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00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:36,015 He's represented Team Canada on the world stage and helped shape the 27 00:01:36,015 --> 00:01:37,425 direction of the sport nationally. 28 00:01:38,369 --> 00:01:41,820 At the same time, he serves as senior designer and team lead at 29 00:01:41,820 --> 00:01:45,570 modular driven technology, sporting goods, leading the development of 30 00:01:45,570 --> 00:01:49,080 chassis systems and accessories trusted by shooters around the world. 31 00:01:49,649 --> 00:01:52,229 He founded the BC Precision Rifle League. 32 00:01:52,259 --> 00:01:53,460 He directs matches. 33 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:56,399 He sits on the board of the Canadian Precision Rifle Association 34 00:01:57,030 --> 00:02:00,929 and he helps select the very athletes he competes alongside. 35 00:02:01,530 --> 00:02:04,800 Welcome to the Silver Corp podcast, Josh Boha. 36 00:02:05,399 --> 00:02:06,449 Thank you for having me, Travis. 37 00:02:06,539 --> 00:02:07,619 What an intro, 38 00:02:07,619 --> 00:02:07,889 my guy. 39 00:02:07,889 --> 00:02:08,669 It's crazy. 40 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:10,919 Yeah, it only took me five times to get through that one. 41 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:12,000 I don't know. 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,149 Worries. 43 00:02:12,149 --> 00:02:12,630 It's so hard. 44 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:15,329 I don't think I have that many accomplishments, but I appreciate it, man. 45 00:02:15,329 --> 00:02:15,690 Thank you. 46 00:02:15,810 --> 00:02:16,109 Thank you. 47 00:02:16,290 --> 00:02:21,120 Never have I ever, never have I ever knocked somebody's 48 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,430 rifle over onto the concrete. 49 00:02:24,195 --> 00:02:29,055 Uh, to top it off, add a PRS match aside from your rifle. 50 00:02:29,505 --> 00:02:31,454 Yes, that's a fair point. 51 00:02:31,605 --> 00:02:32,864 It got fully dropped. 52 00:02:32,864 --> 00:02:33,765 I forgot about that. 53 00:02:33,855 --> 00:02:34,605 Oh, man. 54 00:02:35,295 --> 00:02:39,375 You know, I is, if you want to challenge, shoot a PRS match and 55 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:40,935 bring your son with you mm-hmm. 56 00:02:41,174 --> 00:02:45,524 And make sure that he's on your squad together and you're helping with all 57 00:02:45,524 --> 00:02:48,915 of his dope and getting them on and makes sure they're sure things are good. 58 00:02:49,065 --> 00:02:51,285 He put his rifle up right by yours. 59 00:02:51,285 --> 00:02:52,935 I'm like, uh, don't put it there in the way. 60 00:02:52,935 --> 00:02:54,734 It's, you're gonna knock his over and I grab it. 61 00:02:54,734 --> 00:02:55,334 What do I do? 62 00:02:55,334 --> 00:02:56,445 Completely my fault. 63 00:02:56,715 --> 00:02:57,975 I knock over your rifle. 64 00:02:58,035 --> 00:03:01,035 Well, to be fair, I, you know, I completely black this out from 65 00:03:01,035 --> 00:03:04,785 my memory until right now, to be fair, the bipod just slipped. 66 00:03:05,085 --> 00:03:05,835 I think is what happened. 67 00:03:05,835 --> 00:03:09,435 I think my bipod was very loosely on my dovetail and it just went off 68 00:03:09,555 --> 00:03:10,725 and then the whole gun was gone. 69 00:03:10,785 --> 00:03:11,535 Yes. 70 00:03:11,745 --> 00:03:13,935 Well, you know, fair, fair. 71 00:03:14,475 --> 00:03:17,775 What I was impressed by was twofold. 72 00:03:18,045 --> 00:03:20,055 Number one, your reaction to that. 73 00:03:20,175 --> 00:03:23,505 Because like, I remember when I'm on, I was at the Justice 74 00:03:23,535 --> 00:03:27,255 Institute range and I just got this brand new 50 millimeter lens. 75 00:03:27,285 --> 00:03:27,375 Yeah. 76 00:03:27,375 --> 00:03:31,125 It was a pro series, L series, whatever, cannon lens. 77 00:03:31,155 --> 00:03:34,605 And one of my instructors brought the targets back and 78 00:03:34,605 --> 00:03:36,615 hit the tripod and thing broke. 79 00:03:36,615 --> 00:03:40,185 And it was split right at the, at the ring. 80 00:03:40,215 --> 00:03:43,485 And he says, you know, there's a flash of I'm gonna kill you. 81 00:03:44,144 --> 00:03:46,005 He says, but you quickly composed yourself. 82 00:03:46,035 --> 00:03:46,125 Mm-hmm. 83 00:03:46,454 --> 00:03:48,345 I never got a flash of I'm gonna kill you. 84 00:03:48,345 --> 00:03:50,475 You're like, okay, well let's just put a couple rounds through this 85 00:03:50,475 --> 00:03:52,245 thing and, um, see where it's at. 86 00:03:52,245 --> 00:03:53,505 And you're like, yeah, shooting fine. 87 00:03:53,655 --> 00:03:54,345 No harm, no foul. 88 00:03:54,345 --> 00:03:54,945 We're good to go. 89 00:03:54,945 --> 00:03:55,665 So I was impressed. 90 00:03:55,665 --> 00:03:56,025 Twofold. 91 00:03:56,025 --> 00:03:56,565 Number one. 92 00:03:56,905 --> 00:04:00,295 Your reaction, the calm, under pressure, and number two, 93 00:04:00,295 --> 00:04:02,305 the durability of your setup. 94 00:04:02,305 --> 00:04:04,885 That, uh, someone can just dump the whole thing on the 95 00:04:04,885 --> 00:04:06,655 concrete and you're like, yep. 96 00:04:06,655 --> 00:04:07,195 Good to go. 97 00:04:07,195 --> 00:04:07,795 Let's keep going. 98 00:04:08,095 --> 00:04:11,755 That poor gun, that one, all of my poor competition rifles 99 00:04:11,755 --> 00:04:13,105 get abused a little bit. 100 00:04:13,105 --> 00:04:13,315 Right. 101 00:04:13,315 --> 00:04:14,365 They all kind of get beat up. 102 00:04:14,365 --> 00:04:15,325 They all kind of get banged up. 103 00:04:15,325 --> 00:04:17,784 Like it's, this is why we check zeros. 104 00:04:18,445 --> 00:04:18,954 Yes. 105 00:04:19,015 --> 00:04:22,645 Partially because we don't trust the TSA and partially because you just have 106 00:04:22,645 --> 00:04:23,875 to go and just verify your stuff's. 107 00:04:23,875 --> 00:04:24,055 Good. 108 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:24,325 Right. 109 00:04:24,655 --> 00:04:28,765 So you, you had an interesting background. 110 00:04:29,125 --> 00:04:29,215 Mm-hmm. 111 00:04:29,515 --> 00:04:31,495 You were, you were born over in South Africa. 112 00:04:31,495 --> 00:04:34,344 I think we were talking earlier, had a little bit of a stint in England mm-hmm. 113 00:04:34,585 --> 00:04:35,995 And then, uh, over to Canada. 114 00:04:36,145 --> 00:04:36,235 Yep. 115 00:04:36,355 --> 00:04:36,985 Tell me about that. 116 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,799 Yeah, I mean, uh, Mr. Worldwide over here a little bit. 117 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:43,909 I, uh, yeah, I was, uh, my dad is South African. 118 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:45,859 Um, he's from South Africa. 119 00:04:45,859 --> 00:04:48,260 He lived there for 40 years and, uh, that's where I was born. 120 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:51,320 Me and my brother were born down in Port Elizabeth, which now has a new name 121 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,580 that I can't pronounce, unfortunately. 122 00:04:53,299 --> 00:04:53,780 Fair enough. 123 00:04:53,780 --> 00:04:56,359 But yeah, that's where I'm from, down near Cape Town, uh, on the Western Cape. 124 00:04:56,450 --> 00:05:00,229 And, uh, grew up there for a little while and my parents, um, decided 125 00:05:00,830 --> 00:05:02,000 it was time for a better life. 126 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,909 And then to kind of get out of the bit of a messy situation that was 127 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:08,000 going on in, in South Africa in the late nineties and early two thousands. 128 00:05:09,075 --> 00:05:13,245 Yeah, we, uh, we moved to England where my mom's from and, uh, I grew up there 129 00:05:13,245 --> 00:05:16,125 and um, actually last year when I was there for the world championships, 130 00:05:16,125 --> 00:05:17,655 I went to the little tiny village. 131 00:05:17,655 --> 00:05:19,635 I went to school and it was insane. 132 00:05:19,665 --> 00:05:20,025 Cool. 133 00:05:20,025 --> 00:05:22,365 Like I could walk, there was a cricket match going on. 134 00:05:22,425 --> 00:05:25,005 I was walking in the summertime, end to end in the village. 135 00:05:25,005 --> 00:05:26,115 The little pub people were out. 136 00:05:26,115 --> 00:05:27,585 I was like, man, this is insane. 137 00:05:27,585 --> 00:05:28,665 I haven't been here in 20 years. 138 00:05:28,725 --> 00:05:29,415 That's so cool. 139 00:05:29,445 --> 00:05:30,645 Um, but yeah, no, it was Did 140 00:05:30,645 --> 00:05:31,515 anyone remember you? 141 00:05:31,515 --> 00:05:33,045 Did you have anyone that you could 142 00:05:33,315 --> 00:05:33,885 Well, actually, yeah. 143 00:05:33,885 --> 00:05:36,105 So I stopped by the church at the very end of the village. 144 00:05:36,135 --> 00:05:37,365 It's place is called Church Eaton. 145 00:05:37,425 --> 00:05:38,355 It literally is so small. 146 00:05:38,355 --> 00:05:39,705 It has a church, a pub. 147 00:05:40,050 --> 00:05:41,160 And a post office and that's it. 148 00:05:41,370 --> 00:05:42,660 There's no stores, there's nothing. 149 00:05:42,665 --> 00:05:42,915 Yeah. 150 00:05:42,915 --> 00:05:43,035 Yeah. 151 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:43,170 Yeah. 152 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,790 It's just a little tiny farm community in cricket. 153 00:05:44,850 --> 00:05:46,770 Cricket, uh, pitch and that's it. 154 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:50,250 And uh, so I went into the church, I parked and I walked over and there 155 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:52,110 was these old ladies like running around and they're like, Hey, can 156 00:05:52,110 --> 00:05:52,890 you help us, like lift something? 157 00:05:52,890 --> 00:05:54,150 We need like a strong dude to come help us. 158 00:05:54,150 --> 00:05:54,930 Like, oh yeah, no worries. 159 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:55,530 I like walk over. 160 00:05:55,530 --> 00:05:55,800 And they're like, 161 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:56,880 that's how they suck you in. 162 00:05:56,970 --> 00:05:57,660 Yeah, right. 163 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,820 And, uh, they're cleaning out the church and they're getting rid of all this 164 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:00,930 stuff, and they're just natting away. 165 00:06:00,930 --> 00:06:02,040 And they're like, what are you doing here? 166 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,250 Like a, you sound like an American, and B, what are you doing here? 167 00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:09,630 And I told them my story and it turns out they knew friends of ours. 168 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:10,650 And, um. 169 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,950 Uh, the g Grimshaw family we grew up with. 170 00:06:13,010 --> 00:06:13,219 Yeah. 171 00:06:13,219 --> 00:06:14,300 And they were like, holy crap. 172 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:15,200 Like, what are you doing here? 173 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,070 Like, this is amazing. 174 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:16,580 This is crazy. 175 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:17,690 I gotta talking to these old ladies. 176 00:06:17,690 --> 00:06:18,469 And they were so sweet. 177 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:20,390 They kept giving me all these flyers and all these things and 178 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:21,770 I was like, this is awesome. 179 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,610 That's pretty cool. 180 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:25,610 I always like how they, you know, over in England they got such 181 00:06:25,610 --> 00:06:29,450 a small little island, so many people, yet they still have wild 182 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:31,130 spaces and you can still get out. 183 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:34,310 And I like how they're, you know, even their, their 184 00:06:34,340 --> 00:06:36,110 version of redneck hillbillies. 185 00:06:36,140 --> 00:06:36,349 Yep. 186 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:39,289 They still got all the necessities basically in walking distance. 187 00:06:39,289 --> 00:06:41,985 And some people, they got their favorite pub and they mm-hmm. 188 00:06:42,169 --> 00:06:44,000 That's the pub they go to from 189 00:06:44,060 --> 00:06:45,169 some, most people. 190 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,370 Right, right. 191 00:06:46,370 --> 00:06:47,180 And now that's it. 192 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:47,390 Right. 193 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:48,260 From drinking age. 194 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:48,349 Mm-hmm. 195 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:50,630 Or maybe even before for the rest of their life. 196 00:06:50,630 --> 00:06:52,865 And that's their social center and their church is right down the road. 197 00:06:52,865 --> 00:06:53,185 Mm-hmm. 198 00:06:53,265 --> 00:06:56,000 And they're, they've got, I, I think that's pretty, pretty 199 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,050 neat how that's all set up. 200 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:57,870 Yeah. 201 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:58,080 Yeah. 202 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,989 And so I kind of grew up in the West Midlands, which is sort Central England. 203 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:01,049 Okay. 204 00:07:01,049 --> 00:07:02,489 Near Birmingham kind of area. 205 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Okay. 206 00:07:02,969 --> 00:07:04,950 Um, little south end place near Stafford. 207 00:07:05,010 --> 00:07:07,950 And um, yeah, that was my, that was my childhood kind of growing 208 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:10,739 up in the, in the, in the wild a little bit, but it's still England. 209 00:07:10,739 --> 00:07:10,919 Right. 210 00:07:10,919 --> 00:07:14,460 So I had a pellet gun and I, I, uh, got into some trouble, you know, 211 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:16,349 hanging out the window, shooting pigeons and stuff like that. 212 00:07:16,349 --> 00:07:16,469 Whoops. 213 00:07:17,635 --> 00:07:17,969 But, well, 214 00:07:18,330 --> 00:07:19,799 they're regulated over there, aren't they? 215 00:07:19,799 --> 00:07:20,340 Pelicans? 216 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:20,400 Yeah. 217 00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:21,780 Well, it's kind of like here, right? 218 00:07:21,780 --> 00:07:24,780 Anything under 500 feet per second, they don't really care too much. 219 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:24,960 Right? 220 00:07:24,965 --> 00:07:28,140 Mm. So we shot that in the backyard and things, but shooting and hunting 221 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:31,469 and archery, all of that stuff wasn't really a, it wasn't an option. 222 00:07:31,469 --> 00:07:31,770 Right. 223 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:32,010 But, 224 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,520 and that's the other thing they got going, they have, uh, sound moderators 225 00:07:35,549 --> 00:07:35,849 Right. 226 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,640 What we call suppressors or silencers they call moderators. 227 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:38,789 Yeah. 228 00:07:38,820 --> 00:07:41,190 'cause it's got a better ring to it, I guess. 229 00:07:41,190 --> 00:07:42,030 More palatable. 230 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:42,690 Right. 231 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:43,859 And they make it mandatory. 232 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:44,729 You gotta have this 233 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,030 exactly. 234 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:46,140 Yeah. 235 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,620 So, yeah, I mean, going from there, my dad, uh, he went on a fishing 236 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:52,230 trip to Vancouver Island in 2005. 237 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:52,920 Fell in 238 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:53,250 love, 239 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:53,850 fell in love. 240 00:07:53,910 --> 00:07:57,480 Literally he got, he got here, he got to, uh, the punt ledge up in, 241 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,790 uh, like, um, up near Campbell River. 242 00:07:59,850 --> 00:08:00,060 Yep. 243 00:08:00,090 --> 00:08:00,990 Fell in love with the place. 244 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:02,070 And he was like, how are we moving? 245 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:02,250 Right. 246 00:08:02,250 --> 00:08:02,820 How are we getting here? 247 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:03,180 Seriously. 248 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:03,600 Yep. 249 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:05,670 And that was, uh, about 18 years ago now. 250 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:05,850 And 251 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,620 how old were you when that move happened? 252 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:09,810 11. And I had never been here. 253 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,350 I had never Were 254 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:13,710 you excited or were you like, I don't want to go, all my friends are over here? 255 00:08:13,950 --> 00:08:16,590 Well, I didn't want to go and I assumed that Canada was flat. 256 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,620 It had Eskimos and igloos and Huskies and that was all I got. 257 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Well, basically does. 258 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:20,940 Right, 259 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:21,210 right. 260 00:08:21,450 --> 00:08:23,310 Basically for anyone outside of Canada. 261 00:08:23,310 --> 00:08:24,240 That's what Canada is, 262 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,350 man, we had no idea. 263 00:08:25,470 --> 00:08:26,280 Dog sleds and, 264 00:08:26,415 --> 00:08:26,705 yeah. 265 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:27,000 Yeah. 266 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,820 We landed on Canada Day 2006 is when we got here. 267 00:08:29,970 --> 00:08:30,540 Cool. 268 00:08:30,630 --> 00:08:30,930 Yep. 269 00:08:31,575 --> 00:08:32,684 And how was that transition? 270 00:08:33,704 --> 00:08:35,444 Um, I mean, it was great, right? 271 00:08:35,534 --> 00:08:38,985 You know, we, we grew up in England, but coming here you've got freedom, right? 272 00:08:38,985 --> 00:08:41,684 You can go and explore the woods, you can go dirt biking whenever you want. 273 00:08:41,684 --> 00:08:43,005 You can go camping wherever you want. 274 00:08:43,005 --> 00:08:44,775 Like, it was just, it was awesome, right? 275 00:08:44,805 --> 00:08:47,235 Everything we'd wanted to do in England and everything we'd wanted to do 276 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:49,005 growing up, we kind of just got to do. 277 00:08:49,005 --> 00:08:49,365 Right. 278 00:08:49,485 --> 00:08:49,545 Yeah. 279 00:08:49,814 --> 00:08:53,084 And my parents always said that like the best mix of South Africa and the 280 00:08:53,084 --> 00:08:54,765 best mix of England is kind of bc 281 00:08:55,275 --> 00:08:58,425 you got the wicked biodiversity, right? 282 00:08:58,425 --> 00:09:01,245 We're like the serenity of the north here in British Columbia. 283 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:01,515 Right. 284 00:09:01,905 --> 00:09:06,495 You know, people do like to complain about the lack of freedom and the, the rules 285 00:09:06,495 --> 00:09:08,295 that are coming down and I, I get it. 286 00:09:08,355 --> 00:09:08,714 Yeah. 287 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:11,895 You know, I understand it, but, you know, comparative to other places, 288 00:09:11,895 --> 00:09:14,505 we still, there's still room for us to be able to do things and 289 00:09:14,505 --> 00:09:15,135 100%. 290 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,565 It's, uh, an interesting one to navigate. 291 00:09:17,625 --> 00:09:20,475 But yeah, it's, um, I think you made a good decision, a 292 00:09:20,475 --> 00:09:21,705 wise choice coming over here. 293 00:09:21,855 --> 00:09:22,155 Yeah. 294 00:09:22,155 --> 00:09:24,645 I mean, I've traveled quite a bit since being here. 295 00:09:24,735 --> 00:09:24,945 Yeah. 296 00:09:24,945 --> 00:09:26,625 And every time I go somewhere, I'm like, oh man, it'd be really 297 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:27,495 cool to live somewhere else. 298 00:09:27,495 --> 00:09:27,675 Right? 299 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:27,710 Mm-hmm. 300 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:30,375 But every time I go somewhere, there's always this long list of pros and cons. 301 00:09:30,375 --> 00:09:30,645 Right. 302 00:09:30,675 --> 00:09:33,015 And it's really hard to beat BC in my opinion. 303 00:09:33,105 --> 00:09:34,965 I really, really, really like it here. 304 00:09:34,995 --> 00:09:36,975 Where's the last few places you've traveled to? 305 00:09:37,755 --> 00:09:39,705 Uh, a couple weeks ago I was down in Arizona. 306 00:09:40,095 --> 00:09:45,555 Um, I mean, I've spent time recently in the uk, uh, been to Italy, France. 307 00:09:45,615 --> 00:09:50,985 Um, I've been kind of all over the western US for a little bit. 308 00:09:51,255 --> 00:09:53,295 Uh, matches have taken me around the world, so. 309 00:09:53,325 --> 00:09:54,585 And that's all for matches? 310 00:09:54,645 --> 00:09:54,945 Oh, yeah. 311 00:09:54,945 --> 00:09:57,045 Most, well, mostly not all of 'em. 312 00:09:57,045 --> 00:09:57,255 Wow. 313 00:09:58,395 --> 00:09:59,475 So, okay. 314 00:09:59,475 --> 00:10:00,795 So you came over here at 11. 315 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:00,990 Mm-hmm. 316 00:10:01,070 --> 00:10:03,230 Then you finish off your schooling. 317 00:10:03,290 --> 00:10:03,510 Yep. 318 00:10:03,825 --> 00:10:06,525 And you've got, do you have a design background or is that something 319 00:10:06,525 --> 00:10:08,035 you learned on the job as you, uh. 320 00:10:08,910 --> 00:10:09,270 Right. 321 00:10:09,270 --> 00:10:09,479 Yeah. 322 00:10:09,479 --> 00:10:13,680 So my dad, even from when I was little, um, he kind of always steered 323 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,510 me towards an engineering degree. 324 00:10:15,510 --> 00:10:17,819 He was kinda like, well, south Africans are either 325 00:10:17,819 --> 00:10:19,050 dentists, doctors, or engineers. 326 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:19,349 Sure. 327 00:10:19,349 --> 00:10:21,060 And I was like, okay, well I'm not really good at like medical 328 00:10:21,060 --> 00:10:23,219 stuff, so that's, maybe that's how I look over at engineering. 329 00:10:23,550 --> 00:10:26,160 And that was always kind of the, the, um, the path. 330 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,719 And he's sort of in a technical sales role. 331 00:10:27,719 --> 00:10:30,540 So he kind of, he kind of structured my path a little bit there. 332 00:10:30,599 --> 00:10:30,870 Okay. 333 00:10:30,930 --> 00:10:33,630 And, um, yeah, I went through school, kind of did all the STEM 334 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:37,079 classes, did all the physics and science and math and all that stuff. 335 00:10:37,079 --> 00:10:38,609 Not that I loved it, but it's what I did. 336 00:10:38,609 --> 00:10:38,699 Sure. 337 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:42,479 And, um, yeah, I went through BCIT here in Burnaby. 338 00:10:42,569 --> 00:10:42,689 Yeah. 339 00:10:42,689 --> 00:10:44,790 I did, uh, mechanical engineering and. 340 00:10:45,585 --> 00:10:47,145 In all honesty, I'm not a great student. 341 00:10:47,235 --> 00:10:48,045 I am, uh, you 342 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:49,420 and me both. 343 00:10:50,445 --> 00:10:54,314 I wish I could do a lot of this over right now and knowing 344 00:10:54,314 --> 00:10:55,785 what I know now, do it again. 345 00:10:55,785 --> 00:10:59,265 But, you know, as 18, 20-year-old, like, I mean, no one could tell you anything. 346 00:10:59,265 --> 00:10:59,564 Right. 347 00:10:59,564 --> 00:10:59,835 So 348 00:11:00,045 --> 00:11:00,495 I hear you. 349 00:11:00,615 --> 00:11:03,705 So did you get a, uh, engineers get that iron ring or something? 350 00:11:03,705 --> 00:11:04,215 Do they or? 351 00:11:04,215 --> 00:11:04,814 Yeah, they do. 352 00:11:04,814 --> 00:11:05,535 And I don't have one. 353 00:11:05,775 --> 00:11:05,925 No, 354 00:11:05,985 --> 00:11:07,395 I am not a true engineer, Travis. 355 00:11:07,395 --> 00:11:08,295 Oh, you never finish it? 356 00:11:08,295 --> 00:11:08,564 No. 357 00:11:08,564 --> 00:11:12,435 So I'm a, I'm a two year diplomat, uh, technologist technically. 358 00:11:12,435 --> 00:11:12,465 Okay. 359 00:11:12,555 --> 00:11:15,555 And, uh, what I like to say is Disney's got Imagine or Yeah, 360 00:11:15,555 --> 00:11:18,495 they've got Imagineers and MDT, we've got Pretensioners and that. 361 00:11:18,495 --> 00:11:18,885 That's me. 362 00:11:19,815 --> 00:11:20,955 I've never heard that one before. 363 00:11:20,955 --> 00:11:21,795 Pre pretend engineer 364 00:11:21,855 --> 00:11:22,785 that, that would be me. 365 00:11:22,785 --> 00:11:23,385 I'm a, yeah. 366 00:11:23,385 --> 00:11:25,935 Two, two year diploma and everything else is just on the job. 367 00:11:26,265 --> 00:11:26,745 I don't know. 368 00:11:26,775 --> 00:11:30,585 I think a lot of people mistake education with intelligence and just 369 00:11:30,585 --> 00:11:33,855 having the right accolades behind your name doesn't necessarily mean 370 00:11:33,855 --> 00:11:35,145 you're the best person for the job. 371 00:11:35,565 --> 00:11:40,605 And that's something that I've noticed at MDT is that they seem to go and 372 00:11:40,605 --> 00:11:42,615 they attract a certain type of person. 373 00:11:42,975 --> 00:11:43,245 Right. 374 00:11:43,245 --> 00:11:46,695 And, and from an outsider looking in, it looks like they're willing to take 375 00:11:46,695 --> 00:11:50,865 a risk on people who look like they'll be a good performer who will fit in 376 00:11:50,865 --> 00:11:55,485 with the team Well, and there seems to be a very big team atmosphere, 377 00:11:55,875 --> 00:11:56,145 right? 378 00:11:56,205 --> 00:11:56,265 No. 379 00:11:56,265 --> 00:11:59,595 Is that, is that in a, a Correct Outsider looking in opinion? 380 00:11:59,685 --> 00:12:00,225 A hundred percent. 381 00:12:00,315 --> 00:12:00,555 Yeah. 382 00:12:00,555 --> 00:12:02,745 No, MDTI mean, it's so cliche, right? 383 00:12:02,745 --> 00:12:05,445 I think every big business says this, but MET is legitimately 384 00:12:05,475 --> 00:12:06,825 extremely people focused. 385 00:12:06,855 --> 00:12:06,945 Mm-hmm. 386 00:12:07,395 --> 00:12:08,085 Everybody says that. 387 00:12:08,085 --> 00:12:08,385 I know. 388 00:12:08,625 --> 00:12:12,555 But I think top down, like, you know, Martin, you know, our ownership Yeah. 389 00:12:12,555 --> 00:12:14,085 You know, our, our management structure. 390 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:19,230 The actual people who run MDT and make the big decisions, MDT are 391 00:12:19,230 --> 00:12:23,430 legitimately really good humans, and they're really people first, right? 392 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:25,620 And they wanna make sure like, yeah, okay, we're making awesome stuff. 393 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:28,500 We make legendary products that we talk about all these core values. 394 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:33,150 But like a really big part of hiring at MDT is, is this person gonna fit in? 395 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:33,240 Right? 396 00:12:33,270 --> 00:12:36,660 Is this person actually part of the, like, will they fit into the company culture? 397 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:39,690 Are they gonna be good for the company and actually, you know, 398 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:42,360 push it further forward because they're interested, they're 399 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,800 excited, they're passionate, right? 400 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:44,550 Yes. 401 00:12:44,550 --> 00:12:46,830 On paper, anyone can be, have an amazing resume. 402 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:50,835 Um, and, you know, that might get them really far in some careers. 403 00:12:50,835 --> 00:12:54,930 Mm. But at MBT, it's like, no, we wanna make sure that the people we hire are 404 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:57,775 honest, solid, like good people mm-hmm. 405 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:00,150 Who are really excited about what they're doing because 406 00:13:00,150 --> 00:13:01,140 they're doing something cool. 407 00:13:01,140 --> 00:13:01,320 Right? 408 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,210 Like, it's a, it's a fun place to work. 409 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:03,450 Right. 410 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:07,230 And if you're kind of losing that, um, that perspective mm-hmm. 411 00:13:07,230 --> 00:13:11,010 And you kind of lose that focus, then you know, you're just there as a job. 412 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:11,190 Right. 413 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:13,080 And it's like you're not gonna be doing your best. 414 00:13:13,455 --> 00:13:15,705 At something, they're just like, ah, I'm just here for a nine to five. 415 00:13:15,705 --> 00:13:15,945 Right. 416 00:13:16,605 --> 00:13:19,755 I remember watching MDT in the very early days. 417 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:19,875 Mm-hmm. 418 00:13:20,115 --> 00:13:24,315 I think it was, um, what was the name, rooster 33 or something. 419 00:13:24,315 --> 00:13:29,655 Lasso Clemente had a, um, uh, a username called like Rooster 33. 420 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:29,900 Right, right. 421 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:30,660 Something like that on 422 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,060 Cgn. 423 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:31,420 Right. 424 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,375 On Canadian gun nuts and, and, uh, you know, talented machinist 425 00:13:36,375 --> 00:13:40,965 and, uh, had this idea, he was trying all these different things. 426 00:13:40,965 --> 00:13:45,405 Actually, he would bring parts and pieces by, in the rental house that I 427 00:13:45,405 --> 00:13:47,265 had in South Surrey White Rock area. 428 00:13:47,415 --> 00:13:47,475 Wow. 429 00:13:47,655 --> 00:13:51,765 Which I was renting because it had a big, it had about a quarter acre there, 430 00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:56,085 but had a big shop on it, and so I, I would do the park rising for him, and so 431 00:13:56,085 --> 00:14:01,365 I watched as the very first iterations, and then when Martin got involved, 432 00:14:01,755 --> 00:14:03,915 holy crow, things just skyrocketed. 433 00:14:03,975 --> 00:14:04,185 Right. 434 00:14:04,185 --> 00:14:04,245 Yeah. 435 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,065 He, he took a good idea and he brought with him his, his background 436 00:14:10,065 --> 00:14:11,420 and his expertise and yeah. 437 00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:16,770 So, um, and it's really interesting watching the progression and then you 438 00:14:16,770 --> 00:14:20,760 guys moved into the States and then you're into a new, more and more states. 439 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,000 And I just got a text from Martin a, uh, a couple of days ago. 440 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,240 I was over in Tuco and, uh, it's got a little bit of a burn. 441 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:27,750 It's, uh 442 00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:27,900 Right. 443 00:14:28,260 --> 00:14:32,610 Kind of, uh, wearing off now, but, um, uh, there's an action 444 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:34,950 company you guys just purchased. 445 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,220 Yep. 446 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:35,819 Yeah. 447 00:14:35,819 --> 00:14:36,510 Lone Peak Arms. 448 00:14:36,540 --> 00:14:38,160 That's a, it's a big one. 449 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,500 We've been kind of quiet about for a little while, while now 450 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:41,819 we're not quiet about it anymore. 451 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:42,240 Mm-hmm. 452 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,850 So we're really, really excited about that, uh, coming online. 453 00:14:44,939 --> 00:14:45,750 No kidding. 454 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:46,020 Yeah. 455 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:50,610 So, I mean, I, I get it from a Canadian perspective, having a, uh, 456 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:55,319 and making an action, making a firearm, something that's gonna be regulated. 457 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:55,560 Yeah. 458 00:14:56,189 --> 00:14:59,370 It doesn't make a lot of sense for most Canadian businesses, but for 459 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:03,510 a company that's multinational and in the states, I totally get it. 460 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Right. 461 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:10,560 I mean, the unregulated pieces as you're starting off, like the chassis and the 462 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,750 scope rails and the rings and all the other stuff, of which I have lots and, and 463 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:20,459 the bags, like you, you guys purchased a, um, a bag company and I mean, I love it. 464 00:15:20,459 --> 00:15:22,380 That's my, my go-to hunting. 465 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:23,490 Super lightweight. 466 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:24,090 Uh right. 467 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:25,380 You got one of your little bags there. 468 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:25,530 Nice. 469 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:26,550 Yeah. 470 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:30,569 How's, how's that gonna change things now for, uh, for MDT? 471 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:33,240 Yeah, and so this is a conversation I've had quite a lot since the 472 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,329 news broke is like, this is, this is a big departure, right? 473 00:15:36,329 --> 00:15:39,270 Like we've gone from being an AC or sorry, an accessories 474 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,520 aftermarket support company, 475 00:15:41,579 --> 00:15:41,850 right. 476 00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:44,040 To now we are a fire manufacturer. 477 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:44,640 Right. 478 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,540 That's, that's huge. 479 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:45,900 Right. 480 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,000 And we have, since I've worked at MDT. 481 00:15:48,375 --> 00:15:52,305 The mandate has been, no, we are not producing firearms. 482 00:15:52,305 --> 00:15:53,204 We're not producing guns. 483 00:15:53,204 --> 00:15:54,435 We're, this is not what we're doing. 484 00:15:54,435 --> 00:15:55,515 We are accessories. 485 00:15:55,814 --> 00:15:58,305 And now we're saying, okay, we'll do both. 486 00:15:58,425 --> 00:15:58,454 Mm. 487 00:15:58,844 --> 00:16:00,104 And that's, uh, that's huge. 488 00:16:00,104 --> 00:16:04,155 That's a massive step, but it really just leads to our growth plans. 489 00:16:04,155 --> 00:16:04,425 Right. 490 00:16:04,425 --> 00:16:08,025 MDT as you know, with Martin, he, like, he's, he doesn't sit still. 491 00:16:08,084 --> 00:16:08,295 Right. 492 00:16:08,385 --> 00:16:09,765 He's always doing something. 493 00:16:09,765 --> 00:16:12,194 I, we've joked recently that, uh, we coined the moniker that 494 00:16:12,194 --> 00:16:16,545 MDT is actually just Martin doing things, which is so true. 495 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:16,849 I love 496 00:16:16,849 --> 00:16:16,930 it. 497 00:16:17,025 --> 00:16:17,775 I gotta use that one. 498 00:16:17,775 --> 00:16:19,064 He's always doing something right. 499 00:16:19,064 --> 00:16:19,155 Sure. 500 00:16:19,155 --> 00:16:21,645 And, and it's one of the things that makes him so great, I think, at what he does. 501 00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:21,660 Mm-hmm. 502 00:16:21,974 --> 00:16:26,714 And, um, yeah, this is now going to help us grow into different markets, 503 00:16:26,714 --> 00:16:29,745 into different subsections and it'll help us achieve different things that 504 00:16:29,745 --> 00:16:31,094 we've just never been able to do before. 505 00:16:31,094 --> 00:16:32,714 And I think it's really exciting. 506 00:16:32,805 --> 00:16:34,995 Um, and Loan Peak is an awesome company, right? 507 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:37,484 We've been working for them or with them for years, not four of them. 508 00:16:38,115 --> 00:16:40,875 Um, uh, great guys, really good ownership. 509 00:16:40,905 --> 00:16:43,995 They've got, again, owned by like really solid good dudes, right? 510 00:16:43,995 --> 00:16:44,805 They're part of the community. 511 00:16:44,805 --> 00:16:46,545 They're out at matches, they're supporting shooters. 512 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:49,290 You know, there's a fairly big team down there, right? 513 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:50,280 They've got a machine shop. 514 00:16:50,339 --> 00:16:53,459 Um, it's, uh, it is a, a big step for us. 515 00:16:53,579 --> 00:16:56,130 Well, that seems to be part of the whole MDT ethos as well. 516 00:16:56,189 --> 00:16:56,280 Mm-hmm. 517 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,339 Is we don't just say we do. 518 00:16:59,339 --> 00:16:59,430 Right. 519 00:16:59,490 --> 00:17:01,770 We don't just, we put our money where our mouth is. 520 00:17:01,775 --> 00:17:01,885 Right. 521 00:17:01,885 --> 00:17:03,930 And a lot of your people, you're out there at the matches. 522 00:17:03,930 --> 00:17:06,270 You're out there at all the matches, you're directing the matches. 523 00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:06,359 Right. 524 00:17:07,109 --> 00:17:09,480 Um, that's, that's interesting. 525 00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:13,500 Like, that's a, you know, everyone says don't make your passion your job. 526 00:17:13,504 --> 00:17:13,805 Right, 527 00:17:14,045 --> 00:17:14,284 right, 528 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:14,879 right. 529 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:18,839 Um, but somehow it seems to be working over here, 530 00:17:19,345 --> 00:17:21,569 you, you have to be so careful, right? 531 00:17:21,569 --> 00:17:21,579 Mm-hmm. 532 00:17:21,609 --> 00:17:24,629 And I talk to this, I talk about this with people in the industry quite a lot, right? 533 00:17:24,629 --> 00:17:27,030 Because yeah, don't make your passion your job. 534 00:17:27,030 --> 00:17:30,840 Don't make your hobby, your job unless you really are kind of crazy. 535 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:32,129 Um, sure. 536 00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:36,690 In which case do it, but be careful, like where do those lines start and stop. 537 00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:36,960 Right? 538 00:17:36,965 --> 00:17:37,045 Right. 539 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:39,690 And you have to be so, like, personally. 540 00:17:40,110 --> 00:17:43,830 For me, when I go home, I don't listen to anything. 541 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:45,210 PRSI don't look at anything. 542 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:47,700 PSI, like, I just completely dissociate, right? 543 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:53,580 My social media is just wall to wall guns, uh, but likers and like pistols 544 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:57,510 and something completely different, uh, trucks and just like outdoor stuff, right? 545 00:17:57,510 --> 00:18:01,080 It's like I don't even want to think about PRS when I'm not actually at work and when 546 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,070 I'm in a match or something like that. 547 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:02,280 Right? 548 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,030 You have to be, you have to really draw that line and say, where is, 549 00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:07,320 where does this start and stop, right? 550 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,500 Because if you don't, then your life becomes just your job. 551 00:18:10,770 --> 00:18:11,264 Yeah, I 552 00:18:11,295 --> 00:18:11,665 hear you. 553 00:18:11,665 --> 00:18:12,810 And then that's hugely problematic. 554 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:13,590 Yeah. 555 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:14,340 I know what that's like. 556 00:18:14,399 --> 00:18:14,670 Yeah. 557 00:18:14,730 --> 00:18:18,240 When that's all you do, you, you're dreaming, you're sleep and you wake up, 558 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,670 you have ideas that you're dreaming about. 559 00:18:20,940 --> 00:18:21,690 It's, yeah. 560 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,210 No, you need to have, you need to have those boundaries. 561 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:24,810 It's important. 562 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:25,350 Exactly. 563 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:29,760 Um, and that's a, a really good segue to something else, but I think 564 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,620 we're going to hold off on that one. 565 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:31,980 Okay. 566 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:32,670 Um. 567 00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:35,445 Uh, but I do wanna talk about PRS. 568 00:18:35,475 --> 00:18:35,534 Yeah. 569 00:18:35,534 --> 00:18:40,604 So did you try any other sort of like IPSec or PPC or pistol shooting 570 00:18:40,604 --> 00:18:46,245 com competitive stuff or, uh, um, uh, multi gun, or have, have you 571 00:18:46,245 --> 00:18:47,834 tried any of these other sports? 572 00:18:48,195 --> 00:18:51,524 I've done a little bit of, uh, like tactical pistol. 573 00:18:51,524 --> 00:18:54,165 I've done a little bit of other type of shooting disciplines, but 574 00:18:54,165 --> 00:18:56,475 what actually got me into this, believe it or not, was archery. 575 00:18:56,955 --> 00:18:57,225 Okay. 576 00:18:57,284 --> 00:19:00,254 Um, yeah, I started shooting, shooting archery, uh, years ago. 577 00:19:00,254 --> 00:19:04,695 My dad and I took a course over here in, uh, Burnaby at a local, uh, bow shop. 578 00:19:04,814 --> 00:19:05,354 And Is that 579 00:19:05,475 --> 00:19:05,745 Bowman? 580 00:19:05,804 --> 00:19:06,044 Yep. 581 00:19:06,165 --> 00:19:06,344 Yeah. 582 00:19:06,435 --> 00:19:06,495 Okay. 583 00:19:06,495 --> 00:19:08,385 Boman Archery down in the basement there. 584 00:19:08,445 --> 00:19:08,504 Yeah. 585 00:19:08,534 --> 00:19:11,445 Um, we took a course down there with them years, probably, man, this 586 00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:13,364 would've been 2012 or something. 587 00:19:13,364 --> 00:19:15,975 2011 we took a course and, um. 588 00:19:16,515 --> 00:19:17,115 We got hooked. 589 00:19:17,145 --> 00:19:17,685 We loved it. 590 00:19:17,715 --> 00:19:17,775 Yeah. 591 00:19:17,775 --> 00:19:18,495 We thought it was awesome. 592 00:19:18,495 --> 00:19:20,385 And he was so, I don't know where this came from. 593 00:19:20,385 --> 00:19:23,325 He has like a DD, it was just like random hobbies all over the map. 594 00:19:23,325 --> 00:19:23,595 Right. 595 00:19:23,715 --> 00:19:25,965 So he went out and immediately bought the first compound he could 596 00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:27,975 find and he got so super into it. 597 00:19:28,065 --> 00:19:29,805 And then that kind of rest was history, right? 598 00:19:29,805 --> 00:19:33,015 We went out and shot, uh, 3D competitions up here at Ridgedale and 599 00:19:33,015 --> 00:19:36,975 we shot a couple different flatland, ones shot down in Twas a bunch, uh, 600 00:19:36,975 --> 00:19:38,445 or sorry, down here in South Surrey. 601 00:19:38,475 --> 00:19:38,715 Yeah. 602 00:19:38,715 --> 00:19:42,735 Um, yeah, we, we got really into archery and then I went to go 603 00:19:42,735 --> 00:19:46,605 work at a, at an outdoor store in Langley, uh, wholesale sports as the 604 00:19:46,605 --> 00:19:48,555 archery, uh, like bow counter guy. 605 00:19:48,675 --> 00:19:49,095 Okay. 606 00:19:49,095 --> 00:19:51,255 And I ended up becoming competition to boman archery 607 00:19:51,255 --> 00:19:52,185 actually at the end of the day. 608 00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:52,605 Really? 609 00:19:52,605 --> 00:19:55,875 But, um, yeah, I mean a lot of people would come and see me and need Bowry 610 00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:59,145 strung or stuff rebuilt and I got really into it and like super tech nerd. 611 00:19:59,145 --> 00:19:59,370 Right, right. 612 00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:02,205 Like, I wanted to learn everything about the bow and how it worked and how to, you 613 00:20:02,205 --> 00:20:03,585 know, rebuild these things from scratch. 614 00:20:03,975 --> 00:20:07,305 And, um, yeah, archery is really what got got me into it. 615 00:20:07,335 --> 00:20:10,815 And I was at the archery counter one day and at one point I was managing both 616 00:20:10,815 --> 00:20:12,615 archery and the gun counter at wholesale. 617 00:20:12,885 --> 00:20:14,715 And I had a guy come up to me, his name was Paul. 618 00:20:15,495 --> 00:20:17,115 And he was like, Hey, I'm looking for prizes. 619 00:20:17,115 --> 00:20:18,795 We're running this match out here in Chillowak. 620 00:20:19,125 --> 00:20:21,015 Um, you guys be interested in donating some stuff. 621 00:20:21,015 --> 00:20:22,185 I'm like, oh yeah, let me talk to Richard. 622 00:20:22,185 --> 00:20:22,725 We'll figure it out. 623 00:20:22,725 --> 00:20:23,385 We'll see what we can do. 624 00:20:23,865 --> 00:20:26,955 And um, and then he was like, well, do you wanna come and shoot it? 625 00:20:26,985 --> 00:20:27,795 I was like, wow. 626 00:20:27,795 --> 00:20:30,225 I've got like a 2 0 4 Ruger like ING gun. 627 00:20:30,225 --> 00:20:31,305 Like what am I gonna do with that? 628 00:20:31,305 --> 00:20:32,175 He's like, oh, just show up. 629 00:20:32,175 --> 00:20:32,325 Right. 630 00:20:32,325 --> 00:20:32,805 You'll be fun. 631 00:20:32,805 --> 00:20:33,345 Don't worry about it. 632 00:20:33,345 --> 00:20:34,935 Just bring a partner and you guys will figure it out. 633 00:20:35,475 --> 00:20:40,245 And that's exactly what happened actually, is I, um, had no 634 00:20:40,245 --> 00:20:41,685 idea what the heck I was doing. 635 00:20:42,045 --> 00:20:46,725 I was a left-handed shooter, shooting a blind magazine, 2 0 4 Ruger with four 636 00:20:46,725 --> 00:20:48,585 rounds with a fixed 10 power on it. 637 00:20:48,585 --> 00:20:51,105 And my buddy, uh, Mike, you probably met him. 638 00:20:51,105 --> 00:20:52,185 Big Sasquatch looking guy. 639 00:20:52,185 --> 00:20:52,465 Yeah, yeah. 640 00:20:52,635 --> 00:20:55,875 Uh, he and I went out and he shot his venerable old 2, 2 3. 641 00:20:55,875 --> 00:20:58,155 And we had literally no idea what we were doing. 642 00:20:58,935 --> 00:20:59,565 And how'd you do? 643 00:20:59,595 --> 00:21:00,135 Terrible. 644 00:21:00,165 --> 00:21:00,465 Yeah. 645 00:21:00,465 --> 00:21:02,055 Uh, but the rest was history. 646 00:21:02,055 --> 00:21:03,345 I mean, I fell in love with it. 647 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:05,295 I was like, I can't keep doing this crap. 648 00:21:05,625 --> 00:21:07,575 So what is it that made you fall in love with it? 649 00:21:09,135 --> 00:21:12,495 The competitive aspect and hitting stuff at distance? 650 00:21:12,585 --> 00:21:12,825 Mm. 651 00:21:12,885 --> 00:21:13,395 I was like. 652 00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:16,650 I don't know how I did this bad. 653 00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:18,060 Well, I did know how I did this bad. 654 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:20,520 The gun was, the gun was not set up for this. 655 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:20,610 Sure. 656 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:21,840 And I had no idea what I was doing. 657 00:21:21,870 --> 00:21:25,350 And then I was like, okay, well people are obviously hitting 658 00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:27,420 stuff consistently at 600 meters. 659 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:27,810 Hmm. 660 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,680 How do I do that? 661 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:28,860 Right. 662 00:21:28,860 --> 00:21:30,090 What do I need to do to do that? 663 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,360 And I think this is a really interesting point at the very beginning of 664 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,400 a lot of people's like precision rifle journey is they try it. 665 00:21:36,975 --> 00:21:38,235 They don't understand it. 666 00:21:38,805 --> 00:21:41,475 And then for some people it's like, well, I have to understand it. 667 00:21:41,475 --> 00:21:42,645 I have to figure this out. 668 00:21:42,645 --> 00:21:43,784 And others are just like, I don't really care. 669 00:21:43,784 --> 00:21:45,195 I'm gonna go back to shooting trash for 20 yards. 670 00:21:45,195 --> 00:21:45,435 Right. 671 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:45,879 I hear you. 672 00:21:45,915 --> 00:21:49,125 And it's, it's a really interesting, like divergence with people where some people 673 00:21:49,125 --> 00:21:50,955 are like, I have to figure this out. 674 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,200 Right. 675 00:21:51,405 --> 00:21:53,565 And then they just chase it like it's a rabbit hole and others 676 00:21:53,565 --> 00:21:54,524 are just like, I do not care. 677 00:21:54,585 --> 00:21:55,215 I just, whatever. 678 00:21:55,215 --> 00:21:55,605 Who cares? 679 00:21:55,965 --> 00:21:56,205 Yeah. 680 00:21:56,205 --> 00:22:00,945 You know, I remember shooting the, uh, British Columbia Sniper match and I 681 00:22:00,945 --> 00:22:02,745 was, I think in my early twenties and 682 00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:02,960 Right. 683 00:22:03,254 --> 00:22:04,754 I got my first 3 0 8. 684 00:22:04,754 --> 00:22:07,395 It was, I got it from a gun show in Cam Loops. 685 00:22:07,395 --> 00:22:07,455 Yeah. 686 00:22:07,455 --> 00:22:11,835 And it was an old, I think it was a P 17 action and it didn't go bang. 687 00:22:11,985 --> 00:22:12,195 Right. 688 00:22:12,195 --> 00:22:17,625 But it had a great big clunky home homebrew stalk that looked like the 689 00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:20,065 person maybe had tried to ize it. 690 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,524 'cause it had JV weld and, and it had a big thick aftermarket barrel on him. 691 00:22:24,524 --> 00:22:27,794 Like, oh, that barrels, I have no idea who made the thing, but if I can get this 692 00:22:27,794 --> 00:22:30,225 thing shooting then, then we'll be okay. 693 00:22:30,555 --> 00:22:34,605 So I went out to, uh, the reins, but Headspace the whole thing up. 694 00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:35,985 'cause it wasn't Headspace straight. 695 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:36,200 Right. 696 00:22:36,899 --> 00:22:40,080 Fix, fix it up till it, it would go shooting a few days before the match 697 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,240 went up to the ranges and mission there to try and get it all cited in with, um, 698 00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:51,720 Weaver rings and bass and then Bushnell, uh, Bushnell banner, I think it was. 699 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,450 Uh, but it had male dots on, on this thing and so that was cool. 700 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:54,570 Yep. 701 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,330 It really, that was, that was gonna make or break it for me. 702 00:22:58,020 --> 00:23:00,870 And this guy, ed Big comes over and he's like, Trav just, 703 00:23:00,870 --> 00:23:01,560 I know Ed. 704 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:01,980 Yeah. 705 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,250 Yep. 706 00:23:02,524 --> 00:23:06,480 Um, use, uh, I got this accuracy International, you should 707 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,409 just use it for the match. 708 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:15,420 I'm like, ed, like if I've never dropped a gun before, but if I put a scratch in this 709 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:16,830 thing, there's no way I could afford it. 710 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:18,330 This gun cost me a hundred dollars. 711 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:20,610 I gotta go and bang. 712 00:23:20,639 --> 00:23:21,000 Yep. 713 00:23:21,690 --> 00:23:22,620 I'm gonna use my gun. 714 00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:23,370 Thanks very much. 715 00:23:23,370 --> 00:23:24,420 I appreciate the offer. 716 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:26,370 He is like, Hey, whatever offer's on the table. 717 00:23:26,370 --> 00:23:26,580 Right? 718 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:26,639 Yeah. 719 00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:28,800 And I thought, okay, well I was really kind of him, right? 720 00:23:28,889 --> 00:23:29,070 Yeah. 721 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:30,870 And then went in and shot the match and. 722 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:33,300 The same sort of thing from everybody else. 723 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:36,030 I mean, it was very different and I actually did well, 724 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:37,260 I did well on that match. 725 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:37,770 That's awesome. 726 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:39,240 Which was, which was surprising, right. 727 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:43,890 Um, I think it was second place out of civilian shooters and Wow. 728 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:44,700 Yeah. 729 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:48,870 It wasn't too bad, um, for just getting the thing going. 730 00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:52,050 And I found a couple things. 731 00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:57,300 Number one, the, the mindset, the, the mental, you know what, I forget it. 732 00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:58,410 I can do this right. 733 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,030 And, and just keep plugging in. 734 00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:04,290 That, that data, uh, helped me a lot because I could see other people who 735 00:24:04,290 --> 00:24:07,800 were, they had good rigs in their well accomplished in their practice, but 736 00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:10,230 you could see them beating themselves up at every shot that they missed. 737 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:14,040 And I'm like, I'm, I, I had, what do they call that, sports 738 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,050 Illustrated complex like, um. 739 00:24:16,665 --> 00:24:18,525 Or sorry, the Sports Illustrated curse. 740 00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:20,955 Oh, it's like you're on the cover of Sports Illustrated. 741 00:24:21,315 --> 00:24:21,585 Right. 742 00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:22,245 That's a curse. 743 00:24:22,245 --> 00:24:23,055 You're gonna do poorly. 744 00:24:23,055 --> 00:24:23,865 Well, of course you are. 745 00:24:23,865 --> 00:24:25,725 I mean, if you're on the cover, you're at the pinnacle. 746 00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:27,375 There's only one place for you to go is down. 747 00:24:27,465 --> 00:24:27,615 Right. 748 00:24:27,615 --> 00:24:28,695 I was at the dead bottom. 749 00:24:28,695 --> 00:24:29,125 Right, right. 750 00:24:29,175 --> 00:24:31,875 I'd never competed before, like the pressure just wasn't there. 751 00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:32,205 Right. 752 00:24:32,205 --> 00:24:32,215 Yep. 753 00:24:32,385 --> 00:24:34,845 I had this, it never was looking at my gut and laughing. 754 00:24:34,845 --> 00:24:35,235 Right. 755 00:24:35,625 --> 00:24:38,475 And all of a sudden that was a huge helpful thing. 756 00:24:38,505 --> 00:24:41,970 The other thing I noticed was the type of per competitor that they had there. 757 00:24:41,970 --> 00:24:42,210 Mm-hmm. 758 00:24:42,525 --> 00:24:43,515 Here use my kit. 759 00:24:43,575 --> 00:24:44,535 Oh, you don't need this here. 760 00:24:44,715 --> 00:24:48,405 Uh, you, you should try holding a little bit this on, on this moving target. 761 00:24:48,555 --> 00:24:49,665 I'm like, we're competitors. 762 00:24:49,665 --> 00:24:50,445 But yeah. 763 00:24:50,445 --> 00:24:53,655 This is very different from let's say an IP SIC match or Yeah. 764 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:58,815 Where it's one by people knowing the rule book and people zipper up. 765 00:24:58,815 --> 00:25:01,485 Like I found it very welcoming. 766 00:25:01,905 --> 00:25:02,265 Yeah. 767 00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:05,415 And, and of course now PRS is out there and it's the same type of 768 00:25:05,415 --> 00:25:07,185 person they're doing these matches. 769 00:25:07,305 --> 00:25:07,425 Yep. 770 00:25:07,455 --> 00:25:10,695 Very welcoming and ego. 771 00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:12,780 I like, I, I don't know. 772 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:16,560 I'm, I'm sure people come in with ego, but by and large I see it left at the door 773 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:17,730 typically. 774 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:18,030 Yeah. 775 00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:21,810 I mean, uh, we were just shooting down two weekends ago in Arizona and one of the, 776 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,020 the team MDT shooters I was shooting with, his name is Patty Youngs Awesome dude. 777 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:25,410 Yeah. 778 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:28,050 Um, we were out having dinner one night and he's just like, he said 779 00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:28,920 something that really stuck with me. 780 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,710 He was like, all problems, eventually have a way of working themselves out. 781 00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:32,160 Mm. 782 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:33,630 And we were talking about something completely different, 783 00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:34,800 but it's so true, right? 784 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,890 It's, and yes, problematic people in this community kind of just 785 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:39,000 work themselves out, right? 786 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,050 People who get caught cheating. 787 00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:43,710 People who are just terrible to be around people who, um, yeah. 788 00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:46,620 Have just a big ego and like, you don't want to hang out with them, right? 789 00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:46,630 Mm-hmm. 790 00:25:46,735 --> 00:25:49,140 I think when you're at the pinnacle and you're, you know, squad one 791 00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:51,060 at the finale and you're trying to win the whole thing, yeah. 792 00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:52,080 You've gotta have an ego. 793 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,810 You have to be there with the confidence that you're trying to win. 794 00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:55,170 Yeah. 795 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:58,740 But the other 99.9% of us, it's a fun time, right? 796 00:25:58,900 --> 00:25:59,850 It's gotta be a hobby. 797 00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:03,840 It has to be a good time and yeah, it's, it's a really weird individual sport. 798 00:26:04,199 --> 00:26:05,370 That is community based. 799 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:06,600 Yeah. 800 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:08,730 And you know, that's, that's a good way of putting it too. 801 00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:08,909 Yeah. 802 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,980 Because gun owners are individuals at heart. 803 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,340 Right. 804 00:26:11,429 --> 00:26:11,790 Right. 805 00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,730 And it, there are social aspects. 806 00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:17,129 Like if you're a shotgun gunner, that's a pretty social sport, right? 807 00:26:17,129 --> 00:26:17,220 Yep. 808 00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:20,370 Go shoot sporting clays and everyone's yapping in between. 809 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:25,800 And like precision rifle shooting, um, what you get in your bubble. 810 00:26:25,889 --> 00:26:26,189 Yeah. 811 00:26:26,189 --> 00:26:26,580 Right. 812 00:26:26,580 --> 00:26:28,470 Had Charles cock talking about that. 813 00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:29,084 Right, right. 814 00:26:29,189 --> 00:26:32,939 Like you are in your own little world and you're zoning everything else out. 815 00:26:32,939 --> 00:26:37,230 And it's probably at the far extreme of the individual side. 816 00:26:37,235 --> 00:26:37,245 Right. 817 00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:42,135 But for some reason there's a, um, uh, there's an openness to the people 818 00:26:42,135 --> 00:26:43,605 that are in there, which is what Yeah. 819 00:26:43,605 --> 00:26:46,605 Draws me back for the few matches that I've ever done. 820 00:26:46,754 --> 00:26:50,475 Yeah, no, it's, it's a really weird little niche community, right? 821 00:26:50,685 --> 00:26:52,814 Mm. And everybody in it has a very similar mindset. 822 00:26:52,814 --> 00:26:56,534 Like I think Gunner in general have a si mostly similar mindset, but like 823 00:26:56,534 --> 00:27:02,024 PRS it draws a very specific individual who's like a weird gear math nerd. 824 00:27:02,085 --> 00:27:02,385 Yeah. 825 00:27:02,504 --> 00:27:04,304 But also just kinda wants to hang out with their buddies in 826 00:27:04,304 --> 00:27:06,764 the woods and is definitely like a little bit autistic for sure. 827 00:27:06,764 --> 00:27:06,885 Right. 828 00:27:07,575 --> 00:27:07,585 Totally. 829 00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:08,115 Totally. 830 00:27:08,115 --> 00:27:09,075 Just a touch of theism. 831 00:27:09,075 --> 00:27:09,254 Yeah. 832 00:27:09,254 --> 00:27:10,395 You gotta have a touch of it, right? 833 00:27:10,725 --> 00:27:12,975 I mean, we're all just kind of weird, but like we enjoy hanging out 834 00:27:12,975 --> 00:27:15,314 with each other and I think that's what keeps drawing everyone back. 835 00:27:15,314 --> 00:27:15,554 Right? 836 00:27:15,764 --> 00:27:18,254 Because I was talking to, to Chad Heckler down in Texas as well, 837 00:27:18,254 --> 00:27:20,175 who, I mean, Chad is an extremely accomplished shooter, right? 838 00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:22,095 Mm. He was won the, uh, ag Cup. 839 00:27:22,095 --> 00:27:24,314 He is the World Champion 3 0 8 shooter right now. 840 00:27:24,314 --> 00:27:25,185 Like amazing dude. 841 00:27:25,215 --> 00:27:29,205 And he was like, we just keep doing the same thing every time. 842 00:27:30,075 --> 00:27:31,395 He's like, we go to these matches. 843 00:27:31,754 --> 00:27:34,575 We fly there, we all hang out On Friday, we kind of talk a little bit. 844 00:27:34,575 --> 00:27:36,525 We shoot two days, we're upset at ourselves and we leave. 845 00:27:36,525 --> 00:27:37,605 And then we just do it again. 846 00:27:37,815 --> 00:27:38,325 Yeah. 847 00:27:38,745 --> 00:27:41,655 But there's something nice to the regularity of all of that, right? 848 00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:41,665 Sure. 849 00:27:41,715 --> 00:27:44,084 Yeah, but like, we keep, I mean, it's kind of insanity, right? 850 00:27:44,084 --> 00:27:46,455 We keep expecting different results or we keep training for something 851 00:27:46,455 --> 00:27:48,524 a little bit different or trying something a little bit different. 852 00:27:48,915 --> 00:27:53,504 Like it's definitely, uh, it, it attracts a funny, a funny group of 853 00:27:53,504 --> 00:27:54,915 people, but definitely a good group. 854 00:27:55,004 --> 00:27:55,544 I hear you. 855 00:27:55,605 --> 00:27:56,024 I hear you. 856 00:27:56,024 --> 00:27:56,115 Yeah. 857 00:27:56,534 --> 00:28:00,495 So how much of preparation for this is mental for you and how 858 00:28:00,495 --> 00:28:03,074 much is actual going out there and putting round sound range? 859 00:28:03,405 --> 00:28:04,605 Almost all of it's mental now. 860 00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:04,879 Yeah, 861 00:28:04,885 --> 00:28:05,115 yeah. 862 00:28:05,205 --> 00:28:10,635 So, so little of it, in my opinion now is actually the, the reloading, 863 00:28:10,635 --> 00:28:13,334 the practice, the, um, training. 864 00:28:13,635 --> 00:28:16,185 It's, I'm at that like 10,000 hour mark, right? 865 00:28:16,185 --> 00:28:19,034 Like, I've done this so many times that most of it I'm not 866 00:28:19,034 --> 00:28:20,145 even thinking about, right? 867 00:28:20,205 --> 00:28:20,385 Mm-hmm. 868 00:28:20,415 --> 00:28:23,264 And I remember early days and he's been a, he's been a guest. 869 00:28:23,264 --> 00:28:24,615 Your podcast where Ryan, Stacy told me Oh 870 00:28:24,615 --> 00:28:24,824 yeah. 871 00:28:24,885 --> 00:28:26,715 Like the whole subconscious thought, right? 872 00:28:26,834 --> 00:28:26,925 Mm-hmm. 873 00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:29,385 And Keith and Linder talk about this, and, you know, there's a 874 00:28:29,385 --> 00:28:32,145 lot of really good, uh, examples of, of just like subconscious. 875 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:33,510 Constant repetition. 876 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:33,810 Right. 877 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,630 And I didn't really get it at the time, and I was like, okay. 878 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:37,770 Yeah, no, I kind of understand Nick. 879 00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:40,710 Now I'm at that point where I'm just like, I seriously could not tell 880 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:41,730 you what I'm doing with my hands. 881 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:43,170 Like I, they're just doing something. 882 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:43,560 Yeah. 883 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,710 I think, uh, you know, talk with Ryan about that. 884 00:28:46,715 --> 00:28:50,010 The, the way that he said it that really made it sink into 885 00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:51,690 me was like, you drove here. 886 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:52,020 Right? 887 00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:52,260 Right. 888 00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:52,650 Oh, yeah. 889 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:56,190 Like when you first started driving, you're thinking about everything. 890 00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,380 You're thinking about the pressure of the brake, your hands on the 891 00:28:58,380 --> 00:29:01,050 wheel, and what the person on the left and the right's doing. 892 00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:04,110 Like, did you think about all of that stuff as you drove in? 893 00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:04,710 No. 894 00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:06,810 Because you're doing it subconsciously. 895 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:09,210 You've done it enough that all of that subconscious and now your 896 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:10,500 mind can be on different things. 897 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:10,950 Right. 898 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:11,610 Okay. 899 00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:12,000 Yeah. 900 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,540 Got it. 901 00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:13,410 That makes sense. 902 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:13,860 Yeah. 903 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:14,310 Yeah. 904 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:18,180 I know, um, on the Modern Day Sniper podcast a couple years ago, they had 905 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:22,920 a really good, uh, walkthrough of things where they said, you've got, uh. 906 00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:25,350 Conscious incompetency. 907 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:25,890 Right. 908 00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:28,410 Which is like you don't know what's going on and you don't know why. 909 00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:28,950 Yes. 910 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:29,070 Right. 911 00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:31,200 That's where you start and it's like, okay, I'm gonna try and figure this out. 912 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,470 Right? 913 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:31,650 Yeah. 914 00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:33,660 Then you've got this conscious competency where it's like, okay, 915 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:34,800 I'm really thinking about it now. 916 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,880 I've kind of got it right now. 917 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,910 I'm like, okay, this is starting to piece together, but I still don't really 918 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:40,320 fully understand why I'm doing this. 919 00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:40,590 Yeah. 920 00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:42,930 And then you kind of switch into your subconscious, right? 921 00:29:42,935 --> 00:29:43,045 Mm-hmm. 922 00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:45,840 So like once you've built that up, when you're not having to think about it, but 923 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,260 then you go to subconscious incompetency and say, okay, well I'm not thinking 924 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:50,640 about it, but I'm still doing it wrong. 925 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,840 For some reason to switch back. 926 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:51,990 Right? 927 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:54,390 And you kinda get in that weird, weird middle ground and eventually, 928 00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:56,640 once you get so good at doing something, it becomes second nature. 929 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,270 Then you've got that subconscious competency, and that's really the pinnacle 930 00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:01,710 of what we're all trying to achieve. 931 00:30:01,710 --> 00:30:01,950 Sure. 932 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:03,210 With basically all of it, right? 933 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:03,900 Sure. 934 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,670 Until you get to wind reading and then that messes you up. 935 00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:07,620 Tell me about it. 936 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:07,800 Yeah. 937 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,190 Wind. 938 00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:11,370 I don't know if I'm ever gonna be a, a master wind reader at any. 939 00:30:11,695 --> 00:30:14,034 Like sometimes I look and I read it and I get it right. 940 00:30:14,034 --> 00:30:16,735 Other times I look and I think I'm bang on and it's so off. 941 00:30:17,034 --> 00:30:17,245 Yeah. 942 00:30:17,274 --> 00:30:20,034 Wind is the great equalizer and I think it always will be. 943 00:30:20,034 --> 00:30:20,274 Right. 944 00:30:20,274 --> 00:30:20,574 Yeah. 945 00:30:20,665 --> 00:30:23,034 I will say the biggest thing for reading wind is just watch a ton 946 00:30:23,034 --> 00:30:23,935 of other people shooting the wind. 947 00:30:25,044 --> 00:30:26,455 Hopeful if you have that luxury 948 00:30:26,485 --> 00:30:26,784 Exactly. 949 00:30:26,784 --> 00:30:28,675 On the match of watching the other people like, alright, 950 00:30:28,675 --> 00:30:29,395 this is where're gonna hold. 951 00:30:29,574 --> 00:30:33,054 Well that, or just like I've, I've taken so many new shooters out into, 952 00:30:33,085 --> 00:30:34,405 you know, areas that I know really well. 953 00:30:34,405 --> 00:30:35,784 I know what the wind's gonna be doing there. 954 00:30:35,784 --> 00:30:38,155 I know I've seen the wind currents enough and you just watch them 955 00:30:38,155 --> 00:30:39,655 put millions of rounds down range. 956 00:30:39,655 --> 00:30:40,675 Just like, okay, cool. 957 00:30:40,705 --> 00:30:43,195 Now I can kind of see what to look for. 958 00:30:43,195 --> 00:30:43,495 Right. 959 00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:46,260 But that's a little, uh, little tidbit right there. 960 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:48,360 If you ever get the chance to just go watch a bunch of people shoot 961 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,740 rounds, down range, go do that. 962 00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:54,810 So barriers to entry, people are gonna look at this and say, holy crow. 963 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:54,990 Yep. 964 00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:56,190 Look at how much gear. 965 00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:56,550 Yeah. 966 00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:58,320 Look at how expensive this is. 967 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:58,710 Right. 968 00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,160 And to that, I would say yes, it's expensive. 969 00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:02,430 Yeah. 970 00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:04,920 But it doesn't have to be, you don't have to start there. 971 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,350 I mean, with those PRS 22 matches. 972 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:07,440 Yeah. 973 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,600 You go with, uh, a TKA 22, a lot of different aftermarket accessories. 974 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,160 I think MBT makes some stuff. 975 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:14,640 Yep. 976 00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:19,920 Um, and um, you can find something that's inexpensive and you can 977 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800 start building up more and more if you wanna rebar the thing. 978 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,230 I mean, Ryan, I, BI over there. 979 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:25,500 Right? 980 00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:25,890 Yeah. 981 00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:26,205 Um. 982 00:31:27,345 --> 00:31:30,765 And you can do it little by little, but I think the other big 983 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:33,405 barrier to entry would be fear. 984 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:33,790 Yeah. 985 00:31:33,795 --> 00:31:34,035 Yeah. 986 00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:34,485 Right. 987 00:31:34,605 --> 00:31:37,935 People come in and they, they don't wanna look stupid. 988 00:31:38,085 --> 00:31:38,355 Right. 989 00:31:38,385 --> 00:31:39,795 They don't know what to expect. 990 00:31:39,795 --> 00:31:42,105 They don't, why am I gonna put myself in this? 991 00:31:42,285 --> 00:31:44,595 I'm gonna quote air quotes competition. 992 00:31:44,595 --> 00:31:47,145 And when I say competition, like yeah, it's a competition 993 00:31:47,145 --> 00:31:48,255 and people take it seriously. 994 00:31:48,495 --> 00:31:51,375 But in the same breath, there's people that go out there and they've got 995 00:31:51,375 --> 00:31:53,865 all the gear, and they got all this stuff, and they consistently rank 996 00:31:53,865 --> 00:31:57,315 in the middle to low area because they just out there having fun. 997 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:57,470 Right. 998 00:31:57,475 --> 00:31:57,765 Right. 999 00:31:57,765 --> 00:31:58,125 They just wanna 1000 00:31:58,125 --> 00:31:58,875 hang out with their buddies. 1001 00:31:58,875 --> 00:31:58,995 Right. 1002 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,465 They just wanna hang out with their buddies. 1003 00:32:00,465 --> 00:32:00,735 Right. 1004 00:32:01,245 --> 00:32:05,085 And it, it's, it's not competitive in that way. 1005 00:32:05,085 --> 00:32:08,655 And even the top competitors like yourself and like Ryan, like others 1006 00:32:08,655 --> 00:32:11,085 out there, they're like, oh, you should, you wanna try my gun? 1007 00:32:11,085 --> 00:32:13,065 Or Here here's a wind reading or Right. 1008 00:32:13,095 --> 00:32:14,115 Have you tried this? 1009 00:32:14,505 --> 00:32:18,255 Um, but from the training side mm-hmm. 1010 00:32:18,495 --> 00:32:20,355 For somebody who wants to feel comfortable. 1011 00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:22,500 What options does somebody have? 1012 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:23,490 Great segue, Travis. 1013 00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:24,270 I'm happy you brought that up. 1014 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,540 Yeah, and so in all honesty, I started the B-C-P-R-L in 2018 and uh, that 1015 00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:33,510 was born out of me shooting matches and traveling to shoot matches. 1016 00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:35,970 And I was like, well, why aren't we doing this in bc? I bet you we could 1017 00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:38,490 do this in BC and it's grown, right? 1018 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:39,540 And it's been amazing. 1019 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:40,800 It's been such a fun journey. 1020 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,270 And it was literally like. 1021 00:32:42,945 --> 00:32:43,995 Can I do this? 1022 00:32:44,024 --> 00:32:44,145 Hmm. 1023 00:32:44,205 --> 00:32:45,165 Why is no one else doing this? 1024 00:32:45,165 --> 00:32:48,284 And at the time, that's when the BCRA was kind of dying with sniper matches. 1025 00:32:48,284 --> 00:32:48,465 Right? 1026 00:32:48,469 --> 00:32:48,620 Right. 1027 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:51,044 Like things were really starting to fall off and there was just really nothing 1028 00:32:51,044 --> 00:32:53,324 in bc. So I was like, okay, well I don't wanna shoot F class, I don't wanna 1029 00:32:53,324 --> 00:32:54,945 go shoot, you know, tr type rifles. 1030 00:32:54,945 --> 00:32:56,175 I was like, well, I gotta do something, right? 1031 00:32:56,175 --> 00:33:00,915 So the BC PL has been a really cool, um, launching pad for so many different 1032 00:33:00,915 --> 00:33:02,294 things we've just wanted to try, right? 1033 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:02,379 Mm-hmm. 1034 00:33:02,465 --> 00:33:05,114 It's been super fun and it's, I mean, obviously as part of MBT 1035 00:33:05,205 --> 00:33:08,324 I've been lucky to be able to have the, the backing there and the, the 1036 00:33:08,534 --> 00:33:09,975 allowance to just go grow the sport. 1037 00:33:10,364 --> 00:33:14,715 But I routinely get the question, well, who's like, can someone teach me? 1038 00:33:14,715 --> 00:33:15,465 Can someone help me? 1039 00:33:15,465 --> 00:33:15,475 Right. 1040 00:33:15,475 --> 00:33:17,145 Can someone, how do I get started? 1041 00:33:17,145 --> 00:33:17,324 Right? 1042 00:33:17,324 --> 00:33:21,044 That is the number one question I, I get and I'm like, well, you can watch this 1043 00:33:21,044 --> 00:33:24,284 video or you can listen to this podcast, or you can go to the range, right? 1044 00:33:24,314 --> 00:33:28,905 And, um, and that's a constant question we get and I, I have to keep telling people. 1045 00:33:29,535 --> 00:33:30,765 Why don't you come out to a match, right? 1046 00:33:30,795 --> 00:33:30,885 Mm-hmm. 1047 00:33:30,885 --> 00:33:32,955 I'll give you, we have a loaner rifle, come out and try it. 1048 00:33:32,955 --> 00:33:35,415 And then, you know, like you said, a lot of people are fearful. 1049 00:33:35,415 --> 00:33:35,505 Sure. 1050 00:33:35,505 --> 00:33:38,205 A lot of people get in their heads and they're like, oh, well, is there like 1051 00:33:38,205 --> 00:33:40,815 a qualifier, like the case qualifier, do I have to do something like that? 1052 00:33:40,815 --> 00:33:40,995 Right. 1053 00:33:40,995 --> 00:33:41,595 And we have nothing. 1054 00:33:41,595 --> 00:33:41,745 Right. 1055 00:33:41,745 --> 00:33:43,665 It's just like you can literally just show up with whatever 1056 00:33:43,665 --> 00:33:44,745 you have and come shoot it. 1057 00:33:44,775 --> 00:33:45,525 Just be safe. 1058 00:33:45,585 --> 00:33:45,855 Right. 1059 00:33:45,855 --> 00:33:46,125 That's 1060 00:33:46,125 --> 00:33:47,055 don't point to the people. 1061 00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:49,365 Make yourself disa point in a good direction off trigger until 1062 00:33:49,365 --> 00:33:50,480 we wanted to go bang and Exactly. 1063 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,135 Let's have fun. 1064 00:33:51,165 --> 00:33:51,945 Yeah, exactly right. 1065 00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:53,415 And that's why I tell people, but they're like, oh, well, but 1066 00:33:53,625 --> 00:33:54,675 like, what are we shooting off of? 1067 00:33:54,675 --> 00:33:54,885 Like what? 1068 00:33:55,185 --> 00:33:55,965 Like what's the time limit? 1069 00:33:55,965 --> 00:33:56,355 Like, right. 1070 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,640 Mm-hmm. 1071 00:33:56,725 --> 00:33:58,755 And so that's why I started North Star Precision Training. 1072 00:33:58,785 --> 00:33:59,235 Yes. 1073 00:33:59,235 --> 00:34:01,665 That's, uh, that's why I gave it a go. 1074 00:34:01,665 --> 00:34:01,725 Yeah. 1075 00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:04,215 And this is something I literally started in the airport while 1076 00:34:04,215 --> 00:34:05,355 I was slang down to Dallas. 1077 00:34:05,745 --> 00:34:07,875 Um, and it's been something that's been on my heart for a little while. 1078 00:34:07,875 --> 00:34:09,675 It's something I know I've, I've wanted to do. 1079 00:34:09,735 --> 00:34:12,975 Um, and I kind of have been just doing this for a couple years. 1080 00:34:13,245 --> 00:34:14,985 I've been taking a bunch of new shooters out. 1081 00:34:15,074 --> 00:34:17,594 I. Have been meeting them where they are. 1082 00:34:17,685 --> 00:34:21,404 Mm. And that's, that's really what I wanna emphasize with North Star, is that I don't 1083 00:34:21,404 --> 00:34:22,694 really care what your skill level is. 1084 00:34:22,694 --> 00:34:22,935 Right. 1085 00:34:22,935 --> 00:34:26,085 If you're a brand new shooter who just went and bought an RPR and a, 1086 00:34:26,174 --> 00:34:28,364 you know, a vortex venom, and you just want to go out and shoot it. 1087 00:34:28,395 --> 00:34:29,054 Mm. Okay, cool man. 1088 00:34:29,054 --> 00:34:30,134 Let's, let's figure that out. 1089 00:34:30,134 --> 00:34:30,435 Right? 1090 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:30,509 Yeah. 1091 00:34:30,884 --> 00:34:34,574 If you're a mid-pack shooter who comes out every weekend and you know, 1092 00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:36,585 is having fun with your buddies, be like, okay, well I can crack the 1093 00:34:36,585 --> 00:34:38,085 top 10, I can crack the top five. 1094 00:34:38,565 --> 00:34:38,864 Cool. 1095 00:34:38,895 --> 00:34:39,674 Let's figure that out. 1096 00:34:39,674 --> 00:34:39,915 Right? 1097 00:34:39,915 --> 00:34:40,034 Yeah. 1098 00:34:40,094 --> 00:34:42,045 And, and I bet you, you can, right? 1099 00:34:42,074 --> 00:34:42,165 Yeah. 1100 00:34:42,170 --> 00:34:44,145 It, it won't take you as much as you think it'll take you. 1101 00:34:44,685 --> 00:34:47,444 Um, and that's, that's why I started North Star. 1102 00:34:47,534 --> 00:34:50,235 So it's something that's, uh, it's fresh right now. 1103 00:34:50,355 --> 00:34:52,784 Um, it's just on its infancy. 1104 00:34:52,784 --> 00:34:56,114 I haven't done a whole lot with it just yet, but I, I, I've got 1105 00:34:56,114 --> 00:34:57,194 some ambition for it to grow. 1106 00:34:57,435 --> 00:34:57,895 Um, okay. 1107 00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:01,935 I'm treating it as if, basically I'm a personal trainer, right? 1108 00:35:02,174 --> 00:35:04,935 You are gonna, the gym, you've got goals, you know what you want to do. 1109 00:35:05,265 --> 00:35:06,194 How do I get there? 1110 00:35:06,464 --> 00:35:08,024 You hire someone like me, right? 1111 00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:10,395 So I'm coming out, I'm meeting you with where you are. 1112 00:35:10,395 --> 00:35:12,915 If you don't understand your kestrel, let's just go through your Kestrel, right? 1113 00:35:13,125 --> 00:35:15,645 If you don't know what dope is, let's just go have a coffee and 1114 00:35:15,645 --> 00:35:16,935 let's go to talk about these things. 1115 00:35:16,964 --> 00:35:17,265 Mm. 1116 00:35:17,355 --> 00:35:19,065 But if you wanna go to the range, okay, cool. 1117 00:35:19,065 --> 00:35:19,665 We'll go to the range. 1118 00:35:19,665 --> 00:35:20,415 We'll figure this out. 1119 00:35:20,625 --> 00:35:22,694 We can run paper drills at 50 or a hundred yards. 1120 00:35:22,815 --> 00:35:23,714 Rim fire, Centerfi. 1121 00:35:24,015 --> 00:35:27,555 Uh, if you want to do a whole afternoon course and you want to go up and we're 1122 00:35:27,555 --> 00:35:28,665 gonna go shoot steel in mountains. 1123 00:35:28,665 --> 00:35:28,904 Cool. 1124 00:35:28,964 --> 00:35:29,625 Okay, let's go do that. 1125 00:35:29,625 --> 00:35:32,865 If you wanna focus on wind reading, what do you want to learn? 1126 00:35:33,105 --> 00:35:33,975 Let's focus on that. 1127 00:35:34,004 --> 00:35:34,665 Very cool. 1128 00:35:34,694 --> 00:35:37,245 And then let's build a training platform and a training plan 1129 00:35:37,245 --> 00:35:38,384 on how we're gonna make you. 1130 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:40,650 Sustain that, so it's not something you'll forget. 1131 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:43,860 So you're thinking more one-on-one or small groups sort of thing? 1132 00:35:44,009 --> 00:35:46,290 Yeah, I'm, I'm kind of focusing on the one-on-one right now. 1133 00:35:46,290 --> 00:35:48,509 So most of the stuff I've been doing has been mostly one-on-one. 1134 00:35:48,509 --> 00:35:49,590 And then like little groups. 1135 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:53,610 Um, when you get too many people, I mean, as you will know, too many people 1136 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,410 versus one instructor, it becomes a lot. 1137 00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:57,570 And then you can't spread your, your efforts as evenly. 1138 00:35:57,570 --> 00:35:57,810 Right. 1139 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,225 That's it. 1140 00:35:58,590 --> 00:35:58,920 So, 1141 00:35:59,009 --> 00:36:02,340 but it comes cost prohibitive as well for an individual. 1142 00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:04,980 Like if you have to rent a range or if you're going out into the 1143 00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:08,430 mountains, you might be burning your shooting spot too, all of a 1144 00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:10,380 sudden by taking people out and, uh. 1145 00:36:10,455 --> 00:36:10,515 Yeah, 1146 00:36:12,015 --> 00:36:13,815 so that, so that I'm already, I, it's already burned. 1147 00:36:13,815 --> 00:36:14,295 It's gone. 1148 00:36:14,295 --> 00:36:18,555 I mean, I've got a couple different, and I mean in all honesty, like we don't have 1149 00:36:18,555 --> 00:36:22,125 a good long range range here in bc, right? 1150 00:36:22,125 --> 00:36:24,825 There's nothing, there is no, we don't have a k and m, we don't have 1151 00:36:24,825 --> 00:36:26,235 a gravestone, we don't have a cameo. 1152 00:36:26,235 --> 00:36:28,935 We don't have these premier shooting events where we go, oh, cool, we 1153 00:36:28,935 --> 00:36:30,585 got steel out to 1200 yards, right? 1154 00:36:30,615 --> 00:36:30,855 Mm-hmm. 1155 00:36:30,884 --> 00:36:34,785 We have to go to Crown Land, we have to go to somewhere where it's public, right? 1156 00:36:34,815 --> 00:36:34,904 Mm-hmm. 1157 00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:37,605 So unfortunately, yes, this is going to burn. 1158 00:36:37,605 --> 00:36:38,235 Shooting spots. 1159 00:36:38,295 --> 00:36:39,465 Yeah, it's gonna happen. 1160 00:36:39,795 --> 00:36:41,145 They're kind of already burned, right? 1161 00:36:41,145 --> 00:36:44,115 Most of these spots that are, are secretive and they were really cool. 1162 00:36:44,565 --> 00:36:44,985 They're gone, 1163 00:36:45,735 --> 00:36:48,134 and you can see 'em when they start getting burned because all 1164 00:36:48,134 --> 00:36:49,515 the garbage starts showing up. 1165 00:36:49,725 --> 00:36:50,055 Yep. 1166 00:36:50,205 --> 00:36:53,115 But we also do have access to a couple different private venues, so actually 1167 00:36:53,115 --> 00:36:54,375 where we run a bunch of matches. 1168 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,790 There are some ranges and there are some private land, right? 1169 00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:56,850 Hmm. 1170 00:36:56,850 --> 00:37:00,569 So, um, we've got an amazing training venue, um, that I do wanna 1171 00:37:00,569 --> 00:37:02,040 talk to you about later as well. 1172 00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:06,330 Uh, up in merit where we run our ProSeries match, we've got 20 stages 1173 00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:09,149 set up there, or 18 stages set up there pretty much year round. 1174 00:37:09,149 --> 00:37:13,080 We've got steel up on the hills, um, and we can do a full day or multi-day 1175 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,310 course up there if we want to. 1176 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:17,310 And I've got other instructors, other pro series, uh, shooters that 1177 00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:18,210 can come out and help with that. 1178 00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:19,950 So that's kind of what I'm building to 1179 00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:21,149 How cool would that be? 1180 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:21,569 Mm-hmm. 1181 00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:22,470 Yeah. 1182 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:24,480 And that's takes the pressure off. 1183 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,120 It's, uh, so there there'd be training, learning, but this 1184 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,310 is just like a learner's match, 1185 00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:29,640 right? 1186 00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:30,419 Yeah, exactly. 1187 00:37:30,419 --> 00:37:32,790 So we could do anything from like a PR one, like, this is 1188 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:34,049 how you shoot a thousand yards. 1189 00:37:34,259 --> 00:37:34,290 Mm. 1190 00:37:34,319 --> 00:37:38,250 All the way up to, hey, this is exactly how we would shoot this stage. 1191 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:40,200 And walk you through stage planning, right? 1192 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,600 Walk you through from, Hey, I'm showing up with my bio notice. 1193 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,660 What am I doing to, how to actually execute the stage and get a good score. 1194 00:37:46,169 --> 00:37:50,759 What do you find the, uh, what do you find the biggest thing for most new 1195 00:37:50,759 --> 00:37:53,040 shooters is that can help like, say. 1196 00:37:54,015 --> 00:37:59,625 Get them from not consistently hitting their target to, to hitting their target. 1197 00:38:01,125 --> 00:38:04,544 Um, it's hard to isolate exactly one thing 'cause everyone kind of does 1198 00:38:04,544 --> 00:38:06,194 something slightly different wrong. 1199 00:38:06,345 --> 00:38:06,495 Right. 1200 00:38:06,495 --> 00:38:10,154 Um, I will say one of the biggest mistakes that a lot of new shooters, there's two 1201 00:38:10,185 --> 00:38:12,944 really big mistakes that new shooters don't do, and they don't even think 1202 00:38:12,944 --> 00:38:14,055 about doing it until they're there. 1203 00:38:14,115 --> 00:38:14,354 Mm. 1204 00:38:14,504 --> 00:38:16,935 One is they don't watch any rounds go down range, right? 1205 00:38:16,935 --> 00:38:19,665 Mm. They don't have any glass, they don't have bins, they don't have a spotter. 1206 00:38:19,665 --> 00:38:21,615 And so they're just kind of wandering around behind the line, 1207 00:38:21,615 --> 00:38:22,665 like getting their stuff together. 1208 00:38:22,665 --> 00:38:23,984 And then when it's their time to shoot, they're like, okay, 1209 00:38:23,984 --> 00:38:24,734 where's the target again? 1210 00:38:24,734 --> 00:38:25,395 What am I looking at? 1211 00:38:25,395 --> 00:38:25,904 Kind of thing. 1212 00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:26,169 Right. 1213 00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:28,964 And they haven't seen a single round miss or hit. 1214 00:38:28,964 --> 00:38:29,145 Right. 1215 00:38:29,145 --> 00:38:30,615 So they don't know what the wind's doing. 1216 00:38:30,615 --> 00:38:32,234 They don't know what the vegetation looks like. 1217 00:38:32,234 --> 00:38:32,625 They don't know. 1218 00:38:32,629 --> 00:38:32,729 Mm-hmm. 1219 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:33,884 You know, they haven't observed any of that. 1220 00:38:33,884 --> 00:38:36,555 So that's a really big, um, I actually had this conversation 1221 00:38:36,555 --> 00:38:37,484 with a new shooter yesterday. 1222 00:38:37,575 --> 00:38:37,875 Okay. 1223 00:38:37,875 --> 00:38:39,915 And she was like, okay, well what do I need to do? 1224 00:38:39,944 --> 00:38:44,084 Like what, what gear do I need in order to immediately kind of advance? 1225 00:38:44,205 --> 00:38:45,975 And I was like, you need some buys in a tripod. 1226 00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:46,225 Right, right. 1227 00:38:46,225 --> 00:38:48,584 Like, let's get you going with that just so you can see 1228 00:38:48,584 --> 00:38:49,694 what's happening down range. 1229 00:38:50,265 --> 00:38:52,785 And then the other really big thing that a lot of new shooters do. 1230 00:38:53,205 --> 00:38:55,694 And I'm gonna say you shooters, but this is just all shooters and myself 1231 00:38:55,694 --> 00:38:59,325 included, is accepting crappy positions. 1232 00:38:59,564 --> 00:39:01,845 So when you're in the prone, that's not really a big problem. 1233 00:39:01,845 --> 00:39:03,584 As long as you're behind your gun, it's kind of fine. 1234 00:39:03,705 --> 00:39:04,004 Sure. 1235 00:39:04,395 --> 00:39:07,274 But when you put your bag down and you get into your kneeling 1236 00:39:07,274 --> 00:39:09,884 or standing or some kind of weird position, you put your gun on it. 1237 00:39:10,185 --> 00:39:11,805 Don't accept a bad position. 1238 00:39:11,865 --> 00:39:13,274 Don't have a bad MPA. 1239 00:39:13,395 --> 00:39:13,694 Right. 1240 00:39:13,964 --> 00:39:17,504 And that, I think, is one of the biggest culprits because when 1241 00:39:17,504 --> 00:39:20,384 people do not see where they hit, they do not see where they missed. 1242 00:39:20,504 --> 00:39:23,055 And when you say, Hey, what's your correction gonna be? 1243 00:39:23,055 --> 00:39:24,705 They have literally no idea. 1244 00:39:25,484 --> 00:39:26,475 That's a really good point. 1245 00:39:26,564 --> 00:39:26,774 Yep. 1246 00:39:27,225 --> 00:39:28,904 How do you deal with the pressure of a match? 1247 00:39:29,714 --> 00:39:29,924 Yeah. 1248 00:39:29,924 --> 00:39:31,305 Everyone's a little bit different on that one. 1249 00:39:31,334 --> 00:39:31,515 Yeah. 1250 00:39:31,515 --> 00:39:32,834 But I want to know how you do it. 1251 00:39:33,495 --> 00:39:34,095 Um. 1252 00:39:35,235 --> 00:39:37,845 You said it earlier, like, I'm, I'm kind of a cool cucumber. 1253 00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:40,904 I've got, uh, I've got a calm head, so that definitely helps me a lot. 1254 00:39:40,965 --> 00:39:42,975 I don't necessarily get nervous often. 1255 00:39:43,575 --> 00:39:46,005 One of the things I used to really struggle with was first 1256 00:39:46,005 --> 00:39:47,685 round or first stage jitters. 1257 00:39:48,015 --> 00:39:49,965 And I would come off the stage and every now and then happens still. 1258 00:39:49,965 --> 00:39:51,404 I come off the stage and I'm just shaking. 1259 00:39:51,404 --> 00:39:51,645 Right. 1260 00:39:51,645 --> 00:39:52,634 I'm just freaking out. 1261 00:39:52,815 --> 00:39:53,924 And so I trained that out. 1262 00:39:54,165 --> 00:39:56,475 I, uh, every time I went to the range, every time I pulled 1263 00:39:56,475 --> 00:39:58,365 out my rifle, I didn't zero it. 1264 00:39:58,395 --> 00:40:01,125 I didn't, uh, unless it was, you know, not zeroed. 1265 00:40:01,365 --> 00:40:01,424 Yeah. 1266 00:40:01,485 --> 00:40:04,485 Um, I would run a mock stage and I would put myself on time and I would 1267 00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,225 just start running through stages. 1268 00:40:06,225 --> 00:40:06,495 Right. 1269 00:40:06,495 --> 00:40:07,005 Interesting. 1270 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:10,424 And that's actually something I had to train out, but, um, pressure's always 1271 00:40:10,424 --> 00:40:12,075 gonna be there and it only ramps up. 1272 00:40:12,075 --> 00:40:12,285 Right. 1273 00:40:12,285 --> 00:40:14,595 You know, I've shot three World Cups now and I'm about to shoot 1274 00:40:14,595 --> 00:40:18,195 my fourth this year, and I plan to shoot a fifth the year after. 1275 00:40:18,435 --> 00:40:21,825 Um, it only ramps up when you, when you compete at a high level. 1276 00:40:21,825 --> 00:40:21,975 Right. 1277 00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:22,120 Totally. 1278 00:40:22,125 --> 00:40:27,045 It only gets worse and you, you don't necessarily train 1279 00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:28,485 for that until you're in it. 1280 00:40:29,235 --> 00:40:29,775 Do you hunt? 1281 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:29,940 Yeah. 1282 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,590 Not as much as I would like to. 1283 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:33,990 I used to more, I'm, I'm honestly quite a bad hunter. 1284 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:36,510 Fair enough. 1285 00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:37,800 I mean, hey, you and me both. 1286 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,130 Right? 1287 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:39,600 And sometimes, sometimes I get lucky. 1288 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,740 I just like being outside. 1289 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,100 Right. 1290 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:45,270 Um, the, um, and a lot of people talk about buck fever, right? 1291 00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:48,660 And that's kinda like first, first stage jitters sort of thing. 1292 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:50,280 It's like, oh, been working all this time. 1293 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,680 There's absolutely nothing big lull and something's coming up. 1294 00:40:53,355 --> 00:40:57,915 Um, I've never done one, but I think there's what PRS 1295 00:40:57,915 --> 00:40:58,965 Hunter matches too, aren't, 1296 00:40:58,995 --> 00:40:59,415 yeah. 1297 00:40:59,505 --> 00:41:00,225 Well, okay. 1298 00:41:00,225 --> 00:41:01,815 So right now we have NRL Hunter. 1299 00:41:01,905 --> 00:41:02,565 NRL Hunter. 1300 00:41:02,565 --> 00:41:02,835 Okay. 1301 00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:02,925 Yep. 1302 00:41:03,285 --> 00:41:07,605 Um, and that is honestly the most fun match to shoot. 1303 00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:11,025 If you're ever gonna shoot one match, go and shoot an NRL hunter match 1304 00:41:11,055 --> 00:41:14,895 that, or go shoot like an old school field style, like sniper team match. 1305 00:41:15,135 --> 00:41:15,435 Okay. 1306 00:41:15,435 --> 00:41:16,365 So talk me through this. 1307 00:41:16,365 --> 00:41:17,085 What does it look like? 1308 00:41:17,355 --> 00:41:22,515 So, PRS is, it's becoming more and more like the Ipsy or the US PRA or 1309 00:41:22,515 --> 00:41:26,295 like these sort of like regimented type shooting disciplines, right? 1310 00:41:26,295 --> 00:41:29,295 Where every, you know, everyone goes to see the stage ahead of time. 1311 00:41:29,295 --> 00:41:32,145 You've got a minute 45, you've gotta shoot 12 shots, you gotta 1312 00:41:32,145 --> 00:41:33,165 move, move, move, run, run, run. 1313 00:41:33,165 --> 00:41:33,405 Right. 1314 00:41:34,155 --> 00:41:36,195 NRL Hunter's kind of the exact opposite vibe. 1315 00:41:36,225 --> 00:41:36,255 Okay. 1316 00:41:36,255 --> 00:41:37,995 And it, it's so much more fun. 1317 00:41:37,995 --> 00:41:42,345 So your gun has to be a hunting weight, so like 16 pounds or, and 1318 00:41:42,345 --> 00:41:43,695 under, or 12 pounds and under. 1319 00:41:43,695 --> 00:41:43,785 Sure. 1320 00:41:43,845 --> 00:41:45,195 Which is still heavy for a hunting rifle. 1321 00:41:45,195 --> 00:41:45,285 I know. 1322 00:41:45,285 --> 00:41:45,465 Sure 1323 00:41:45,465 --> 00:41:45,735 is. 1324 00:41:45,735 --> 00:41:46,005 Yeah. 1325 00:41:46,095 --> 00:41:49,515 Um, you have to shoot basically a six five creed more or above. 1326 00:41:49,605 --> 00:41:49,875 Okay. 1327 00:41:50,025 --> 00:41:52,185 They've got power factor limits and stuff like that. 1328 00:41:52,545 --> 00:41:55,455 Um, you can run a really hot 25 Cree to make it work, but there's, 1329 00:41:55,515 --> 00:41:57,375 there's recoil you have to absorb. 1330 00:41:57,915 --> 00:42:00,225 Um, and everything's completely blind. 1331 00:42:00,465 --> 00:42:00,765 Mm. 1332 00:42:00,825 --> 00:42:03,045 And so that's what I think is the really cool aspect of it. 1333 00:42:03,045 --> 00:42:03,945 It's the great equalizer. 1334 00:42:03,945 --> 00:42:06,795 So you start down the hill somewhere, you're just standing 1335 00:42:06,795 --> 00:42:07,785 there hanging out with your buddies. 1336 00:42:07,785 --> 00:42:09,375 Everyone's just kind of chilling air pro out. 1337 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:12,015 And you got a little placard sitting there on a fence post and 1338 00:42:12,015 --> 00:42:13,245 says, oh, there's two coyotes. 1339 00:42:13,245 --> 00:42:15,645 You have to shoot them in two positions left to right. 1340 00:42:15,675 --> 00:42:16,485 And you're like, okay, cool. 1341 00:42:16,515 --> 00:42:17,175 And that's all you get. 1342 00:42:17,475 --> 00:42:19,275 And they maybe have a picture of the coyote. 1343 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:19,640 Okay. 1344 00:42:20,685 --> 00:42:22,755 And, uh, and then you, the ro comes down and sees you and 1345 00:42:22,755 --> 00:42:23,895 says, okay, hey, you guys ready? 1346 00:42:23,895 --> 00:42:26,355 And you either shoot by yourself in four minutes. 1347 00:42:26,745 --> 00:42:28,965 Or as a team in two, or sorry, six minutes. 1348 00:42:29,205 --> 00:42:29,654 Okay. 1349 00:42:29,805 --> 00:42:34,095 Um, and I would a absolutely, if you have a buddy that you're good friends with 1350 00:42:34,095 --> 00:42:37,395 and will remain good friends with after a terrible performance go, shoot's a team. 1351 00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:38,505 Um, it's 1352 00:42:38,505 --> 00:42:38,865 helpful. 1353 00:42:38,865 --> 00:42:39,165 Is it? 1354 00:42:39,315 --> 00:42:41,745 It's helpful, but it's so much fun just yelling at each other, 1355 00:42:41,865 --> 00:42:43,275 just nattering back and forth. 1356 00:42:43,335 --> 00:42:46,455 And, um, and anyway, so you've got four or six minutes, depending on 1357 00:42:46,455 --> 00:42:48,045 if you're single or, or as a team. 1358 00:42:48,285 --> 00:42:51,195 And you run up the hill and you're panting and you're breathing hard and you show up 1359 00:42:51,195 --> 00:42:54,345 there and there's a little bit of tape and there's a little bit of tape over here. 1360 00:42:54,345 --> 00:42:56,415 And then there's some flags on the ground telling you where to look. 1361 00:42:56,535 --> 00:42:56,715 Okay. 1362 00:42:56,715 --> 00:42:59,745 And so you have to find the targets and you gotta arrange 'em, and you gotta 1363 00:42:59,745 --> 00:43:02,685 engage 'em in four minutes, which doesn't sound like it's a hard thing to do. 1364 00:43:02,805 --> 00:43:04,335 Well, finding targets can be difficult. 1365 00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:05,220 Exactly. 1366 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,740 Finding targets is usually the hardest part for people. 1367 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:07,800 Yeah. 1368 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,680 And I have shot hunter stages where I've literally never fired around. 1369 00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:11,220 Really? 1370 00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:12,540 And it's brutal. 1371 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,220 And it kills your confidence. 1372 00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:16,710 And the worst part actually is we were in California years ago. 1373 00:43:17,130 --> 00:43:19,710 I found the targets with like a minute and a half to go. 1374 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:21,090 I went prone, couldn't see 'em. 1375 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:24,690 I was like, okay, what am I doing now? 1376 00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:26,220 And so I got back up and I couldn't find him again. 1377 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:27,390 I'm like, what is going on? 1378 00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:27,480 Yeah. 1379 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,860 And it was so, so frustrating. 1380 00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:33,150 But NRL Hunter is so different and it's such a departure from everything else 1381 00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:34,410 that kind of currently exists right now. 1382 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,470 And it trains the, like, in my opinion, the sort of pure like 1383 00:43:37,470 --> 00:43:38,700 marksmanship skills, right? 1384 00:43:38,705 --> 00:43:38,715 Mm-hmm. 1385 00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:41,460 Can I go into an unknown situation? 1386 00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:42,840 Can I find my target? 1387 00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:43,080 Mm-hmm. 1388 00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:44,760 Can I ethically identify my target? 1389 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,030 Right? 1390 00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:49,170 Can I, uh, decide which words landmark? 1391 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:50,670 Can I range it well? 1392 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:52,110 Can I make sure it's actually the right range? 1393 00:43:52,115 --> 00:43:52,740 Is it skyline? 1394 00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:52,920 Right? 1395 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,790 There's all these different things. 1396 00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:56,730 And then the easy part really, really is the shooting part, right? 1397 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,150 Once you can see it and you know it Exactly. 1398 00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:58,980 And the distance and. 1399 00:43:59,895 --> 00:44:00,315 Are. 1400 00:44:00,315 --> 00:44:03,375 Um, so if you're doing it with a team, your buddy can 1401 00:44:03,375 --> 00:44:04,995 spot for you and talk you in. 1402 00:44:05,085 --> 00:44:07,515 Yeah, so I shoot a lot with, um, with Ryan McClain. 1403 00:44:07,515 --> 00:44:08,955 He shows up with a bunch of our videos and stuff like that. 1404 00:44:08,955 --> 00:44:10,694 So he and I shot his teams quite a lot last year and we were 1405 00:44:10,694 --> 00:44:11,685 pretty successful actually. 1406 00:44:12,075 --> 00:44:14,055 And, um, so what. 1407 00:44:14,115 --> 00:44:16,904 The roles are is he'll be the first shooter, I'll be the spotter. 1408 00:44:17,174 --> 00:44:17,294 Okay. 1409 00:44:17,325 --> 00:44:20,745 I'm, I've got younger eyes and I'm better at, at finding targets and 1410 00:44:20,745 --> 00:44:23,834 he's technically a better shooter than I am, so he'll get down. 1411 00:44:23,834 --> 00:44:24,404 Technically, 1412 00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:28,064 technically I'll say, I will say tech technically, like his fundamentals 1413 00:44:28,064 --> 00:44:29,055 are probably stronger than mine. 1414 00:44:29,055 --> 00:44:30,765 And I think he's a better trigger puller than I am. 1415 00:44:30,884 --> 00:44:33,225 And I'm, you know, I will own that. 1416 00:44:33,285 --> 00:44:33,884 Yep, fair enough. 1417 00:44:33,944 --> 00:44:38,475 And, um, and so he'll set up and he'll be trying to build this weird position, 1418 00:44:38,475 --> 00:44:41,714 deploy the triple pull, deploy the tripod, all the, you know, goofiness, right? 1419 00:44:41,714 --> 00:44:41,774 Yeah. 1420 00:44:41,774 --> 00:44:44,084 And I'm sitting there looking around and when I find something, I'll, you know, 1421 00:44:44,084 --> 00:44:46,875 point it out to him and I'll call it out and he'll get on his scope and look at it. 1422 00:44:46,875 --> 00:44:48,044 I'll get on his bio and look at it. 1423 00:44:48,495 --> 00:44:51,975 And, uh, we work back and forth and Ros have told us that we are the most 1424 00:44:51,975 --> 00:44:55,875 talkative team and we're just constantly talking to each other, just yapping about 1425 00:44:55,875 --> 00:44:58,935 something or another, talking to the ros, talking to each other, just yapping. 1426 00:44:59,354 --> 00:45:02,625 And, uh, and so the idea is that, okay, within two, three minutes, you 1427 00:45:02,625 --> 00:45:04,995 know, first shooters set up, they've got their rounds down range, impact, 1428 00:45:04,995 --> 00:45:08,475 impact, you get more points for a first round impact and less rounds for, or 1429 00:45:08,475 --> 00:45:09,674 less points for a second round impact. 1430 00:45:09,674 --> 00:45:12,555 So encouraging, you know, the ethical shot kind of thing. 1431 00:45:12,615 --> 00:45:12,854 Sure. 1432 00:45:13,095 --> 00:45:13,964 And then you switch. 1433 00:45:14,325 --> 00:45:17,805 And um, typically the ideal workflow is two minutes. 1434 00:45:17,955 --> 00:45:21,495 Find your targets, two minutes, first shooter, two minutes, second shooter. 1435 00:45:21,705 --> 00:45:21,885 Gotcha. 1436 00:45:21,915 --> 00:45:25,965 Usually it's three ish minutes. 1437 00:45:26,235 --> 00:45:27,795 Find your targets and get set up. 1438 00:45:27,795 --> 00:45:28,365 One minute 1439 00:45:29,295 --> 00:45:31,365 Uhhuh first shooter, and then, and then just drag race for the last guy. 1440 00:45:31,425 --> 00:45:32,025 Yes. 1441 00:45:32,625 --> 00:45:35,925 So what about like, so SIGs got those? 1442 00:45:35,985 --> 00:45:36,135 Yep. 1443 00:45:36,165 --> 00:45:38,625 Uh, laser range finders that can talk to the scope. 1444 00:45:38,625 --> 00:45:40,395 That probably wouldn't be allowed and something like this, would it? 1445 00:45:40,395 --> 00:45:41,085 No, it's allowed. 1446 00:45:41,145 --> 00:45:41,475 Okay. 1447 00:45:41,475 --> 00:45:42,195 Yep, it's allowed. 1448 00:45:42,195 --> 00:45:45,615 It's just you're not necessarily saving a lot of time. 1449 00:45:45,795 --> 00:45:46,095 Okay. 1450 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:46,230 Um. 1451 00:45:47,325 --> 00:45:49,215 And I mean, those scopes are a little heavy as well, so 1452 00:45:49,215 --> 00:45:50,505 making weight with it mm-hmm. 1453 00:45:50,505 --> 00:45:51,495 Gets you, gets a little tricky. 1454 00:45:51,495 --> 00:45:53,805 And the same thing with like a weapons mounted laser range finder. 1455 00:45:53,805 --> 00:45:56,505 You could put that on your scope, but then you're adding like a pound to your gun. 1456 00:45:56,505 --> 00:45:56,685 Right? 1457 00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:56,710 Right. 1458 00:45:56,715 --> 00:45:58,665 So you gotta be, you gotta be pretty careful with, with 1459 00:45:58,665 --> 00:45:59,595 weight limits and things. 1460 00:45:59,775 --> 00:45:59,985 Okay. 1461 00:45:59,985 --> 00:46:03,105 So the way we always run is just, um, I would have the laser range 1462 00:46:03,105 --> 00:46:06,975 finding bin noses and he just had RO NLP just for like finding targets. 1463 00:46:07,275 --> 00:46:07,305 Mm. 1464 00:46:07,455 --> 00:46:11,175 Um, and yeah, I would range 'em all and we, if you're gonna shoot 1465 00:46:11,175 --> 00:46:13,815 as a team, you basically have to run the exact same bullet, right. 1466 00:46:13,815 --> 00:46:15,495 Exact same bullet, same speeds. 1467 00:46:15,555 --> 00:46:15,705 Makes 1468 00:46:15,705 --> 00:46:16,065 sense. 1469 00:46:16,065 --> 00:46:17,145 You have to have the same dope. 1470 00:46:17,145 --> 00:46:20,175 'cause if one guy's running a 300 Norma and the other guy's running a six five 1471 00:46:20,175 --> 00:46:21,255 creed, you're gonna be in trouble. 1472 00:46:21,315 --> 00:46:21,585 Right. 1473 00:46:22,095 --> 00:46:26,295 So, um, you gotta have really close ballistics, but, um, yeah, I mean 1474 00:46:26,295 --> 00:46:30,705 it's a super fun environment and as hunters, it actually brings a lot of 1475 00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:33,165 people out there and it's, you know, you see guys show up at their 30 1476 00:46:33,165 --> 00:46:36,705 odd six or their two 70 or seven mil REM mags and just come try a match. 1477 00:46:36,705 --> 00:46:36,884 Right? 1478 00:46:37,154 --> 00:46:37,185 Mm. 1479 00:46:37,245 --> 00:46:39,225 And it's just so much fun to see those guys. 1480 00:46:39,615 --> 00:46:40,785 Because they just wanna learn. 1481 00:46:40,785 --> 00:46:41,055 Right? 1482 00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:42,855 That's, and they want to try shooting their hunting gear, right. 1483 00:46:42,855 --> 00:46:44,745 And just find weaknesses in hunting gear. 1484 00:46:44,745 --> 00:46:45,585 And it's so much fun. 1485 00:46:45,585 --> 00:46:46,245 I like that. 1486 00:46:46,335 --> 00:46:49,155 And like you're saying, like being able to spot these things 1487 00:46:49,155 --> 00:46:50,655 is gonna be a huge part of it. 1488 00:46:50,655 --> 00:46:52,725 So that's a, that's a bit of an equalizer too for the people who 1489 00:46:52,725 --> 00:46:54,015 come out with all the flash kit, 1490 00:46:54,195 --> 00:46:54,525 right? 1491 00:46:55,125 --> 00:46:57,525 Well, may maybe the other team that doesn't have the flash 1492 00:46:57,525 --> 00:46:58,900 kit can, can spot 'em quicker. 1493 00:46:59,235 --> 00:47:00,015 Well, that's the thing, right? 1494 00:47:00,015 --> 00:47:03,945 Is it's not really a gear race, it's just how good are you at doing these things? 1495 00:47:04,005 --> 00:47:04,065 Mm. 1496 00:47:04,155 --> 00:47:04,515 Right. 1497 00:47:04,515 --> 00:47:08,865 And it's more like efficiencies with gear than it is the fanciest caliber or 1498 00:47:08,865 --> 00:47:10,365 the longest barrel or whatever, right? 1499 00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:10,500 Sure. 1500 00:47:10,705 --> 00:47:13,035 It's a, it is such a different departure. 1501 00:47:13,035 --> 00:47:15,165 And they're usually in like, beautiful places, right? 1502 00:47:15,165 --> 00:47:16,725 Like actual, like hunting locations. 1503 00:47:16,725 --> 00:47:17,265 That's cool. 1504 00:47:17,295 --> 00:47:17,535 Yeah. 1505 00:47:17,535 --> 00:47:18,285 That is cool. 1506 00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:23,745 Uh, I think you, there's one that's held up in Squamish or Pemberton, is it? 1507 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,200 Uh, no. 1508 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,790 We used to run some matches up in Pemberton. 1509 00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:27,240 Pem. 1510 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:27,270 Okay. 1511 00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:29,250 Um, but yeah, the closest NRL Hunter match. 1512 00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:32,220 Well, from, from here we had one in Cranbrook, actually. 1513 00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:32,370 Oh, okay. 1514 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:34,200 And it was amazing. 1515 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,500 That was, 1516 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:35,820 wasn't it, like at some resort? 1517 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:36,840 Pretty much, yeah. 1518 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,145 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1519 00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:37,290 Yeah. 1520 00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:40,560 There's a, there's a father and son duo, uh, Tyler and Chase. 1521 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,030 And Chase is actually on our pro team now. 1522 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:42,150 Mm. 1523 00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:45,690 Uh, the sun and they, they own a ranch out there, a guest ranch. 1524 00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:48,780 It's, it's one of Canada's, if not Canada's number one dude ranch. 1525 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:50,220 Like, it's, it's phenomenal. 1526 00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:51,900 It is one of the coolest places. 1527 00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:54,090 Um, and they're not running a match this year, unfortunately. 1528 00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:56,850 But, uh, there are some matches down in Washington state as well. 1529 00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:58,530 Washington, Oregon, Idaho. 1530 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,890 Um, and they're, I, if you have the chance, I would highly, 1531 00:48:01,890 --> 00:48:03,060 highly, highly recommend doing it. 1532 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:03,810 Okay. 1533 00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,420 Well, you guys are killing it on the social media front too. 1534 00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:06,780 Thank you. 1535 00:48:07,025 --> 00:48:09,660 I, I think that's, uh, the content that you're putting out. 1536 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:12,390 It reminds me of a, uh, guy I went to school with and, uh, 1537 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,490 wrote a book called Sociable and. 1538 00:48:14,924 --> 00:48:18,225 Got the thing published and he's, I remember back in the day, and he's, 1539 00:48:18,495 --> 00:48:21,855 when real estate agents were driving around and filling themselves in the 1540 00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:23,595 car, it was the drive and talk thing. 1541 00:48:23,595 --> 00:48:23,714 And 1542 00:48:23,745 --> 00:48:23,955 yep, 1543 00:48:24,225 --> 00:48:28,754 he's doing this and he's giving away all this great advice. 1544 00:48:29,174 --> 00:48:30,915 And I'm like, what are you doing? 1545 00:48:30,915 --> 00:48:32,234 Like people aren't gonna pay you. 1546 00:48:32,234 --> 00:48:34,004 They're not gonna come and see you if you're giving this all away. 1547 00:48:34,004 --> 00:48:35,355 It's like, nah, Trav, you've got it backwards. 1548 00:48:35,355 --> 00:48:37,274 They're gonna come to you because you're the expert, right? 1549 00:48:37,305 --> 00:48:38,444 You have all the information. 1550 00:48:38,955 --> 00:48:40,335 And I see that with MDT. 1551 00:48:40,335 --> 00:48:44,355 The amount of information, the amount of quality content that you guys keep 1552 00:48:44,355 --> 00:48:48,254 putting out is, uh, it's impressive. 1553 00:48:48,495 --> 00:48:50,085 And Ryan's in a lot of that too. 1554 00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:50,220 Yeah. 1555 00:48:50,774 --> 00:48:51,015 Yeah. 1556 00:48:51,045 --> 00:48:53,265 I mean he's, uh, well, two things. 1557 00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:53,339 So. 1558 00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:57,480 One of the very first departures for MDT was, I remember being in a meeting 1559 00:48:57,690 --> 00:49:01,200 forever ago now, but Martin said, we're not in the business of educating people. 1560 00:49:01,770 --> 00:49:01,830 Hmm. 1561 00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:03,870 Which I understood what he said at the time, and I was like, yeah, 1562 00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:04,589 no, that kind of makes sense. 1563 00:49:04,589 --> 00:49:05,250 Like, we're not, right. 1564 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:07,529 We're an accessories, we're an aftermarket company. 1565 00:49:07,529 --> 00:49:07,680 Right. 1566 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,620 Social media was, was part of our advertising, but it wasn't 1567 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,700 our business at that point. 1568 00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:12,000 Right. 1569 00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:15,210 And then there was a fairly big switch where we said, actually no. 1570 00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:18,060 Like if we're gonna do this, we're gonna do it the legendary way, right? 1571 00:49:18,065 --> 00:49:18,125 Mm-hmm. 1572 00:49:18,245 --> 00:49:22,410 We're gonna make the best content we can and advertise, 1573 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:23,790 but also teach people, right? 1574 00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:23,800 Mm-hmm. 1575 00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:25,319 And yeah, so Ryan's a huge part of this. 1576 00:49:25,319 --> 00:49:27,900 You know, he came on as like a testing manager, project manager 1577 00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:31,004 kind of guy, and now he's, who knows what the heck Ryan does anymore. 1578 00:49:31,049 --> 00:49:32,819 He's a special project kind of guy, right? 1579 00:49:32,819 --> 00:49:35,045 Just off doing marketing stuff and, um, excellent. 1580 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:35,490 Yeah. 1581 00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:39,000 And we've, we've have some just awesome opportunities to go and film 1582 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,589 amazing stuff all over the place and just, um, get to explore, right? 1583 00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:45,420 I mean, that's one of the really cool things with MDT is the 1584 00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:46,560 sky's kind of the limit, right? 1585 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,089 It's like, can we do this? 1586 00:49:49,185 --> 00:49:49,545 I don't know. 1587 00:49:49,545 --> 00:49:50,175 We're gonna figure it out. 1588 00:49:50,745 --> 00:49:53,960 I get people contacting me, showing me an MDT video on the lake. 1589 00:49:54,585 --> 00:49:55,694 Do you know where this is Trav? 1590 00:49:55,875 --> 00:49:56,895 Do you know where this place is? 1591 00:49:56,895 --> 00:49:59,025 I'm like, I wanna shoot here. 1592 00:49:59,025 --> 00:50:00,855 I'm like, yeah, I've got a pretty strong idea. 1593 00:50:00,855 --> 00:50:02,505 Know where it is, but why don't you ask them? 1594 00:50:02,505 --> 00:50:02,895 Right? 1595 00:50:03,585 --> 00:50:03,674 It's, 1596 00:50:04,035 --> 00:50:04,335 yeah, 1597 00:50:04,424 --> 00:50:07,245 I, I bet you there's people who go there, like, you watch these 1598 00:50:07,245 --> 00:50:10,310 guys who can just look at the, the fescue, they look at the Oh yeah. 1599 00:50:10,605 --> 00:50:14,174 The, the fo in the, they're able to pinpoint where you're on the map. 1600 00:50:14,265 --> 00:50:14,475 Basically. 1601 00:50:14,475 --> 00:50:16,875 There's people who watch your video specifically to try and find 1602 00:50:17,145 --> 00:50:18,404 where you guys are shooting at. 1603 00:50:18,495 --> 00:50:18,855 Yep. 1604 00:50:19,065 --> 00:50:19,305 Yeah. 1605 00:50:19,305 --> 00:50:21,765 And that's, so one of the things, like we have a, you know, there's a couple 1606 00:50:21,765 --> 00:50:24,735 Crown L spots we use, and there's not honestly that much to shoot around here. 1607 00:50:24,735 --> 00:50:25,995 So it's like, okay, it is what it is. 1608 00:50:26,205 --> 00:50:27,795 But we've started renting ranges, right? 1609 00:50:27,795 --> 00:50:28,095 Or like. 1610 00:50:28,565 --> 00:50:31,385 Going to a match and then staying there a couple extra days and just hanging out 1611 00:50:31,385 --> 00:50:32,645 on the property doing a bunch of videos. 1612 00:50:32,645 --> 00:50:32,825 Right. 1613 00:50:32,825 --> 00:50:35,315 So that's why you'll see like, there'll be a string of videos from, like 1614 00:50:35,315 --> 00:50:38,705 recently we've done, uh, war Rifles down at the Geisey range in Pennsylvania. 1615 00:50:38,945 --> 00:50:41,705 Tons of videos just came outta there because it's like, okay, last fall 1616 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:42,785 we were down there for like a week. 1617 00:50:42,785 --> 00:50:43,115 Right. 1618 00:50:43,355 --> 00:50:43,475 Cool. 1619 00:50:43,535 --> 00:50:46,565 Um, they've been at another venue, uh, not too long ago. 1620 00:50:46,565 --> 00:50:48,815 So there's gonna be a whole string of videos from like one venue here 1621 00:50:48,815 --> 00:50:51,605 pretty for the, you know, for the next little foreseeable future. 1622 00:50:51,605 --> 00:50:51,785 Right. 1623 00:50:51,785 --> 00:50:53,765 And it's cool as well, we get the pro team involved, right? 1624 00:50:53,765 --> 00:50:55,595 We get these shooters come in from all over the place. 1625 00:50:55,595 --> 00:50:56,765 They get to be part of the videos. 1626 00:50:56,765 --> 00:51:01,085 Like, it's, it's awesome how much we spend on media now. 1627 00:51:01,085 --> 00:51:03,905 And I think we've got something like five full-time video 1628 00:51:03,905 --> 00:51:05,015 guys in house or something. 1629 00:51:05,015 --> 00:51:06,515 Like, it's just crazy. 1630 00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:09,665 I think it's important, you know, I remember when I, this used to be the 1631 00:51:09,665 --> 00:51:13,415 office where everyone worked out of and then ended up, uh, a friend of mine, 1632 00:51:13,415 --> 00:51:15,875 he owns the Range Langley, and he's like, Travis, I've been watching this 1633 00:51:15,875 --> 00:51:19,325 guy called Gary Vaynerchuk and he says, everyone's gotta be a media company. 1634 00:51:19,325 --> 00:51:22,415 I'm like, who the hell is this Gary Vaynerchuk guy? 1635 00:51:22,415 --> 00:51:22,625 Right? 1636 00:51:22,625 --> 00:51:24,665 And I get in, I look at him, I'm like, I don't know if I like 1637 00:51:24,665 --> 00:51:26,705 this guy swearing all the time. 1638 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,680 Watch a couple more clips. 1639 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,720 I'm like, ah, he makes a point and watch a few more. 1640 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:31,290 I'm like, okay. 1641 00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:34,799 I get where he is coming from and then it's like, okay, let's do it. 1642 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:39,390 So I went, got a new office, turned this whole thing into our production 1643 00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:41,189 studio for podcasts and everything else. 1644 00:51:41,189 --> 00:51:44,279 Just jumped headfirst into the waters. 1645 00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:48,509 And I think, um, I think I talked about this with Martin when he 1646 00:51:48,509 --> 00:51:53,009 was on too, but I, I remember, uh, Magpole back in the day. 1647 00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:53,459 Mm-hmm. 1648 00:51:53,461 --> 00:51:53,471 Yep. 1649 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,899 And they were one of the first companies that started putting out professional 1650 00:51:57,899 --> 00:51:59,730 properly film training videos. 1651 00:52:00,330 --> 00:52:07,080 And even then, like trying to market gun stuff and gun accessories was tough 1652 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,620 because magazines wouldn't do allow it. 1653 00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:12,930 Social media where it was wouldn't allow it. 1654 00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:17,520 However, education's different and they're not saying buyer stuff, 1655 00:52:17,549 --> 00:52:17,819 right. 1656 00:52:17,819 --> 00:52:22,169 They, they're saying, here's how you can shoot faster and shoot more accurately, 1657 00:52:22,529 --> 00:52:24,240 and they just so happen to be running. 1658 00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,070 All, all of their own stuff. 1659 00:52:26,075 --> 00:52:26,105 Right? 1660 00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:26,430 Right. 1661 00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:29,910 And people will equate that with, well, geez, if I have that, I can do this. 1662 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:32,910 And I thought that was just a brilliant way to market. 1663 00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:33,420 Yeah. 1664 00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:34,530 I'd, same with Glock. 1665 00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:38,310 When Glock came out trying to get people to understand this new 1666 00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:40,020 Tupperware handgun, the plastic. 1667 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:40,800 Fantastic. 1668 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,310 Right, 1669 00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:41,320 right. 1670 00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:42,240 What'd they do? 1671 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,650 I mean, there were pennies to make. 1672 00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:45,720 I mean, they're dirt cheap to make those guns. 1673 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,120 But the massive marketing campaign to educate people as to why 1674 00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:54,420 they're good and they, they make quality stuff same as you guys. 1675 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:54,600 Right. 1676 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,070 I see that as a, uh, uh, the smartest way for a company to 1677 00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:00,450 really propel itself forward. 1678 00:53:00,870 --> 00:53:05,910 Give away all the secrets be of absolute value to the people have be, what is it? 1679 00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:06,240 Legend? 1680 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:06,360 Yeah. 1681 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,600 What is that? 1682 00:53:07,290 --> 00:53:08,700 You guys have your internal thing. 1683 00:53:08,759 --> 00:53:09,270 That's the thing. 1684 00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:09,570 Mark. 1685 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,140 I think Martin's actually, I think he trademarked the word of like, legend. 1686 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:13,860 Yeah. 1687 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,210 He loves doing stuff like that. 1688 00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:17,070 He actually tried to trademark for tension year for me, and I 1689 00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:18,240 was like, oh man, we got close 1690 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,160 pretension here. 1691 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:20,610 Yeah. 1692 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,850 You know, I got a buddy who went and trademarked, uh, Microsoft. 1693 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,620 'cause he is like, I'm, I'm gonna go And, uh, 1694 00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:26,380 oh, he 1695 00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:26,390 okay. 1696 00:53:26,505 --> 00:53:28,110 Yeah, because I, I guess, yeah. 1697 00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:32,520 Uh, he's like, I'm gonna start my own microbrewery and S-A-U-F-T 1698 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,590 South is uh, like beverage or something in German or Austria and 1699 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,100 Sure. 1700 00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:39,750 And so I'm gonna have a microbrewery. 1701 00:53:40,665 --> 00:53:42,915 He didn't do as well as that Mike Rowe kid did. 1702 00:53:45,165 --> 00:53:47,835 He got the lawyers on him, and Microsoft's like, no, no, no. 1703 00:53:47,835 --> 00:53:48,674 We're in the beer industry. 1704 00:53:48,674 --> 00:53:51,825 We made this cozy for a beer thing once it went back and forth. 1705 00:53:51,825 --> 00:53:56,625 But, uh, uh, but that's, you know, a DHD and entrepreneurism 1706 00:53:56,625 --> 00:53:57,555 and all the rest, right? 1707 00:53:57,585 --> 00:53:57,795 Yeah. 1708 00:53:58,125 --> 00:53:59,955 Uh, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 1709 00:54:00,134 --> 00:54:02,565 But I mean, that kind of like you, you touched on there like legend, right? 1710 00:54:02,565 --> 00:54:05,325 It's like, if we're gonna do it, we're just gonna do it the best 1711 00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:06,585 possible way we can do it, right? 1712 00:54:06,585 --> 00:54:08,265 And that was one of the coolest things with the media. 1713 00:54:08,265 --> 00:54:10,335 And like, and you know, you go to matches, you go to events, 1714 00:54:10,335 --> 00:54:11,145 you go to trade shows, right? 1715 00:54:11,145 --> 00:54:13,395 And people are like, I love the guy, the videos you guys are doing. 1716 00:54:13,395 --> 00:54:15,345 It's like, yeah, like it's paying off, right? 1717 00:54:15,345 --> 00:54:18,105 Like there's, it took a while for us to get there. 1718 00:54:18,105 --> 00:54:19,395 And I mean, you know this, right? 1719 00:54:19,395 --> 00:54:21,134 Like creating podcasts and creating content, right? 1720 00:54:21,134 --> 00:54:24,134 Like, you gotta start small or you gotta start somewhere, right? 1721 00:54:24,134 --> 00:54:26,055 And some of our early videos are rough. 1722 00:54:26,745 --> 00:54:28,634 It's like, what are you doing? 1723 00:54:28,964 --> 00:54:32,924 Well, there's, what is that other, uh, expression done is better than perfect, 1724 00:54:33,015 --> 00:54:33,285 right? 1725 00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:36,285 And it's, that's that balance because you want to have the 1726 00:54:36,285 --> 00:54:37,725 most perfect thing out there. 1727 00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:41,610 But maybe just say, this is iteration one and we get it out and we go and 1728 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:44,370 this is the most best thing we're doing at this time with our resources 1729 00:54:44,370 --> 00:54:45,840 and our knowledge and experience. 1730 00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:46,230 Right. 1731 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:49,320 Uh, that's, how's AI gonna change the game here? 1732 00:54:49,860 --> 00:54:52,620 Well, so actually it's funny you mention that, 'cause now we have 1733 00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:54,240 a, you can look at this on YouTube. 1734 00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:55,410 We have a Spanish. 1735 00:54:55,815 --> 00:54:57,495 And a French YouTube channel. 1736 00:54:57,495 --> 00:54:57,525 Ooh. 1737 00:54:57,855 --> 00:55:01,485 Which is hilarious because it's just this exact same video. 1738 00:55:01,485 --> 00:55:05,265 It's the exact same people, but AI has taken their voices and just 1739 00:55:05,265 --> 00:55:06,555 made it French or made it Spanish. 1740 00:55:06,615 --> 00:55:06,885 Oh, that's 1741 00:55:06,885 --> 00:55:07,005 awesome. 1742 00:55:07,005 --> 00:55:10,570 So we have Mexican, and we have Lan. 1743 00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:11,770 Lan. 1744 00:55:12,075 --> 00:55:12,495 Yep. 1745 00:55:12,765 --> 00:55:16,185 And it's super funny to watch them because it's like you're speaking, it sounds 1746 00:55:16,185 --> 00:55:17,655 like you, but you're speaking Spanish. 1747 00:55:18,285 --> 00:55:19,185 Are they doing well? 1748 00:55:19,185 --> 00:55:19,785 Are they hitting? 1749 00:55:19,845 --> 00:55:20,805 Yeah, it's actually really good. 1750 00:55:20,805 --> 00:55:21,015 Yeah. 1751 00:55:21,015 --> 00:55:23,895 I mean, I think the, I think the Spanish channel's actually doing better than 1752 00:55:23,895 --> 00:55:25,155 the, than the French channel, but yeah. 1753 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:25,210 Okay. 1754 00:55:25,215 --> 00:55:26,925 I mean, it's, it's reaching new audiences, right? 1755 00:55:26,925 --> 00:55:31,215 And it's, it's engaging new, uh, new, um, audiences we, we 1756 00:55:31,215 --> 00:55:32,475 might not have had before, right. 1757 00:55:32,475 --> 00:55:33,585 Or they wouldn't have stumbled upon it. 1758 00:55:33,915 --> 00:55:36,975 But what AI will do to the content, who knows? 1759 00:55:37,095 --> 00:55:38,145 Who knows? 1760 00:55:38,175 --> 00:55:41,325 I mean, I know we've, I think we did a one video of like AI 1761 00:55:41,325 --> 00:55:42,525 versus orchestral kind of thing. 1762 00:55:42,525 --> 00:55:42,795 Right? 1763 00:55:43,605 --> 00:55:44,055 Okay. 1764 00:55:44,055 --> 00:55:45,825 You know, there's, there's all these kind of things, right? 1765 00:55:45,825 --> 00:55:45,915 What 1766 00:55:45,915 --> 00:55:46,185 one. 1767 00:55:46,935 --> 00:55:47,775 I believe it was the Kestrel. 1768 00:55:47,775 --> 00:55:48,915 I actually don't think I watched the video. 1769 00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:49,250 Okay, 1770 00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:49,530 okay. 1771 00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:51,765 But I think it was the Kestrel, but I think it showed that the 1772 00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:52,935 AI was actually kind of close. 1773 00:55:52,935 --> 00:55:53,145 Right? 1774 00:55:53,175 --> 00:55:53,385 Yeah. 1775 00:55:53,415 --> 00:55:56,865 And I mean, we had like a, a AI chat bot on the website for a little while, 1776 00:55:57,075 --> 00:56:01,185 and we had this whole push for like, um, using AI for like reloading until we were 1777 00:56:01,185 --> 00:56:02,385 like, oh no, this is actually dangerous. 1778 00:56:02,385 --> 00:56:03,735 Hold on, don't do this. 1779 00:56:04,065 --> 00:56:06,105 Like, a lot of the charge rates were pretty high. 1780 00:56:06,105 --> 00:56:07,515 We're like, oh, okay, hold on. 1781 00:56:07,515 --> 00:56:09,075 Let's maybe like, let's back this one off. 1782 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:13,545 I, I think AI could be pretty useful for people emailing in 1783 00:56:13,545 --> 00:56:14,925 and saying, I've got this rifle. 1784 00:56:14,925 --> 00:56:14,985 Yeah. 1785 00:56:15,050 --> 00:56:16,275 What, what do you have for that? 1786 00:56:16,275 --> 00:56:19,485 And it can, and as long as you're upfront, right? 1787 00:56:19,545 --> 00:56:19,605 Yeah. 1788 00:56:19,605 --> 00:56:23,265 You're not like trying to say that this is you. 1789 00:56:23,265 --> 00:56:23,275 Right? 1790 00:56:23,275 --> 00:56:23,565 Right. 1791 00:56:23,565 --> 00:56:25,095 This is your own person on board. 1792 00:56:25,095 --> 00:56:27,405 But, um, I know some companies that do that. 1793 00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:29,820 It never seems to go well. 1794 00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:34,050 It'll be like that, uh, that AI research I was telling you about earlier. 1795 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:34,320 Yeah. 1796 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:34,530 Right. 1797 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:36,930 About Jim Shockey. 1798 00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:37,230 It's, 1799 00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:38,670 it's like, oh, scratch that. 1800 00:56:38,755 --> 00:56:39,155 That's right. 1801 00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:42,270 Right in the middle of the podcast, like, ai, how could you lie to me? 1802 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,430 You're so convincing. 1803 00:56:44,850 --> 00:56:47,820 You said it so, so, like, you were so confident when you said it, 1804 00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:50,100 and I asked you 10 different ways. 1805 00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:50,160 Yeah. 1806 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,020 And you kept coming back and doubling down. 1807 00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:53,160 I mean, that's the thing, right? 1808 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,090 Like we, we use ai, um, on the design side and more of like, you know, 1809 00:56:57,090 --> 00:56:58,530 process and report writing mm-hmm. 1810 00:56:58,555 --> 00:56:59,040 And stuff like that, right? 1811 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,550 But I, we went through this whole thing a little while ago and someone said that 1812 00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:05,820 you have to treat it like it's a grad student or a co-op or something, right? 1813 00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:05,830 Mm-hmm. 1814 00:57:05,830 --> 00:57:05,915 It. 1815 00:57:06,455 --> 00:57:10,505 It knows enough to be dangerous, but you have to tell it everything in almost 1816 00:57:10,505 --> 00:57:12,305 extreme detail to get what you want. 1817 00:57:12,634 --> 00:57:16,625 You do and you have to have really harsh guardrails, and then you have to check 1818 00:57:16,625 --> 00:57:18,275 back because it'll push those guardrails. 1819 00:57:18,275 --> 00:57:18,365 Right. 1820 00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:19,505 It'll push the boundaries on it. 1821 00:57:19,685 --> 00:57:19,865 Yeah. 1822 00:57:19,865 --> 00:57:21,035 We're just not there, right? 1823 00:57:21,065 --> 00:57:21,154 Mm-hmm. 1824 00:57:21,154 --> 00:57:23,525 I mean, I think AI's really cool, and I think that it's going to, 1825 00:57:23,674 --> 00:57:25,355 to revolutionize a lot of stuff. 1826 00:57:25,685 --> 00:57:29,315 I think we're trying to put AI in too many things right now, like a smartphone with 1827 00:57:29,315 --> 00:57:31,235 ai and cameras with ai and scopes with ai. 1828 00:57:31,235 --> 00:57:32,075 It's like, okay, cool. 1829 00:57:32,075 --> 00:57:33,785 I guess, but like, do we need that? 1830 00:57:33,785 --> 00:57:35,795 Like, is that actually making your life better? 1831 00:57:35,855 --> 00:57:36,245 Yeah. 1832 00:57:37,654 --> 00:57:38,705 What about suppressors? 1833 00:57:38,705 --> 00:57:40,445 Is that something you guys have thought about? 1834 00:57:41,340 --> 00:57:43,890 Um, yes, it's absolutely something we've thought about. 1835 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:44,190 Hmm. 1836 00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:46,650 Um, it definitely is a rabbit hole. 1837 00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:50,370 We've kind of gone down and a couple different avenues over the years. 1838 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,770 Being a Canadian company definitely makes that harder, right? 1839 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,900 I mean, there's the IP transfer back and forth. 1840 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:55,050 Mm-hmm. 1841 00:57:55,110 --> 00:57:56,880 Um, IAR restricted stuff. 1842 00:57:56,940 --> 00:58:01,320 Um, and then, you know, until Idaho Falls, we didn't have any, uh, US manufacturing. 1843 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,930 So now that we have us manufacturing, it's a bit of a different story. 1844 00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:06,750 But I was actually walking around shot show this year with Martin. 1845 00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:08,100 We ran into each other in the basement. 1846 00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:12,270 We were both kind of on our own little walks, and he said, since January 1st, 1847 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:15,690 and at the time, this was like January 21st in the US there was something like 1848 00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:17,760 160 new suppressor companies registered. 1849 00:58:18,185 --> 00:58:18,535 Crazy, 1850 00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:19,890 crazy. 1851 00:58:20,010 --> 00:58:22,440 And it's because of, you know, the, the laws with the at TF have changed. 1852 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,400 Tax stamps have changed. 1853 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:23,490 Right. 1854 00:58:23,490 --> 00:58:24,270 Lead times have changed. 1855 00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:24,455 And it's like 1856 00:58:24,455 --> 00:58:27,030 still of the tax stamp, just there's no money behind it that 1857 00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:27,450 Exactly. 1858 00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:29,010 And it's like a four day turnaround kind of thing. 1859 00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:29,430 Okay. 1860 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,560 Everybody and their dog is making a suppressor. 1861 00:58:32,609 --> 00:58:34,170 Yeah, I could see that. 1862 00:58:34,259 --> 00:58:37,440 You know, there's a company, one of Europe's largest companies reached 1863 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,890 out to me a while back and said, you know, we've worked with other people in 1864 00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:46,020 different countries and we've provided them information as to how they moved 1865 00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:51,420 from a restrictive standpoint to a, uh, permissive standpoint where they allow it. 1866 00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:54,120 Sometimes it's a wording, sometimes it's stats and blah, blah, blah. 1867 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:55,470 Do you wanna help us? 1868 00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:56,370 Do you wanna work with this? 1869 00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:57,660 I'm like, shit. 1870 00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:59,370 I mean, it's not like I don't have enough things on my plate. 1871 00:59:00,330 --> 00:59:00,569 Right. 1872 00:59:00,569 --> 00:59:00,750 Let's go. 1873 00:59:00,779 --> 00:59:02,490 But, um, yeah, let's do it. 1874 00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:07,589 So, um, they're providing information and we're, I'm playing with AI 1875 00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:09,299 as the best strategies forward. 1876 00:59:09,299 --> 00:59:12,420 'cause it's a political route, which I don't have a ton of experience with, but, 1877 00:59:12,509 --> 00:59:12,839 right. 1878 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,109 Uh, we'll see, we'll, we'll push those things in Canada because 1879 00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:20,040 realistically it doesn't make sense in Canada for their, their current laws. 1880 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,830 And a lot of other countries have figured that out, and the 1881 00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:24,359 states are figuring that out and. 1882 00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:26,160 We will see what happens. 1883 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,500 But I, that's gonna be a long play down the road, if anything 1884 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:29,820 ever does come from that one. 1885 00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:30,330 That's awesome though. 1886 00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:31,920 I mean, like, good on you for fighting the good fight. 1887 00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:34,860 I mean, I really don't think there is enough people, like, I think a 1888 00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:38,280 lot of Canadians complain and moan and, and, you know, go on and say, 1889 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,540 oh, like you said earlier, right? 1890 00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:41,880 Like, oh, the laws are getting so much worse and this, and that and that, 1891 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:43,710 but no one's doing anything about it. 1892 00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:44,040 Right. 1893 00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:47,490 The, the, the amount of people doing something about what they're 1894 00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:51,240 upset about is a tiny drop in the bucket as compared to people who 1895 00:59:51,330 --> 00:59:52,530 are actually just complaining. 1896 00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:53,610 Yeah, I agree. 1897 00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,680 And, you know, everyone's waiting for somebody else to do it. 1898 00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:55,770 Yeah. 1899 00:59:55,770 --> 00:59:57,870 And they'll say, oh, we got your back, we're right behind you. 1900 00:59:57,870 --> 00:59:59,940 And then things go sideways and you look behind you and 1901 00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:00,840 there's, there's nobody there. 1902 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:00,930 Yeah. 1903 01:00:00,930 --> 01:00:01,740 You're all in your own. 1904 01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:02,130 Yeah. 1905 01:00:02,430 --> 01:00:06,690 But I, I think of, uh, like Daniel Bofski, he's an individual from Ontario. 1906 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,665 He's an accountant by trades, so, Hmm. 1907 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:15,210 Analytical and meticulous, and you can just kind of picture 1908 01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:16,740 the, uh, the type of person. 1909 01:00:16,745 --> 01:00:16,775 Yeah. 1910 01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:16,800 Yeah. 1911 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,720 But, uh, that was with, um, requirement for an individual to belong to a 1912 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,350 gun club or arrange in order to, to get an authorization to transport or 1913 01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:26,970 get the restricted license renewed. 1914 01:00:26,970 --> 01:00:28,830 And, uh, we worked with him. 1915 01:00:28,830 --> 01:00:30,150 He became a Silver Court Club member. 1916 01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:34,230 Of course, we did that specifically to fight the, that policy, which was 1917 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:36,810 being treated by law, like it was a law. 1918 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,140 And we were, we've been very successful with that in changing that. 1919 01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:43,440 But he single-handedly went up against the, uh, the chief 1920 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,680 firearms officer went to court and pushed the whole thing through. 1921 01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:51,000 And at some point he's kind of shy, but at some point I'd like to get him on the 1922 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,840 podcast to talk about that, because the power of one person to be able to affect 1923 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,260 change, what he did is he won in court. 1924 01:00:58,620 --> 01:00:58,980 Wow. 1925 01:00:59,010 --> 01:01:04,380 The justice or judge said, look at Chief Firearms Officer, you guys have 1926 01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:08,250 to issue them, their authorization to transport and their new license. 1927 01:01:09,149 --> 01:01:12,089 You can't make a requirement of belonging Gun club arrange. 1928 01:01:12,810 --> 01:01:14,339 And they said, okay, no problem. 1929 01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:17,490 So he leaves and he says, okay, so where's my, where's my license? 1930 01:01:17,759 --> 01:01:19,830 He says, oh, you just gimme a range membership or club 1931 01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:20,819 membership and I'll issue it. 1932 01:01:20,819 --> 01:01:22,500 He said, but the judge said, right. 1933 01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:26,430 So that force him to have to go back into court, and he lost on appeal. 1934 01:01:26,430 --> 01:01:26,460 Oh. 1935 01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:33,060 But the byproduct of that was they didn't want it appealed further and the province 1936 01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:35,370 changed how they handled that whole thing. 1937 01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:36,149 One person. 1938 01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:36,870 Right. 1939 01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:41,520 And that has a, an effect across the other provinces, same thing of, um, 1940 01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:46,680 like in Nova Scotia, they started enacting some very restrictive laws. 1941 01:01:47,669 --> 01:01:50,520 And New Brunswick is like, oh yeah, we're gonna do the same thing. 1942 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,569 Because, because they do it. 1943 01:01:51,569 --> 01:01:54,930 And I, I honestly do believe that some of the eastern provinces 1944 01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:58,080 are used as a testing ground for, uh, unfavorable policy. 1945 01:01:58,290 --> 01:01:58,500 Hmm. 1946 01:01:58,649 --> 01:02:01,500 Like if we look at this, I'm gonna go air brokes and the 1947 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,240 buyback, where do they start This? 1948 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,509 Right. 1949 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:09,360 Um, there's eastern provinces, are he heavily subsidized? 1950 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,870 And anyways, um, so it can go two ways. 1951 01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,450 You can have people go and push something, 1952 01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:15,810 right. 1953 01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:20,010 Which maybe it's got best intentions, maybe it doesn't, I don't know. 1954 01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:24,390 I'm looking at it probably from, from a, uh, a bias perspective, right? 1955 01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:24,400 Right. 1956 01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:28,350 And, um, I, and then other provinces just start picking it up and 1957 01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:30,660 doing the exact same thing and they claim, what do they call it? 1958 01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:31,800 Normative process. 1959 01:02:31,830 --> 01:02:37,110 Mm. And um, mind you, when they tried putting restrictions on a club over 1960 01:02:37,110 --> 01:02:42,390 in New Brunswick, the club fought, the CFO said, but Nova Scotia does it. 1961 01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:44,310 And they're like, is that the only thing you're basing it on 1962 01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:44,700 Right 1963 01:02:44,790 --> 01:02:45,030 out? 1964 01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:45,780 Right. 1965 01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:47,910 Well, I think you touched on something super important there, right? 1966 01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:49,170 Is the power of one. 1967 01:02:49,175 --> 01:02:49,385 Mm-hmm. 1968 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,400 And just one person deciding, Hey, I'm just gonna do this thing, or I'm 1969 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,750 gonna fight this thing, or I'm gonna. 1970 01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:56,070 Whatever it is. 1971 01:02:56,070 --> 01:02:56,220 Right. 1972 01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:58,170 I think that is so critically important. 1973 01:02:58,259 --> 01:02:58,440 Mm-hmm. 1974 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,470 Because I think a lot of people don't understand like how important 1975 01:03:01,470 --> 01:03:05,160 they could actually be or how change making they could be. 1976 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:05,490 Right. 1977 01:03:05,610 --> 01:03:07,890 And I had this, when I started the B-C-P-R-L, I was like, why 1978 01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:09,299 isn't anyone else doing this? 1979 01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:11,070 So I just started doing it. 1980 01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:11,430 Right. 1981 01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:11,440 Right. 1982 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,660 And I think if more people just kind of did that, it would be a different place. 1983 01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:15,810 Right. 1984 01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:16,590 This would be a different country. 1985 01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:17,460 This would be a different world. 1986 01:03:17,490 --> 01:03:18,090 It would be. 1987 01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:22,980 And I, I'm gonna will, I'm willing to bet that when you started B-C-P-R-L Yeah. 1988 01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:24,600 It probably seemed like a daunting task. 1989 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:24,660 Yeah. 1990 01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:26,670 But if you look back on it right now, you're like, yeah, I could 1991 01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:27,660 recreate that in a heartbeat. 1992 01:03:28,049 --> 01:03:28,350 Yeah. 1993 01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:29,549 I wish I'd done a bunch of stuff differently. 1994 01:03:29,759 --> 01:03:29,970 Right. 1995 01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:30,540 Totally 1996 01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:30,720 right. 1997 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:30,779 Yeah. 1998 01:03:30,785 --> 01:03:33,180 But it's like it, I was just some guy, right? 1999 01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:33,270 Yeah. 2000 01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:34,980 It was 20, what was it, 2018? 2001 01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:37,440 I would've been like 23 years old, right? 2002 01:03:37,445 --> 01:03:37,455 Mm-hmm. 2003 01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:38,460 I would've been just like, okay, cool. 2004 01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:40,470 Like, you know, no one's telling me no. 2005 01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:43,800 I haven't got permission from anyone, I'm just gonna go do this. 2006 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:43,980 Right? 2007 01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:45,300 Like, what's the worst that could happen? 2008 01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:47,520 And I mean, I think that's maybe a mindset thing, right? 2009 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,460 I don't think anyone's, not everybody's built that way, but there's a ton 2010 01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:54,360 of people that I think are, and just aren't utilizing that, right? 2011 01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:55,650 I think a lot of people are afraid. 2012 01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:56,010 Sure. 2013 01:03:56,010 --> 01:03:59,700 And I think a lot of people just like, it's, it's hard to do 2014 01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:00,655 something you've never done before. 2015 01:04:00,835 --> 01:04:02,310 You don't want to go in there and fail. 2016 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,920 Oh, but look at all these things I gotta lose. 2017 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,150 What if they raid my house? 2018 01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:08,640 'cause I'm pushing in the wrong way, or I piss the wrong person 2019 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:09,810 off, or whatever it might be. 2020 01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:16,200 And what I, I try really hard with this podcast to explain to people and 2021 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,280 help 'em realize the level of personal agency that each and every person has. 2022 01:04:20,310 --> 01:04:20,610 Sure. 2023 01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:25,980 And now with ai, holy Crow, set up an AI project folder, input whatever 2024 01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:27,360 laws, whatever things you want. 2025 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,830 I want to talk to my mp. 2026 01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:30,210 I want to talk to my MLA. 2027 01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:30,735 Right, right. 2028 01:04:30,735 --> 01:04:32,100 And here's what I want to achieve. 2029 01:04:32,595 --> 01:04:35,355 I want you to look at it as if you are defense counsel, 2030 01:04:35,355 --> 01:04:36,525 as if you're crown counsel. 2031 01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:36,630 Right? 2032 01:04:36,634 --> 01:04:38,085 As if you're a master negotiator. 2033 01:04:38,085 --> 01:04:40,065 As if you're a civil servant. 2034 01:04:40,065 --> 01:04:42,555 Like what, what's, what are their concerns gonna be? 2035 01:04:42,555 --> 01:04:42,765 Right? 2036 01:04:42,765 --> 01:04:46,155 And then you can start drafting something and, and you can tweak 2037 01:04:46,155 --> 01:04:47,265 it and look and send it off. 2038 01:04:47,265 --> 01:04:51,134 You get something back, plug it back into ai, okay, where's my exposure? 2039 01:04:51,134 --> 01:04:52,605 What are they really trying to say here? 2040 01:04:52,605 --> 01:04:52,875 Right? 2041 01:04:53,115 --> 01:04:58,095 And it's one way to help keep the hot headedness out and keep 2042 01:04:58,095 --> 01:04:59,805 things organized and in direction. 2043 01:05:00,134 --> 01:05:03,525 So I, I think if people are listening to this and they're like, man, I really 2044 01:05:03,525 --> 01:05:08,265 want to stir up my own precision rifle league in my state or in my province. 2045 01:05:08,295 --> 01:05:08,535 Yeah. 2046 01:05:09,134 --> 01:05:10,785 That's personally what I would do. 2047 01:05:10,815 --> 01:05:12,925 'cause then it's all easy, it's organized, right? 2048 01:05:13,005 --> 01:05:16,515 You have a process to go forward with, or if you want to affect change for 2049 01:05:16,515 --> 01:05:18,105 laws or, or whatever it might be, 2050 01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:18,190 right? 2051 01:05:19,095 --> 01:05:21,615 Or, I mean like, I think another important thing there as well is like, 2052 01:05:21,705 --> 01:05:23,265 there's a lot of resources, right? 2053 01:05:23,505 --> 01:05:27,375 You know, I think in 20 12, 20 15, like when a lot of Precision Rifle was like, 2054 01:05:27,375 --> 01:05:29,805 I'm just taking it back to Precision Rifle for what I know, but when that 2055 01:05:29,805 --> 01:05:32,115 was all really new, like there wasn't a lot of people to talk to, right? 2056 01:05:32,115 --> 01:05:33,495 There wasn't lot of people to ask questions to. 2057 01:05:33,674 --> 01:05:36,075 And so when I started, I just called the guys who were running the Alberta 2058 01:05:36,075 --> 01:05:37,305 matches, and I was like, what do I do? 2059 01:05:37,305 --> 01:05:37,665 Right? 2060 01:05:37,815 --> 01:05:38,265 Awesome. 2061 01:05:38,265 --> 01:05:39,225 How do I do this? 2062 01:05:39,285 --> 01:05:40,634 What, how do I get started? 2063 01:05:40,634 --> 01:05:41,505 I didn't know them, right? 2064 01:05:41,505 --> 01:05:43,484 I just got, you know, a friend of a friend kind of thing. 2065 01:05:43,815 --> 01:05:46,395 But now, like, I mean, there's videos on this, right? 2066 01:05:46,395 --> 01:05:49,185 There are, there's so much resources and there's so much. 2067 01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:51,930 Um, you know, if you want to run a precision rifle mat, if 2068 01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:52,950 you wanna run a league, right? 2069 01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:54,450 There are so many people that are willing to help you. 2070 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,790 But yeah, if you want to affect change, if you wanna go to 2071 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,800 government, you know sure, absolutely. 2072 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,590 AI is a great tool and also you can just reach out to people. 2073 01:06:01,590 --> 01:06:01,860 Right. 2074 01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:02,790 I like that. 2075 01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:07,380 I like that one a lot because a lot of people miss, like the fastest shortcut 2076 01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:09,990 to doing what you want to do is reach out to people who've already done it. 2077 01:06:10,290 --> 01:06:10,440 Right. 2078 01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:12,990 Look for mentors who are better at it than you. 2079 01:06:12,990 --> 01:06:13,080 Right. 2080 01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:16,770 And you're gonna be able to shortcut your, your way through it. 2081 01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:20,850 I remember when I was in grade 11 and we had to do a book report 2082 01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:22,890 on Shoeless job by WP Kinsella, 2083 01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:23,310 okay. 2084 01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:25,440 Of which Field of Dreams was based off of 2085 01:06:25,530 --> 01:06:25,830 Gotcha. 2086 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,820 And a typical style. 2087 01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:29,850 I did nothing until the very last minute and then I'm like, wait a 2088 01:06:29,850 --> 01:06:32,100 minute, this guy's a local author. 2089 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,660 Maybe I can track him down. 2090 01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:36,270 He's out in hope and so I look it up. 2091 01:06:36,270 --> 01:06:36,510 No. 2092 01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:39,300 Now he's moved down to South Surrey and I was able to sleuth him down 2093 01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:40,710 to South Surrey White Rock area. 2094 01:06:41,490 --> 01:06:42,089 Call him up. 2095 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,169 He's got a voice recording. 2096 01:06:43,169 --> 01:06:46,919 Oh, I'm, I'm out in wherever he was, Florida or Hawaii and Sure. 2097 01:06:46,919 --> 01:06:49,560 Somewhere, 'cause like he ended up getting him on the beach and uh, 2098 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,810 and he left his forwarding number. 2099 01:06:52,379 --> 01:06:54,240 That was my whole book report done right there. 2100 01:06:54,270 --> 01:06:57,299 I got an A on it and it took me like the night before. 2101 01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:58,200 And how did I do it? 2102 01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,790 Because I just called the author up and 2103 01:07:00,509 --> 01:07:02,009 I bet you you had the best report too. 2104 01:07:02,009 --> 01:07:03,779 Like your teacher was probably like blown away. 2105 01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:04,020 Oh yeah. 2106 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:05,640 He is using all these baseball metaphors. 2107 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,000 You like try to fly one over a left field, RE you know, because he like, he 2108 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,649 just loved this book and he loved it. 2109 01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:12,450 I'm like, look at, you can call him yourself. 2110 01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:13,319 Here's his phone number. 2111 01:07:13,319 --> 01:07:13,560 Right. 2112 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:13,709 That's 2113 01:07:13,859 --> 01:07:14,069 awesome. 2114 01:07:14,535 --> 01:07:17,175 And, uh, and in fact, uh, it was his girlfriend who picked 2115 01:07:17,175 --> 01:07:18,615 up, it wasn't his wife and her. 2116 01:07:18,615 --> 01:07:19,845 All, all these different things. 2117 01:07:20,175 --> 01:07:23,655 He, it, the bio in the back is outdated or wrong and 2118 01:07:23,745 --> 01:07:24,285 Wow. 2119 01:07:24,495 --> 01:07:27,705 But, um, calling somebody else up, who actually knows. 2120 01:07:27,765 --> 01:07:28,095 Yeah. 2121 01:07:28,395 --> 01:07:32,415 Well it's, you know, it's, you know, it, it's the experience built 2122 01:07:32,415 --> 01:07:33,705 on the shoulders of giants, right? 2123 01:07:33,735 --> 01:07:33,825 Mm-hmm. 2124 01:07:33,825 --> 01:07:36,495 Or, you know, leveraging those who have gone before you, right? 2125 01:07:36,495 --> 01:07:39,885 And there this is, I think this is just a metaphor for life, right? 2126 01:07:39,885 --> 01:07:39,975 Mm-hmm. 2127 01:07:39,975 --> 01:07:44,685 There's so much to be gained by just shutting up listening and every now 2128 01:07:44,685 --> 01:07:46,215 and then, ask a question, right? 2129 01:07:46,215 --> 01:07:46,225 Mm-hmm. 2130 01:07:46,305 --> 01:07:50,355 And I, and I, I think that part of why I've become successful is 2131 01:07:50,505 --> 01:07:51,615 because of exactly this, right? 2132 01:07:51,615 --> 01:07:55,305 Like, yes, I've been lucky in a lot of aspects and I've had a lot of, um, 2133 01:07:55,365 --> 01:07:57,375 times where I've just kind of been in the right place at the right time. 2134 01:07:57,375 --> 01:08:01,635 But knowing when to just listen to someone who's gone there and they're 2135 01:08:01,635 --> 01:08:04,155 giving you free advice is invaluable. 2136 01:08:04,485 --> 01:08:05,325 Isn't it funny? 2137 01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:07,215 The harder you work, the luckier you get? 2138 01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:09,315 Yeah. 2139 01:08:09,405 --> 01:08:09,645 Yeah. 2140 01:08:09,645 --> 01:08:10,305 I mean, absolutely. 2141 01:08:10,305 --> 01:08:12,105 There's a, there is definitely something to that. 2142 01:08:12,315 --> 01:08:15,345 I'm not sure I really believe in luck, but I do believe in being able 2143 01:08:15,345 --> 01:08:18,465 to capitalize on opportunities and being able to recognize 'em when you 2144 01:08:18,465 --> 01:08:23,145 see them and create them for yourself by how you comport yourself by the 2145 01:08:23,145 --> 01:08:24,435 circles that you want to run in. 2146 01:08:25,064 --> 01:08:27,585 And you talk about shoulders of giants. 2147 01:08:27,825 --> 01:08:31,035 There's something interesting that I found about MDT that I don't think it's 2148 01:08:31,035 --> 01:08:33,615 talked about very much, but I notice it. 2149 01:08:33,615 --> 01:08:37,035 There seems to be a faith-based culture Yeah. 2150 01:08:37,245 --> 01:08:38,175 Behind the company. 2151 01:08:38,564 --> 01:08:43,484 It's not in your face, but I, I pick it up in interactions and I 2152 01:08:43,484 --> 01:08:45,194 pick it up in, in different ways. 2153 01:08:45,255 --> 01:08:45,555 Yeah. 2154 01:08:46,365 --> 01:08:47,145 Tell me about this. 2155 01:08:47,175 --> 01:08:47,415 Yeah. 2156 01:08:47,415 --> 01:08:49,845 It's not, I mean, it's not something we're shy about. 2157 01:08:49,904 --> 01:08:50,145 Sure. 2158 01:08:50,685 --> 01:08:50,985 And, but you're 2159 01:08:51,705 --> 01:08:53,055 not pumping it down people's throats. 2160 01:08:53,115 --> 01:08:53,625 No, exactly. 2161 01:08:53,625 --> 01:08:56,325 I mean, you know, every, every year we send out Christmas cards 2162 01:08:56,325 --> 01:08:57,345 and we put scripture in there. 2163 01:08:57,350 --> 01:08:57,410 Mm-hmm. 2164 01:08:57,490 --> 01:08:57,690 Mm-hmm. 2165 01:08:57,915 --> 01:09:00,105 You know, we, we make posts and we put scripture in there. 2166 01:09:00,105 --> 01:09:00,165 Yeah. 2167 01:09:00,255 --> 01:09:04,455 Um, and it's, uh, it's something we're proud of and it's definitely something 2168 01:09:04,455 --> 01:09:05,625 that's part of the organization. 2169 01:09:06,015 --> 01:09:07,725 Um, and it's not everybody, right? 2170 01:09:07,725 --> 01:09:10,035 I mean, everybody has their own backgrounds and everybody has their own, 2171 01:09:10,575 --> 01:09:13,815 um, you know, walks of life and, and it's not a prerequisite for working there 2172 01:09:13,815 --> 01:09:15,825 at by any means, I'll tell you that. 2173 01:09:16,245 --> 01:09:21,135 Um, but, um, yeah, I mean, I, I think that's, I'm gonna go and be 2174 01:09:21,135 --> 01:09:23,115 a little bit biased here right now, but I think that that's part of 2175 01:09:23,115 --> 01:09:25,065 what makes MDT kind of incredible 2176 01:09:25,155 --> 01:09:25,335 mm-hmm. 2177 01:09:25,395 --> 01:09:30,255 Is the characters and the, the faith that a lot of us share. 2178 01:09:30,345 --> 01:09:34,815 Um, and a lot of us, um, practice is what part of what makes 2179 01:09:35,055 --> 01:09:39,465 MDTs management and MDTs people really just solidly good humans. 2180 01:09:39,465 --> 01:09:39,645 Right. 2181 01:09:40,155 --> 01:09:42,885 Um, and I'm not saying that you have to be a Christian to 2182 01:09:42,885 --> 01:09:44,115 be just a solidly good human. 2183 01:09:44,115 --> 01:09:47,475 I'm just saying that I think that that's a really important aspect 2184 01:09:47,475 --> 01:09:50,115 of why we are where we are is. 2185 01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:53,580 Living out some of those values and living well, all of those values 2186 01:09:53,580 --> 01:09:56,730 and, and making sure that, you know, when we are doing something, we're 2187 01:09:56,730 --> 01:09:57,750 doing it for the right reasons. 2188 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,180 You know, we're not just out here to make money. 2189 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:01,920 I mean, obviously that's part of it, but sure. 2190 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,840 We wanna build the best product. 2191 01:10:03,870 --> 01:10:04,980 Why do we wanna build the best product? 2192 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,440 Well, to help people shoot better or to help 'em train better or 2193 01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:09,210 to help them achieve their job. 2194 01:10:09,210 --> 01:10:09,220 Right. 2195 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,740 I mean, you know, there's, there's so many aspects to what we do and, 2196 01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:19,080 um, yeah, I mean, faith, faith is absolutely a, a, a big part of 2197 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,360 why MDTI think is so successful. 2198 01:10:21,665 --> 01:10:25,650 I, I, from an outsider perspective, I'd say I'd, I'd agree with that. 2199 01:10:25,650 --> 01:10:25,890 Mm-hmm. 2200 01:10:26,370 --> 01:10:29,490 You know, everyone talks about how diversity is our strength. 2201 01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:29,850 Right. 2202 01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:31,290 I haven't seen that. 2203 01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:33,270 I haven't seen a football team get together and say, 2204 01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:34,500 everyone do your own thing. 2205 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:34,860 Right. 2206 01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:35,850 This is all gonna work out. 2207 01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:36,750 We're gonna be stronger. 2208 01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:37,950 'cause you're all doing something else. 2209 01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:38,190 Yeah. 2210 01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:40,410 If people are singing from the same song sheet, if they 2211 01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:42,180 have a shared understanding. 2212 01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:42,420 Right. 2213 01:10:42,420 --> 01:10:46,920 And faith can provide, you know, there's lots of faith out there and. 2214 01:10:47,775 --> 01:10:51,075 Most of them will come right back to the same core values. 2215 01:10:51,075 --> 01:10:51,165 Right. 2216 01:10:51,495 --> 01:10:57,015 And, and being able to operate from a shared understanding is, I think 2217 01:10:57,015 --> 01:10:58,785 a, uh, a position of strength. 2218 01:10:59,235 --> 01:10:59,865 How, um. 2219 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,710 W was faith a big part of your life prior to MDT? 2220 01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:08,940 Yeah, so I mean, I, um, I grew up in a Christian household. 2221 01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,390 My mom was, was very, uh, Christian and, uh, that definitely had 2222 01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:13,560 some impacts of us growing up. 2223 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,420 You know, we couldn't play Pokemon, we couldn't watch a 2224 01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:18,870 bunch of scary movies around, uh, Halloween time and stuff like that. 2225 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:19,110 But 2226 01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:20,400 did Pokemon anti-Christian? 2227 01:11:20,595 --> 01:11:20,955 I didn't know. 2228 01:11:21,075 --> 01:11:21,635 I guess, I don't know. 2229 01:11:21,635 --> 01:11:22,435 Yeah, fair enough. 2230 01:11:22,435 --> 01:11:24,360 I mean, she has to try to ban little plastic toy guns for me 2231 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,915 and took on how worked out Yes. 2232 01:11:26,405 --> 01:11:27,675 Completely backfired. 2233 01:11:27,705 --> 01:11:27,995 Yeah. 2234 01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:28,380 Right. 2235 01:11:28,830 --> 01:11:31,980 Um, so yeah, no, I, I grew up in a, in a, in a Christian household, but the 2236 01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:34,830 one thing I really respect about my mom and the way she brought us up is 2237 01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,400 exactly the same thing that you just said, where it was never forced on us. 2238 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,770 It was never something that was like, okay, this is the way it's 2239 01:11:40,770 --> 01:11:41,940 gonna be and there's no other choice. 2240 01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:42,120 Right? 2241 01:11:42,125 --> 01:11:44,850 Mm. Um, and my dad, you know, he's a believer, but he's not 2242 01:11:44,850 --> 01:11:47,790 very, I wouldn't say he's like, he doesn't actively go to church every 2243 01:11:47,790 --> 01:11:48,990 weekend and, and all that stuff. 2244 01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:52,170 Mm. Um, but it was one of those things that, you know, we were encouraged to 2245 01:11:52,170 --> 01:11:53,820 have a relationship with the Lord, right. 2246 01:11:53,820 --> 01:11:56,040 And to have, and to be open with our faith, but it was never, 2247 01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:58,170 it was never forced on us. 2248 01:11:58,170 --> 01:11:58,440 Right? 2249 01:11:58,440 --> 01:11:58,560 Mm-hmm. 2250 01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,675 And it was never, and that, and. 2251 01:12:00,420 --> 01:12:04,170 I think as a, a modern Christian, that's very important, right? 2252 01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:07,500 I think that the dogmatic, like, you have to do this, you have to do this, 2253 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:10,140 this is, you know, if you don't do this, you're sinning kind of thing. 2254 01:12:10,140 --> 01:12:14,850 I think that's a really, um, negative light on a lot of faith, right? 2255 01:12:14,855 --> 01:12:14,885 Mm-hmm. 2256 01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:19,770 And the, the religions that get really beat down a lot are usually those 2257 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:21,600 ones that are extremely dogmatic Sure. 2258 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,620 And extremely conservative. 2259 01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:22,890 Right. 2260 01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:28,110 Um, so yeah, I was brought up in a, in a Christian household and, um, when 2261 01:12:28,110 --> 01:12:32,070 my mom passed away a couple years ago, I went through a really rough time. 2262 01:12:32,190 --> 01:12:36,390 Um, and I got really angry in all, in all honesty, and I got really frustrated 2263 01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:40,320 and I, I blamed the Lord for a lot of things and I, I strayed a lot and 2264 01:12:40,405 --> 01:12:42,180 I, I went through a really dark time. 2265 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:42,750 Um. 2266 01:12:43,799 --> 01:12:48,750 And just recently I've, uh, I've kind of come back, I've come full 2267 01:12:48,750 --> 01:12:51,990 circle and, um, you know, a lot of things that my mom taught me when I 2268 01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:55,110 was little and a lot of things that, uh, you know, words I heard but never 2269 01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:56,519 really heard kind of thing, and Right. 2270 01:12:56,519 --> 01:12:58,440 Songs I listened to but never really thought about. 2271 01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:01,379 Like, they're starting to really reflect a lot differently. 2272 01:13:01,379 --> 01:13:05,670 And, um, you know, I, I know she would be really proud of, of where I am now. 2273 01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:09,690 And, um, my faith journey has been, has been in credible. 2274 01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,750 Um, and you know, we kind of talked about luck a little bit earlier, and 2275 01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:16,589 I really do believe that there's been so much that happened the last six 2276 01:13:16,589 --> 01:13:21,690 months of my life that it is completely inexplicable that some could call it luck. 2277 01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:24,839 And I've just, I've, at this point, I believe it's just God's plan. 2278 01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:28,860 I think I'm supposed to be where I am because it's the plan he's got for me. 2279 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,080 Did you wanna talk about what's happened in the last six months? 2280 01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:32,820 I don't wanna go into too much detail. 2281 01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:33,460 Okay. 2282 01:13:33,599 --> 01:13:33,900 Okay. 2283 01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:34,889 But, um, yeah. 2284 01:13:34,889 --> 01:13:37,985 Ever since the, ever since the World Championship, that was last, uh, August. 2285 01:13:37,985 --> 01:13:37,995 Yeah. 2286 01:13:38,684 --> 01:13:38,905 Uh. 2287 01:13:40,365 --> 01:13:42,705 I've just had a pretty transformative experience. 2288 01:13:42,765 --> 01:13:48,375 Um, just had a major, uh, end to one relationship and a beginning of another. 2289 01:13:48,375 --> 01:13:54,105 And, um, really understanding that, um, sometimes you have to have the 2290 01:13:54,105 --> 01:13:56,175 old versions of yourself die to grow. 2291 01:13:56,745 --> 01:13:56,775 Mm. 2292 01:13:56,865 --> 01:14:01,665 And sometimes it's just really important to go through the trials 2293 01:14:02,445 --> 01:14:04,935 because it shows you the parts of yourself that you just don't need. 2294 01:14:05,205 --> 01:14:05,475 Right? 2295 01:14:05,475 --> 01:14:09,645 Mm. Or parts of yourself that you thought you needed and you thought you clung onto. 2296 01:14:09,645 --> 01:14:11,085 But really that's not what's important. 2297 01:14:11,985 --> 01:14:15,045 Mm. Um, and yeah, it's been, uh, it's been a hard, a hard winner. 2298 01:14:15,135 --> 01:14:18,225 Um, I think people who know me well know kind of what I've been going through. 2299 01:14:18,825 --> 01:14:20,595 Um, but it's been really good. 2300 01:14:20,655 --> 01:14:24,285 It's been, it's been super illuminating and I've been surrounded by, 2301 01:14:24,405 --> 01:14:26,115 um, the tourist friends, right. 2302 01:14:26,115 --> 01:14:28,545 People who I know are, are really good. 2303 01:14:28,695 --> 01:14:32,175 Um, and it's, it's been, it's been an interesting 2304 01:14:32,205 --> 01:14:33,165 transformation, let's say that. 2305 01:14:34,650 --> 01:14:36,030 Well, I'm happy to hear that. 2306 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:37,650 I am happy to hear that. 2307 01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:38,380 Thank you. 2308 01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:42,240 And you know, the parts of you that need to die, I mean, that's 2309 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,510 never an easy process and it's not supposed to be an easy process. 2310 01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:45,870 No. 2311 01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:51,390 And I think when you take it from that, uh, perspective, it makes it easier to 2312 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,340 appreciate when things are hard, that something beneficial will come out of it. 2313 01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:56,820 Right. 2314 01:14:56,970 --> 01:15:00,930 I know, um, a good friend of mine, Jay Bud, and he talks about, um, he's 2315 01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:05,370 been open about, he's a sniper with a British army and talk about PTSD and 2316 01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:09,240 mental health issues and the rest, and he's a good firefighter and now 2317 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,115 a guide, high ranking mountain guide. 2318 01:15:14,055 --> 01:15:17,490 And, uh, he says, you know, I, I just liken it to. 2319 01:15:18,375 --> 01:15:21,255 When you're in the mountains and the storm's coming in and you put your 2320 01:15:21,255 --> 01:15:24,434 shelter and it's just beating you down and you get the worst sleep ever. 2321 01:15:24,434 --> 01:15:27,434 And it's just, it feels like it's never gonna end. 2322 01:15:27,495 --> 01:15:31,155 And I just have to remind myself that the best bluebird days on the 2323 01:15:31,155 --> 01:15:34,184 mountain often come after that storm. 2324 01:15:34,275 --> 01:15:34,635 Right. 2325 01:15:34,665 --> 01:15:38,325 And the same thing applies in his life and interesting. 2326 01:15:38,835 --> 01:15:39,165 Yep. 2327 01:15:39,315 --> 01:15:39,465 Yeah. 2328 01:15:39,465 --> 01:15:43,065 I was on a plane a little while ago and for whatever reason I was looking out and 2329 01:15:43,065 --> 01:15:46,724 it was earlier, I've taken so many stupid 5:00 AM flights outta Seattle recently. 2330 01:15:46,934 --> 01:15:49,035 I've probably like seven or eight of them in a row. 2331 01:15:49,035 --> 01:15:49,365 It's, oh man. 2332 01:15:49,695 --> 01:15:51,495 For whatever reason, I just keep doing that flight. 2333 01:15:51,495 --> 01:15:54,495 And I was flying down and I was, I was looking out the window and the thing 2334 01:15:54,495 --> 01:15:57,434 that kept coming to mind was like the darkest, the night is darkest before the 2335 01:15:57,434 --> 01:16:00,195 dawn and it really, really stuck with me. 2336 01:16:00,195 --> 01:16:01,575 And it's one of those things that's, um. 2337 01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:04,019 I've heard a lot of interesting sayings over the last little while, 2338 01:16:04,019 --> 01:16:05,370 but that one, that one stuck. 2339 01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:06,389 And I was like, you know what? 2340 01:16:06,839 --> 01:16:09,299 When it's dawn and when it's daytime, man, I'm gonna be happy. 2341 01:16:10,769 --> 01:16:11,879 Well, that's a great perspective. 2342 01:16:11,879 --> 01:16:14,490 'cause then you, when you're in it and it's dark and things 2343 01:16:14,490 --> 01:16:15,870 are bad, it feels like forever. 2344 01:16:15,870 --> 01:16:15,929 Yeah. 2345 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,290 And it feels like it's never gonna, it's overwhelming and 2346 01:16:19,290 --> 01:16:19,589 Yeah. 2347 01:16:20,009 --> 01:16:24,929 Um, knowing that maybe, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, 2348 01:16:24,929 --> 01:16:26,969 but, but it's gonna get better. 2349 01:16:27,179 --> 01:16:27,360 Yep. 2350 01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:28,950 Uh, I think helps a lot. 2351 01:16:30,059 --> 01:16:31,049 What's the future for you? 2352 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:33,690 There's a lot. 2353 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:34,919 Yeah, there's a, there's a lot. 2354 01:16:34,919 --> 01:16:37,740 I mean, I think, uh, the next little while there's a lot of 2355 01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:38,910 shooting going on right now. 2356 01:16:39,059 --> 01:16:40,320 Um, there's a lot of competing. 2357 01:16:40,379 --> 01:16:45,120 So I'm currently on the run up to my fourth consecutive world championships. 2358 01:16:45,269 --> 01:16:45,330 Wow. 2359 01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:47,490 I'm gonna shoot that one in Texas for Team Canada. 2360 01:16:47,940 --> 01:16:48,990 Uh, with a 3 0 8. 2361 01:16:49,139 --> 01:16:50,940 I'm on the, the limited team again, so 2362 01:16:51,025 --> 01:16:51,315 Okay. 2363 01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:51,719 Yeah. 2364 01:16:51,719 --> 01:16:53,190 This whole year I'm shooting 3 0 8. 2365 01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:54,599 I'm traveling around the country shooting 3 0 8. 2366 01:16:54,599 --> 01:16:54,719 There's 2367 01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:55,799 nothing wrong with 3 0 8. 2368 01:16:55,860 --> 01:16:56,969 Well, it's not great. 2369 01:16:58,679 --> 01:16:59,009 It works. 2370 01:16:59,009 --> 01:16:59,669 What do you like shooting? 2371 01:16:59,669 --> 01:17:00,959 Usually you're six Dasher. 2372 01:17:00,959 --> 01:17:01,799 I shoot six dasher. 2373 01:17:01,799 --> 01:17:02,160 Yeah. 2374 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:02,170 Yeah. 2375 01:17:02,190 --> 01:17:02,459 Yeah. 2376 01:17:02,490 --> 01:17:05,400 So going to a 3 0 8 is a lot more bullet mass and a lot 2377 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,849 more recoil, but, uh mm-hmm. 2378 01:17:06,849 --> 01:17:08,309 And a lot less wind forgiveness. 2379 01:17:08,339 --> 01:17:08,639 Mm-hmm. 2380 01:17:08,639 --> 01:17:11,040 It's kinda like shooting a hyped up 22 is what I feel like. 2381 01:17:13,019 --> 01:17:15,299 Um, so yeah, I mean, shooting is gonna be a big one. 2382 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,280 I'm, uh, I'm doing. 2383 01:17:17,730 --> 01:17:19,260 I'm, I'm learning a bunch of stuff right now. 2384 01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:20,610 Stuff I wish I had learned last time. 2385 01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:22,590 I had, uh, done the Center for our World Championships. 2386 01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:26,790 So the goal this year is to, to get Canada on the podium for, um, 2387 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,769 limited division to get us up there. 2388 01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:30,210 Uh, we have a, we have a strong team. 2389 01:17:30,210 --> 01:17:31,380 We have a bunch of really good guys. 2390 01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:34,260 Personally, I would love to get an individual medal, but a team 2391 01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:37,410 medal, um, would be awesome to get us on, on the top three. 2392 01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:40,860 Um, PRSI mean, you know, it's, it's fun. 2393 01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:42,960 I'm not necessarily too worried about where I end up in the, 2394 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:43,950 in the season this year. 2395 01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:46,710 I'm just really focused on the, on the world championships and then 2396 01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:48,809 qualifying for the following year. 2397 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,130 Uh, we're gonna have the World Rim Fire Championship in Lithuania. 2398 01:17:53,519 --> 01:17:54,120 Holy crap. 2399 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:54,990 Have you ever been there before? 2400 01:17:55,139 --> 01:17:55,889 Never been to Lithuania, 2401 01:17:55,889 --> 01:17:56,040 no. 2402 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:56,460 Me neither. 2403 01:17:56,460 --> 01:17:56,730 Yep. 2404 01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,030 Nope. 2405 01:17:57,150 --> 01:17:57,780 I mean, so I be 2406 01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:58,380 an adventure. 2407 01:17:58,500 --> 01:17:59,730 That will be an adventure for sure. 2408 01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:02,070 So the first Rimfire World Championship took me to Italy. 2409 01:18:02,099 --> 01:18:03,750 The second one's taken me to the uk. 2410 01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:03,809 Yeah. 2411 01:18:03,809 --> 01:18:04,980 And then now this one Lithuania. 2412 01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:05,644 So, huh. 2413 01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:07,470 I'm, uh, I'm in the running for the team. 2414 01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:09,690 I've got some pretty good results, so I'm pretty happy about that. 2415 01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:15,030 Um, the goal is to qualify and then honestly, after that, I don't know, 2416 01:18:15,180 --> 01:18:17,820 I don't know where, I don't know where shooting's gonna take me. 2417 01:18:17,820 --> 01:18:22,920 I'm, I'm, I'm cognizant of the fact that I'm not gonna do this forever. 2418 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:23,430 Mm. 2419 01:18:23,490 --> 01:18:25,440 I know that I'm not gonna compete at this level forever. 2420 01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:25,769 Mm. 2421 01:18:25,950 --> 01:18:28,740 I know that at some point I definitely will slow down and 2422 01:18:28,740 --> 01:18:29,970 I need, I need to slow down. 2423 01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:32,460 Um, but it's when Right. 2424 01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:34,620 It's always the, it's always the question of when. 2425 01:18:34,650 --> 01:18:38,370 So I think that the next two years are gonna be really heavy on shooting. 2426 01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:38,700 Mm. 2427 01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:41,190 Um, and, you know, transferring that knowledge training and, 2428 01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:44,519 and, uh, working MBT and, and continuing to kind of grow there. 2429 01:18:44,519 --> 01:18:47,160 And then after that, I might slow down on the international 2430 01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,230 side and focus more locally. 2431 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,085 So what are you running for your rim fire? 2432 01:18:53,025 --> 01:18:56,085 Uh, I run a, a fully custom, crazy looking gun. 2433 01:18:56,115 --> 01:18:58,605 Uh, it's a Zermatt arms Rex. 2434 01:18:58,815 --> 01:19:00,615 Mm. Uh, so it's a 700 footprint. 2435 01:19:00,675 --> 01:19:03,315 Uh, it's got an IBI barrel on it as all my guns do. 2436 01:19:03,435 --> 01:19:03,705 Yeah. 2437 01:19:03,855 --> 01:19:06,945 Uh, I just put a vortex, razor gen three on there, so the scope's worth 2438 01:19:06,945 --> 01:19:08,685 more than most people's total guns. 2439 01:19:09,405 --> 01:19:11,655 Uh, a CC elite just got put on there as well. 2440 01:19:11,655 --> 01:19:12,705 The build's actually really cool. 2441 01:19:12,705 --> 01:19:13,725 I just finished it up recently. 2442 01:19:13,725 --> 01:19:15,525 It's got a crazy paint scheme on it. 2443 01:19:15,615 --> 01:19:19,095 Um, so yeah, it was, uh, actually a really weird experience putting that 2444 01:19:19,095 --> 01:19:23,745 gun together because it was the first time in, I can't even remember how 2445 01:19:23,745 --> 01:19:28,395 long that I had taken a chassis out of the box, like true proper retail 2446 01:19:28,395 --> 01:19:30,735 packaging that I had fully designed and 2447 01:19:31,095 --> 01:19:31,725 Oh, that's cool. 2448 01:19:31,815 --> 01:19:33,765 It was a kind of surreal experience, right. 2449 01:19:33,765 --> 01:19:35,205 Like I, I took it out and I looked at everything. 2450 01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:36,675 I was like, yeah, I, I did this. 2451 01:19:36,675 --> 01:19:36,855 Right. 2452 01:19:36,855 --> 01:19:39,855 This is now like, this is a CCC number, whatever, X amount of 2453 01:19:39,855 --> 01:19:41,055 thousand red that are being produced. 2454 01:19:41,085 --> 01:19:41,145 Yeah. 2455 01:19:41,150 --> 01:19:43,725 But I have the very first prototype, which is on my other gun. 2456 01:19:43,965 --> 01:19:44,835 That is so cool. 2457 01:19:44,865 --> 01:19:45,255 Yeah. 2458 01:19:45,255 --> 01:19:47,805 And it was, uh, it was a weird one being like, okay, I'm gonna put 2459 01:19:47,805 --> 01:19:50,625 all these things together and just stuff that I've made over the years. 2460 01:19:50,625 --> 01:19:50,775 Right. 2461 01:19:50,775 --> 01:19:51,945 To make my. 2462 01:19:52,635 --> 01:19:56,715 You know, world championship contending gun, um, go shoot. 2463 01:19:56,715 --> 01:19:57,015 Right. 2464 01:19:57,015 --> 01:20:00,285 And it's, it's, uh, it was a, it was a cool like almost 2465 01:20:00,285 --> 01:20:01,545 imposter syndrome moment, right. 2466 01:20:01,635 --> 01:20:01,965 Really? 2467 01:20:01,965 --> 01:20:02,175 Yeah. 2468 01:20:02,175 --> 01:20:04,245 I kinda just been like, I, I made this. 2469 01:20:04,245 --> 01:20:04,695 Are you sure? 2470 01:20:04,695 --> 01:20:06,105 Like me? 2471 01:20:06,105 --> 01:20:06,915 Like cool. 2472 01:20:06,945 --> 01:20:07,575 Yeah, I guess. 2473 01:20:07,845 --> 01:20:11,025 But, um, yeah, it's, it's a fully built custom 22 and it's, uh, 2474 01:20:11,265 --> 01:20:13,545 it looks like a lot of other PRS guns you're gonna see out there. 2475 01:20:13,785 --> 01:20:14,385 Fair enough. 2476 01:20:14,445 --> 01:20:14,565 Yep. 2477 01:20:14,895 --> 01:20:20,355 What, uh, what, so when you're developing these chassis Yeah. 2478 01:20:20,355 --> 01:20:25,665 And you're coming up with design features and stuff, are you basically there, do 2479 01:20:25,665 --> 01:20:28,785 you think like, Hey, this is, this is a hundred percent and then now it's gonna 2480 01:20:28,785 --> 01:20:30,465 be well just tweak this little here. 2481 01:20:30,495 --> 01:20:30,585 Oh yeah. 2482 01:20:30,585 --> 01:20:31,845 We change this radius over here. 2483 01:20:31,905 --> 01:20:32,235 Oh yeah. 2484 01:20:32,385 --> 01:20:33,045 Absolutely. 2485 01:20:33,045 --> 01:20:35,865 I mean, we showed a chassis at Shot Show this year, the DRT, 2486 01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:38,625 which is sort of a brainchild of mine from a couple years ago. 2487 01:20:39,375 --> 01:20:41,145 And now to see it's a real thing is incredible. 2488 01:20:41,325 --> 01:20:41,385 Yeah. 2489 01:20:41,385 --> 01:20:42,075 It's, it's amazing. 2490 01:20:42,465 --> 01:20:46,125 But at Shot Show, we were ready to hit the go button, start 2491 01:20:46,125 --> 01:20:47,445 the CNC machines going, right. 2492 01:20:48,015 --> 01:20:49,785 We found a problem and we're like, okay, well. 2493 01:20:50,099 --> 01:20:50,940 We should go fix this. 2494 01:20:50,940 --> 01:20:51,120 Right? 2495 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:51,960 So now it's delayed. 2496 01:20:52,139 --> 01:20:52,259 Mm-hmm. 2497 01:20:52,259 --> 01:20:56,040 And that is by far the most frustrating part of product development, right? 2498 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,580 Is when you think you're done and you're like, okay, we're 85% of the way, 90% 2499 01:20:59,580 --> 01:21:00,839 the way there, or whatever, right? 2500 01:21:00,929 --> 01:21:04,110 And then you find something, it's like, oh, okay, now we have to go fix that right 2501 01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:05,849 Now we have to go and understand that. 2502 01:21:05,849 --> 01:21:06,240 And it's. 2503 01:21:07,365 --> 01:21:08,805 That's the super frustrating part. 2504 01:21:08,835 --> 01:21:13,905 And as someone, and admittedly, I am a, I'm sometimes a good enough person. 2505 01:21:14,145 --> 01:21:14,475 Right. 2506 01:21:14,565 --> 01:21:15,885 I don't, I'm not a perfect That is better 2507 01:21:15,885 --> 01:21:16,395 than perfect. 2508 01:21:16,425 --> 01:21:16,635 Right. 2509 01:21:16,635 --> 01:21:17,055 Exactly. 2510 01:21:17,055 --> 01:21:17,805 Done is better than perfect. 2511 01:21:17,805 --> 01:21:19,905 I lean that way a little bit more than perfection. 2512 01:21:20,055 --> 01:21:22,515 And a lot of the engineers in the office are like, no, perfection. 2513 01:21:22,515 --> 01:21:22,815 Right. 2514 01:21:22,875 --> 01:21:23,385 Right. 2515 01:21:23,385 --> 01:21:24,225 Has to be of ideas. 2516 01:21:24,645 --> 01:21:25,515 Um, that's not me. 2517 01:21:26,415 --> 01:21:26,425 Yeah. 2518 01:21:26,775 --> 01:21:30,525 So knowing when to say, okay, we're good and this is good 2519 01:21:30,525 --> 01:21:32,805 enough, is a, is a constant battle. 2520 01:21:32,925 --> 01:21:33,015 Yeah. 2521 01:21:33,015 --> 01:21:34,815 I get stuck in that perfection loop too. 2522 01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:35,050 Mm-hmm. 2523 01:21:35,145 --> 01:21:37,575 And even when it's perfect, I go back and I look at this stuff, I'm 2524 01:21:37,575 --> 01:21:38,985 like, what the hell was I thinking? 2525 01:21:39,075 --> 01:21:39,975 That's not perfect. 2526 01:21:39,975 --> 01:21:41,355 Like, how do I leave all this stuff in? 2527 01:21:41,415 --> 01:21:45,345 Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it, it, it, you're never ever gonna be perfect. 2528 01:21:45,795 --> 01:21:47,625 Mm. And sometimes you call it too early too, right? 2529 01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:48,675 It's like, oh, okay. 2530 01:21:48,675 --> 01:21:50,085 Maybe we shouldn't have done that when we did. 2531 01:21:50,085 --> 01:21:50,355 Right. 2532 01:21:50,445 --> 01:21:51,705 So, um. 2533 01:21:52,139 --> 01:21:54,150 Yeah, it's, it is a tricky one. 2534 01:21:54,210 --> 01:21:58,230 But that's the cool thing with building competition products or hunting products 2535 01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:01,080 or just products that are getting used out in the real world, is that you 2536 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,280 just talk to the end users, right? 2537 01:22:02,285 --> 01:22:02,465 Right. 2538 01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,639 And you send them something, or you run something by them, right? 2539 01:22:05,639 --> 01:22:07,080 And you say, okay, well what do you think about this? 2540 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:07,320 Right? 2541 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,219 How do you feel about this? 2542 01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:10,300 And having those open conversations, right? 2543 01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:11,940 Like, none of this is designed in a vacuum. 2544 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,429 Everything MDT does is, is out. 2545 01:22:14,490 --> 01:22:16,860 You know, we, we test it with our team, we test it with employees, 2546 01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:17,969 we test it with, with people. 2547 01:22:18,570 --> 01:22:20,670 And I think there are other companies that really struggle with that, where 2548 01:22:20,730 --> 01:22:24,059 their test bed is so small and so restricted and you see them do things, 2549 01:22:24,059 --> 01:22:25,889 you're like, well, why'd they do that? 2550 01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:28,710 Um, and it becomes pretty obvious pretty quick. 2551 01:22:28,769 --> 01:22:31,530 So, yeah, nothing we do is in a vacuum, in some cases. 2552 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:34,559 It's almost too many opinions, too many cooks. 2553 01:22:34,559 --> 01:22:34,889 Well, it could 2554 01:22:34,889 --> 01:22:37,530 be hard 'cause everyone's got an idea of what, what they want. 2555 01:22:37,530 --> 01:22:38,849 And yeah, people will be upset. 2556 01:22:38,849 --> 01:22:40,800 Well, you didn't take my opinion into account. 2557 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,679 And you just start like putting 'em all on a list and be like, okay, 2558 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:44,880 this one's the weight of the highest. 2559 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:45,900 So this is where we're starting. 2560 01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:46,950 Yeah, a hundred percent. 2561 01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:50,849 I mean, you know, ultimately we wanna make the best product possible, right? 2562 01:22:50,849 --> 01:22:50,860 Mm-hmm. 2563 01:22:51,915 --> 01:22:53,655 But for who and when. 2564 01:22:53,745 --> 01:22:53,924 Right. 2565 01:22:53,924 --> 01:22:54,855 Well, everyone's gonna be different. 2566 01:22:54,855 --> 01:22:55,275 Exactly. 2567 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:55,429 Yeah. 2568 01:22:55,434 --> 01:22:55,544 Yeah. 2569 01:22:55,544 --> 01:22:57,794 So you have to, you have to sort of aggregate that out and say, okay, 2570 01:22:57,794 --> 01:23:01,245 well if we did this, would, you know, was it a good thing or a bad thing? 2571 01:23:01,245 --> 01:23:01,485 Okay. 2572 01:23:01,485 --> 01:23:03,525 Now, if we did these three things, are those all good things? 2573 01:23:03,525 --> 01:23:04,785 Okay, well, number two isn't Okay. 2574 01:23:04,785 --> 01:23:05,714 Maybe get rid of that one. 2575 01:23:05,714 --> 01:23:05,924 Right. 2576 01:23:05,924 --> 01:23:09,014 So it's a very hard, it's, that's one of the trickiest things about being 2577 01:23:09,014 --> 01:23:12,735 a product developer and pro product designer, is that you have to really 2578 01:23:12,735 --> 01:23:13,875 believe in the thing that you're making. 2579 01:23:13,875 --> 01:23:16,035 Mm. But be willing to say, you know what, it's just not 2580 01:23:16,035 --> 01:23:17,205 gonna get it all, all the time. 2581 01:23:17,565 --> 01:23:21,584 So what's the most popular products that people purchase from MDT 2582 01:23:21,825 --> 01:23:22,455 magazines? 2583 01:23:22,844 --> 01:23:23,384 Is it really? 2584 01:23:23,804 --> 01:23:24,075 Yep. 2585 01:23:24,075 --> 01:23:26,745 I would say magazines is probably like skew wise, the 2586 01:23:26,745 --> 01:23:27,674 thing that we sell the most. 2587 01:23:27,674 --> 01:23:29,445 Because I mean, they're essentially a consumable, right? 2588 01:23:29,445 --> 01:23:31,875 It's one of those things that people just buy and buy and buy and buy. 2589 01:23:31,934 --> 01:23:32,294 Okay. 2590 01:23:32,384 --> 01:23:35,834 Um, I think that the magazines, and also like the funniest 2591 01:23:35,834 --> 01:23:36,764 answer is chamber flags, right? 2592 01:23:36,764 --> 01:23:39,509 I think we run more chamber flags than anything else. 2593 01:23:39,589 --> 01:23:39,870 I got 2594 01:23:39,870 --> 01:23:40,709 a bunch of chamber flags, 2595 01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:40,990 right? 2596 01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,040 Uh, but no, I'd say like, I think magazines like buy volume are, 2597 01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:45,330 are the thing that we do the most. 2598 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:45,480 Hmm. 2599 01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:48,090 Um, and then, yeah, we do a ton of chassis. 2600 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:49,260 Just, it's really cool. 2601 01:23:49,260 --> 01:23:52,410 Like seeing the numbers is just like, man, this is, this is insane. 2602 01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:52,680 Right. 2603 01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:52,920 And 2604 01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:53,340 wow. 2605 01:23:53,550 --> 01:23:55,680 You would think at some point the market would just get saturated. 2606 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,090 People just keep buying stuff. 2607 01:23:57,090 --> 01:23:57,240 Right. 2608 01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,260 People keep building guns. 2609 01:23:58,260 --> 01:23:58,440 Right. 2610 01:23:58,440 --> 01:23:58,450 Yeah. 2611 01:23:58,450 --> 01:24:01,560 People, people want to keep doing things and I think there's an aspect 2612 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,250 of people wanting to customize, wanting to make it their own. 2613 01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:05,460 Right. 2614 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:07,110 Wanting to change the look or the feel. 2615 01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:07,440 Sure. 2616 01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:10,020 And I think that's why it'll never slow down. 2617 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:10,830 Yeah. 2618 01:24:10,830 --> 01:24:14,730 It's like, um, people get themselves in air 15 and they're 2619 01:24:14,730 --> 01:24:15,570 like, now they're a gunsmith. 2620 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:18,300 Well, you're, you're a parts assembly, you're putting things back and forth. 2621 01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:18,540 Right. 2622 01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:21,840 And um, or maybe an armor, we can call you. 2623 01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:22,350 Right. 2624 01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:23,250 But it's fun. 2625 01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:24,870 It's like tinker toys are grownups. 2626 01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:25,140 Right. 2627 01:24:25,140 --> 01:24:25,150 Yeah. 2628 01:24:25,150 --> 01:24:27,840 And they can put all this different stuff and try it out and see how it works. 2629 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:27,990 And 2630 01:24:28,050 --> 01:24:28,770 it's adult Lego. 2631 01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:29,100 Right. 2632 01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:29,790 Adult Lego. 2633 01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:30,270 There you go. 2634 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,450 So is there anything that we haven't talked about that 2635 01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:37,035 we should be talking about? 2636 01:24:38,655 --> 01:24:41,594 Um, I think we covered a lot of it, honestly. 2637 01:24:41,714 --> 01:24:41,804 Yeah. 2638 01:24:41,835 --> 01:24:46,815 Um, we haven't talked too much about Capra as the board, um, C-C-A-P-R-A. 2639 01:24:46,995 --> 01:24:47,264 Um, yeah, 2640 01:24:47,264 --> 01:24:47,809 tell me about that. 2641 01:24:47,985 --> 01:24:50,835 Yeah, I mean that's another thing that in all honesty, kind of started 2642 01:24:50,835 --> 01:24:52,005 with like, Hey, can we do this? 2643 01:24:52,065 --> 01:24:52,304 Sure. 2644 01:24:52,304 --> 01:24:53,264 Let's do it kind of thing. 2645 01:24:53,355 --> 01:24:53,684 Yeah. 2646 01:24:53,775 --> 01:24:56,264 Um, and I think that there's some misconceptions about 2647 01:24:56,264 --> 01:24:59,505 what we do and, um, some. 2648 01:24:59,940 --> 01:25:02,460 Conflict of interest people perceive that we have. 2649 01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,110 And I just kinda wanted to clear a little bit of that up. 2650 01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:04,545 Yeah, yeah. 2651 01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:07,050 Um, so there is a board of five of us. 2652 01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:11,130 Um, we've, we're spread across, uh, three of us are in BC currently. 2653 01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:14,430 We have car, uh, so there's myself, there's Ryan McLean, there's Dave Ani. 2654 01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:17,940 We're all here in bc uh, Carly from Apex Optics. 2655 01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:18,180 Mm-hmm. 2656 01:25:18,210 --> 01:25:19,680 She's in Alberta, obviously. 2657 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,580 And then we've got, um, Yannick, who's over in, uh, the East Coast. 2658 01:25:23,580 --> 01:25:26,850 He's in, um, I can never remember the actual town, but it's somewhere 2659 01:25:26,850 --> 01:25:27,900 in Quebec, somewhere in French. 2660 01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:28,144 Sure, sure. 2661 01:25:28,150 --> 01:25:28,440 Yeah. 2662 01:25:28,530 --> 01:25:31,980 Um, and so we, we make up the board of directors for the Canadian Precision 2663 01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:35,730 Rifle Association, but when it started, it was literally just Ryan McLean. 2664 01:25:36,230 --> 01:25:38,960 They reached out to him and they said, Hey, could you run the Canadian army? 2665 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:39,800 He is like, I guess so. 2666 01:25:39,889 --> 01:25:42,920 And he called me and he's like, Hey, I need someone to help me out. 2667 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,679 And at the time he was in Ontario, I was in BC and I was like, yeah, sure, why not? 2668 01:25:45,710 --> 01:25:45,950 Right? 2669 01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:47,300 Like, let's see where this goes. 2670 01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:47,420 Right. 2671 01:25:47,420 --> 01:25:50,570 There hadn't even been a World Cup and so he and I have been on the 2672 01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:53,660 board the longest and at this point I think we're getting ready to give 2673 01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:57,170 up our positions and get voted and, you know, go for, go for a new cycle. 2674 01:25:57,230 --> 01:25:58,849 Um, which is, which is fine. 2675 01:25:58,849 --> 01:25:59,929 We sh as it should be. 2676 01:26:00,050 --> 01:26:00,290 Right. 2677 01:26:00,349 --> 01:26:02,840 Um, but we've helped grow the sport, right? 2678 01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,440 We've helped build a sport and we've taken Canadian national teams 2679 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:09,769 now to four different, or we're going into our fourth World Cup. 2680 01:26:09,769 --> 01:26:10,219 Crazy. 2681 01:26:10,460 --> 01:26:10,940 Um. 2682 01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:18,330 But we are all shooters by, by sort of default, we had to be shooters to 2683 01:26:18,330 --> 01:26:20,250 ensure that we knew what we were doing. 2684 01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:20,580 Right. 2685 01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:24,480 Ideally, we wouldn't be, ideally we would be retired guys who were just fuds, 2686 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:25,800 who kind of knew about the industry. 2687 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,260 But we are all active, right? 2688 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:29,130 Except for Carly. 2689 01:26:29,130 --> 01:26:32,100 Carly's the only one who sort of industry, but she doesn't really shoot. 2690 01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:34,410 So they conflict people think. 2691 01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:38,220 Is that you guys are selecting maybe lesser competitors to 2692 01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:39,540 make you guys look good or what? 2693 01:26:39,570 --> 01:26:39,840 What's 2694 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,100 the Well, routinely we make the team. 2695 01:26:41,475 --> 01:26:41,715 Right. 2696 01:26:41,745 --> 01:26:42,015 Oh, 2697 01:26:42,225 --> 01:26:42,580 fair enough. 2698 01:26:42,675 --> 01:26:42,915 Right. 2699 01:26:42,915 --> 01:26:44,205 That that's where the conflict comes in. 2700 01:26:44,205 --> 01:26:48,285 So a lot of people have accused us, not a lot, but there's a vocal minority 2701 01:26:48,285 --> 01:26:51,225 that have accused us of saying, well, we're rigging the results so that 2702 01:26:51,375 --> 01:26:52,845 you know that we make the team right. 2703 01:26:52,845 --> 01:26:54,945 Or that, you know, we're doing something in the background so that 2704 01:26:54,945 --> 01:26:57,135 we make the team and we've been accused of not being transparent 2705 01:26:57,135 --> 01:26:59,055 enough and there's been all kind of, 2706 01:26:59,055 --> 01:27:00,045 sounds like loser talk to me. 2707 01:27:00,045 --> 01:27:02,265 But hey, that's just my per perspective. 2708 01:27:02,445 --> 01:27:05,805 I don't know how we could have, I mean, there are some things, yes, we, early 2709 01:27:05,805 --> 01:27:08,415 on we could have been more transparent on maybe some of the qualifications 2710 01:27:08,415 --> 01:27:12,045 and how we were doing that, but I believe we've been extremely fair. 2711 01:27:12,255 --> 01:27:12,435 Mm-hmm. 2712 01:27:12,435 --> 01:27:15,075 Um, we've been extremely open and we haven't hidden anything. 2713 01:27:15,075 --> 01:27:15,405 Right. 2714 01:27:15,585 --> 01:27:19,635 It is extremely competitive in Canada right now to make the Canadian national 2715 01:27:19,635 --> 01:27:22,125 teams, and a lot of people, you know, treat it almost like barely cocky. 2716 01:27:22,125 --> 01:27:23,955 And they're like, oh, well I wanna be on the team, I'm just gonna apply. 2717 01:27:23,955 --> 01:27:24,345 Like, why? 2718 01:27:24,345 --> 01:27:25,305 Why am I not selected? 2719 01:27:25,305 --> 01:27:25,515 Right. 2720 01:27:25,515 --> 01:27:26,565 It's like you should, that's 2721 01:27:26,565 --> 01:27:27,165 not fair. 2722 01:27:27,285 --> 01:27:28,185 Yeah, exactly. 2723 01:27:28,185 --> 01:27:28,365 Right. 2724 01:27:28,365 --> 01:27:30,135 It's like, well, it's not supposed to be fair. 2725 01:27:30,135 --> 01:27:30,495 Right. 2726 01:27:30,825 --> 01:27:30,885 No. 2727 01:27:30,885 --> 01:27:33,525 We are trying to select the best athletes in Canada, right? 2728 01:27:33,555 --> 01:27:33,765 Yeah. 2729 01:27:33,825 --> 01:27:35,805 For the men's team, there's 10 people. 2730 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:36,360 Right. 2731 01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:37,170 Well, actually no, there's more. 2732 01:27:37,170 --> 01:27:40,080 We go production and stuff like that, but for rim far, there is 10 people 2733 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,040 in Canada, the top 10 shooters, who are going to shoot an international 2734 01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:45,210 novel for their country, right? 2735 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:45,450 Mm-hmm. 2736 01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:48,870 We want to take absolutely the top 10 shooters, right? 2737 01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:52,320 If you're shooting three matches a year and they're all at your local 2738 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,840 gun club and you're kind of mid pack, you're not coming with mm-hmm. 2739 01:27:54,841 --> 01:27:54,861 I'm sorry. 2740 01:27:55,020 --> 01:27:55,320 Right? 2741 01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,780 And it's, we've had to have some hard calls. 2742 01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,320 Um, and it is a thankless job That is a, 2743 01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:02,490 I believe it, 2744 01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:03,540 it's not fun. 2745 01:28:03,540 --> 01:28:06,780 It's kind of, I mean, I think the closest equivalent I have to you, like 2746 01:28:06,810 --> 01:28:08,130 going to fight things in court, right? 2747 01:28:08,135 --> 01:28:08,175 Mm-hmm. 2748 01:28:08,255 --> 01:28:09,090 And trying to like change policy. 2749 01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:11,670 It's like we're trying to build things for the future, right? 2750 01:28:11,670 --> 01:28:13,950 We're trying to help out, we're trying to establish an organization. 2751 01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:17,070 I've done a bunch of work for like the nonprofit, um, trying 2752 01:28:17,070 --> 01:28:18,180 to figure out legalities. 2753 01:28:18,180 --> 01:28:18,330 Right? 2754 01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:20,340 And we've had a whole bunch of issues where we couldn't accept 2755 01:28:20,340 --> 01:28:23,100 payments for like six months because we were a firearm company. 2756 01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:24,510 Like, it's frustrating. 2757 01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:24,690 Sure. 2758 01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:28,020 And it's just something we do for free in our spare time. 2759 01:28:28,290 --> 01:28:28,350 Yeah. 2760 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:30,570 But we're also still shooters, right? 2761 01:28:30,570 --> 01:28:31,860 So we're gonna represent Canada. 2762 01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:33,090 Um. 2763 01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:34,950 There is no bias there, right? 2764 01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:35,009 Yeah. 2765 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,070 We do things to actually legitimately bring in the best shooters, 2766 01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:41,309 and we're gonna open it up for voting at some point soon here. 2767 01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:41,670 Hmm. 2768 01:28:41,730 --> 01:28:44,670 I don't, I personally don't really wanna be on the board anymore. 2769 01:28:45,059 --> 01:28:47,670 It's, uh, it's, it's a time suck, right? 2770 01:28:47,730 --> 01:28:48,120 Yeah. 2771 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:53,219 And that's unfortunate because I think you would probably, I think it's human 2772 01:28:53,219 --> 01:28:55,740 nature for us to see the negative, 2773 01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:56,339 right? 2774 01:28:56,370 --> 01:29:00,780 There's gonna be a small vocal minority who's out there trying to tear your 2775 01:29:00,780 --> 01:29:02,610 building down to make theirs look bigger. 2776 01:29:02,610 --> 01:29:02,730 Right. 2777 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,299 And, you know, I had a friend come by the other day. 2778 01:29:06,299 --> 01:29:09,809 He's like, oh man, Travis, so many people in the community and they're just 2779 01:29:09,809 --> 01:29:11,700 rooting for you to win and look at this. 2780 01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:15,480 And I'm like, I'm looking at 'em like, okay, who are these people? 2781 01:29:15,570 --> 01:29:15,839 Right? 2782 01:29:16,469 --> 01:29:18,179 Because your mind gets stuck in, 2783 01:29:18,184 --> 01:29:18,514 right, 2784 01:29:18,775 --> 01:29:20,670 in those negative haters. 2785 01:29:20,670 --> 01:29:23,070 Like there's small group of people out there. 2786 01:29:23,070 --> 01:29:24,960 We're the largest of what we do in Canada. 2787 01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:25,379 Right. 2788 01:29:25,379 --> 01:29:30,000 But being the largest, you're gonna have people throwing rocks from below. 2789 01:29:30,735 --> 01:29:34,905 And sending anonymous emails off to government and anonymous emails 2790 01:29:34,905 --> 01:29:36,375 to grill a mail and all the rest. 2791 01:29:36,375 --> 01:29:41,265 And that can, that can sit in your head as like, what the hell, what's going on? 2792 01:29:41,265 --> 01:29:42,315 All I'm trying to do is help. 2793 01:29:42,315 --> 01:29:43,065 I'm trying to Right. 2794 01:29:43,095 --> 01:29:44,325 Trying to drive this forward. 2795 01:29:44,325 --> 01:29:46,725 So I, I can relate from that aspect. 2796 01:29:47,115 --> 01:29:50,715 And the only thing I guess I can say on that is there's probably 2797 01:29:50,715 --> 01:29:54,585 a lot more people who are behind you positively than negatively. 2798 01:29:54,585 --> 01:29:58,185 But it's hard to see when, when you're, when you're doing that and people, 2799 01:29:58,845 --> 01:30:02,685 we wouldn't be in the position we are right now without the efforts of 2800 01:30:02,685 --> 01:30:05,325 people like yourself, like Ryan and. 2801 01:30:06,105 --> 01:30:08,865 And it's, um, and all the other people who are on that board. 2802 01:30:09,045 --> 01:30:09,375 Yeah. 2803 01:30:09,585 --> 01:30:10,335 And you're not perfect. 2804 01:30:10,575 --> 01:30:14,115 There's gonna, there's gonna be times that you make mistakes, but maybe 2805 01:30:14,175 --> 01:30:15,945 someone else can step up and Right. 2806 01:30:15,945 --> 01:30:17,085 Show how they can perfect it. 2807 01:30:17,445 --> 01:30:17,925 Well, it's cool. 2808 01:30:17,925 --> 01:30:20,205 I mean, like, since, since we started the Canadian Precision Rifle 2809 01:30:20,205 --> 01:30:24,645 Association, we had one match in Ontario, one PRS Pro series match, and 2810 01:30:24,645 --> 01:30:30,945 we had probably in the neighborhood of maybe 50, maybe 75 registered 2811 01:30:30,945 --> 01:30:32,775 PRS members in the whole of Canada. 2812 01:30:32,925 --> 01:30:33,105 Mm. 2813 01:30:33,165 --> 01:30:36,615 At the time when, you know, we started kind of getting this going now. 2814 01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:39,320 We have five pro series matches. 2815 01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:42,470 Ours is a qualifier, so it's gonna draw people from all over the place. 2816 01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:42,530 Wow. 2817 01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:47,600 Um, we've got a Canadian region that was established to help the prairies grow, 2818 01:30:47,690 --> 01:30:49,160 and that was really in part by Carly. 2819 01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:52,010 Um, we've taken, again, four national teams. 2820 01:30:52,010 --> 01:30:57,080 We fundraised, uh, probably at this point 50 to $70,000 just to get these 2821 01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,370 teams to travel around the world. 2822 01:30:58,430 --> 01:30:58,550 Holy. 2823 01:30:58,550 --> 01:31:02,150 The crew, like the, the, the growth, you know, you know, you're saying like, 2824 01:31:02,210 --> 01:31:03,290 we were always focused on the negative. 2825 01:31:03,290 --> 01:31:03,380 Sure. 2826 01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:06,470 But like, if you look at the positives, it's crazy how far we've come, right? 2827 01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:06,560 Mm-hmm. 2828 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,770 Just from like two, three to five of us just kind of hanging out 2829 01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:12,560 every now and then and just making decisions and trying to do something. 2830 01:31:12,740 --> 01:31:13,070 Wow. 2831 01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:16,130 So it's, um, it is huge and it's amazing to see the growth and it's, 2832 01:31:16,130 --> 01:31:20,030 it's really cool to see how far we've come when we look back at it. 2833 01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:23,430 But there definitely needs to be that personal agency. 2834 01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:24,930 We need to have those people step up. 2835 01:31:24,930 --> 01:31:27,510 We need to say, okay, well five of us can't do this forever. 2836 01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:27,810 Right. 2837 01:31:28,020 --> 01:31:28,650 Well, that's it. 2838 01:31:28,770 --> 01:31:31,740 You need to have people help also grow the sport rather than just complain. 2839 01:31:32,190 --> 01:31:36,000 I was asked to give a, uh, a talk video recorded talk for the, a 2840 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,230 gun group for their A GM last year and uh, 'cause I wasn't gonna 2841 01:31:40,230 --> 01:31:41,550 be able to be there in person. 2842 01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:45,150 And basically that was, that was the crux of my talk that 2843 01:31:45,155 --> 01:31:46,140 I was trying to get across. 2844 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,130 These gun groups are great, they do good work, but you know, who can do 2845 01:31:50,130 --> 01:31:53,790 a lot more work is if you step up and you do something right and use a gun 2846 01:31:53,790 --> 01:31:57,720 group as a resource, but it ain't never gonna change these individual groups. 2847 01:31:57,930 --> 01:31:59,520 They're not gonna make all the change for you. 2848 01:31:59,640 --> 01:31:59,970 Right. 2849 01:32:00,060 --> 01:32:01,830 The individual is gonna need to help. 2850 01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:03,150 So I had to say that very nicely. 2851 01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:05,400 Well also be the talker for the gun group. 2852 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:05,670 Right. 2853 01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:09,870 But, um, but it's, I, I believe strongly in it. 2854 01:32:09,870 --> 01:32:12,480 I, I think that's a, um, an important takeaway. 2855 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:13,140 Yeah. 2856 01:32:13,845 --> 01:32:16,635 So if people want to get a hold of you, what do I got? 2857 01:32:16,845 --> 01:32:20,475 North Star Precision training@gmail.com. 2858 01:32:20,565 --> 01:32:20,775 Yep. 2859 01:32:21,225 --> 01:32:23,775 And they can also follow you on Instagram. 2860 01:32:23,895 --> 01:32:24,135 Yep. 2861 01:32:25,035 --> 01:32:25,845 At Not Star. 2862 01:32:27,465 --> 01:32:27,675 Yeah. 2863 01:32:27,675 --> 01:32:28,545 Initially I spelled it wrong. 2864 01:32:28,545 --> 01:32:29,685 So that's on, that's on me. 2865 01:32:30,075 --> 01:32:33,555 Um, yeah, so the training business, uh, again, not a whole lot going on 2866 01:32:33,555 --> 01:32:36,825 there right now, but yeah, north Star Precision, uh, training on Facebook, on 2867 01:32:36,825 --> 01:32:39,435 Instagram, uh, you can find the bbc, PRL. 2868 01:32:39,525 --> 01:32:40,665 Uh, we have a website. 2869 01:32:40,785 --> 01:32:45,765 I think it's BC Precision Rifle League at dot, mailchimp@or.com 2870 01:32:45,765 --> 01:32:46,485 or something like that. 2871 01:32:46,815 --> 01:32:49,485 Uh, but yeah, we're on Facebook, Instagram, and then personally 2872 01:32:49,485 --> 01:32:50,415 you'll find me everywhere. 2873 01:32:50,445 --> 01:32:52,935 J Botha, uh, or Josh Boha. 2874 01:32:53,085 --> 01:32:56,925 Uh, I think on Instagram it's Jay Boha underscore, but um, yeah, check it out. 2875 01:32:56,985 --> 01:32:57,675 I, uh. 2876 01:32:58,860 --> 01:33:00,330 Social media is a necessary evil. 2877 01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:02,790 I don't love doing it, but it's, uh, it's definitely an 2878 01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:03,900 important part of what we do. 2879 01:33:04,020 --> 01:33:06,060 Um, but yeah, you'll see me traveling around the world 2880 01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:07,110 shooting guns all over the place. 2881 01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:08,280 Hobo with a gun basically. 2882 01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,050 Um, yeah. 2883 01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:10,710 Yeah. 2884 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,605 Instead of a bindle. 2885 01:33:11,605 --> 01:33:12,240 You got sack. 2886 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,530 You got your little rifle with a sack. 2887 01:33:13,530 --> 01:33:13,980 There you go. 2888 01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:14,130 Yeah. 2889 01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:15,270 I got my tripod over my shoulder. 2890 01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:15,840 I'm good to go. 2891 01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:18,960 So I'm gonna actually put links in the description. 2892 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:19,080 Awesome. 2893 01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:20,430 So people don't have to remember all this. 2894 01:33:20,430 --> 01:33:21,390 Look into the description. 2895 01:33:21,390 --> 01:33:22,590 It's gonna be there on YouTube. 2896 01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:23,970 It's gonna be on the podcast. 2897 01:33:23,970 --> 01:33:24,150 Yeah. 2898 01:33:24,510 --> 01:33:27,180 Josh, thank you so much for being on this podcast. 2899 01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:28,230 I really enjoyed the chat. 2900 01:33:28,380 --> 01:33:28,530 Yeah. 2901 01:33:28,530 --> 01:33:29,610 Thank you so much for having me, Travis. 2902 01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:30,300 I really appreciate it.