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Have you ever smashed your thumb with a hammer and screamed, fudge?

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Today on the show, we are tackling the great debate of Christian cussing.

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Is saying shoot, darn, or frick actually holiness, or is it just a loophole?

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We're diving into the difference between a sentence enhancer and a sin,

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looking at what Ephesians really says about our speech, and asking the hard

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question, does God care about the syllables you use or the anger in your heart?

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From holy cussing to the time Jeremy learned that beer and salad don't mix with

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pro wrestling, we are covering it all.

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So watch your mouth and turn up the volume.

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Welcome to Life on 11.

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What's happening, dog? What's up, brother? What are you doing over there?

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Just chilling, my man. Just chilling.

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That's cool. Yeah.

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You look comfy. I'm always comfy when I'm sitting on this chair.

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I get it. It's a good spot. It's better than being outside.

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Yeah, I mean, it's not as cold today as it has been. It was pretty stinking

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cold yesterday. It was nasty cold. Yeah.

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Today was a bearable. I sat inside. Oh, yeah? What'd you get into today? I sat at UVA. Yeah.

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Dad had a surgery. It was all right. Yeah, everything go? I think they got it

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all. Okay. Had a mass on his lung. Took the mass.

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Took some lymph nodes. Cool. Pretty good. They got it all.

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Okay, well, that's good. That's positive. But, you know, nothing will nothing

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will drain your energy while doing nothing all day than sitting at the hospital.

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Tell me about it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's been there, done that.

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Yeah. What'd you do today? Today was relatively calm, uneventful.

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Had a meeting, went and looked at a couple jobs, had lunch with a buddy. Where'd you go?

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Italian touch. I wasn't there. I mean I have other buddies besides you that's

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not allowed I'm here now aren't I.

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Anyway I had lunch with my mom hey hospital food hospital food fair that's a

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little not as good but then this evening Riley and I hung out,

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Just chilling while Talon and Tara went and watched some wrestling.

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Wrestling? Well, I guess technically it's wrestling.

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Because they were actually scoring points and all that stuff.

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Wrestling is what you do when there's headgear and singlets and scoring.

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Yes. Wrestling is what you do when there's a steel cage and a baseball bat wrapped

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in barbed wire and people going through tables.

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Okay. It was wrestling. Was there pyro and entrance music?

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I mean, I wasn't there. Was there pyro and entrance? Probably not.

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I'm not interested. Yeah, probably not interested.

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I mean, I grew up watching wrestling. I grew up watching wrestling.

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Dude, that reminds me of a hilarious story. Tell me.

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Dude. Okay. So growing up, I lived right across from the food line there at Harmony Square.

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So I would walk over there, like get me some snacks and stuff before I sat down

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to watch a movie that I rented from the video store.

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Oh, baby. I know. Going back in time. But anyway.

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I was there one time picking up some snacks for me, and I ran into this dude,

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like just a stereotypical guy, like big old belly, looked like a guy that would

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be just there to get beer, right?

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So anyway, in his cart, he had beer, and he had lettuce, and he was getting cheese.

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Okay. And he was like, he said, yeah, man, he said, I'm here to get me some

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beer, and I'm going to go home and make me a salad and watch some wrestling.

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And I'm like, okay, the beer and the wrestling fits, but making a salad,

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that just does not fit the stereotype that I have of you right now.

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Hey, who? Hey, beer and salad, I don't know. That does nothing about that. No.

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You know what I've never done in my life? Had a beer and salad?

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I've never made a salad and been like, you know, I'd be really good with this salad right now.

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Pour me a cold one. But yeah, I will never forget that for the rest of my life.

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That's hilarious. Go home and make a salad and watch some wrestling.

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Well, my uncle, my uncle used to, he used to get all the wrestling pay-per-views. Oh, yeah?

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We'd go over to his house and we'd watch the wrestling pay-per-views.

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My parents wouldn't let me watch wrestling. It was too violent.

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Okay, we... Yeah.

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I understand that. I mean, my parents let me watch wrestling because,

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like, we all knew it wasn't real.

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I mean, I knew it wasn't real, too, but still. Yeah, we watched. Yeah.

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Along with all the words I wasn't allowed to say.

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The best part is, like, there's two or three people in my family who,

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like, they still watch wrestling, like, all the time.

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And so, because I watched wrestling when I was, like, between the ages of 10

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and 17, 16 with them, like, they think I still watch wrestling.

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So if i see them they're like man do you see

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what happened with old stone cold steve austin i'm like i don't and

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then they're like they try to like fill me in on whatever's happened and

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yeah you gotta be you gotta be in the know yeah i got no so maybe what i need

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to just like start chat gpt like tell me what's happening in the world of wrestling

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before i go to family there's a few of them man they they in okay that's cool

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yeah hey is it i mean i mean if it's their thing yeah if That's your thing.

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I mean, there's worse things to be into, I guess.

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Well, yeah, that's true. You do have that right. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's true. That's true. So. Yeah.

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Oh, forgot. O'Reilly helped me work on the old refrigerator tonight.

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Yeah? Did you get it fixed? No, no.

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The water is not coming out, and it's not making any ice.

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Okay. So I had to order me a little valve thing, like 30 bucks.

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Okay. So when Tara got home, she was like,

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is the part expensive? And I was like, no, no, no. It's not.

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It's like 30 bucks. And I was like, why are you trying to get a new refrigerator?

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She was like, no, no, no, no. I'm like, all right, because I ain't trying to

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spend $3,000 on a new refrigerator. Preach. You know what I'm saying? Preach. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's no good. Dude, that stuff's ridiculous. Oh, refrigeration.

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Well, I mean, maybe when you get done, we can work on my refrigerator.

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What's wrong with your refrigerator? What else is wrong with my refrigerator?

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I have an ice machine that apparently works for a union.

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Ugh. Yeah, it like we'll have we won't have ice for like two weeks, not zero.

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So we'll buy like ice from the gas station. And then all of a sudden for like

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three days makes ice like gangbusters.

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Everything's great. We're like, yeah, ice machine works. It's gone.

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That definitely sounds like a year. Yeah, like four days won't make any ice.

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They'll make half a bucket of ice.

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Are you not keeping up with its dues? I guess not. Bro, you need to get on that. I know.

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I don't know. It's quite frustrating because I always catch it at the end of the cycle.

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So I'm like, oh, yeah, I might have some ice.

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There's no ice. We had an ice. Everybody, yeah.

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I've had it worked on once. Hmm. Didn't work. You can't just buy a $30 part?

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I don't know what $30 part to buy. I'm just kidding. I have no idea.

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I mean, like, I replaced the entire ice-making mechanism once.

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Dude, I bet that wasn't cheap. No, it wasn't. But I wanted ice.

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I'm just saying, dude. Yeah, you'll have that. Makes me want to cuss.

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Speaking of which, like that segue there?

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I've heard better. Okay.

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We're talking about cussing tonight. Christian cussing. Christian cussing.

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Should Christians cuss? Christian cussing.

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Yeah. Holy cussing.

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Holy cussing. Wow. Yeah.

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Should Christians cuss? That's one of what about is it okay to,

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you know, use foul language?

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If you haven't, you should pause this podcast right now.

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Pause. Don't leave. Come back. Come back. Google Tim Hawkins Christian cuss words.

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It's amazing. If you haven't heard it, it is definitely worth if we had the

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copyright ability, we would play it for you.

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But I'm sure we'll get muted.

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Oh, yeah, we get shut down. Yeah, it'd be bad. So we won't play it for you. But go Google.

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Christian Cuss Words with Tim Hawkins. Yeah. What's your favorite Christian Cuss Word?

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Oh my. Dude, there were so many words I wasn't allowed to say growing up.

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You weren't allowed to say poop.

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Poop? Man. What could you not say? But. I couldn't say but. Sorry,

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you couldn't say but. Wasn't allowed to say but. Had to say bottom. Gotcha.

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Bottom. But no, fudge. Fudge is a,

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is a good one. Dagnabbit is one of mine. That's a go-to for me. Dagnabbit.

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The old H-E double hockey stick. That's a good one. That's a good one.

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Shoot. Oh, yeah. Shoot. Dang.

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Dang. Darn. Darn. That one's... I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, could be.

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Oh, you brought one up earlier. One of the boys' favorites that I say is, Great Googly Moogly.

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Great Googly Moogly. Great Googly Moogly. And I always say it like that.

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I could be so angry and I still were like, great googly-meggly.

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Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, there's quite a I mean, really, you can almost you can almost fill in any word.

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Yeah. And someone will know.

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Yeah. Like kind of what your intent is. So funny enough, the person who suggested

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this podcast topic, a friend of the podcast, R.B. Propst.

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I went in to see him. props to rb props props i went

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see rb and he told me that we he asked

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if we would do a podcast on this and i told him that maybe we should play a

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little game oh where we would just you and i would

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say random sentences and we would just bleep out a word and

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you'd have to see like did we actually say a cuss word or not like if we just

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put in the bleep that would be hilarious right yeah so you know like that person's

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a like said watermelon that person's a watermelon yeah have you like Did you

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have a cursing problem at any point in your life? Okay. All right.

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Problem would almost be like that I didn't intend to do it.

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You know what I'm saying? I couldn't stop myself.

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But I'm sorry, Mom, if you're listening.

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But when I was in high school, it was all the rage to cuss.

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I think that's still a thing. Yeah, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. But that was the thing.

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So, yes, I would cuss at school. Some would say like a sailor.

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Literally, when I got home, I could flip it off like a switch.

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I wouldn't say, because I wasn't allowed to say butt. I wouldn't say butt. I would say bottom.

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And I'm trying to think. There was one, I think puke. They didn't like when

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we said puke. Okay. So, we had to say barf.

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Dude, I'd rather you say puke. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

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All right. Have you ever got your mouth washed out with soap? Oh, yeah.

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Dude, you want to talk about nasty. Yeah. Anyway, that's a whole. Yeah. Yeah.

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But yeah, yeah. So, I mean, was it a problem? I mean, I knew what I was doing,

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and I was doing it on purpose.

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Oh, yeah. Should I have been? No, I shouldn't have been. Yeah.

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Yeah. I cussed like a sailor for, especially when I worked in the restaurant

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scene. I mean, everybody did.

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I mean, it's not the excuse, but I mean, it was just like. No,

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understood. I mean, yeah. Construction.

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Yeah. So, I mean, it was all over the place. And so, I had a really filthy mouth for there for a while.

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Yeah. Like you, I was pretty good at. I can still remember the first time that

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I said the F-bomb in front of my father. Oh my.

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I've never done that. Yeah. It was not a good situation. He didn't say anything, but I could tell.

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He was caught off guard. Yeah.

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Let's just say it was before I was walking with Jesus in a really good way,

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and there may have been some beer involved.

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So I was a little loose on the tongue, and I can still remember saying it,

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and I just looked at him, and I was like, wow, that just happened.

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Okay. All right. But seriously though, what, what, like, what really is the

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difference between saying, oh, fudge versus the other F word?

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Yeah. Like what is the real difference other than the actual word that comes

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out of your mouth? Yeah. The intent is the same.

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Right. And that, like, I think Jesus was kind of getting at that,

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like in the Sermon on the Mount, because he's like, oh, if you even say to your

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brother Raka, which, I mean, the closest word we have to that is idiot.

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So that's pretty low on the, yeah, for sure.

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I've probably called somebody an idiot 16 times today. Yeah.

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So, the standard there is pretty low as far as the language goes.

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But he says if you call your brother Raka, then you're guilty of murder. Right? So, I mean.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, and he talks, do not let any, was it,

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unpure talk come from your mouths? Yeah, Ephesians.

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Ephesians, it's like two times right in a row. Ephesians 4.29.

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Don't let any wholesome talk come out of your mouths. There you go.

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But only what's helpful with building others up. I'll talk about that in a second

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because I think that's different than what we think it is. Okay.

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Number two, warning against obscenity, foolish talk, or coarse joking. Okay.

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So that's like right in a row, Ephesians 4, Ephesians 5. I actually think that

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Ephesians 4, 29 is not talking about cursing.

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I think it's talking about gossip and slander and lying, which I find it hilarious,

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like the amount of people who think that cussing is bad, but they don't mind

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gossiping. Oh, yeah, they don't mind gossiping or talking bad about somebody.

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Right, slandering or anything like that. You do understand, unwholesome talk

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isn't just four-letter words. Yes, agreed.

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So I think Ephesians 4.29, because if you â I'm going to open up the old Bible here.

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Okay. If you look at it inside of its whole context.

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Now, I would say, so there's a lot of people, and me, like me personally,

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the one that bothers me the most is hearing someone use the Lord's name in vain. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That one there always gives me like, eee, I really don't like that.

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Yeah. You know what I mean?

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So so i kind of i guess i kind of

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differentiate between those between those

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which we can dive into in a little bit so ephesians 4

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started 25 therefore having put away falsehood let each

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one of you speak the truth with his neighbor for your members of one another

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be angry and do not sin to let the sun go down on your anger and give no opportunity

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to the devil let the thief steal no longer let him labor doing honest work with

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his hands so that he may have something to share with anyone need let no corrupting

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talk come out of your mouths but only what is good for building each other up.

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It fits the occasion that may give grace to all those who hear and do not grieve

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the Holy Spirit by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

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Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from

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you, along with all malice.

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Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another as Christ forgave

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you. So I actually think like the unwholesome talk is talking about there.

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I don't think it's talking about cursing. I think it's talking about where it

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talks about let all wrath and anger and bitterness and clamor and slander.

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And up here, talks about be angry and don't sin, put away falsehood, speak the truth in love.

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So I actually think that one is less about cursing. Less about specific words.

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But I mean, to be fair, in biblical times, the words that we say that didn't even exist.

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Right. Right. So, I mean. Right. And that's always the argument that,

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like, I've heard. Sure. Yeah. That's always. I've heard the same.

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Like, whoever decided that this word was bad. Well, I mean, just think.

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So, let's go back. Let's go back 20 years ago.

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Okay. There's all sorts of words that we say now that 20 years ago were like. Well, that's true.

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Completely. That's true. Completely unacceptable. Right.

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There's a lot of even now, like, the stuff with, like, the, like, LGBTQ, all that.

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It's like there's words then that like that's true you're right but you

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didn't say those things 20 years ago but now it's

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okay yeah because it's a you know or like

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even something like like i screwed up oh yeah like oh 20 years ago that that

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was that was pretty close to profanity yeah that's true that was another one

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i wasn't allowed to say growing up yeah yeah screw that or screw this or whatever

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yeah i mean there's and some of that is like culture yeah you know Because,

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again, 20, 25 years ago, like, you couldn't even say, like, hell on TV.

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And now they.

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Yeah, they pretty much say whatever they want, whatever. I mean,

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there's been a couple of things, like, even on, like, not just on TV shows,

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but even on commercials. Where I'm like, what?

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Are you kidding me? Like, we just said that. Like, when I was growing up,

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you couldn't even say that on, like, the 11 o'clock show. Jay Leno couldn't say that.

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Are we watching the HBO?

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Oh but yeah and so that that is like because a lot of the words that we think about,

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They're English words that we've attached words to. So I do think there's some

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truth to that because they're just constructing things.

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And so as a society, we have decided that that word is bad. Right.

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But, you know, one of my favorite ones is in like the Victorian era.

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Leg was considered profanity.

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Really? Yeah. You weren't supposed to say leg. Oh, interesting.

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Yeah. So you could say limb, but like leg was like sexually provocative.

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Really? And so, I mean, I can see how that would fit actually,

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but anyway, let's hold on to the conversation.

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So, I mean, yeah, so language does change. Now, the question is,

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does that let us off the hook?

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Like if something is socially a problem and we've decided as a society it's

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not good, so should we as Christians think about like, you know, what did Paul say?

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Like, oh, eat whatever meat you want unless it causes another brother to stumble,

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then don't eat the meat. And so that that's a that's a whole other question.

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So, yeah, I mean, you know, a lot of times we like I've I've been around plenty

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of people that use certain words and they're not even like people would consider them as bad words,

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cuss words, but they're not using them in in malice or in like they're not angry.

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They're not expressing frustration like they literally just that word is part

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of their vocabulary. Yeah.

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So, so that sentence enhancers, yes, sentence enhancers. That's a good way to put it.

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But like to them, they're like, what?

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Like, that's, that's just how I talk like that, you know, and it's no different

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than like me saying fudge. Yeah. For example.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know. I've,

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I've always kind of beat that one around in my head.

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Like, really, where does this? Yeah. I can still remember like when I first

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got into ministry, my cousin took me to visit a friend of his that he wanted to come to church.

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And he told me like, dude, cuss is like water. Like it just comes.

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And so, yeah, we did. We went and saw him. And he, I mean, he had a woof.

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And like probably 20 minutes into the conversation, he was like,

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dude, I told you he's a pastor. The guy looks like he's like,

00:20:01.521 --> 00:20:02.781
my cousin ain't sending him to hell.

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Fair point. Fair point. But I mean, that's the real question.

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Are using the words that we call cuss words, is that sending you to hell? Right.

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I don't think it's sending you to hell, but I do think there's something to be said about holiness.

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Sure. And it does not bother me.

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So every now, I shouldn't even say every now and then, probably more frequently

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than folks might realize, people will cuss around me.

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And even like, I'll be doing a pastoral counseling session or I'll be like,

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get ready for their funeral, like for loved one's funeral or something.

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And they'll throw out a cuss word.

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And like, at first I like cover their mouth like all over and I'm like look

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you're expressing how you're feeling right now like it does not bother me if

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we were sitting here having this conversation and you were just,

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cussing like nobody's business then maybe we would have a conversation right

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but words are indicators of feelings and so to me there is a difference in you you,

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You cuss, you said a bad word because you were feeling frustrated or you were

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feeling overwhelmed and you are cursing as part of your everyday vocabulary, right?

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There's a difference in I told a lie and I'm a liar.

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Yeah. It's more of like, what is in the heart, in my opinion? Yeah.

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Because now, to be fair, I've met plenty of people that use lots of cuss words

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that their heart is hard.

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Like, and you can, it's not just in the words that they use, it's in the way they act.

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And just the way they talk, not specifically those words, but the way they talk

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about other people to other people, you know, that to me says a lot more than

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just the words that we're talking about.

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The couple exceptions I have, I cannot stand when people cuss around kids.

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Oh, that's fair. No, I agree. Like, I can't stand it. I agree,

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especially at their kids.

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But again, that's yeah, I I like I I was very close to pulling my kids off a

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basketball team one time because the coach was cussing at them. Yeah.

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And I was like, I don't cuss at my children. You're not going to cuss at my children.

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And partially like I think that's just because children don't like they mimic

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behavior and they can say words and they don't even understand what they mean.

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And so as an adult there's kind of like some informed consent for the most part

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like most of us are kind of the place where we know that that word's a bad word

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and we know if we use it it's going to have this effect I think when you cuss

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around children you begin to make it normal yeah you're right and they really

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I mean how many times have you heard a little kid say a word right they don't

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even know what they're saying right yeah,

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I do wish that we would have less cursing in like the public sphere like I don't

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like cuss words on t-shirts I don't like cuss words on bumper stickers okay that bothers me.

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I think, again, that's like that, like, like,

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you know, everybody sees that. And I just think it's, it's very demoralizing,

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you know, to see those things.

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I struggle with that, you know, like, you know, it, it wouldn't,

00:23:08.499 --> 00:23:12.219
it's funny because if somebody used a cuss word at me, it wouldn't necessarily

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bother me as much as like somebody who has another t-shirt.

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It's just like, ah, dude, like, come on, like, we all have to read that.

00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.739
Yeah, you're right. I mean, that, that, that is probably a little,

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a little distasteful, I would say.

00:23:23.159 --> 00:23:26.579
Yeah. Yeah. But there's plenty of other things that can be distasteful without

00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:28.879
using bad words. Absolutely. So, I mean, the same is true.

00:23:29.139 --> 00:23:32.719
Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's just that, like, I have a choice

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to engage in certain conversations, and I don't if it's all over the back of

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your car and now, you know.

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You know, so I do not, like, if Christians use curse words, it doesn't bother me personally.

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I do not use them. I mean, I do not use them on a regular basis.

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The other side is like, so one of my favorite sermons I have ever heard was

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by a pastor by the name of Perry Noble.

00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.699
Anyway, forget his name. Anyway, he gets out on the sermon and he stands up

00:24:08.699 --> 00:24:12.599
and this guy's kind of like known for like shock jock stuff.

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Okay. And he gets up and he was like,

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You guys all have neighbors and relatives and people in your family who are

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going to hell and you could give us about it.

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Like says the word in the pulpit and the whole church goes silent.

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He's like, and you will spend longer talking about the fact that I just said

00:24:31.695 --> 00:24:33.815
the S word. Then your neighbor is going to hell.

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That's true. And that was his whole sermon. Like he just talked about like the

00:24:39.315 --> 00:24:45.515
priority of getting to know the lost. And I was like, that's crazy that he did that.

00:24:45.715 --> 00:24:48.875
But there is something to be said about that. Like, you know,

00:24:48.975 --> 00:24:53.435
I wouldn't do that. But that shock of like, yeah, holy smoke.

00:24:53.935 --> 00:25:00.755
How about one of the ones that I think about is in Philippians chapter three, verse eight.

00:25:01.595 --> 00:25:08.435
I'd like to get your opinion on this one. Oh, OK. Philippians chapter three, verse eight. Paul says.

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He uses the word but whatever this is verse 8 indeed I count everything as lost

00:25:18.735 --> 00:25:22.915
because of their passing worth of knowing Christ Jesus for his sake I have suffered

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the loss of all things and count them as rubbish in order that I may gain Christ

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and be found in him so the word that Paul uses there is,

00:25:33.935 --> 00:25:36.655
skupulon or I don't know if I'm pronouncing that

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right sure but it is considered in original Greek

00:25:39.475 --> 00:25:42.255
it's a vulgar word okay it would be something like

00:25:42.255 --> 00:25:45.415
is it really meant dung or trash okay

00:25:45.415 --> 00:25:51.155
okay and so paul actually uses a bit of a vulgar word even in we read that we

00:25:51.155 --> 00:25:54.175
read rubbish because that's how it's translated but for his original listeners

00:25:54.175 --> 00:25:58.455
that's a pretty like could have been the s word right for example right it was

00:25:58.455 --> 00:26:05.035
really a no-no word so he kind of uses some pretty strong language to drive a point Yeah,

00:26:05.195 --> 00:26:10.575
to express the importance of said topic.

00:26:10.855 --> 00:26:12.735
Yeah. Right. Thoughts on that?

00:26:13.788 --> 00:26:17.848
You know, I'm not going to lie. I have been in some situations where

00:26:17.848 --> 00:26:32.388
maybe a not so good word was used in a similar situation to make a point similar

00:26:32.388 --> 00:26:35.028
to the pastor, that sermon that you're talking about.

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And in some instances, I mean, you know, if you're using it every day and every

00:26:41.248 --> 00:26:45.168
day conversation, it actually it loses it.

00:26:45.348 --> 00:26:49.868
You lose the importance as strange as the sounds that we're having this conversation.

00:26:50.748 --> 00:26:56.288
But like, for example, OK, so so I used to, like I said, in high school, cuss a lot.

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I was just I mean, we just we literally would sing songs.

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All they had was bad words in them. and like we did that on purpose because it was funny,

00:27:06.328 --> 00:27:11.968
but like now most people would say when they see me at work or they talk to

00:27:11.968 --> 00:27:15.128
me they're like oh that's right you don't cuss you don't cuss like so they'll

00:27:15.128 --> 00:27:17.908
try not to cuss around me but.

00:27:18.856 --> 00:27:23.876
And again, not saying that this is necessarily right, but if I use a word that

00:27:23.876 --> 00:27:29.136
people think is a bad word to get a point across or like everybody's like,

00:27:29.256 --> 00:27:32.636
whoa, we need to listen to this.

00:27:32.996 --> 00:27:37.036
Right. You know what I mean? Not saying that that's right or that's okay,

00:27:37.036 --> 00:27:44.276
but in the same sense that Paul used a word that was considered a dirty word to drive a point home.

00:27:44.436 --> 00:27:48.356
I do think there's some value there. I mean, as crazy as that might sound to

00:27:48.356 --> 00:27:53.836
a lot of people, I mean, I personally think that Paul using that word was intentional

00:27:53.836 --> 00:27:57.856
to get, like, this is how serious this is. Yeah.

00:27:58.336 --> 00:28:02.516
It reminds me of, like, we had a coach growing up that he never raised his voice.

00:28:02.536 --> 00:28:05.176
Like, he even killed all the time.

00:28:05.396 --> 00:28:08.456
And, like, the first time he yelled at us, we were like, because,

00:28:08.456 --> 00:28:11.416
you know, some coaches just yell to yell. Yeah, true.

00:28:11.576 --> 00:28:14.136
And it was like, oh, my gosh, we better speak up, right?

00:28:14.656 --> 00:28:20.436
I do think that a lot of times the language that we use is not about us, it's about others.

00:28:21.436 --> 00:28:26.076
Whether that's fair or not, we won't get into on this podcast. Sure. But...

00:28:26.463 --> 00:28:29.563
I do think there's something to be said that scripture referenced before about

00:28:29.563 --> 00:28:32.983
Paul, where he's like, you know, should you eat food sacrificed to idols?

00:28:33.123 --> 00:28:33.963
Well, idols aren't real.

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And so that food really was sacrificed to nothing.

00:28:36.963 --> 00:28:41.163
So eat what you want, unless there's somebody who's going to stumble because

00:28:41.163 --> 00:28:42.663
you do it and then don't do it. For sure.

00:28:42.803 --> 00:28:48.443
And so I might not have a problem with somebody using those words in moderation.

00:28:49.403 --> 00:28:52.663
But if somebody else does, then we probably shouldn't use them. Yeah.

00:28:53.463 --> 00:28:56.863
And I want to go back to about what's in the heart.

00:28:57.643 --> 00:29:02.143
I think there's a lot to be said for that because, I mean,

00:29:02.323 --> 00:29:06.903
how many times have you run across somebody you can just tell that their heart

00:29:06.903 --> 00:29:13.883
is hurting and they're saying bad things, not even necessarily bad words,

00:29:13.883 --> 00:29:15.943
but just the way they act,

00:29:16.083 --> 00:29:18.463
the way they talk, you can tell that they're hurting.

00:29:19.383 --> 00:29:22.583
So, yeah, there's something to be said to be said for that, we need to meet

00:29:22.583 --> 00:29:24.303
those people where they are for sure.

00:29:25.063 --> 00:29:28.183
Same way with everybody else who's maybe not using those words,

00:29:28.243 --> 00:29:29.143
but you know what I'm saying.

00:29:29.983 --> 00:29:34.563
Well, the thing is like, words are constructs.

00:29:35.358 --> 00:29:39.218
I remember in seminary, we talked a lot about the symbol and the sign, right? Yeah.

00:29:39.658 --> 00:29:43.518
Words are the things that we have attached to the world around us.

00:29:43.798 --> 00:29:50.018
Mm-hmm. So, a cloud is the word that we use for that thing God made in the sky.

00:29:50.898 --> 00:29:55.938
It is a different word in 18 different languages, right? Sure.

00:29:56.098 --> 00:29:59.758
But they do indicate something. So, if I say this is a chair,

00:30:00.098 --> 00:30:03.998
it is the word that I use to talk about this object that I'm sitting on.

00:30:04.238 --> 00:30:12.198
Mm-hmm. So, if we use that same concept, curse words can be indicators of something deeper.

00:30:12.798 --> 00:30:15.778
You know, somebody has to use that kind of language. Like, to me,

00:30:15.958 --> 00:30:20.738
it talks a lot about, like, how they try to get their point across.

00:30:20.738 --> 00:30:23.978
Or sometimes I feel like the people who cuss the most are people who haven't

00:30:23.978 --> 00:30:25.378
been heard the most in their lives.

00:30:25.938 --> 00:30:31.298
Okay. And so they've had to almost resort to cursing to feel like they're being

00:30:31.298 --> 00:30:32.978
heard or to get their point across.

00:30:33.938 --> 00:30:37.398
That's just something I've noticed yeah it's an interesting thought yeah I never

00:30:37.398 --> 00:30:42.478
considered it and so I do think I do hate the fact that we've moved to a place

00:30:42.478 --> 00:30:47.138
where it's more and more like normal oh you're right it's definitely been normalized,

00:30:47.998 --> 00:30:53.178
oh yes I remember like when I was working at Dairy Queen like if I cussed at

00:30:53.178 --> 00:30:58.438
a like if a customer heard me cuss I was losing my job and now like,

00:30:59.118 --> 00:31:04.058
it's I hear cashiers use that language all the time yeah sure And it's just like, okay, whatever.

00:31:04.298 --> 00:31:08.638
But all that to say, I do think that the Ephesians 4.29 verse where it talks

00:31:08.638 --> 00:31:10.898
about it gives grace to all who hears.

00:31:11.038 --> 00:31:14.978
Like it puts the emphasis on who's hearing you talk. It's not just about if

00:31:14.978 --> 00:31:18.918
you're okay with it or if you think it's right or wrong, but is it graceful?

00:31:19.766 --> 00:31:25.606
Is it nullifying your witness for Christ? And it's funny because there's a pastor

00:31:25.606 --> 00:31:28.346
who many, many years ago wrote a lot of really good books.

00:31:28.886 --> 00:31:33.546
And I remember there was another book that came out and it talked about the cursing pastor.

00:31:34.066 --> 00:31:37.366
And they never used his name. They just talked about like there was this pastor

00:31:37.366 --> 00:31:39.846
that everybody loved, but he cursed all the time.

00:31:39.946 --> 00:31:45.786
And his thing was, if I cuss, then it makes me more relatable to the people

00:31:45.786 --> 00:31:46.526
who don't come to church.

00:31:47.606 --> 00:31:51.206
Oh, interesting thought. Yeah. And then it came out on who it was.

00:31:51.286 --> 00:31:52.546
And it was like this dude who like,

00:31:52.706 --> 00:31:55.086
you would have never thought that like reading his books or anything.

00:31:55.506 --> 00:31:59.166
And they like confronted him about it. And he was like, you know,

00:31:59.546 --> 00:32:01.106
they're just words like it doesn't matter.

00:32:01.186 --> 00:32:05.086
And then they like played all these people who have like walked away from God,

00:32:05.286 --> 00:32:08.786
walk away from opportunities from the church because of his language.

00:32:08.966 --> 00:32:12.366
And they were like, it really offended me that you talk that way,

00:32:12.446 --> 00:32:13.546
like you're supposed to be different.

00:32:14.066 --> 00:32:18.186
And so him using that words wasn't even about his conscious it was about theirs

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oh and that's what lays it on its head right wow interesting i'll tell you what i definitely,

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has made me think a lot more tonight this conversation than i thought it would honestly,

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very a lot of things to to consider yeah for sure how'd you how'd you stop using bad language.

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How did I stop? Yeah. Did you just stop? Yeah. Honestly, yeah,

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because the only reason I was doing it, like I said, when I was in school,

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was to fit in or to be funny or to...

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Just because everybody else did it. I mean, that's literally why I did it for no other reason.

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And so one day I just flipped the switch off and it stayed off.

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I don't remember exactly when it happened or exactly why it happened.

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I was just like, yeah, yeah, I don't need to do all this. Okay.

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Yeah. That sounds weird. But I mean, honestly, that's what I can.

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I'm glad I worked for you. Yeah.

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I put a rubber band around my wrist. Oh, that's it. I've heard lots of people

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doing that. And every time I said a cuss word, I had to. Yeah, had to snap it. Yep.

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Which is funny because a couple of times I think I said a cuss word because

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I slapped the rubber band.

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Oh, my goodness. It didn't take long. It didn't take long.

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Yeah. Kind of like it was just more about like, just a dirty habit.

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Yeah, it was really just, I mean, literally, it was just to fit in.

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I mean, how many other things do we do just to fit in or to be cool or whatever?

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So really I think in God's eyes it's all the same whatever those things are,

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I'll put out one more scripture for us to think about James chapter 3.

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It's like 1 to like 8 or so that all talks about it but it's specifically talking

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about the tongue it says for we all stumble in many ways and if anyone does

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not stumble in what he says he's a perfect man able to bridle his whole body

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If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us,

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we will guide their bodies as well. Look at the ships.

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Oh, they are so large. They are driven by strong winds. They are guided by a very small rudder.

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Whoever is in the will of pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member,

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yet it boasts of great things.

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And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among

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our members, staining the whole

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body, setting on fire the entire course of life and set on fire by hell.

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There is something to say about, I think it is a discipline that lots of us

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need to learn to control our tongue, not just curse words, but again,

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lying, slander, gossip, right?

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But, you know, you'll hear people like, well, this is just how I talk.

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Well, the scriptures does do kind of point to us that we need to control our tongue.

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So I do think that we as Christians need to pay attention to that.

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I agree 100%. Yes, not just with the four letters, but with all of them,

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you know, with everything we say.

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I mean, like I said, not like to build others up.

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I mean, that right there, like if you were to put everything to the litmus test

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that you say is what I'm saying, building others up.

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Yeah. And that's that's really what it comes down to. It doesn't necessarily mean.

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Bad word or what word that I say. It's everything in the whole.

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Is it building someone else up?

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It's the lipid test we need to put it to. Absolutely.

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Let's end this podcast with two challenges. Okay. First is serious and the other one's kind of fun.

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Okay. The serious one is maybe if you have a cursing problem,

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maybe fast from saying cuss words for a week.

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Okay. And just see if you notice a difference in how you feel or how people approach you.

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You know, maybe just like make that conscious decision. You probably slip up,

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but you know, I'm going to really try not to.

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Sure. One of the things that helped me is I stopped listening to music with cuss words in it.

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That really helped. Yeah, that was a long time. But, you know,

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just cut out the curse words for a week and see what that feels like.

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The other challenge is, do you have a favorite Christian cuss word,

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a light cuss word, a Christian alternative, if you will?

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A light, a light Christian. If you do comment on the comment on this podcast

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and tell us what your favorite light cuss word is PG 13 version.

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Oh my goodness. Of your favorite curse word. It's been fun, dude.

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This, like I said, this is real, really made me think a lot more than I thought

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it would. Honestly, a barrel full of monkeys, a barrel full of monkeys.

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