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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Well, good morning. We're

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a couple of friends talk about the
Bible and fun and practical way, fun

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and practical ways. You know what. I'm in the mood to be fun

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and practical okay, and I'm feeling
mildly friendly today. Mildly friendly. Yeah,

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that's great. It's creeping up on
me. Hey, you know,

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give me a minute. At least
you're honest, right, you know it's

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important self awareness, Jeff, good
job. So anyway, well, hey,

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today, we are starting with a
segment that we it's a rare segment,

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but when people write in at times, sometimes they write in questions that

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they want to know the answer touestions
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get it to us and they call
it stump the pastor yes. So anyway,

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that kind of good stuff. So hey,

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you want to tackle it. Okay, So ivy b hi ivy Hi're

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so glad that you wrote this in
And this is a great question. I

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bet you lots of people wonder about
this. It says I stumbled on this

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verse while reading the Bible and was
wondering our tattoos a sin. According to

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Levitigus nineteen twenty eight, it says, do not cut your bodies for the

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dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the lord. If so,

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does it not conflict or conflict with
Revelation nineteen sixteen, where it says

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on his robe and on his thigh
he has the name, this name written

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King of kings and Lord of lords
talking about Jesus. Right, So there

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you go. There it is that
you have Levitgus nineteen versus Revelation nineteen.

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Oh how about that? Whoa so
ahead souts versus Revelation today today, today,

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Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. That's
funny. So yeah, So,

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first of all, it's just comment
on the fact that twenty twenty four,

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Uh, I think we can all
agree tattoos are pretty much everywhere, Yeah,

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everywhere, yeah, they're everywhere.
Everybody has a tattoo. Just about

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most pastors, I know a lot
of them do, a lot of them

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do. Yeah. I'm not sure
if most, but I bet you it's

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I bet it's close to most.
Yeah. Everybody under forty, Yeah,

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everybody. That's exactly it. That's
exactly it. It's anybody under forty.

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That's why it's most, right,
it's more most at the order we get

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right, that's funny. So has
everybody else got the mark of the beast?

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Oh no, no, jeez?
So what do What do you say

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when you don't like something? You
say? Oh no, oh no,

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you say no no. By the
way, if I ever tell a funny

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joke and it's right, U kind
of the cutting edge, and Jeff goes,

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oh no, him subconsciously separating himself
from my statement. Don't laugh,

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don't smile, don't let it touch
your faith, don't don't send any approval.

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My wife does that all the time. She says funny things and I

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go, oh no, and then
she knocks me for it too. So,

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okay, let's tackle the verse,
or let's here we go the issue.

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So, so I think the short
answer is this. The short answer

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is in Leviticus. Uh, Jesus
was giving specific laws to a Jewish culture

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for Mosar. Excuse me, sorry, did I say Jesus. I obviously

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know that Jesus wasn't the one given
unless you he's the word. Jesus is

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the word. Hey. By the
way, I saw a podcast yesterday that

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talked about you know, uh,
so you know we're talking about Moses,

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right. So God it says that
he wrote the stone tablets with with his

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finger, right, and then Jesus
when when the woman was caught in adultery,

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he duped and he wrote in the
dust in his finger. And he

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said, I wonder if he wrote
nowshot doc coument adultery or whatever. And

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he said, but either way,
he said, it is the same finger,

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right, because God and Jesus are
one. So technically, theologically,

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Jesus is the word. Yes,
the beginning was the word, with God

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the word. Theologically, I think
I could say, yeah, Moses is

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the one who wrote Leviticus. So
anyway, but it was given to a

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very specific Jewish culture for specific reasons, and it was also largely connected to

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the customs and perceptions of that day, which is why it says other things

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like you know, they're not supposed
to take a razor to any hair on

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their head, right, Yeah,
Well, the verse rate before this says,

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don't trim the edges of your beard
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hair. So this is why even
today Orthodox Jews, you'll see the men

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will have the big long curls on
the side. Is because of that verse

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rate before this verse right, right, And then that's why they grow,

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you know, they'll grow longer beards, and the older than men are,

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the longer their beards are a lot
of times right in that And that's why

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is because the very specific laws to
the Jewish people at that time. So,

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yeah, there's a difference between moral
law, don't kill, don't steal.

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Right, Jesus is really clear.
He didn't come to banish or change

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moral law. As a matter of
fact, he re ups all of the

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moral laws. What Jesus came to
do, though, is he fulfilled all

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of the levitical laws. So then
the question is on this one, what

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is the purpose? So do not
cut your bodies for the dead or put

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tattoo marks on yourselves. Traditionally,
there were a lot of pagan rituals where

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they would cut themselves shed their own
blood. They would have scars on their

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body acknowledging and representing the fact that
they're carrying their dead people with them or

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something like that. And then the
same thing with the tattoos. The tattoos

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would often either define their religious worship
of dead, which there's cultures all around

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the world that still worship their dead
right and so that or they would do

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the tattoo to acknowledge the ownership of
the God that they have in their life

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that owns them right, So that
would be a big part of that as

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opposed to decorative tattooing today might be
a little bit different, but I would

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say that this probably falls I think
most theologians would say this falls within the

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levitical laws, not the moral laws. Moral laws have to do with you

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and God, and you and people
love God love, people, don't kill,

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don't have any other gods before me, those kinds of things, right,

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But when it comes to these kinds
of things, this is probably more

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about the don't have any other gods
before me. It's a pagan thing.

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But if you really want to get
into it, and I think we were

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talking about this right before the show
started in Rome, is fourteen, Paul

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says, you know, there's a
lot of those kind of laws that you

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know, should you eat meat that's
offered idols or shouldn't you? Right?

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And so these are non Jewish people, so they're not bound by Jewish law

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though, and he was a pharisee, right. The Apostles had already determined

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this in the Book of Acts,
that the Gentiles weren't bound by Jewish law

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per se, the moral code,
yes, but not the Jewish law.

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And so Paul is saying here then, in Rome's fourteen, just don't sin

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against your conscience. And in uh, what was it? I just wrote

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it down here a minute ago,
Corinthians first, Corinthians six, he says

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in verse twelve, he says,
everything is permissible from me, but not

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everything is beneficial. So that's really
the issue, is Okay, on the

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one side, don't sin against your
conscience, he says, for whatever does

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not proceed from faith is sin.
So if you're doubting, gee, maybe

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I shouldn't, then you shouldn't,
right, because you're not able to do

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it by faith. And then not
everything that is that is good or not

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everything that we can do we should
do, not everything that is permissible to

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us, is beneficial to us,
and so I think you have to weigh

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those things. I personally don't believe
it's sinful. I do think that there

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are advantages and disadvantages to tattooing,
and so it just depends on your conscience

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with regard to that one. Yeah, is that consistent with what you believe?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and
then let's tackle Yeah, that's exactly

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what I believe. In fact,
I would then add my personal feeling on

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it as well. And I believe
because tattoos today, and again a lot

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of it has to do with culture. So I would imagine that back then

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tattoos were most likely only on pagan
worship leader yeahs. And so if you

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saw a tattoo, then you probably
almost you know, in the streets,

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you would probably say, well,
that's a pagan worship leader, right,

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whereas today it is or that you
are participant, that you were a participant

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participant, right, because we know
it's changing peoples. They had tattoos,

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yes, So most of the time, a lot of times tattoos were identifying

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slaves. So then people would tattoo
themselves to demonstrate that they were a slave

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to their gods. So Yeah,
there are all kinds of reasons I ever

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thought about that. Yeah, but
because tattoos culturally are are not perceived that

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way at all, And because of
what you said, which is, you

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know, being under the levitical law
and all things are you know, beneficial

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expedient and all those things. I
personally think that tattoos can be something that's

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really positive. So I actually like
them a lot. I have often thought

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about getting a tattoo. I just
can't bring myself to do it, not

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because of conviction, because of the
pain involved. So I just don't want

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to mess as a touch delegate.
Yeah, so my wife actually makes fun

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of me and she goes, really
she goes, that's why she goes,

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that's the reason why. And I
said, well, that's partly the reason

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why, you know, but it's
probably partly because I'm fifty, and it's

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like I've waited this long way.
Why do it at fifty? Right?

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Yeah, that's right, Well why
would you ruin this incredible canvasy this canvas?

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But anyway, so I actually think
the tattoos are pretty awesome, and

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I think that they a lot of
them. I don't want to say that

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all tattoos are awesome, right,
like the guy who put the Lombardi trophy

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and said lines, oh yeah,
yeah, that was terrible, bad choice.

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But across or something like that,
right, where it's a testimony thing.

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Ye, yeah, So I would
I would go back to the one

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phrase. I would not dismiss any
of the Old Testament laws as being cultural.

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I think that that happens sometimes.
So it's not because it was just

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a cultural thing back then, and
culture. I was pointing out that the

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cultures right, right, So culture, culture doesn't change God's word. God's

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word should change culture, right,
right. But what I'm saying is,

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in this context, it was written
specifically for the Jewish society, right.

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It was written for them to them
as an act within the levitical portion of

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the law, not the moral code, but within the levitical portion of the

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law, which had to do with
being set apart from the rest to the

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world. That's the Jews. We're
set apart from the rest of the world.

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They were supposed to be God's holy
people. They were supposed to be

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different in every way, which we
are too. Certainly right, come out

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from among them and be separate,
says the Lord right, and Paul reaffirms

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that idea. So we're not supposed
to be just like the world all the

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time. If you're doing it so
that you're like the world, that would

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be I think wrong. If you're
doing it for the purpose of testimony or

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because of some significant event in your
life, and it's not that you're identifying

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with a pagan thing. I think
as gentiles we are not bound by that

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levitical law. That would be the
thing. So it's not a cultural thing.

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It's are we bound by that portional
law or not? And for some

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people, I think, in for
all of us, I think it can

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be a little confusing when you look
into that. So that's why Paul would

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say, especially you have to do
it by faith and don't sin against your

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conscience, and then consider is this
the beneficial thing for what you're trying to

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accomplish in your life. And then
it also says the second verse, which

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is Revelation nineteen sixteen, because she
asks a follow up question, Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, so's it's Lividicus
nineteen versus Revelation nineteen Yeah, that's right.

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And so she's saying, how does
it how does it not conflict or

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conflict with this verse? And again
it says on his which means Jesus's robe,

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and on his thigh he has the
name written King of King's the Lord

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of Lords. I would just say. So some people would say Jesus has

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a tattoo, right, which,
by the way, it doesn't say tattoo.

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I've actually whenever I've read that verse, I've always pictured war paint.

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Yeah, because you know it's it's
in that you know him coming again,

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right, So yeah, that's that's
what I was. It's on his robe.

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It could be a logo, yeah, a name tag, not like

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that. But it doesn't say it's
a tattoo. It could be a sharpie

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marker for all we know, yeah, sharpie. Right. The story it

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doesn't say on the skin of his
thigh, right, right, So it

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could be on his robe at his
thigh, right. It could be that

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it could be Hannah or something where
it's just a temporary tattoo. It could

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be that he used carcole and explain
for people what head has. It's a

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temporary tattoo, That's what I said. I know it's common in India,

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sure it was. It's common all
of the Middle East. My wife got

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one in uh Morocco on her hand, it's really pretty okay, But the

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idea being it does not say it's
a tattoo and does not say it's in

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his skin or that it's permanent.
Right, So, I know sometimes people

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would want to use that as justification. It's not. So it's not like

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we're pitying jesus tattoo against whether or
not you can have a tattoo. Then

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it also doesn't say just because Jesus
has his name on his right side doesn't

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mean you have to have your name
on your right thigh. Then if you're

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gonna get really specific, say well
Jesus has his name on his right thigh,

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I should be able to get a
tattoo too, Okay, then you

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have to put your title on your
thigh. That's all. That's the only

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thing to be permissible. Right,
So if you're going to start parsing words

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or using specific things like that,
well then it has to be precise.

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So if he's the king of kings, then you'd have to be the prince

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of princes, right, you know
what I mean? What could you write

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if you're going to just justify because
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I know a guy who was having
a rough night and went and got a

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tattoo of what's that Looney Tunes guy
that spins the Tasmani Tasmanian Devil? Yeah

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yeah, And then nothing in his
life would would indicate that he would get

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a cartoon character for a tattoo.
He was just drunk. He got a

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dumb tattoo, right, Yeah.
So it's not that we can just go

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put anything on our bodies if you're
going to try to use Jesus' name on

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his thigh as being a justification for
it, So it's it's a slippery slope

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if you're going to try to use
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went long. We had to move
on before we do. It is radically

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interesting that you mentioned Tasmanian devil with
tattoos, huh, Because when I was

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in Bible College, a friend of
mine who's still a pastor, whose name's

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JJ, he came to me because
I draw a little bit, and he

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said, I want you to draw
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arm, and I want you to
have him flex like this because he had

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he had he had some guns,
right, and he said, I want

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I want that, I want him
to be in his tornado, but I

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want him to be flexing. So
I drew that and he took it to

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a tattoo artist, got it on
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has it And then like instant message
me and he was like, hey man,

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remember this, like thirty years later
he still got it. Well that's

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the nature of tattoos. If he
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got it right, right, yeah, but so interesting, It's like I

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forget all about it, right because
for me it was a twenty minute,

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you know, thing of me drawing
something. Right, for him, it's

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a thirty year thing. So so
summarize, it's a levitical law directed right

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at Jews. You probably are a
gentile and not bound by that law.

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And then so then is it going
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are you sitting against your conscious to
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And I think the Jesus argument is
irrelevant? Ye, all right, Well

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let's move on because we have screw. So the news is we could take

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a long time on that one because
this passage, we're going through the two

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hundred and fifty events in Jesus' life
yep. And while every event is important.

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This one doesn't have a ton of
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to read three passages, Matthew,
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it says. In Matthew, chapter
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Jesus had finished saying all these things, remember all the things he's been teaching

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every morning and every afternoon in the
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he said to his disciples, as
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days, and the Son of Man
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At that same time, the leading
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of Caiaphas, the high Priest,
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him, but not during the Passover
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may riot. In Mark chapter fourteen, verse one, it says it was

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now two days before Passover, in
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leading priests and the teachers of religious
law were still looking for an opportunity to

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capture Jesus secretly and kill him,
but not during the Passover celebration, they

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agreed, or the people may riot. And then Luke chapter twenty two says

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the festival of unleavened Bread, which
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Leading priests and teachers of religious law
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but they were afraid of the people's
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so Passover would have began on a
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have been on Saturday. Would have
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evening and goes to a when Saturday
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and ends on Saturday. The passover
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days. No passover weeks a week, that's fat. I was like,

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what are you talking about? But
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Sabbath, the Sabbath of a passover
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difference between the festival that's just a
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the actual observance of Passover, sure, which would have taken place on the

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Sabbath. There's there's the Sabbath that
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I think is what I was trying
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so it begins a week earlier,
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this is that all the teaching that
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weeks, yeah, happened in the
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right, right, So we've been
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the first four days, and then
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hey, in two days is the
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confused. Yes, okay, so
the whole week is Passover week, right,

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but he's saying, hey, in
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which is why I was asking,
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itself is worth the price of admission
there you go, right, So and

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so anyway there, so they're plotting
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meeting in Caiaphas's house. Isn't it
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to Chias's house? No, it
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no, oh yeah, we went
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which is right near there. Okay, So I had the opportunity to go

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into Kivas's house and there's a lot
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accuracy of the sites. Yeah,
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a one, two, and three, And they rated Kivas's house as a

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one and they said that they said
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house of Caiaphas for these reasons blah
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it's just a magnificent structure. And
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would be sort of they utilized cave
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you know, the rock around them, which, by the way, it's

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amazing, isn't it. How you
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degree heat and then you could walk
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that it'd be hotter in a cave, but it's actually really cool, like

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to the point where hey, do
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isn't that crazy? By the way. But anyway, so a lot of

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Kivs's house was actually slightly built into
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sort of see where that dwelling was. It was magic, magnificent in big

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but there was also this like spiral
staircase that was built later that you were

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able to walk down into the dungeon
where prisoners were held before trial in Chives's

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house. So when Jesus was taken
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Chives's house, he would have been
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Wow. And so it was actually
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you get to go down this spiral
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pit made out of a cave,
and you're looking up and you're thinking,

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this is the only dungeon in Chives's
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Jesus was there, which means Jesus
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this pit awaiting his crucifixion. So, and by the way, and I'm

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talking like it was not why it
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to say this, maybe five by
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but it was round, and it
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powerful thing to be able to walk
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and was that. Let me read
this note as we wrap up this episode

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today, Luke, chapter twenty two, verse one. The note in the

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Life Application Bible will bring clarity to
the conversation. We were just having a

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second ago. I misspoke a little
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the age of twelve were required to
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which was followed by a seven day
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Right, So there's the Passover and
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which was still what they would call
the festival the Passover, right, those

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were, so it kind of gets
a little convoluted there, but it was

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followed by so Passover begins and then
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Does that? Does that make sense? So I was saying it was

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ahead. It's after for these festivals, Jews from all around the Roman Empire

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would converge on Juru some to celebrate
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history. Right. And we'll talk
more and more and more about this,

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because now now that we're entering in
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the Passover. So we'll be talking
about that over the next couple for certain.

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So okay, well, that's great. We spent a lot of time

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on the stuff the pastor but again, them plotting to kill Jesus isn't new

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right. Yeah, this has been
a theme, this is. But they

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were you know, the only new
information here is is that they didn't want

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to do it when the crowds would
riot. Right. But it turns out

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that they eventually get to the place
to where they're gonna have Jesus crucified right

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on the tail end of this correct. So all right, Well, that's

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all the time we have and we
will see you next time. All the Bible guys