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https://app.podscribe.ai/episode/51253098Speaker 0 (0s): Ah, well, if it isn't the most intelligent people in the world, there you are. What are you trying to hide over there? What are you doing? What are you doing? Let me tell you something. You are amazing. You are attractive and you are funny and you are just one of those people that everybody wants to be around. You make everyone feel better. I love you for it.
I hope that right now, you're about to embark on the greatest day of the greatest journey of your life. It's happening right now, right in front of you. All you have to do is just pull, be present. Bow. Here you are. You're right here with thinking about all that other stuff. Just live right now. Listen to this. What you and I got this thing go in. You and me, baby, you and me. We're standing in the foothills on the mountain of dreams, telling ourself.
It's not as hard as it seems. Are you ready to start this day off? Are you ready to start off this evening? Maybe you're ready to end this day. Whatever it is. I'm happy to be with you. I'm happy you're here. Thank you for taking just a few moments to hang out with me. I missed you guys. I missed you. I'm sure you missed me too. Right? Come on. It's all right. Well, we are going to continue today with our spot lot on Boulevard.
This week is one of my favorite terms. McKenna, you know him, I know him. We love him. Let us start off with a little bit of some of Terrence's thoughts here. We'll go through a couple quotes. Then we'll jump into an article and I'm sure I'll stop from time to time just to tell you my thoughts on it. Are you ready? Let's do it in James Joyce's. Ulysses, Stephen Dedalus tells us history is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken.
<inaudible> do you guys feel that way? Do you feel like history is the nightmare from which you are trying to awaken some pretty scandalous things happen in history? Haven't they, science has nothing to say about how one can decide to one's hand and do a fist. And yet it happens. This is utterly outside the realm of scientific explanation, because what we see in that phenomenon is mind as a first cause it is an example of telekinesis matter is caused by mind to move technology is the real skin of our species.
Humanity correctly seen in the context of the last 500 years is an extruder of technological material. We take in matter that has a low degree of organization. We put it through mental filters and we extrude jewelry, gospels space shuttles. This is what we do. We are like coral animals and embedded in a technological reef of extruded, psychic objects. All our tool making implies our belief in an ultimate tool.
That tool, could it be the flying saucer or the soul exteriorized in three dimensional space. The body can become an internalized holographic object embedded in a solid state, hyper dimensional matrix that is eternal so that we each wander through a true Elysium. The English poet, mystic William Blake said that as one starts into the spiral, there is the possibility of falling from the golden track until eternal death.
Light is composed of photons, which have no antiparticle. This means that there is no dualism in the world of light. The only experience of time that one can have is of a subjective time that is created by one's own mental processes. But in relationship to the Newtonian universe, there is no time. What so ever the one mind contains all experiences of the other.
We should try to assimilate and integrate the psychedelic experience since it is a plane of experience that is directly accessible to each of us, the role that we play in relationship to it determines how we will present ourselves and that final intimated transformation. In other words, in this notion, there was a kind of teal logical basis. There is a belief that there is a hyper object called the over mine or God that casts a shadow into time.
I am here using the word logos in the sense in which phylo Jew Deus uses it, that of the divine reason that embraces the archetypal complex of platonic ideas that serve as the models of creation language, isn't ecstatic activity of signification intoxicated by the mushrooms, the fluency, the ease, the Atmos of expression, one becomes capable of are such that one is astounded by the words that issue forth from the contact of the intention of articulation.
With the matter of experience, the spontaneity, the mushrooms liberate is not only perceptual, but linguistic for the shaman. It is as if existence were uttering itself through him. Isn't it amazing. The potential for beauty we have in the world of linguistics, have you ever spoken to someone and we're able to be it through inspiration or desperation, you were able to string together a set of syntactical poetry, a string of syntactical excellence, the cause the other person to blush.
Have you been able to truly connect with someone using your words to bring about goosebumps on their flesh? I would argue that that is communication. I would argue that only when the spoken word is felt, are you truly communicating with the other person? And we have gotten away from that. We have been stuck in this world of linear print and linear thinking.
I think it was Marshall McLuhan who spoke about the printing press, giving us the idea of interchangeable parts, which led to the idea of human capital and people being interchangeable in factories. And the degradation of our language has caused the degradation of our lifestyle. One thing I have found reading terms, McKenna is this idea he has about the archaic revival.
And it's a beautiful idea. It's a return to the classics are returned to communicating effectively and efficiently a beautiful expression of beautiful ideas. One such beautiful idea that I was able to think about after reading some McKenna and listening to some music. And of course using some psychedelics is the redefining of our language.
You know what I mean by that? If you just take a few moments to think about the words we use on every day talking points, if you just take some time to think about the words you use in a daily conversation, I bet some of those words you use are some of the words you've always used. Some of the words your parents use or your grandparents used, might it be possible to take a good look and think about how those words have been redefined are the words you're using today that were used by your grandparents and your parents.
Do those words mean the same things or have the definitions of those words changed? Have the definitions of those words been challenged or cheapened? I would say yes. I would say yes. If you look at the handwriting of anyone from the 18 hundreds, if you listened to the vocabulary that's in those letters, I think you will be able to see actually close your eyes and envision a better education.
It seems to me that the process of specialization has caused not only a more focused and narrow view on the world, but a more focused and narrow view in our ability to see the future and move forward. Yeah, well, you know, I know a lot of people invested the time as with any great crisis comes great opportunity.
There are lot of people who are unsure of where we're moving from here. And for you listening to this, my friend that is a phenomenal opportunity for you to create the future, the best way to predict the future is to create it. Now, let me try to tie all this together. The idea of time. What if we redefine the word time? Time is in fact a man's invention. Is it not?
Everyone has heard the term the end of times, it's in all the biblical references. It's in a lot of spiritual nomenclature. However, what is the end times? What is the end of time is the end of time. A comment that comms to smash into the earth is the end of time, a cataclysm. Is it a super volcano that explodes sending Ash into the air, causing a nuclear winter?
Is it a pandemic? Are we in fact, in the end of time, I would like to propose something different. Let us say that the end of time is not the end of the world. However, the end of time is the end of us defining time. As we know it, perhaps the end of time is the end of us quantifying our lives.
Perhaps the end of time is the end of us looking at clocks to tell us what to do. Perhaps the end of the time is us no longer allowing the calendar to tell us what to do. Perhaps the end of time is instead of seeing two hands on a clock, the end of time could be a new way to measure time. It could be looking at the constellations to tell us what time it is.
There's a lot of evidence to say that our understanding of time is not only faulty, but corrosive. Our limited understanding. Our limited ability to understand time is a problem. Let me give you an example. If you look at climate change, there is no shortage of records saying that the summer is getting hotter.
In fact, the summer is, is being prolonged. If you listen to a lot of the literature, a lot of the experts will tell you, wow, summertime. It used to be June, July, August a little bit of September. However, now we're seeing warm temperatures, not only into September, but October and November. The hottest October is the hottest. November is even the warm is December's on record in the Northern hemisphere.
Is that not alarming? Indeed it is. Unless of course we factor in the migration of the men magnetic North pole. Unless of course we factor in the potential for poll shifts. What if as the magnetic North pole migrates, what if we have not measured time accurately?
What if our methodology is off and every year we lose three or four, five or six or 10 days, would that not cause the July of last year to be 10 days later than the July of this year? Would that not? Cause the July of 10 years ago to be a hundred days prior to the July of this year, would that not account for moving the summer months forward in time?
Might that explain the potential for record heat in later months? What if the same is true in the South pole might a better measurement of time be to look at the sky, might a better measurement of time be to look at the constellations in order to see where we are. Not only on a calendar, not only in print, but to see where we are in the universe on the factor of time.
It's important to understand as our planet spins around. So do we make revolutions around the sun, but so does our sun make revolutions around the black hole in the center of our galaxy and our galaxy spins around the universe if summer and winter are caused by the tilt of the Earth's axis?
Is it not fair to say that our galaxy could be tilted? What about our solar system is our solar system not tilted as we go through the galactic year? Would that not cause seasons in the galactic year? Why does no one talk about that? It seems to me that the crisis that we are going through constantly are exploited numbers.
Don't lie, but you can make them say
Speaker 1 (17m 51s): Whatever it is you want them to say,
Speaker 2 (17m 56s): You see what,
Speaker 1 (17m 57s): Which you can get by listening to turns McKenna. That's what I got from the guy. Those were some of my insights just from reading and listening and having a few moments to do your own critical thinking. Thank you, Terrance. And thank you guys for listening. Let's jump into one of his articles here. This particular article is labeled remarks to a Rupa 1984.
And this talk was given at S lawn Institute in big Sur, California in the fall of 1984 at a gathering of the association for the responsible use of psychedelics, an informal group of psychologists, chemists and therapists who regularly met at Epsilon from 1983 to 1986, under the sponsorship of the late and much beloved Richard Price. I was struck by something that Arthur Young said, someone brought him Amy sheen and asked him to improve the machine.
Arthur asked what the machine was supposed to do. The person who brought the machine said he didn't know what it was supposed to do. Arthur asked how then he could be expected to improve it. I feel that we are in that situation with psychedelics. I would not leave my book line study to participate in a conference on a breakthrough in the ortho molecular treatment of neurosis.
So I don't choose to view any of this at its core as having to do with that. I am much more radical and millenarian, and perhaps TECT than that point of view, what I think is going on with psychedelics, especially the tryptamine family and I'll return to that is some kind of intimation of an objective reality. When I am asked, what is your fantasy or what is your vision?
I answer that I would like to bring back a chunk of the other dimension. Sometimes I see it not as a bringing back of a chunk, but as a punching of a hole so that it pours through Marilyn Ferguson. And I were talking earlier and she said, psychedelics are windows. I said, my hope is that they are doors and we could open them and walk through and move from room to room in some kind of hyper dimensional world where the reality of these things is confirmed.
Plato said, if God did not exist, man would invent him. If this psychedelic hyper dimensional world didn't exist, we would invent it through computers and human machine interfacing. Fortunately, it does exist in the worldwide tradition of the use of psychedelic substances. I appreciate the efforts of people like Kopra to give an account of consciousness in terms of quantum physics.
But my own conviction is that the first premise should be that we actually know absolutely nothing about the nature of reality. This is why we are unable to give an adequate definition of mind or being, or self I'm going to pause for a moment. What do you think about that? Do you think that that is true? Do you think the first premise should be that we actually know absolutely nothing about the nature of reality?
I think it's true enough. I think it's true enough. If you look back at history, not that long ago, we had different ideas of how the celestial mechanics worked. People agreed that the earth was created by a divine being 2000 years ago on October 24th at nine in the morning. And if you didn't believe that, then you were crazy. People were persecuted for thinking that the earth was not the center of the universe.
People were persecuted for not believing and there being Crystal's fears around planets. If history is any sort of map, if history has taught us anything, it's that we always get things wrong. And if we always get things wrong, is it fair? Is it not fair to say that we're probably wrong about a lot of things today?
I would think so back to the article, we are probably as far from any godlike notion of objective truth as any society in the past, I find the notion that we are descended from ant people who came out of the urine of the sky, God, when he got out of his canoe at the seventh waterfall to relieve himself more palpable than that, we are derivatives of the big bang, a moment when the whole universe spraying from nothing and for no reason at all, it is matter of relativism of mythologies.
We are actually at square one in trying to figure out the nature of being in the world. That is why I wish there were more excitement or conviction or some way that we could break down the barriers between ourselves so that we could see to be the blind men with the elephant and have some kind of common census about what this dimension is and what it portends yesterday. Stan, Grof brought up the notion of the cycloid this word occurs in Young's thought when he hedges slightly on the nature of the dynamics of the unconscious, he suggests that it is both in the world and within, and that there is some congruence.
This is the dimension that the psychedelics are adapted to explore
Speaker 0 (24m 42s): These interviews.
Speaker 1 (24m 44s): Immediate States between mind and matter migration of coincidence, synchronistic meshing of the exterior and interior flow of events are phenomena that can be repeatedly triggered with these compounds. This is very important. We need to admit that there is something toxic about the historical process, that we cannot really fine tune it and save ourselves.
The notion was very strong and copper's talk that science needs a new suit of clothes, and then it will be adequate for conveying the unfolding nature of reality. I wonder if that's true. One of the things that psychedelics bring to the fore that would run any physicist wild is the curious literary quality that is visible on the surface of existence. We discover ourselves to be characters in a novel, being both propelled by and victimized by various kinds of coincident dental forces that shape our lives.
This is what recognition of the synchronistic factor is. It is as though you're tracking.
Speaker 0 (26m 1s): It is as though you trap the mind in the,
Speaker 1 (26m 5s): The act of making reality. Let me read that again. First off, cause I messed up at second off. Cause it's fascinating. It is as though you trap the mind in the act of making reality, maybe that's what the act of deja VU is. Have you ever felt that you're like, Whoa, what was that? I feel like I've done this before. Did you just say that? Woo deja VU, maybe that is what deja VU is. It is as though you trap the mind in the act of making reality, Frank bar and I were talking about Finnegan's wake and relating it to fractal by saying a fractal is a curve that by virtue of its complexity, attains, a partial dimension, more of self expression in the universe, Finnegan's wake is a book that in some sense, tries to climb into the world and be instead an autonomous event system.
I think psychedelics show that the interfacing between an ordinary world of three dimensional experience and these higher dimensional spaces can be attained. The psychedelic allows by raising us a fraction of a dimension, some kind of contemplate of access to hyperspace. What my brother Dennis McKenna was saying in his talk was that humanness was formed out of the interface between the plans and primates.
I can see that as an ongoing process, only interrupted on the face of the planet in Europe, about 1500 years ago, these various substances act as a meditating force in human history, you have only to think of the impact of sugar, tobacco, coffee, alcohol opium, or psychedelics. I was surprised at the discussion suggesting that psychedelics can make you a good citizen. My assumption about psychedelics has always been that the reason they are not legal is not because it troubles anyone that you have visions, but that there is something about them that cast doubts on the validity of reality.
They are inevitably deconditioning agents simply by demonstrating the existence of a nearby reality, running on a different dynamic. I think they are inherently catalysts of intellectual descent. This makes it very hard for societies, even a democratic society to come to terms with them. The thing I am brought about here to say is that these botanical tryptamines are different. There is a problem with the history of psychedelics LSD emerged at a certain point and became a social problem.
A huge amount of research was poured into that. The other hallucinogens siliciden DMT, et cetera, were considered to be similar compounds that only required more physical material to elicit their effects. They were lumped together in the standard text. Actually, the tryptamines have a quality, very different from LSD almost to the point where the word psychedelic needs to be split in two to accommodate the ontological difference between tryptamines and these other substances.
From here, we move on to an interview between dr. Albert Hoffman and Terence McKenna, Albert Hoffman. Do you count psilocybin with the tryptamines Terence McKenna, absolutely. Albert Hoffman. Then you see big differences between LSD and psilocybin, Terence McKenna, surely it seems LSD is only reluctantly, a visionary hallucinogen in terms of activity in the visual cortex.
Psilocybin is a fantastically prolific generator of visual hallucinations. Visual hallucinations are I think, much more accessible to most people <inaudible> however, the truly distinguishing quality between them and you discussed this briefly in Santa Barbara, is that the tryptamines have a quality of animation. There seems to be a logos like other, an alien presence, not easily referenced to the components of the psyche.
And it is animate strange and imbued with an alienness and a personality that is not present in LSD. Do you think that is true Albert Hoffman? Yes. Yes, but I believe there is a difference between siliciden and the tryptamines psilocybin works orally. The other shift means must be smoked. Terence McKenna Iowasca isn't it orally active tryptamine on a good, strong hit of Iowasca at about the hour and 20 minute Mark, you will very slowly come into a place indistinguishable from having smoked DMT.
The same thing happens on siliciden at the 30 milligram level at about the hour and 20 minute point. It is shown that siliciden does not degrade into DMT, but DMT is present in Iowasca as a pure compound. It is strange. Tryptamines are the most common hallucinogens in organic nature, but they are the least explored by science. I believe this is a reluctance to face this alien and peculiar dimension.
Sasha Shogun describes DMT as dark. That is his gloss on it. Demonic is a word frequently used. I am not entirely certain what that means. Young always talks about demons and he associates demons with the earth. I recall he speaks of the Mexican demons of the earth. It is true that people are very reticent with the mushroom approaching very carefully. The tryptamines are the compounds least subject to abuse because even enthusiasts move very gingerly.
This is because the experience is so weird. It involves ingression into the extra human dimension that is autonomous from the ego. A dimension whose measure cannot be taken. It is not about working out our personal introspective processes. All psychedelics appear to be the same psychedelic at low doses doses, just over threshold, but as larger doses that are still pharmacologically safe are taken differences, do appear exotic synesthesias occur, including the generation of three-dimensional languages, a situation where using voice one can create three dimensional color modalities that have linguistic content.
This visible language can be displayed to a partner who is in the same state. It is as though language has a potential that is only rarely expressed. Robert graze has written about an Earth's Brock, a primal language of poetry that had its power in the beholding of it. And Hans Jonas has talked about the notion of a more perfect logos, a logos, none of the ears, but of the eyes. I believe that psychedelic research is not a peripheral historical backwater.
Psychedelics are not a breakthrough, primarily directed at the neurotic or the mentally ill. They are literally the new world land has been cited in hyperspace. We now have four or 500 years of exploration ahead of us in the psychedelic human machine interface. There can be castles in the imagination. We can decide that this was what human history was for this marriage of imagination and ability so that as civilization can be created, that is truly civilized through being rooted in the psychedelic experience.
There is concern perhaps even anxiety that we as a group, we, as a people who share this knowledge need to create a political climate where more research can be done and where these matters can be more freely talked about in principle. I agree with all of that, but I am not interested in putting much energy into it. In the past. There has been a lot of clinical experimentation with LSD. One speaker referred to data from 8,000 LSD administrations.
Surely what could be learned in that mode was learned, or at least the surface was scratched instead of the horizontal broadening of the faith, I would be much more interested in a vertical strengthening of the faith by having the people who have taken these compounds, take more of them, take different ones and take larger doses. The real crucible of this research is the self. We should be keeping journals and recording experiences into a data bank so that common themes can be tracked through large groups or filed reports.
In other words, strengthened the community rather than broaden it. I'm going to pause there for a moment as well. Anyone who finds themselves on a psychedelic journey or has Terence McKenna before, or is interested in the logos or utilizing the spiritual aspects of psychedelics it's imperative that you have a journal. I have found that prior to using any sort of substance like this, you must first write down in your journal, what it is you expect to find.
You must write down in your journal, what it is you were thinking at the time. Oh my God. An idea. Think of yourself as a traveler to a new world and taking notes prior to your trip, writing down goals, writing down what it is you were told, writing down what it is you hope to find so that when you go to that new place, you will have some focus.
You will have some ability not to be bewildered by astonishment. That is thrust upon you. It will happen. It's best to find yourself in a somewhat isolated dark area. If you have too much sensory objectiveness around Europe, I'm not sure that's the right word. If you are in an environment that is busy, you will be overwhelmed.
You will B astonished. You will be in a world of amazement of sensory overload. I think that the real work in psychedelics is mind space. The ability to think differently, the ability to use different parts of the brain to process information that would not ordinarily be processed in that particular center of the brain. That's where the new ideas come from. That's where the new insights come from.
And that's why a journal is so important. Let's get back to the interview. I believe that the psychedelic experience was the light at the beginning of history. That this is actually the thing that we have now reached a sufficient level of analytical sophistication to discern the force that pushed the animal mind onto the human stage. It is a process that once it is set into motion will not end. It is as though these botanical hallucinogens were XO hormones message bearing chemicals shed by Gaia to control the development of the historical process in the catalytic triggers species that is introducing change on the planet.
It isn't merely a matter of Noetic archeology that we have now learned something about the past. This is also true of Albert Hoffman's discovery about it. Looses. This may ultimately have a greater impact than the discovery of LSD itself. It is a discovery of a skeleton in the closet. There are skeletons in the closet of human origins and the origin of religion. I would wager that these skeletons are all plant psychedelics. If we can come to terms with them, we can begin to understand the shape of the human future.
The psychedelic experience is not easy to measure. It appears to be a world nearly as large as the previous domain of nature. It is not simply the young Indian collective unconscious, the re pository of all human species experience still less. Is it the Freudian notion of the repository of memories of individual experience? It seems that what Freud and young thought of as a place in the organization of the psyche is cognitive in the shamonic model as a place, a nearby adjacent dimension, and to which the mind can project itself and self scaling itself to these inter or dimension experience them as realities, the goal of William Blake to release the human spirit into the imagination.
Isn't that so beautiful. Let me read that again. The goal of William Blake, and this should be all of our goals to release the human spirit into the imagination is a reasonable cultural goal, probably within reach through the judicious application of cybernetics and psychedelic substances. I see it coming fast. And since this group is at the cutting edge, by some definition, I am surprised we are as low key as we are, how we line up on these various issues, how we understand and interpret these experience will set the tone for how the issue flours out all over the world.
One question is, how can we make bridges into the future? There are about five or six, very hot hallucinogen related botanical questions, hanging fire in various places in the world, drugs or shamonic preparations, which the literature is very suggestive. And the plant families involved have hallucinogens already identified in them five years of work by physicians, anthropologists ethnobotanist and adventurers could probably double the amount of information known about botanical hallucinogens.
In the past, the stress has been on the laboratory elaboration of structural relatives of known compounds, but even compounds like to CB, which is related to Dom would never have been discovered if someone had not noticed that their natural product mistress and had some form of psychoactivity, the whole MTMA family can be seen as an elaboration of the <inaudible> molecule.
We need to know if there are hallucinogens, if unknown chemical families that hold the secret to the elaboration of new compounds in the laboratory, the original approach, a pharmaceutical botany was to send people to the forest and jungle to make collections than extractions than characterizations. And then as the art of synthesis advanced, there was less and less of this and more and more synthesis from theory based on structure, activity relationships.
Now, a lot of that work has been done and no new hallucinogenic family of importance has been discovered. There is important botanical survey work to be done in the world to nail down hallucinogens whose usage may be fading restricted, or very endemic. All of these things are ways of expanding our hold on, what hallucinogens are, what is their place in nature that could be done? It is not in the mental healthcare delivery context.
The Italian Renaissance ran on spices. They had to get spices from somewhere. So they brought them. Spices is a very ambiguous term. If we could get psychedelics reclassified as spices, they would come under the control, not of psychotherapists and mental healthcare people, but of chefs and maitre DS. Then we would have an entirely different approach to the administration of psychedelic substances set setting goals.
It seems we are in the stone age, in every phase of these explorations, there is so much to be done. It is amazing, and it is an amazing privilege for all of us to be in on the ground floor. It is hard to believe that 25 years ago, after leery wage, the LSD Wars, we could still be in on the ground floor. But that is what it seems by default. No one else wants this. No, no, no, no. Ralph Metzner may I make a couple of comments about that?
Your ideas, as well as Albert Hoffman's idea about the role of origami like plans that he loses tie into the notion of the reawakening of the old gods. These are sacred plants that were treated as sacred beings. Divine beings, basically deities. If we are in fact able to identify what Soma was, we will be able to identify and recreate the original source energy behind the Indo European civilization.
Similarly, if we rediscover and are able to incorporate whatever was used at, he loses, we will have the original impetus behind Greek European civilization that carried it for 2000 years as the primary vehicle of religious experience. Terence McKenna Soma is the light at the beginning and end of history. This is the notion. It infuses history. History is a process that it created for its own purposes.
We are involved in a symbiotic relationship with a biological creature. That is like a God, because it is so advanced different and in possession of such a peculiar body of information compared with ourselves. Let me pause again there for a moment, we are involved in a symbiotic relationship with a biological creature. That is like a God, because it is so advanced. Is that not what planet earth is?
The earth is so much more advanced than each individual. Human. The earth has an intelligence that we cannot even begin to comprehend. In fact, I would argue that we are part of the earth. The earth grows people like an Apple tree grows apples. You didn't come into this world. He came out of it. You're part of it. If you want to communicate with your life. I think that when you take a psychedelic substance and organic psychedelic substance, be it I a Wasco or siliciden or some sort of compound that comes out of the earth.
I think that is a way to communicate with the earth. I think you're giving a, I think you're getting a rare insight. I think you are being able to better understand cognitively where we're at and what the world wants from you. It's not for everybody. Don't get me wrong. I don't think everybody should be taking psychedelics. It's incredibly powerful and it's scary. And you can lose your damn mind for a little while.
Some people probably could lose their mind forever, but if you spend a lot of time in the library, if you read a lot of different books, if you have a journal, if you know what you're doing, the nap particular exploration, I think is more important than any exploration. That's gone before us back to the interview.
Ralph, Metzner asking Terence McKenna a question, another brief point about psychedelics of the past, whatever they were. Why did they disappear? There are not any still Feria cubensis or Amanita or any of these other hallucinogens in India. Now, if it is, there is fairly remote and not widespread like alcohol or wine, which became widespread religious
Speaker 0 (47m 30s): Social drug in all of Western culture. My theory about what happened then is the same as what happens now that like the use of Soma or any other genuine religious and toxicant in the sense that it produced a religious experience and direct knowledge of the divine was stamped out systematically by the priest is who were primarily intent upon maintaining their own power structure.
If people could have a direct experience of God by taking mushrooms or any other plant, they would not be interested in priestly power structures. They couldn't care less. Why should they talk to a priest? If they could talk directly to God, Terence, McKenna, this is the deconditioning factor there. You have it. My friends there, you have it. Another interesting interview. I, one of the greatest speakers I've ever listened to very deep, very profound, very interesting.
I'd like to leave you with a thought on language. It always seems to me that when I listened to McKenna or when I read some of his interviews, the foundation of his argumentation is that we can change the world by changing our language. That language is in fact, an organism, the fractal nature of organism, an organism with an organisms, with an organisms. So work on your speech, work on your language, work on becoming the best.
You can be paint pictures in the minds of other people produce beauty and love and use your words to create an environment that is worth living in. I love you guys. We backed tomorrow. Ah, Aloha.