Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who
see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care.
I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.
I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people.
So come and join us for today's conversation.
Anke: Hello and welcome Nora.
I'm delighted to have you here with me.
Nora: Hi Anki.
I'm delighted to be here.
Anke: Wonderful.
So let people know where in this lovely world you are, 'cause you
are nine hours behind where I am.
And what's your business with dogs?
Nora: Yes, I am.
I'm in, uh, I'm on the west coast of the us.
I'm in Washington state, sort of inland a couple hundred miles inland
from the ocean, um, in the northwest.
Um, and my business with dogs started out in 1997 when I started my own dog.
Care business, and it was mostly playgroups where I would take large
groups of dogs out, where they could be off leash, um, for a couple hours, and
then I would take 'em all back home.
And the, the business was.
Very highly valued by all of the business professionals that were populating.
The town where I was living at the time.
It was building, and building and building.
Now Amazon and Microsoft are there, and it's full of those kind of people who
have to leave their dogs at home all day.
So, um.
I've since retired from that, but I had about 20 years before that started
learning about human nutrition and that the effect that human nutrition
has on our health, our feelings, our psychology, the effect that food
has on all parts of our being, and I was seeing dogs being fed this.
Commercial garbage that was having the same effect on
them that junk food has on us.
And so I started, um, gathering information for my customers and
I made a little, it was probably about a 10 page handout initially.
Just trying to teach people what I had learned because I just dove
in with both feet and, 'cause I wanted to feed my dog properly.
I wanted to make my dog, um, live as long as he possibly could, and
it eventually became this book.
Computational mono feeding and we call it RMF, uh, for short.
And, uh, about, um, 15, 16 years ago, I started my website with basically
the outline of that book on it.
And, um.
It didn't really do much until, I mean, I, I would get book sales now and then and,
um, then I started a Facebook group in, I was a Facebook holdout for many years.
I didn't want any part of it.
Uh, but I started a dog feeding group in 2018, I believe, and it
really kickstarted my business.
I hadn't used.
Social media much up until that point.
And, um, so now I have a YouTube channel.
I have a couple of, uh, Facebook groups and I teach people the
very simple basic principles that.
Pretty much govern all life on earth, and they are applicable to all
species, humans, and dogs included.
We might have a different range of foods and conditions that we thrive
in that are different from what dogs thrive in, but the same principles.
Um, guide or govern us because if we don't stay within those ranges, we get sick.
Disease is the natural, predictable outcome of our failure to fulfill
our biological needs, and that's what people don't understand.
Disease is not something that you're born with.
It's not something that floats around in the air.
It's not something that you are destined to suffer.
It's not something that naturally happens as you age.
No, no, no.
That's not.
Aging.
That's degeneration.
That is, that is disease.
So many people confuse aging and degeneration.
But what we see when we see people in their eighties who aren't able to function
properly, that's disease that's not aging because aging happens much slower.
And it's the same with dogs.
Dogs begin to show their age in midlife, which is seven or
eight, and you know, typically.
That's when they start to develop problems and just like.
We humans in our twenties when we can eat whatever we want, we can eat the
junk as it rolls out of the factory and we don't, we still function properly.
Ever seen.
Everything seems to work.
It's just like that with dogs and that's how they do fine on kibble and canned
garbage through their midlife years.
Typically, it's, it's getting to be that.
Dogs are encounter, encountering chronic disease earlier in life.
And, and that's, that's getting to be a huge problem.
We have cancer in two, 3-year-old dogs.
It's crazy.
Oh, that's, that's crazy.
Anke: Jesus.
I could not agree.
I'm so glad you're here, you know, because I definitely, um, yeah.
I've had my own experience with my very first dog where he wasn't doing well
on the stuff that the vet said it was.
I was to feed him exclusively.
The kibble that he sold.
Right.
Funny that, but um, so I really early on came, came across a book where the
one key takeaway was Read the labels.
Right.
Don't look at what it says on the front.
So now you said something that really sparked my curiosity and that's the
universal principle for all beings.
Like, can you just unpack that a little bit?
Like what are the things that are common for.
For all of us, regardless of how many legs we've got.
Nora: Yeah, that's a great question because there, I, I follow this full,
this general body of knowledge called natural hygiene and it lists or elucidates
like, I think there are 20 or 30 I.
Principles of life, and right up there in the top is every species
has a range of foods that they're biologically adapted to thrive on, and
that's different for every species.
It's not black and white.
There's a little crossover.
If something is called a carnivore, it doesn't necessarily mean they're not
going to eat, you know, plant foods.
If something is called an herbivore, it doesn't necessarily mean.
Mean they will never eat an animal derived food.
But that's the basic idea.
And um, some of the other principles that govern life are fresh air,
fresh water, psychological security.
And that's gonna be different for us than it is for dogs.
What does it take for dogs to feel psychologically secure?
Well, there's lots of prey out there for them to catch right?
I could care less about prey, right?
I don't care about prey.
I wanna know that there's fruit on the tree in my backyard or
in my refrigerator or whatever.
That's my priority.
So that gives me psychological security for me, not thinking
about bombs falling on my head.
That's great for having, you know, good psychological, you
know, security that helps.
But dogs couldn't care less about that.
So that's different.
But it's still the general category of psychological security is.
Important for us as it is for dogs, um, for us, meaningful
work for dogs, being able to, um, express their natural inclinations
and urges, whatever those are.
Um, being out in the sunshine, having babies, teaching
their babies how to get food.
Um, you know, running dogs move, you know, 40, 50 miles a day.
I don't really think humans are meant to travel 40, 50 miles a day.
Um, so that's not really part of our makeup.
But, but see, the, the general categories are still all the same.
You know, air, water.
And, um, living out there, living in nature, living, being able to
express our natural inclinations, all of those things are important to us.
So for dogs, we need to figure out how we can replicate those conditions
that they evolved in over the eons.
And the closer we can get to that, the higher the level of
health that our dogs will enjoy.
Anke: That makes, that makes a lot of sense.
And I think it also explains why it's so hard, right?
When every, with more and more people living in apartments and all sort
of crammed in and you know, you're just a little balcony and then just
kind of walk around the pavement.
I think a lot of dogs are so removed, so removed from that.
So I'm curious.
I think we all agree that kibble is the kind of equivalent of fast food.
Mm-hmm.
Um, actually it's funny, like mine don't even know what that is either.
They'd be like, is that edible?
Don't know.
You know?
So what do you feed your dogs?
Nora: I feed my dog according to the model that I developed, uh, like
20, starting 25 years ago, um, that forms the skeleton of rotational mono
feeding and rotational mono feeding just refers to mono in my definition.
Um, just refers to separating plant foods from meat foods because.
Neither dogs nor humans should be mixing meat and plants together as.
Crazy as that sounds.
Meat requires, uh, an acid environment, acidic environment in
this, in the digestive, um, cavity, um, in order to be broken down.
And plants require an alkaline digestive environment.
And when you mix as acid and alkaline, they neutralize each other and that
means not very much of the food is going to be getting digested.
So that's what.
Mono feeding refers to mostly.
Um, although there are some plant foods that really aren't
friends with each other, like you don't wanna mix fats and sugars
together, it's just not a good idea.
Um, but apart from that, you know, the way I feed my dog is.
She gets meat probably three or four times per week.
She gets one or two fasting days per week where she gets nothing but water.
And then one day of the week, I generally give her a full day of fruit.
Like I will give her bananas, a banana in the morning and.
Half an apple later on and she only weighs 10 pounds.
So, I mean, I could, I could, she could live on my scraps, right?
My Apple course, but I don't eat meat of course.
So, um, so I still have to buy it for her.
But, um, but you know, that's what she eats.
And, um, fortunately I'm still able to get some wild.
Um, deer scrap here in the, we live in a, a, I live in a state
where hunting is very popular, so I'm still able to get scrap from.
Hunted deer that are processed in my state.
So, um, that's what she eats.
She's eating right now.
I generally fill my freezer in the fall when it's hunting season and I have really
nice venison bones for her to chew on.
And, um, and apart from that, I buy chicken for her.
I buy organic free range chicken and, you know, organic free range chicken gets
to be a little prohibitive if you have a big dog or if you have, um, many dogs.
But um, to, it doesn't really matter if you feed organic or not.
You can feed conventional if you want, if you want, because feeding, um, raw,
biologically appropriate food puts you so far ahead of all the other dog owners
out there that are feeding commercial garbage, even if they're feeding raw.
Um, that it, that starts to take kind of a backseat, whether
it's conventional or organic.
And what I've sort of, my philosophy is sort of that most of the crap that
is fed to these animals in order to get them really fat at slaughter time.
Which is what makes money for the processors can be trimmed because it
gets stored in fat cells on the animal.
And as long as we're trimming off all of these globs of fat that
you don't see on wild animals, um, you can pretty much replicate.
Even if you buy conventional meat, you can pretty much replicate a
wild dog's diet or you can get close enough that your dog will thrive.
Your dog will reverse disease.
Not ever, you know, get diseased in the first place if you catch it in time
and or if you, you know, start feeding early enough before they're diseased
and you can get the maximum potential lifespan out of your dog, which is super
important to go to dog owners because they don't live as long as we do.
The, you know, the most we can hope for is a couple decades, and
that's a portion of our lives.
Why not get the absolute most that you can, especially if you have 10 or
15 years invested in a dog and bond, you know, you've, you've spent all of
that time training and bonding and, and getting that dog comfortable with
you and vice versa, and knowing each other's routines and body language and
all of that, all of that investment you want every day that you can get.
Anke: Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Like, yeah, no, for sure.
And, and funny enough, like this first one that like, he, he made it to almost
17 years, you know, and he never ate kibble and the other one as well, and the
other one's alive, you know, so, yeah.
It's like, I was laughing when he was saying like, oh, she gets a banana.
I'm like, my 110 pound dog would go like, what?
You kidding me?
Yeah,
Nora: a lot of dogs do that, but a lot of dogs, like I, I took a dog out
from the shelter yesterday on a day trip, and I offered her all kinds of
real foods and she absolutely, she loved tomatoes, cucumbers, and apples.
I offered her all three, and she just loved them both.
And she's a kibble dog.
She's a kibble fed dog.
Yeah.
So, but they
Anke: always know though, right?
I, I don't, yeah.
So, so what?
Do, do you like?
Obviously people get told, oh, you must feed kibble, right?
I mean, I don't know whether it's in the US but here definitely vets will
tell you like, that's like you, you kind of poison your dog if you give
them, and you must not give them, right?
Because I think, I think what they're often also trying to say
is people will kind of give their spicy, greasy table scraps, which is
obviously not the alternative, right?
So we're talking no spices and you know.
So how do you, how do you suggest somebody goes about and they go,
actually, yeah, that makes sense.
Like if I can, you know, give my dog more longevity, but like
they're used to kibble, how would you suggest that transition?
Would you go cold Turkey or will you start mixing it for a bit?
Or, or what's the best way to transition?
Nora: Well, actually not very much Transitioning.
Transitioning is necessary.
Everything that you need to know, and this is.
Blatant self-promotion, but everything you need to know is right.
No, that's what we're
Anke: here for.
Nora: We want people to know, yes, I have a flow chart in the back that will guide
people to the rotation that they need to feed their dogs, but there's really
not much transition that's necessary at all, and in fact, transitioning.
Gets people in trouble sometimes because they think they need to do
things gradually and they don't.
I mean, if, if you're carrying a burden, you don't necessarily need
to get rid of your burden, slowly throw it off, get rid of it, you know.
Um, so if you're, if you've last fed your dog kibble on Tuesday, you can feed your
dog some kind of plant foods on Wednesday.
And if your dog is one of those like yours that won't eat fruit, um.
I recommend a, uh, a meal of cooked yams and quinoa.
Quinoa is a high protein seed that most dogs like and cooked yams are.
These are the orange potatoes, um, are pretty much universally loved.
So, and they're even starting to make, you know, dog treats out of yams since
you've probably seen sweet potatoes, you've probably seen 'em in the stores.
But, um, so what that does, I've seen
Anke: recipes of people putting them in the air, and I was, I was just
actually my loves fruit, but she would go like, one banana, half a banana.
You've gotta be kidding.
Give me like three, like she's just, she's big.
Yeah.
She wants a lot of it.
Nora: Yes.
And, and she probably would need three or four or even more, you know?
Yeah.
For a day, for a meal.
But, um, um, where was I?
Okay, so the transition day just needs to be plant foods because if you have
kibble in the gut, if you have remnants of that kibble that you fed on Tuesday, yes.
Still lingering in the gut, having.
Gotten all the way out.
If fruit or plant food sits on top of that, it's not gonna create
the mess that raw meat does.
So if you feed raw meat on top of kibble, say if you feed kibble on Tuesday and you
wanna introduce raw meat on Wednesday.
Well, there's a possibility that that, and many people have discovered
this from trying to transition their dog slowly by mixing raw and kibble
together raw meat and kibble together.
Um, and I did that once and it was a huge mistake.
And that's how I know that it's, it can have very bad consequences.
The consequences are not life threatening.
They're not acute, they're just.
Messy because a dog will vomit or have diarrhea if the meat sits on top of
the kibble and ies because the poisons that are created when meat sits around
in the gut and ies are pretty severe.
They're, they're, they're, they're poisonous, right?
They're toxic.
So the body has to get rid of that, and dogs are set up to.
Eat some decomposing food, right?
They will eat rotting carryon, but sometimes the body will just go, wait
a minute, we've got kibble in here.
Now we've got raw meat coming in.
I'm just gonna.
Cut my losses and get rid of this whole mess and start over.
And that's what, and so it's, it's a crapshoot, right?
You never know which dogs you're gonna have that kind of problem with.
So the, the, the way to do that is to either fast the day, complete fast, the
dog completely, which means they get nothing at all on Wednesday except water.
But if you don't wanna do that.
You can try feeding fruit.
If the dog refuses fruit, then you can feed this combination or just cook
yams, combination of quinoa, yams, or just yams for that transition day.
And then on Thursday you will generally see the orange poops.
Come out from having eaten the, uh, cooked yams before, the day before.
And that gives you the all clear signal Yes.
That everything has been cleaned out in the, in the intestinal
tract, and you can safely feed raw meat the next day and bones.
Anke: Oh, that makes so much sense.
And that also explains why people feel, I think it's off probably, I would imagine.
They see the thing and draw the wrong conclusions.
It's almost like they put it together and think, oh, we like my dog can't
handle the rapid trend like change.
So we need to transition slower.
So you, it's actually the other way around.
It's like it's just the mixing that's actually the problem.
That makes so much sense.
Nora: Yeah, and it's actually worse than that because they will blame raw food.
They will blame germs.
They will go back to the vet.
And say, oh, my dog threw up yesterday.
What should I do?
And then they get drugs on top of everything else.
Anke: Oh yeah.
Nora: Um, so yeah, it could be disastrous for people to try raw food, raw feeding
without knowing what they're doing.
I even had that to happen to, you know, to myself 25 years ago.
And.
To my, uh, my customers, my dog walking customers, because, um,
they would try it and I would go, oh yeah, that, so that's a problem.
So I started, you know, formulating these ideas and going, there's a way,
there's a way to prevent all of that, those problems that could be disastrous
by just, um, giving, making sure that the, the intestinal tract, the
digestive system is completely clear before you start feeding raw meat.
Anke: I, I mean, it's one of those things like, you know, when you explain it like
that, it's like, oh, it feels so obvious.
But I think it's one of those things that somebody needs to point you to because
it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion.
For sure.
So are there specific, say, you were mentioning before, how, you
know, I guess people are aware that nutrition has a massive impact on.
On health and can even reverse diseases.
So if my dog has something.
So are there specific things that, you know, you say, okay, if a
dog is ill in one way or another, like, is does it change the
nutrition or would you apply that?
Um, same protocol all, all the way through.
Nora: There are actually very few conditions that require anything specific
because what rotational model feeding RMF will do is it basically removes all of the
causes of disease because, um, everything contained in kibble and commercial dog
food, um, contributes to disease, right?
All of those substandard.
Waste y you know, wasteful products, those, um, they're,
they're basically waste products of the food processing industry.
That's what goes, that's what the commercial pet food industry is all about.
It's just the disposal arm of the food, human food processing industry, and all
of those things combined create disease.
Those things create disease well, when you stop feeding those things
and the dog's body is only getting.
Those foods, which he has, um, intrinsic familiarity with, let's
say biological ad adaptation for then the causes are removed, right?
The causes of all disease.
It's not just some disease, it's all disease.
And once you start, and that's, that's the beauty of natural hygiene, which
is the body of print, the body of knowledge that underlies all of this.
It's just life science, right?
It's just the science of life.
Um, the beauty is once you remove the cause, the body does the healing.
The body does the healing.
You don't need substances, you don't need remedies, you don't need
oils, you don't need supplements.
You don't need any products.
And that's why I don't sell any products.
I would love to be able to sell products because it sure makes.
Earning a living a lot easier, but I can't, it would make me a hypocrite
because once you remove the cause of disease, the body does the healing
if you just get outta the way.
That's what we're doing with this.
So there are very few conditions I can't even think of, I mean, I can't even think
of one that would require, uh, a different protocol than, uh, than the others.
Um.
Because we're always, you know, for kidney, kidney disease, for example,
we're always being told by vets that they need a low protein diet.
Well, that's not true because it's not eating too much protein that caused
the kidney disease in the first place.
It was commercial pet food, which has cooked proteins which are taxing on
the kidneys and not enough protein and too much fat and all of that.
So you're removing that and just giving the dog.
The foods that the kidneys are set up to digest, to, um, deal with, then the
kidneys are gonna resolve themselves.
They're gonna sort themselves out so that that's not even true.
So, um, yeah, I, I just can't even think of a single condition that
requires a special feeding protocol.
RMF pretty much across the board removes causes of disease.
Hmm.
Anke: I
Nora: mean that,
Anke: that makes so much sense.
And I guess you're probably not popular amongst veterinarian and,
and pet food industry, right?
Nora: No, uh, unfortunately, unfortunately, except for the,
the dog owning proletariat out there, RMF doesn't really.
RMF is in the cross hairs of so many industries.
Nobody likes us.
Um, I mean everybody has except the dogs, I would imagine, except the
dogs and, and people who want, and the people who want the dogs to live.
Because product sellers hate us.
And I mean, I try to tell people, you don't need supplements, you don't
need oils, you don't need products or remedies or blah, blah, blah.
Every time I say this, I that I make a new enemy.
I mean, I have so many people blocked on Facebook that, uh, I
mean probably my enemies list is longer than my friends list, but
that's, people are in their living.
Selling those things and it becomes very personal to them.
It starts to feel to them like a personal attack when I tell people they don't
need to buy supplements or remedies.
Mm-hmm.
Anke: But I guess it's the same with people, right?
It's almost like you, it's the same principle.
I mean, I guess there's doctor and everybody is like, here's pills
and here's this and here's that.
And, and just kind of puffing around on the surface kind of
treating, treating symptoms.
And I was lucky enough with, with, um, with my Leo initially when he got,
because obviously, I mean, I didn't know, you know, I found him in the street.
You know, it was like, okay, I've got a dog now.
Great.
You know, I mean, I wanted a dog, but I'd never had one.
And so obviously what the vet tells me, I didn't expect it to be so off the mark.
Right.
So yeah, I started out, oh, okay.
Gave you a cable and he would, you know, and he had skin problems.
Right.
And it was always a struggle to get him to eat.
Like he'd have his little bowl and you'd always like, kind of like, you
know, always have to encourage him like he didn't want it, you know?
Mm-hmm.
And, and so when I then stumbled across this book and like, and I
go, oh no, don't feed him that.
And I looked at the label of the dog food.
I was sold.
I'm like, I'm not giving that, you know?
So I changed away probably not even to something that would.
I don't know.
I can't even remember.
Like I, I did start kind of not buy stuff, you know, but probably
still made lots of mistakes.
But the thing was, his skin problems were gone within a few days, really, you know?
And yeah, there's so many.
And he ate, all of a sudden he had so much appetite and all of a sudden, you
know, he didn't poop five times a day and like literally a lot, all his issues
were like gone away within a week.
Nora: Right.
And so many conditions don't require optimal.
You can.
And that's why people, they try to replicate commercial food, they think
that's the ideal to strive for, right?
So they try to replicate commercial pet food in their kitchens and just
doing that can solve a lot of problems.
Yeah.
Um, and pe.
So people go out and they go, well, I feed this and this, and I
throw everything in the crockpot and my dog's allergies went away.
And you know, but the problem is later on, that's not ideal either.
So the dog will show some improvements initially, but then later on
they will develop more problems.
Well, rotational mono feeding is pretty much the best, right?
It's taken from what we know about.
Wild dog behavior.
Mm-hmm.
Wild dog.
We can still observe them.
We track them.
We have, they have GPS trackers on their collars now.
We see everything they eat, everything they do, every step they take, we see
their, their wounds heal naturally with no stitching up and no antibiotics.
And you know, sure, sometimes they die, but very often they don't.
And they have very serious injuries because they're.
Food fights back, right?
Yeah.
Their food wants to go on living.
So, um, we see we have the means to watch wild dogs and see what they eat and the
closer we can get to that, the better.
Anke: Yeah.
I mean, that makes, boy, that makes all the sense in the world.
And, um.
I'm, I'm just like, my mind just sort of processing because it feels like
it's, it makes so much sense and people need to, you know, I guess we sort of
coming to our senses for people, you know, and I think with dog, and I always
think dog food is, dogs don't complain, they gobble up, whatever, you know.
So I think it's, it's, it's easier.
I read some Oh, that's right.
I, um.
I remember reading, I, I'm pretty sure you, you know, the details of that,
that, um, all these health problems with like, the dogs kind of have, you
know, get cancer and that dog's kind of diet 10 years, that that's all
stuff that's actually all very recent.
Yes.
That you can literally, I remember reading something that they said,
well, you can literally track it back to when commercial dog food was
introduced, that all these things happen.
Nora: Yes.
Unfortunately it happens sort of, um.
Concurrently with a lot of other bad things that have happened
too, like jabbing dogs with chemicals, if you know what I mean.
And, uh, and the, the increasing, you know, amount
of jabbing that we do to dogs.
Um, I hope people know what I mean by that.
And, uh, but it's mostly food.
It is mostly food and also the drugging of dogs.
And when you said dogs can't complain, it's absolutely true and that's what
makes the fact that vets have become pretty much glorified drug reps.
Um, that's what makes it much worse for animals than it is for humans because.
So many problems.
So many health issues are made worse with the administration of drugs.
And what the advantage that humans have is we can go to our doctor and say, you
know, you gave me this drug for my symptom and the drug actually makes me feel worse.
And so I'm gonna stop taking that drug.
I would like a different drug.
Um, whatever.
They can do that.
Well, you take your dog.
And if you're not willing to undergo a lot of very expensive diagnostics, there is a
lot of guesswork that goes into diagnosing a dog in the veterinary profession.
And once they have a diagnosis that just tells 'em what drug to administer and
when the drug is administered, if the owner sees the original symptom, go away.
That is success in the owner's mind.
That is success in the vet's mind.
That owner will be going back to get more of that remedy if they,
if it's intended to be used lo longer, and they usually are, right?
There's lifetime disease management.
That's the goal, right?
Of the pharmaceutical industry.
But what dogs can't do is they can't tell the owner, no, my original symptom
is gone away, but I actually feel worse.
Yeah, I'd like to have my original symptom back because I feel worse.
And we see this so much in these horrible drugs like Prednisone and Cytopoint and
Apoquel and the steroids and um, which includes prednisone and so many others.
Um, where dogs just, they have.
Seizures and, um, you know, neurological issues and paralysis
and those kinds of things.
It's, it's just, it's horrible, you know, as long as what we see after we administer
a drug is not worse than the original symptom, we think that that's successful.
Well, it's not, it's not.
What we need to do is stay away from the vet.
Figure out what's you know, causing, and I've already told everybody
here, right here in this podcast that it's commercial pet food, right?
Just change that.
You don't have to worry about your dog's psychological security if the
right food is going in his mouth, because his body is going to then
have enough energy to heal itself.
It's that
Anke: self-healing that makes so much sense, right?
Yes.
So it's almost like it's not our job to heal the dog, it's
to create the environment where the, the body can heal itself.
And that's like, it's the same for people.
Nora: Yes.
You know,
Anke: so it makes, it makes all the sense in the world.
So.
Can you just put that book up again?
Like, you know, obviously we're gonna pop the link in the, in the show notes, and
where can people find out more about you, you know, any questions they have and,
and, you know, work with you or get in
Nora: touch.
Uh, well, probably the best way, I mean, I'm most attentive to Facebook,
but if people just want the bare bones explanation of what it's all about,
the website is a good place to start.
Um, and it's rotational mono feeding.com.
RMF, pets for short.
RMF Pets, you can do either.
Um, my website originally was called No More Vet Bills because
I really wanted to encourage love.
I wanted to encourage people to stay away from the vet
industry because it has become.
In effect kind of predatory, just like the human, um, pharmaceutical industry
or the human, you know, medical industry.
You, you really, your goal should be to just stay away from it.
Just avoid it.
It's, it's for emergency care.
Yeah.
It's not for disease.
It's, they, they function best as trauma care.
Not for disease.
So we just wanna avoid disease, we wanna prevent it, reverse it if it's already
there, and then just stay away from them.
So, um, anyway, I have a, so I have a couple Facebook groups.
I have a public Facebook group with 22,000 members, and then I have a, a private
Facebook group, which is subscription only, and that's the one that I moderate.
I answer people's questions every day.
I do a weekly podcast for the subscribers, uh, where I take their questions.
That's every Saturday.
I have a YouTube channel under my name and one under rotational mono feeding with
lots of interviews just like this one.
Um, and some other like webinars and whatnot.
And, um, inst I have a slight presence on Instagram.
Um, and I think that's pretty much it.
Anke: Awesome.
Well thank you so much.
Really, really enlightening and insightful and you know, I think
we're all gonna go and run and get that book now, so I hope so.
You know, because our dogs will definitely, and I have, have a sense that
I think, you know, we are gonna learn some stuff for our own health as well,
because as you said before, there's more parallels and there are differences.
So that was definitely really wonderful point.
So thank you so much.
Nora: Yes.
I like to, in fact, think of my book as a portal for people to start thinking about
their own health because many times people are threatened by the idea of changing
themselves, but when they go ahead and make changes for their dog, it's like put,
you don't have to do anything different.
You just put different food in the bowl.
You don't have to dress your addictions to put different food in the bowl, but you do
that and you see these miraculous changes in your dog, and you go, wait a second.
I could probably do that for me too.
And they do.
And it has been, uh, effective in that way for so many people, so.
Oh, I love that.
I love, anyway, I love, I won't flab on anymore.
I'm so thankful for this opportunity to talk to you this morning Anki.
So.
Well,
Anke: thank you so much and thank you for sharing all of this.
Like they were like you, I was gonna like, wait, what?
My mind was amazing.
So, so much, so much insight in, in such a short amount of time.
So I'm incredibly grateful.
Thank you so much.
Nora: Alright, you're welcome.
Have a good evening.
You too.
Thanks so much for listening.
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