that bad experience carry into the next experience. They have to leave that behind, take whatever lessons from it they need, and then reengage in a new opportunity so that they don't then have, you know, that splash over into the next one. And you watch them turn the momentum from a bad experience to a good experience and get back in the game.

It's just you watch it in real time. That was so fun to just, I don't know, follow it as it happened.

So how impactful is remember you made the comment?

Pregame?

You talked about how one you said if I had to make a decision on which team was gonna win by their warm ups.

Yeah. You're right. And I I so I did. I made the comment. If I had to decide just solely based on having watched both teams practice who was gonna win, it would be the Kings that would win.

And I was wrong. Because the kings were and it's so interesting because the reason I thought I would be right, they like, what's his name? Levine? He was so on and professional and, like, clean and crisp and hitting all shots. And whereas the jazz players weren't.

They were they were just goofing off as a team. And so, I mean, it's one game. Who knows? Anybody can show up and have a a good game or a bad game. But just in that one view, you had the Kings on one one side of the court who were very they appeared to be very disciplined and very focused in their in their pregame.

Whereas the Jazz seemed a little messy and not very focused, but were really but their chemistry among their team was different. That really showed up in the game. They just played together. They read each other. They their communication that's the thing.

There was way less communication amongst the team coming from the Kings than there was from the Jazz. They were just they were talking to each other. They were laughing. They were joking. They were every every time they would pause or wanna go on the court or come off the court, they made a point of going and, you know, acknowledging each other and giving each other five and building each other up.

The chemistry was really fun to watch. And you see the the Kings were like they were all about discipline and focus in their warm up, which nothing wrong with that, but I didn't see much chemistry. The Jazz, not a lot of discipline and focus, but I mean, was certainly some but less by comparison. But to them it seemed like it was get loose, get warm, get your headspace right, get ready to play. Forget that it's play.

I think probably the takeaway I had for this week is so many things can be true at one time.

And

we can hold space for wildly different experiences and emotions all in the space of one week. I mean, we're dealing still with the realities of navigating as a family, a core one of our member dealing with a terminal diagnosis and everything that goes into that. Talking, you know, hearing from this, you know, exiled Russian dissident, and, you know, who has kids and a wife, and, you know, he just his heart breaks for his country, and he's looking forward to the day he can go back and help make his country better. But in the meantime, he's, you know, exiled here because his president tried to kill him and imprisoned him for disagreeing. I mean, that's crazy.

And then to the to the, like, privileged experiences we had courtside for basketball and hockey this week to watch these people at the peak of their game compete and just to get get to experience it in really luxury, to the time with our family and, to making the decision once again to put ourselves in a self inflicted position where we're, my logic is it doesn't really take skill to demolish things. So I don't want to pay a skilled craftsman to come in and do the demo work. So you and I are doing it.

It does cost, though.

It costs. I mean, I have a massive bruise on my arm. All my muscles hurt. I got knocked in the head. So did you.

Drooped blood within ten minutes of

Which cost are you referring to?

I was referring to, like, snipping an electrical

Oh, there's that.

That I don't know where it's connected Fix to. Half the house is out

that. I literally was holding the board while you had the sawzall next to a live wire. I was saying, this is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. We shouldn't be doing this.

And then you hit the wire.

It was a bad idea.

It was a bad idea. But, like, you know, we're having fun with it.

All I know is that if you want to be a millionaire No. This is For so all you kids out there that are listening and you are looking for a career in life, with everything that's going on with technology and AI, I'm gonna strongly recommend that you become a plumber or an electrician because those are wealth building careers.

I started doing the math on on their like, that meant. They were making per hour. Was pretty blown away.

Mhmm.

Well, and it's not just that they're doing just, you know, hourly service, but, like, the the young electrician in his company that we hired.

Cool Hand Luke.

Yeah. He did a great job. I more power to him, but, yeah, they're they've got something figured out. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't know if that's what good advice you just gave or not, but I think they have job security is what you're trying to say.

That's what I'm saying. If you're struggling to figure out a direction, then

Learn a trade.

Learn a trade.

Yeah. Okay. So you asked me that question, and I just basically said a whole bunch of things can be true at once. What what was your takeaway from that?

This week? Yeah. I mean, we can fit a lot in a week.

It was kind of a broad spectrum of experiences, but what was your, I guess, takeaway?

It was the first week in a long while that you had not been traveling. So to have all this stuff thrown into the week is that we can handle more than than what we plan, than what we intend. I'm really looking forward to the holidays to slow down even more.

I thought for a minute there that the way you were going is that you're gonna say that when I'm home and I'm not traveling, your life gets crazy. Okay. That is what you were thinking. Okay. I have a question for you.

When we were engaged, which wasn't for very long, we were only engaged for four months Mhmm. Before we got married.

Mhmm.

But while we were engaged, actually even before we got engaged, we were just hanging out as friends, all the way back from when we first met each other Long

time ago.

When we were hanging out, you would always, a song would come on the radio and you would quiz me.

Yep.

Who is this?

Mhmm.

We've been playing that game for, twenty nine years.

Yep.

I'm not very good at it still.

You're much better than you were.

I have improved. Mhmm. I'm still not very good at it. You are like rain man when it comes to your ability to remember who sung what, which is remarkable. But you've always been very, you've had good taste, I think, in music and been very into listening to music.

I didn't have that background because I was not allowed to listen to music growing up that wasn't I I wasn't allowed to listen to, quote, unquote, secular music. I grew up in a very religious household, so I didn't have a lot of this context and background. But my question is, how if if it has, how do you think your taste in music has changed since we met?

Well, my taste in music before we met was very much classic rock and country.

Uh-huh.

I was I was raised on country. My parents always played country, and it wasn't until high school that I got into classic rock. From high school all the way up until the time I met you, I was pretty immersed in classic rock.

Lots of concerts. Right?

Lot oh, yeah. Country concerts. Yeah. Country concerts and and classic rock concerts. All the oldies, Pink Floyd, the Eagles, Tom Petty, the Doobie Brothers, and then country, George Strait, Clint Black, Randy Travis, the Judd's Farewell Tour.

Oh my.

Alabama was my first concert ever. All that to say, my musical tastes have probably opened up some, but I think I'm just naturally curious. So I'll number one, I love reggae. I'll have Bob Marley on in the background all day every day.

I like Bob Marley a lot as well, but you go a little too hard on the reggae sometimes. Like stick figure, I've had enough. Can we switch it up? Because you

I can't understand why anybody wouldn't wanna just listen to Rick it all the like

it, but you wanna listen to it all the time. And I'm

It puts me in an island vibe.

I know. That's why you like it.

And that's why you don't

like it. It's

liking it?

No. It just, you know, I'd like a little bit of variety sometimes too. Okay. So so you've gone from country and classic rock Yep. To a little more open.

Are there ways where we are just living on different planets? I stuff you just don't like.

I was wondering if I had my own top 25 list, what would that look like? And so I asked my chat GBT to give me what it thinks would be my top 25 album list.

Oh, asked it what it thinks based on what you like.

I didn't say based on what I like. I just said, give me a top 25 album list of all time. It gave me my list. I sent it to you, but I wanted you to do the same with your chat, GPT, to be able to not, like, pollute your list with my songs, but see what it, you know, what it actually suggested to you. And you did it, and it came back, and there was there's some a lot of crossover, but there were some obvious differences as well.

So we should we just rapid fire, go back and forth and say what they are from 25 to one?

You wanna do from 25?

Let's do top 10.

Top 10.

What's your number 10?

My my number 10, and it is on every top 25 list I look at today. Apple Music has a top 25. This is actually number one on their top 25 list. And that is Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, 1998.

That's my number 10.

It is? Yeah. Okay. We'll be getting that album soon.

That's interesting.

What's your number nine?

Marvin Gaye.

Oh, know what?

What's going on? Are you looking at my list? Oh my goodness.

Okay. Well, hang on. I wanna see oh, perfect. Okay. Back to number 10.

What's your now you're on your list.

My number 10 is Nirvana, Nevermind, 1991.

Let's see if that's in my top it's number eight for me.

Eight? Yep. Okay. Cool. Number nine, Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill.

Okay. That's my number 10.

Okay.

Number nine for me is Marvin Gaye, What's Going On?

Okay. I know that's on my list. I just gotta find it. Okay. Number eight.

But Nirvana. Never mind.

Okay. So we're we're aligning. My number eight is Bob Dylan Highway 61 Revisited.

That's my number seven.

Oh, jeez. And my number seven is Prince Purple Rain.

Oh, that's my number five. By the way, there's a Paisley Park re live remix of Purple Rain by Prince that just goes on and on and on and on.

Is that good?

It's kinda like when we try to end this podcast. Wow.

Okay. Now my number six is The Beatles, Abbey Road.

Wow. Abbey Road did not even make the top 25 on this. My number six is Rumors by Fleetwood Mac.

Okay. That's my number three. My number five is Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Mine's Purple Rain by Prince.

And my number four? What's your number four?

Dark Side of the Moon.

Woah. Mine is Michael Jackson, Thriller.

Oh, that's my number two.

And my number three is Fleetwood Mac Rumors.

Oh, okay. Mine's Stevie Wonder, Songs in the Key of Life.

My number two, Marvin Gaye, What's Going On.

Ah, okay. What's your number one?

I think it's the same. The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely

That's Hearts Club funny. What was number 25 for you?

Number 25 was Eagles Hotel California. And then Adele, 21, at number 24.

Oh, yeah.

I've got doctor Dre, the chronic on there.

My those last three you just said are not even on my top 25. That's crazy.

Do you have Beyonce Lemonade? See, I've also got Kendrick Lamar to pimp a butterfly.

Yeah. There's something weird going on on

his I've got it. I just got the album, and I'm

trying to album. Dude, I you can't sing along with that album.

That is not a sing along album.

That was also playing while I was cooking Yep. On Thanksgiving, and that will get your attention.

Yeah.

Especially because, we had a kid in the house.

There are some lyrics in there.

Hey, by the way, one thing that's on here that I think definitely belongs in my top 25.

What's that?

Amy Winehouse, Back to Black.

Okay.

She's so good. I mean, was.

We'll have to get that album.

I like that one.

Okay. So that's our, we're seeking, we're gonna refine our top 25 album.

Yeah. I think

because I think some things on here we're gonna listen to are gonna be like, there's something I wrong

have not really, again, I talked about how I haven't been as cultured musically, but it's all been one song at a time. It's only recently that we've been listening to whole albums, and that's different

It is.

When you listen to a whole album, and you just commit to putting the record on the table and then turning it over, or some of them are two records. So I think my my answer is way still out. The jury's out.

I agree. For me, I think part of the reason why I'm as you call it, I have Rain Man tendencies with music is because in our house of four guys, we had a library of CDs of every possible band album you could think, and we would listen to it the from from start to finish.

And have that physical you have the album cover art. You have the physical album. You're intentionally putting it on. So there's attention being paid, and it just it sticks with you. I don't know.

I'm a visual learner. So if I've seen, like, Fleetwood Mac rumors album cover, it's with me now. I've listened to the whole thing cover to cover multiple times. Now if one of those songs comes on, I'll know exactly who it is.

Right.

Probably similar with most of the Eagles albums. Most of Tom Petty, most of CCR. Not not so much CCR, probably. John Cougar Mellencamp, probably. Anyway.

So would you say our taste in music is pretty much the same? Close?

I think it's pretty similar. I think that good, bad, or indifferent, you have been influenced by my

taste. I think that's probably true.

So we had a Russian dissident. We had a hockey game. We had a jazz game. We did have therapy this week.

We did.

We had an a very expensive plot twist with a sewer.

Trade schools. The real wealth builders. Right.

And then our top 25, I think that we'll have some negotiating. I mean, we're looking for our list, then maybe

Oh, if it's trying to decide what

we negotiation want. Going on.

On a shared top 25. Yeah. There might be some healthy conflict in there. Good, healthy, rigorous debate, potentially.

Yeah. We'll be alright with that. Yeah. Okay. So if you're staring down your own version of a busted sewer line or a messy week?

Same. We're right there with you. Showing up. Sometimes tired, sometimes invigorated, but figuring it out in real time still counts.

It does. You don't need everything to be perfect to start something meaningful.

Yeah. If you try one brave thing this week, ask a hard question, have a real conversation, make your own top 25, whatever it is, go get it.

Yeah. May your coffee be strong and your conversation stronger because I know you don't like to say that. Kitchy little love. I mean, I did too.

This is the manual transmission, and we will see you next Sunday.

This is the manual transmission. See you next Sunday.

Why are you just parodying me?

It's right there. You said my line.

Okay. May your coffee be let's switch it around. Okay. Maybe okay. Let's try this way.

May your coffee be strong.

And your conversations stronger.

Yeah. That's weird. Stronger. Stop it. I don't like it.

Stronger. Okay. I'm Groot.