WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:27.776 --> 00:00:31.226 Eli Davis: Delquan is a very old and dear friend of mine. 00:00:31.346 --> 00:00:40.016 we met when we were in our, early teens, early twenties, and we pledged the fraternity Omega Psi Phi together. 00:00:40.296 --> 00:00:42.416 A to Gamma Chapter in 1995. 00:00:42.776 --> 00:00:43.316 Um. 00:00:44.491 --> 00:00:48.781 Delquan is one of the people that, that I can 100 percent depend on. 00:00:49.141 --> 00:01:08.396 I could depend on Delquan so much so, I remember when we had an event, when we were, when we were online and, we weren't supposed to be around any girls and I had a sister and I went to Burger King and, our dean came in and he said, Eli, I want you around them girls. 00:01:09.281 --> 00:01:13.411 And I said, you know, he said, find one of your L. B. s and come to the frat house. 00:01:13.711 --> 00:01:14.361 The only person 00:01:14.521 --> 00:01:16.021 Delquan Dorsey: so that, I didn't know. 00:01:16.141 --> 00:01:18.491 Okay, that's the first time I, that's crazy. 00:01:18.491 --> 00:01:25.891 I thought 30 years, 29 years, I'm getting the prelude, the backstory to why this even happened. 00:01:26.711 --> 00:01:30.651 Eli Davis: The only person that I knew that I could find was Delquan Dorsey. 00:01:31.121 --> 00:01:35.061 Delquan Dorsey, Delquan has always been an intellectual. 00:01:35.641 --> 00:01:39.971 so I knew that I was getting ready to, I knew that I could find him at the library. 00:01:40.291 --> 00:01:41.871 And that's exactly where he was. 00:01:41.871 --> 00:01:44.431 I said, Delquan, you got to come to the front house. 00:01:44.681 --> 00:01:48.281 First thing Delquan said, why you choose me? 00:01:50.141 --> 00:01:52.181 Delquan Dorsey: And once again, you choosing me. 00:01:52.741 --> 00:01:55.121 Well, no, it's always an honor. 00:01:55.311 --> 00:01:56.431 It's always an honor. 00:01:56.971 --> 00:01:58.871 but no, I appreciate it. 00:01:58.871 --> 00:02:00.301 Just a little background about me. 00:02:00.351 --> 00:02:06.491 Jefferson County Public Schools, work in the Office of Diversity, Equity and Poverty Department. 00:02:07.161 --> 00:02:15.531 I, people are calling me, and I, I do community engagement through a racial equity lens. 00:02:15.561 --> 00:02:29.151 And I also do supplier diversity, which is the inclusion of minority women owned businesses with JCPS, especially around the construction, and renovation areas, making sure we got a goal of 15 percent minority and 10 percent women. 00:02:30.431 --> 00:02:32.841 So that's always its own little piece of work. 00:02:33.241 --> 00:02:38.441 And then I also do some, work with smaller businesses and nonprofits that support our schools. 00:02:38.751 --> 00:03:08.701 That are, more often led and owned by individuals that look like you and I, but here recently, to more point to this topic conversation, I've just, kind of relocated my office, actually in a building that was, house that was housed by one of our departments in J. C. P. S. And they all moved, due to an agreement in partnership, actually, with the pastor of my church, who also has a community development corporation. 00:03:09.731 --> 00:03:10.021 Eli Davis: Oh, that's 00:03:10.021 --> 00:03:16.891 Delquan Dorsey: And the superintendent and the pastor got together and said, you know what, this building was originally for the community. 00:03:17.286 --> 00:03:23.386 And we want to make sure that we're using this building to support the families and students in this community. 00:03:23.886 --> 00:03:27.246 And so I've come back and moved into this office. 00:03:27.246 --> 00:03:33.436 So I live right across the street from where I actually grew up and where the housing projects, where I grew up. 00:03:33.466 --> 00:03:34.946 Of course, they don't look the same now. 00:03:34.946 --> 00:03:36.256 They got a facelift too. 00:03:36.636 --> 00:03:38.356 Yeah, the hood look cute now. 00:03:38.356 --> 00:03:42.241 Yeah. 00:03:42.676 --> 00:03:44.616 Eli Davis: The hood looks crime still the same. 00:03:45.081 --> 00:03:45.491 Delquan Dorsey: Right. 00:03:45.841 --> 00:03:53.291 So now that we're trying to bring back these, these resources and address some, because yeah, you could get a facelift, right? 00:03:53.391 --> 00:04:05.991 You could do bricks and mortar, but if you're not doing the work of developing the people that live there, then those, those social conditions will lead to, you know, one of those outcomes is crime, right? 00:04:06.751 --> 00:04:08.671 because, you know, due to deprivation, right? 00:04:09.381 --> 00:04:22.871 And so how can we, as community builders, those who serve students and families, those who are in the fields of education, because now in the 21st century, especially because of the political climate. 00:04:23.586 --> 00:04:27.366 Everybody knows the powers in education knowledge is power. 00:04:27.916 --> 00:04:36.866 And if they, if the powers can be could control public education or education period, then they could feel like they could control everything else they could control the people. 00:04:38.476 --> 00:04:38.936 So, 00:04:39.026 --> 00:04:41.366 Eli Davis: you know, well, we know, we know that's a fact. 00:04:41.416 --> 00:04:46.136 That's why they had the anti literacy laws back during enslavement, right? 00:04:46.166 --> 00:05:04.306 You know, once you control what the people can think about and how they can think, and then the cultivation of thought, you know, based off of having people be able to read the written word from, you know, one person to another, you have the ability to control psychologically. 00:05:04.766 --> 00:05:06.736 So, so I totally understand. 00:05:06.736 --> 00:05:15.016 I know that you wanted to talk about the, the equity and how the digital divide, came up, explain how the digital divide is going on, where you are at Del Point. 00:05:15.616 --> 00:05:30.956 Delquan Dorsey: Well, so, you know, I guess from a community builder standpoint is really how people using access technology to for their upper mobility. 00:05:30.956 --> 00:05:31.216 Right. 00:05:31.881 --> 00:05:43.411 And, you know, nowadays we're being dragged along, you know, it's just interesting little things like when you do community meetings now, you want to do RSVP. 00:05:44.296 --> 00:05:48.046 You have to put the QR code on the flyer, right? 00:05:49.336 --> 00:06:02.196 And so, if you got the QR code, then you assume that those who you want to come out will utilize the QR code still add the phone number on there, you know, for the grandmothers and older generation, but. 00:06:02.526 --> 00:06:10.566 You know, it's easy to just hit that QR code and for, you know, you got social media, things of that nature. 00:06:10.566 --> 00:06:17.076 And so people even in low income areas can access, online applications. 00:06:17.086 --> 00:06:21.016 It's almost in order to survive, you have to be able to access the internet, right? 00:06:21.266 --> 00:06:24.196 So it used to be the previous gap and now that gap is closed. 00:06:24.196 --> 00:06:25.536 So the new gap is AI. 00:06:25.926 --> 00:06:27.896 So now how 00:06:28.001 --> 00:06:29.091 Eli Davis: So, so just real quick. 00:06:29.331 --> 00:06:34.321 So, so the digital divide is the access to, digital technology. 00:06:34.581 --> 00:06:42.291 Right now we're seeing that the digital divide is most pronounced based off of access to wifi. 00:06:43.161 --> 00:06:43.651 Right. 00:06:44.191 --> 00:06:53.601 and also now with the artificial intelligence, it's going to be an access to the technology that can operate the artificial intelligence effectively. 00:06:54.141 --> 00:06:54.761 Okay, good. 00:06:54.801 --> 00:06:55.261 Go ahead. 00:06:55.661 --> 00:06:55.921 Yeah. 00:06:55.921 --> 00:06:56.201 Yep. 00:06:56.231 --> 00:06:56.401 Yep. 00:06:56.411 --> 00:06:56.741 Go ahead. 00:06:57.081 --> 00:06:57.291 Yep. 00:06:57.321 --> 00:06:57.561 Go ahead, 00:06:57.676 --> 00:06:59.136 Delquan Dorsey: so it's all about the application. 00:06:59.136 --> 00:07:07.246 So how can we now that people have the tools in their hand and say, for instance, I want to apply for a job. 00:07:07.776 --> 00:07:14.956 Well, they still have some paper applications, but more often than not, a lot of these positions. 00:07:15.376 --> 00:07:17.506 You have to go online to apply for. 00:07:17.506 --> 00:07:17.706 Right? 00:07:17.706 --> 00:07:23.106 And so, you know, a lot of community, based organizations. 00:07:23.536 --> 00:07:29.566 some of us have, computer labs where they could go and apply, get assistance, so on and. 00:07:29.871 --> 00:07:31.231 Therefore, so on and so forth. 00:07:31.511 --> 00:07:38.861 But then, even once you apply, you got to be able to know how to use the computer once you get the job. 00:07:39.371 --> 00:07:47.481 Now, true enough, some positions, you know, they pretty much teach you when you get there, but you still have to have some skills and some sense. 00:07:48.076 --> 00:07:58.936 So, how do we support those individuals who have, don't, who wouldn't have the access or wouldn't typically have a job where we learn a lot of the stuff? 00:07:58.936 --> 00:08:03.336 I wouldn't know what I know if it wasn't for the job that I have. 00:08:03.336 --> 00:08:10.646 I would know a little bit, you know, but more often than not, we learn our skills based on our occupations. 00:08:11.051 --> 00:08:13.671 Eli Davis: So, so, you know what, when you're talking about jobs, 00:08:13.726 --> 00:08:17.906 Delquan Dorsey: get, you know, jump in Eli and Gabby, man, cause you know, I'll go to Ain't Kitty. 00:08:18.491 --> 00:08:18.791 Eli Davis: no. 00:08:18.791 --> 00:08:29.816 I'm just saying though, you know, as you talk, I get these thoughts and, what I've been doing is, thinking about like how, oh, so, so, you know, I teach this course. 00:08:30.431 --> 00:08:33.841 this college course in Miles College and, some of my students, they use, 00:08:33.916 --> 00:08:35.536 Delquan Dorsey: know you were teaching at Miles College? 00:08:35.691 --> 00:08:38.791 Eli Davis: yeah, some of my, so, yeah, brother, some of, some of my students. 00:08:39.861 --> 00:08:40.861 Yeah, well, thank you, brother. 00:08:40.881 --> 00:08:43.501 You know, some of some of my students, you know, scholarship. 00:08:44.181 --> 00:08:44.751 It's true. 00:08:44.881 --> 00:08:45.171 What? 00:08:45.181 --> 00:08:45.601 What? 00:08:46.401 --> 00:08:48.541 Delquan Dorsey: You don't know nothing about my family, my elderly? 00:08:49.336 --> 00:08:50.656 Eli Davis: so, so, 00:08:50.656 --> 00:08:51.896 Delquan Dorsey: that's, I'm impressed. 00:08:52.061 --> 00:08:52.351 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:08:52.351 --> 00:08:52.681 Thank you. 00:08:52.831 --> 00:08:58.441 But what, what, what some of my students do, they use artificial intelligence. 00:08:58.441 --> 00:08:58.721 Right. 00:08:58.821 --> 00:08:59.581 Delquan Dorsey: How do they use it? 00:08:59.851 --> 00:09:01.371 Eli Davis: Well, well, you know, they're using it. 00:09:01.381 --> 00:09:03.641 They just basically saying, write this for me. 00:09:03.691 --> 00:09:14.621 put the, they put in the prompt in, maybe, copy and paste in the rubric and saying, write this for me or copy and paste in the assignment and saying, write this for me, except for it's not doing a very good job. 00:09:15.121 --> 00:09:15.871 You know what I mean? 00:09:16.101 --> 00:09:16.851 So, so, 00:09:16.911 --> 00:09:18.721 Delquan Dorsey: it's just like with any technology, right? 00:09:18.786 --> 00:09:19.346 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:09:19.546 --> 00:09:20.796 So, so, so what I'm saying is 00:09:20.861 --> 00:09:22.071 Delquan Dorsey: in its early stages, 00:09:22.316 --> 00:09:34.516 Eli Davis: like, like, when you're talking about people that are doing these, no, when you talk about people that are doing these applications and, they say they got to do a cover letter, they got to do a reference, something, or they got to write an email, you know, to have. 00:09:34.796 --> 00:09:46.806 Artificial intelligence literacy or AI literacy to understand how to cultivate the technology so that it has your voice is something that has to be, is needed for people. 00:09:46.806 --> 00:10:07.186 And you think about like one person has the ability to have, AI literacy and then you have another person that don't have the ability to have AI literacy because it's not all Due to the technological divide, the tech divide doesn't just limit itself to the people, in the hood. 00:10:07.446 --> 00:10:10.606 it is big in districts, you know what I'm saying? 00:10:11.136 --> 00:10:11.586 Yeah, it's 00:10:11.741 --> 00:10:12.401 Delquan Dorsey: That's what, that's, 00:10:12.526 --> 00:10:12.956 Eli Davis: yes. 00:10:13.351 --> 00:10:15.961 Delquan Dorsey: unless you, unless there are, 00:10:16.176 --> 00:10:18.996 Eli Davis: personnel and all that too, you know, 00:10:19.346 --> 00:10:19.726 Delquan Dorsey: Right. 00:10:19.756 --> 00:10:30.616 So, so is it safe to say that AI knowledge is dependent on how much we are forced to use it? 00:10:31.176 --> 00:10:34.486 Eli Davis: yeah, it's, you know, I always related to playing the guitar. 00:10:34.496 --> 00:10:44.996 It's like, you know, you can pick up an instrument and you can make some sound, but how well or how good you get at it goes into practice, to use 00:10:45.176 --> 00:10:45.696 Delquan Dorsey: Practice. 00:10:45.696 --> 00:10:46.406 Application. 00:10:46.456 --> 00:10:58.486 Eli Davis: to use artificial intelligence And to get familiar with what it can do and what it cannot do, to familiarize yourself with, how you can use it, what you can use it for. 00:10:59.266 --> 00:11:02.136 it is essential, you know what 00:11:02.176 --> 00:11:05.206 Delquan Dorsey: with anything, that's anything with human behavior, man. 00:11:05.216 --> 00:11:07.936 We, that's what's cool, you know, cool about humans. 00:11:07.946 --> 00:11:12.416 Like we, we might not know something, but if we do something enough, we can learn. 00:11:12.846 --> 00:11:17.436 Eli Davis: But I also, yeah, that's the truth, you know, but I also look at it, like, 00:11:17.676 --> 00:11:18.946 Delquan Dorsey: And we can improve on it. 00:11:18.976 --> 00:11:28.356 Eli Davis: yeah, if you, if, but if you don't know, like certain things, talk about human behavior, if you don't, you know, I studied the science of epigenetics, right? 00:11:28.366 --> 00:11:31.356 And I think, intergenerational trauma on a consistent basis. 00:11:31.356 --> 00:11:37.356 I think about that a lot and there are there's a certain genre of language that goes to that. 00:11:37.706 --> 00:11:45.586 Now, if you don't know that genre of language, and then you want to use artificial intelligence to talk about something, it's not going to say, hey, man. 00:11:45.941 --> 00:11:47.171 How about think of this? 00:11:47.411 --> 00:11:49.941 You know, it's at this moment. 00:11:49.961 --> 00:11:50.921 It's not doing that. 00:11:51.091 --> 00:11:54.991 But what it does do, it does expand where you are. 00:11:55.371 --> 00:12:05.151 So what I'm seeing with my students is like, if y'all not reading the text, then y'all don't know what to say to the artificial intelligence to pull out the information that you need. 00:12:05.451 --> 00:12:09.201 And that, yeah, that Yeah, you know what I'm saying? 00:12:09.201 --> 00:12:11.621 So, so that goes into the, to just 00:12:11.721 --> 00:12:19.801 Delquan Dorsey: that's one thing that when you was trying, when you was showing me, that's the first thing I picked up on when you were showing me the chat GPT stuff at work. 00:12:20.231 --> 00:12:31.021 It's like, oh, yeah, you know, you could tell it to do certain things, but you also need to know some things already in order to be able to direct it. 00:12:31.311 --> 00:12:31.731 It's like. 00:12:32.321 --> 00:12:48.401 Yeah, I could get a GPS and I could drive his car somewhere, but I got to be able to know, you know, how to drive and I got to know certain rules and I just got to be able to understand you got to have some knowledge to go along with it. 00:12:48.761 --> 00:12:50.391 So that's going to be the challenge. 00:12:50.681 --> 00:12:58.721 And so I think, but I think to your point, if that hypothesis is correct, then somebody like myself. 00:12:59.111 --> 00:13:19.245 Needs to be intentional with how we use artificial intelligence and we do it informally because now You know, it's so cool being an african american community being a sports fan, you know, obviously, I don't go to the barbershop But we still have this virtual without walls Well, 00:13:19.351 --> 00:13:23.581 Eli Davis: for people listening, Delquan has a clean, very clean shaved head. 00:13:23.871 --> 00:13:24.351 Delquan Dorsey: to see that. 00:13:24.391 --> 00:13:26.411 Okay, we have thought we was on video too. 00:13:26.411 --> 00:13:42.321 Yeah, I'm one of the I'm of the follically challenged community Oh, but no, but these daddy barbershop talks right now, the barbershop talk was all about who knew the most about basketball, football, so on and so forth. 00:13:42.991 --> 00:13:58.361 Now, and you know, a lot of those people that will win those debates, I will have the higher standards with no having that knowledge will be the person sometimes not necessarily knew everything, but was the most passionate with giving a message, right? 00:13:58.501 --> 00:14:05.811 Now, you could be the little quiet introvert and you sitting over there with Google. 00:14:06.261 --> 00:14:14.631 and I don't care if such and such is loud and talking about LeBron ain't better than Jordan, you can kick out those stats. 00:14:15.531 --> 00:14:19.696 Now with Google, Google is a, is a artificial intelligence. 00:14:20.346 --> 00:14:25.926 Now, nowadays, we, you know, can you imagine what it'd been like if we had YouTube when we came along? 00:14:28.906 --> 00:14:33.106 I mean, think about all the stuff that you fixed at your house with YouTube. 00:14:33.956 --> 00:14:40.876 of all the stuff that you learned to do with YouTube that you didn't have to go, you didn't have to call no number. 00:14:41.056 --> 00:14:41.721 All you had to do. 00:14:42.931 --> 00:14:46.351 had to know what to put in that search button, that search option. 00:14:46.711 --> 00:14:50.431 Because if you don't put the right words in that search option, you're not going to necessarily 00:14:50.541 --> 00:14:54.331 Eli Davis: But that, but, you know, Delquan has done very well for himself, you know, 00:14:54.411 --> 00:14:55.561 Delquan Dorsey: I hear a butt coming. 00:14:55.821 --> 00:14:56.191 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:14:56.341 --> 00:15:04.971 So, Delquan is, when he talk about, his YouTube access and Wi Fi and all this stuff, he talking about from, an elite status, you know what I mean? 00:15:05.191 --> 00:15:11.341 And some of it, and some of it, I'm serious though, you know, DQB, going down here in Birmingham, Alabama, teaching in these public 00:15:11.661 --> 00:15:13.401 Delquan Dorsey: Ain't no YouTube on the cell phone? 00:15:13.651 --> 00:15:17.451 Eli Davis: Well, well, some of these kids ain't got cell phones, you know what I mean? 00:15:17.461 --> 00:15:17.611 And 00:15:17.621 --> 00:15:18.211 Delquan Dorsey: what age would 00:15:18.221 --> 00:15:19.071 Eli Davis: don't have cell phones. 00:15:20.201 --> 00:15:20.541 Huh? 00:15:20.591 --> 00:15:27.631 Delquan Dorsey: age would you say, what age would you say, I don't want to be too stereotypical, but what happened to the Obama phones? 00:15:27.631 --> 00:15:28.926 I thought the Obama, you 00:15:29.031 --> 00:15:29.481 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:15:30.161 --> 00:15:33.571 You know, but that goes into, do you have the ability to access? 00:15:34.141 --> 00:15:34.691 You know what I mean? 00:15:34.691 --> 00:15:43.111 I think that the technological divide is greater than just, having access to Wi Fi and having access to technology. 00:15:43.121 --> 00:15:52.911 It also has Access to information and access to how to get to the support and to the information, you know, yeah, to get to the resources. 00:15:53.161 --> 00:15:53.711 It's a lot. 00:15:53.741 --> 00:16:00.471 It's a lot of folks out here, man, that, don't have the ability, to get to the resources. 00:16:00.551 --> 00:16:10.396 And a lot of times what I'm starting, what I'm really seeing in a profound way in, Birmingham is the, How people are being educated. 00:16:10.406 --> 00:16:12.986 this goes into, you know, it sucks. 00:16:13.536 --> 00:16:19.186 why black men not, supporting Kamala Harris, in such a profound and big way. 00:16:20.061 --> 00:16:22.071 Delquan Dorsey: I got a theory on that's not being talked about. 00:16:22.101 --> 00:16:32.401 You want to was talking to a sister I work with, and I talked to in another friend of mine, initially, who I'd talked to, and both of them being Black women. 00:16:32.856 --> 00:16:33.606 confirmed it. 00:16:34.116 --> 00:16:35.656 So think about this. 00:16:35.666 --> 00:16:38.936 This is what's in the interesting dynamic, you know, and don't get me wrong. 00:16:38.986 --> 00:16:41.826 I'm politically, somewhat politically astute. 00:16:41.836 --> 00:16:44.586 So I ain't hating on Kamala Harris at all. 00:16:44.616 --> 00:16:50.796 I just, it's just understanding to your field of study, understanding that. 00:16:51.411 --> 00:16:53.151 Yeah, we may be a new generation. 00:16:53.151 --> 00:17:03.611 We may do things different, but regardless of how different this generation is, there are a lot of things that we still inherit and we still bring from previous generations. 00:17:04.281 --> 00:17:07.431 and pre, and previous social and cultural structures too. 00:17:07.926 --> 00:17:13.396 So, now, Kamala Harris, if she wins, she won't be the first black president, right? 00:17:13.621 --> 00:17:15.481 We had a black president, right? 00:17:16.671 --> 00:17:18.231 And he was a brother, right? 00:17:18.936 --> 00:17:19.206 Eli Davis: huh, 00:17:19.831 --> 00:17:21.421 Delquan Dorsey: he was a brother, married to a sister. 00:17:21.926 --> 00:17:28.911 Kamala Harris is a sister that is not necessarily married to a brother, right? 00:17:29.656 --> 00:17:36.926 And so if you, and so as black men all of our lives, what have we been told by black women? 00:17:37.136 --> 00:17:37.856 If you date. 00:17:38.386 --> 00:17:46.816 If you date a woman outside your race, especially a white woman, you're gonna be looked at kind of, you know, they're gonna have their thoughts about you. 00:17:47.036 --> 00:17:47.476 Right. 00:17:47.906 --> 00:17:53.346 And I said, suppose Barack was married to Michelle, but Michelle was white. 00:17:53.376 --> 00:17:56.516 Would you, do you think black women would have supported Barack? 00:17:57.236 --> 00:17:59.346 And H1, I'm saying, no. 00:17:59.681 --> 00:18:00.761 Eli Davis: That's an interesting comment. 00:18:01.021 --> 00:18:03.621 you know, the, that's very interesting. 00:18:03.671 --> 00:18:06.961 black women actually are the least people that date outside their race. 00:18:08.171 --> 00:18:08.891 You know what I mean? 00:18:08.911 --> 00:18:10.711 Black men, we're, yeah. 00:18:11.281 --> 00:18:15.121 And black men, we date outside our race, at some of the highest rates. 00:18:15.491 --> 00:18:17.471 So, you know, it's, so, so, so 00:18:17.796 --> 00:18:22.076 Delquan Dorsey: What about, but, so, but the interesting thing is, okay, so who white men are dating? 00:18:22.076 --> 00:18:26.046 I know it's multiple races, but you know, they might date Hispanic or Asian or whatever. 00:18:26.066 --> 00:18:26.436 But, okay. 00:18:27.121 --> 00:18:29.701 Eli Davis: yeah, I think that everybody, I think that everybody. 00:18:30.166 --> 00:18:33.246 Everybody yeah, no, no black women don't date outside of their race. 00:18:33.486 --> 00:18:33.596 I 00:18:33.826 --> 00:18:45.977 Delquan Dorsey: corporate America made that shift to, to present that, if you notice, remember it was a taboo thing like that, to have interracial couples on TV, now every commercial you see, they like, let's cover the demographic, 00:18:46.227 --> 00:18:48.297 Eli Davis: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, you got, 00:18:48.527 --> 00:18:49.157 Delquan Dorsey: every couples 00:18:49.527 --> 00:18:56.087 Eli Davis: you know, you know, I mean, you got Trevor Noah, is somebody who, you know, they, he used to be on The Daily Show. 00:18:56.447 --> 00:19:05.707 Trevor Noah also is a big advocate for artificial intelligence and also ensuring that artificial intelligence is distributed equitably. 00:19:05.707 --> 00:19:10.267 And, but, you know, he comes from the, the South American apartheid. 00:19:10.777 --> 00:19:11.367 You know what I mean? 00:19:11.367 --> 00:19:25.207 It seems very existence was a crime because it was illegal, you know, just like it was in, in America at one point, you know, for, black men and black women or white men or interracial relationships, you know what I'm saying? 00:19:25.377 --> 00:19:26.297 So, so, 00:19:26.347 --> 00:19:39.827 Delquan Dorsey: which is, which, I mean, you know, but when you start looking at our actual DNA and biological setup, man, it's a lot more mixed folk than 00:19:40.467 --> 00:19:40.746 Eli Davis: Oh 00:19:40.796 --> 00:19:41.746 Delquan Dorsey: mixed and we 00:19:41.786 --> 00:19:42.186 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:19:42.236 --> 00:19:44.256 that's what they say to be American is to be mixed. 00:19:44.651 --> 00:19:46.241 is mixed race, you know what I mean? 00:19:46.241 --> 00:19:47.706 Just to be American is to be mixed. 00:19:48.286 --> 00:19:56.526 You know, all of us, have that genetic disposition of multi multiple races or multiple, geographical influences. 00:19:56.856 --> 00:19:58.236 So, you know what I mean? 00:19:58.446 --> 00:19:58.656 But, 00:19:58.706 --> 00:19:59.266 Delquan Dorsey: anyway, 00:19:59.541 --> 00:20:02.801 Eli Davis: yeah, I don't know how we go, like how, like, like, you know, how we get 00:20:02.906 --> 00:20:03.246 Delquan Dorsey: Did you 00:20:03.631 --> 00:20:03.961 Eli Davis: Oh yeah. 00:20:04.351 --> 00:20:05.491 We, the a, a AI. 00:20:05.911 --> 00:20:20.091 You know, but no, in all honesty, you know, it does relate to, artificial intelligence and then the different kinds of exposure, going along with the critical, the ability to think critically about what you're being exposed. 00:20:21.956 --> 00:20:23.256 So it goes to me. 00:20:23.256 --> 00:20:26.426 It just is fundamental on an educational space. 00:20:26.456 --> 00:20:29.346 And, Delquan used to work for the governor as well. 00:20:29.636 --> 00:20:39.816 So, you know, that's something that, that, being of a political influence at a high level is probably why he started to go into, a political realm. 00:20:40.206 --> 00:20:41.916 But, I know for a fact. 00:20:42.096 --> 00:20:57.916 So, so Delquan, is there any kind of initiatives that is going on that is, promoting, artificial intelligence, literacy, AI literacy, in the district or in the community, or do you think that's something that, everybody is still a little nervous about artificial intelligence or 00:20:58.076 --> 00:21:22.366 Delquan Dorsey: people are still yeah, I think people are nervous about it, obviously, because, you know, they see on social media, some of these, you know, creative, results or outcomes of someone is, you know, done some things you see in your music videos and your TV, your social media, And I, you know, people naturally are scared of what they don't know. 00:21:23.326 --> 00:21:23.736 Right. 00:21:24.386 --> 00:21:28.566 And then you also hear, well, AI is going to come take the jobs. 00:21:28.791 --> 00:21:29.211 . Eli Davis: It will, 00:21:29.966 --> 00:21:37.686 Delquan Dorsey: It will, but you got to understand, you know, jobs, the job that you had didn't always exist. 00:21:37.896 --> 00:21:38.296 Right. 00:21:38.531 --> 00:21:38.881 Eli Davis: Uhhuh, 00:21:39.936 --> 00:21:43.126 Delquan Dorsey: So we were constantly evolving. 00:21:43.136 --> 00:21:45.716 So it's important as we, as individuals, right. 00:21:46.111 --> 00:21:48.281 Have the mindset to want to learn. 00:21:48.461 --> 00:21:57.181 I think that's the most important thing is to have the mindset of being not only being a student, but being willing to learn. 00:21:57.181 --> 00:22:00.821 So, here at the district, I'm seeing 1 of our partners. 00:22:01.811 --> 00:22:05.491 She's doing some really cool things around, the, the goggles. 00:22:06.591 --> 00:22:07.521 Eli Davis: Virtual reality. 00:22:07.546 --> 00:22:10.226 Delquan Dorsey: me show my English reality goggles. 00:22:10.876 --> 00:22:13.886 And they're building whole structures and things. 00:22:14.250 --> 00:22:16.896 and, and using that technology. 00:22:17.346 --> 00:22:20.736 And so, and I told I was like, look, I mean, I need y'all to give me a training. 00:22:20.956 --> 00:22:23.706 I know y'all work with the kids, but I won't learn with the kids. 00:22:23.707 --> 00:22:30.336 And so they do some real cool things around there, but, of course, we're not doing enough and so. 00:22:30.771 --> 00:22:49.171 That's one of the reasons why I've kind of moved into this space so that we could start not only having young people and family in, but also be intentional on how to bring those resources and tools into the community and give folks using them in a way to their benefit. 00:22:50.196 --> 00:22:59.066 And not only to that benefit, but how we how can we move to the benefit and actually start using it with the intentionality around developing skill? 00:22:59.966 --> 00:23:04.656 Yes, I would take the jobs, but if you know how to work, and you just got a new job 00:23:04.881 --> 00:23:05.091 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:23:05.091 --> 00:23:05.721 You got, yep. 00:23:05.751 --> 00:23:06.651 You got a new job. 00:23:06.681 --> 00:23:06.951 Yep. 00:23:06.951 --> 00:23:08.781 and that's, that goes into 00:23:09.136 --> 00:23:10.556 Delquan Dorsey: without the school loans. 00:23:10.851 --> 00:23:11.901 Eli Davis: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 00:23:11.901 --> 00:23:12.651 Without the school. 00:23:12.846 --> 00:23:16.645 and that goes into me it is, is how can. 00:23:17.430 --> 00:23:28.866 We get African American people within the community to understand that using artificial intelligence is essentially getting ready to speed things up. 00:23:29.406 --> 00:23:35.756 And if it's getting ready to speed things up, it's going to speed that technology divide, that digital divide too. 00:23:36.206 --> 00:23:48.921 It's going to, if we don't get, black folks or our people to, Start to use and utilize and learn how to, make money or treat eight with artificial intelligence. 00:23:48.951 --> 00:24:00.301 I just know for a fact that the digital divide is going to come and become a digital chasm because everything is getting ready to get sped up. 00:24:00.661 --> 00:24:02.231 everything's just getting ready to get sped up. 00:24:02.591 --> 00:24:11.591 Delquan Dorsey: and that, and that will happen and the chasm will be, will have variation it be person to person. 00:24:11.831 --> 00:24:22.701 That's the one thing that's interesting, you know, and I feel how when we have these conversations and we talk about large groups of people, it's so easy to. 00:24:23.816 --> 00:24:28.456 Make the mental shortcut to throw everybody in one type of perspective. 00:24:28.831 --> 00:24:35.751 When in actuality there's, you know what I'm saying, there's various levels based on individuals. 00:24:36.036 --> 00:24:44.915 And so my point is that, yes, some people will be left behind, just like they got left behind with the internet, but eventually they got drug alone, right? 00:24:45.995 --> 00:24:50.785 My mother was like, you know, one day my mother was like, okay, Delquan, I had enough. 00:24:51.245 --> 00:24:52.015 I need wife. 00:24:52.805 --> 00:24:55.265 Cause she couldn't watch nothing on TV, like she, 00:24:55.600 --> 00:24:55.860 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:24:56.040 --> 00:25:00.650 But I mean, just but just to think about everything that she missed, though, you know what I mean? 00:25:01.485 --> 00:25:01.815 Delquan Dorsey: Right. 00:25:01.815 --> 00:25:07.115 And so now that she has access, now I gotta get off the, now I gotta get off the YouTube. 00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:07.800 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:25:07.905 --> 00:25:09.165 Delquan Dorsey: there she's catching up. 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:09.920 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:16.430 So, so what I'm what I'm what I'm experiencing the queue because, when open AI came out. 00:25:16.885 --> 00:25:17.325 Right. 00:25:17.485 --> 00:25:21.065 I think a couple of years ago, and it can, it dropped around November. 00:25:21.135 --> 00:25:21.545 Right. 00:25:21.885 --> 00:25:30.275 I learned about open AI, maybe two months after that, and I started to, learn about research. 00:25:30.305 --> 00:25:30.695 shucks. 00:25:30.695 --> 00:25:35.545 I started to watch, you know, the CEOs and the video Microsoft. 00:25:35.655 --> 00:25:48.085 I've been watching Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Oh, man, I've been really engaging into, a lot of the, the CEOs and the moves that people are making with the artificial intelligence is on top 00:25:48.445 --> 00:25:55.295 Delquan Dorsey: And what, and not to cut you off, but what's interesting, even when those people that's talking, somebody had to tell them what to say. 00:25:55.295 --> 00:25:56.435 Somebody had to teach them. 00:25:56.645 --> 00:26:00.005 'cause they CEOs are not sitting there learning this stuff 00:26:00.025 --> 00:26:12.695 Eli Davis: Well, well, well, some of, well, some of these particular CEOs are also people who have, are some of the people who are foundation, foundational in, establishing artificial intelligence and getting it off the ground. 00:26:12.695 --> 00:26:15.015 So they, you know, they, a lot of them, they know 00:26:15.205 --> 00:26:15.745 Delquan Dorsey: a lot of it, 00:26:15.765 --> 00:26:16.095 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:26:16.150 --> 00:26:16.370 . Yep. 00:26:16.630 --> 00:26:19.430 And, they are where they are because they know what they know. 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:20.560 You know what I mean? 00:26:20.800 --> 00:26:21.130 So, 00:26:21.150 --> 00:26:22.560 Delquan Dorsey: But somebody still has to brief them. 00:26:22.910 --> 00:26:28.750 Eli Davis: Well, well, I'm sure that they don't know 100% everything, but No, these people are some of the people that's been writing the code. 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.440 is what, you know. 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.110 so, what, lemme see. 00:26:32.110 --> 00:26:32.560 Where was I? 00:26:32.590 --> 00:26:33.340 Where was I going? 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:33.740 oh, 00:26:33.865 --> 00:26:34.315 Delquan Dorsey: He's talking 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:35.000 Eli Davis: oh, okay. 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:35.360 I got it. 00:26:35.390 --> 00:26:35.690 I got it. 00:26:35.780 --> 00:26:37.820 So, so, what I know is. 00:26:38.330 --> 00:26:47.060 That I can do things now with artificial intelligence that people can't do. 00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:53.210 You know, it's not that because they don't know, they, can't do it or don't have the capacity to do it. 00:26:53.210 --> 00:26:54.500 It's just that they just don't know. 00:26:55.110 --> 00:27:03.430 I remember showing my students how to use, effectively, how to use artificial intelligence because their writing was, you know, their artificial intelligence writing was horrible. 00:27:03.840 --> 00:27:06.150 You know, I wonder what their regular writing looks like. 00:27:06.170 --> 00:27:07.170 You know what I mean? 00:27:07.545 --> 00:27:16.455 but, so I remember showing them and I remember one of my students and I just put like five sentences inside or five different prompts. 00:27:16.865 --> 00:27:19.635 one of my students said, I didn't even know you could put that much in there. 00:27:20.615 --> 00:27:22.385 these are people who are in their early twenties. 00:27:23.165 --> 00:27:23.565 Delquan Dorsey: Right. 00:27:23.790 --> 00:27:37.010 Eli Davis: You know, and I think about this and I said, you know, some of people are so scared or, you know, there's a group of population that has never been exposed to any kind of new technology, right? 00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:39.980 they've been born, like your children, you know what I'm saying? 00:27:40.060 --> 00:27:44.460 my, my son, and they always have had this technology. 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:46.850 Elijah has always had a cell phone. 00:27:46.860 --> 00:27:48.370 He always had internet. 00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:54.570 So now all of a sudden there's something that is new and they don't know how to deal with it. 00:27:55.610 --> 00:27:56.330 You know what I mean? 00:27:56.330 --> 00:28:01.200 They want to be like, oh, that's just a fad because they've seen so many fads, you know, technology fads come and 00:28:01.445 --> 00:28:04.125 Delquan Dorsey: Well, it depends 00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:04.810 Eli Davis: Mhm. 00:28:05.655 --> 00:28:12.395 Delquan Dorsey: because once again, it goes back to, are you in a situation where you need and use it? 00:28:12.405 --> 00:28:18.845 Are you in a profession or passion or in a pathway of demand? 00:28:19.625 --> 00:28:27.685 So when you first taught you, when you first showed it to me, you was like, Your application and your practice was man. 00:28:27.685 --> 00:28:28.695 I'll write these grants. 00:28:29.100 --> 00:28:29.580 Eli Davis: Mhm. 00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:29.980 Mhm. 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:30.490 Mhm. 00:28:30.745 --> 00:28:31.555 Delquan Dorsey: You see what I'm saying? 00:28:31.795 --> 00:28:33.815 But then my son is about your age. 00:28:34.145 --> 00:28:44.595 What was really interesting was he's been a college student Of course, he said, okay dad, you know, I'm thinking I'm showing something that I thought you like Yeah, I get on chat GPT. 00:28:44.865 --> 00:28:51.820 Yeah, he said that's nice, but they got another app that The professors used that they could tell with what you wrote. 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:53.740 You used chat, GPT. 00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:55.650 He said, I said, for real? 00:28:55.890 --> 00:28:56.460 He said, yeah. 00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:57.630 He said, but don't worry about that. 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:58.920 'cause they got another app 00:28:59.865 --> 00:29:02.075 Eli Davis: yeah, but that's not, but that's, but that's actually false. 00:29:02.635 --> 00:29:07.865 because, what large language models do actually is they promote, they, they put out original content. 00:29:08.395 --> 00:29:09.195 You know what I'm saying? 00:29:09.495 --> 00:29:19.325 Whether or not you can understand, a standardized way, artificial intelligence or chat GPTs or these large language models, they kind of write in a similar way so you can tell. 00:29:20.075 --> 00:29:31.165 when something is being used, there's an overemphasis on, you know, saying things a particular way, but, you know, no, that's, you know, you can't take, you can't detect. 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:36.560 Something that is original as something that is copywritten, you know what I mean? 00:29:36.570 --> 00:29:50.900 And I think that's some of the lawsuits that they are going out are having one of my favorite writers You know, Ta Nehisi Coates is having a he's in a lawsuit for using his works, you know but you know 00:29:51.010 --> 00:29:52.750 Delquan Dorsey: doing he, he's doing somebody 00:29:53.530 --> 00:29:53.850 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:55.190 He didn't get into detail. 00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:59.870 He just said that, you know, they asked him what he thought about right artificial intelligence as a writer. 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:02.880 And he was like, you know, it's it for him. 00:30:02.910 --> 00:30:04.110 It's not really writing. 00:30:04.590 --> 00:30:05.460 You know what I mean? 00:30:05.690 --> 00:30:09.020 I gotta say, I feel you on that, Ta Nehisi Coates, but. 00:30:09.465 --> 00:30:28.075 everybody wasn't blessed with two parents that were, highly intellectual like your parents, everybody wasn't blessed with a dad who, you know, essentially owned a black bookstore and a mom who adamant about you reading and all that stuff, you know, and everybody wasn't blessed with those privileges, brother. 00:30:28.825 --> 00:30:29.445 So. 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.650 Delquan Dorsey: well, but at the same time though, it's kinda like. 00:30:33.515 --> 00:30:33.965 Right. 00:30:34.055 --> 00:30:42.735 And we get that and he has a gift and even with that, there is, there's still a talent level 00:30:42.755 --> 00:30:43.535 Eli Davis: Yeah, but a gift. 00:30:44.175 --> 00:30:44.615 A gift. 00:30:45.385 --> 00:30:45.765 What is it? 00:30:45.775 --> 00:30:50.485 what is what is a talent without cultivation without, you know what I'm saying? 00:30:50.485 --> 00:30:54.345 Without somebody being able to open up that flower though, you feel me? 00:30:54.965 --> 00:30:55.355 Delquan Dorsey: right. 00:30:55.385 --> 00:30:56.245 it's still a process. 00:30:56.855 --> 00:31:08.445 And I guess, you know, some people, but no, it's just funny that you said that because, well, it was just like, that was one of the people that you would, refer to when you first started using. 00:31:09.625 --> 00:31:11.145 When you was telling me how to use it, 00:31:11.320 --> 00:31:13.060 Eli Davis: yeah, but I don't mind, you know what I mean? 00:31:13.410 --> 00:31:13.880 Delquan Dorsey: I mean, 00:31:13.935 --> 00:31:26.395 Eli Davis: let me, prompt the artificial intelligence to, to critically think like a Ta Nehisi Coates or like a Toni Morrison or like a James Baldwin or like a Melissa Harris Perry or anybody, you know what I mean? 00:31:26.405 --> 00:31:30.465 Who I think that, I would like to glean intellectual insight from. 00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:45.310 Delquan Dorsey: so let me ask you this, let me ask you this, Mr. Intellectual, Mr. AI, do you feel like, do you feel like AI is a threat to intellectual aptitude 00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:58.810 Eli Davis: I think, I think that, AI is going to enhance intellectual aptitude, because it's going to allow us to make obscure and nuanced connections, right? 00:31:59.010 --> 00:32:05.140 So, so currently I'm in the midst of, you know, grappling with what my dissertation is getting ready to be, right? 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:09.920 while I'm grappling with what my dissertation is getting ready to be, I decided to write a book. 00:32:10.410 --> 00:32:26.800 And what I want, what I'm writing a book about is, intergen intergenerational trauma with the lens of epigenetics, meaning, you know, how experiences impact the expression of the, of your genes without changing or modifying the structures of your DN. 00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:36.025 A. so now, all of a sudden, I'm, I'm able to grab research that I had no idea existed, you know, through artificial intelligence. 00:32:36.265 --> 00:32:44.905 I'm able to make, connections from this, historical standpoint, from the Tulsa, 19, 1921 Tulsa Massacre, 00:32:45.695 --> 00:32:45.955 Delquan Dorsey: Right, 00:32:47.105 --> 00:33:18.925 Eli Davis: grab another connection from, all kinds of, social and, biological degradation and trauma from historical opponents of in, during enslavery, during enslavement, reach back before enslavement to start to understand the, the Mali empires and all that stuff to say that, you know, like, like I can now, make those Big and large connections, and do, and then, streamline my research. 00:33:19.315 --> 00:33:20.095 You know what I'm saying? 00:33:20.095 --> 00:33:29.385 So, so, I think that it's going to enhance because it has the ability to make these deep connections in a very fast way, 00:33:30.060 --> 00:33:30.990 Delquan Dorsey: right, right. 00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:35.130 You ain't you don't you if you want to pull in some information. 00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:42.310 Yeah, before you might have to find the right book of the right researcher and you might have to. 00:33:42.910 --> 00:33:51.860 Go to a bookstore in D. C. R. You might go to a bookstore in Africa, but now you don't have to do that. 00:33:51.860 --> 00:33:55.140 You just got to know who it was and where it is. 00:33:55.210 --> 00:34:01.160 and then you can access it before you used to have to take the time. 00:34:01.285 --> 00:34:08.945 To have to read each and every word and now you don't have to take the time to read each and every word to gain the full concept. 00:34:08.990 --> 00:34:25.155 Eli Davis: And you can get, yeah, and you can get the whole synthesis and you can make those connections, you know, you can make those connections from Rwanda, you can make those connections from the colonialization of Ghana, you can make those connections from the apartheid in South Africa, and then you can bring them all together. 00:34:25.215 --> 00:34:44.555 All together and then make those same nuanced connections with the degradation and the things that African Americans have experienced and are still experiencing and then go to a biological component and say what has this done to our stress response and how is this impacting us on an educational 00:34:45.155 --> 00:34:47.315 Delquan Dorsey: how are you planning on getting that piece? 00:34:47.315 --> 00:34:48.835 Because I get the historical. 00:34:49.335 --> 00:34:55.485 How are you planning on, how will you be able to grasp those along? 00:34:56.255 --> 00:34:58.545 Those, biological examples. 00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:06.840 Eli Davis: You know, so, so what you can do is you can, go to these articles, you know, if you know these different kinds of publications, like, 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:11.300 Delquan Dorsey: So basically have they captured the DNA of, of, you know, my great granddaddy, 00:35:11.475 --> 00:35:13.595 Eli Davis: well, well, well, so this is where it goes. 00:35:13.705 --> 00:35:16.760 a lot of research on African Americans haven't been done. 00:35:16.945 --> 00:35:21.095 Because of, you know, the devaluing of African Americans. 00:35:21.095 --> 00:35:22.685 And then it goes into, Eddie Glaude. 00:35:22.725 --> 00:35:23.925 Eddie Glaude, you know, he 00:35:24.085 --> 00:35:24.815 Delquan Dorsey: I was watching Eddie 00:35:24.895 --> 00:35:28.085 Eli Davis: MSNBC, brother, I think he's a professor at Princeton. 00:35:28.405 --> 00:35:32.775 And, what he talks about in one of his books called the democracy, something democracy. 00:35:33.125 --> 00:35:38.775 And, what he does is he talked about this thing that's called the value gap, this human value gap in which there is a gap. 00:35:39.195 --> 00:35:43.625 between the value of African Americans and our white counterparts. 00:35:43.935 --> 00:36:08.425 So, there has been a gap in the research of African Americans, even though we have been going through the traumatic, the historical trauma, you know, from the capture of, the capturing and the selling of the body from Africa to the for Years of enslavement to the failed reconstruction to the Jim Crow segregation to incarceration. 00:36:09.325 --> 00:36:12.605 Delquan Dorsey: do you think, so 00:36:13.015 --> 00:36:14.055 Eli Davis: So wait, real quick. 00:36:14.065 --> 00:36:15.085 So, so what we got 00:36:15.115 --> 00:36:16.155 Delquan Dorsey: have been researched 00:36:16.255 --> 00:36:16.555 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:36:16.585 --> 00:36:17.275 So what we got it. 00:36:17.285 --> 00:36:17.765 So we got to 00:36:17.775 --> 00:36:18.925 Delquan Dorsey: the wrong intentions. 00:36:19.095 --> 00:36:32.425 Eli Davis: So what we got to use is we got to research, we got to use research of other people like this lady who, Rachel Yehuda, who has researched the epigenetic influences of people who experienced the Holocaust, you know what I mean? 00:36:32.445 --> 00:36:35.615 And so we glean insight from her, we glean insight from other research. 00:36:35.930 --> 00:36:37.780 and it's a lot of research going on. 00:36:37.910 --> 00:36:46.430 not a lot, but it's some research out there that, that is on epigenetics and how, trauma historically still lives inside the body. 00:36:46.430 --> 00:36:52.050 I mean, you got, a lot of people that's doing a lot of research on trauma and a lot of research on trauma informed care. 00:36:52.050 --> 00:36:54.320 So, so you. 00:36:54.355 --> 00:36:55.225 Delquan Dorsey: district now. 00:36:55.255 --> 00:36:58.985 that's the interesting thing, but politically, they don't want to hear that. 00:36:59.790 --> 00:37:00.080 Eli Davis: huh. 00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:00.390 Yeah. 00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:06.180 But the thing is this is so, so, so yeah, politically they don't want to hear it, but this is one of the reasons 00:37:06.215 --> 00:37:07.015 Delquan Dorsey: even politically, 00:37:07.230 --> 00:37:08.440 Eli Davis: well, this is what, this is, 00:37:08.655 --> 00:37:09.285 Delquan Dorsey: standpoint, 00:37:09.560 --> 00:37:11.330 Eli Davis: well, well, this is what has to happen. 00:37:11.330 --> 00:37:16.200 There has to be a reckoning with, what, how education is getting ready to be done. 00:37:16.580 --> 00:37:20.425 or how it's going to be able to continue because but now we got fascists. 00:37:20.465 --> 00:37:22.055 We got people like, Donald Trump. 00:37:22.065 --> 00:37:24.855 My thing is like, okay, so Donald Trump has happened. 00:37:25.155 --> 00:37:26.005 what's after him? 00:37:26.815 --> 00:37:27.575 You know what I'm saying? 00:37:27.575 --> 00:37:28.195 What's after him? 00:37:28.245 --> 00:37:30.985 what, what has, what wound has this opened up? 00:37:30.985 --> 00:37:40.445 so that the disease confessed to the disease of white supremacy, essentially confessed her, you know, it's a lot of talk is a lot of talk on racial, racism. 00:37:40.505 --> 00:37:42.975 now for the first time I'm ever hearing it. 00:37:43.355 --> 00:37:45.545 On, national news networks. 00:37:45.785 --> 00:38:03.565 You know, my thing is if we don't continue to offer a critical analysis, right, a critical theory, critical thought, inside of our schools, then nobody's going to be critical of, of the next, monster to come to come to bear. 00:38:03.925 --> 00:38:04.615 You know what I mean? 00:38:04.625 --> 00:38:17.405 Delquan Dorsey: well, I think, but I think the, I think Donald Trump is just the symbolism of that mindset and that culture we know always existed and always has. 00:38:17.925 --> 00:38:25.560 But I think of it is this reckoning Is, you know, right in front of the bus. 00:38:25.560 --> 00:38:38.595 It's, but we also look at some, we have this tendency to look at it as an event, but really it's a process which is made up of a series of events, like they say, a point is, a line is a series of points. 00:38:39.265 --> 00:38:41.275 I think it's same way with the reckoning. 00:38:41.305 --> 00:38:44.995 Like this reckoning process is a series of events. 00:38:45.025 --> 00:38:47.825 Now, this election is a big event in that process. 00:38:48.075 --> 00:38:48.345 . Eli Davis: My, 00:38:49.095 --> 00:38:49.555 Delquan Dorsey: go ahead, 00:38:49.975 --> 00:38:53.685 Eli Davis: no, I'm just saying though, like, it's like a microcosm of all Right. 00:38:54.095 --> 00:38:56.675 it's this guy by the name of Yvo Harari. 00:38:56.765 --> 00:38:58.715 Yvo, Noah Harri. 00:38:59.095 --> 00:38:59.485 Right? 00:38:59.490 --> 00:39:00.745 He's, a super intellect. 00:39:00.745 --> 00:39:02.005 He's a historian. 00:39:02.005 --> 00:39:04.755 He is, educated in Israel. 00:39:04.975 --> 00:39:09.105 but he, I think he went to, European schools and in England and all that. 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.910 but just a very deep thinker. 00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:20.340 one of the things that he interrogates is how artificial intelligence is getting ready to be able to manipulate, you know what I'm saying? 00:39:20.660 --> 00:39:27.560 And if we don't, if we don't have the ability to interrogate on a critical level, if we're not. 00:39:27.740 --> 00:39:39.040 Teaching how to be critical about difference, different, stances in how we are educated, what we are educated about, how we know what we know. 00:39:40.045 --> 00:39:40.455 Delquan Dorsey: check it 00:39:41.500 --> 00:39:41.930 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:39:41.930 --> 00:39:44.360 Well, well, the thing is, it's not even like a fact check. 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:44.990 You know what I'm saying? 00:39:44.990 --> 00:39:46.150 It's just like an instrument. 00:39:46.200 --> 00:39:49.990 You know, we were just talking about earlier, you know, how to get better at something, right? 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:51.180 It is about practice. 00:39:51.460 --> 00:39:53.790 Critical thought is, it's just not something that happens. 00:39:53.790 --> 00:39:55.290 It's something that you learn how to do. 00:39:55.505 --> 00:39:55.805 Delquan Dorsey: right. 00:39:55.815 --> 00:39:57.475 it's a, it should be a behavior. 00:39:58.115 --> 00:40:12.200 And now I think even in education, we've gotten to the point where it's like, okay, if we're going to be teaching something, we need to be teaching skills around critical thinking, as opposed to, that's the reckoning taking place too. 00:40:12.650 --> 00:40:17.840 Because education was here before was all about, let me teach you how to assimilate, 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:18.800 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:19.590 Yep. 00:40:19.720 --> 00:40:30.460 and I think that, with the algorithms that are going on inside of the social media components, I'm seeing in the educational system, especially with all these little young. 00:40:30.875 --> 00:40:39.225 Young little, black girls with them, I don't know what they call it, the little baby hair that they be having all the time with these front lace wigs and this baby hair. 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:40.260 Delquan Dorsey: right? 00:40:40.835 --> 00:40:41.795 Eli Davis: Everybody got it. 00:40:42.235 --> 00:40:42.745 You know what I'm 00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:43.430 Delquan Dorsey: Oh, yeah, 00:40:43.745 --> 00:40:45.185 Eli Davis: Every, you know, you know, 00:40:46.910 --> 00:40:47.620 Delquan Dorsey: It's a hair trend. 00:40:47.630 --> 00:40:50.020 it's no more different than we was getting ports in our box. 00:40:51.990 --> 00:40:53.730 We was getting ports in our box, man. 00:40:53.730 --> 00:40:55.640 We was getting gummies, we was getting lines. 00:40:55.640 --> 00:40:57.320 I had lines in my eyebrows. 00:40:58.110 --> 00:41:06.960 Eli Davis: my thing is, as we keep on going inside of, you, you know, being exposed to artificial intelligence and, I think that we have to become critical of how we use it. 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.420 We have to be critical of who's who has 00:41:09.445 --> 00:41:15.355 Delquan Dorsey: As we're using it, we need to be asking, is this a good use of it, or what's the impact of it? 00:41:15.525 --> 00:41:22.995 We can't get too, we can't get too caught up with creating Frankenstein, not realizing Frankenstein could take us out. 00:41:23.355 --> 00:41:29.795 Eli Davis: Yeah, so, so, so my thing, Delquan, and, and I appreciate your time and so I want to be very conscious of your time. 00:41:29.795 --> 00:41:30.985 So, I just want to go 00:41:31.075 --> 00:41:32.065 Delquan Dorsey: hope this was helpful. 00:41:32.065 --> 00:41:33.465 This is probably not what you even wanted. 00:41:33.465 --> 00:41:36.075 No, 00:41:36.095 --> 00:41:36.745 Eli Davis: anytime. 00:41:37.015 --> 00:41:43.145 Yeah, in all honesty, Delquan, anytime that I get to sit down and just talk with good people is always a good time, you know what I mean? 00:41:43.295 --> 00:41:44.775 Delquan Dorsey: it's definitely, I know I learned something. 00:41:45.085 --> 00:41:46.095 Eli Davis: yeah, I had shoot. 00:41:46.095 --> 00:41:46.805 I learned some too. 00:41:46.805 --> 00:41:49.475 it's, I was about to crack a joke. 00:41:49.485 --> 00:41:50.875 I don't know how it was going to go over. 00:41:52.825 --> 00:41:54.535 Delquan Dorsey: You can always edit it out. 00:41:57.915 --> 00:42:04.340 But no, see, that's you practicing what you want people to practice with, with artificial intelligence. 00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:10.375 Like, oh, I had a good joke, but I won't be responsible because it might not. 00:42:11.115 --> 00:42:14.460 While, I mean, joy said you might not have the outcome that I, 00:42:14.660 --> 00:42:14.940 Eli Davis: Yeah. 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:15.210 Yeah. 00:42:15.680 --> 00:42:16.120 Yeah. 00:42:16.150 --> 00:42:16.980 You know what I'm saying? 00:42:17.020 --> 00:42:17.980 Impact and intent. 00:42:18.430 --> 00:42:18.840 All right. 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:23.690 So, Delquan, is there anything that you just want to go ahead and leave us with or, what we got? 00:42:24.270 --> 00:42:26.755 Delquan Dorsey: Well, no, I just wanted to say one for one. 00:42:26.755 --> 00:42:28.885 I'm very proud of you and the work that you're doing. 00:42:28.955 --> 00:42:39.685 I always, you know, that's one thing we've always been about is not only just, I always want to challenge intellectuals, right? 00:42:40.095 --> 00:42:46.375 Not just to be the, intellectual in isolation, but an intellectual in practice. 00:42:47.260 --> 00:42:52.590 And it's one thing to be smart, but don't be smart in every tower. 00:42:55.050 --> 00:43:00.840 Challenge yourself to share that, not only share that knowledge, get that experience. 00:43:01.290 --> 00:43:06.010 But how are you using it for the upward mobility of others? 00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:08.800 Eli Davis: Yeah, I appreciated Quan. 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.700 like I said, DeQuan is one of my oldest and dearest friends. 00:43:11.700 --> 00:43:14.040 As a matter of fact, he was my front online. 00:43:14.130 --> 00:43:15.960 He number three, I'm number four. 00:43:16.220 --> 00:43:19.340 and, you know, if, if there was somebody that, that, 00:43:19.450 --> 00:43:21.040 Delquan Dorsey: Eli's in my way, he's in my way. 00:43:21.775 --> 00:43:22.534 Eli Davis: yeah. 00:43:22.594 --> 00:43:23.374 The shoe, you know. 00:43:23.694 --> 00:43:26.234 so it is, I don't even remember who it was in my first one. 00:43:26.234 --> 00:43:26.414 I don't know. 00:43:33.244 --> 00:43:34.244 Delquan Dorsey: I was there too. 00:43:34.824 --> 00:43:37.494 Obviously, nicely coordinated your first weekend. 00:43:38.944 --> 00:43:39.804 On the fly. 00:43:41.694 --> 00:43:46.264 Eli Davis: n nonetheless, Quan is this, the quan is an amazing human being, you know? 00:43:46.294 --> 00:43:55.250 and so it was just such a pleasure DQ to, for you to support a brother and to be on here and to offer your insight and your, and your ideas and your perspectives. 00:43:55.490 --> 00:43:58.880 So, with that, we getting ready to go ahead and close out. 00:43:58.980 --> 00:43:59.930 I appreciate you. 00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:03.890 I appreciate you listening to thinking about and working with AI with Eli. 00:44:04.220 --> 00:44:04.650 All right. 00:44:04.700 --> 00:44:05.710 Peace and blessings y'all.