1 00:00:00,174 --> 00:00:06,476 [Tyson]: I can edit this little first part out, but I don't know, this platform here, it might 2 00:00:06,516 --> 00:00:08,136 [Tyson]: look like, I don't know if I look fuzzy to you or 3 00:00:08,098 --> 00:00:08,258 [Matt Daniels]: Now 4 00:00:08,176 --> 00:00:10,317 [Tyson]: what, but it, 5 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:10,525 [Matt Daniels]: you look really like crystal clear, you look good as 6 00:00:10,477 --> 00:00:10,657 [Tyson]: oh, 7 00:00:10,545 --> 00:00:10,745 [Matt Daniels]: gold. 8 00:00:11,057 --> 00:00:15,939 [Tyson]: great, yeah, cause in the background, it records like a super high quality recording. 9 00:00:15,979 --> 00:00:19,700 [Tyson]: So even if you and I are a little bit fuzzy to each other, by the time it comes up, 10 00:00:19,740 --> 00:00:22,941 [Tyson]: the final product, it's like, it's pretty much close to HD. 11 00:00:23,518 --> 00:00:24,181 [Matt Daniels]: Okay, beautiful. 12 00:00:24,461 --> 00:00:26,094 [Tyson]: Yeah, so that's good. Man, 13 00:00:25,868 --> 00:00:26,029 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 14 00:00:26,134 --> 00:00:29,895 [Tyson]: thanks so much for coming on. It's, I can't believe it's the first time we've actually 15 00:00:29,935 --> 00:00:33,737 [Tyson]: spoken. I've watched a lot of your stuff online and I've been inspired by how 16 00:00:33,797 --> 00:00:37,678 [Tyson]: much work you've done in the local community, especially. I actually found out 17 00:00:37,698 --> 00:00:43,321 [Tyson]: about you through the wife of one of my best mates, Cassie Holmes. I don't know 18 00:00:43,341 --> 00:00:46,322 [Tyson]: if you know Cassie off the top of your head, but 19 00:00:45,809 --> 00:00:46,563 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, definitely. 20 00:00:47,102 --> 00:00:50,484 [Tyson]: she signed up to do, I think it was a half marathon or a marathon program with 21 00:00:50,504 --> 00:00:54,085 [Tyson]: you a while ago. And she asked if I'd heard of you, and I was relatively new in the 22 00:00:54,185 --> 00:01:00,364 [Tyson]: area at the time. So. I hadn't heard of anyone in this part of town. And I went 23 00:01:00,384 --> 00:01:05,086 [Tyson]: and had a look and I heard a little bit about your story and I realised, man, it's 24 00:01:05,126 --> 00:01:09,327 [Tyson]: pretty wide and pretty deep what you've accomplished in a relatively short time in 25 00:01:09,347 --> 00:01:13,409 [Tyson]: the running scene. So I've been meaning for ages to have you on for whatever reason 26 00:01:13,429 --> 00:01:17,691 [Tyson]: it's taken this long. I thought as a way of introduction, maybe I could hand you 27 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:21,793 [Tyson]: the mic and you could just tell people a little bit about yourself and how you found 28 00:01:21,813 --> 00:01:23,393 [Tyson]: yourself into the world of running. 29 00:01:24,522 --> 00:01:28,264 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, no worries at all. First of all, thanks for having us on the podcast, 30 00:01:28,744 --> 00:01:33,646 [Matt Daniels]: a big fan. Yeah, so I suppose my story is I was a personal trainer. So yeah, 31 00:01:33,687 --> 00:01:37,889 [Matt Daniels]: really passionate personal trainer. So I had my own business from 2006 right through 32 00:01:38,369 --> 00:01:43,272 [Matt Daniels]: to 2019. So 13 years in the health and fitness industry as a PC running 33 00:01:43,292 --> 00:01:48,254 [Matt Daniels]: my own show there, which was an amazing time. And we sold the gym, my partner 34 00:01:48,274 --> 00:01:54,442 [Matt Daniels]: and I sold the gym quite fortunately just before COVID hit at the end of 2019. And 35 00:01:54,462 --> 00:01:59,485 [Matt Daniels]: for the best part of, I suppose, 10 years as a PT, I was regularly putting plans 36 00:01:59,505 --> 00:02:02,487 [Matt Daniels]: together, run plans together for clients wanting to train for, you know, 37 00:02:02,527 --> 00:02:08,391 [Matt Daniels]: 5K, 10K, half marathon, whatever it was. So obviously knowing a lot more now 38 00:02:08,411 --> 00:02:12,213 [Matt Daniels]: than what I did back then. Yeah, that was the sort of the first introduction 39 00:02:12,233 --> 00:02:18,157 [Matt Daniels]: into putting together some plans during my PT career. And then, yeah, once COVID 40 00:02:18,177 --> 00:02:23,163 [Matt Daniels]: hit, I sort of put it out there in regards to a virtual run. So I had like 41 00:02:23,183 --> 00:02:28,384 [Matt Daniels]: a 5K, 10K and half marathon virtual run that I sort of got up and going 42 00:02:28,444 --> 00:02:33,305 [Matt Daniels]: just as COVID hit. As you know, that we couldn't do a lot. The gyms were closed 43 00:02:33,325 --> 00:02:36,486 [Matt Daniels]: and stuff like that. So I put that out there as a bit of a nine week program 44 00:02:36,506 --> 00:02:41,668 [Matt Daniels]: where I put together personalized plans for people doing 5K, 10K or a half marathon. 45 00:02:41,728 --> 00:02:44,488 [Matt Daniels]: And the first one really took off and then it just snowballed from there 46 00:02:44,528 --> 00:02:48,269 [Matt Daniels]: really. So yeah, I've got my online run coaching business up from there 47 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:54,327 [Matt Daniels]: and it's... Over the last couple of years, it's gone crazy. So it's been an 48 00:02:54,407 --> 00:02:58,008 [Matt Daniels]: awesome time getting that up and going. And then, yeah, I've obviously been 49 00:02:58,048 --> 00:03:02,849 [Matt Daniels]: a really passionate runner for the best part of sort of 10, 12, 13 years. 50 00:03:03,390 --> 00:03:09,151 [Matt Daniels]: Grew up in Anglesey, lots of running as a kid, far from elite, but just 51 00:03:09,211 --> 00:03:12,452 [Matt Daniels]: a really passionate recreational runner that loves getting out there, getting 52 00:03:12,472 --> 00:03:16,473 [Matt Daniels]: plenty of Ks in and yeah, having a real crack at the events when they roll around. 53 00:03:16,553 --> 00:03:21,165 [Matt Daniels]: So. That's my story and plenty of big runs over the journey as well. 54 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:26,193 [Tyson]: Yeah, it's funny I had a look at what you'd done in the running space on your about 55 00:03:26,233 --> 00:03:29,996 [Tyson]: me profile and then I read back over it and realized You only started running in 56 00:03:30,056 --> 00:03:34,400 [Tyson]: 2010. I thought oh my goodness That's an incredible amount of runs to get done in 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,640 [Tyson]: a We can get into that soon, but in terms of how you found your way into the running 58 00:03:40,660 --> 00:03:43,863 [Tyson]: world, obviously you said you were writing a few programs or a lot of programs 59 00:03:43,903 --> 00:03:49,026 [Tyson]: for, um, the, the athletes or the, the people that were going to your gym. Was 60 00:03:49,046 --> 00:03:52,729 [Tyson]: it always a little bit of an interest area for you? Because I mean, even though it's 61 00:03:52,749 --> 00:03:56,772 [Tyson]: still in the fitness world, you put me in a gym and asked me to start training 62 00:03:56,832 --> 00:04:01,395 [Tyson]: any athletes on bench press or squats. I'm probably the wrong man for the job. Whereas 63 00:04:01,535 --> 00:04:07,039 [Tyson]: you've managed to combine the two skills beautifully. But in saying all that, it's a 64 00:04:07,079 --> 00:04:12,922 [Tyson]: very different world, I guess, that you've involved yourself in now in a really 65 00:04:12,983 --> 00:04:16,825 [Tyson]: large capacity and it's been unreal just how much you've got done, how quickly, 66 00:04:16,925 --> 00:04:20,287 [Tyson]: not only with your own running, but with the athletes and community you've created 67 00:04:20,307 --> 00:04:25,691 [Tyson]: with your online run coach. What's the story of transfer there? It seems from 68 00:04:25,731 --> 00:04:30,333 [Tyson]: the outside to be a bit of a wild jump and one that's really paid off. 69 00:04:31,074 --> 00:04:33,454 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, it sort of seems like that, but I was always here, like I said, I 70 00:04:33,474 --> 00:04:38,056 [Matt Daniels]: grew up in Anglesey, so always a really passionate runner. So I just absolutely 71 00:04:38,096 --> 00:04:42,197 [Matt Daniels]: loved it. Loved everything that comes with running. So I've been running for 72 00:04:42,457 --> 00:04:47,058 [Matt Daniels]: quite a while. I did my first marathon at Melbourne in 2010, not knowing 73 00:04:47,098 --> 00:04:50,879 [Matt Daniels]: a great deal about it. Like I think we all did one of our first marathons. 74 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,701 [Matt Daniels]: So, but pretty much from 2010 right through to today, I've been, yeah, plenty 75 00:04:55,721 --> 00:05:00,414 [Matt Daniels]: of Ks since then. And things have just been, yeah, sort of fast track. The 76 00:05:00,494 --> 00:05:03,775 [Matt Daniels]: online run coaching stuff's just, like I said, it's gone really crazy in 77 00:05:03,795 --> 00:05:07,576 [Matt Daniels]: the last couple of years since I launched that. But before that, yeah, obviously, 78 00:05:07,596 --> 00:05:12,778 [Matt Daniels]: big into the health and fitness industry for 13 years. But whilst I was doing 79 00:05:12,818 --> 00:05:15,398 [Matt Daniels]: that and taking some big group sessions and stuff like that, yeah, running 80 00:05:15,438 --> 00:05:20,060 [Matt Daniels]: was always a passion of mine. And it's always been a bit of a passion project 81 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,321 [Matt Daniels]: sort of on the side as I was doing that PT and health and fitness thing. 82 00:05:23,481 --> 00:05:27,223 [Matt Daniels]: And then, yeah, now it's just full-time online run coaching and... absolutely 83 00:05:27,263 --> 00:05:30,189 [Matt Daniels]: loving it and loving the sort of community that I've created. 84 00:05:31,672 --> 00:05:35,333 [Tyson]: Yeah, you mentioned before we hit record that yeah, you're adding a little pod where 85 00:05:35,393 --> 00:05:39,687 [Tyson]: I see all the training programs and stuff get written It's a, it seems like a really 86 00:05:39,727 --> 00:05:43,630 [Tyson]: big passion, like from the outset, from when I look at your stuff, I always go 87 00:05:43,650 --> 00:05:47,574 [Tyson]: to your Instagram page. And I think if there's one word that sort of comes away 88 00:05:47,614 --> 00:05:50,777 [Tyson]: when you finish looking at it, it's just inspired, but it's not just the inspiration 89 00:05:50,817 --> 00:05:55,901 [Tyson]: through health and fitness and running. You seem to have a real appreciation for, um, 90 00:05:55,941 --> 00:05:59,344 [Tyson]: just little things like the, the gratefulness and the benefits of that, not just for your 91 00:05:59,384 --> 00:06:03,188 [Tyson]: fitness and your health, but for your family, um, and for the small things, which 92 00:06:03,248 --> 00:06:07,222 [Tyson]: I think just correlates beautifully into. running like that psychology it's always 93 00:06:07,322 --> 00:06:10,363 [Tyson]: easy to run well when you're grateful for the fact that you're out there and not 94 00:06:10,383 --> 00:06:14,024 [Tyson]: Just shuffling your way through it but it just seems as though there's a number 95 00:06:14,064 --> 00:06:18,266 [Tyson]: of factors that come together when An athlete's looking at yours and I think one 96 00:06:18,286 --> 00:06:21,987 [Tyson]: of the standout points at least from my perspective and actually from Cassie's husband's 97 00:06:22,027 --> 00:06:25,908 [Tyson]: perspective James I don't know if you ever met him He was like I just uh He just 98 00:06:25,928 --> 00:06:30,289 [Tyson]: seems like a good bloke with a passion for what he does and appreciation for the things 99 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:34,095 [Tyson]: that he has And I wanted to tap into that a little bit because I know sometimes 100 00:06:34,115 --> 00:06:37,277 [Tyson]: you look at that and you're like, oh, that's just a person's personality. They seem 101 00:06:37,317 --> 00:06:41,679 [Tyson]: fairly well set up on a mental space, on a physical space, but it looks as though 102 00:06:41,699 --> 00:06:44,421 [Tyson]: it's something that you also put a little bit of work into. I was just curious 103 00:06:44,441 --> 00:06:47,443 [Tyson]: to hear a little bit more about that because it definitely stands out in a really 104 00:06:47,503 --> 00:06:52,285 [Tyson]: positive way from my perspective about not just the running world, but just your life 105 00:06:52,305 --> 00:06:52,705 [Tyson]: in general. 106 00:06:54,006 --> 00:06:57,207 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I mean, I'm really passionate about, yeah, like I said, running for a long 107 00:06:57,247 --> 00:07:02,648 [Matt Daniels]: time. So, yeah, that was nice to James to say that. And Cassie's been, she 108 00:07:02,688 --> 00:07:06,770 [Matt Daniels]: was actually a long-term client of mine at the gym. So a lot of my clients 109 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:10,551 [Matt Daniels]: from back in the day that I had at the gym for five, six, seven years, 110 00:07:10,631 --> 00:07:13,572 [Matt Daniels]: a lot of them have, yeah, now transitioned to running and up and running, 111 00:07:13,692 --> 00:07:17,613 [Matt Daniels]: whether it's 5K, 10K, half or full, you know, they're up and doing that, 112 00:07:17,633 --> 00:07:21,199 [Matt Daniels]: which has been fantastic. But... Yeah, running has been a big part of my life 113 00:07:21,219 --> 00:07:24,840 [Matt Daniels]: and something I'm really passionate about. Like I said earlier, far from it, far 114 00:07:24,881 --> 00:07:29,323 [Matt Daniels]: from elite. I'm never the first, but never the last, like I said, just a really 115 00:07:29,363 --> 00:07:33,105 [Matt Daniels]: passionate recreational runner that understands how much running can do for 116 00:07:33,145 --> 00:07:37,647 [Matt Daniels]: you, but also how much it can positively impact so many people around you. 117 00:07:38,768 --> 00:07:43,090 [Matt Daniels]: It's just such a beautiful and simple sport that can bring so much to you 118 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:46,992 [Matt Daniels]: and really transform your life in so many different ways. So I'm really passionate 119 00:07:47,012 --> 00:07:51,291 [Matt Daniels]: about sort of sharing that. with all of my athletes knowing full well from 120 00:07:51,451 --> 00:07:55,915 [Matt Daniels]: my own experience that it's helped me out so much in life and it's funny 121 00:07:55,955 --> 00:07:59,398 [Matt Daniels]: it's always there for you and it's always so easy just to lace up your shoes 122 00:07:59,438 --> 00:08:04,062 [Matt Daniels]: and get out. You don't have to go out and break any records every day or 123 00:08:04,543 --> 00:08:08,486 [Matt Daniels]: any week or any month, you just got to go out and be consistent, enjoy what 124 00:08:08,506 --> 00:08:13,771 [Matt Daniels]: you're doing and the results will come and it's a beautiful sport to be 125 00:08:13,791 --> 00:08:17,013 [Matt Daniels]: a part of and the community, the whole running community is amazing. 126 00:08:17,545 --> 00:08:21,048 [Tyson]: It's unreal actually, the first time I messaged you was just the other day and I 127 00:08:21,089 --> 00:08:26,214 [Tyson]: messaged you because the Melbourne marathon had just sold out which blew my mind. 128 00:08:26,274 --> 00:08:29,878 [Tyson]: I called Athletics Victoria because I knew a couple of people there from back in 129 00:08:29,898 --> 00:08:32,421 [Tyson]: the day and I thought, oh, surely they'll have a couple of spares that they can look 130 00:08:32,481 --> 00:08:38,003 [Tyson]: after me with. And I called him and I think I overestimated my value in athletics 131 00:08:37,870 --> 00:08:39,442 [Matt Daniels]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 132 00:08:38,023 --> 00:08:42,744 [Tyson]: Victoria. I spoke to Tim Crosby who's just an absolutely great bloke and I go, mate, 133 00:08:42,764 --> 00:08:47,025 [Tyson]: have you got any spares at all? He's like, Ties. He goes, mate, it shocks me as 134 00:08:47,065 --> 00:08:52,127 [Tyson]: much as anyone. We can't believe that we're sold out, let alone this early. And I 135 00:08:52,187 --> 00:08:56,208 [Tyson]: say that just to emphasise your point about that community level runner at the moment, 136 00:08:56,248 --> 00:09:01,749 [Tyson]: like 99% of the runners in every event at the Melbourne Marathon, half marathon, 10K. 137 00:09:02,422 --> 00:09:06,146 [Tyson]: fit in beautifully to that category. There seems to be a little bit of a boom at 138 00:09:06,186 --> 00:09:09,710 [Tyson]: the moment. I'm not sure what's caused that, but there's something about maybe it's 139 00:09:09,790 --> 00:09:14,435 [Tyson]: Instagram, the social media, but I can't quite put a finger on what's caused that 140 00:09:14,475 --> 00:09:17,398 [Tyson]: change. Do you have any thoughts about that? Cause it doesn't seem to be a Melbourne 141 00:09:17,438 --> 00:09:21,823 [Tyson]: based thing either. It seems to be an international thing running for lack of 142 00:09:21,843 --> 00:09:23,965 [Tyson]: a better reason, seems to have become a little bit cool. 143 00:09:24,906 --> 00:09:27,186 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, totally agree. I actually put something up, I think the other 144 00:09:27,206 --> 00:09:31,648 [Matt Daniels]: day on Instagram, I think it was, just in regards to how much of a sort 145 00:09:31,668 --> 00:09:35,309 [Matt Daniels]: of a boom period we're going through and just how much, you know, recreational 146 00:09:35,329 --> 00:09:38,030 [Matt Daniels]: runners like ourselves are getting out there and signing up for events and just 147 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:43,412 [Matt Daniels]: how awesome it is. So yeah, it really is amazing. The Gradation Road, Ultra, 148 00:09:43,832 --> 00:09:47,953 [Matt Daniels]: Marathon, not sure about the half of those two events were full. Obviously 149 00:09:47,973 --> 00:09:51,764 [Matt Daniels]: Melbourne sort of. yeah, 14, 15 weeks out, I've got the half marathon sold 150 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:55,207 [Matt Daniels]: out, the marathon sold out. So it really is going through a boom period. 151 00:09:55,227 --> 00:09:58,570 [Matt Daniels]: And like you said, not just in Australia, but yeah, I think worldwide. 152 00:09:58,630 --> 00:10:02,654 [Matt Daniels]: So it's awesome. I think it has a little bit to do with, on the back of 153 00:10:02,674 --> 00:10:05,716 [Matt Daniels]: COVID, obviously a couple of years after COVID, probably a lot of people 154 00:10:05,736 --> 00:10:10,220 [Matt Daniels]: started during that period now and if they've stuck at it and being consistent 155 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,863 [Matt Daniels]: with their training, I think they're at a stage now where they're, ready 156 00:10:12,883 --> 00:10:18,022 [Matt Daniels]: for a half marathon or ready for a marathon or. at the point where they're 157 00:10:18,042 --> 00:10:21,503 [Matt Daniels]: ready to do a fun run. And as you know, you do one, you wanna do another 158 00:10:21,583 --> 00:10:23,964 [Matt Daniels]: one and then it really just snowballs from there. So I think COVID has 159 00:10:24,004 --> 00:10:29,046 [Matt Daniels]: a little bit to do with it, but yeah, it's just incredible, the sport at 160 00:10:29,066 --> 00:10:33,467 [Matt Daniels]: the moment, it's booming industry and it's awesome for us running coaches. But 161 00:10:33,507 --> 00:10:37,448 [Matt Daniels]: just seeing so many different people out there, chasing goals, all with their 162 00:10:37,509 --> 00:10:40,369 [Matt Daniels]: own unique story, it's really special and it's so awesome to see. 163 00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:44,432 [Tyson]: Yeah, it's funny how you just touched on a point I wanted to follow up with you because 164 00:10:44,452 --> 00:10:48,414 [Tyson]: I think it explains your story Well from what I can see there's it's so true that 165 00:10:48,434 --> 00:10:52,477 [Tyson]: an athlete will dip their toe in the water They might go out and run a fun run They 166 00:10:52,517 --> 00:10:56,920 [Tyson]: might run a 10k half marathon Whatever it is and just get that bug and I had a little 167 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,741 [Tyson]: chuckle the other day because I was reading through your profile And I noticed 168 00:10:59,781 --> 00:11:04,204 [Tyson]: that you said you did your first marathon your first official marathon in 2010 though 169 00:11:04,224 --> 00:11:07,935 [Tyson]: You'd been a runner for a long time And then you read just a little bit down the 170 00:11:07,955 --> 00:11:12,438 [Tyson]: profile. You go on to set a world record, 55 marathons in 55 days, and then run from 171 00:11:12,558 --> 00:11:15,960 [Tyson]: Adelaide to Geelong. And they're only a couple. I thought, what was it, another, 172 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:17,761 [Tyson]: the 24 hour treadmill challenge, was it 160 173 00:11:18,124 --> 00:11:18,476 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah. 174 00:11:18,422 --> 00:11:25,266 [Tyson]: Ks in 24 hours, which is just unbelievable. It's amazing how much that bug kicks in. I've 175 00:11:25,466 --> 00:11:29,369 [Tyson]: had a little bit of trouble lately with calf strains and a couple of injuries. 176 00:11:29,389 --> 00:11:33,012 [Tyson]: And I said to my wife the other day, because I've just, for about the last seven 177 00:11:33,052 --> 00:11:36,642 [Tyson]: or eight weeks, I've been a lot more consistent with my training. And the other 178 00:11:36,662 --> 00:11:39,164 [Tyson]: day I was just having one of those mornings where I'd been in the office and things 179 00:11:39,184 --> 00:11:42,867 [Tyson]: weren't going well and the admin was stacking up and there was just, you know, those 180 00:11:42,947 --> 00:11:45,950 [Tyson]: fiddly jobs that just kind of get the better of you from time to time. And 181 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:46,057 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 182 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:49,753 [Tyson]: I went outside, I'd put my shoes on, the sun was shining, I got out on the Ballerina 183 00:11:49,793 --> 00:11:53,977 [Tyson]: Rail Trail and I remember being out there and I was like, oh, this is the exact 184 00:11:54,017 --> 00:11:58,120 [Tyson]: reason that people get out and run because there's nothing that feels healthier 185 00:11:58,140 --> 00:12:01,823 [Tyson]: physically and mentally for me right now. Because there's a few things I try and 186 00:12:01,843 --> 00:12:06,451 [Tyson]: stack up each day. One of them is, I like just to... Put all technology away completely 187 00:12:06,711 --> 00:12:10,474 [Tyson]: for a minimum of an hour where I'm not looking at my phone or jump it onto a computer 188 00:12:10,494 --> 00:12:13,696 [Tyson]: Which doesn't sound like much but I mean the amount that I look at my phone it 189 00:12:13,756 --> 00:12:16,898 [Tyson]: adds up real quick and the other one is just being outside for an hour and the other 190 00:12:16,938 --> 00:12:21,061 [Tyson]: ones exercising for about an hour and The other day when I was out there I was just 191 00:12:21,081 --> 00:12:24,083 [Tyson]: ticking all three of those boxes at once and just mentally you get home You're 192 00:12:24,103 --> 00:12:27,865 [Tyson]: like, ah, there's three things that I value that have just been crossed off and 193 00:12:28,214 --> 00:12:32,595 [Tyson]: People always say, my wife's one of them. She's like, I wish I got the buzz that 194 00:12:32,615 --> 00:12:35,497 [Tyson]: you get from running. I don't really understand that run as high. And 195 00:12:35,437 --> 00:12:35,731 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 196 00:12:35,537 --> 00:12:39,618 [Tyson]: I guess there comes a point of fitness or there comes a point of flow or whatever 197 00:12:39,658 --> 00:12:44,300 [Tyson]: the word is that you have to kind of be patient for to get into it. And then before 198 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,642 [Tyson]: you know it, you're starting to stack up the training and the races and whatever 199 00:12:49,682 --> 00:12:53,864 [Tyson]: else it might be that you're working towards. But does that summarize your entry 200 00:12:53,964 --> 00:12:59,032 [Tyson]: into the more competitive side of... of running, is that kind of what happened? 201 00:12:59,052 --> 00:13:02,745 [Tyson]: Like it seems in a short period of time to develop a whole lot of momentum. 202 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:08,031 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, it sort of, like you said, it escalated pretty quickly from the 2010 marathon, 203 00:13:08,071 --> 00:13:11,152 [Matt Daniels]: like I said, struggled late the marathon like we most people do on their 204 00:13:11,212 --> 00:13:14,172 [Matt Daniels]: on their first one. And probably at the end of it said, I'd never do another 205 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:17,894 [Matt Daniels]: one. And then before you know it, you're back out running and training. I 206 00:13:17,914 --> 00:13:22,475 [Matt Daniels]: think in 2012, a couple years later, I did the 100k surf coast entry that 207 00:13:22,515 --> 00:13:26,196 [Matt Daniels]: was in Anglesey where I grew up. So that was a good introduction sort of 208 00:13:26,216 --> 00:13:30,837 [Matt Daniels]: to the ultra scene. And then if they're sort of, yeah, really progressed 209 00:13:30,857 --> 00:13:34,015 [Matt Daniels]: quite quickly from there. I was getting plenty of Ks in the legs and was 210 00:13:34,055 --> 00:13:39,880 [Matt Daniels]: feeling pretty good. And then a lot of my runs after that were more charity 211 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,764 [Matt Daniels]: focused. So yeah, in 2014, like you mentioned, I ran from Adelaide to Geelong 212 00:13:44,784 --> 00:13:49,068 [Matt Daniels]: and that was in memory of my Nana who passed away. So she was a Madhawk 213 00:13:49,088 --> 00:13:55,194 [Matt Daniels]: supporter and absolutely loved Shane Crawford. So I basically copied Crawford. 214 00:13:55,234 --> 00:13:59,217 [Matt Daniels]: I think he did from Adelaide's Rundle Mall down to the Channel 9 Footy Studio. 215 00:13:59,277 --> 00:14:03,294 [Matt Daniels]: So... We were in touch with him before I left in regards to what route 216 00:14:03,314 --> 00:14:06,955 [Matt Daniels]: he took and all those sort of things. So I, yeah, I started the Rundle Mall 217 00:14:07,216 --> 00:14:10,736 [Matt Daniels]: in Adelaide and ran back to Geelong and finished at the gym. So I had all 218 00:14:10,756 --> 00:14:15,318 [Matt Daniels]: the BCNA crew there, all the family obviously, and then you have plenty 219 00:14:15,398 --> 00:14:18,939 [Matt Daniels]: of the friends in the community from the gym. So that was really special in 220 00:14:18,979 --> 00:14:25,020 [Matt Daniels]: 2014. And then yeah, just progressed from there, some more charity stuff for the 221 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,402 [Matt Daniels]: Leukemia Foundation. So I've always had like a really big reason. you know, 222 00:14:29,562 --> 00:14:32,363 [Matt Daniels]: why I'm doing these big runs and being able to sort of push through some 223 00:14:32,403 --> 00:14:37,586 [Matt Daniels]: of the harder days and harder moments on those challenging runs. So it did 224 00:14:37,626 --> 00:14:41,429 [Matt Daniels]: escalate quite quickly, but these days, yeah, I've sort of pulled that 225 00:14:41,449 --> 00:14:45,191 [Matt Daniels]: back a little bit, yeah, but still a really passionate recreational runner, 226 00:14:45,211 --> 00:14:48,953 [Matt Daniels]: getting some good K's in and good consistency and loving it as much as I 227 00:14:48,973 --> 00:14:49,613 [Matt Daniels]: did when I started. 228 00:14:50,219 --> 00:14:53,381 [Tyson]: Jay, did you say it was 2012, you did the Adelaide Tidjelong? 229 00:14:54,426 --> 00:14:56,488 [Matt Daniels]: So 2012 was the Surf Coast Century, 100k. 230 00:14:57,095 --> 00:14:57,415 [Tyson]: Sorry. 231 00:14:57,409 --> 00:14:57,649 [Matt Daniels]: And yeah, 232 00:14:57,535 --> 00:14:57,716 [Tyson]: Yep. 233 00:14:57,689 --> 00:15:04,135 [Matt Daniels]: 2014 was Adelaide to Geelong. I did a big ultra in 2015 up in Canberra. It 234 00:15:04,155 --> 00:15:11,302 [Matt Daniels]: was about 450 plus k's, the Anzac Ultra there. And then, yeah, then come 235 00:15:11,422 --> 00:15:14,965 [Matt Daniels]: the 55 marathons in 55 days. That was in 2016. 236 00:15:16,594 --> 00:15:20,416 [Tyson]: I actually, I remember, I remember Croft doing that run. It's amazing that was 237 00:15:20,476 --> 00:15:25,459 [Tyson]: even 2014, nine years ago, because I remember seeing the footage of him doing 238 00:15:25,499 --> 00:15:29,962 [Tyson]: that and just thinking it was unbelievable. Because I used to go down to just the inter-club 239 00:15:30,002 --> 00:15:34,245 [Tyson]: runs in, in Melbourne when I was growing up and I'm a huge footy fan as well, though 240 00:15:34,285 --> 00:15:37,659 [Tyson]: Carlton. I mean, I've said that. with a bit of shame the last couple of months, but 241 00:15:37,739 --> 00:15:39,480 [Tyson]: after last weekend, I 242 00:15:39,141 --> 00:15:39,463 [Matt Daniels]: Get it. 243 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:41,982 [Tyson]: say it with a little bit of pride, but we'll see. There's still a few, that's 244 00:15:42,022 --> 00:15:45,965 [Tyson]: another, that's another conversation for another day. But, uh, I remember seeing 245 00:15:46,005 --> 00:15:50,568 [Tyson]: Kroof get around the track for an 800 in under two minutes and, and being a huge 246 00:15:50,608 --> 00:15:53,831 [Tyson]: fan of him as a football, and that was sort of, I guess, the latter part of his 247 00:15:54,411 --> 00:15:59,235 [Tyson]: career. I don't, I don't know his details really well, but, um, when I saw that he was 248 00:15:59,275 --> 00:16:02,037 [Tyson]: venturing out for something like that, it just blew my mind. I thought there's no 249 00:16:02,077 --> 00:16:07,380 [Tyson]: way he's going to be helping. run from Geelong to, sorry, from Adelaide to Geelong 250 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,320 [Tyson]: or Adelaide to Melbourne. 251 00:16:08,589 --> 00:16:08,778 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 252 00:16:09,041 --> 00:16:13,103 [Tyson]: Um, but it's, it is amazing that, and you tapped into it beautifully when you said, 253 00:16:13,143 --> 00:16:16,705 [Tyson]: and I'm not, don't know what his cause was, but it is interesting when people have 254 00:16:16,725 --> 00:16:20,547 [Tyson]: a cause for whatever it is that they're pursuing, you know, whether it's family or 255 00:16:20,587 --> 00:16:25,069 [Tyson]: fitness or, you know, insert, whatever. Just how effective that is in bringing you 256 00:16:25,089 --> 00:16:29,052 [Tyson]: through the dark days. And, and that is one thing that I think, as I said, at the 257 00:16:29,192 --> 00:16:32,293 [Tyson]: outset of this conversation that stands out about the way that you coach, you seem 258 00:16:32,333 --> 00:16:37,473 [Tyson]: to. tap into something deeper in the athletes that you're coaching, which I think 259 00:16:37,533 --> 00:16:40,556 [Tyson]: a lot, cause there's a lot of community level athletes who listen to this podcast as 260 00:16:40,596 --> 00:16:46,100 [Tyson]: well. And I think sometimes they almost sneak into an inbox, like almost with an apology 261 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,845 [Tyson]: saying, oh, I'm relatively new to the sport. I want to get better. I don't know if 262 00:16:51,865 --> 00:16:56,869 [Tyson]: I can justify coaching. And for me, it's obviously something wrong with the marketing 263 00:16:56,889 --> 00:17:00,132 [Tyson]: because it's a complete opposite of what I'm going for. But with that particular 264 00:17:00,232 --> 00:17:05,882 [Tyson]: athlete, you seem to have just a cool ability to bring something a little deeper 265 00:17:06,102 --> 00:17:10,143 [Tyson]: out in there. I was wondering if you could speak to that because, or also if you 266 00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:13,944 [Tyson]: can relate to the experience of people to say, hey, look, here's my situation. I'm 267 00:17:13,965 --> 00:17:17,806 [Tyson]: relatively new. I'm not setting any world records. I don't know if I can justify 268 00:17:17,846 --> 00:17:22,327 [Tyson]: the coaching, but I really want to improve. Can you help me out? There's a lot 269 00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:28,168 [Tyson]: of questions in that. I think if I had to boil that down, I'm trying to say, is 270 00:17:28,188 --> 00:17:34,055 [Tyson]: that a structured, sort of curated, focused? area of your coaching to tap into 271 00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:34,977 [Tyson]: more than just the running. 272 00:17:35,902 --> 00:17:40,784 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I'd say it is. Yeah, I'd say it is definitely a focus because I think 273 00:17:40,804 --> 00:17:44,626 [Matt Daniels]: we've all got a really unique story under there as to why we wanna get up 274 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:49,369 [Matt Daniels]: and running. So I've had some incredible stories, yeah, with my athletes. 275 00:17:49,409 --> 00:17:54,192 [Matt Daniels]: So, so many different things. Like I've had some guys reach out and obviously 276 00:17:54,232 --> 00:17:58,514 [Matt Daniels]: wanna lose weight and they've been really struggling with their mental health. 277 00:17:58,554 --> 00:18:02,536 [Matt Daniels]: So they wanna get up and running. I've had some girls that have really struggled 278 00:18:02,576 --> 00:18:07,695 [Matt Daniels]: with some mental health issues and some... anxiety, or some eating disorders. 279 00:18:08,796 --> 00:18:12,037 [Matt Daniels]: You know, some have been divorced and have come to me in terms of running, wanting 280 00:18:12,057 --> 00:18:15,499 [Matt Daniels]: to feel better about themselves and get their life back on track. There's just 281 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:20,742 [Matt Daniels]: so many different stories out there. Had a guy who was involved in the police 282 00:18:20,782 --> 00:18:24,684 [Matt Daniels]: force, who left the police force and was really struggling mentally and found 283 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:28,887 [Matt Daniels]: running, started running and then wasn't sure, you know, how to build up 284 00:18:28,927 --> 00:18:32,329 [Matt Daniels]: successfully to get to a half marathon and a marathon. And he's turned his 285 00:18:32,349 --> 00:18:36,438 [Matt Daniels]: life around with running. lost a heap of weight and now he's, you know, he's 286 00:18:36,458 --> 00:18:40,679 [Matt Daniels]: done a half marathon and a full marathon and now he's just, you know, upwards 287 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:45,741 [Matt Daniels]: and onwards we go. So yeah, I'm always really keen on hearing the story 288 00:18:45,801 --> 00:18:49,562 [Matt Daniels]: from the athlete in regards to why they, you know, why they want to get 289 00:18:49,602 --> 00:18:52,662 [Matt Daniels]: coaching. I understand we don't want to break any records or finish on the 290 00:18:52,702 --> 00:18:57,104 [Matt Daniels]: podium, but yeah, I really value why they're, you know, reaching out to me. 291 00:18:58,464 --> 00:19:01,945 [Matt Daniels]: And yeah, I like the unique story that each and every athlete comes to 292 00:19:01,965 --> 00:19:05,618 [Matt Daniels]: me with. So, and I'm really just, yeah. really grateful to be able to help 293 00:19:05,638 --> 00:19:09,020 [Matt Daniels]: them and have been in a position to help them. And yeah, we form a really good 294 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,981 [Matt Daniels]: relationship straight away and the coaching is really personable. And then 295 00:19:13,001 --> 00:19:16,283 [Matt Daniels]: we just get up and running. And I believe in them from the get-go and then 296 00:19:16,563 --> 00:19:19,344 [Matt Daniels]: it doesn't take long to string a few weeks together and then they really start 297 00:19:19,364 --> 00:19:23,966 [Matt Daniels]: to get that self-belief and build towards their events. And then, as you 298 00:19:23,986 --> 00:19:28,228 [Matt Daniels]: know, once they tick off their first 5K or they hit that marathon goal, then 299 00:19:29,469 --> 00:19:31,589 [Matt Daniels]: that's just the beginning of something really special. 300 00:19:32,243 --> 00:19:36,365 [Tyson]: Yeah, yeah well for yourself another one I think I missed on the list I don't know 301 00:19:36,405 --> 00:19:41,968 [Tyson]: if I'm magnifying this or if I've actually nailed it was it 525 half marathons for 525 302 00:19:42,889 --> 00:19:43,809 [Tyson]: days or if I made that up 303 00:19:44,074 --> 00:19:46,495 [Matt Daniels]: No, no, you've ripped me off 10. So it was 535 304 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:48,535 [Tyson]: Ha ha ha! 305 00:19:48,716 --> 00:19:55,180 [Matt Daniels]: half marathons in 535 days. So it was a half marathon every single day 306 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:00,563 [Matt Daniels]: without fail for the best part of a year and a half. Yeah, 535 days. So I 307 00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:09,388 [Matt Daniels]: think it was just over 11,300 kilometres. Yeah, so that was in 2017 until 308 00:20:09,408 --> 00:20:16,009 [Matt Daniels]: the middle of 2019. I set out to do a half marathon every day in memory of 309 00:20:16,069 --> 00:20:19,272 [Matt Daniels]: a guy called Andrew Cadigan after reading a book that his dad put together. 310 00:20:19,292 --> 00:20:24,417 [Matt Daniels]: It was really inspired by his trip around Australia that he did. So Cad went 311 00:20:24,437 --> 00:20:28,500 [Matt Daniels]: around Australia in memory of a mate who lost his life to leukemia, travelled 312 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,684 [Matt Daniels]: around for 535 days. That's where that number comes from. So Cad travelled 313 00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:36,908 [Matt Daniels]: around Australia pushing a pram and raising money for the Leukemia Foundation. 314 00:20:37,889 --> 00:20:42,435 [Matt Daniels]: He finished. on the Sydney Harbour Bridge and then four days later headed to Thailand 315 00:20:42,455 --> 00:20:46,597 [Matt Daniels]: to put together his journals and put him into a book but he was tragically 316 00:20:46,657 --> 00:20:51,360 [Matt Daniels]: struck by a motorbike over there and then and then passed away 12 weeks later. 317 00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:56,042 [Matt Daniels]: So his dad Neil put a book together called With Every Step and I read that book 318 00:20:57,502 --> 00:21:01,765 [Matt Daniels]: yeah at the when I read the book in the middle of sort of 2016 I read that 319 00:21:01,805 --> 00:21:07,344 [Matt Daniels]: book and was incredibly inspired to Yeah, on a CAD and sort of complete his 320 00:21:07,404 --> 00:21:11,367 [Matt Daniels]: mission and his work that he was doing for the Leukemia Foundation. So I 321 00:21:11,407 --> 00:21:16,810 [Matt Daniels]: picked CAD start date and CAD end date of his walk around Australia. And 322 00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:21,534 [Matt Daniels]: yeah, that equalled 535 days and what I decided on was a half marathon every 323 00:21:21,574 --> 00:21:26,057 [Matt Daniels]: day in memory of CAD and to raise money for the Leukemia Foundation. So 324 00:21:26,077 --> 00:21:29,659 [Matt Daniels]: yeah, that's what I did. So did the majority of them around the Barwon 325 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:33,814 [Matt Daniels]: River here in Geelong. So I could run that course. Yeah, I could run that 326 00:21:33,854 --> 00:21:38,076 [Matt Daniels]: course blindfolded. So I did the majority of them around, yeah, around Geelong, 327 00:21:38,136 --> 00:21:41,038 [Matt Daniels]: got through it all, raised a heap of money for the Leukemia Foundation, 328 00:21:41,058 --> 00:21:45,360 [Matt Daniels]: had a really big fundraising night towards the end. And on the 535th and 329 00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:49,823 [Matt Daniels]: final half marathon, I was, yeah, I had the pram that Cad had on his walk 330 00:21:49,843 --> 00:21:53,785 [Matt Daniels]: around Australia that his parents brought down. So I pushed that on the 535th 331 00:21:54,525 --> 00:21:58,087 [Matt Daniels]: and final half marathon and then finished back at my gym with all Cad's 332 00:21:58,107 --> 00:22:01,949 [Matt Daniels]: family and all the crew from the gym there and obviously the family as well. 333 00:22:01,989 --> 00:22:07,210 [Matt Daniels]: So that was... Yeah, a really special, special moment. And yeah, one big, 334 00:22:07,450 --> 00:22:10,453 [Matt Daniels]: big charity run I'm really, really proud of. And looking back now, I'm 335 00:22:10,493 --> 00:22:15,919 [Matt Daniels]: not sure how I got through it, to be honest, it's 150 Ks a week it is for, 336 00:22:15,939 --> 00:22:19,903 [Matt Daniels]: I think it was just over 70 weeks. But yeah, tick that off and got that 337 00:22:19,923 --> 00:22:21,985 [Matt Daniels]: done. And yeah, that's one I'm really proud of. 338 00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:26,987 [Tyson]: So talk to me about... There must have been a number of days or even weeks where you're 339 00:22:27,007 --> 00:22:31,610 [Tyson]: wrestling with illness or injury or niggles or blisters or Maybe you've even got 340 00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:37,174 [Tyson]: a couple of surprises for us 535 like 70 weeks of that. I was thinking that when 341 00:22:37,234 --> 00:22:41,076 [Tyson]: I when I was doing the maths like 150 K's a week Is that that's a huge week if I 342 00:22:41,096 --> 00:22:45,019 [Tyson]: did 150 K's for a week right now I would have the feet up for a few weeks and 343 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,721 [Tyson]: just give myself a pat on the back But to do that another 74 times on top of that 344 00:22:48,761 --> 00:22:52,344 [Tyson]: is that is unbelievable Did you have a couple of wild days out there, a couple of 345 00:22:52,384 --> 00:22:55,577 [Tyson]: wild weeks where you were just resting with whether or not you're gonna get them done? 346 00:22:56,054 --> 00:22:58,756 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I like to think that I'll put my mind to something 347 00:22:59,257 --> 00:23:03,180 [Matt Daniels]: I'm usually pretty good and think I can get through well, just about anything. 348 00:23:03,220 --> 00:23:07,184 [Matt Daniels]: But early on in this endeavor, I was, the first few weeks I thought I might 349 00:23:07,204 --> 00:23:07,784 [Matt Daniels]: have bit off 350 00:23:07,822 --> 00:23:08,004 [Tyson]: Mm-hmm. 351 00:23:07,825 --> 00:23:08,065 [Matt Daniels]: more than 352 00:23:08,024 --> 00:23:08,752 [Tyson]: Yeah. 353 00:23:08,105 --> 00:23:10,807 [Matt Daniels]: I could chew here. I was really struggling. The body was really struggling, 354 00:23:10,847 --> 00:23:16,453 [Matt Daniels]: just 150 Ks a week. I was obviously still running the gym. Yeah, I had four kids 355 00:23:16,473 --> 00:23:20,436 [Matt Daniels]: at the time. So I was under the pump with dad life as well. So early on 356 00:23:20,476 --> 00:23:24,279 [Matt Daniels]: I was really struggling, but. as the weeks went on, you know, got a little 357 00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:28,002 [Matt Daniels]: bit easier and a little bit easier. So, but there was definitely some days 358 00:23:28,022 --> 00:23:31,724 [Matt Daniels]: in there. Yeah, I was struggling early on with just sort of overall general 359 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:35,687 [Matt Daniels]: body soreness, but yeah, there was times there where I wasn't well, a couple 360 00:23:35,727 --> 00:23:39,870 [Matt Daniels]: of days there where you have the flu or you're just not well. And probably 361 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:43,693 [Matt Daniels]: the big one was I was involved in a car accident. I'd luckily ran that morning, 362 00:23:44,654 --> 00:23:50,966 [Matt Daniels]: but was involved in a car accident in the afternoon. And... everyone was okay, 363 00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:54,547 [Matt Daniels]: fortunately, but we had to go to hospital and do the check over. So it had 364 00:23:54,567 --> 00:23:57,408 [Matt Daniels]: a bit of whiplash and all those sort of things, but then had to obviously get 365 00:23:57,488 --> 00:24:01,750 [Matt Daniels]: up the next day and get out and get the half marathon done. So that was 366 00:24:01,790 --> 00:24:06,032 [Matt Daniels]: probably the, yeah, the big one during the year and a half was the car 367 00:24:06,072 --> 00:24:09,693 [Matt Daniels]: accident, which isn't obviously ideal for trying to run a half marathon the 368 00:24:09,713 --> 00:24:10,053 [Matt Daniels]: next day. 369 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:15,505 [Tyson]: What, uh, what point do you feel like your legs started to adjust to the, the amount 370 00:24:15,525 --> 00:24:16,245 [Tyson]: of running you were doing? 371 00:24:16,974 --> 00:24:22,856 [Matt Daniels]: I think it took about four to six weeks to feel like it was okay. So I'd 372 00:24:22,876 --> 00:24:27,838 [Matt Daniels]: just get out before work, super early in the morning, or after our early morning 373 00:24:27,858 --> 00:24:31,220 [Matt Daniels]: group sessions, I'd go straight down the river and get it done. So like I said, 374 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,802 [Matt Daniels]: looking back now, I'm not sure how, I found that hour and 40 minutes, hour 375 00:24:35,822 --> 00:24:40,244 [Matt Daniels]: and 50 minutes, two hours to get it done every day. But yeah, it's funny, 376 00:24:40,284 --> 00:24:43,105 [Matt Daniels]: like I said, when you have a really big reason why you tend to find your 377 00:24:43,125 --> 00:24:47,160 [Matt Daniels]: way pretty... pretty well, so yeah, I was really determined to honor Kat 378 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,448 [Matt Daniels]: as best I could, and his dad Neil knew all about it, so I was on a bit of 379 00:24:51,488 --> 00:24:53,933 [Matt Daniels]: a mission back then, and yeah, got it done. 380 00:24:54,532 --> 00:24:57,874 [Tyson]: It's great that you're able to get the family and friends and everyone out there, 381 00:24:58,334 --> 00:25:01,796 [Tyson]: especially with the pram, like that's a beautiful symbol to finish with, but it's 382 00:25:01,856 --> 00:25:02,997 [Tyson]: nice how much everyone 383 00:25:05,654 --> 00:25:08,775 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, the gym, the gym and all the all the family, first 384 00:25:08,795 --> 00:25:12,838 [Matt Daniels]: of all, like Lee and all the kids and all my other family members were incredible 385 00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:17,760 [Matt Daniels]: support and motivation. And then yeah, the gym had lots of lots of members 386 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,162 [Matt Daniels]: at the gym just really supportive in terms of their donating to the leukemia 387 00:25:21,182 --> 00:25:25,024 [Matt Daniels]: foundation and the fundraising night was really special. But then just being 388 00:25:25,044 --> 00:25:29,687 [Matt Daniels]: at the at the gym at the at the end of the 535th and final one pushing 389 00:25:29,727 --> 00:25:33,649 [Matt Daniels]: CADS pram we left late in the afternoon and sort of got back around 6 630. 390 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:38,634 [Matt Daniels]: and had a huge crowd there. So yeah, that was really special and the support 391 00:25:38,654 --> 00:25:42,117 [Matt Daniels]: was amazing, not just that night, but all the way through the whole 18 months. 392 00:25:42,852 --> 00:25:49,454 [Tyson]: Yeah, yeah with the um with the 21k day It's interesting because a lot of people 393 00:25:49,975 --> 00:25:54,597 [Tyson]: one of the most popular episodes on here ever has been Liam Adams Who was speaking 394 00:25:54,637 --> 00:25:58,418 [Tyson]: about how he's running a hundred and sixty K a week and he's doing that as a full-time 395 00:25:58,478 --> 00:26:03,100 [Tyson]: tradie. And I think it stood out to a lot of people from what I can tell, and a 396 00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:06,682 [Tyson]: couple of people that I've heard from, because a lot of people think if you wanna 397 00:26:06,722 --> 00:26:10,464 [Tyson]: do well at running, it has to just be all running. But even to hear you speak 398 00:26:10,484 --> 00:26:15,786 [Tyson]: about doing this 21K a day on top of your group sessions, on top of running a gym, 399 00:26:16,126 --> 00:26:19,348 [Tyson]: on top of the four kids that you had at the time, I see you added an extra one to 400 00:26:19,368 --> 00:26:20,608 [Tyson]: the batch since 401 00:26:20,493 --> 00:26:20,696 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah 402 00:26:20,649 --> 00:26:27,000 [Tyson]: then. I think it's really encouraging because it kind of broadens people's mindset 403 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,102 [Tyson]: of what they're capable of actually doing with their time. And I understand that 404 00:26:30,182 --> 00:26:33,585 [Tyson]: a lot of it comes down to your priorities and where it is that you put your attention. 405 00:26:33,605 --> 00:26:38,388 [Tyson]: But I don't know, do you have any general advice or any helpful advice around how you 406 00:26:38,749 --> 00:26:41,831 [Tyson]: manage your time? Because it seems like you're a kind of person who managed to 407 00:26:41,871 --> 00:26:47,335 [Tyson]: get a lot done with the day's work each and every day, or maybe even expand it 408 00:26:47,395 --> 00:26:51,097 [Tyson]: out to sort of the weeks. I know we have a couple of off days here and there. But 409 00:26:51,574 --> 00:26:54,967 [Tyson]: In terms of how you're squeezing all of that in, especially at that time, how are 410 00:26:54,987 --> 00:26:56,553 [Tyson]: you navigating that? How are you managing it? 411 00:26:57,258 --> 00:27:00,739 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, like I said, it was unbelievable support from Lee and the kids. Obviously without 412 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:06,241 [Matt Daniels]: their support, it wouldn't be possible. But yeah, like I said, just the why 413 00:27:06,261 --> 00:27:10,503 [Matt Daniels]: factor, so wanting to on a cad and just being in a zone to on a cad and just 414 00:27:10,543 --> 00:27:14,605 [Matt Daniels]: on a mission, it really become a priority. So there was some mornings there, 415 00:27:14,625 --> 00:27:18,506 [Matt Daniels]: I'd be doing sort of 3 a.m., 3.30 a.m. starts around the river to get it 416 00:27:18,526 --> 00:27:22,348 [Matt Daniels]: done by say 5.30 to get to the gym to set up to start our 417 00:27:22,281 --> 00:27:22,421 [Tyson]: I'm 418 00:27:22,368 --> 00:27:22,568 [Matt Daniels]: group 419 00:27:22,521 --> 00:27:22,922 [Tyson]: going 420 00:27:22,588 --> 00:27:22,968 [Matt Daniels]: training 421 00:27:22,962 --> 00:27:23,342 [Tyson]: to go ahead 422 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:23,408 [Matt Daniels]: at 423 00:27:23,362 --> 00:27:23,422 [Tyson]: and 424 00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:23,728 [Matt Daniels]: six 425 00:27:23,462 --> 00:27:23,803 [Tyson]: turn it 426 00:27:23,768 --> 00:27:24,049 [Matt Daniels]: or 6.30 427 00:27:24,023 --> 00:27:24,243 [Tyson]: off. 428 00:27:24,369 --> 00:27:28,178 [Matt Daniels]: or whatever it was. So... And if it wasn't that, it was the group training 429 00:27:28,198 --> 00:27:32,760 [Matt Daniels]: in the morning, 6.30 with a couple of PT sessions to sort of 9.10. And 430 00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:36,082 [Matt Daniels]: then I'd head down the river and then go and get it done. So it was really 431 00:27:36,102 --> 00:27:39,944 [Matt Daniels]: just making that half marathon mission a real priority in getting it done. 432 00:27:40,944 --> 00:27:45,206 [Matt Daniels]: Definitely wasn't easy, like I said, but, and then in between that, once 433 00:27:45,266 --> 00:27:49,288 [Matt Daniels]: I sort of got through that four to six weeks initial part, it was really just, 434 00:27:49,308 --> 00:27:52,109 [Matt Daniels]: yeah, looking after the body as best I can and then just ticking the runs 435 00:27:52,169 --> 00:27:55,579 [Matt Daniels]: off. week after week. So I had some really good support from some close friends 436 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,601 [Matt Daniels]: who would meet up every weekend would catch up and run. So that was great looking 437 00:27:58,621 --> 00:28:02,763 [Matt Daniels]: forward to some motivation, some accountability with those guys every weekend. 438 00:28:02,823 --> 00:28:03,784 [Matt Daniels]: So 439 00:28:03,214 --> 00:28:06,596 [Tyson]: I'm 440 00:28:03,804 --> 00:28:06,645 [Matt Daniels]: but I think it just come down to, you know, really wanting 441 00:28:06,636 --> 00:28:15,962 [Tyson]: going 442 00:28:06,665 --> 00:28:11,728 [Matt Daniels]: to honor Kat as best I could, making the running a priority because it was 443 00:28:11,808 --> 00:28:15,030 [Matt Daniels]: a, you know, an hour and a half, two hours out of my day, every single day. 444 00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:16,151 [Matt Daniels]: And if that meant three 445 00:28:15,982 --> 00:28:16,423 [Tyson]: to go ahead 446 00:28:16,191 --> 00:28:16,531 [Matt Daniels]: o'clock 447 00:28:16,443 --> 00:28:16,623 [Tyson]: and start 448 00:28:16,571 --> 00:28:16,631 [Matt Daniels]: or 449 00:28:16,643 --> 00:28:16,723 [Tyson]: the 450 00:28:16,671 --> 00:28:16,851 [Matt Daniels]: 330am 451 00:28:17,003 --> 00:28:25,789 [Tyson]: video. 452 00:28:17,932 --> 00:28:22,214 [Matt Daniels]: or at 7pm or 730 after our last group session, and that's just what sort of 453 00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:26,687 [Matt Daniels]: had to be done. So yeah, it was a priority and it's amazing how you can 454 00:28:26,728 --> 00:28:28,673 [Matt Daniels]: make things work when you when you really want it. 455 00:28:29,479 --> 00:28:33,861 [Tyson]: Yeah, so I've got two kids at home I've got two boys a three-year-old and a nine 456 00:28:33,901 --> 00:28:39,004 [Tyson]: month old and if I get through a day of just being a good dad And nothing else happens. 457 00:28:39,044 --> 00:28:43,106 [Tyson]: I got hey, well done Did very well today to 458 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:42,654 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 459 00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:48,249 [Tyson]: hear from people actually to go back mention him a couple of times now Cass's husband 460 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:52,151 [Tyson]: James he comes from a family of five and I used to go out to their house and love 461 00:28:52,211 --> 00:28:56,633 [Tyson]: the chaos as a Kid because I comment I was raised an only child. I got a half sister 462 00:28:57,286 --> 00:29:02,149 [Tyson]: But two boys now, I go, mate, my house is absolute chaos at the best of times. So 463 00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:06,413 [Tyson]: for me, to be fair, maybe this works in my favour because whenever I go out for 464 00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:10,376 [Tyson]: a run now, at times there's some incentive to extend the run just based on 465 00:29:10,338 --> 00:29:10,479 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 466 00:29:10,396 --> 00:29:13,318 [Tyson]: the fact, I know as much as I love them, I know I'm just coming into 467 00:29:13,528 --> 00:29:13,738 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 468 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,521 [Tyson]: wet nappies and temper tantrums, which is a... 469 00:29:17,018 --> 00:29:20,263 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, chaos. So I think that's another reason why we get out. We just 470 00:29:20,303 --> 00:29:24,370 [Matt Daniels]: need half an hour and out of ourselves because we know when we get back, 471 00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:26,673 [Matt Daniels]: it's all hands on deck with the with the kids. 472 00:29:27,134 --> 00:29:31,137 [Tyson]: Yeah, outside of running, I do a fair bit of stand-up comedy. And the only place 473 00:29:31,197 --> 00:29:34,280 [Tyson]: really that you can do stand-up comedy is down in Melbourne. I mean, there's a couple 474 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:38,644 [Tyson]: of local rooms to us, but my wife always goes, oh, you're so disciplined going down 475 00:29:38,664 --> 00:29:41,767 [Tyson]: there a few times a week. I don't know how you do it. I was like, yeah, babe, it's 476 00:29:41,887 --> 00:29:42,968 [Tyson]: just very disciplined, 477 00:29:42,766 --> 00:29:43,636 [Matt Daniels]: I'm 478 00:29:43,008 --> 00:29:45,150 [Tyson]: very inspired. 479 00:29:43,656 --> 00:29:44,040 [Matt Daniels]: sorry. 480 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:49,534 [Tyson]: But you look at what I'm missing. I'm painting myself in a bad light here, but you 481 00:29:49,554 --> 00:29:54,431 [Tyson]: look at what I'm missing, a bath time and dinner. and just the craziest time of the 482 00:29:54,451 --> 00:29:58,334 [Tyson]: day. So it really is, I feel like it takes more discipline to stay at home, but 483 00:29:58,615 --> 00:30:00,496 [Tyson]: I hope my door's shut here because I would never 484 00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:00,607 [Matt Daniels]: It's 485 00:30:00,536 --> 00:30:00,757 [Tyson]: admit 486 00:30:00,627 --> 00:30:00,789 [Matt Daniels]: like... 487 00:30:00,777 --> 00:30:00,917 [Tyson]: that 488 00:30:00,829 --> 00:30:01,192 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 489 00:30:00,957 --> 00:30:05,561 [Tyson]: to her or not too often anyway, because I've got a pretty good reputation in her mind 490 00:30:05,581 --> 00:30:05,901 [Tyson]: right now. 491 00:30:06,666 --> 00:30:10,649 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, well after, like you said, that sort of five o'clock onwards, the dinner, 492 00:30:10,689 --> 00:30:15,234 [Matt Daniels]: bath, books, sort of bed time is, yeah, that's insane. It's quite busy. It's 493 00:30:15,274 --> 00:30:20,058 [Matt Daniels]: chaotic here. So, but yeah, like the half marathons, we get through it 494 00:30:20,078 --> 00:30:20,619 [Matt Daniels]: every day and 495 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:21,126 [Tyson]: Hehehe 496 00:30:20,639 --> 00:30:23,341 [Matt Daniels]: then, yeah, get some sleep and then go again. 497 00:30:24,022 --> 00:30:29,409 [Tyson]: What was your hardest challenge, for lack of a better word, like 55 marathons, 55 498 00:30:29,449 --> 00:30:32,292 [Tyson]: days, five kids, 535 499 00:30:32,183 --> 00:30:32,388 [Matt Daniels]: Okay. 500 00:30:33,374 --> 00:30:38,420 [Tyson]: halves in 535 days, which one? That one sounds the hardest to me, the 535 that 501 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,181 [Tyson]: we just spoke about. 502 00:30:39,946 --> 00:30:43,187 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, that one would be it. So obviously the marathons were challenging, 503 00:30:43,207 --> 00:30:47,689 [Matt Daniels]: but that was 55 days, you know, a couple of months and it's over. 160 Ks in 504 00:30:47,709 --> 00:30:51,291 [Matt Daniels]: the treadmill was just a 24 hour thing. So that again was challenging, 505 00:30:51,311 --> 00:30:55,292 [Matt Daniels]: but that was done and dusted in 24 hours. So yeah, it's just the length 506 00:30:55,452 --> 00:30:59,614 [Matt Daniels]: and the amount of Ks every week for a year and a half. Like I said, 70 plus 507 00:30:59,654 --> 00:31:04,356 [Matt Daniels]: weeks of 150 Ks a week. Yeah, just week after week. So that one was definitely 508 00:31:04,376 --> 00:31:08,339 [Matt Daniels]: the most challenging, most time consuming. And probably looking back, the one 509 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:12,422 [Matt Daniels]: I'm sort of most proud of just being able to finally complete CAD's mission 510 00:31:12,582 --> 00:31:15,785 [Matt Daniels]: and raise some good amount of money for the Leukemia Foundation by doing 511 00:31:15,805 --> 00:31:16,065 [Matt Daniels]: that one. 512 00:31:16,658 --> 00:31:20,240 [Tyson]: Yeah, are you the kind of guy with the 55 marathons? I'm just doing the mass here. 513 00:31:20,260 --> 00:31:23,841 [Tyson]: What's that? That's 280k a week a little bit more but closer to 300 is it? 514 00:31:25,368 --> 00:31:29,042 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, close to 300 Ks a week. So yeah, 42 Ks, yeah. 515 00:31:29,514 --> 00:31:35,658 [Tyson]: So how are you managing that? Is that pretty intensive on recovery and were you fueling 516 00:31:35,698 --> 00:31:39,440 [Tyson]: with jowls and things? Or how did you, like obviously 517 00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:39,379 [Matt Daniels]: Yes. 518 00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,943 [Tyson]: disciplines and inspiring part of it, but in terms of just how do you keep the body 519 00:31:42,963 --> 00:31:45,685 [Tyson]: just getting back up and doing it again and again, is 520 00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:45,790 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, 521 00:31:45,725 --> 00:31:45,805 [Tyson]: the 522 00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:45,830 [Matt Daniels]: I 523 00:31:45,845 --> 00:31:46,025 [Tyson]: part 524 00:31:45,850 --> 00:31:46,350 [Matt Daniels]: was basically, 525 00:31:46,125 --> 00:31:46,685 [Tyson]: I get confused 526 00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:46,870 [Matt Daniels]: yeah, 527 00:31:46,725 --> 00:31:46,905 [Tyson]: about. 528 00:31:47,271 --> 00:31:51,894 [Matt Daniels]: I was eating anything and everything pretty much. Yeah, burning so many calories, 529 00:31:51,934 --> 00:31:54,776 [Matt Daniels]: obviously with the, with the, you know, four hours, four and a half hours, 530 00:31:54,796 --> 00:31:58,639 [Matt Daniels]: whatever I was out there for. It wasn't so much about time. It was just about 531 00:31:58,679 --> 00:32:02,862 [Matt Daniels]: getting the case done and taking off a marathon and getting home and recovering 532 00:32:02,902 --> 00:32:06,905 [Matt Daniels]: as best I can. Same thing with the gym that was in 2016. I still had the gym 533 00:32:06,965 --> 00:32:12,029 [Matt Daniels]: and the kids. So it was busy, busy. But yeah, trying to recover as best as 534 00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:15,968 [Matt Daniels]: you can. And then. just getting the most sort of quality sleep you can before 535 00:32:15,988 --> 00:32:20,172 [Matt Daniels]: you sort of get up and yeah, get the four hours or four and a half hours 536 00:32:20,192 --> 00:32:23,795 [Matt Daniels]: or whatever it was with the marathons and just ticking them off. And same 537 00:32:23,815 --> 00:32:26,537 [Matt Daniels]: as probably the half marathons early on is the first sort of week or two it 538 00:32:26,557 --> 00:32:30,981 [Matt Daniels]: was quite challenging on the body. But then after that it become, yeah, 539 00:32:31,021 --> 00:32:35,525 [Matt Daniels]: just something that I wanted to tick off and achieve. And yeah, I mean, 540 00:32:35,545 --> 00:32:39,008 [Matt Daniels]: it wasn't easy, but it was a lot more sort of bearable once I got through 541 00:32:39,028 --> 00:32:40,369 [Matt Daniels]: that first two week period. 542 00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:45,132 [Tyson]: Yeah, but you've worked with an incredible amount of recreational runners, people who 543 00:32:45,152 --> 00:32:49,334 [Tyson]: have sort of just stepped foot through the door essentially, and started to build 544 00:32:49,354 --> 00:32:54,697 [Tyson]: their way up. Are there any standout factors of what holds people back? I can imagine 545 00:32:54,717 --> 00:32:57,178 [Tyson]: there'd be a lot of people that eventually come to you and go, I've been meaning to reach 546 00:32:57,218 --> 00:33:01,721 [Tyson]: out for ages. Well, I'm sort of projecting there because I think I've had a couple of 547 00:33:01,781 --> 00:33:07,395 [Tyson]: experiences like that. and people have been a little bit standoffish initially. But 548 00:33:07,435 --> 00:33:11,825 [Tyson]: in terms of what's holding people back from improvement from a recreational level, 549 00:33:12,106 --> 00:33:13,649 [Tyson]: have you seen some familiar traits? 550 00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:19,311 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, that's a good question. Holding people back. Yeah, I think people just, 551 00:33:21,151 --> 00:33:23,572 [Matt Daniels]: you've got to be patient, as you know, in running, you really got to be 552 00:33:23,632 --> 00:33:29,314 [Matt Daniels]: patient. You can't just go out and two weeks later, go from zero to 5K in 553 00:33:29,354 --> 00:33:33,915 [Matt Daniels]: two weeks, or zero to 5K in five weeks. And if you do, you're just going 554 00:33:33,935 --> 00:33:36,996 [Matt Daniels]: to get injured and you're going to pick up a niggle and you're going to dislike 555 00:33:37,036 --> 00:33:40,317 [Matt Daniels]: running, and then you're going to stop running and then never run again, because 556 00:33:40,337 --> 00:33:43,310 [Matt Daniels]: you're going to hate it and think it's a... you know, bad for your knees 557 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:45,733 [Matt Daniels]: and a bad sport and all those sort of things. So you really got to be patient 558 00:33:45,753 --> 00:33:50,917 [Matt Daniels]: with it and you've really got to be consistent as well. So those two things 559 00:33:51,258 --> 00:33:55,562 [Matt Daniels]: are really important. So I think those that, I mean, don't stick to the plan 560 00:33:55,642 --> 00:33:58,605 [Matt Daniels]: or try to jump too far ahead. We almost want the first few weeks of every 561 00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:02,809 [Matt Daniels]: training program just to be almost too easy for you. Just so you're getting 562 00:34:02,869 --> 00:34:06,212 [Matt Daniels]: it done, you're not anxious or overwhelmed about getting out. You just 563 00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:09,462 [Matt Daniels]: get out, you tick off what you need to tick off. Yes, it might be a little 564 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:12,163 [Matt Daniels]: bit easier, but that's exactly what we want it to be in the first few weeks. 565 00:34:12,203 --> 00:34:14,724 [Matt Daniels]: And then after sort of two, three, four weeks, they can start to get some 566 00:34:14,764 --> 00:34:20,106 [Matt Daniels]: real momentum with their running, can build a bit of confidence, a bit of self-belief, 567 00:34:20,146 --> 00:34:22,447 [Matt Daniels]: a bit of strength with their running, and then start to really believe that 568 00:34:22,467 --> 00:34:26,229 [Matt Daniels]: they can actually do it because the first few weeks have been quite easy. And 569 00:34:26,249 --> 00:34:30,210 [Matt Daniels]: then from there, yeah, if they start stringing the runs together, you know, 570 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:33,532 [Matt Daniels]: every second day, every third day, then they can really get some good momentum 571 00:34:33,552 --> 00:34:36,993 [Matt Daniels]: with their running and start to really believe in their goal and what they 572 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:40,887 [Matt Daniels]: can achieve. But... For those that have struggled, I think they've just tried 573 00:34:40,907 --> 00:34:45,870 [Matt Daniels]: to do too much too soon. Or they've taken the approach that they've grabbed 574 00:34:45,910 --> 00:34:49,852 [Matt Daniels]: an online training program that's giving them, you know, one mile reps in week 575 00:34:49,972 --> 00:34:53,714 [Matt Daniels]: one, which is just crazy because some of them can't run for 30 seconds or 60 576 00:34:53,754 --> 00:34:56,876 [Matt Daniels]: seconds and they've got a program that's given them, you know, something crazy 577 00:34:56,916 --> 00:35:01,658 [Matt Daniels]: like a K reps or mile reps or something like that. So, yeah, it's just having 578 00:35:01,678 --> 00:35:05,340 [Matt Daniels]: a, someone in your corner who knows exactly sort of where you're at with 579 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,209 [Matt Daniels]: your fitness and your, and your running history. and who believes in you and 580 00:35:09,229 --> 00:35:12,076 [Matt Daniels]: who will help you out there, you know, in the safest way. So you're running 581 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:14,021 [Matt Daniels]: and building up the right way. 582 00:35:14,742 --> 00:35:18,124 [Tyson]: Yeah, that's really well said it sounds like there's a lot of admin that comes with 583 00:35:18,144 --> 00:35:21,045 [Tyson]: this tracking the progress of an athlete and making Sure, you're not building them up 584 00:35:21,065 --> 00:35:24,387 [Tyson]: too quickly. I'm a big fan of training peaks I don't know if you use that for any 585 00:35:24,427 --> 00:35:28,969 [Tyson]: of the athletes that you coach But in terms of just cataloging the actual training 586 00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:32,410 [Tyson]: and seeing the progress I find that really helpful What do you do? I've seen a 587 00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:36,032 [Tyson]: few photos just with the classic pen and paper Which I'm a big fan of as well just 588 00:35:36,592 --> 00:35:39,193 [Tyson]: riding the training program crossing off the athletes just to let them know that 589 00:35:39,233 --> 00:35:43,248 [Tyson]: it's done It's uploaded What platform do you use to upload it on or is it just an 590 00:35:43,348 --> 00:35:43,689 [Tyson]: email? Yeah, 591 00:35:44,182 --> 00:35:47,544 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, it's just an email. So I'm pretty old school like that. 592 00:35:47,512 --> 00:35:47,732 [Tyson]: nah, 593 00:35:47,564 --> 00:35:48,545 [Matt Daniels]: So 594 00:35:47,792 --> 00:35:48,693 [Tyson]: I like it. I like 595 00:35:48,565 --> 00:35:48,825 [Matt Daniels]: I've looked 596 00:35:48,733 --> 00:35:48,793 [Tyson]: it. 597 00:35:48,865 --> 00:35:51,748 [Matt Daniels]: at training peeps, I've looked at Final Surge, I've sort of hummed an art 598 00:35:51,768 --> 00:35:57,612 [Matt Daniels]: about going down that avenue with the apps, but yeah, like I said, I'm pretty 599 00:35:57,672 --> 00:36:01,456 [Matt Daniels]: old school in regards to, so I just, yeah, PDF email, send through five 600 00:36:01,496 --> 00:36:04,838 [Matt Daniels]: week blocks at a time with their training. I've got everyone in their folders 601 00:36:04,858 --> 00:36:09,842 [Matt Daniels]: where they need to be, whether they're doing Gold Coast, Run Melbourne, Geelong 602 00:36:09,862 --> 00:36:13,565 [Matt Daniels]: Half Marathon, whatever it may be. I've got the folders on the desktop there. 603 00:36:14,938 --> 00:36:18,279 [Matt Daniels]: I've got my coaching clients there, so my three, six and 12 month coaching 604 00:36:18,299 --> 00:36:21,480 [Matt Daniels]: clients in a different folder. So I know where everyone's at, what they're 605 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,241 [Matt Daniels]: doing, what sessions they've done. Yeah, I touch base with them quite regularly. 606 00:36:26,901 --> 00:36:31,083 [Matt Daniels]: Obviously have them in the Strava. Strava clubs there, so I'm all over their training. 607 00:36:31,243 --> 00:36:34,124 [Matt Daniels]: And then, yeah, we touch base quite regularly to check in and see how things 608 00:36:34,164 --> 00:36:37,045 [Matt Daniels]: are going. And then I'll update it every five weeks and send through their 609 00:36:37,065 --> 00:36:42,521 [Matt Daniels]: next training block and revise it as we need. So. Yeah, I've got quite a few 610 00:36:42,682 --> 00:36:49,334 [Matt Daniels]: active clients on the books now. So yeah, those apps for now anyway, I'm 611 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,417 [Matt Daniels]: quite happy with the old school PDF approach. 612 00:36:51,727 --> 00:36:55,449 [Tyson]: Now I like it I always I always get a hard time off my friends because besides 613 00:36:55,509 --> 00:36:59,312 [Tyson]: training peaks I'm fairly old school myself So I'm actually hearing you speak about 614 00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:03,655 [Tyson]: this. It's almost you know how pen and paper is a little bit nostalgic to some 615 00:37:03,695 --> 00:37:04,455 [Tyson]: people I'm 616 00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:04,581 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 617 00:37:04,495 --> 00:37:08,318 [Tyson]: starting to feel that way about email like you know what like they're back in the 618 00:37:08,338 --> 00:37:09,539 [Tyson]: back when I was a kid That was the best 619 00:37:09,351 --> 00:37:09,635 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 620 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,262 [Tyson]: way to do it, but yeah, I definitely agree with it So do you um do you have a bit 621 00:37:14,302 --> 00:37:18,365 [Tyson]: of a structure as to when you sit down and actually write the training prams? Programs 622 00:37:18,445 --> 00:37:21,540 [Tyson]: alright today's Monday We're gonna make sure that everyone's up to date. Or how 623 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,627 [Tyson]: do you structure that? Because it's a lot to keep your head around. 624 00:37:24,342 --> 00:37:27,582 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, it is. And everyone's really different. So there's so many different 625 00:37:27,602 --> 00:37:30,923 [Matt Daniels]: things to take into account for the runners. So like, for example, I had 626 00:37:30,943 --> 00:37:35,025 [Matt Daniels]: a lot of people do the run Melbourne half marathon a couple of days ago, but that 627 00:37:35,045 --> 00:37:38,446 [Matt Daniels]: was sort of smack bang in the middle of the program for say the Sydney marathon 628 00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:44,087 [Matt Daniels]: in nine weeks or the Melbourne marathon in 13 weeks. Some did the 10K run 629 00:37:44,107 --> 00:37:48,088 [Matt Daniels]: Melbourne and then arriving off the half marathon at Melbourne. So everyone's 630 00:37:48,128 --> 00:37:50,409 [Matt Daniels]: a little bit different in regards to sort of where they're at and what they're 631 00:37:50,429 --> 00:37:54,234 [Matt Daniels]: doing with their program. But I know sort of, yeah, like I said, exactly 632 00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:57,096 [Matt Daniels]: where everyone's at and stuff like that. So, and everyone's different in 633 00:37:57,136 --> 00:38:00,637 [Matt Daniels]: regards to days they train, what days they want their sessions on, when 634 00:38:00,678 --> 00:38:04,159 [Matt Daniels]: they prefer to do their long run, Saturday or Sunday. So all the coaching 635 00:38:04,179 --> 00:38:07,321 [Matt Daniels]: is all personalized. So like, if you want to head out Saturday, if you long 636 00:38:07,361 --> 00:38:11,383 [Matt Daniels]: run, we make it Saturday, we rest Sunday, we do a recovery run Monday and 637 00:38:11,403 --> 00:38:14,664 [Matt Daniels]: then away we go. But everyone's a little bit different. Some people can only 638 00:38:14,704 --> 00:38:18,768 [Matt Daniels]: commit to, you know, three runs a week. which is fine. Obviously those doing 639 00:38:18,788 --> 00:38:21,131 [Matt Daniels]: the marathon, we want to get some more mileage. So they're doing sort of 640 00:38:21,151 --> 00:38:25,958 [Matt Daniels]: four or five days of training. So yeah, it's a little bit tricky to answer 641 00:38:25,978 --> 00:38:29,443 [Matt Daniels]: just because there's so many different things for so many different people, 642 00:38:29,483 --> 00:38:33,228 [Matt Daniels]: depending on their goals and where they're at and at what stage they're 643 00:38:33,248 --> 00:38:34,189 [Matt Daniels]: at with their running journey. 644 00:38:34,883 --> 00:38:38,304 [Tyson]: Yeah, I'm jumping around a little bit here, but one question I was meant to ask you, 645 00:38:38,664 --> 00:38:42,165 [Tyson]: and I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. Obviously running the gym back in 646 00:38:42,205 --> 00:38:47,047 [Tyson]: the day, there'd be a lot of strength work, mobility work, flexibility and stuff 647 00:38:47,067 --> 00:38:52,269 [Tyson]: that just sneaks into your day, even probably without much conscious effort. But 648 00:38:52,489 --> 00:38:56,726 [Tyson]: I was wondering, looking at just the durability. that your body obviously has when 649 00:38:56,746 --> 00:39:01,090 [Tyson]: it comes to some of these more extreme endurance challenges, how much you credit the 650 00:39:01,150 --> 00:39:06,414 [Tyson]: actual strength side of your background to enabling you to do that. Because I don't 651 00:39:06,434 --> 00:39:11,317 [Tyson]: know too many people that, and I know like, just to emphasize that I heard, that 652 00:39:11,337 --> 00:39:15,941 [Tyson]: you had the history of running as a young guy, but even still with a history of 653 00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:19,123 [Tyson]: running as a young guy to doing the challenge that you put yourself through, there's 654 00:39:19,143 --> 00:39:23,394 [Tyson]: obviously something special or something that people don't know about going on. in your 655 00:39:23,434 --> 00:39:27,060 [Tyson]: own training program. So how much is that is credited to, you know, strength and 656 00:39:27,481 --> 00:39:30,225 [Tyson]: mobility and technique and, you know, whatever else it might be. 657 00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:33,823 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, good question. So I'll probably, I reckon probably like most 658 00:39:33,843 --> 00:39:38,226 [Matt Daniels]: runners I've neglected the strength stuff, you know, more than I'd like to admit 659 00:39:38,786 --> 00:39:42,448 [Matt Daniels]: over the years. The last sort of six to 12 months, I've really improved that 660 00:39:42,528 --> 00:39:47,311 [Matt Daniels]: area. So two strength sessions a week. Mobility again, something I could definitely 661 00:39:47,631 --> 00:39:50,573 [Matt Daniels]: improve on trying to find time to squeeze it all in. So I could definitely 662 00:39:50,593 --> 00:39:54,175 [Matt Daniels]: improve on the mobility stuff, but yeah, I do two strength sessions a week 663 00:39:54,195 --> 00:39:58,177 [Matt Daniels]: now in combination with the running. So I run five days and I do two strength 664 00:39:58,197 --> 00:40:01,758 [Matt Daniels]: sessions on the other days, but. Over the journey, yeah, definitely done 665 00:40:01,778 --> 00:40:04,940 [Matt Daniels]: a little bit of the strength stuff, but probably not as much as people think, 666 00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:09,962 [Matt Daniels]: but there has been like a, yeah, a bit of a strength foundation there over the 667 00:40:09,982 --> 00:40:13,484 [Matt Daniels]: journey with some of these long charity runs as I was building up for Adelaide 668 00:40:13,504 --> 00:40:16,986 [Matt Daniels]: and then obviously the marathons and then the half marathon journey over 18 669 00:40:17,006 --> 00:40:23,409 [Matt Daniels]: months. So, but I think, yeah, we all neglected a little bit. So, yeah, definitely 670 00:40:23,449 --> 00:40:25,049 [Matt Daniels]: guilty of that in the past as well. 671 00:40:25,774 --> 00:40:29,915 [Tyson]: Yeah, yeah, it seems to be a bit of a theme with distance runners I caught up with 672 00:40:29,935 --> 00:40:33,877 [Tyson]: a bloke I used to run with Nick Whiteman. So he's a he's a pretty I think he's run about 673 00:40:33,937 --> 00:40:38,739 [Tyson]: 29 30 He's a 225 runner. He actually it's funny. He so the house I'm living in now 674 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:44,422 [Tyson]: coincidentally, he lives about 60 meters that way and The other days he saw me he goes 675 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,963 [Tyson]: away you live in I said mate. I'm just around the corner he goes great, let's go for 676 00:40:46,983 --> 00:40:50,945 [Tyson]: our long run and He sucker punched me because I've been working back quietly 677 00:40:50,763 --> 00:40:51,071 [Matt Daniels]: Hehehe 678 00:40:50,985 --> 00:40:53,414 [Tyson]: and he's just as fit as a fiddle So we 679 00:40:53,454 --> 00:40:53,659 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 680 00:40:53,454 --> 00:40:56,995 [Tyson]: called out there for a 90 minute long run He's chatting away and I'm just doing my 681 00:40:57,015 --> 00:41:01,276 [Tyson]: best to keep up But that was one thing we've spoken about is that it's just how funny 682 00:41:01,316 --> 00:41:05,377 [Tyson]: it is that Distance runners forget about the importance of strength work And even 683 00:41:05,397 --> 00:41:08,698 [Tyson]: though I can see it now because I'm getting so much more focused on my goal was 684 00:41:08,998 --> 00:41:12,519 [Tyson]: to it's still my goal I'm training for the Melbourne Marathon and just crossing 685 00:41:12,539 --> 00:41:15,820 [Tyson]: my fingers someone gets hurt 686 00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:14,466 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 687 00:41:17,541 --> 00:41:18,721 [Tyson]: As long as that person's not me 688 00:41:19,574 --> 00:41:19,777 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 689 00:41:19,954 --> 00:41:23,455 [Tyson]: Yeah, just I'm trying to figure out a way to get into that Melbourne marathon. 690 00:41:23,475 --> 00:41:27,317 [Tyson]: But in the process of increasing my running miles, I've noticed, okay, like last 691 00:41:27,337 --> 00:41:30,158 [Tyson]: week, I only did one strength session when usually I'm fairly disciplined in that 692 00:41:30,218 --> 00:41:35,380 [Tyson]: area. Yeah, just it slips away for whatever reason, but it is, it's interesting 693 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,042 [Tyson]: when you look at a guy like Jakub Ingebrigtsen, or Mo Farah has a couple of YouTube videos 694 00:41:40,362 --> 00:41:44,564 [Tyson]: where he actually delves into the importance of that strength and mobility work for a runner. 695 00:41:44,944 --> 00:41:49,366 [Tyson]: It's strange how it's kind of forgotten, but I guess, you know, when you look at what 696 00:41:49,386 --> 00:41:52,807 [Tyson]: it is we're trying to achieve. It's maybe no surprise that so many athletes will 697 00:41:52,847 --> 00:41:56,448 [Tyson]: like yourself. And I've just credited you the, the Hulk status, uh, because of all 698 00:41:56,488 --> 00:41:58,929 [Tyson]: the strength work you've done, but apparently you just, uh, you 699 00:41:58,830 --> 00:41:59,061 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. 700 00:41:58,949 --> 00:42:03,050 [Tyson]: just gifted naturally and can get through it, but it really does seem to benefit, um, 701 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:08,312 [Tyson]: our ability just to, you know, continually be consistent, which, you know, like I say, 702 00:42:08,332 --> 00:42:11,393 [Tyson]: and you just said, he's, he's such an important part of developing as a runner. 703 00:42:12,246 --> 00:42:15,988 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I think it's really important. It definitely should be in the training programs 704 00:42:16,008 --> 00:42:20,071 [Matt Daniels]: and it should compliment the running. So your strength shouldn't be so much 705 00:42:20,211 --> 00:42:23,273 [Matt Daniels]: and so big and so heavy that it really affects your running if your running 706 00:42:23,293 --> 00:42:25,574 [Matt Daniels]: is the thing you wanna do. But it should definitely compliment the running, 707 00:42:25,594 --> 00:42:29,877 [Matt Daniels]: whether it's one, two, three strength sessions a week and some mobility 708 00:42:29,897 --> 00:42:34,060 [Matt Daniels]: stuff would be awesome in and around, you know, your three, four, five, six 709 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:38,214 [Matt Daniels]: runs a week, whatever people are doing. So... And it's really good mentally, 710 00:42:38,354 --> 00:42:41,296 [Matt Daniels]: obviously as well, knowing when you do get to your events that you put all 711 00:42:41,316 --> 00:42:44,318 [Matt Daniels]: the work in, not just with your running and your mileage and doing that really 712 00:42:44,358 --> 00:42:47,840 [Matt Daniels]: smartly, but you've got that strength working, the legs are strong, you're 713 00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:50,501 [Matt Daniels]: feeling really, really good physically and mentally, and you're able to 714 00:42:50,881 --> 00:42:56,484 [Matt Daniels]: go out and execute your race day strategy on the back of being really consistent 715 00:42:56,524 --> 00:42:58,785 [Matt Daniels]: with that strength component, as well as the running component. 716 00:42:59,415 --> 00:43:04,138 [Tyson]: Yeah, before I let you go have you got any other little challenges or big challenges 717 00:43:04,238 --> 00:43:08,461 [Tyson]: or Anything on the cards that you're gonna be putting yourself through in the in 718 00:43:08,481 --> 00:43:09,081 [Tyson]: the near future 719 00:43:09,738 --> 00:43:11,398 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I'll get access a little bit now. I haven't 720 00:43:11,222 --> 00:43:11,363 [Tyson]: Hehehe 721 00:43:11,438 --> 00:43:16,900 [Matt Daniels]: actually got anything on the cards. Like I said, I got Cad's pram that he 722 00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:20,981 [Matt Daniels]: pushed around Australia on my 535th and final half marathon. I've got Cad's 723 00:43:21,021 --> 00:43:29,283 [Matt Daniels]: pram still here. So I'm really keen one day to do another big, you know, fundraising, 724 00:43:29,343 --> 00:43:33,644 [Matt Daniels]: leukemia foundation fundraising run with the pram. So I've just got to work 725 00:43:33,804 --> 00:43:37,125 [Matt Daniels]: out what I want to do and when I want to do it and how I'm going to do it. 726 00:43:37,718 --> 00:43:41,040 [Matt Daniels]: how it's gonna work with the family and all those sort of obstacles. So 727 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,804 [Matt Daniels]: I definitely plan on doing something, yeah, with the pram down the track, but I'm 728 00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:50,087 [Matt Daniels]: just not quite sure yet. Yeah, I'm just happy running and staying injury free 729 00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:54,690 [Matt Daniels]: and obviously loving the coaching, but yeah, I'm sure there'll be another big 730 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:59,193 [Matt Daniels]: one, maybe next year at some stage, but I've got to work it out first. 731 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,261 [Tyson]: Yeah, awesome man, well dude, I'm loving what you're doing. I'm sorry. It's taking us 732 00:44:03,461 --> 00:44:08,174 [Tyson]: so long to finally catch up but I mean it's been good to sit down and actually touch 733 00:44:08,194 --> 00:44:11,340 [Tyson]: base with you have a chat to you and meet you in person I'm a big fan of what you're 734 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,946 [Tyson]: doing. So you keep up the great stuff and for anyone interested I'll make sure I 735 00:44:14,966 --> 00:44:18,232 [Tyson]: tag your Instagram and your website and stuff in the in the show description or 736 00:44:18,252 --> 00:44:18,893 [Tyson]: the notes below 737 00:44:19,874 --> 00:44:23,305 [Matt Daniels]: Now, worries, thanks for having us on Tyson. Appreciate and keep up your awesome 738 00:44:23,325 --> 00:44:26,716 [Matt Daniels]: work you're doing with the coaching and in the podcast with the in the running 739 00:44:26,736 --> 00:44:27,097 [Matt Daniels]: community. 740 00:44:27,586 --> 00:44:33,171 [Tyson]: Thanks, man. Yeah, we'll do. We'll see you soon. See you later, everybody. Great 741 00:44:33,211 --> 00:44:33,332 [Tyson]: man.