{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":6.31,"endTime":10.12,"body":"Welcome to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I interview"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":10.12,"endTime":13.93,"body":"various instructional designers to figure out what instructional designers do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":14.35,"endTime":16.209,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, your podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":16.66,"endTime":19.33,"body":"If you're interested in a different kind of professional development"},{"speaker":"REBECCA: this season, check out https","startTime":19.33,"endTime":23.71,"body":"//myfest.equityunbound.org"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":23.8,"endTime":27.61,"body":"That's myfest.equityunbound.org"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":28.39,"endTime":32.529,"body":"If you enjoy this podcast, please consider subscribing or leaving"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":32.529,"endTime":35.47,"body":"a comment on the show notes blog post and consider"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":35.47,"endTime":38.44,"body":"helping to support the podcast with a donation to my"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":38.44,"endTime":39.34,"body":"Patreon account."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":41.1,"endTime":45.06,"body":"Welcome, Rachael, to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":45.06,"endTime":48.03,"body":"interview instructional designers about what instructional designers do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":48.57,"endTime":50.37,"body":"Can you start by telling us a little bit about"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":50.37,"endTime":50.82,"body":"yourself?"},{"speaker":"RACHAEL","startTime":51.66,"endTime":52.29,"body":"Certainly."},{"speaker":"RACHAEL","startTime":52.29,"endTime":53.82,"body":"Thanks for having me, Rebecca."},{"speaker":"RACHAEL","startTime":54.33,"endTime":57.48,"body":"My name is Rachel Assignon, and I started my 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journey"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1456.07,"endTime":1460.15,"body":"has been and also about your world as a corporate"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1460.15,"endTime":1461.08,"body":"instructional designer."},{"speaker":"RACHAEL","startTime":1462.09,"endTime":1462.92,"body":"Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"RACHAEL","startTime":1462.93,"endTime":1464.91,"body":"This has been a privilege to talk with you and"},{"speaker":"RACHAEL","startTime":1465.27,"endTime":1467.04,"body":"hopefully your students benefit as well."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1468.0,"endTime":1471.51,"body":"You've been listening to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1471.51,"endTime":1474.24,"body":"I interview instructional designers about what they do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1474.84,"endTime":1476.82,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, your podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1477.39,"endTime":1480.6,"body":"Show notes are posted 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