WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.045 --> 00:00:26.695 Anke: Hello and welcome Nora. 00:00:26.695 --> 00:00:28.345 I'm delighted to have you here with me. 00:00:29.785 --> 00:00:30.415 Nora: Hi Anki. 00:00:30.415 --> 00:00:31.735 I'm delighted to be here. 00:00:32.635 --> 00:00:33.295 Anke: Wonderful. 00:00:33.295 --> 00:00:36.625 So let people know where in this lovely world you are, 'cause you 00:00:36.625 --> 00:00:39.655 are nine hours behind where I am. 00:00:40.075 --> 00:00:42.205 And what's your business with dogs? 00:00:42.835 --> 00:00:43.615 Nora: Yes, I am. 00:00:43.615 --> 00:00:46.345 I'm in, uh, I'm on the west coast of the us. 00:00:46.345 --> 00:00:50.785 I'm in Washington state, sort of inland a couple hundred miles inland 00:00:50.785 --> 00:00:53.965 from the ocean, um, in the northwest. 00:00:54.475 --> 00:01:01.250 Um, and my business with dogs started out in 1997 when I started my own dog. 00:01:02.065 --> 00:01:06.865 Care business, and it was mostly playgroups where I would take large 00:01:06.865 --> 00:01:12.355 groups of dogs out, where they could be off leash, um, for a couple hours, and 00:01:12.355 --> 00:01:13.645 then I would take 'em all back home. 00:01:13.645 --> 00:01:15.475 And the, the business was. 00:01:16.210 --> 00:01:22.630 Very highly valued by all of the business professionals that were populating. 00:01:22.660 --> 00:01:24.700 The town where I was living at the time. 00:01:24.970 --> 00:01:26.500 It was building, and building and building. 00:01:26.500 --> 00:01:30.700 Now Amazon and Microsoft are there, and it's full of those kind of people who 00:01:30.700 --> 00:01:32.260 have to leave their dogs at home all day. 00:01:32.650 --> 00:01:33.880 So, um. 00:01:34.100 --> 00:01:40.160 I've since retired from that, but I had about 20 years before that started 00:01:40.160 --> 00:01:44.300 learning about human nutrition and that the effect that human nutrition 00:01:44.300 --> 00:01:49.940 has on our health, our feelings, our psychology, the effect that food 00:01:49.940 --> 00:01:57.020 has on all parts of our being, and I was seeing dogs being fed this. 00:01:57.580 --> 00:02:01.810 Commercial garbage that was having the same effect on 00:02:01.810 --> 00:02:04.210 them that junk food has on us. 00:02:04.420 --> 00:02:10.030 And so I started, um, gathering information for my customers and 00:02:10.030 --> 00:02:15.370 I made a little, it was probably about a 10 page handout initially. 00:02:15.925 --> 00:02:19.615 Just trying to teach people what I had learned because I just dove 00:02:19.615 --> 00:02:24.475 in with both feet and, 'cause I wanted to feed my dog properly. 00:02:24.475 --> 00:02:29.845 I wanted to make my dog, um, live as long as he possibly could, and 00:02:29.845 --> 00:02:32.485 it eventually became this book. 00:02:33.415 --> 00:02:37.855 Computational mono feeding and we call it RMF, uh, for short. 00:02:38.425 --> 00:02:47.785 And, uh, about, um, 15, 16 years ago, I started my website with basically 00:02:47.785 --> 00:02:49.915 the outline of that book on it. 00:02:50.035 --> 00:02:51.565 And, um. 00:02:52.355 --> 00:02:58.385 It didn't really do much until, I mean, I, I would get book sales now and then and, 00:02:58.505 --> 00:03:03.875 um, then I started a Facebook group in, I was a Facebook holdout for many years. 00:03:03.875 --> 00:03:05.285 I didn't want any part of it. 00:03:05.765 --> 00:03:12.515 Uh, but I started a dog feeding group in 2018, I believe, and it 00:03:12.545 --> 00:03:15.035 really kickstarted my business. 00:03:15.035 --> 00:03:15.815 I hadn't used. 00:03:16.115 --> 00:03:18.665 Social media much up until that point. 00:03:19.235 --> 00:03:21.875 And, um, so now I have a YouTube channel. 00:03:21.875 --> 00:03:25.955 I have a couple of, uh, Facebook groups and I teach people the 00:03:25.955 --> 00:03:29.555 very simple basic principles that. 00:03:29.860 --> 00:03:35.050 Pretty much govern all life on earth, and they are applicable to all 00:03:35.050 --> 00:03:37.090 species, humans, and dogs included. 00:03:37.090 --> 00:03:42.340 We might have a different range of foods and conditions that we thrive 00:03:42.340 --> 00:03:48.430 in that are different from what dogs thrive in, but the same principles. 00:03:49.090 --> 00:03:54.490 Um, guide or govern us because if we don't stay within those ranges, we get sick. 00:03:54.880 --> 00:04:01.180 Disease is the natural, predictable outcome of our failure to fulfill 00:04:01.180 --> 00:04:04.150 our biological needs, and that's what people don't understand. 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.340 Disease is not something that you're born with. 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.800 It's not something that floats around in the air. 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:12.430 It's not something that you are destined to suffer. 00:04:12.580 --> 00:04:15.610 It's not something that naturally happens as you age. 00:04:15.880 --> 00:04:16.840 No, no, no. 00:04:16.900 --> 00:04:17.710 That's not. 00:04:18.400 --> 00:04:19.060 Aging. 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:20.350 That's degeneration. 00:04:20.410 --> 00:04:22.300 That is, that is disease. 00:04:22.540 --> 00:04:26.710 So many people confuse aging and degeneration. 00:04:26.830 --> 00:04:31.780 But what we see when we see people in their eighties who aren't able to function 00:04:31.780 --> 00:04:37.150 properly, that's disease that's not aging because aging happens much slower. 00:04:37.180 --> 00:04:38.680 And it's the same with dogs. 00:04:38.860 --> 00:04:43.210 Dogs begin to show their age in midlife, which is seven or 00:04:43.210 --> 00:04:45.550 eight, and you know, typically. 00:04:46.465 --> 00:04:49.345 That's when they start to develop problems and just like. 00:04:49.915 --> 00:04:55.975 We humans in our twenties when we can eat whatever we want, we can eat the 00:04:55.975 --> 00:05:00.265 junk as it rolls out of the factory and we don't, we still function properly. 00:05:00.265 --> 00:05:00.715 Ever seen. 00:05:00.715 --> 00:05:02.425 Everything seems to work. 00:05:02.665 --> 00:05:07.255 It's just like that with dogs and that's how they do fine on kibble and canned 00:05:07.255 --> 00:05:09.775 garbage through their midlife years. 00:05:09.775 --> 00:05:12.145 Typically, it's, it's getting to be that. 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:16.110 Dogs are encounter, encountering chronic disease earlier in life. 00:05:16.170 --> 00:05:18.570 And, and that's, that's getting to be a huge problem. 00:05:18.570 --> 00:05:21.090 We have cancer in two, 3-year-old dogs. 00:05:21.090 --> 00:05:21.540 It's crazy. 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.000 Oh, that's, that's crazy. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:24.480 Anke: Jesus. 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:25.260 I could not agree. 00:05:25.260 --> 00:05:29.100 I'm so glad you're here, you know, because I definitely, um, yeah. 00:05:29.100 --> 00:05:33.150 I've had my own experience with my very first dog where he wasn't doing well 00:05:33.150 --> 00:05:35.790 on the stuff that the vet said it was. 00:05:35.850 --> 00:05:38.280 I was to feed him exclusively. 00:05:38.845 --> 00:05:40.195 The kibble that he sold. 00:05:40.195 --> 00:05:40.495 Right. 00:05:40.825 --> 00:05:46.315 Funny that, but um, so I really early on came, came across a book where the 00:05:46.315 --> 00:05:49.195 one key takeaway was Read the labels. 00:05:49.285 --> 00:05:49.615 Right. 00:05:49.615 --> 00:05:51.295 Don't look at what it says on the front. 00:05:51.565 --> 00:05:56.785 So now you said something that really sparked my curiosity and that's the 00:05:56.815 --> 00:05:59.515 universal principle for all beings. 00:05:59.875 --> 00:06:02.245 Like, can you just unpack that a little bit? 00:06:02.245 --> 00:06:05.185 Like what are the things that are common for. 00:06:06.385 --> 00:06:09.025 For all of us, regardless of how many legs we've got. 00:06:09.655 --> 00:06:13.345 Nora: Yeah, that's a great question because there, I, I follow this full, 00:06:13.345 --> 00:06:19.585 this general body of knowledge called natural hygiene and it lists or elucidates 00:06:19.945 --> 00:06:22.315 like, I think there are 20 or 30 I. 00:06:22.570 --> 00:06:27.850 Principles of life, and right up there in the top is every species 00:06:27.850 --> 00:06:33.940 has a range of foods that they're biologically adapted to thrive on, and 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:35.830 that's different for every species. 00:06:35.980 --> 00:06:37.330 It's not black and white. 00:06:37.330 --> 00:06:39.010 There's a little crossover. 00:06:39.010 --> 00:06:42.910 If something is called a carnivore, it doesn't necessarily mean they're not 00:06:42.910 --> 00:06:45.340 going to eat, you know, plant foods. 00:06:45.520 --> 00:06:48.700 If something is called an herbivore, it doesn't necessarily mean. 00:06:48.885 --> 00:06:52.185 Mean they will never eat an animal derived food. 00:06:52.425 --> 00:06:54.405 But that's the basic idea. 00:06:54.825 --> 00:07:01.185 And um, some of the other principles that govern life are fresh air, 00:07:01.515 --> 00:07:05.295 fresh water, psychological security. 00:07:05.775 --> 00:07:08.355 And that's gonna be different for us than it is for dogs. 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.535 What does it take for dogs to feel psychologically secure? 00:07:11.685 --> 00:07:14.505 Well, there's lots of prey out there for them to catch right? 00:07:14.995 --> 00:07:16.675 I could care less about prey, right? 00:07:16.705 --> 00:07:17.815 I don't care about prey. 00:07:18.145 --> 00:07:21.535 I wanna know that there's fruit on the tree in my backyard or 00:07:21.535 --> 00:07:23.275 in my refrigerator or whatever. 00:07:23.425 --> 00:07:24.715 That's my priority. 00:07:24.895 --> 00:07:28.975 So that gives me psychological security for me, not thinking 00:07:28.975 --> 00:07:30.955 about bombs falling on my head. 00:07:30.955 --> 00:07:34.225 That's great for having, you know, good psychological, you 00:07:34.225 --> 00:07:35.455 know, security that helps. 00:07:35.845 --> 00:07:37.735 But dogs couldn't care less about that. 00:07:37.825 --> 00:07:38.845 So that's different. 00:07:38.845 --> 00:07:42.325 But it's still the general category of psychological security is. 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.940 Important for us as it is for dogs, um, for us, meaningful 00:07:46.940 --> 00:07:53.780 work for dogs, being able to, um, express their natural inclinations 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:56.540 and urges, whatever those are. 00:07:56.840 --> 00:08:00.470 Um, being out in the sunshine, having babies, teaching 00:08:00.470 --> 00:08:02.660 their babies how to get food. 00:08:03.155 --> 00:08:07.835 Um, you know, running dogs move, you know, 40, 50 miles a day. 00:08:07.835 --> 00:08:11.345 I don't really think humans are meant to travel 40, 50 miles a day. 00:08:11.765 --> 00:08:14.555 Um, so that's not really part of our makeup. 00:08:14.885 --> 00:08:19.475 But, but see, the, the general categories are still all the same. 00:08:19.475 --> 00:08:20.945 You know, air, water. 00:08:21.535 --> 00:08:25.915 And, um, living out there, living in nature, living, being able to 00:08:25.945 --> 00:08:30.985 express our natural inclinations, all of those things are important to us. 00:08:30.985 --> 00:08:36.895 So for dogs, we need to figure out how we can replicate those conditions 00:08:36.895 --> 00:08:39.985 that they evolved in over the eons. 00:08:40.435 --> 00:08:45.595 And the closer we can get to that, the higher the level of 00:08:45.595 --> 00:08:47.755 health that our dogs will enjoy. 00:08:48.895 --> 00:08:50.515 Anke: That makes, that makes a lot of sense. 00:08:50.755 --> 00:08:53.605 And I think it also explains why it's so hard, right? 00:08:53.605 --> 00:08:56.575 When every, with more and more people living in apartments and all sort 00:08:56.575 --> 00:09:00.175 of crammed in and you know, you're just a little balcony and then just 00:09:00.175 --> 00:09:01.795 kind of walk around the pavement. 00:09:02.125 --> 00:09:05.965 I think a lot of dogs are so removed, so removed from that. 00:09:06.895 --> 00:09:08.635 So I'm curious. 00:09:09.505 --> 00:09:13.945 I think we all agree that kibble is the kind of equivalent of fast food. 00:09:14.275 --> 00:09:14.365 Mm-hmm. 00:09:14.605 --> 00:09:17.755 Um, actually it's funny, like mine don't even know what that is either. 00:09:17.755 --> 00:09:19.825 They'd be like, is that edible? 00:09:19.915 --> 00:09:20.515 Don't know. 00:09:20.515 --> 00:09:20.965 You know? 00:09:21.145 --> 00:09:22.735 So what do you feed your dogs? 00:09:24.205 --> 00:09:28.765 Nora: I feed my dog according to the model that I developed, uh, like 00:09:28.825 --> 00:09:35.635 20, starting 25 years ago, um, that forms the skeleton of rotational mono 00:09:35.635 --> 00:09:43.045 feeding and rotational mono feeding just refers to mono in my definition. 00:09:43.165 --> 00:09:49.315 Um, just refers to separating plant foods from meat foods because. 00:09:50.395 --> 00:09:54.925 Neither dogs nor humans should be mixing meat and plants together as. 00:09:55.750 --> 00:09:57.310 Crazy as that sounds. 00:09:57.790 --> 00:10:03.220 Meat requires, uh, an acid environment, acidic environment in 00:10:03.220 --> 00:10:09.550 this, in the digestive, um, cavity, um, in order to be broken down. 00:10:09.580 --> 00:10:13.660 And plants require an alkaline digestive environment. 00:10:14.050 --> 00:10:19.030 And when you mix as acid and alkaline, they neutralize each other and that 00:10:19.030 --> 00:10:22.150 means not very much of the food is going to be getting digested. 00:10:22.450 --> 00:10:23.590 So that's what. 00:10:23.885 --> 00:10:26.255 Mono feeding refers to mostly. 00:10:26.555 --> 00:10:28.895 Um, although there are some plant foods that really aren't 00:10:28.895 --> 00:10:31.835 friends with each other, like you don't wanna mix fats and sugars 00:10:31.835 --> 00:10:34.415 together, it's just not a good idea. 00:10:34.745 --> 00:10:40.115 Um, but apart from that, you know, the way I feed my dog is. 00:10:40.655 --> 00:10:45.815 She gets meat probably three or four times per week. 00:10:46.205 --> 00:10:50.975 She gets one or two fasting days per week where she gets nothing but water. 00:10:51.335 --> 00:10:56.315 And then one day of the week, I generally give her a full day of fruit. 00:10:56.375 --> 00:11:01.295 Like I will give her bananas, a banana in the morning and. 00:11:01.630 --> 00:11:04.450 Half an apple later on and she only weighs 10 pounds. 00:11:04.450 --> 00:11:09.130 So, I mean, I could, I could, she could live on my scraps, right? 00:11:09.130 --> 00:11:11.140 My Apple course, but I don't eat meat of course. 00:11:11.230 --> 00:11:13.870 So, um, so I still have to buy it for her. 00:11:14.170 --> 00:11:16.930 But, um, but you know, that's what she eats. 00:11:16.930 --> 00:11:22.120 And, um, fortunately I'm still able to get some wild. 00:11:22.390 --> 00:11:27.430 Um, deer scrap here in the, we live in a, a, I live in a state 00:11:27.430 --> 00:11:31.690 where hunting is very popular, so I'm still able to get scrap from. 00:11:32.260 --> 00:11:34.960 Hunted deer that are processed in my state. 00:11:35.350 --> 00:11:36.910 So, um, that's what she eats. 00:11:36.940 --> 00:11:38.140 She's eating right now. 00:11:38.140 --> 00:11:42.850 I generally fill my freezer in the fall when it's hunting season and I have really 00:11:42.850 --> 00:11:45.280 nice venison bones for her to chew on. 00:11:45.310 --> 00:11:49.780 And, um, and apart from that, I buy chicken for her. 00:11:49.870 --> 00:11:55.300 I buy organic free range chicken and, you know, organic free range chicken gets 00:11:55.300 --> 00:12:00.640 to be a little prohibitive if you have a big dog or if you have, um, many dogs. 00:12:01.235 --> 00:12:06.425 But um, to, it doesn't really matter if you feed organic or not. 00:12:06.575 --> 00:12:12.065 You can feed conventional if you want, if you want, because feeding, um, raw, 00:12:12.155 --> 00:12:18.545 biologically appropriate food puts you so far ahead of all the other dog owners 00:12:18.545 --> 00:12:21.875 out there that are feeding commercial garbage, even if they're feeding raw. 00:12:22.435 --> 00:12:27.475 Um, that it, that starts to take kind of a backseat, whether 00:12:27.475 --> 00:12:29.665 it's conventional or organic. 00:12:29.695 --> 00:12:35.275 And what I've sort of, my philosophy is sort of that most of the crap that 00:12:35.275 --> 00:12:39.835 is fed to these animals in order to get them really fat at slaughter time. 00:12:40.025 --> 00:12:44.075 Which is what makes money for the processors can be trimmed because it 00:12:44.075 --> 00:12:46.745 gets stored in fat cells on the animal. 00:12:47.045 --> 00:12:50.945 And as long as we're trimming off all of these globs of fat that 00:12:50.975 --> 00:12:55.265 you don't see on wild animals, um, you can pretty much replicate. 00:12:55.265 --> 00:12:59.105 Even if you buy conventional meat, you can pretty much replicate a 00:12:59.105 --> 00:13:03.185 wild dog's diet or you can get close enough that your dog will thrive. 00:13:03.625 --> 00:13:05.635 Your dog will reverse disease. 00:13:05.965 --> 00:13:10.885 Not ever, you know, get diseased in the first place if you catch it in time 00:13:11.335 --> 00:13:14.995 and or if you, you know, start feeding early enough before they're diseased 00:13:15.235 --> 00:13:19.675 and you can get the maximum potential lifespan out of your dog, which is super 00:13:19.675 --> 00:13:23.785 important to go to dog owners because they don't live as long as we do. 00:13:24.145 --> 00:13:26.815 The, you know, the most we can hope for is a couple decades, and 00:13:26.815 --> 00:13:28.765 that's a portion of our lives. 00:13:29.050 --> 00:13:33.640 Why not get the absolute most that you can, especially if you have 10 or 00:13:33.640 --> 00:13:38.950 15 years invested in a dog and bond, you know, you've, you've spent all of 00:13:38.950 --> 00:13:43.150 that time training and bonding and, and getting that dog comfortable with 00:13:43.150 --> 00:13:47.560 you and vice versa, and knowing each other's routines and body language and 00:13:47.560 --> 00:13:51.490 all of that, all of that investment you want every day that you can get. 00:13:51.865 --> 00:13:52.645 Anke: Absolutely. 00:13:52.645 --> 00:13:53.245 Absolutely. 00:13:53.245 --> 00:13:54.985 Like, yeah, no, for sure. 00:13:54.985 --> 00:13:59.095 And, and funny enough, like this first one that like, he, he made it to almost 00:13:59.095 --> 00:14:04.615 17 years, you know, and he never ate kibble and the other one as well, and the 00:14:04.615 --> 00:14:07.045 other one's alive, you know, so, yeah. 00:14:07.045 --> 00:14:09.895 It's like, I was laughing when he was saying like, oh, she gets a banana. 00:14:09.895 --> 00:14:13.495 I'm like, my 110 pound dog would go like, what? 00:14:13.495 --> 00:14:13.975 You kidding me? 00:14:14.755 --> 00:14:14.995 Yeah, 00:14:16.105 --> 00:14:20.005 Nora: a lot of dogs do that, but a lot of dogs, like I, I took a dog out 00:14:20.005 --> 00:14:25.465 from the shelter yesterday on a day trip, and I offered her all kinds of 00:14:25.465 --> 00:14:30.655 real foods and she absolutely, she loved tomatoes, cucumbers, and apples. 00:14:30.655 --> 00:14:33.295 I offered her all three, and she just loved them both. 00:14:33.295 --> 00:14:34.555 And she's a kibble dog. 00:14:34.705 --> 00:14:35.905 She's a kibble fed dog. 00:14:36.325 --> 00:14:36.445 Yeah. 00:14:36.475 --> 00:14:36.955 So, but they 00:14:36.955 --> 00:14:38.335 Anke: always know though, right? 00:14:38.395 --> 00:14:39.715 I, I don't, yeah. 00:14:40.525 --> 00:14:41.605 So, so what? 00:14:42.355 --> 00:14:43.375 Do, do you like? 00:14:43.645 --> 00:14:46.435 Obviously people get told, oh, you must feed kibble, right? 00:14:46.435 --> 00:14:49.465 I mean, I don't know whether it's in the US but here definitely vets will 00:14:49.465 --> 00:14:53.365 tell you like, that's like you, you kind of poison your dog if you give 00:14:53.365 --> 00:14:54.715 them, and you must not give them, right? 00:14:55.105 --> 00:14:58.645 Because I think, I think what they're often also trying to say 00:14:58.645 --> 00:15:04.735 is people will kind of give their spicy, greasy table scraps, which is 00:15:04.735 --> 00:15:06.565 obviously not the alternative, right? 00:15:06.895 --> 00:15:11.215 So we're talking no spices and you know. 00:15:12.595 --> 00:15:16.615 So how do you, how do you suggest somebody goes about and they go, 00:15:16.615 --> 00:15:18.145 actually, yeah, that makes sense. 00:15:18.145 --> 00:15:22.315 Like if I can, you know, give my dog more longevity, but like 00:15:22.315 --> 00:15:26.485 they're used to kibble, how would you suggest that transition? 00:15:26.485 --> 00:15:30.085 Would you go cold Turkey or will you start mixing it for a bit? 00:15:30.085 --> 00:15:32.755 Or, or what's the best way to transition? 00:15:33.805 --> 00:15:36.505 Nora: Well, actually not very much Transitioning. 00:15:36.535 --> 00:15:38.575 Transitioning is necessary. 00:15:38.635 --> 00:15:40.675 Everything that you need to know, and this is. 00:15:41.470 --> 00:15:43.900 Blatant self-promotion, but everything you need to know is right. 00:15:43.900 --> 00:15:44.350 No, that's what we're 00:15:44.350 --> 00:15:44.830 Anke: here for. 00:15:45.700 --> 00:15:51.100 Nora: We want people to know, yes, I have a flow chart in the back that will guide 00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:55.600 people to the rotation that they need to feed their dogs, but there's really 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:59.950 not much transition that's necessary at all, and in fact, transitioning. 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:03.890 Gets people in trouble sometimes because they think they need to do 00:16:03.890 --> 00:16:05.720 things gradually and they don't. 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:10.160 I mean, if, if you're carrying a burden, you don't necessarily need 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:14.420 to get rid of your burden, slowly throw it off, get rid of it, you know. 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:21.500 Um, so if you're, if you've last fed your dog kibble on Tuesday, you can feed your 00:16:21.500 --> 00:16:24.530 dog some kind of plant foods on Wednesday. 00:16:24.530 --> 00:16:28.850 And if your dog is one of those like yours that won't eat fruit, um. 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:34.690 I recommend a, uh, a meal of cooked yams and quinoa. 00:16:35.045 --> 00:16:40.000 Quinoa is a high protein seed that most dogs like and cooked yams are. 00:16:40.330 --> 00:16:43.960 These are the orange potatoes, um, are pretty much universally loved. 00:16:46.055 --> 00:16:49.715 So, and they're even starting to make, you know, dog treats out of yams since 00:16:49.715 --> 00:16:52.535 you've probably seen sweet potatoes, you've probably seen 'em in the stores. 00:16:52.895 --> 00:16:54.995 But, um, so what that does, I've seen 00:16:54.995 --> 00:16:58.685 Anke: recipes of people putting them in the air, and I was, I was just 00:16:58.685 --> 00:17:02.915 actually my loves fruit, but she would go like, one banana, half a banana. 00:17:02.915 --> 00:17:03.785 You've gotta be kidding. 00:17:03.785 --> 00:17:06.190 Give me like three, like she's just, she's big. 00:17:06.190 --> 00:17:06.390 Yeah. 00:17:06.635 --> 00:17:07.805 She wants a lot of it. 00:17:08.290 --> 00:17:08.620 Nora: Yes. 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.040 And, and she probably would need three or four or even more, you know? 00:17:12.070 --> 00:17:12.250 Yeah. 00:17:12.250 --> 00:17:13.360 For a day, for a meal. 00:17:13.630 --> 00:17:16.120 But, um, um, where was I? 00:17:16.210 --> 00:17:20.920 Okay, so the transition day just needs to be plant foods because if you have 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.810 kibble in the gut, if you have remnants of that kibble that you fed on Tuesday, yes. 00:17:25.810 --> 00:17:27.340 Still lingering in the gut, having. 00:17:27.745 --> 00:17:29.095 Gotten all the way out. 00:17:29.635 --> 00:17:34.105 If fruit or plant food sits on top of that, it's not gonna create 00:17:34.105 --> 00:17:37.105 the mess that raw meat does. 00:17:37.255 --> 00:17:43.075 So if you feed raw meat on top of kibble, say if you feed kibble on Tuesday and you 00:17:43.075 --> 00:17:44.995 wanna introduce raw meat on Wednesday. 00:17:45.305 --> 00:17:49.265 Well, there's a possibility that that, and many people have discovered 00:17:49.265 --> 00:17:54.005 this from trying to transition their dog slowly by mixing raw and kibble 00:17:54.005 --> 00:17:56.705 together raw meat and kibble together. 00:17:57.125 --> 00:17:59.855 Um, and I did that once and it was a huge mistake. 00:17:59.855 --> 00:18:03.635 And that's how I know that it's, it can have very bad consequences. 00:18:03.875 --> 00:18:06.095 The consequences are not life threatening. 00:18:06.100 --> 00:18:07.390 They're not acute, they're just. 00:18:07.885 --> 00:18:14.755 Messy because a dog will vomit or have diarrhea if the meat sits on top of 00:18:14.755 --> 00:18:20.815 the kibble and ies because the poisons that are created when meat sits around 00:18:20.815 --> 00:18:24.985 in the gut and ies are pretty severe. 00:18:24.985 --> 00:18:27.475 They're, they're, they're, they're poisonous, right? 00:18:27.475 --> 00:18:28.255 They're toxic. 00:18:28.310 --> 00:18:32.785 So the body has to get rid of that, and dogs are set up to. 00:18:33.045 --> 00:18:35.925 Eat some decomposing food, right? 00:18:35.925 --> 00:18:41.355 They will eat rotting carryon, but sometimes the body will just go, wait 00:18:41.355 --> 00:18:43.455 a minute, we've got kibble in here. 00:18:43.455 --> 00:18:45.495 Now we've got raw meat coming in. 00:18:46.035 --> 00:18:46.785 I'm just gonna. 00:18:47.215 --> 00:18:50.875 Cut my losses and get rid of this whole mess and start over. 00:18:51.175 --> 00:18:54.385 And that's what, and so it's, it's a crapshoot, right? 00:18:54.385 --> 00:18:57.175 You never know which dogs you're gonna have that kind of problem with. 00:18:57.475 --> 00:19:02.965 So the, the, the way to do that is to either fast the day, complete fast, the 00:19:02.965 --> 00:19:06.835 dog completely, which means they get nothing at all on Wednesday except water. 00:19:07.135 --> 00:19:08.335 But if you don't wanna do that. 00:19:08.845 --> 00:19:10.285 You can try feeding fruit. 00:19:10.345 --> 00:19:15.055 If the dog refuses fruit, then you can feed this combination or just cook 00:19:15.055 --> 00:19:20.065 yams, combination of quinoa, yams, or just yams for that transition day. 00:19:20.185 --> 00:19:23.845 And then on Thursday you will generally see the orange poops. 00:19:24.460 --> 00:19:28.960 Come out from having eaten the, uh, cooked yams before, the day before. 00:19:29.080 --> 00:19:31.570 And that gives you the all clear signal Yes. 00:19:31.600 --> 00:19:35.170 That everything has been cleaned out in the, in the intestinal 00:19:35.170 --> 00:19:40.030 tract, and you can safely feed raw meat the next day and bones. 00:19:40.300 --> 00:19:41.590 Anke: Oh, that makes so much sense. 00:19:41.590 --> 00:19:47.860 And that also explains why people feel, I think it's off probably, I would imagine. 00:19:48.790 --> 00:19:51.610 They see the thing and draw the wrong conclusions. 00:19:51.670 --> 00:19:56.170 It's almost like they put it together and think, oh, we like my dog can't 00:19:56.170 --> 00:19:59.530 handle the rapid trend like change. 00:19:59.530 --> 00:20:01.720 So we need to transition slower. 00:20:02.020 --> 00:20:04.690 So you, it's actually the other way around. 00:20:04.690 --> 00:20:07.960 It's like it's just the mixing that's actually the problem. 00:20:08.260 --> 00:20:09.880 That makes so much sense. 00:20:10.120 --> 00:20:13.150 Nora: Yeah, and it's actually worse than that because they will blame raw food. 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:14.560 They will blame germs. 00:20:14.770 --> 00:20:16.090 They will go back to the vet. 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.300 And say, oh, my dog threw up yesterday. 00:20:18.300 --> 00:20:19.020 What should I do? 00:20:19.020 --> 00:20:21.510 And then they get drugs on top of everything else. 00:20:21.930 --> 00:20:22.440 Anke: Oh yeah. 00:20:22.530 --> 00:20:27.360 Nora: Um, so yeah, it could be disastrous for people to try raw food, raw feeding 00:20:27.630 --> 00:20:28.950 without knowing what they're doing. 00:20:28.950 --> 00:20:33.540 I even had that to happen to, you know, to myself 25 years ago. 00:20:33.570 --> 00:20:33.690 And. 00:20:34.310 --> 00:20:39.470 To my, uh, my customers, my dog walking customers, because, um, 00:20:39.770 --> 00:20:43.670 they would try it and I would go, oh yeah, that, so that's a problem. 00:20:43.670 --> 00:20:48.470 So I started, you know, formulating these ideas and going, there's a way, 00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:54.200 there's a way to prevent all of that, those problems that could be disastrous 00:20:54.410 --> 00:20:58.520 by just, um, giving, making sure that the, the intestinal tract, the 00:20:58.520 --> 00:21:03.080 digestive system is completely clear before you start feeding raw meat. 00:21:04.170 --> 00:21:07.705 Anke: I, I mean, it's one of those things like, you know, when you explain it like 00:21:07.705 --> 00:21:09.505 that, it's like, oh, it feels so obvious. 00:21:10.975 --> 00:21:14.725 But I think it's one of those things that somebody needs to point you to because 00:21:14.725 --> 00:21:17.155 it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion. 00:21:17.510 --> 00:21:17.890 For sure. 00:21:18.470 --> 00:21:18.850 For sure. 00:21:19.435 --> 00:21:24.925 So are there specific, say, you were mentioning before, how, you 00:21:24.925 --> 00:21:29.485 know, I guess people are aware that nutrition has a massive impact on. 00:21:30.205 --> 00:21:33.595 On health and can even reverse diseases. 00:21:33.835 --> 00:21:36.685 So if my dog has something. 00:21:36.895 --> 00:21:40.945 So are there specific things that, you know, you say, okay, if a 00:21:40.945 --> 00:21:45.715 dog is ill in one way or another, like, is does it change the 00:21:45.715 --> 00:21:47.635 nutrition or would you apply that? 00:21:48.085 --> 00:21:51.205 Um, same protocol all, all the way through. 00:21:52.285 --> 00:21:58.585 Nora: There are actually very few conditions that require anything specific 00:21:58.585 --> 00:22:05.965 because what rotational model feeding RMF will do is it basically removes all of the 00:22:05.965 --> 00:22:14.245 causes of disease because, um, everything contained in kibble and commercial dog 00:22:14.245 --> 00:22:17.905 food, um, contributes to disease, right? 00:22:17.905 --> 00:22:20.455 All of those substandard. 00:22:21.625 --> 00:22:26.485 Waste y you know, wasteful products, those, um, they're, 00:22:26.485 --> 00:22:29.935 they're basically waste products of the food processing industry. 00:22:29.935 --> 00:22:33.355 That's what goes, that's what the commercial pet food industry is all about. 00:22:33.355 --> 00:22:40.180 It's just the disposal arm of the food, human food processing industry, and all 00:22:40.180 --> 00:22:43.105 of those things combined create disease. 00:22:43.405 --> 00:22:46.675 Those things create disease well, when you stop feeding those things 00:22:46.705 --> 00:22:48.805 and the dog's body is only getting. 00:22:49.375 --> 00:22:55.885 Those foods, which he has, um, intrinsic familiarity with, let's 00:22:55.885 --> 00:23:02.155 say biological ad adaptation for then the causes are removed, right? 00:23:02.365 --> 00:23:04.105 The causes of all disease. 00:23:04.105 --> 00:23:06.775 It's not just some disease, it's all disease. 00:23:07.285 --> 00:23:11.005 And once you start, and that's, that's the beauty of natural hygiene, which 00:23:11.005 --> 00:23:14.875 is the body of print, the body of knowledge that underlies all of this. 00:23:15.085 --> 00:23:16.855 It's just life science, right? 00:23:16.855 --> 00:23:18.355 It's just the science of life. 00:23:19.885 --> 00:23:25.225 Um, the beauty is once you remove the cause, the body does the healing. 00:23:25.405 --> 00:23:26.875 The body does the healing. 00:23:27.085 --> 00:23:30.175 You don't need substances, you don't need remedies, you don't need 00:23:30.175 --> 00:23:32.605 oils, you don't need supplements. 00:23:32.755 --> 00:23:35.305 You don't need any products. 00:23:35.365 --> 00:23:38.395 And that's why I don't sell any products. 00:23:38.395 --> 00:23:41.125 I would love to be able to sell products because it sure makes. 00:23:41.590 --> 00:23:45.910 Earning a living a lot easier, but I can't, it would make me a hypocrite 00:23:45.940 --> 00:23:51.580 because once you remove the cause of disease, the body does the healing 00:23:51.610 --> 00:23:53.170 if you just get outta the way. 00:23:53.170 --> 00:23:55.240 That's what we're doing with this. 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:00.400 So there are very few conditions I can't even think of, I mean, I can't even think 00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:06.640 of one that would require, uh, a different protocol than, uh, than the others. 00:24:06.730 --> 00:24:07.360 Um. 00:24:08.140 --> 00:24:11.200 Because we're always, you know, for kidney, kidney disease, for example, 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:13.990 we're always being told by vets that they need a low protein diet. 00:24:14.020 --> 00:24:18.220 Well, that's not true because it's not eating too much protein that caused 00:24:18.220 --> 00:24:19.780 the kidney disease in the first place. 00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:23.830 It was commercial pet food, which has cooked proteins which are taxing on 00:24:23.830 --> 00:24:29.080 the kidneys and not enough protein and too much fat and all of that. 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:32.230 So you're removing that and just giving the dog. 00:24:32.620 --> 00:24:38.470 The foods that the kidneys are set up to digest, to, um, deal with, then the 00:24:38.470 --> 00:24:40.030 kidneys are gonna resolve themselves. 00:24:40.030 --> 00:24:43.480 They're gonna sort themselves out so that that's not even true. 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:47.710 So, um, yeah, I, I just can't even think of a single condition that 00:24:47.710 --> 00:24:50.410 requires a special feeding protocol. 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:56.740 RMF pretty much across the board removes causes of disease. 00:24:56.740 --> 00:24:56.830 Hmm. 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:57.280 Anke: I 00:24:57.280 --> 00:24:57.610 Nora: mean that, 00:24:57.655 --> 00:24:58.900 Anke: that makes so much sense. 00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:01.060 And I guess you're probably not popular amongst veterinarian and, 00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:03.790 and pet food industry, right? 00:25:05.230 --> 00:25:09.520 Nora: No, uh, unfortunately, unfortunately, except for the, 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:15.460 the dog owning proletariat out there, RMF doesn't really. 00:25:16.090 --> 00:25:19.990 RMF is in the cross hairs of so many industries. 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:21.790 Nobody likes us. 00:25:21.850 --> 00:25:25.660 Um, I mean everybody has except the dogs, I would imagine, except the 00:25:25.660 --> 00:25:29.115 dogs and, and people who want, and the people who want the dogs to live. 00:25:30.565 --> 00:25:32.545 Because product sellers hate us. 00:25:32.545 --> 00:25:36.085 And I mean, I try to tell people, you don't need supplements, you don't 00:25:36.085 --> 00:25:38.905 need oils, you don't need products or remedies or blah, blah, blah. 00:25:39.235 --> 00:25:42.295 Every time I say this, I that I make a new enemy. 00:25:42.715 --> 00:25:46.735 I mean, I have so many people blocked on Facebook that, uh, I 00:25:46.735 --> 00:25:50.185 mean probably my enemies list is longer than my friends list, but 00:25:50.335 --> 00:25:51.570 that's, people are in their living. 00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:54.840 Selling those things and it becomes very personal to them. 00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:59.820 It starts to feel to them like a personal attack when I tell people they don't 00:25:59.820 --> 00:26:01.590 need to buy supplements or remedies. 00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:02.640 Mm-hmm. 00:26:03.090 --> 00:26:04.980 Anke: But I guess it's the same with people, right? 00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:08.610 It's almost like you, it's the same principle. 00:26:09.205 --> 00:26:12.415 I mean, I guess there's doctor and everybody is like, here's pills 00:26:12.415 --> 00:26:13.855 and here's this and here's that. 00:26:13.855 --> 00:26:17.245 And, and just kind of puffing around on the surface kind of 00:26:17.245 --> 00:26:19.315 treating, treating symptoms. 00:26:19.315 --> 00:26:24.385 And I was lucky enough with, with, um, with my Leo initially when he got, 00:26:24.415 --> 00:26:27.595 because obviously, I mean, I didn't know, you know, I found him in the street. 00:26:27.925 --> 00:26:29.725 You know, it was like, okay, I've got a dog now. 00:26:29.725 --> 00:26:30.145 Great. 00:26:30.385 --> 00:26:33.055 You know, I mean, I wanted a dog, but I'd never had one. 00:26:33.055 --> 00:26:39.355 And so obviously what the vet tells me, I didn't expect it to be so off the mark. 00:26:39.355 --> 00:26:39.805 Right. 00:26:40.045 --> 00:26:42.595 So yeah, I started out, oh, okay. 00:26:42.595 --> 00:26:47.005 Gave you a cable and he would, you know, and he had skin problems. 00:26:47.380 --> 00:26:47.860 Right. 00:26:48.070 --> 00:26:50.920 And it was always a struggle to get him to eat. 00:26:51.130 --> 00:26:54.340 Like he'd have his little bowl and you'd always like, kind of like, you 00:26:54.340 --> 00:26:57.790 know, always have to encourage him like he didn't want it, you know? 00:26:57.790 --> 00:26:57.880 Mm-hmm. 00:26:58.245 --> 00:27:02.530 And, and so when I then stumbled across this book and like, and I 00:27:02.530 --> 00:27:04.300 go, oh no, don't feed him that. 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.200 And I looked at the label of the dog food. 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:08.890 I was sold. 00:27:08.890 --> 00:27:10.870 I'm like, I'm not giving that, you know? 00:27:10.870 --> 00:27:15.700 So I changed away probably not even to something that would. 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:17.590 I don't know. 00:27:17.590 --> 00:27:18.400 I can't even remember. 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:24.460 Like I, I did start kind of not buy stuff, you know, but probably 00:27:24.460 --> 00:27:25.810 still made lots of mistakes. 00:27:25.810 --> 00:27:31.570 But the thing was, his skin problems were gone within a few days, really, you know? 00:27:31.570 --> 00:27:32.915 And yeah, there's so many. 00:27:33.175 --> 00:27:37.870 And he ate, all of a sudden he had so much appetite and all of a sudden, you 00:27:37.870 --> 00:27:42.100 know, he didn't poop five times a day and like literally a lot, all his issues 00:27:42.100 --> 00:27:43.960 were like gone away within a week. 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:44.770 Nora: Right. 00:27:45.295 --> 00:27:48.235 And so many conditions don't require optimal. 00:27:48.595 --> 00:27:49.375 You can. 00:27:49.765 --> 00:27:53.515 And that's why people, they try to replicate commercial food, they think 00:27:53.515 --> 00:27:55.795 that's the ideal to strive for, right? 00:27:55.795 --> 00:28:00.445 So they try to replicate commercial pet food in their kitchens and just 00:28:00.445 --> 00:28:03.115 doing that can solve a lot of problems. 00:28:03.145 --> 00:28:03.265 Yeah. 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:04.320 Um, and pe. 00:28:04.350 --> 00:28:06.630 So people go out and they go, well, I feed this and this, and I 00:28:06.630 --> 00:28:09.900 throw everything in the crockpot and my dog's allergies went away. 00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:14.700 And you know, but the problem is later on, that's not ideal either. 00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:18.720 So the dog will show some improvements initially, but then later on 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.100 they will develop more problems. 00:28:20.100 --> 00:28:23.640 Well, rotational mono feeding is pretty much the best, right? 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.740 It's taken from what we know about. 00:28:26.305 --> 00:28:27.955 Wild dog behavior. 00:28:28.405 --> 00:28:28.555 Mm-hmm. 00:28:28.585 --> 00:28:29.335 Wild dog. 00:28:29.335 --> 00:28:30.505 We can still observe them. 00:28:30.505 --> 00:28:31.285 We track them. 00:28:31.285 --> 00:28:34.435 We have, they have GPS trackers on their collars now. 00:28:34.705 --> 00:28:38.875 We see everything they eat, everything they do, every step they take, we see 00:28:38.875 --> 00:28:43.735 their, their wounds heal naturally with no stitching up and no antibiotics. 00:28:44.035 --> 00:28:48.475 And you know, sure, sometimes they die, but very often they don't. 00:28:48.475 --> 00:28:51.475 And they have very serious injuries because they're. 00:28:51.935 --> 00:28:53.495 Food fights back, right? 00:28:53.525 --> 00:28:53.585 Yeah. 00:28:53.585 --> 00:28:55.325 Their food wants to go on living. 00:28:55.685 --> 00:29:03.515 So, um, we see we have the means to watch wild dogs and see what they eat and the 00:29:03.515 --> 00:29:06.245 closer we can get to that, the better. 00:29:06.665 --> 00:29:06.965 Anke: Yeah. 00:29:07.145 --> 00:29:10.115 I mean, that makes, boy, that makes all the sense in the world. 00:29:10.475 --> 00:29:11.585 And, um. 00:29:15.475 --> 00:29:20.095 I'm, I'm just like, my mind just sort of processing because it feels like 00:29:20.095 --> 00:29:25.795 it's, it makes so much sense and people need to, you know, I guess we sort of 00:29:25.795 --> 00:29:30.055 coming to our senses for people, you know, and I think with dog, and I always 00:29:30.055 --> 00:29:34.435 think dog food is, dogs don't complain, they gobble up, whatever, you know. 00:29:34.435 --> 00:29:36.085 So I think it's, it's, it's easier. 00:29:36.085 --> 00:29:37.405 I read some Oh, that's right. 00:29:37.825 --> 00:29:39.055 I, um. 00:29:40.825 --> 00:29:45.235 I remember reading, I, I'm pretty sure you, you know, the details of that, 00:29:45.235 --> 00:29:51.145 that, um, all these health problems with like, the dogs kind of have, you 00:29:51.145 --> 00:29:55.345 know, get cancer and that dog's kind of diet 10 years, that that's all 00:29:55.345 --> 00:29:57.685 stuff that's actually all very recent. 00:29:58.105 --> 00:29:58.255 Yes. 00:29:58.255 --> 00:30:01.585 That you can literally, I remember reading something that they said, 00:30:01.585 --> 00:30:05.365 well, you can literally track it back to when commercial dog food was 00:30:05.365 --> 00:30:07.465 introduced, that all these things happen. 00:30:08.245 --> 00:30:08.575 Nora: Yes. 00:30:09.115 --> 00:30:12.535 Unfortunately it happens sort of, um. 00:30:13.165 --> 00:30:16.435 Concurrently with a lot of other bad things that have happened 00:30:16.435 --> 00:30:20.485 too, like jabbing dogs with chemicals, if you know what I mean. 00:30:20.995 --> 00:30:24.385 And, uh, and the, the increasing, you know, amount 00:30:24.385 --> 00:30:26.485 of jabbing that we do to dogs. 00:30:26.665 --> 00:30:28.615 Um, I hope people know what I mean by that. 00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:31.070 And, uh, but it's mostly food. 00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:34.790 It is mostly food and also the drugging of dogs. 00:30:34.910 --> 00:30:39.470 And when you said dogs can't complain, it's absolutely true and that's what 00:30:39.470 --> 00:30:45.470 makes the fact that vets have become pretty much glorified drug reps. 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:50.300 Um, that's what makes it much worse for animals than it is for humans because. 00:30:50.905 --> 00:30:52.645 So many problems. 00:30:52.645 --> 00:30:57.235 So many health issues are made worse with the administration of drugs. 00:30:57.325 --> 00:31:02.965 And what the advantage that humans have is we can go to our doctor and say, you 00:31:02.965 --> 00:31:07.375 know, you gave me this drug for my symptom and the drug actually makes me feel worse. 00:31:07.735 --> 00:31:09.445 And so I'm gonna stop taking that drug. 00:31:09.445 --> 00:31:10.825 I would like a different drug. 00:31:11.245 --> 00:31:12.085 Um, whatever. 00:31:12.085 --> 00:31:13.675 They can do that. 00:31:13.945 --> 00:31:15.415 Well, you take your dog. 00:31:16.345 --> 00:31:21.955 And if you're not willing to undergo a lot of very expensive diagnostics, there is a 00:31:21.955 --> 00:31:27.085 lot of guesswork that goes into diagnosing a dog in the veterinary profession. 00:31:27.385 --> 00:31:33.295 And once they have a diagnosis that just tells 'em what drug to administer and 00:31:33.295 --> 00:31:38.575 when the drug is administered, if the owner sees the original symptom, go away. 00:31:38.995 --> 00:31:41.065 That is success in the owner's mind. 00:31:41.215 --> 00:31:43.315 That is success in the vet's mind. 00:31:43.675 --> 00:31:47.995 That owner will be going back to get more of that remedy if they, 00:31:47.995 --> 00:31:52.525 if it's intended to be used lo longer, and they usually are, right? 00:31:52.525 --> 00:31:54.655 There's lifetime disease management. 00:31:54.655 --> 00:31:55.705 That's the goal, right? 00:31:55.795 --> 00:31:57.325 Of the pharmaceutical industry. 00:31:58.765 --> 00:32:03.775 But what dogs can't do is they can't tell the owner, no, my original symptom 00:32:03.805 --> 00:32:06.235 is gone away, but I actually feel worse. 00:32:06.535 --> 00:32:10.255 Yeah, I'd like to have my original symptom back because I feel worse. 00:32:10.315 --> 00:32:17.996 And we see this so much in these horrible drugs like Prednisone and Cytopoint and 00:32:18.025 --> 00:32:25.465 Apoquel and the steroids and um, which includes prednisone and so many others. 00:32:25.525 --> 00:32:28.170 Um, where dogs just, they have. 00:32:28.630 --> 00:32:34.660 Seizures and, um, you know, neurological issues and paralysis 00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:35.410 and those kinds of things. 00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:40.150 It's, it's just, it's horrible, you know, as long as what we see after we administer 00:32:40.150 --> 00:32:45.430 a drug is not worse than the original symptom, we think that that's successful. 00:32:45.430 --> 00:32:47.260 Well, it's not, it's not. 00:32:47.290 --> 00:32:49.210 What we need to do is stay away from the vet. 00:32:50.455 --> 00:32:54.055 Figure out what's you know, causing, and I've already told everybody 00:32:54.055 --> 00:32:58.405 here, right here in this podcast that it's commercial pet food, right? 00:32:58.405 --> 00:32:59.305 Just change that. 00:32:59.305 --> 00:33:02.605 You don't have to worry about your dog's psychological security if the 00:33:02.605 --> 00:33:06.775 right food is going in his mouth, because his body is going to then 00:33:06.775 --> 00:33:09.265 have enough energy to heal itself. 00:33:10.180 --> 00:33:10.600 It's that 00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:13.510 Anke: self-healing that makes so much sense, right? 00:33:13.690 --> 00:33:13.780 Yes. 00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:16.780 So it's almost like it's not our job to heal the dog, it's 00:33:16.780 --> 00:33:20.170 to create the environment where the, the body can heal itself. 00:33:20.410 --> 00:33:22.120 And that's like, it's the same for people. 00:33:22.600 --> 00:33:22.870 Nora: Yes. 00:33:22.870 --> 00:33:23.290 You know, 00:33:23.560 --> 00:33:25.900 Anke: so it makes, it makes all the sense in the world. 00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:26.320 So. 00:33:27.370 --> 00:33:29.560 Can you just put that book up again? 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.280 Like, you know, obviously we're gonna pop the link in the, in the show notes, and 00:33:33.280 --> 00:33:39.100 where can people find out more about you, you know, any questions they have and, 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.580 and, you know, work with you or get in 00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:42.910 Nora: touch. 00:33:44.485 --> 00:33:50.185 Uh, well, probably the best way, I mean, I'm most attentive to Facebook, 00:33:50.185 --> 00:33:54.775 but if people just want the bare bones explanation of what it's all about, 00:33:55.165 --> 00:33:57.325 the website is a good place to start. 00:33:57.835 --> 00:34:00.805 Um, and it's rotational mono feeding.com. 00:34:01.105 --> 00:34:02.605 RMF, pets for short. 00:34:03.145 --> 00:34:05.335 RMF Pets, you can do either. 00:34:05.875 --> 00:34:09.265 Um, my website originally was called No More Vet Bills because 00:34:09.265 --> 00:34:10.855 I really wanted to encourage love. 00:34:11.905 --> 00:34:14.395 I wanted to encourage people to stay away from the vet 00:34:14.395 --> 00:34:16.020 industry because it has become. 00:34:17.050 --> 00:34:22.090 In effect kind of predatory, just like the human, um, pharmaceutical industry 00:34:22.090 --> 00:34:23.950 or the human, you know, medical industry. 00:34:24.155 --> 00:34:27.310 You, you really, your goal should be to just stay away from it. 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:28.240 Just avoid it. 00:34:28.240 --> 00:34:30.610 It's, it's for emergency care. 00:34:30.790 --> 00:34:30.910 Yeah. 00:34:30.940 --> 00:34:32.140 It's not for disease. 00:34:32.200 --> 00:34:35.140 It's, they, they function best as trauma care. 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:36.350 Not for disease. 00:34:36.350 --> 00:34:40.070 So we just wanna avoid disease, we wanna prevent it, reverse it if it's already 00:34:40.070 --> 00:34:41.810 there, and then just stay away from them. 00:34:42.380 --> 00:34:45.530 So, um, anyway, I have a, so I have a couple Facebook groups. 00:34:45.530 --> 00:34:50.540 I have a public Facebook group with 22,000 members, and then I have a, a private 00:34:50.540 --> 00:34:54.560 Facebook group, which is subscription only, and that's the one that I moderate. 00:34:54.620 --> 00:34:57.230 I answer people's questions every day. 00:34:57.230 --> 00:35:02.360 I do a weekly podcast for the subscribers, uh, where I take their questions. 00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:03.710 That's every Saturday. 00:35:03.765 --> 00:35:08.655 I have a YouTube channel under my name and one under rotational mono feeding with 00:35:08.655 --> 00:35:10.215 lots of interviews just like this one. 00:35:10.635 --> 00:35:14.175 Um, and some other like webinars and whatnot. 00:35:14.505 --> 00:35:19.455 And, um, inst I have a slight presence on Instagram. 00:35:20.025 --> 00:35:22.970 Um, and I think that's pretty much it. 00:35:24.415 --> 00:35:24.835 Anke: Awesome. 00:35:24.835 --> 00:35:26.155 Well thank you so much. 00:35:26.575 --> 00:35:30.775 Really, really enlightening and insightful and you know, I think 00:35:30.955 --> 00:35:33.895 we're all gonna go and run and get that book now, so I hope so. 00:35:35.785 --> 00:35:39.145 You know, because our dogs will definitely, and I have, have a sense that 00:35:39.145 --> 00:35:43.285 I think, you know, we are gonna learn some stuff for our own health as well, 00:35:43.285 --> 00:35:46.855 because as you said before, there's more parallels and there are differences. 00:35:46.855 --> 00:35:49.675 So that was definitely really wonderful point. 00:35:49.675 --> 00:35:50.935 So thank you so much. 00:35:51.450 --> 00:35:51.780 Nora: Yes. 00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:55.320 I like to, in fact, think of my book as a portal for people to start thinking about 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.850 their own health because many times people are threatened by the idea of changing 00:35:59.850 --> 00:36:03.990 themselves, but when they go ahead and make changes for their dog, it's like put, 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.430 you don't have to do anything different. 00:36:05.430 --> 00:36:06.750 You just put different food in the bowl. 00:36:06.750 --> 00:36:10.410 You don't have to dress your addictions to put different food in the bowl, but you do 00:36:10.410 --> 00:36:14.310 that and you see these miraculous changes in your dog, and you go, wait a second. 00:36:14.580 --> 00:36:16.110 I could probably do that for me too. 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:17.360 And they do. 00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:22.280 And it has been, uh, effective in that way for so many people, so. 00:36:22.310 --> 00:36:22.725 Oh, I love that. 00:36:22.725 --> 00:36:25.190 I love, anyway, I love, I won't flab on anymore. 00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:28.430 I'm so thankful for this opportunity to talk to you this morning Anki. 00:36:28.430 --> 00:36:28.700 So. 00:36:28.730 --> 00:36:28.880 Well, 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.760 Anke: thank you so much and thank you for sharing all of this. 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.860 Like they were like you, I was gonna like, wait, what? 00:36:33.860 --> 00:36:34.965 My mind was amazing. 00:36:35.660 --> 00:36:39.290 So, so much, so much insight in, in such a short amount of time. 00:36:39.290 --> 00:36:40.700 So I'm incredibly grateful. 00:36:40.700 --> 00:36:41.540 Thank you so much. 00:36:42.050 --> 00:36:43.250 Nora: Alright, you're welcome. 00:36:43.250 --> 00:36:44.600 Have a good evening. 00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:45.200 You too. 00:36:46.370 --> 00:36:47.600 Thanks so much for listening. 00:36:48.120 --> 00:36:52.420 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:36:52.520 --> 00:36:54.300 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:36:55.090 --> 00:36:58.580 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:04.580 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:37:04.680 --> 00:37:07.050 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:37:07.050 --> 00:37:10.780 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:12.340 I'd love an introduction. 00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:14.650 Email me at Anke. 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.155 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.