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Welcome to Sideline, the podcast for political homeless.

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For those who, if anything, abuse their talent.

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Around the table today is a talented Trond

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Sørensen and me, Vegard Agnes.

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Also quite talented.

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Yes, I think you're drunk.

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Yes, a little bit.

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I've gotten drunk.

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But it's the first time I've gotten drunk

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in 10-15 years.

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And it hasn't been something I've done in

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real life.

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It's the opposite of evolution for us.

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Yes, I've gotten drunk.

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You've had three beers now.

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Yes, I've stopped completely.

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So now my form is a bit like...

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If I drink only clean stuff, I think

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I can drink three quarters of a bottle

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of white wine in the evening and go

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to work the next morning without thinking about

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it.

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I could do that when I was younger.

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Yes, I couldn't do that before.

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Then it was going to work-sickness, a

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disease that I just had to go through

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to build my character.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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But your brothers-in-law were surprised by

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your professional dedication.

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Yes, I deliberately ordered things.

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I drove a truck, I was wrong.

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I should have used my...

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I got another job, but on the other

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side.

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Maybe it's because I drive a truck.

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You seemed too smart to drive a truck.

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That was probably the implication.

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Yes, fake it till you make it.

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But that's nice.

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Yes, yes, I take it as a compliment.

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If you come from smart people, it's nice

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to hear that.

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And that's probably smart people we can risk

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getting on the podcast at some point, I

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think.

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Yes, that's not...

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You always have a backup plan.

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You're out massaging people who are going to

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give a lecture at Lib Aften or come

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to the podcast.

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That wasn't really the backup plan.

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Now the backup plan was to lift a

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friend who needed to be lifted.

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Upstairs?

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And I think...

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I think he's going to be sick today.

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Yes, that's how it is.

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Then we gather the troops to go out

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and lift those who need to be lifted.

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That's good.

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Fine with some light stuff today.

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Yes, we can.

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Since it's the day you're on, we can

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do it alcohol-related.

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We can do that, absolutely.

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Yes.

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And what's better than talking a little about

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Nanny State?

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Yes, Nanny State.

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That's...

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Nanny State alcohol.

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It has a tendency to go very hand

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in hand.

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Let's start with a construction store.

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While the rest of society automates to ensure

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efficiency and survival, the state administrator in Agder

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has taken on the role as a technological

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brake.

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They now believe in taking district stores straight

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to selling alcohol.

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It's as if the cash machine is not

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operated by a person of meat and blood.

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It's not just a struggle for beer sales,

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it's a fundamental struggle for economic freedom in

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the districts where the state's rigid interpretation of

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social control threatens to turn the lights off

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in the outskirts of Norway for good.

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And this is a made-up problem out

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of nothing.

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And this is what makes it so stupid.

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I don't know how many of our listeners

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have been to such self-service stores around

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Bygda.

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But it's probably a store that has an

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opening hour with people at work, right?

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And you fill up on goods and put

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goods in the checkout and all that.

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I've been to several of them.

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But then they go home and the doors

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of the store are locked.

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But by withdrawing your bank card, it costs

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you one door, so you can go in

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and shop.

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And then you have to go in and

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pick up goods and pay them yourself.

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And then you're done.

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And if you need assistance, you press a

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button and someone on the back seat picks

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up the phone and explains to you what

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to do.

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Their beer sales tend to close around the

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time they go home.

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Because if you have a beer sale in

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a store in Norway, you have to comply

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with the rules of the state when you

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are allowed to sell beer.

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unnecessary but if you also have people there

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until eight o'clock every night, then there

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will be an implication.

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But I can understand from a state perspective

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that a self-employed store without people to

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see that there are not 13-year-olds

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who are in there with their mother's bank

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card.

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I see the impulse there.

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Yes, I also see the impulse.

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And then I think you can't sell beer

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without being there.

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So if you go home at six o

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'clock, you have to lock your beer fridge

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and then the store can be open for

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the rest of the day.

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Wasn't this just that they were not allowed

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to sell after the last employee goes home?

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That would have been a rational, sensible approach

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as you and I would have made if

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we had opposed the Social Democrats.

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And now they tried to channel the nanny

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state perspective.

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But it didn't work, because it was too

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stupid.

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It's deceiving in a way.

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What we're saying is that if you're going

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to have such a self-employed store, you're

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not allowed to sell tobacco and alcohol at

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any time of the day.

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So even if you have people at work,

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you're not allowed to sell alcohol.

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That's not how we do it.

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What makes this so sad is that these

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stores are dependent on this technology to survive.

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These are small storefronts that were on their

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way to collapse.

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They were on their way to saying, we

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can't do this anymore, it's too expensive to

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run.

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And then this solution came.

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And when that solution came, we were like,

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wow, now we can keep running.

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But now we get so much bigger turnover

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that we actually hire people in addition.

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We need more people at work to handle

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the increased turnover as a result of having

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this technology.

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We keep this storefront alive and all those

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who are connected to it get to keep

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the storefront where they belong in this grey

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area.

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It reminds me of that saying by Tor

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The idea of who the hell is going

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to sell food to the people in the

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districts.

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taken the daily goods out of the state's

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hands to ensure that everyone got access to

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food everywhere, the argument would have been that

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if not for the state, you would sell

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daily goods only where it was profitable.

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And it's funny when you have a market

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that actually delivers.

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And what the state does is to try

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its utmost to get the stores out of

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the districts.

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Speaking of that, the guy who runs Eurospar

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in Brookland is a municipality with 6,000

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inhabitants.

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He had a turnover of 189 million last

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year.

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And we're talking about who should run a

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store in Bygda.

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He has a building with 6,000 people

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and he makes 189 million.

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It's a completely ridiculous deduction.

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Yes, I've been thinking about it.

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You hear about the margins in the daily

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goods industry, and it's not many percent.

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If you have a couple of percent, it's

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2 million in turnover.

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He apparently runs much better.

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I think he had 7-8 million in

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turnover.

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But he runs the store in a completely

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different way than others.

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If I want to run a big store

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where there are few people, I have to

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run the store in such a way that

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people want to come to my store to

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travel a long way.

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So people drive from Oslo, Kristiansand and everything

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to shop in Brookland.

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Yes, I have a similar experience.

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I come from Hadalen on Gran.

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That's where I grew up.

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Gran is a rather hidden place.

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Yes, I've been there.

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At least you found out that you should

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have a shopping center there.

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So you built a shopping center that lived

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locally.

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It was located on the outskirts of Oslo.

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It only took 12 seconds to cross the

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border.

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There was no customer base.

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People started to travel from Oslo to shop

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on Gran.

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It was so cozy.

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And you don't think it's possible nowadays.

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We set up a twice as big competing

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shopping center next to it.

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Just 5 meters across the street.

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And then you set it up, and it

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goes around.

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Gran is just something completely different now than

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it was when I grew up.

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But it's completely...

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So not a lot of people live on

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Gran?

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No, it's a tight place, and there are

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a lot of people from neighboring municipalities who

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travel to Gran to shop.

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But I mean, for me, it's still quite

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absurd.

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Yes.

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But I had a similar experience in...

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I talked about Porkfest earlier, right?

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And it's far north in New Hampshire.

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You can't even take the bus there.

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It's so boring.

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And it's the closest small town with 14

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houses and one church, and a supermarket.

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And that supermarket is bigger than anything I've

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been to in Norway.

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More options.

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Bigger area.

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Everything is bigger.

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And it goes around.

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There's something about it.

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When someone gets some brilliant ideas, and gets

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them put into practice, it turns out to

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be really good.

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All the way to Nannystate.

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All the way to Nannystate.

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You know we have a ban on building

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new shopping centers in Norway now?

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No, I didn't know that, but it's not

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surprising.

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No, you're not allowed to build new shopping

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centers in Norway, and you know what you

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do?

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You build out the existing ones.

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Because that's allowed.

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What's the reason for not being allowed to

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build new...

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No, it was because we had too many

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shopping centers.

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It's a state quota to have used up.

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Yes, it was something like that.

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It took the lives of small shops.

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And they want to take their own lives.

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That's something they want to do themselves.

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Yes, nothing like that.

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Without any legal basis.

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I've seen it.

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I've lived in Nottåden, and they had built

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a shopping center on Tuen.

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And it's a kilometer and a half from

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the center.

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And the center of Nottåden is completely dead.

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There are 4-5 restaurants out there.

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And there are some shops that do something

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else to these restaurants, but almost all of

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the restaurants in Nottåden are empty.

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They have just moved everything out of the

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center to Tuen.

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And the center of the city is nothing.

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And that's what we think was sad when

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such things happened.

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And I think that maybe they should have

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built a shopping center in the city instead.

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Yes, and get state souvenirs and fake shops,

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so that people don't have to go back

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to the center streets.

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Yes, that sounds really good.

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A brilliant plan, actually.

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But on the one hand, and this is

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maybe our ideological point of view, there are

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attacks on business freedom and property rights.

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The fact that you can't run a business

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as you want, but we don't operate in

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a terrible place for that in social democratic

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Norway.

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So we can put that aside as an

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argument.

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But what it shows, because these shops have

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tried to get the technology to enforce the

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rules that should be enforced.

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You may not age on cards and such,

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right?

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Yes, identification via VIPS, for example.

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And you can't only in principle have that

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you had to legitimize yourself when you were

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going to close the shop with beer.

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And you already have in many shops such

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machines for snus and tobacco.

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So you can just book it on the

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cash register and then tell the card if

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you're old enough, if you have to check.

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Or some other form of ID.

335
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But that's not allowed anymore?

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No, and that's a fundamental mistrust of technology,

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while it's a super-trust to a human

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factor.

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But the thing is, if you remember a

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little back in the day, it's not so

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big, I think it was a few months

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ago now, then the new instructions to the

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shops, right?

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They are self-employed cashiers.

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Then I said, yes, but you can't just

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...

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And they introduced one of those where you

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could identify yourself with a bank card, for

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example.

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No, you're not allowed to use that.

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Because you also have to assess that people

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are intended to buy alcohol.

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Because if you're drunk, you're not allowed to

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buy alcohol in the shop.

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And that was what they ...

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But if you're drunk, you can only buy

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alcohol at the bar?

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Yes, no, the law says that if you're

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apparently drunk, you're not allowed to buy alcohol

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anywhere.

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But that's the thing.

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Therefore, it was like, okay, you can have

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self-employed cashiers, but you have to have

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a person who goes around and looks after

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everyone in the self-employed cashiers.

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And then it has solved itself.

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They have just put in a few more

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self-employed cashiers.

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Then there is one person who goes around

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and looks after eight cashiers, right?

371
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And then you have a nice effect from

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them.

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People need a little assistance in various things

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anyway, so it works out.

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But it was just like that.

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They solve the problem, and then someone comes

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and says, no, we're finding a new problem

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here.

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And I don't know how many times it

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has happened in recent years that a person

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has come to the cashier at the store

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and received a notice that you have failed

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to buy alcohol.

384
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But I'm pretty sure it can be counted

385
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on one hand.

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Yes, I have never seen it or been

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exposed to it.

388
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But what does this lead to?

389
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In the worst case, if you lose this

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store, then I would believe the MDG facility

391
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thing, because then people have to drive longer

392
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to be able to trade.

393
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Then the climate goes to hell.

394
00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:05,770
Then we don't just have 12 years on

395
00:14:05,770 --> 00:14:07,230
us, then it's 11 and a half years.

396
00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:08,170
Yes, it's like that now.

397
00:14:08,450 --> 00:14:09,750
I would say that the right and the

398
00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:14,210
Center Party actually want to preserve the building

399
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store.

400
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It's not a shock.

401
00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:18,130
But the right actually says, yes, we can

402
00:14:18,130 --> 00:14:18,490
solve this.

403
00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:19,330
We have to fix this.

404
00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:21,950
That is, I must say, rarely a positive

405
00:14:21,950 --> 00:14:22,850
surprise from the right.

406
00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:27,670
Yes, there are new costs in party leadership

407
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:30,250
now, so that's what makes the difference.

408
00:14:30,690 --> 00:14:32,970
Yes, because you think that it has looked

409
00:14:32,970 --> 00:14:34,970
like people have changed their mind about the

410
00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:36,030
right when they changed leaders.

411
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:38,090
It doesn't actually look like that.

412
00:14:38,430 --> 00:14:38,590
No.

413
00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:40,270
Shocking enough.

414
00:14:40,530 --> 00:14:44,150
I would give myself some hope on the

415
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:45,850
voters when they show that, you know what,

416
00:14:46,190 --> 00:14:49,670
they have changed Erna with Erna minus 16

417
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:49,870
years.

418
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:53,610
No, it's a joke party.

419
00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:55,030
But okay.

420
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:58,750
We will probably go into that gang in

421
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an episode soon.

422
00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:04,390
But yes, a little Cobra effect of such

423
00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:05,990
state-administrative measures.

424
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And then there is a little God's law.

425
00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:11,710
It's the idea of you have a way

426
00:15:11,710 --> 00:15:14,770
with copies, measuring sticks, things you measure on.

427
00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:17,370
Here they should not be sold to minors

428
00:15:17,370 --> 00:15:19,010
or drunkards.

429
00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:21,990
Have good control and then it will be

430
00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:24,790
measured in itself instead of practical solutions.

431
00:15:25,190 --> 00:15:28,730
I just notice that those who run rented

432
00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:30,570
kick scooters, they have begun to make such

433
00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:32,210
a promille control on the phone with such

434
00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:33,110
a reaction test.

435
00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:37,690
Damn, I got so irritated the other day.

436
00:15:38,130 --> 00:15:38,550
Right?

437
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:41,590
Did you get such a course on Void?

438
00:15:41,850 --> 00:15:43,050
No, not on Ride?

439
00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:43,810
Absolutely.

440
00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:49,050
It was like I was on my way

441
00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:51,890
home from a friend and the time was

442
00:15:51,890 --> 00:15:52,810
just before 11, right?

443
00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:54,830
And then there is a kick scooter right

444
00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:56,910
where I have 12 minutes left to go.

445
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:58,270
And then I thought, okay, this fits well.

446
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:59,590
And then you click on it.

447
00:15:59,790 --> 00:16:00,890
And then you get that damn course.

448
00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:03,750
And it's not three questions or two or

449
00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:05,330
five, it's ten questions.

450
00:16:05,330 --> 00:16:07,210
Yes, and you have to read through a

451
00:16:07,210 --> 00:16:08,950
lot to read through first and so actually.

452
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:09,470
Yes.

453
00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:12,410
So when I'm done with that course, it's

454
00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:13,630
past 11 o'clock and then I can't

455
00:16:13,630 --> 00:16:14,270
rent a kick scooter.

456
00:16:19,870 --> 00:16:20,630
Ten out of ten.

457
00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:23,990
But now the city council has decided that

458
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:25,370
it is not allowed to rent a kick

459
00:16:25,370 --> 00:16:25,590
scooter.

460
00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:27,930
I just remember that this city council promised

461
00:16:27,930 --> 00:16:29,210
to remove that regulation.

462
00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:30,710
They were supposed to say that it should

463
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:31,250
be allowed to drive.

464
00:16:31,890 --> 00:16:33,690
But it's getting better now because you can

465
00:16:33,690 --> 00:16:36,410
rent a kick scooter if you want to

466
00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:37,670
rent a kick scooter.

467
00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:41,670
Yes, wasn't the idea to include it in

468
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:42,610
the monthly card or something?

469
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:43,730
Yes, something like that too.

470
00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:47,330
Because kick scooters need subsidies, of course, like

471
00:16:47,330 --> 00:16:47,710
everything else.

472
00:16:49,230 --> 00:16:53,190
Yes, if it works by itself, then it

473
00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:54,930
has to go just as well on public

474
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roads.

475
00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:56,270
Yes.

476
00:16:58,210 --> 00:17:00,250
I'm not quite sure, but I think it's

477
00:17:00,250 --> 00:17:03,569
very nice that these are competing entities, not

478
00:17:03,569 --> 00:17:04,390
necessarily cooperating.

479
00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:08,410
I think we can end this segment with

480
00:17:08,410 --> 00:17:10,960
a quote from our friend Thomas Sowell.

481
00:17:11,910 --> 00:17:14,670
It is difficult to imagine a more stupid

482
00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:18,210
or dangerous way to make decisions than by

483
00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:21,030
putting these decisions in the hands of people

484
00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:23,210
who do not pay any price to make

485
00:17:23,210 --> 00:17:23,510
a mistake.

486
00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:27,329
It's skin in the game.

487
00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:27,770
Yes.

488
00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:31,410
He has also said with clarity that only

489
00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:34,030
a former communist can agree with.

490
00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:36,070
Yes, it's fun.

491
00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:39,930
Thomas Sowell was a communist and then he

492
00:17:39,930 --> 00:17:41,970
was asked once, what made you change your

493
00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:42,150
mind?

494
00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:42,890
Facts.

495
00:17:44,970 --> 00:17:47,430
Yes, there is something about it, because there

496
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:49,830
is a part of that category that has

497
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:52,490
grown up far out on the left and

498
00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:54,590
has been holy and conscious and then met

499
00:17:54,590 --> 00:17:56,470
reality at some point and then they become

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the clearest, most crystallized, strongest and clearest and

501
00:18:01,370 --> 00:18:03,910
most straight-backed defenders of the opposite principles

502
00:18:03,910 --> 00:18:04,150
afterwards.

503
00:18:04,490 --> 00:18:06,270
Yes, but that's because they understand where they

504
00:18:06,270 --> 00:18:06,650
come from.

505
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:08,790
Yes, I think so too.

506
00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:10,230
Yes, yes, yes.

507
00:18:10,610 --> 00:18:12,690
Are you looking forward to the December salary,

508
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:13,250
Trond?

509
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:16,010
Yes, half tax and stuff, you know.

510
00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:17,250
That's great.

511
00:18:18,010 --> 00:18:19,570
I have paid a little more tax this

512
00:18:19,570 --> 00:18:20,770
year so that I can get half tax

513
00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:21,210
in December.

514
00:18:22,330 --> 00:18:24,130
I will not pay you any tax this

515
00:18:24,130 --> 00:18:26,170
summer, because then you were on vacation and

516
00:18:26,170 --> 00:18:26,950
tax-free.

517
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:29,110
It's a bit funny.

518
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:33,410
I have always annoyed myself a little about

519
00:18:33,410 --> 00:18:36,570
this forced saving, because it's really just a

520
00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:38,790
waste of a good and the implication is

521
00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:40,290
that you can not save yourself.

522
00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:41,750
In many cases, it is true in and

523
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:42,030
of itself.

524
00:18:43,030 --> 00:18:45,410
You waste money on the account faster than

525
00:18:45,410 --> 00:18:46,630
you waste money you do not have on

526
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:46,850
the account.

527
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:49,430
But now that it is approaching December, there

528
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:52,990
is a growing generation of journalists, is my

529
00:18:52,990 --> 00:18:55,650
impression, who discover these things and wonder about

530
00:18:55,650 --> 00:18:55,790
it.

531
00:18:55,970 --> 00:18:56,930
And then they find out about it and

532
00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:58,850
think, yes, this is probably no one who

533
00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:59,070
knows.

534
00:18:59,150 --> 00:19:00,810
And then they tell it through articles.

535
00:19:01,010 --> 00:19:02,730
And that's probably how it should work.

536
00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:07,290
But these media, led by our state channel

537
00:19:07,290 --> 00:19:12,930
NRK, have enthusiastic articles about why they get

538
00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:13,890
more money before Christmas.

539
00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:19,270
And it feels a bit like a narrative

540
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:21,030
about that the state is kind and gives

541
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:22,830
the citizens a little extra money before Christmas.

542
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:26,210
And then for everyone who can count or

543
00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:28,170
everyone who knows the state, you know that

544
00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:28,690
...

545
00:19:28,690 --> 00:19:30,390
It should be calculated per year, not per

546
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:30,610
month.

547
00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:31,950
Yes, there is something about that.

548
00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:37,650
I'm going to try an argument here now,

549
00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:39,690
because when you do it like this, and

550
00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:41,690
then pump all the money out, you have

551
00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:43,990
on the other hand a business life that

552
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:45,990
is prepared to have all the goods in

553
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:46,410
it.

554
00:19:46,410 --> 00:19:49,730
So there will be more money that hunts

555
00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:51,170
even more goods.

556
00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:55,350
And when you keep the economy down the

557
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:57,410
rest of the year, we can look at

558
00:19:57,410 --> 00:19:58,610
it as an inflationary measure.

559
00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:03,210
Just an inflationary measure.

560
00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:04,770
Yes, an inflationary measure.

561
00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:07,870
It's a nice way to adjust the inflation

562
00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:08,950
for the last month of the year.

563
00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:12,470
Well, it's not ...

564
00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:14,730
In a way, it's not completely brain-dead,

565
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:15,050
right?

566
00:20:16,110 --> 00:20:18,370
Summer vacation that costs a little extra, and

567
00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:20,010
Christmas vacation where you should buy some gifts

568
00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:20,490
and stuff like that.

569
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:23,550
So it's natural that it's a little ...

570
00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:25,950
Didn't you understand why you get vacation money

571
00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:28,470
at the same time as the return, at

572
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:28,590
least?

573
00:20:28,890 --> 00:20:31,410
Do you think this is because you're going

574
00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:31,690
on vacation?

575
00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:32,550
No, no, no.

576
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:33,930
This is because you're going to have money

577
00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:34,710
to pay your return.

578
00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:36,290
Yes, okay.

579
00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:41,390
I have actually never received a return because

580
00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:43,410
I didn't know in advance what it was.

581
00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:45,930
I call it control.

582
00:20:46,050 --> 00:20:46,870
I don't have it myself.

583
00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:49,830
I have more of an approach when tax

584
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:50,290
returns come.

585
00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:53,150
I get a tax return, and then when

586
00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:54,850
I get a return, I get so pissed

587
00:20:54,850 --> 00:20:57,550
off that I look for lights until I

588
00:20:57,550 --> 00:20:59,490
have found all the withdrawals I can look

589
00:20:59,490 --> 00:21:00,590
at, so I can get my money back.

590
00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:04,310
I changed it a few years ago from

591
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:06,330
a return at NOK 13,000 to getting

592
00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:07,550
it back at NOK 22,000.

593
00:21:08,590 --> 00:21:10,130
I was so pissed off when I got

594
00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:12,390
my return, that I had to promise you

595
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:13,010
that I would withdraw it.

596
00:21:13,770 --> 00:21:16,470
Yes, I got a quarter of a million

597
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:17,570
in tax returns at once.

598
00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:19,530
That was so much fun.

599
00:21:20,350 --> 00:21:21,290
I didn't know that then.

600
00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:21,530
No.

601
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:27,050
But that's when you understand that the state

602
00:21:27,050 --> 00:21:27,850
is your friend.

603
00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:30,490
Because when you get this message in such

604
00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:33,550
a Windows convolute, you get in the first

605
00:21:33,550 --> 00:21:35,330
one there is an invoice, and it says

606
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:37,050
that this is a little high interest rate.

607
00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:38,530
So you can pay in two rates?

608
00:21:39,310 --> 00:21:40,350
Yes, with 14 days in between.

609
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:47,490
And it's so good.

610
00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:47,990
Nice.

611
00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:49,130
Thank you very much.

612
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:54,930
But what you're looking for here is not

613
00:21:54,930 --> 00:21:57,130
really forced saving in any way.

614
00:21:57,330 --> 00:21:59,030
It's that you should have money available at

615
00:21:59,030 --> 00:21:59,530
the right time.

616
00:22:00,390 --> 00:22:01,630
So you should have money for Christmas gifts,

617
00:22:02,170 --> 00:22:04,030
and then you should have money to take

618
00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:04,650
the kids on vacation.

619
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:07,910
And that is in a way the state

620
00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:08,970
that helps you a little bit with the

621
00:22:08,970 --> 00:22:10,030
parent task.

622
00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:14,030
Or you who lend money to the state

623
00:22:14,030 --> 00:22:14,550
for free interest.

624
00:22:15,310 --> 00:22:16,450
That is also true.

625
00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:21,350
But most people take such bad economic choices

626
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:24,070
and the interest rate effect is not super

627
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:24,350
duper.

628
00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:26,910
But it is probably significant for the state.

629
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:28,410
It is probably noticeable for the state.

630
00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:33,290
And then there is this paternalistic element in

631
00:22:33,290 --> 00:22:33,410
it.

632
00:22:33,850 --> 00:22:37,890
We know better than you citizens.

633
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:40,050
So we save for you.

634
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:42,310
And then you can thank us when you

635
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:43,430
get your money.

636
00:22:44,050 --> 00:22:44,890
For Christmas.

637
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:46,850
Thank you very much.

638
00:22:50,350 --> 00:22:52,390
But this has something to do with what

639
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:53,290
we started talking about.

640
00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:54,650
Because this is also a state.

641
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:56,110
Yes, it is.

642
00:22:56,550 --> 00:22:58,550
And it is reasonable to say that it

643
00:22:58,550 --> 00:22:59,350
is not completely random.

644
00:22:59,810 --> 00:23:03,370
No, it is kind of an understatement to

645
00:23:03,370 --> 00:23:05,310
choose between the day.

646
00:23:06,150 --> 00:23:08,190
But Christmas is coming soon.

647
00:23:08,530 --> 00:23:08,850
Yes, it is.

648
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:12,170
And that's nice, because then we can have

649
00:23:12,170 --> 00:23:15,950
Christmas wreaths and gingerbread wreaths and all kinds

650
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:17,150
of cozy Christmas decorations.

651
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:19,990
They are nice and fun for the kids.

652
00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:20,910
Yes, yes.

653
00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:22,950
On the other hand, no.

654
00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:23,390
Wait a minute.

655
00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:24,710
Gingerbread.

656
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:25,690
It's not healthy.

657
00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:29,950
It's not just to run gingerbread workshops.

658
00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:32,610
We can't do that anymore, because it's not

659
00:23:32,610 --> 00:23:34,250
allowed to market such things to children.

660
00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:35,330
So no.

661
00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:38,530
So let's take the introduction.

662
00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:43,710
So we don't bury the lead here.

663
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:46,970
The week has focused on two things that

664
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:49,870
compete for being the ultimate proof of the

665
00:23:49,870 --> 00:23:51,930
bureaucracy's lack of vision.

666
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:56,810
In a nutshell, a traditional gingerbread workshop for

667
00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:00,090
children was canceled due to new rules against

668
00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:02,050
the marketing of unhealthy food.

669
00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:04,270
At the same time, there was a fiasco

670
00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:07,550
at the Parliament, when the President confiscated a

671
00:24:07,550 --> 00:24:10,050
bag of tutti-frutti from Prime Minister Jonas

672
00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:10,810
Gahr Støre.

673
00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:12,810
Yes, and it should be said that it

674
00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:16,030
was confiscated from Jonas Gahr Støre, but he

675
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:19,830
got it from a right-wing politician.

676
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:20,710
Astrup.

677
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:24,250
Astrup has shared it with the Prime Minister's

678
00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:25,050
big campaign.

679
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:30,810
Yes, it's unlawful, and you shouldn't promote goods

680
00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:32,550
in the Parliament.

681
00:24:33,070 --> 00:24:38,430
But the challenge in a nutshell is that

682
00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:41,030
children decorating gingerbread and not having to pay

683
00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:44,650
for it will be illegal marketing of sugar.

684
00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:48,410
Directly against the most vulnerable of us, namely

685
00:24:48,410 --> 00:24:48,650
the children.

686
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:51,790
I wonder if we have talked about this

687
00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:54,690
new law before and said that this will

688
00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:55,950
have some bad consequences.

689
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:56,770
We have.

690
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:58,690
We have also brought up other things that

691
00:24:58,690 --> 00:24:59,830
go in exactly the same direction.

692
00:25:00,070 --> 00:25:03,690
Yes, I feel that this is a nanny

693
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:07,030
state, and it is not certain that this

694
00:25:07,030 --> 00:25:08,450
is a real legal interpretation.

695
00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:11,030
But because it is so poorly defined as

696
00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:14,970
well, then it is just open for interpretation,

697
00:25:15,270 --> 00:25:17,370
and someone will interpret it in the strictest

698
00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:17,850
meaning, right?

699
00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:21,470
As someone has apparently chosen to do.

700
00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:22,430
We can't do this.

701
00:25:22,690 --> 00:25:25,890
This is marketing, and marketing of unhealthy foods

702
00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:27,490
against children, we can't do that.

703
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:27,990
No.

704
00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:30,710
And then there is this.

705
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:34,470
There is something so infinitely trivial and childish

706
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:34,950
about it.

707
00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:36,750
It is such a literal interpretation of rules,

708
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:39,550
and it is read so black and white

709
00:25:39,550 --> 00:25:43,210
that things that are obviously okay for everyone

710
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:45,190
are still put down, because there are some

711
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:48,250
rules that say, no, but it's just not

712
00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:48,450
allowed.

713
00:25:49,050 --> 00:25:50,190
No matter how stupid it is.

714
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,190
And then you get such a bureaucracy that

715
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:58,570
is terribly busy handling such banal, simple things.

716
00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,010
Because it's easy to handle, and then it

717
00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:03,110
often goes to hell with the big things.

718
00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:05,330
It is difficult to handle, and difficult to

719
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:07,310
interpret, and difficult to understand, and difficult to

720
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:07,990
get an overview of.

721
00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:09,910
But as a bureaucrat, you probably feel that

722
00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:11,190
you have done your part when you have

723
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,550
done something, made sure to take care of

724
00:26:13,550 --> 00:26:13,990
something like that now?

725
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:19,110
It reminds me of these gift rules, where

726
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:23,090
things that can look like a bottle of

727
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:25,970
wine that is used as a starlight holder

728
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:28,190
are put down because there is alcohol advertising

729
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:29,990
inside a bar where you can buy alcohol.

730
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:30,430
Yes.

731
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:35,430
The worst example, I saw an example earlier

732
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:39,070
this week, where the price list, this is

733
00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:40,410
what we have in the bar now, this

734
00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:41,130
is what it costs.

735
00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:44,130
It was picked up by a bed controller

736
00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:46,090
who said, no, this is the market price

737
00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:47,310
of alcohol.

738
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:48,070
This is not allowed.

739
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:51,790
You have solved this problem with snus.

740
00:26:52,090 --> 00:26:53,670
It is impossible to change the brand of

741
00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:54,930
snus now, because you have no idea what's

742
00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:55,230
out there.

743
00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:58,730
Everything is hidden away in a fucking box

744
00:26:58,730 --> 00:27:00,050
without a list or anything.

745
00:27:00,390 --> 00:27:02,270
But we have the coolest snus boxes in

746
00:27:02,270 --> 00:27:02,670
the world.

747
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:03,490
Yes, we have.

748
00:27:03,530 --> 00:27:04,610
We have gotten something for it.

749
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:08,350
A snus box with a design price, that

750
00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:09,090
has its price too.

751
00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:12,490
If I am not allowed to inform on

752
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:14,610
a poster what the price of a beer

753
00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:17,010
or a bottle of wine is, then there

754
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:21,050
is someone who has not understood their task.

755
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:25,370
Yes, or understood the task exactly, because it

756
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:29,630
is a long thread with alcohol moralism in

757
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:29,910
Norway.

758
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:30,350
Yes.

759
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:35,650
Yes, prohibition and abstinence and such things.

760
00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:37,910
It's a bit like the church, that they

761
00:27:37,910 --> 00:27:40,970
have received a lot of power and unreasonable

762
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:43,150
power over ordinary people in society.

763
00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:46,230
And then you have to bow to such

764
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:49,690
prejudice, moralism on a daily basis almost.

765
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:51,170
And then it has just become so routine.

766
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:54,850
Yes, the ordinary member of the sheep flock

767
00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:56,710
thinks that it is safe and good, that

768
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:57,630
there are rules on everything.

769
00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:58,170
Yes.

770
00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:01,430
How would it work if ...

771
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:03,070
How should society be if it is not

772
00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:03,670
rule-based?

773
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:06,450
Then you have to be norm-based.

774
00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:11,030
The very first political discussion I had with

775
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:12,110
Muttern Yes.

776
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:13,530
It was at the end of the 80s,

777
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:15,830
when the mobster monopoly was on the rise.

778
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:19,450
And young Vegard was a big supporter that

779
00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:21,010
there should be more TV channels.

780
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:21,630
Of course.

781
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:29,210
While Vegard's mother probably thought that NRK was

782
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:29,830
more than enough.

783
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:31,850
That it would be really crazy if there

784
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:32,170
was more.

785
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:32,630
Yes.

786
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:34,610
Now she tells me that she watches more

787
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:35,810
channels than just NRK now.

788
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:38,090
Yes, but I'm mostly NRK, of course.

789
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:39,110
Yes, yes.

790
00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:42,610
But I have brought up the discussion later.

791
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:43,330
Yes.

792
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:44,890
Do you remember when we talked about ...

793
00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:47,290
Stop talking about that.

794
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:49,910
Do you want to put down the others?

795
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:52,210
No, I don't want to, but ...

796
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:56,370
I think I never heard Muttern complain that

797
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,350
there were more TV channels, actually.

798
00:28:59,150 --> 00:29:01,290
We went from NRK to have NRK and

799
00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:01,690
TV 2.

800
00:29:02,130 --> 00:29:03,830
And then there was NRK 2 and NRK

801
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:04,330
3 as well.

802
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:05,730
More state TV.

803
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:07,610
That's never enough.

804
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:08,830
Now you have to get one for 8

805
00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:09,070
billion.

806
00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:11,750
Yes, but the days are only 24 hours,

807
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:12,930
and we don't get to see everything.

808
00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:13,430
No.

809
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:19,230
But that must be enough nanny state for

810
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:19,670
today, Trond.

811
00:29:19,670 --> 00:29:20,310
Yes.

812
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:23,130
I feel that we are well on our

813
00:29:23,130 --> 00:29:24,530
way to winning the nanny state award.

814
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:28,970
I can't see for myself that any other

815
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:31,090
nation will be able to take us there

816
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:31,310
this year.

817
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:33,290
Yes, or next year, strictly speaking.

818
00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:35,110
But yes, nanny state 2026.

819
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:38,330
Yes, it's an award every year, so ...

820
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:39,950
Typical Norwegian to be the best, as it

821
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:40,090
is called.

822
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:42,870
Yes, we will be this time as well.

823
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:44,710
Then we have to say thank you for

824
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:44,910
today.

825
00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:45,350
Goodbye.

826
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:45,510
Goodbye.

827
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,720
Thank you for listening to Sidelinja podcast.

828
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,620
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829
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:58,660
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830
00:29:58,660 --> 00:30:01,420
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831
00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:04,740
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832
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,240
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