00:00:04:24 - 00:00:19:14 Welcome to the Good Going podcast. I am Ken Johnson, horticulture educator with University of Illinois Extension, coming to today from Jacksonville, Illinois, with a Gardenbite. And on this week's Gardenbite we're going to talk about the dreaded bagworm. 00:00:19:14 - 00:00:20:03 So if you’ve had 00:00:20:03 - 00:00:26:15 problems with bag worms in the past. Have no fear. We still have plenty of time to do something about them before they start emerging. 00:00:27:04 - 00:00:34:19 So before we get into to management of bagworms, talk a little bit about their lifecycle. So bagworms are going to overwinter as eggs in the bags 00:00:34:19 - 00:00:35:21 of the females 00:00:36:07 - 00:00:39:02 and a lot of times is going to be laid within the pupal casing 00:00:39:02 - 00:00:40:04 those female 00:00:40:04 - 00:00:40:23 moths. 00:00:40:23 - 00:00:42:20 Eventually those caterpillars will hatch 00:00:43:05 - 00:00:46:16 and some of those caterpillars are going to spin silk strands, 00:00:46:23 - 00:00:49:16 which is going to catch the wind and it's going to carry caterpillars 00:00:49:16 - 00:00:51:10 to other plants. 00:00:51:10 - 00:00:55:14 Unknown And this is known as ballooning. That's something that spiders will do as well. You may have heard of it 00:00:55:23 - 00:00:57:02 in reference to spiders. 00:00:57:17 - 00:00:58:18 Other 00:00:58:18 - 00:01:03:13 bagworms will stick on the same plant and we'll just hang around and feed there. So some will move off, 00:01:03:20 - 00:01:06:22 some might stay if it's a really good plant and there's plenty of food. 00:01:06:22 - 00:01:10:13 Regardless of they stay or leave, eventually they're going to settle down 00:01:10:20 - 00:01:12:06 and they'll start feeding. 00:01:12:12 - 00:01:16:00 And it's commonly believed that bagworms only feed on evergreens. However, 00:01:16:00 - 00:01:20:23 they've been found to feed on over 125 species of plants, both evergreen and deciduous, 00:01:21:05 - 00:01:25:24 Unknown and 45 different plant families. So there's a lot of different types of plants. They feed on. That being said, 00:01:26:07 - 00:01:27:20 we most commonly see them 00:01:28:01 - 00:01:33:19 on spruce, Eastern redcedar and other junipers, arborvitae, white pines, some of 00:01:33:19 - 00:01:36:19 those almost evergreens. You can also find them on crabapple 00:01:36:19 - 00:01:39:00 Unknown pin oak. I've seen them on maple trees 00:01:39:00 - 00:01:39:18 Unknown and other 00:01:39:18 - 00:01:41:05 Unknown types of trees and shrubs as well. 00:01:41:15 - 00:01:49:22 Unknown So when bagworms start feeding. They'll feed on the edges of broadleaf foliage. And sometimes, especially as they get bigger, they may make it down into the mid vein 00:01:49:22 - 00:01:52:01 Unknown and then the leaves of needled evergreens 00:01:52:08 - 00:01:53:11 Unknown are eaten back 00:01:53:11 - 00:01:58:13 Unknown to the base of the plant until nothing remains. A lot and will start to tip and work their way down 00:01:58:21 - 00:01:59:13 Unknown that needle. 00:02:00:04 - 00:02:11:04 Unknown When we have early bagworm feeding, damage often appears kind of light green at first and then whitish to brownish as those cells that have been damaged start to die, the foliage will start to turn brown. 00:02:11:04 - 00:02:13:23 Unknown And like everything else, as bagworms get bigger and older, 00:02:14:06 - 00:02:17:04 Unknown they start eating more and more. And a lot of times the entire leaves 00:02:17:11 - 00:02:19:00 Unknown for the entire needle of the plant 00:02:19:08 - 00:02:20:13 Unknown will be eaten. 00:02:20:23 - 00:02:21:15 Unknown One of the problems with 00:02:21:15 - 00:02:25:07 Unknown needled evergreens, is that when they start feeding on that foliage, those needles 00:02:25:14 - 00:02:27:11 Unknown that can kill a branch 00:02:27:17 - 00:02:29:16 Unknown and if an infestation is really bad, 00:02:29:24 - 00:02:32:13 Unknown entire trees could die, which doesn't happen all that often. 00:02:32:13 - 00:02:35:12 Unknown But it is a possibility. Oftentimes 00:02:35:23 - 00:02:39:20 Unknown bag worms are starting off at the top of the tree and they kind of work their way 00:02:39:20 - 00:02:43:00 Unknown down. So it's not uncommon to see like the top third of an evergreen 00:02:43:00 - 00:02:45:24 Unknown that is dead or has been completely defoliated. 00:02:46:06 - 00:02:52:19 Unknown Fortunately, with deciduous trees, they can refoliate, send out new leaves, and that damage is going to primarily be aesthetic. 00:02:52:19 - 00:02:54:03 Unknown It's not as big of a concern 00:02:54:03 - 00:02:55:18 Unknown with deciduous trees as it is 00:02:55:18 - 00:02:57:23 Unknown with evergreens and bagworms are going to feed 00:02:58:08 - 00:02:59:13 Unknown throughout the summer. 00:02:59:13 - 00:03:01:16 Unknown And the reason we call them bagworms 00:03:02:00 - 00:03:10:10 Unknown is that they spin these individual silk kind of tents to cover up their bodies and they will attach foliage or frass or their poop 00:03:10:10 - 00:03:11:12 Unknown to those bags. 00:03:11:13 - 00:03:15:04 Unknown That's going to help camouflage them, which can make it kind of difficult to find them, especially 00:03:15:04 - 00:03:16:03 Unknown when they're small. 00:03:16:03 - 00:03:17:04 Unknown When they're 00:03:17:04 - 00:03:19:21 Unknown constructing these bags, only the head and the thorax or the 00:03:19:21 - 00:03:22:02 Unknown part of the insect of that caterpillar 00:03:22:02 - 00:03:23:06 Unknown is going to stick out of the bag, 00:03:23:06 - 00:03:27:21 Unknown and that is going to allow it to move around and feed while still being primarily inside 00:03:28:05 - 00:03:28:16 Unknown of the bag 00:03:28:16 - 00:03:29:16 Unknown it's constricting. 00:03:30:09 - 00:03:31:23 Unknown Now, if you were to open up the bag 00:03:31:23 - 00:03:34:20 Unknown now like we have in this picture and take out this caterpillar, 00:03:34:20 - 00:03:37:19 Unknown the back end of that caterpillar is going to be kind of brownish 00:03:37:19 - 00:03:38:24 Unknown or dark brown in color, 00:03:38:24 - 00:03:41:13 Unknown whereas the kind of a head in the thorax area 00:03:41:13 - 00:03:44:08 Unknown is going to have yellow and dark brown patterns 00:03:44:08 - 00:03:45:07 Unknown on it. 00:03:45:14 - 00:03:51:18 Unknown And as they as the caterpillars grow, they will increase the size of the bag and a lot times they're kind of spindle shaped 00:03:51:18 - 00:03:57:01 Unknown and they can be an inch and a half long when they're fully grown, when the caterpillars are fully grown. 00:03:57:01 - 00:03:59:08 Unknown And as long as those caterpillars are feeding, 00:03:59:14 - 00:04:00:13 Unknown they're going to keep adding 00:04:00:13 - 00:04:03:15 Unknown pieces of the foliage that they're feeding on 00:04:03:15 - 00:04:05:04 Unknown onto that bag. 00:04:05:04 - 00:04:11:10 Unknown So, one kind of trick to know if bagworms are still feeding is the presence of green foliage on those bags. 00:04:11:16 - 00:04:13:24 Unknown If that bag is completely brown, there's a good chance that 00:04:13:24 - 00:04:15:07 Unknown insects have stopped feeding 00:04:15:07 - 00:04:18:11 Unknown or is dead or something like that. If it still has green foliage, 00:04:18:11 - 00:04:20:02 Unknown it's still feeding. 00:04:20:02 - 00:04:22:14 Unknown Eventually the caterpillars 00:04:22:14 - 00:04:23:15 Unknown will finish developing. 00:04:23:15 - 00:04:28:07 Unknown They'll go through seven inch Stars. Eventually they will then pupa within their bags. So they will 00:04:28:14 - 00:04:34:14 Unknown they'll attach their bags to a branch with some more silk. And this is a pretty strong strand of silk. 00:04:34:24 - 00:04:37:17 Unknown And they will pupate inside the bag. They'll seal off the tip 00:04:37:17 - 00:04:41:01 Unknown and they'll pupate over a week to ten days. 00:04:41:01 - 00:04:44:16 Unknown And then eventually the adults will emerge from those pupa. 00:04:44:16 - 00:04:46:15 Unknown And adult bagworms 00:04:46:15 - 00:04:52:01 Unknown usually go unnoticed, especially the females. The females do not leave the bags. She spends her entire life 00:04:52:01 - 00:04:52:20 Unknown in the bag 00:04:53:04 - 00:04:59:17 Unknown and they're kind of the females are kind of caterpillar like they don't really look like a moth, that you would typically think of. The wings are reduced, 00:04:59:17 - 00:05:02:04 Unknown the legs are reduced, all of that. 00:05:02:04 - 00:05:04:03 Unknown And males on the other hand, they will emerge 00:05:04:03 - 00:05:10:00 Unknown in their bags and they're capable of flying and they're kind of hairy and charcoal black in appearance. 00:05:10:12 - 00:05:18:09 Unknown So once we have the adults they are going to be emerging in the fall, the females are going to release a pheromone that's going to attract the male moths to their bags. 00:05:18:18 - 00:05:22:06 Unknown The males will then mate with the females while she's still inside of that bag. 00:05:22:06 - 00:05:25:15 Unknown And once the female mates will stop releasing that pheromone 00:05:25:24 - 00:05:29:05 Unknown and will no longer be attractive to males and the males will no longer come 00:05:29:14 - 00:05:30:10 Unknown to those bags. 00:05:30:20 - 00:05:36:13 Unknown The females will then start to lay eggs and again they're laying these eggs inside of that bag often inside of that pupal casing 00:05:36:19 - 00:05:37:17 Unknown that's left behind. 00:05:37:22 - 00:05:43:11 Unknown And either the female will then die within that bag or may fall out right before she dies. 00:05:44:02 - 00:05:45:03 Unknown Neither the male 00:05:45:03 - 00:05:46:07 Unknown or the female feeds. 00:05:46:13 - 00:05:48:08 Unknown So basically, once they emerge, they're mating, 00:05:48:14 - 00:05:51:01 Unknown females are laying eggs and that's it. 00:05:51:10 - 00:05:52:22 Unknown Females can live for a couple of weeks. 00:05:53:03 - 00:05:56:15 Unknown Males usually only live a couple of days. Basically, they mate and then they die. 00:05:56:15 - 00:06:02:19 Unknown That's kind of the life cycle. So then the eggs are going to be overwintering and then they will emerge in the spring. 00:06:02:23 - 00:06:07:23 Unknown So one of the easiest ways to manage bag worms in our landscapes is to handpick the bags off of plants, 00:06:08:04 - 00:06:09:11 Unknown and we still have 00:06:09:11 - 00:06:10:19 Unknown plenty of time to do this. 00:06:10:19 - 00:06:11:20 Unknown And when you're picking those, 00:06:11:20 - 00:06:12:02 Unknown you 00:06:12:02 - 00:06:16:06 Unknown want to make sure you either discard those bags or crush them, because if you just throw them on the ground, 00:06:16:12 - 00:06:22:09 Unknown those eggs can still hatch in those caterpillars, can still get on to your trees and start feeding on them. 00:06:22:09 - 00:06:27:17 Unknown So bagworms I mentioned we still have a lot, still have a good amount of time before they hatch. Bagworms hatch 00:06:28:00 - 00:06:31:05 Unknown at 600 growing degree days with a base 50. 00:06:31:10 - 00:06:33:03 Unknown And that starts at March 1st, 00:06:33:12 - 00:06:37:19 Unknown Which if you're not familiar with growing degree days and how that works, that probably makes no sense whatsoever. 00:06:38:03 - 00:06:41:20 Unknown But in Illinois, it's usually maybe mid to late May and southern Illinois. 00:06:41:24 - 00:06:43:04 Unknown And then going into June 00:06:43:11 - 00:06:51:06 Unknown when we get up into northern Illinois. So still plenty of time. If you want to learn more about the growing degree days, you can check out the National Phenology Network 00:06:51:15 - 00:06:55:00 Unknown at usanpn.org. 00:06:55:02 - 00:06:59:24 Unknown You got a link to that here on the screen. And we'll also put it in the show notes if you really want to check that out. 00:07:00:05 - 00:07:06:13 Unknown And they have maps where you can track the growing degree day accumulation and how close we are getting to 00:07:06:20 - 00:07:10:21 Unknown bagworm emergence. And they also have this for a lot of other insect pests as well. 00:07:11:00 - 00:07:26:20 Unknown So once we kind of get close to that time where they're going to be start emerging, we want to start scouting for bagworms. So start looking for early damage on the leaves. So they may have some kind of scarifying. They may just be scraping off the surface of the leaves, start looking for that, start looking for caterpillars walking around. 00:07:26:20 - 00:07:30:08 Unknown You can open up bags if you still have bags on the trees and look to see if there's eggs in there 00:07:30:08 - 00:07:31:19 Unknown that have hatched or not. 00:07:32:08 - 00:07:37:18 Unknown And then once you start noticing that feeding damage, you start noticing caterpillars on your plants 00:07:37:18 - 00:07:43:19 Unknown one thing you can do is pray for them. So sprays of Bacillus thuringiensis kurstaki or Btk 00:07:44:06 - 00:07:45:23 Unknown or Spinosad can be used. 00:07:46:11 - 00:07:48:17 Unknown These are pretty selective insecticides, 00:07:48:24 - 00:08:11:16 Unknown so they don't really harm non pest insects all that much. And they're also organic if you're interested in organic products. But a word of caution here, these products, like a lot of other things, become less effective as the caterpillars get bigger. So they're much easier to control with these little more specific organic type insecticides when they're younger. 00:08:12:09 - 00:08:17:09 Unknown As they get bigger, you may have to look at things like some of the pyrethroids 00:08:17:15 - 00:08:23:12 Unknown and things like that, but even then they're going to have their limitations once they get really big, they get more difficult to control. So 00:08:24:01 - 00:08:27:20 Unknown like many other things, the sooner you can manage them, the more successful 00:08:28:03 - 00:08:29:11 Unknown you'll be. 00:08:29:18 - 00:08:36:21 Unknown And there are also a lot of different natural enemies that will also help manage bagworms. 00:08:37:08 - 00:08:43:09 Unknown So there's a lot of different types of parasitoid wasps, there have been over 11 species of parasitoid wasps that have been found to feed on bag worms. 00:08:43:09 - 00:08:44:12 Unknown There's predators, 00:08:44:17 - 00:08:46:05 Unknown mice will feed on them. 00:08:46:13 - 00:08:52:16 Unknown Larger wasps. Wasps like baldfaced hornets have been noted as feeding on them. So a lot of things will eat 00:08:52:22 - 00:08:54:02 Unknown bagworms even birds 00:08:54:08 - 00:08:55:08 Unknown will eat them as well. 00:08:55:20 - 00:09:04:13 Unknown So another thing we can do can have a little more long term, maybe, sustainable approach to managing bagworms is planting flowers. So, like I mentioned, 00:09:04:21 - 00:09:06:16 Unknown parasitoid wasps will feed on them, 00:09:06:21 - 00:09:08:11 Unknown other wasps will feed on them. 00:09:08:20 - 00:09:12:20 Unknown And these these wasps, both parasitoid and predatory wasps, 00:09:13:05 - 00:09:17:19 Unknown they are using, in this case, the caterpillars of bagworms as food for their offspring. 00:09:18:04 - 00:09:22:06 Unknown So the parasitoid wasps are laying their eggs in the bagworms and the larvae are feeding on them. 00:09:22:06 - 00:09:28:20 Unknown Something like a baldfaced hornet will cut open that bag, pull out that bagworm, chew it up, and then feed it to its offspring. 00:09:28:20 - 00:09:36:13 Unknown But the adults, they feed primarily on pollen and nectar. So they are pollinators. So these insects are acting as pollinators and predators. 00:09:36:13 - 00:09:36:23 Unknown So 00:09:37:05 - 00:09:39:20 Unknown if we have a lot of floral resources, a lot of flowers for them 00:09:40:03 - 00:09:47:16 Unknown that's going to provide food sources for these adults, which will attract them to your landscape and keep them around long term. 00:09:47:16 - 00:09:59:06 Unknown So there is a study in 2005 that kind of shows how beneficial it can be to have flowering plants near plants that are going to be attacked by bagworms. Maybe if you have a lot of problems with bagworms on your evergreens, 00:09:59:14 - 00:10:01:09 Unknown maybe plants a flowerbed by 00:10:01:16 - 00:10:02:20 Unknown or a flowerbed nearby. 00:10:03:04 - 00:10:04:13 Unknown So in this study, they found 00:10:04:20 - 00:10:06:11 Unknown 70% of the bagworms 00:10:06:20 - 00:10:19:15 Unknown that were on plants that had a flowerbed nearby were parasitized by these parasitoid wasps. On the other hand, bagworms that were on trees and stuff that weren't near flowerbeds, they only had 40% parsitized. They had 00:10:19:15 - 00:10:20:13 Unknown 30% more 00:10:20:24 - 00:10:23:16 Unknown bag worms are parasitized when you had 00:10:23:16 - 00:10:25:08 Unknown flowerbeds nearby. 00:10:25:10 - 00:10:25:20 Unknown So, if 00:10:26:06 - 00:10:30:21 Unknown consistently have issues with bagworms, maybe consider 00:10:30:21 - 00:10:35:14 Unknown putting a flowerbed in nearby your plants. 00:10:35:14 - 00:10:38:09 Unknown That's all I got for you for this week's Gardenbite. 00:10:38:09 - 00:10:42:21 Unknown Thank you for doing what you do best. And that is listening. Or if you're watching us on YouTube watching. 00:10:43:05 - 00:10:46:04 Unknown And as always, keep on growing. 00:10:46:04 - 00:10:51:05 Unknown