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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 2>I know. And who doesn't want conversation about the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>That's so subscribe is a video, But what if it's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like on Spotify or one of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>If you subscribe, it's the same thing. What we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>if you like these things and they like all the

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<v Speaker 2>other things you like, they'll probably like the Bible guys too, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't have to be somebody that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you subscribe then and enough, if you do it,

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<v Speaker 2>them to see us too. That it just helps promote

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<v Speaker 2>it when you're describing those things. So well, hey, that's so,

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<v Speaker 2>do it because you know who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're gonna jump into a segment called one must go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh these are fun ones and desert and neither of

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<v Speaker 2>us have read any.

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<v Speaker 1>Of these, Jeff or Chris. And by the way, this

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<v Speaker 1>one must go. Oh, one must go. This means forever, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean for us, It means for eternity, for

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world. Okay, so we're those are the parameters.

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<v Speaker 1>It means for everybody. Okay, okay, So one must go

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<v Speaker 1>either email spam or telemarketing calls.

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<v Speaker 2>O oh, telemarketing calls.

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<v Speaker 1>Because email spam could be doing dealt with easier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think so, I mean client to agree, although

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<v Speaker 3>I have a hesitation because you made a good living

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<v Speaker 3>as a telemarketers a telemarketer, but that's that's then, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was a telemarketer for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you really? I had three? No, I had one,

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, I had one two three jobs? Three? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well yeah, and then I only did it for

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<v Speaker 2>like a year when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did find center two years.

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<v Speaker 2>so we get rid of telemarketing. All right, what did

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<v Speaker 2>you sell? I sold Accidental Life in dismemberment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I sold them a long distance that I called

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<v Speaker 1>card Private Issues and then and their vps and cards.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I also called home to home placing salesmen

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. I knew that one too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew m C I and okay, so anyways, there

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<v Speaker 2>you go here here one must go cozy knights in

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<v Speaker 2>with a good book or adventurous outings with friends.

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<v Speaker 1>That's those are two things you Oh yeah, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>Though, Okay, white one's yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, don't get me wrong. Cozy knights in

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<v Speaker 1>with a good book are great nights, but adventurous outings

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<v Speaker 1>to choose? I'm gonna get rid of the introverted option

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but your cozy knights in are with movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time. I would much rather watch a

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<v Speaker 2>Anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's not truly. You know what I you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I read. I only read leadership books for the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of, you know, knowledge and growth in my profession.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not true. That's not true. I'll read things

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<v Speaker 1>that helped me grow and develop my faith in my

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<v Speaker 1>character as well. But what I will not read is

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<v Speaker 1>I will not read stories fiction fiction. I just won't

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<v Speaker 1>read fiction. I just won't do it. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Well, that's not true. I won't make the time.

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that I can answer this.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to pick one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to abstain. One must go, it must go.

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<v Speaker 2>One must go. Okay, adventurous outings with friends? Yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I did, because I can adventure outings without friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. I'll do this myself. That's right, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised you chose that, but yeah, I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean I have tons of adventurous outings, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>One must go the thrill of a spontaneous adventure or

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<v Speaker 1>the joy of a meticulously planned event. Both of those

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<v Speaker 1>are great. I mean, think about the benefits of both

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<v Speaker 2>Which one's yours?

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<v Speaker 1>But one has to go on? That's rough.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say the joy of a meticulously planned event?

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<v Speaker 1>Me too?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too. And Chad just died and says, did

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<v Speaker 2>our executive pastor? He just died a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>He just died inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how about this one? One must go getting to

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<v Speaker 2>see the hottest show on Broadway Live or going to

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite sports team game.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, this is gonna say a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>me here, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, it is. It's gonna say a lot about this.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna say it right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Going just getting to see the hottest show on Broadway

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<v Speaker 1>Live or going to your forts favorite sports team event game. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's I'm gonna pick getting rid of the sports team.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me tell you why, because you can watch

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, I knew that one.

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<v Speaker 1>But see, there's a massive difference between seeing Broadway live

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<v Speaker 1>or Broadway on TV. So I've seen Hamilton on Disney

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<v Speaker 1>no less than I'm not kidding forty times.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, Wow, that might be forty times too many.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So then, but then I've seen Hamilton in person twice, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And the difference between seeing Hamilton twice and those forty

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, I remember taking my kids to the

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<v Speaker 1>Lions games, right, and I dropped like a grand And

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<v Speaker 1>was miserable. Okay, And I thought to myself, I could

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, you got it right there, right, You win

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<v Speaker 2>me over?

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<v Speaker 1>So is that what you're gonna choose?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Probably because I'm not a big live sports guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather watch it on TV. Okay, And I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you. The Broadway is way better in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I only go to like one Broadway show every

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to six this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah, okay, so here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>The last one. The comfort of a favorite old movie

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<v Speaker 2>or the excitement of seeing a new film on opening night.

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<v Speaker 1>That is torture. It's a torture's question for me, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>is it? But I'm gonna have to say, if one

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's nothing like a movie that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see an opening night in the theater. And I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm wondering when theaters are going to go away forever?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, COVID's change.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything in the theaters are getting better and better stream yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and sometimes you know it's almost now it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>more common to see great movies. In fact, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is more common to see great movies that are

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<v Speaker 1>being released on like Apple TV than it is to

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<v Speaker 1>see the great movies released on theaters in theaters, So

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think it's more common. So I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>theater is going to go away. But you know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's that thing where it's like, you know, the first

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<v Speaker 1>what's the first best date? People still say movie and dinner? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I just I wonder if it's ever going to

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<v Speaker 1>that it will eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm pretty ambivalent on this one. So

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<v Speaker 2>whichever one, what did you pick?

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<v Speaker 1>I picked the favoritable movie going away?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll pick I'll pick that one being the one

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<v Speaker 2>that tastes Then it doesn't matter. I'm gonna be our

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<v Speaker 2>adversarially adversarial.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, hey, that was nine minutes, so you're never

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<v Speaker 2>getting back people, so.

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<v Speaker 1>There at all fairness. We took two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>minutes to promote the Bible game.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Saul had had some mental health issues, some struggles,

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<v Speaker 2>David would come and play beautiful music, it would call

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<v Speaker 2>it says after David had finished talking with Saul, he

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<v Speaker 2>met Jonathan, the King's son. There was an immediate bond

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<v Speaker 2>between them. For David, Jonathan loved David from that day on.

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<v Speaker 2>Saul kept David with him and wouldn't let him return home,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jonathan made a solemn pack with David because he

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<v Speaker 2>pack by taking off his robe and giving it to David,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel came out to meet King Saul. They sang and

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousands. This made Saul very angry. What's this? He said,

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<v Speaker 2>only thousands. Next they'll be making him their king. So

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<v Speaker 2>The very next day, a tormenting spirit from God overwhelmed Saul,

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<v Speaker 2>and he began to rave in his house like a madman.

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<v Speaker 2>David was playing the harp, as he did each day,

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<v Speaker 2>but Saul had a spear in his hand, and he

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly hurled at it David, intending to pin him to

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<v Speaker 2>the wall, but David escaped him twice. Saul was then

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of David, for the Lord was with David and

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<v Speaker 2>turned away from Saul. Finally, Saul sent him away and

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<v Speaker 2>led his troops into battle. David continued to succeed and

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<v Speaker 2>everything he did, for the Lord is with him. When

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<v Speaker 2>Saul recognized this, he became even more afraid of him.

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<v Speaker 2>But all Israel and Judah loved David because he was

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so David's popularity is on the rise. He could

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<v Speaker 1>do no wrong. But most importantly, the Lord was with him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And Saul basically knew that, you know, David's a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>And Saul also felt, like, you know, probably in his

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands, but Saul probably also knew, this man's probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to make a better king than me, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>he sees David's love, he sees, you know, for the Lord,

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<v Speaker 1>he sees David's faith, and there's a deep seated jealousy

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<v Speaker 1>that Saul has. But you know what stands out to

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<v Speaker 1>me mostly in this chapter, from that whole thing, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the tormenting spirit that took over Saul came from God.

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<v Speaker 1>And it reminds me of Pharaoh and Moses, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember how remember how it was God who hardened Pharaoh's

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<v Speaker 1>heart and and and all of a sudden, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the story continued with complexity because it seemed like God

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<v Speaker 1>And this in this case, it seems like God's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that adds the complexity to their relationship by giving

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<v Speaker 1>Saul a tormenting spirit. But I start to look at

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<v Speaker 1>that at a different through a different lens, which is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is part of God's judgment on Saul, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>God knew that Saul was a man who didn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>love him with his whole heart. God predicted remember through

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel that uh, you know, he tell the people this

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<v Speaker 1>is what's gonna happ and if they choose a king,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially this king, right, but they wanted Saul because

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<v Speaker 1>he was head and shoulders above everybody else. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this tormenting spirit that comes from God, I look at

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<v Speaker 1>it as you know, this is a judgment on Saul,

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, here he is, you know, not following

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<v Speaker 2>I think I missed the lead up to this. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you guys when I was gone, did you guys talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Saul and why God removed his hand from Saul's blessing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're talking about you were gone?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I was gone?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, so Wesley and I Yes, Yeah, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>talked about that. Yeah. I think so it's reference said.

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<v Speaker 2>So he kept bringing back instead of wiping out the

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<v Speaker 2>villages and all those things, he kept bringing back. You know, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're going to sacrifice these sheep. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to sacrifice these things. And Samuel finally came and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>God's done with you, right because he kept disobeying God.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we did not cover that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, so yeah, I think it's really important we cover this,

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<v Speaker 2>that God's not just being an arbitrary like I quit

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<v Speaker 2>liking this guy. God had told Saul, through Samuel, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to obey everything I say. The only way that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be successful as a king is if

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<v Speaker 2>you choose to do it exactly what I tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he God had sent him in go wipe

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<v Speaker 2>out the Amalekites or whatever and just obliterate them, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're evil and I'm using you to bring judgment. But

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<v Speaker 2>instead what he did is he brought back a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of their treasures, and he brought back a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>their animals. And Samuel's like, hey, you can't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and he keeps doing it, and he keeps saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my intent was good, right. What I intended to do

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<v Speaker 2>was I was going to bring these animals back. I

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<v Speaker 2>the people. But we're going to execute the king anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just wanted to bring the king back as

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<v Speaker 2>And God had said, don't bring any truth. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>about you, right, this isn't about the people of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about me bringing judgment on these wicked people.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're the tool I'm using, and said, he keeps

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<v Speaker 2>bringing trophies back, and then he brings back all these

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<v Speaker 2>animals and Samuel goes, what in the world are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, oh, I brought him back to sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 2>And Samuel says, don't you know that obedience is better

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<v Speaker 2>than sacrifice. Yeah, no, we didn't cover any right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he says. And he said, listen, God's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take his hand off you. Your family will not be

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<v Speaker 2>king no more. There is no more. You're the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the family for you. There'll be no more. God's

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<v Speaker 2>going to put his blessing on somebody else. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>when God chose David as a young man to be

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<v Speaker 2>the king. And the Bible says in for Samuel sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>verse fourteen. After that, right after that point, God had

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<v Speaker 2>put blessing on David. And then it says, now the

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<v Speaker 2>spirit of the Lord had left Saul, right, so God

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<v Speaker 2>had put his spirit on him as a leader. But

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<v Speaker 2>then he kept disobeying, He kept having partial obedience, he

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<v Speaker 2>kept having a good reason why he couldn't obey God.

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<v Speaker 2>How often have your people say, oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we should be living together, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the economy is really really hard right now, right, God's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna understand. No, God doesn't understand. That's the story of Saul.

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<v Speaker 2>God will not understand why you have partial obedience. And

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<v Speaker 2>so God goes, nope, and he took his hand off

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<v Speaker 2>of Saul. The spirit left Saul, the Bible says, and

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<v Speaker 2>it says, and the Lord sent a tormenting spirit that

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<v Speaker 2>filled him with depression and fear. So this tormenting spirit

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<v Speaker 2>that he has here is this fear, this depression that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the fact that he had walked away from

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<v Speaker 2>God completely. And so remember when we read in Psalm

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<v Speaker 2>chapter one, it says that God oversees and looks over

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<v Speaker 2>the path of the righteous, but the path of the

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<v Speaker 2>wicked goes to destruction. And so this is not like

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<v Speaker 2>God just being a mean God. Well, God just took

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<v Speaker 2>his blessing off of Saul. And when that happens, then

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<v Speaker 2>what's left is this depression and fear that just begins

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<v Speaker 2>best tool Saul has in his entire aart arsenal, is David, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he elevates him, Hey, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>be a commander, and then he hates him. He throws

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<v Speaker 2>a spear at him, and then he elevates him, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>go out and fight this battle. And then he gets

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<v Speaker 2>mad and he throws the spear. He's just all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place, and it's because he doesn't have God guiding

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<v Speaker 2>and protecting his life anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so we covered We definitely mentioned that Saul

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<v Speaker 1>disobeyed God and that Samuel had said that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite wasn't on us, King Saul, But we did

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<v Speaker 1>not talk about that story because that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best verses in the Bible. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the idea that he would come back and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I did these things so that I could sacrifice to

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord. It's this idea that we justify in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of ministry. So many different things, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>good intent good intent. Yeah right, it's just good. God

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It's so funny when we try to justify our

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<v Speaker 2>sinful behavior, going oh, God understands why we need to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. But what we miss out on is God's

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<v Speaker 2>descriptions of sin. Bible talks about how like a pig

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the slop, right, that's how God views sin.

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<v Speaker 2>A dog goes back to his vomit. There's never a

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<v Speaker 2>time that God would watch you eating your own vomit

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<v Speaker 2>and go, yeah, I understand why you need to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's never a time God to look at you wallowing

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why you need to do that. Right. We

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<v Speaker 2>view sin as something that's necessary, something that we want,

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<v Speaker 2>something that brings us pleasure. And God sees it as

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<v Speaker 2>the vomit of a dog, as the filth and putrescence

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<v Speaker 2>of a pig pen. That's what he sees. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>never time God goes, oh, now, I understand why you

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<v Speaker 2>needed to do that. It's horrific. It's night marriage to him.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more we spend our time in God's word,

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<v Speaker 2>the more we begin to see sin the way he

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<v Speaker 2>sees it. And the more we begin to delight in

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<v Speaker 2>things the way he delights, right, and the good things.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, God takes his blessing off of Saul, and

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<v Speaker 2>without having the peace of God in your life. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in that world everybody's trying to assassinate you, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>So have you ever gone to a leadership conference some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of shifting gears on this thought? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>gone a leadership conference where they used this passage? Saul

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands, And it's a leadership principle. How you should

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<v Speaker 1>be okay with hiring people who are better than you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>hiring people who are you know, more competent than you,

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<v Speaker 1>your pride, your jealousy, all those different things. And think

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<v Speaker 1>about everything that we can learn from the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Saul still thinks that the credit goes to the human right.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet David most likely doesn't think that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's thinking, what do you mean, I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>credit for tens of thousands? The lord gets the credit

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<v Speaker 1>for tens of thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to this point, he'd killed a Philistine. Well, they're

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<v Speaker 2>on the way home from that victory. That's what it says.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Saul's armies promoted over commanders. Yeah, he did,

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<v Speaker 2>but he hadn't fought any words. Yet, they're returning home

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<v Speaker 2>from the victory. It literally says verse six, when the

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<v Speaker 2>victorious Israelight army was returning home after David had killed

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<v Speaker 2>the Philistine, women from all the towns Israel came out

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<v Speaker 2>to meet him. So it says here that the armies

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel went and killed all of the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the Philistines, but David killed. David killed, Goliath still had

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<v Speaker 2>his head in his hand, and Abner took David to Saul.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you saying. You're saying the women saying

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong things.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm saying that this Wasdavid's moment in the spotlight,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were saying things that aren't true. Huh right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because you think about it. The story was David

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<v Speaker 2>kills Goliath. Abner goes and gets him while he's still

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<v Speaker 2>holding the head in his hand and takes him to Saul,

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<v Speaker 2>and the armies of Israel go and chase down the

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<v Speaker 2>Philistines and kill him. Yeah, I guess. So David didn't

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<v Speaker 2>kill thousands. David killed tens of thousands. David killed one.

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<v Speaker 2>And so sometimes your fan base has an over inflated

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<v Speaker 2>idea of who you are and what you've accomplished. Saul

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<v Speaker 2>is the one that has led the people of Israel

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<v Speaker 2>to kill the army's visual to defeat tens of thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess. I guess. I never distinguished the literal

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<v Speaker 1>like the chronological moment here, because it says in verse

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<v Speaker 1>five that so Saul made him a commander over the

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<v Speaker 1>men of war and appointed an appointment that was welcomed

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<v Speaker 1>by the people and the saw's officers alike, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all literally within minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it says or fourteen, David continued to succeed

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<v Speaker 1>in everything he did for the lord was with him, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So it talks about that that's after the songs though, correct, yea.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, And so because it's all intertwined in the same chapter,

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<v Speaker 1>I never perceived that the things that the women were

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<v Speaker 1>singing weren't actually the case.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing he did, right, So sometimes the fans

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<v Speaker 2>say things that aren't entirely true, and Saul just refused

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<v Speaker 2>to allow David to have his moment. If Saul was confident,

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<v Speaker 2>Saul could look back at his achievements and go, David,

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<v Speaker 2>they're always like this, right, because they say they used

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<v Speaker 2>to sing songs about.

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<v Speaker 1>Sal because people are people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they used to sing songs about Saul. Right, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're our hero. And if he was a confident leader,

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<v Speaker 2>he could let David have his moment because it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>entirely true, but it was how the people were feeling

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment. Oh, David's a hero, yeah, right. But

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<v Speaker 2>Saul was the one who was wise enough to elevate

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<v Speaker 2>David to be the commander. Saul was going to benefit

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<v Speaker 2>for all those things because he had elevated David up

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, he already had Abner, who was

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<v Speaker 2>a great soldier in general, and now he's got this

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<v Speaker 2>young guy, right, so he's got the skilled guy, he's

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<v Speaker 2>got this hero among the people, he's got all this

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<v Speaker 2>momentum behind him. If he could have just seen from

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<v Speaker 2>an organizational standpoint, things are humming along, he could have

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<v Speaker 2>given David all the glory that was coming to David

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<v Speaker 2>in that moment. But the reality is he killed one giant.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all he did, right, And and the women are.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheering, Oh oh, wait a minute, I think I get

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<v Speaker 1>it now. It's because the tens of thousands of Philistines

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<v Speaker 1>died as a result of glass falling. That's probably what happened. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was it was David for that. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was Saul's win.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Abner's win, right, right, it was there is

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<v Speaker 2>so neither saw Abner and David, none of them actually

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in the hunting down of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Philistines, But it was David turn the tides.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's what I'm saying. The parades usually aren't true. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the accolades usually aren't entirely true. And we tend to

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<v Speaker 2>get jealous of the perceived slight against us when somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else is being elevated, right, And it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a silly thing, and jealousy is like a root. It

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<v Speaker 2>turns into bitterness and it'll consume you and you just

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<v Speaker 2>become a shallow who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well there's a lot of sermons in there for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>so hey, that's all the time we have, however, so

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we'll see you tomorrow on the Bible, guys,