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I told you that was a banger.
All right, everybody.
I've seen that.
Y'all should have seen it backstage.
It was leaning with it and
rocking with it.
All right, so everybody,
I got Gibbs with me tonight, as always.
My brother from another mother.
And then.
What up, what up?
I'm borrowing Ben from Bill
from the pop break.
Somebody new,
so welcome a new council member in.
Also,
I was told that he is the commander
of our hearts.
The poor fella is a
Washington Commanders fan.
Poor fella was a very good
explanation for that.
We'll hold it against you.
We feel for you, buddy.
It's a sad existence for sure.
I'm a Bears fan, so...
Hey, but we've had a good preseason.
We are definitely all suffering.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
How many Super Bowls have the Bears won?
We have one, but it was before my birth.
How many Super Bowls did the
Commanders have?
Yeah, I was alive.
So, yeah,
we're rocking with the four right now.
Now,
ask me how many Super Bowls did the
Falcons have?
You almost had one.
It's fair.
Shut up.
Shut your mouth.
Shut your filthy mouth.
We didn't almost have one.
We bid to two.
28 to three.
Shut the hell up.
I'm hoping that Dan Quinn
has learned a little bit
from that experience and
now he's with us.
Oh, he's learned from it.
All right.
Never can keep a good QB down.
But we're not here to talk about football.
That was Kyle Shannabaum's fault.
But that's it.
I'm done.
But we are not here to talk
about football.
We are here to talk about
something that has been
plaguing Southern
California since the 1980s.
And that is juvenile
delinquency and how two men
who were prior juvenile
delinquents are trying to
remedy this through karate.
ladies and gentlemen if you
haven't figured it out by
now we are talking about
cobra kai season six part
one and by the way this is
the first show off the top
of my head that has gotten
a sixth season through
amazon uh netflix oh
netflix yeah netflix netflix
I'm not a company man or anything,
but yeah,
Netflix is where you'll find it.
You're right.
Hey, if you really want to get technical,
this started out as YouTube.
YouTube, man.
Yeah.
I watched it there first.
Yeah, I did too.
Two seasons on YouTube.
It's gritty roots before it
had a lot of funding.
And it got a lot of funding.
Yeah.
All right.
Can y'all still see me?
I don't know.
I can never know if anybody
can still see me while I'm
behind the scenes trying to see you.
I can see you.
Because I'm trying to share stuff.
You just brought a nice dark
ambiance thing going on now.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah.
I got to share stuff in the background,
so it's one of those.
It's multitasking that I'm
not very good at behind the scenes.
I'm just playing.
I'm pretty good at it.
But again,
we are talking about juvenile
delinquency and the two men
responsible for trying to
eliminate that in Southern California,
one by Johnny Lawrence and Ralph.
No, no.
What's his name?
John.
Is it?
What is his last?
Yeah, Johnny Lawrence.
Johnny Lawrence.
And then Danny LaRusso.
Danny LaRusso.
That's it.
That's the fellas.
And I got a... I'm almost there.
Who's really to blame for all of this?
He really is.
If he wouldn't have cheated
with that illegal swan kick,
we would not be in this situation.
If he would have just minded
his own business,
none of this would have happened.
We're going deep into the
origins of Karate Kid.
I used to play those movies.
I know they're recorded off the TV,
like VHS tapes for sure, for a long time.
All right, I'm back on.
Yeah,
it gets a little squirrely with me
sometimes when I'm behind
the scenes and it doesn't
like me to share stuff the proper way.
But yeah,
a little bat story for everybody
that we just went through
there with this little
history of where we're at
right now with Cobra Kai.
Which is cool,
because I'd rather it not be
split into three parts.
I'd rather they just gave it to us all.
You probably would have
binged it all by now,
and you'd just be sad that it's gone.
I would be.
Exactly.
But at the same time,
we'd be sitting here doing
a finale instead of a part
one of season six, which I'm cool with,
too.
I actually like it like this.
Because I can do a smaller
episode about it and then
throw in something else on top of it,
which is what we're doing
tonight with a whole other
different set of juvenile
delinquents later.
Much, much more delinquents, I believe.
Very much so.
So...
These five episodes,
these five episodes are
just jam-packed with delicious goodiness.
They were, dude.
It was, I mean,
we got the peacetime in the
valley for episode one.
We get some college in there
because they're all seniors
in high school now.
And then we get to the very
end where we're in, what was it?
Italy is where it's going to take place,
I think.
I forget where they actually
ended up putting it.
For Germany, something like that.
Yeah,
it's a good setup for the tournament.
Barcelona, okay.
Yeah.
So let's run it episode by episode here.
So let's hit up episode one,
peacetime in the valley.
where the Miyagi-Do students
struggle to put aside past
rivalries while training
for the Sekei Tekei World
Karate Tournament.
And of course,
Johnny and Chozen are
clashing over rebranding the dojo.
Kenny is becoming a little
juvenile delinquent,
just like his brother.
And then the return of Cobra Kai again,
this time in Korea.
I really enjoyed this episode.
It was a great way to
reintroduce everybody and
to get a vibe of where this
season was going to go.
It was mostly peaceful.
It didn't last for too long.
By the end of the episode,
not even the mid,
probably halfway through the episode,
we got the Battencage's brawl.
yeah and johnny and chosen
were uh trying to fight off
the bat too about the names
so yep you're gonna call
the dojo thing constant
argument and they're ready
to throw down just work out
some of their inner demons
that they've had going on
but it also build their
this this chosen finally
broke his father's board
that he never could in this
episode as well which I
thought was kind of like
One of those full circle
moment from the 80s to the 2024.
I know Gibbs had brought
that up when we were
discussing this earlier dates.
He was like, dude,
we got to talk about the board.
Girls will do that to you.
That was his final moment,
just talking about how he got rejected.
Yeah, that was.
Yeah, she didn't...
Yeah,
I kind of feel bad for Chosen because
it just hadn't stopped since the 80s.
No, it really hasn't.
First, Danny steals his girl,
and then he gets his girl back,
and then his girl's like, sorry, dude,
but I'm out of here.
I'm out of here.
Yeah.
I mean,
I never recommend getting broken
like pouring your heart out, but yeah.
He's a fighter, though.
He's a fighter.
He's not going to let it go that easy.
No, no.
He might be a little happy
in the old Miyagi-Do little
room and just renting out a
little space there from Danny.
He seems pretty content.
He needs some better Wi-Fi
connectivity there, though.
It's the simple things in life.
It's the simple things in life there.
So out of all of these
characters that we have
been introduced to
throughout this series...
which one to y'all has been
y'all's kind of like hands
down like the one person
you're really rooting for
in all of this I mean the
person to me that makes the
show and I think the reason
he was able to come back in
the first place was was
johnny lawrence just
because he's he's got the
nostalgic you know elements
he was bringing back an
original character and then
it's not very often that you,
and that's what I talked
about in the review.
Like,
I love the fact that the show even
exists because it took a villain,
you know, standard villain,
and then gave him like a
background origin story,
kind of what they've tried
to do with all the villains
from the show really is
give them a little bit more.
Humanized him.
Yeah.
Humanizing everybody.
So it was great to see like, you know,
Johnny coming around and it's,
and it's not that Johnny's
super successful now.
And like, he's a nice guy.
It was that he was really a
rock bottom and he's just
trying to work his way up.
And, uh, he's just always good for,
you know,
a little bit of edge to add to the show.
Um,
Got to drop an F-bomb here or there.
Got to say something
horribly inappropriate at the wrong time.
He's good for everybody to play off of.
He's probably got most of
the good one-liners and stuff like that,
too.
He's definitely got the best music.
Oh, yeah, obviously.
I don't know about vehicle.
His van is a little suspect.
Come on, man.
The Eagle Fang Karate van is
by far the best vehicle in this show.
can't wait to park that
thing outside and let
everybody know who the new
king of the neighborhood is
that's going to be in the
driveway every night johnny
johnny is the epitome of
the guy that peaked in high school
And everybody else went on
to do other stuff,
and he's just kind of that
guy that's still back home.
Yeah.
You know,
sometimes life has kicked him in the nuts,
but, you know.
We all know a Johnny.
I could go home right now,
and I'm going to talk to at
least two or three other Johnnies.
There we go.
They're not named Johnny,
but they are definitely Johnny Lawrence.
Actually, one of them may be.
I think his name actually is.
He goes by Johnny,
but that's beside the point.
He's trying to turn it around, though.
Yeah.
He'll tell you about it,
but he's still there.
All right.
I know for me,
like my one character that I
have rooted for for the
entire six seasons or since
they were introduced has
been Peyton Listis, Tori Nichols.
That, to me,
she's kind of like the
up-and-coming Johnny
Lawrence with a little bit more attitude.
And, by damn,
I want this girl to win so bad.
Like, I do.
I don't.
Oof.
What?
Ugh.
Bro.
Ugh.
Team Sam all the way.
Exactly.
Come on.
How?
I mean, that girl's been through it all.
Oh, my God.
She deserves just a little bit.
Just a little, man.
No,
what she deserves is to grow the fuck
up and settle up.
And they were trying to help her.
She can't get out of her own damn way.
Okay, now, you know what?
You're right about one thing.
She is the new age Johnny Lawrence.
And when this is all over,
she's going to be the one
that's tooling around
Reseda looking for shit to do.
Yep.
But, you know,
I want a little sunshine for her.
I mean,
because this girl had a rough half.
Rough first part of the season.
She did.
I cannot deny that.
She had some rough stuff going on, but,
you know,
One,
you saw that her and Sam were finally
getting to a place where they were okay.
And then the other stuff happened.
And, you know,
it's just like the shots hit.
Instead of leaning into
people that have shown you
that they're going to be there,
she kind of disappeared and
left old boy just trying to
figure out where the hell
is my girlfriend?
Yeah.
Little Johnny.
She had her things, and I understand that,
but then you come back and
you're even pissed at him?
Come on.
It's tough.
I agree, though,
that she's probably been
one of the more compelling
characters on the show,
and she's had to carry a
lot of the more dramatic moments.
That piece of it's kind of interesting.
Not that it's lighthearted
to see people beat the crap
out of each other,
but she's dealing with more
emotional trauma, I think, on the side.
Uh, so yeah,
her character has been through a lot,
but she is, gives this point,
making the wrong choice in
terms of going back to the, uh,
the old ways,
like at the first opportunity of,
you know, something, you know,
coming up and getting in her way again.
So you'd like to see her
make a smarter choice six episodes in of,
you know, this, well,
five episodes into this season,
but six seasons in.
But I think a lot of it is, you know,
all these characters tend
to go through that same
formula of like making the
same mistakes over and over again,
bringing up the same past issues, but.
Between her and Robbie, man,
which is funny because
Robbie is really little Johnny.
Like, literally, that's his kid.
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
He seems to be on the other
end of things now.
So if you're looking for
somebody that kind of took
the right path for the most part,
he's he's pretty level
headed at this point.
Yeah.
He's got to get a W, though.
Kid needs a needs a win in
this tournament.
He's he's on track to get his dub.
He's definitely on the track.
So as we move into episode two here,
and we see that Kreese is
getting ready to face a
dangerous test to prove his worthiness.
As Daniel offers Johnny a
helping hand while the
teens contemplate life
beyond high school.
And I know, Rob,
this is something you
wanted to talk about,
which is we finally see a
karate master finally
representative of every
Kung Fu movie we've ever seen.
The old white-haired master.
With the beard.
Master Kim.
Master Kim, man.
It was kind of cool.
How old is Master Kim now?
The dude's got to be about 125 at least.
At minimum.
Because, I mean,
he was old when we see him
in the flashbacks.
Yeah.
So, I mean,
this guy has been around
meditating in the hills of
Korea for quite some time now.
Yeah.
You can tell Kreese was a
little shocked to see him alive.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And in the back flashbacks,
he was beating the hell out
of the old girl.
Bro.
His own granddaughter.
Like,
he was tossing his granddaughter
little ass whippings that were, like,
adult size.
That was a tough little girl.
She had to earn it.
Got to be a little better
way about going about earning it, I hope.
The poor thing was hiding
behind a rock and he rolls up.
Swift kick right in the asshole.
Fits it every time.
She had to earn it.
And then once she earned it,
look at her now.
Look at her now.
Spreading Cobra Kai through
around the ages.
She seemed to be doing
pretty well before Kreese got there.
I don't know that he's
helping matters probably with that.
with the actual Cobra Kai
unit at this point.
No, and one of the things,
like the whole reason for
him going there is because
there's no way they were
going to let Cobra Kai that
they knew in the area of
California compete in the Seketake.
I think that's how I'm
probably butchering the shit out of that,
but we're rolling with Seketake.
Seketake.
I think I knew how to say it
before you started saying it.
Now I might have gotten it
wrong if I tried to say it.
I was more of a Sakai Taikai.
Yeah.
What they're saying.
Yeah.
He's got to leave the country anyway,
right?
He kind of had to go to
Korea if he wanted to do anything.
He can leave from Korea and
go to the tournament,
but he definitely wasn't
flying out of the U.S.
to go to the tournament.
Oh, hell no.
We're not going to try to
figure out how it is that
he got to Korea in the first place,
but...
Dude, he's a fugitive.
How he got on an airplane
with his passport is still
beyond... I don't think he
got on an airplane.
No way.
He had to have caught a
freight ship or something
to get off the coast
somewhere and bounce around a few times.
I don't know.
He found his ways.
He was former military, right?
Yeah, true.
He's got his ways.
You talked about the...
well the flashbacks but then
also like his his little
quest that he had to go on
with the cobra oh my god we
just started I think it
goes to until episode three
I think is that into three
okay yeah I think that's I
think it cut like he
finishes his quest in three
um interesting yeah I think
very interesting it we can
go ahead and let's hammer
out this quest that he went on his um
It's like Aaron Rodgers'
ayahuasca trip type thing
that he's got going on.
Yeah.
Dude, yes.
He's been by a snake and
then charged tripping.
I mean,
he could have been up in upstate
New York smoking peyote
with – what's his name?
From – what was his name?
Williams.
Ricky Williams.
Oh, my gosh.
He's like, oh,
I'm supposed to report the
football count?
Dude,
I've been up in upstate New York
smoking peyote and a teepee.
Like, okay, dude.
No, that whole thing was,
it was hilarious to me because, I mean,
some of the campiness from
the 80s certainly came out,
which I appreciate.
But, you know,
Kreese has always been such
a laughable villain.
Yes.
Go ahead.
If there's a villain you
ever just wanted to see fell,
that's the villain.
He's kind of like Skeletor.
You know what I'm saying?
He has all these dastardly plans,
but you know he's just
going to fall on his face
some way or the other.
Oh, yeah.
He was pretty formidable in
Karate Kid as just being
the straight up asshole.
He didn't really have any
dimensions to him,
whether he was just a jerk, so
I appreciate that they tried
to bring like something to his character,
show all of his backstory
with everything that they've done.
But then it's weird because
I feel like Cobra Kai kind
of like realized that they
ran out of villains and
they needed to cycle back
through some people.
So they're like, okay,
he's got to be a jerk again.
So we're going to have to bring it about.
We arrested Silver in season five.
So we can't circle back to that.
And Terry is building furniture.
Yeah,
but I do like his cameo in the first
part of this season, though.
And I think we get that in episode four.
Four, yeah.
Outside of to pick the team, yeah.
So here's a funny tidbit of
information for you.
Rob, you've been to Korea, right?
Yes.
There are no known venomous
snakes in the Republic of Korea.
Not one.
No.
So the fact that in this one
cave where this master,
what was his name?
Master Kim's lost his family knife,
that there is this one
albino magic cobra is like
a one in one million.
You might have been tripping
the whole thing.
I thought that, too.
I thought he was probably
poisoned before he went up
there and was tripping on something else.
It was a little gecko lizard
that he thought was a cobra.
Yeah,
but it was either that or selling him
insurance.
Either that or Mr. Kim put
the snake there himself.
something just a fucking
troll crease the whole
sequence was definitely the
one thing that was like why
I feel like we're taking a
little bit of time away
from the story at hand and
I feel like you could have
solved this in an easier
way but uh yeah you know he
needed a they somehow
wanted to come about him
confronting like Johnny
Lawrence and Johnny
Lawrence being his weakness
was like the idea that they
wanted to have and that he
and his mind needed to
defeat I guess Johnny
Lawrence this time uh to somehow like
overcome whatever's eating them up.
But yeah,
it was just a weird way of getting there.
We went a long way around to
get to a simple solution,
but you know what?
That was like every nothing,
everything about that said
1980s action movie.
Very, uh, Empire Strikes Back.
You know,
let's go very much yourself in
the cave kind of thing.
So exactly, exactly.
So take with you.
And that's, there he goes.
I will say this.
This one really gave us a
really good action sequence, though,
when the kids go to the
local junior college and
they meet up with –
Oh, the punk from the asshole,
the old boyfriend.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes.
I didn't write down his name
because he didn't.
That's him.
There you go.
I didn't write his name down
because he was only in the one episode.
And he got another 10
minutes of fame out of this,
which was really cool.
Because that was a great
fight sequence in the... In
the frat house.
At the frat house, yeah.
That was definitely one of
my favorite examples of
like the fights that
they've done where they can.
It was a cool setting.
Like you got the music going.
I like the way that it all got set up.
And then they're just.
And you had the pool table and.
And everybody's flying
around kind of fighting in their own way.
And it's the high school kids, of course,
that, you know, once again,
start the fight.
And it was of all people.
Miguel.
Miguel is like, you know what?
I don't like these guys being distant.
This dude.
And it's like, hey, dude, you know karate.
Let's go whoop these dudes' ass.
Like, Miguel, really?
What would your mommy say?
She'd say,
thank good on you for standing
up for somebody who...
clearly was being bullied
and defenseless it was
funny and it's like dude
you know karate what are
you doing just laying down
for these fellas yeah but I
get it you know he wants to
be a part of something he
wants to be a part of this
frat house and and then
they they I think the the
straw that broke the
camel's back is when they
were like yeah we're never
gonna let you in
Because he clearly heard them.
So all that it was was just
bullying and fucking with them.
And he was like, yeah,
they're not going to.
And then they were like, yeah, we're not.
Ha ha!
And that's when it all went down.
Ass whippings for everybody.
But he got invited to another fraternity.
A cooler one.
Apparently where all the
cool kids hang out.
I did love the beer bottle sequence.
I think they like
Knocked it out of one guy's hand,
caught it,
and then he hit him over the
head with it.
Yeah.
It's great how often, I mean,
this is just one example,
but how often these high school kids,
underage people can just
beat the ever-living crap
out of people and assault
with weapons and never do real jail time.
It's always just still slap
on the wrist and go.
Hey, your daddy's got money, man.
Your daddy's got money.
Half of these things are attempted murder.
The police department needs new cars.
Hey,
swing by LaRusso Auto Group and we got
you.
Just don't arrest my child.
Again.
The other takeaway from this
whole college frat sojourn journey?
Yes.
Was Hawk actually going, huh?
kind of like this environment.
Maybe I don't want to go to MIT.
Yep.
And maybe I want to just be a frat bro,
which he's totally turned into a frat.
I mean,
they probably don't have as many
opportunities for you to
chug beers and put them on your spikes,
you know?
Yeah.
It can be a little bit more busy studying.
So yeah,
he might just want a minute to
figure himself out before
he goes down that road.
So,
Yeah, I think that was big for him,
and that kind of sets the
whole dilemma up for him
for the rest of the season, too.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That was one of those good
secondary stories.
They kept going until the end of Episode 5,
really.
Yes.
It was the whole MIT, MIT thing,
and finally, you know, we'll get there.
But also in this episode,
Johnny starts working at
LaRusso Auto Group.
Working in quotations, yeah.
I don't know how LaRusso
expected this to go, but Johnny is Johnny,
and Johnny's never really
going to change.
No, but Johnny sells.
Somehow in like five minutes,
he sells a car.
Exactly.
And he wasn't even a salesman.
No,
he was supposed to be like washing the
cars or something.
Yeah.
That's what killed me.
He wasn't even supposed to
be a salesman and he sells
a car within five minutes.
And then he's like, yeah,
where's my office going to be?
What's this?
I was hoping they would do
something when it was like,
I can't believe I got such a great deal.
Like he had sold the car for
like 10,000 under value or something.
Like just giving her some
crazy deal that wasn't real.
I have no idea how he negotiated that one.
Johnny being Johnny, he's, you know,
he was charismatic for a reason.
Yeah.
And Mr. Russo is in there, like,
because he had a briefcase.
I love the line where he was like,
what do you think's in the briefcase?
It's like...
What is he carrying around?
You know there was not a
damn thing in there.
Maybe some snacks and a
couple of short boys.
Yeah,
I think she said like a peanut butter
and jelly sandwich or
something like that.
Yeah.
Heck yeah.
My daughter's been in here
twice now to interrupt and I apologize.
No, she's actually packing.
She's...
We're doing the drop-off
Thursday for college.
Uh-oh.
Yeah.
I'm going to need a few days
after this to cry and pick
myself back up.
I'll remember Sam.
Exactly.
Speaking of Sam,
Sam and Tori lose their killer instinct,
so Johnny devises a plan to
get their killer instinct back.
Well,
it isn't so much the killer instinct.
They'll sound off against everybody,
but they didn't want to
hurt their budding friendship.
Yes.
And how can you blame them?
I mean, those two have been through, like,
a lot of shit.
And now they're, like,
finally starting to see eye
to eye on things.
Now that there isn't a boy, you know,
kind of distracting them both.
Even though one of them is
still with Robby.
and the other with Miguel.
Did they swap partners?
Yeah, maybe multiple times.
I can't remember, but at some point, yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
STDs, people.
It's just, you know,
good old teenage melodrama.
Everybody did it.
It's like Saved by the Bell
all over again.
Yeah, I was going to say The Heights.
I was going to say The Heights.
The Heights.
I was Saved by the Bell guy myself,
but yeah.
Zach Morris is an asshole.
Have y'all ever seen that Facebook group?
Oh, yes.
He's trash, yeah.
He is trash.
And then also in episode three,
a shocking discovery turns
Daniel's world upside down,
and we'll jump into that.
Oh, by the way,
we learn in this episode
the tournament is going to
be held in Barcelona, Spain.
I think that's where Barcelona is.
Yeah, Barcelona.
confirmed and we learned
that there can only be six
fighters per team that's a
problem yeah when you got
like bro 13 no they had
like 20 something kids at
this point they combined
all the dojos so they got a
ton of people there's a lot
of uh background actors
that you never get to know
anything about and then a
couple they popped up for five minutes
Let's be real.
There was only a handful
that was guaranteed.
Yes.
And we didn't know who they were.
You got Robbie Miguel, Sam Torrey.
So that left legitimately
two spots that were left
for everybody else to fight over.
Yeah.
Maybe four or five people
that could really contend
for those spots too.
So it was a little bit of drama in there.
I mean, so we knew Hawk, Dimitri, Kenny,
and little LaRusso were probably like,
okay, of those four,
it's going to be two of those.
I thought the old girl who
did get the spot.
Devin.
Devin Lee.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I don't want to forget Devin
because Devin will come
around and snake you when
you don't expect it.
Oh, in the worst way.
In the worst way.
Terrible actions on her part.
Obviously,
she'll have to learn from her
mistakes like everybody else on the show.
Competition got the best of her.
It really did.
I think that's the next episode.
We'll talk about the brown belt.
the brown belt.
Oh, that's wrong.
It really is.
It's heartbreaking.
They find out that Miyagi
had another life.
Yes.
That's our big takeaway from this one.
Other than Sam and Tori
trying to get their killer
instincts back.
We learned that Miyagi, Mr. Miyagi, isn't
all he is cracked up to be
in the eyes of the St.
Daniel LaRusso.
Well, actually, I guess in this case,
it would be St.
Miyagi.
It was a weird plot point.
I understood how they wanted
to try to keep him relevant
to the story in some way,
but I don't know.
Maybe they'll get something
out of it and it'll kind of
evolve a little bit more in part two,
part three.
But as it is right now,
if that's like the whole
arc.
I don't know that I really
understand why they went that route.
It didn't really work.
There's something else that
they found in the box that
he didn't realize until
like the last episode or something.
But he realizes that I'm
going to jump forward just
a little bit just for this.
No, no, go for it.
As he found out that Miyagi
was not only had not only
fought in the Sekai Takai,
he was a captain in the Sekai Takai.
You know,
because he had the blood-stained
captain's bandana.
Yep.
And he also learned that he was a botzer.
He botzed.
Yeah.
I mean, we followed the clues here,
and we end up at this
shady-ass botzing gym,
which I don't know if any
of y'all have ever been to
a botzing gym before.
They all look that way.
Every single one of them.
Yeah,
I really don't see why that caused
him to have some heartache about Miyagi.
Yeah, Miyagi was multifaceted.
He was a fucking human at
the end of the day.
I get within Daniel's eyes
from when Daniel can
remember him that he was
this saint of a human who
taught him how to be an adult, basically.
Yeah.
I mean, it was, it was a way to go.
Uh,
and there'll probably be a lot more of
it.
Like you were talking about
that actually comes out
once they get to the
tournament and they can learn, like,
I guess his role there when he was there,
did he win the tournament?
Like what else kind of happened?
Maybe there'll be a board.
Yeah.
And if you were talking about, uh,
who was it?
Was it?
Okay.
Somebody was talking about people.
It was like,
they say people had died there
or just been injured.
Yeah.
So no, no, I mean,
it's supposed to be a hell
of a tournament.
So,
we're talking like not just
like their local you know
karate tournament down in
the valley we're talking
like the world here and
it's like the kumite for
teenagers they're like turn
it into blood sport or
something right now exactly
hey I mean once you start
talking about people dying
I mean I want to see
someone do the dim mock yeah
I mean, hey,
the boys that they're bringing
over from Cobra Kai are the real deal.
When they visited Japan in what,
was it part two?
Yeah.
He did a version of it with ice.
Well, he didn't select and say, no,
this brick.
But he could have just as well.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I think that I think all of
that is going to show that Miyagi,
you know,
that there was I think they were
just ultimately trying to say, you know,
hey, there's more to this guy.
He's not, you know, oh,
he isn't what you think, you know,
or you thought because
Miyagi didn't tell them everything.
no you know even even when
you look at his war record
and what happened to
miyagi's wife and all that
stuff yeah he didn't have
deep conversations with him
about it he found those
things and he helped him
but miyagi didn't go into
detail about it no he never
really went into it so but
I wonder how much of this backstory with
Mr. Miyagi right now we're
getting in this season is
going to play into the Ralph Macchio.
Karate Kid movie that is planned, I think,
for 2025.
So I'm wondering if they're
building something that can
they can play back into the
movie when it comes out
with because it's Ralph
Macchio and I think Jackie
Chan and there's like
another karate movie.
There's a new kid, I think.
Oh, they're going to bring Jason back.
They're going to bring Jaden back.
No, God, I hope not.
You're the best.
Really?
Yeah.
To be honest,
I wasn't even aware that they
were making a movie or going full time.
That would be a change for me.
They should bring back Hilary Swank.
Let's go with Hilary Swank.
oh the next karate kid man I
have been waiting this
whole time for her to make
a cameo I mean I have been
waiting this whole time
that would actually be
interesting if I don't hey
I don't know that we'll see
her but we'll see we still
got two more parts so who knows yeah
I mean,
they did bring back the love
interest from the first
movie last season.
Well,
that was to help Miguel with his
broken back.
Yeah,
I guess I could see Elizabeth Shue
coming back a lot more than
I could see Hilary Swank coming back.
Especially,
I don't know how well she received.
She wasn't her part of the credit kit.
Franchise so maybe she would
take a step back But this
is a way to kind of redeem
yourself She was received
about as well as Jaden was
Yeah And Jackie Chan
Replacing Mr. Miyagi I mean
if it's if somebody's gonna
Replace him then Jackie Chan
I would go Jackie Chan over anybody else.
I think they're brothers or
cousins or something.
To be honest, I didn't see that one.
I have not seen that.
I was waiting for the rush
hour joke in there.
Oh, they're brothers.
That's exactly where I was
going with that.
I was waiting for you to finish it.
I was like, wait,
are we just going to stop it right there?
Oh, yeah.
You're going to continue that one.
I got my lunch money from the third grade.
But that's,
I think it's all going to flow together.
And, you know,
maybe they'll do one more
Karate Kid movie stemming from this.
And then after that,
they might do another
depending on the reception of that one.
Yeah.
You know, but...
Yeah, untitled Karate Kid movie.
I had to IMDb it right now.
Ben, I just don't make up stuff, man.
No, I believed you.
I was just like, it's so random.
It really is.
So I could honestly see it
being Daniel LaRusso and his son.
I can't stand his son.
I can't either.
I think he's a whiny little bitch,
but at the same time,
I could see them doing that.
I like Jaden's Karate Kid
better than his son, Daniel's son.
If I had to choose between the two of them,
I'd rather Jaden comes back
than Daniel's son do anything.
Jaden's like 35 or something.
He's not 35.
He's in his early 20s.
Yeah, but still.
They're still searching for
who the next Karate Kid is.
There's actually a contest
to find the next Karate Kid.
It does have Joshua Jackson in it, though,
so we get Pacey Weathers
coming to join this cast.
Mr. Mighty Duck himself, too.
Nice.
If you're going to throw 90s
nostalgia in there,
if you're going to do any shit...
So, also,
before we jump into Episode 4 and 5 here,
we go back to Korea,
and Kreese has found his
new Johnny with Quan, and kind of, like,
turns him into his pet project.
Like, his new equalizer,
if you want to go that way.
So...
Kwan's a badass.
Kwan was a legit... He had zero fuss.
If there's a guy living the zero fuss life,
it was that guy.
You just look at him and
then see him do one or two
fights and understand that
if it really comes down to it,
nobody's beating him in a tournament.
It's going to be really
interesting to see how...
if they overcome him somehow
in the tournament,
he's going to be very
sketchy about everything he does.
Like for sure.
He'll have to get himself
disqualified or something.
Here's the line right here.
He's going to go through that line.
He kind of just tickle it a little bit.
It's, it's, it's crazy.
Yeah.
As soon as you showed up on screen,
you were like, okay, yeah, that's the new,
uh,
that's the new arc villain that you've
got to go with.
That's just going to go up against, uh,
you know, in the championship,
that's going to be them.
So, Oh yeah.
We'll have the,
We'll have to talk at the
end about who we think is
going to win the tournament.
Oh yeah.
We'll bring you back to like for part two,
when part two drops and we watch part two,
we'll bring you back for
that one as well.
Yeah.
I don't know what happened to Rob,
but he'll be back.
It drops out from time to time.
Stream yards, a finicky creature,
but let's jump into the
underdogs episode four,
where Daniel and Johnny are,
invite uh barns to come back
and be a guest instructor
to help them do an unbiased
selection to determine the
sits yeah it was I it was
cool because I do like what
they did just with part you
know one honestly when I
was watching it I didn't
even realize it was being
broken up into three
different parts at the time
until after the fact but I
loved how much they decided to bring back
of every character that
played any role throughout
the first like five seasons
and kind of give them their
little tidbit um you know
let them come in and make
an appearance and in a way
that makes sense it wasn't
just like forced or or
whatever so yeah if you're
if you're looking for
somebody I mean he was just
with you in the huge fight
at the end of the last
season so you know might as
well bring him back and let
him just kind of try to
I've always liked his character too.
Yeah,
he was a dick when he was like – I
think it was part three.
Yeah, or was it part – yeah, part – no,
two or three.
Okay, whichever one was not.
So part three.
It was three then.
Yeah.
But he was a dick, but he played –
you see this guy walking at
the mall or something.
You're like, God damn, that dude's a dick,
man.
Look at that guy.
That guy just looks like a dick.
You don't want to buy
furniture off of him.
He seemed to be doing pretty well.
He did seem like he was
doing pretty well for himself,
making handmade furniture.
He's happy now.
It's back to his roots.
Exactly.
Working with his hands, man.
Yeah.
And, um, but I, I think this,
he was a good, a good pick to come in and,
um,
pick the fits it was a good
sequence for sure I liked
it and uh I kind of like
the different trials that
you had to put them through
it made you know for
entertaining tv to kind of
watch them do the different
competitions um it did and
it was he even told him
like that that was not
necessarily those contests
but there would be
different stages to the seki take
Yeah.
All right, there he is.
He's back.
Yeah, it's all good.
I was telling him, like,
StreamYard's a finicky beast,
and it does weird things sometimes.
Unless you're hotel living
and your hotel Wi-Fi is sucking.
It is.
I am.
And I thought the door
behind you looked like a base hotel door.
You don't always have, like,
a fire escape route on your door?
Right there.
That's good.
You have any thoughts on Barnes?
We jumped over to episode
four and how Daniel and
Johnny invite Barnes back
to help them pick the sits
in an unbiased way.
I think the way that Barnes
did that was pretty much
emblematic of the bad boy of karate.
And then, you know,
he's been itching to get
back to some level of
control and badass them.
And that was just it.
That was perfect for him.
Yeah.
if we were just saying like the,
the guy who plays Barnes, man,
like if you see him at a
mall or something,
you're immediately like, God,
that dude looks like a dick, man.
Just like everything out of
just says the dude's a dick,
but he makes really great furniture.
Yeah.
So if I get, I'm, I'm controlled.
The fight that we did get
with Johnny and him while
he was at the wood shop
almost sawed their faces
off and then just kind of said,
it's cool.
It was the weirdest stop to
a fight I've ever seen.
It was either that or you
were going to be wearing a saw blade.
I kept waiting for somebody
to lose a hand and some shit.
Yeah, that was rough.
Which would be like the most
Johnny Lawrence thing to do.
Yeah.
yeah I got a hook he
probably felt like an eagle
hand or something I don't
know but that was that
fight scene was it was it
was hilarious and it it
amped up so much anxiety
over that saw blade and
then of course nothing
happened and they're both
kind of beat up about it
but yeah I can see them
bringing them back
Just for, you know,
just to do that because
none of the other ones, you know,
Daniel was right, you know.
Yep.
So Johnny was going to
choose more Eagle Fang
people and Joseph was going
to go this way.
He was going to go that way.
So, yeah.
There's no way to be unbiased.
Yeah.
And he was actually, you know,
towards the end of it,
when he finally picked,
you could see he was
actually a lot unbiased.
Then he was seeing more
things than what we were seeing on the.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah, it was great, man.
I don't know who
choreographed that fight
specifically between Johnny and Barnes,
but it was shot so perfect.
And then with the sawdust and everything.
I'm surprised nobody went
all Hank Hill with the pocket dust.
They were trying to figure
out who was the legitimate bad boy.
I still want to know who won
the fight between Johnny and Chosen.
True.
They should have had them
come in the next episode in bandages.
Hell yeah.
I'm assuming they kept it civil.
I'm sure.
And I think after Johnny's
seen Chosen break that board,
he wasn't really... No, actually,
I'll take that back.
Johnny did want the smoke.
Who am I kidding?
Oh, yeah.
Johnny always wanted the smoke.
So we get the first round of voting,
and we get two down to the final,
like the 12.
We get Hawk, Robbie, Miguel, Sam, Tori,
Mitch, Kenny, Nate, Chris, Dimitri...
Devin and Anthony are chosen
for the second round after
the... I guess we can call
it capture the flag.
Yeah.
Like full contact.
Do it again in the woods.
Full contact capture the flag.
Yeah.
With karate.
So we get that.
Dude, personally, like seeing that...
Because this is the one where Tony,
Anthony, got busted in the mouth by,
I think, Kenny.
I think Kenny's the one that
busted him in the mouth.
Or his nose, yeah.
I was like, oh,
that whiny little bitch deserved it.
You were Barnes at that moment.
Barnes was like, good job, Kenny.
Good job, Kenny.
The killer instinct.
That's what it's going to take, man,
if you want to compete at this place.
Actually, no,
because I think it was the top 12.
That's when we did the
Capture the Flag tournament.
Yeah,
because then it was like a four-way
tie between Torrey, Robbie, Sam,
and Miguel because those
were the first four that advanced.
Yep.
And then the next day, Hawk, Dimitri,
Devin,
and Kenny compete for the last two
positions.
And it gets very interesting in that –
full contact,
race through the woods to
capture the flag.
Yeah.
The one Kenny had to retreat from.
Kenny did retreat.
Kenny didn't make it.
Yeah.
He made it about, I guess,
about 50 yards into the
woods before he got the
rumbles in the jungle.
Super cool and blow.
and had to turn around,
and he still didn't make it in time.
Stupid kid that was still
taking his time in the... I know!
Yeah.
Like, what are you doing in there?
It's like 90 fucking degrees.
Get in and get out.
Not even in the competition, man.
Exactly.
Your character doesn't even have a name.
Now you're toilet boy.
Oh, but anyways,
Devin gets the first flag.
Kenny earns his brown belt.
Dimitri superkits the shit
out of Hawk after he tells
him he doesn't want to go to MIT.
And then Kenny accuses Anthony,
little LaRusso, of spiking his water.
Yeah.
But then we learned that Devin,
the quite demure,
I've been seeing that word
go around a lot, demure Asian girl.
Well, Devin has been – you remember,
Devin was full-on Cobra Kai as well.
In Eagle Fang.
So she was – this isn't so
much out of character for her, just,
you know, she's like,
I can't compete without, you know,
having that edge.
And so she – She did what she had to.
Yeah.
And, you know, Obama kept saying –
Correct.
And the bad part about all
this is Johnny knew.
He sees at the end that
she's the one that spiked the water.
Did he?
Yeah.
I don't think I noticed that.
She kind of tried to hide it
and threw it away.
Yeah, I got to see that.
I got to see that again.
He kind of knew that she did something.
Remember, he's rooting for Devin.
He's Devin's number one fan.
Yeah, I mean,
she felt like she had to do
it or she wasn't going to
get like we're talking
about the fair shake to even, you know,
get seen to get in it.
Yeah.
So she was trying to do
whatever she could to
secure her spot and represent.
But, yeah,
definitely a really shitty way
to go about it,
pun intended in that regard.
But, yeah,
I don't know if Johnny saw it or not.
We'll have to go back and rewatch that.
I would like to think that
his character developed
enough to where he would be like, okay,
we have to tell the truth.
We've got to come clean on this.
Yeah.
We've got to say something about this.
Johnny will be Johnny until the very end.
You think he'd high-five her for that?
Yeah.
Without a doubt.
So let's roll in.
Let's do episode five.
Because I mean really.
That's all they gave us.
Is five episodes.
But I know the director said.
Going into this.
Their plan was to do.
A 15 episode season.
Split into three parts.
And that's what they gave us.
And that's cool.
I'm not mad.
I'm actually quite.
happy with the way they're
doing it because it does
give me something to look
forward to in the fall-winter time frame,
even though there's a lot
of great shit coming out on TV here soon.
So much good stuff.
Oh, dude.
My question would be,
obviously part two is going
to be probably the tournament,
I would imagine, maybe the whole time.
They could literally take
all five episodes and just
do rounds of the tournament,
and I hope that's what they
do because I just want nonstop action.
It's just interesting that
they have another five
episodes on the other side of that.
Do you need five episodes to
wrap things up?
I think we're going to get the blowout.
We'll get a blowout and then
I think we'll get the lead
into what is about to come
from the movie.
That's just me speculating.
I'm a speculator and a shit talker,
but that's neither here nor there.
So we get Miyagi-Do now with
the hard choice of how do
we pick our captains out of
these six fine juvenile
delinquents that we have on our hands.
And their best thing is, fuck it,
let them fight.
Let them throw hands.
We take the top four and we
let them throw hands.
And that's what we get.
Miguel versus Robbie and Tori versus Sam,
which is kind of like right
back to where we started.
But then Tori was going
through all this shit with her mom.
Nobody knew.
Sam's mom did pass away,
for those who didn't know.
I like to think people had
plenty of time to watch this.
So if you're hearing it for the first time,
my bad.
Tori's mom died.
Tragically, I add.
yes yeah yeah that her what
happened to her mom and how
she had to deal with it
there that's no laughing
matter that was that was
traumatic and I and I feel
bad for her in that
instance yeah I mean it's
interesting like the kind
of the contrast of you know as soon as
larusso finds out about it
he's trying to stop the
fight because he's like
she's not emotionally
exactly and johnny's on the
opposite and he's like no
no you gotta let her work
through this yeah let her
work doing for so yeah they
kind of come I mean you
know neither one of them
were wrong in this
situation it's like but at
the same time you have to
look at what's best for
tori and what was really
best for tori is knocking
it the fuck off just like
At least that's what they decided was like,
no, this has to stop.
She needs to talk to people
and she needs to get the
help that she needs.
I think Johnny was right in this instance.
I think letting her out there because she,
you know, was she going?
Yeah,
but she was working through that shit
during the fight.
That's what she needed.
She needed to get out to get some action.
She didn't need to be babied, toddled.
And when they didn't let her,
that to her and Devin,
proved they were going to do, you know,
in their eyes,
they were going to do
whatever they need to do to
let Sam win it.
Yeah.
And prompted her decision to leave.
And you could almost say too,
LaRusso might've even been
a little bit concerned that
she was not the right
headspace and might hurt his daughter.
I guess.
Yeah, she did.
Yeah.
She would, she would have definitely.
I get why he would want to stop it too.
Yeah.
Cause I mean, at this point they're like,
she had put Sam in the
hospital twice now or some
shit like that.
Yeah.
I mean, they were like showing flashes.
Like she's like kind of not
seeing what's right in front of her.
She's like fighting, you know,
obviously everything that's wrong.
She's fighting for her life, dude.
She, she really was.
You don't want to be the
opponent in that situation.
And this is after Robbie had
just like beat Miguel for the first time.
I add.
It's good for Robbie.
He needed to win.
Robbie needed a dub, and he got his dub.
You know what I'm saying?
Little Johnny Lawrence got a dub.
Yeah,
it's just going to be interesting to
see now that we know who's
going to the tournament,
how they're going to have it all play out,
and who's going to be coming out on top.
Who replaced Tory?
I can't remember.
Hawk.
Hawk, that's right.
Which they needed to somehow
because he was obviously
one of their better fighters,
and they were already kind of like,
We don't even have our best
fighters going to this
thing because Hawk got eliminated.
So how do we get him back in this?
Yeah.
And the guy that actually
beat Hawk had no business being there.
Right.
You know what?
Me and my son, Gerard G2,
we actually had a discussion about that.
Really?
Yes.
Enlighten us.
He was like,
I think he called Dimitri
everything but a child of God.
He was like that, you know,
that emotional little punk.
He's, you know, he's let his feelings, oh,
my friend didn't want to go there.
And he goes,
I don't see why he didn't just
grow the fuck up and, you know,
be happy for the Hulk.
I'd say, first of all,
the way the Hulk handled
that was pretty bad.
That's been their dream since they were,
you know,
Kid kids, you know, running around,
going to MIT,
and Hawk should have let
them know way before then
and how it came up.
I said, so it's more of a,
I thought we were friends, you know,
type deal.
And I already set my stuff
off thinking my road dog was coming.
And this is how I had to find out.
And he goes,
but he should have never beat Hawk.
I said, Hawk let his guard down.
And Dimitri fucking flashed in.
Yeah,
he took the cheap shot and Hawk was
sitting there going,
I said half of that was
Hawk being surprised he got kicked.
I said the other half of
that was Hawk going, shit,
did I really fuck up?
And that gave Dimitri the
chance to run away with the
flag and come down with it.
He asked Hawk when it was
that he knew he fucked up
when he was staring back up at Dimitri.
Yeah.
None of these kids handle
their issues or do the mature thing.
They're kids.
So I give them a little bit
of grace and all this stuff.
This shit's a prequel to Prozac Nation.
But to say that, you know,
for my son and other people
to say that Dimitri didn't
deserve to be there.
Dimitri has caused,
not just from that one.
If you look at the evolution
of both Hawk and Dimitri,
they are two sides of the same coin.
Dimitri, all offense.
I mean, Hawk, all offense.
Dimitri, more defense.
But Dimitri has won some great fights.
He really has.
That fight at the college
showed where he was
fighting against two
different opponents at once
and working them.
I wouldn't say that he
didn't deserve to be there.
I think Hawk is the better fighter.
Dimitri is a smarter of the
two when it comes to it.
He's not going to let
himself get into a situation where
he could come out on a losing end.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, also his girl did, did say, you know,
I don't like this guy.
I don't like a guy who's like, well,
she said, I want the guy who was like,
and so he was like, yep,
that's going to be me.
And that was him.
Yeah.
That was all the motivation
that he needed for sure.
It's probably ultimately
going to get him kicked in the face.
I think it will.
Yeah.
I think we're going to
see... Y'all remember the old movie,
The Best of the Best?
Yes.
I think that that's exactly
what we're going to see,
and we're going to see what
Dimitri's sitting there going,
what are you counting them for?
Of course I lost, and this guy won.
The Best of the Best was one
of those where...
When they came out with part two,
and then part two was
surprisingly better than part one.
No, it wasn't.
I thought it was.
Oh, no, don't you do that.
I'm going to have to rewatch it,
but I could have swore that
was one of those where the
second one was better.
Oh, no, don't you do that.
Scout Sonner,
I'll go back and rewatch them
just to be sure on that one.
Oh, my God.
But, hey, neither here nor there for now.
But I will go back and rewatch.
You're right.
Also, when Tori leaves,
Johnny and Daniel agree to
never speak with each other
again after the tournament.
After the tournament, yep.
So, I mean,
definitely two different
thinkings on that.
And them finally going, you know what?
It's time for us to fucking, like,
We done after this.
I really can't see these two
completely being done with each other.
Ever.
They probably already said
that like how many times during the show.
Oh, at least once a season.
Once a season at least.
I think Daniel's wife is
going to clip that in the bud.
She's going to be like, look.
Everything that he's doing for us,
he's selling cards, he's doing this.
It's clearly good for him.
I'm not sure that that's the
selling point for him.
I'm sure she doesn't want
him working there.
All their kids are friends
at this point too.
She is definitely the most
reasonable of everyone.
She really is.
I think she's been the
ground for both of them.
And Miguel's mom,
I can't remember her name,
but she like those two ladies,
God bless them, man.
They're fucking saints in my eyes.
Cause those two living
outside of the crazy karate,
like everybody's fighting on the streets.
I was, yeah.
I think I wanted to make the
joke in the review and I forgot,
but it's like, uh,
I feel like all of this show
is like a setup to be like
the warriors because it's
just all these like little
feuding karate games.
They're like fighters.
Yes.
I like it.
At some point,
like the cops are just gonna be like,
what the hell, man?
And just start trying to
arrest everybody that does
any form of karate.
I'm like,
we got two karate instructors
trying to turn these
juvenile delinquents into something, man.
Yeah.
But, um,
So, you know,
we get past that and Sam and
Robbie receive their captain headbands.
And then that's when LaRusso
kind of puts the two and
two together and realize
that Mr. Miyagi was also a
captain and fought in the
Seketeke or Saki Taki.
Saki Taki, I think.
We'll think Taki works.
Dude,
I'm never going to say that word right.
I've tried.
But it's also, you know,
Finding Mr. Miyagi's bloody
is kind of what led him down this long,
weird path of questioning
his beliefs again.
Well,
it also lets him know how real this
thing is.
Yes.
You know, his headband,
his captain's band is bloody.
You know, it brings home Barnes's point of,
like,
people have died in this tournament.
Yep.
I like how excited he was, like,
trying to get, like,
his son and daughter to be
in this tournament, too.
Like,
you really want your little son to be
– he's not going to last in this thing.
Like, what are you trying to do?
Yeah, this dude's done.
He would have been done.
Round one, done.
I feel like it was only his
daughter that got in, but, yeah, I mean,
he's probably thinking, like,
what am I doing?
Sam can hold her own.
I mean,
she's proved that time and time
again because she's taken
some ass whooping some worm.
I think Sam's going to lose
it against the Koreans.
Dude,
Tori is going to tear her a new asshole.
And we haven't seen all the
different teams.
I'm hoping we're going to
get another team that's going to be like,
holy shit,
where did these kids come from?
I know they were teasing that,
that it's not going to be either.
It could be neither one of
these teams that win.
Not Cobra Kai.
Not Miyagi-Do.
It could be a completely
separate team that comes in
and just whoops all their asses.
The directors have been... Oh yeah, dude.
My money's all on Kwon.
That kid's a beast.
Kwon is a beast.
Zero conscience and zero thoughts.
I don't know what his parents did to him,
but god damn.
That kid was ruthless.
He whooped two dudes' asses
and didn't even hesitate.
At the same time.
Then they tried to instigate him and
of course that's what crease
does man he smokes his
cigar and instigate shit
between teenagers yeah oh
you know what I i am
forgetting one other little
uh easter egg that they
they slipped in during this
first part which one when
someone was talking and
they they brought up um
To Johnny.
They brought up Johnny's old teammate.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
When they were trying to do
the real estate thing, and he was like,
I saw your friend or whatever.
I was like, yeah, he's in jail.
He's in jail, yeah.
Yeah, he's in prison.
He's in jail.
He ain't coming back.
I was like, yeah, Dutch.
Dutch was so bad.
Yeah.
that was an awesome,
like little 10 minute spill.
I forgot what episode it was with, uh,
Chosen and Johnny,
like shopping for houses, man.
Like of all, like all this seriousness,
we had that 10 minutes of
just Johnny and Chosen,
like a gay couple shopping for a house.
And then they're probably, there's like,
I mean, uh, I mean,
anybody can afford this
house with a good credit score.
Like you have a good credit score.
It's like,
Can't imagine that it is
money to put down.
Like, no, I don't have an income really.
Then yeah, that's what sparked it.
But just imagine that killer
van right there.
It was like, so you're living alone.
It was like, no, I got like 10 people.
That was the funny part.
That was real funny.
Cause those are sitting over
there trying to do what's right.
And Johnny's just like, no digging a hole.
So I'm going to stop you right there.
I'm going to take it.
I was like, no, that's not how this works.
But when he mentioned Dutch,
when he mentioned Dutch, I was like,
all right.
And the fact that, you know, Dutch is,
you know, he left,
the guy who plays Dutch is
Steve McQueen's son.
And he left the acting world
to become a race car driver
and has said multiple times,
I'll never go back.
Yep.
I forget what season it was
where they brought back all
of Johnny's friends.
Yeah.
That was a really good one.
Was that three?
Maybe it was.
I think that was season three.
Yeah,
because there's a lot of people that
showed up in season three.
Literally almost everybody
that ever had a line in the
movies at some point.
Even in season three,
toward the end of season
three is when I think
Silver made his return back as well.
It might have been.
Yeah, in the season three.
Yeah.
They did the dun-dun-dun-dun.
Yep.
You get that crazy entry
that Silver always gets.
Like, the dude can make an entrance.
I'm not going to take that away from him.
Oh, yeah.
But speaking of making an entrance,
the kids arrive in Barcelona, Spain,
and they're all lining up
around the tournament mat.
And lo and behold,
the South Korean Cobra Kai team shows up,
led by none other than Quan and Tori.
Dun, dun, dun.
Like, the fucking drama between these kids,
man.
I swear.
Get your feelings hurt and
you run back to the bad guys once again.
He'll be back.
Yeah.
Yeah,
it's weird that that's what they set up.
I would have thought that
she would have worked
things out rather than run back to Kreese,
who's obviously left her
high and dry before and is
not going to have like her.
You have to keep in mind
that Kreese at one point
was paying for her mom's medical bills.
So, I mean…
I mean,
they showed like a softer side of Kreese,
you know, throughout the seasons.
And like, he has, you know, a heart and,
you know, all this backstory.
You know,
Tori is kind of like his new Johnny.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But then is he going to have
to fight another snake to
figure out that she used his weakness?
I don't know.
In a country that has no venomous snakes.
Yeah.
Go to like Rhode Island or whatever it is.
A state in the United States
without snakes.
We'll see.
We'll see where they take it.
But yeah, the tournament, I,
I do hope that the whole
part two is like just taking place there.
I just want it to be like a
giant blood sport.
Like that,
that is all I'm hoping for at
this point is that the five
episodes in part two is
like the tournament and
then they'll maybe licking
their wounds on a plane on
the way back to California.
Yeah.
I mean,
they'll have like time in between
like rounds or whatever, like, you know,
the day ends or something
and then they go back to their,
village or whatever they're
kind of staying at there uh
and you know kind of talk
things out and you know
speak about what's going on
and I'm sure there'll be
time for more teenage drama
and whatnot in between but
oh there's gonna be a lot
tournament's gonna take a
while so I know the
directors and producers and
everybody are they're
really kind of hyping this
thing up and how they're
doing it and everything so
I'm not mad I I've actually enjoyed it
I thought it was something different.
And now I'm seeing other
shows from Netflix are
jumping on this same kind
of bandwagon of like,
we're going to give you 15 episodes,
but we're going to split it.
You know what I'm saying?
That's kind of, I think,
I think it's the best way
to do it because a lot of times, you know,
for example, the boys, I, uh,
they kind of drag it.
So they give you like a
couple episodes at a time
without releasing everything.
Right.
They don't give you everything up front.
So you have to give me a,
like two episodes up front.
You got to come back.
so sometimes if I'm in like
a binge mood I'll get
through like all of the
show like you could have
binged all of cobra kai
like in a day you know or
something uh if you're
having to tune back in like
weekly other stuff gets in
the way you get distracted
by like another show in
between and so sometimes
you don't have the same
attention span or like
focus and you forget what's
going on that happens to me
all the time with some
shows uh so it is nice to
kind of get it all in like
five bingeable ups and then
I'm struggling through it
right now like I want to
start house of the dragon but in my head
I can't do that until I
finish Game of Thrones.
However,
season six through eight are so horrible,
it's hard for me to press through.
So what I've been having to
do is watch an episode or
two episodes at a time, and then I'm like,
all right,
I can't do no more of this
horrible season.
Let me go watch The Arrow.
So I've been watching The Arrow in between,
which, of course,
there's parts of The Arrow
where you're just like,
ah get the story going we
know where it's going I've
read the comic book you're
killing me smalls well I
mean there's some shows
where you have uh years in
between seasons like
literally two three years
before they come back in
the next one are they
cancel it and then bring it
back yeah yeah for sure but
yeah so I mean at least it
builds like excitement for
like part two to come and
then you'll have you know
you'll wait like through the
christmas and everything
you're gonna come back into
it I guess the next year in
2025 well I think we get
the second part like just
before the holiday break I
think it's november or
something yeah november and
then 2025 we have the next
part so yep it's really
like early 2025 like
january or february I think
yeah I think that's right
Hey,
you brought news to me today because I
didn't know that they were
spinning this into a movie.
Yeah, so I forgot it at what part.
It was just before they
released around the same
time they released the
first part of this.
They were like rumors starting to pop up.
And then finally, fuck,
I want to say his name,
but I don't want to say his wrong name.
Ralph Macchio.
Was like, oh, by the way,
me and the directors are
working on a movie script.
And I'm like, cool.
Another, you know, Karate Kid movie.
I'm like,
but if you're going to do that this time,
I need you to at least say
Stay Golden Ponyboy in this movie.
Just bring up any line that
he has from any movie he's been in.
No, just that one.
Just that one.
I mean, it is funny that that's happening,
though, because if you remember, like,
the beginning of the season,
he already is telling his wife, like, hey,
once this tournament's done, like,
that's it for, like, full-time karate.
He wants to just, like, say, okay, Johnny,
here, issuers,
you teach the Miyagi-Do Eagle Feng Wei.
Well,
that's going to be tough now that
they're not talking.
Yeah,
I got a feeling something's going to
happen, and it's just,
they're not going to get off that easily.
No, not at all.
The ladies are going to come
back and be like, look, boys.
Yeah, I got to figure this shit out.
But Ben,
I don't want to keep you any
longer than I need to.
I'm waiting on Rob.
So I'm kind of buying for
time for Rob to get back.
So we can jump into the next
part of our juvenile
delinquent series and what
happens when...
juvenile delinquents grow up
to be superheroes and man children.
But while we're waiting for him,
why don't you tell
everybody where they can
find you and what exactly
it is you do over at the, uh, pop rate.
Yeah.
So, um, you can find me on social media,
just, uh, Instagram and, um,
exits at BD Merkison.
Uh, so BD Merkison.
Um, and you can also follow my, my dog,
which is Star Wars theme name.
It's a TK four, two wolf.
So, uh,
you should follow his account on
Instagram.
I'm going to follow him much
more adorable than I am.
Um, and yeah, so pop break, uh,
it's been great.
Like that whole family bill brought me in,
you know, several years ago and I've been,
um,
doing as much writing for them as I can,
uh,
trying to pop out some reviews like I
did for Cobra guy,
which is really found me for this one.
Uh,
and then they had me on socially
distanced, uh, occasionally as well too.
So I love coming on there
and doing some pods, but, uh,
Yeah,
you can find me there trying to write.
I'm actually going to start reviewing.
Oh, look, we're getting gives back.
But Bad Monkey is on Apple
right now with Vince Vaughn.
So I'm too obsessed with that.
That's going to be my next review.
I've heard great things about it so far.
Yeah, it's entertaining.
I'm into it.
I'm going to have to check that one out.
I'll have to finish the
voice so I can participate
in your future discussions.
Yeah,
we'll bring you back when we do
season five.
There you go.
We're definitely going to
bring you back when we
discuss part two of Cobra
Kai because we loved having you, Ben.
We appreciate you coming on.
I apologize for my internet.
My internet's going in and out.
Hey, you're good, man.
We're about to talk to
himself if you drop after I'm gone.
So we can stick around.
Yeah, I was like, I was like,
I'm not going to lie to you, Ben.
I'm kind of just like
carrying on until I can get
Gibbs back in so we can
roll into the second half of this.
So now that Gibbs is back
and I can jump into our
second half of our
discussion of juvenile delinquents.
Ben, appreciate you coming on, man.
Like I said,
we'll have you back on for
part two and look forward
to see what else you do
with the pot brick, man.
Sounds good.
Thank you guys.
Enjoyed it.
Appreciate you, Ben.
Have a good one.
Take it easy.
All right, everybody.
That was Ben that I borrowed
from the pot break tonight
to talk about Cobra Kai and
juvenile delinquents.
All right, Gibbs.
Now let's get fucking as
violent as we humanly can.
And that's what season four
of the boys brought.
they brought a lot of
violence the most over the
top violent season to date
and god damn was it great
oh my god at a certain
point I'm like oh jesus can
it get worse yes it can and
it did what the fuck
All right, so I'm a comic book guy.
I know you're a comic book guy as well.
So let's start it with this.
So The Boys is based off a
comic book written by none
other than Garth Ennis.
And if the name sounds familiar,
it should because he did Preacher.
Yep.
Hellblazer.
He had to run a Hellblazer, a.k.a.
John Constantine.
That's why you can't just go
into a comic book store and go, hey,
I'm looking for John Constantine.
You're not going to find it that way.
You got to find it for Hellblazer.
Yeah.
Punisher.
His Punisher run.
Fucking amazing.
But those are my three favorites from him.
And then we also had... He
created it with Derek Robertson.
And it was developed for TV by Eric Kripke,
which...
hopefully everybody knows
who Eric Kripke is at this point.
The dude literally did
supernatural Gen V and the Winchesters.
Yeah.
So we're talking like Garth
Dennis to me is like, Oh my,
my legends board.
His face is right there.
I got you.
But
Now that that's out of the way,
we explained what it is,
I'm going to ask you a question.
Go right ahead.
Do you think the creative
liberties taken by Eric
Kripke with some of the
characters from the comic
book affected the overall...
series, i.e.
gender swapping certain
characters and that kind of stuff?
Yes.
Let's be 100% real here.
A lot of the stuff and the
liberties and the changes that they made,
they were done because I'm
not sure whether or not
people would have like casuals.
Okay.
Like, you know,
those who read the comics
and love the comics,
it was like into the comic.
First off,
I'm going to say this as respectfully,
disrespectfully as I can.
Y'all some sick bastards.
Cause that comic book was,
It is, bro.
It is.
But I don't think that the
casuals would have gotten
into a lot of different
things that was in the original.
Yeah.
You know, in the comics, because...
you know, with Starlight first joining,
you know, they all did, did or dirty,
not just the deep, but they needed to,
you know,
to keep some of them a little
bit above the board, you know,
but so they've made some
changes and I think that
it's affected it so that it
was more palpable, palpable, palatable.
Yeah.
Palatable, yes.
Yeah.
Close enough.
We're in the ballpark.
For mass consumption.
Yes.
Because in the comics,
how they did Starlight,
there was no redeeming
factors for any of them.
None.
Any of them.
Not even Queen,
because Queen Maeve was
right there when it happened.
She did nothing to stop it.
So you have those things that was like,
what the fuck?
And you have to go, what the fuck?
Even still, we're getting that.
Most definitely, it's changed some stuff.
It's made it easier to watch,
which is saying a lot
because I know a lot of
people who watched the
first season was like, nah,
I can't do it.
I always tell people,
if you think what you see
in the TV show is bad,
don't go read the comic.
The TV shows at a level 8.
The comic book, they got it cranked.
Compared to the comic book,
the TV series is a level 5.
five, maybe six.
I'm being generous with my
eight on that one because
the TV series is still on a
whole nother level that
you're not used to.
It is.
And we,
we've seen some stuff on there that,
you know, especially with this season,
a lot of the stuff that's
going on has left the comic book realm,
you know, but, um, it definitely,
this was a good season.
Um,
It's bringing together a lot
of... They're starting to
close off storylines.
Yes.
We know it's coming.
We know season five's it.
We're done.
I'm hoping they end it the
same way the comic book
does because I think that's
the best ending possible.
I don't know if we'll get that,
but let's go with this.
We have
Of the characters in the show,
just the show,
what has been your favorite so far?
Jesus, you're trying to put me in.
For this season or the show?
No,
we're only going to focus on season four.
What's her name?
Sister... Oh, shit.
Sister Sage.
Sister Sage, yes.
Susan Hayward, who plays Sister Sage.
Yep.
She would have to be my
hands-down favorite for this season.
Okay.
For this season, for me,
I'm going to go Laz
Alonzo's Mother's Milk.
And it's an odd choice,
but I kind of feel like
this season gave him his
flowers the way they should
have been all along.
No.
Because if they given one,
two things preclude me from
having Mother's Milk be the
top dude for this season.
One is...
He's, by this time in the comic book,
he's fought and beat the
shit out of Billy Butcher.
Multiple times.
And there's a reason why that is, because,
you know, in this, we don't really,
you know,
people don't really understand
why he's called Mother's Milk.
No, it's flipped in the TV series,
because in the comic book,
it was his mother...
who was infected with compound V,
and when he was born, it caused him to,
he needed his mother's milk
to actually survive, even as an adult.
he he was sucking on them
alien tentacle porn teats
as as they were you know
not just to survive but
that's how he got his
superpowers that's why he
was able to hit hang with
soups and this he's a
regular guy and that he was
you know in the comics he you know he was
a soup himself,
but that's how Butcher
finally got up on him.
He went down into Mother
Milk's basement and there
was this bloated mom with
the teats going everywhere.
And he was like, shoot,
that's why it was called Mother's Milk.
The second part is, dude,
I don't care how cool you are.
I don't care how
how badass you were this
season or the last season,
how you stepped up finally
to be the team leader.
When you get knocked out by a dude's dick,
slapping you up against the head,
and this ain't the first
time it's happened.
It's a recurring theme with him.
In the TV show.
It's a recurring theme that
he gets smacked up by this
dude's dick almost every season.
Yeah,
that takes you out of the contention
and the running.
Okay, now I will buy into that.
But so funny story.
I actually have a note in
here about his name is Love Sausage,
by the way.
Love Sausage.
In the TV show,
he only makes special
appearances such as
herogasm and that kind of stuff.
But in the comic book,
he's actually an ally of the boys.
Yes.
And yeah, he can literally,
just like I think it was 2 Chainz said,
throw it over his shoulder.
Not just throw it over his shoulder.
He can dodge traffic from, you know,
the 12th floor of a apartment building.
All right.
That's enough of love sausage until later.
Stand by for more.
So mother's milk, um, really Kimiko and,
um,
frenchie gets his
comeuppance but he also
gets his ass whipping that
he's well deserved for
quite a while but those to
me are kind of like my my
three people who kind of
like their characters are
finally submitting into the
tv series even though they
had been submitted long
before in the comic book I
i would go sister sage uh simply because
And some people have a
heartache about her saying, well,
this is how I knew it was going to end.
And it had to end.
You're welcome.
And I was sitting up here going, yo,
this chick is so smart.
She predicted.
She knew how this shit was
going to fall to this
extent that he was going to
do what he absolutely did.
And she predicted.
And this is where she wanted him to be.
And then she said, he goes,
why are you doing this?
To see if I can.
Yeah.
To see if I could.
They literally,
they asked her why she
hadn't cured cancer.
And her answer, because they won't let me.
Yep.
Because it's all a political game.
She is everything that her
character is supposed to be.
And just...
like like um a train said oh
she was with me and uh
teenage she was she's an
yeah she's just blunt and
like she told uh homelander
your ego is not going to
allow you to take what I
say how I say it she said
because I'm not going to
beat around the bush and
he's like yeah yeah well he
saw them all coming from a mile away
And she played them all.
Yep, everybody.
So to me, to me, eh, it's off.
And then, Kimiko next.
Okay.
Because, I'm sorry, Kimiko is just,
you know.
Kimiko is Kimiko, man.
Yes, she is.
And then last but not least,
I would say Frenchie.
Dude,
Frenchie's character in this season...
surpass what I expected them
to actually do and when
they when you start seeing
a little bit more of the
comic book frenchie coming
into it I was like oh dude
it's about damn time
because frenchie is like a
deep ass dude in the comic
book yeah not the deep as
in chase crawford's the
deep but he's like he's a
fantastic character
Yeah.
He's got some depth to him.
He's definitely got some gravitas.
Them finally having their
moment and being together.
We'll get there.
I also want to touch on Anthony Starr.
I love the dude.
He plays Homelander.
Homelander was created with
the DNA of Soldier Boy.
Yep.
However, in the comics,
the soldier boy that is
portrayed is not what we
get in the TV series.
I am right in the comic book.
Homelander has his way in
more ways than one with soldier boy.
Yes.
Soldier boy that we see like, oh,
I was in Vietnam.
No soldier boy pissed himself in Vietnam.
Yep.
And yeah,
we'll leave it at that for that one.
And so one of the gender
swap characters that I was
telling you about earlier
and that we were discussing
with like how you felt like, you know,
with the creative liberties
was Victoria Newman.
In the comic book, it is Victor Newman.
And honestly,
I think they did a fantastic
job with her character in the TV series.
Because otherwise there
would have been some really
awkward moments in the TV
series if it was Victor
Newman instead of Victoria Newman.
Well,
they could have played it off like
they always do.
I think one of the main
reasons why they gender
swapped and split the name
from Victor to Victoria was
to separate this Victor
Newman from the Victor Newman.
Yeah.
Who's a bad man in his own right?
Not like Victor or Victoria, but yeah.
But it's one of the ones that they did.
And I was like, at first I was like,
I don't know.
But then I was like, you know what?
Eric Kripke did a fucking,
and the writers of the boys
did such a good job with Victoria Newman.
I was like, I ain't even mad.
Like she, what's her name?
Claudia Cravetti.
it's the actress who plays her.
She just stand up job.
Oh yeah.
So let,
let's hit on some of the bigger changes.
Cause I do want to fill into
people cause we've never
talked about the boys before.
And this is probably what
some of the stuff we're talking about.
We, if we had covered it earlier,
which means USDN would have
had to been around four years ago.
Or five years ago.
We just didn't do.
So, we're going to hit some stuff.
So,
one of the biggest changes from the
comic to the show was Black Noir.
In the comic, he is a Homelander clone.
Yes.
And it was actually Black
Noir who assaulted Billy Butcher's wife.
Yep.
And he's also the guy who
committed the most heinous, like,
of crimes in the comic book.
Like...
They could have did a whole
season of SVU on Black Noir.
It was Black Noir all along
instead of Agatha.
Exactly.
And also he served under
Soldier Boy in Vietnam.
Yep.
In the show,
we see him killed at the end
of season... No.
Was it end of season three
or earlier in season four?
Where Homelander just
reaches in and disembowels him.
I think it was end of season three.
Okay.
I couldn't remember.
I just remember it just
being absolutely a brutal death.
Right.
Yeah.
And then they hire another
sleep actor to replace him
in the TV show.
Right.
Who turns out to have actual powers.
Yeah.
And he doesn't know how to shut up.
Would you shut the fuck up?
Yeah.
So I have another question here.
Because I was... As I'm writing this,
I was like...
Just questions I wanted to ask,
get your thoughts on,
and maybe even like people
out there to kind of like to think about.
So did Eric Kripke's
creation of new superheroes
take away from original comic characters,
even if the created
characters paid homage back
to comic characters from the boys, i.e.
Ezekiel, Mesmer,
who was played by Haley Jo Osment,
by the way, and Translucent.
No, not at all.
I didn't.
Yeah, I'm with you.
I kind of, I kind of look as the boys as a,
a homage to itself,
to the actual comic book and what, um,
they did with the comic.
I don't really look at it as a,
a one for one.
You know what I'm saying?
Similar to what they're doing with, um, um,
over on the other show on Netflix.
Um,
Shit.
Can't think of it all of a sudden,
but anyways, beside the point... Yeah,
I'm brain farting.
But, um... The...
what eric was going for and
why it didn't matter is you
you have all the the lore
the basic lore of it and
sure you've got some
characters that are new
that are created for the
show that are based on
other characters but really
what what he's doing is it
doesn't make a difference
because most of us
were casuals of this yeah we
didn't get it you know
there are those who were
like oh man we were ripped
off because this guy would
have been better and he's
from the comics and why
didn't they put him in but
of course you didn't know
that until you were already
hooked and you loved the
episodes and honestly the
boys is like a cult
following anyway so like
mainstream like they they
they didn't like, Oh,
this is based on a comic book.
Well, and by the time the boys come out,
you couldn't get the comic book anyway.
Yep.
Yeah.
You're either reading the
compendiums or nothing,
unless you wanted to spend a pretty dime.
you you you had to have been
a fan of this type of comic
book in itself because the
boys wasn't mainstream
marvel or dc no that was
image comics man yeah so
and even those that were
image comic followers were
like you know the boys was
really really hardcore you
know even so image did the
walking dead as well
And even the Walking Dead
comic books are like, holy shit.
Yes.
I've always liked Image for
the grittiness.
That's why I will forever be
a fan of Image.
That and Spawn.
And I'm a big fan of Todd McFarlane,
even though he's kind of a
douche sometimes.
But I was thinking about The
Sandman earlier.
Because when you watch The
Sandman on Netflix,
you can pull out Compendium
1 of The Sandman.
And follow along with the
actual comic book.
Yes.
Which I have all the respect
in the world for.
But this one,
I feel like they could take
those creative liberties with it.
Oh yeah, most definitely.
It doesn't take it away from me.
Unless they fuck up the
ending and then I could be pissed.
Okay.
Let's go ahead and I'm going
to be the first to tell you,
the ending of the TV show
is not going to be like the
ending in the comics.
At all.
I don't see any other.
Well,
I do see another way they could do it.
But I'm just such a huge fan
of the comic book end in that I'm like,
it messes with me to think
they would do it a different way,
I guess.
Because that's the one thing I'm like,
you can take all the
creative liberties you want,
but the ending's the ending
in my head with this one.
But then again,
they may come up with
something and I'm like, you know what?
God damn.
All right.
I stand corrected on this.
Let me ask you a question.
Game of Thrones.
Hold on a second.
The original series, Game of Thrones,
what season was it that you said, okay,
this is too far gone?
Season six, midway.
Everything about it after season,
midway through season six,
I was just like, this is hard to watch.
Okay,
so how about this for shits and giggles?
Anything after season,
I think it was season,
the beginning of season five.
Yeah.
After season four, maybe season five,
that was it.
Which season was it where
she was left there with her dragon?
Five, I believe.
That was at the end of five?
I think so, yeah.
That was it.
The Black wedding that never
happened and people were like, oh,
season five is still great.
No, season five sucked ass.
It was long before season six,
before Disaster of Seven
and the horrible ending of Eight.
And so there is nothing
about that show after
basically midway through season five,
at the end of season five,
with elements throughout.
Like I said,
the Black Wedding happened
fairly early in season five.
None of that other shit that went on
was anything remotely about
what was happening in the movie, in the,
in the books.
Yeah, no, I know.
Yeah.
So for when, when people say, okay,
you know, it's supposed to end, you know,
the way that it ended in
the books or the comics for me, I'm like,
I'm still willing to let this shit cook.
Let's let the boys cook and
let it go down the way it's
supposed to go down.
Cause right now,
Billy's got a whole nother
motherfucker in his head.
Dude,
he's got a whole goddamn parasite
living inside of him.
Not just the parasite,
but he's got that... Okay,
I'm jumping ahead.
Let's go.
We can talk about that in a second.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's see, where was I?
Okay.
All right.
This one is related to Gen
V. I know we haven't talked
about Gen V on the show,
but did Gen V. So we got season three,
Gen V, then season four of the boys.
Do you think Gen V created a
distraction from the main
title with the creation of
new characters and stories unrelated to
No.
To the main.
Okay.
No.
What I do think that because
we don't actually see the Gen V. Well,
we see elements of Gen V
throughout the last season, right?
This season.
We see elements of it and we
actually see a couple of
guys from Gen V at the end.
Yep.
Basically,
they're coming over and they're mixing.
I think that
Gen V in itself was supposed
to be very much so standalone-ish.
Yeah.
Well,
it's got to be standalone because
that's an original story.
Well, no,
it doesn't have to be standalone.
You can mix an original story with it.
I'm not saying standalone
like a standalone.
What I'm saying is like,
It's Eric Kripke's creation.
It's his character, his story.
It's standalone in the fact
that it's unrelated to the boys,
even though it ties to the boys.
Okay.
Because it's the same concept.
Well, it's the same universe,
same homelander goes there.
I think the elements and
events that happened with
the cast of Gen V
precipitated the need for
them to be incorporated into the boys.
We're supposed to get a
second season of Gen V. I
don't know if that is going to happen.
No, that one's happening.
They've already said that it's happening.
They're just choosing not to recast.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, the fellow that died.
Well, this is what I'm saying.
This is why I'm saying that is because,
you know,
when you now are seeing people
from Gen V in the boys,
how are they going to go back to Gen V?
And make it fit.
They can't.
They're not.
I will leave it to Eric
Kripke to figure out how
they're going to do season two.
I got a feeling season two
is going to roll.
And I mean this wholeheartedly.
They're going to end Gen V.
Season 2,
and it's going to go flow
straight into The Boys Season 5.
It has to.
There's some stuff happening
behind the scenes there in
Gen V. That's why we're
seeing them now in The Boys.
Mainly The Boys season
finale for Season 4.
But I got a feeling they're
going to tie it into there somewhere.
They're going to interweave it.
I'll give leeway to see that happen.
Yeah,
I'm going to get a little bit because
I really enjoyed the
characters from Gen V. Mary Moreau,
Kate Dunlap,
I felt like were two of the
stronger characters in there.
We see Kate in the season finale,
and Mary Moreau hasn't.
She's still locked up with the others.
Yes.
Which leads me into Temp V.
The use of Temp V in the TV series,
do you think that takes
away from the fact that in the comic book,
the boys use Super Soldier
Serum instead of Compound V?
Like,
that's what it was called in the
comic book was the Super
Soldier Serum Compound V
versus in the TV series,
it's just Temp V. Yeah.
And it gives them, like, a short amount of,
like, boost.
Power.
Yeah.
So, one...
think that the name change
is so that Marvel doesn't sue.
Yes.
And not just Marvel, but Disney.
Yes.
There's a difference between
you and Image in your comic
book saying it's the super
soldier serum and Marvel going...
It's the what?
We're going to let you get away with it.
But now they say it in Disney.
The mouse is going to be like, oh, no,
we're going to smack that ass.
And they're literally going
to smack that ass.
So that wouldn't, you know.
Yeah,
I think that there's that reason why
they call it Temp V. I
don't think it takes
anything away from it.
I don't think that it changes much.
The deterioration of people
who take Temp V,
I can't remember in the
comics if it happened the same way,
that even though it gave them a boost,
most people died from it.
I think they wanted more,
and it was a habit-forming thing.
But there were some side effects to it.
I remember that.
Yeah.
the tip V thing,
the way that they have it going, you know,
if butcher from his use of
it is having such bad effects, how come,
you know,
he hasn't had that same thing or is he,
when will he, you know,
it was pretty fucked up with his dad,
you know, that,
that shit was fucking brutal.
What?
Oh my God, I was sitting there going, no,
no, no, no, no, no.
And, you know,
the fact that his mom had to
see that shit and how his
mom and his dad were
getting back together and, you know,
which on another note,
there's so many people out
there that hated that whole part of it.
And they're like, oh, his mom,
she should have died and
she ain't worth shit.
We don't know all the ins
and outs of this shit.
We do start to get some of
her story tied in.
Yeah, she couldn't handle it.
She had postpartum and all
this other shit.
And that's a real shit.
To find out that her and him,
his mom and his dad have been
communicating for you know a
few years now you know that that's
that's life.
It's messy.
I felt bad for his dad
because his dad is probably
one of the best people in
the whole fucking show.
Bro, hands fucking down.
From season one to the
moment he takes his last
breath on screen.
God damn.
The dude that plays him, what's his name?
Um...
fucking shauna the dead dude
um I wish I could remember
his name uh simon peg simon
peg thank you dude he's one
of those guys like I see
his name shit pop up on
something yeah I'm watching
and I'm gonna watch it I'm
gonna watch it and I know
he's got another movie
coming out too I want to
see it's like a follow-up
to shauna the dead like a
like like a what happens after
And I'm like, dude, I'm here for it.
Just just put it on the screen.
I'm here, you know.
Because I do enjoy anything he does.
So.
And I know this next
question that I want to
talk to you about is it's
probably one of my.
I go back and forth on it, right?
So in the comic book, we get the female.
However, the boys, we get Kimiko,
same person, same everything,
but they humanize her in the TV series.
Basically.
Yeah.
What,
what is your favorite version or
which version do you prefer of,
of the character Kimiko or the female?
Cause in the comic book, she's the female.
That's it.
Hmm.
I want to say Kimiko because
Kimiko is more relatable.
I'm with you, yeah.
And that's by design.
They could have made her exactly like,
you know, the female of her kind.
And, you know, just,
but you wouldn't have those
same moments of, you know,
Kimiko being Kimiko.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
You don't have those.
And for an actress to go, what is,
you know,
four seasons and not say a fucking word.
The actress who plays her is
Karen Fukuhara.
And she is amazing.
Yes, Katana, you're absolutely right.
She's amazing, dude.
Like,
From the Better Suicide Squad?
Yep.
Hey, there's no arguments here, dude.
No,
that was for all the other people out
there.
The Tims?
I said that out loud, didn't I?
But no,
I watched her on Instagram and
everything that she'd done
to become Kimiko...
learning sign language and
doing all this stuff.
I'm just like, yeah, she put in the work.
And that's probably what she's in.
One of my favorite
characters throughout this entire thing,
even in the comic book,
you have to go to some
other place to be able to,
to draw that much emotion, words, emotion,
and everything without thinking.
saying things.
Just the looks that she gives,
just the shifting of the eyes,
the contours of the face.
You know exactly what she's
saying without her saying it.
Even though she's doing sign language.
Yes.
Even when she wasn't doing it.
She could tell the story with just looks.
That's why it
like the first time I sit
down and watched season one and she,
she's introduced and I'm just like, damn,
this girl gets it.
Like she could tell she went
and studied the comic book
and who this character was.
And she didn't just take it as a, Oh,
they say I'm this.
No, she, she put in the work and it shows.
So I'm, I'm not mad.
And I, like you,
I do prefer Kimiko because I,
unlike the comic book in the show, she,
she's more humanized.
And I think I do Karen Fukuhara.
God, she's fucking slaying it, dude.
She's brilliant.
Mad prop.
So I was wanting to break
this down by episode,
but with the conversations we're having,
I really don't want to, uh,
to do that.
So let's do it like this.
Let's just talk about some
of our favorite parts of like,
let's go the first half of the season.
So one through four.
Okay, let's roll with it.
And I know I mentioned this
question to you earlier.
Did MM, Mother's Milk,
get the respect he earned from
And why did Butcher always
feel the need to shat on Mother's Milk?
And we're talking TV show Mother's Milk,
not comedy book Mother's Milk.
Okay, one, no.
Mother's Milk doesn't get
the respect that he deserves.
I think that he gets... He's got a chance.
And him seeing...
There's a reason why at a
few times even Starlight was like,
we need Butcher back.
We need Butcher.
Because Mother's Milk in the
comics cannot and will not
do the things that Butcher does.
And he's given the chance to
lead the team and it doesn't
exactly go the way that he
wants to he finds out
corralling all of them
including huey who's
supposed to be his right
hand man it's fucking hard
work to do dude it puts you
know what I'm saying get
heard in into a whole new
perspective fuck yeah um so
in in that aspect I i think that you know
No, he's not.
And again,
he gets smacked with a dick and
knocked out at the end of the season.
He gets no respect.
He gets no fucking respect.
Who else didn't get any respect?
Um... It's Rodney Dangerfield, by the way.
Rodney Dangerfield said that.
Yeah.
Yeah, but in this one, Huey.
Huey was... I felt so bad for Huey.
Dude,
Huey is portrayed as the biggest
bitch in this show.
No,
I wouldn't say that he's the biggest
bitch,
but he's the kid that just fucked
up shit just keeps happening.
How do you not become as
fucked up as the fucked up
shit that happens to you?
He's a good kid, man.
And that's a testament to his dad.
Yes.
Because I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Being down there in
TechMag's fucking sex dungeon...
And having that shit happen to me.
What?
I'd have killed them all.
I'd have killed every last one of them.
And Ashley would never have
made it to the end.
Alright, so let's talk about Ashley.
Colby Minifee plays Ashley.
And... Dude, she slays this fucking role.
Like,
she's another one that you can tell...
She didn't just take her characters like,
oh, this is who my character is.
No,
you could tell she went and put in the
work to learn who Ashley
really is from the comic book.
and fuck is she not killing
it dude like this season
she was phenomenal the
evolution I mean she's
she's still clearly so
terrified yeah and she
knows she's 100% fucked no
matter why she knows that
sooner or later her her
clock is getting punched
So if her and A-Train,
it's happening at some point.
Oh, my God.
And A-Train was like, come on,
we've got to go.
He's got to know.
When she looks at him with
that resolve in her face, it's like, no,
no.
If I'm going to die,
I'm not going to die
running or any of this stuff.
And that resolve was there.
But, you know,
she wears a wig because
she's pulled out all her fucking hair.
Yeah.
She, you know, oh, yeah, she took Temp V,
so we got to figure out how
that works out.
Dude, that's one of those where I'm like,
she's gonna be something
completely I got a feeling
that she's not gonna be
like recognizably human
when we see her in season
five she's not I just don't
see it happening she's not
I got a feeling it's gonna
completely like deform and
deranger the the
I keep going back to Tech
Nights sex dungeon because that, you know,
we knew that she was doing
old boy and dominating the
hell out of him.
But, you know, no, the not Tech Night,
but the the what's his name?
The news guy.
Yeah, the news guy.
But then to see her do the
they thought that he was
Huey was the spider guy.
And oh, my God.
When she put her hand on his face,
there was so much slime.
Oh, bro, that wasn't slime, man.
How the fuck?
I know it wasn't slime,
but how the fuck did she
generate that much?
What the hell?
It was just like, oh, man.
Oh, what the shit?
And then she just went on
about her business.
Yeah.
Man, fucking mad props to Huey too, man.
Fucking Jack Quaid.
I love the dude, man.
He's brilliant.
He bodies this character.
He does.
If they decide 10 years from now, like, oh,
we're going to reboot the boys,
the fuck you are.
Jack Quaid ain't going to
come back and fly Huey.
Listen, he, again,
over the years and over the seasons,
How does he not just become
as murderous as Billy is?
I mean, he's murked some guys.
Some on accident, some on purpose.
Let's go back to the very
first person he killed by accident.
Translucent.
He shoved a stick of
dynamite up his fucking ass.
Yeah.
That was one of those things.
I wholeheartedly... Billy...
The butcher kills on a whim.
Yeah.
You know,
sometimes it's not necessary for
him to do the things that he does.
Huey is not there yet.
And Huey could be, you know,
in the comic books,
Huey got to that point.
Dude,
Huey got to a point where he would
just do it.
Yes, and that was the point of Huey,
the degradation of Huey in the comics.
He's not there yet,
but seeing how they ended
this season four, they may get there.
And since we're just going
to freelance this whole thing,
when he sees what was his
friend in Victoria Newman
get ripped apart by the Butcher,
Yeah,
I think that could be when we see him
come back in season five.
I think that's the version
of Huey we're going to get.
Like, he kind of knows, like,
this is it for us.
I don't think that it was
Victoria doing that because
he had warned Victoria.
He told her,
you keep going down this route,
you're going to die,
and it's not going to be good.
I think the part of it is, is at the end,
they separated him and
Starlight and took him down.
Well, Starlight did get away.
Oh, yeah.
She got away, but he's done.
I think that's going to be
the one that got it.
You know, he's... Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's... Again,
and that wasn't really
Butcher that killed Victoria.
No, that was the Parasite.
The Parasite.
His cancer evolved into a
parasite with the use of compound V. Yep.
Because you notice now the
cancer isn't killing him.
He's not debilitated.
Yep.
But he's also not 100% in
control of himself.
Oh, he's not Billy.
That's not Billy.
That's the parasite.
Yeah.
You know, 100%.
I want to talk about episode 4.
Let's do episode 4 because I
kind of felt like that was
Homelander's beginning to his end.
I think this is where he
really kind of fucking
loses himself in his own head.
Other than the fact that
he's collecting his gray hairs in a jar.
I'm not going to say what hair it was.
so he goes back to the lab
that he was grown in and um
he torments and tortures
like the main people at the
um the lab and um dude it
is probably one of the
bloodiest like episodes that we we get
Because, I mean,
the one guy who used to
watch him in the furnace.
The kiln?
Yeah, the furnace.
Yeah, he cuts the dude.
Like, crispy critters, this motherfucker.
Like, it got so hot,
it burned the bone in the ash.
And I was like, oh, damn.
He's like,
you used to watch me when I was
a kid when y'all would
stick me in here to see how,
if it would burn me.
Yep, how hard it got.
He goes, I never burned,
but that shit still hurt.
Yeah.
Like the one dude, he shot his dick off.
He didn't just shoot his dick off.
He put a hole through where his body is.
His junk used to be.
Yep.
And then finally, the main,
that lady in charge, I forgot,
did he just lock her in the silence room?
He locked her in the silence
room with all of their dead bodies.
Yes, like all the lab tests, everybody.
Yeah,
he killed the rest of them and locked
her in there with them.
And you know what's going to
happen to her in this room
where you can hear nothing
but your blood flowing through your body.
Yep.
Like, how fast it would take for it to,
like, drive you insane.
Now, I don't think that that was...
where he really started losing himself at.
I mean, he started... Yeah, go ahead.
So remember, he talked about, you know,
this whole season from last season,
the ending of last season,
and throughout the season
was them doing whatever the
fuck that they want to do
because he's Homelander.
Who the fuck is going to stop him?
Yeah.
And so going back,
he had always had terror
about this place and those people.
This was him taking back, you know,
in the bloodiest,
most fucked up way that he knew how.
But, you know,
basically he was subjecting
them to the same shit that...
subjected them to the same
shit that they subjected
him to and did so for years.
They basically tortured him.
I had no problem with
Homelander doing this.
For me,
where he started losing it was
seeing that his son
Wanted more to do with Billy
the Butcher than... Yeah, yeah.
You're right.
That right there started
fucking with him on a whole nother level.
Yeah.
And then him getting a new milkmaid.
Fucking... What's her name?
Firecracker.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was... She...
That scene right there,
just the surprise that he had,
the... That was... She
would do that for him.
When she first popped it out, he's like,
I'm not even remotely
interested in you like that.
And then she squirted at me.
He's like...
The surprise and the awe was like,
he was like, you did that for me?
Yeah.
But she made herself sick.
Yeah, she made herself sick.
And he's like, when he hands her a tissue,
he's like, no, move.
No, no, no.
Father.
All right, let's talk about Sage.
Go ahead.
Let's do Sage.
Sage, no, no.
Sage helped participate that.
You remember, she was like,
keep doing what you need to
do to keep him, you know, in your voice.
She knew what was going to
happen and how he was going
to react to it.
Yep.
Now, I wanted to, real quick,
let's close out Huey's dad
because he closed out.
So he is given Temp V. No,
I think he was given
full-up Compound V. He was
given the V that was in
Homelander's... Dresser,
which is a full-up... Dresser.
Yeah,
those are the last vials of Compound
V. Yep.
And his dad,
who suffered a stroke in Episode 1,
and what happened is when
he woke up and...
At first he was fine,
but then they're like, okay,
we're going to go and we'll be back.
And when they get back,
they find out that he's awakened again.
And he's basically like,
he's unintentionally murdering everyone,
like everyone in the
hospital because he has no
clue what's going on.
He doesn't even know like where he's at,
what he's doing or anything.
Yeah.
He doesn't remember.
He doesn't remember years.
He doesn't remember any of that.
He remembers that his wife left him.
He doesn't remember him
getting over it or any of that stuff.
So when he was coming at her,
Huey was like, okay, stop that.
He's like, you're not Huey.
Huey's a boy.
Yeah, Huey's a kid.
You're not Huey.
Yeah.
but when he read through
that bed and then oh dude
yeah yeah that was oh god
that was it wasn't the
bloodiest scene but that
was definitely a unique one
that's for sure yeah and
it's not the first time we
had seen something similar
to that but that was one of
the ones where it was just like
who got the worst of that deal,
the dead guy or Huey's dad?
Because Huey's dad still has
no clue what's going on or
what's happening to him.
Yeah, that's... The worst, the worst,
the worst.
But, you know, I think his mom and himself,
they did the right thing
when they were finally able
to get him laid down and
then put him down, basically.
Yeah.
And that's one of those
things is when do you do
something like that?
And I think that they did it
at exactly the right,
most applicable time.
And it was perfect.
It was like right at a mid-season,
kind of like season finale
turn point is when that happened.
And Rob has dropped again,
but we'll keep pressing on.
Until he can rejoin us.
And yeah.
Good times are happening today.
With his internet.
Wherever he is staying at this week.
So we just closed out.
on Huey's father and him finally being,
you know,
them attempting to save him to them,
you know,
eventually being the ones that
had to put him down.
But what we were about to
talk about and take a
moment to discuss was the
deep and his serious
depravity when it comes to
his lady friends in his life.
aquatic and non aquatic.
And, um,
I was going to give big ups to
chase Crawford who brought
the deeps character to the screen for us.
And that dude,
like fricking nailed this role.
Like there can never be
another deep after this
cause chase Crawford
absolutely slam this role.
Um,
He, yeah, I mean, he lost his wife,
his newfound wife that they
gave to him to help cure
him of whatever was elling
him in his depraved ways to
having his secret
girlfriend in the closet, i.e.
his octopus.
And, yeah, that was fucked up,
really fucked up.
To him eventually, you know,
having relations with Sage,
who apparently also was
just as depraved as him.
Maybe not as much, but still, nonetheless,
she was just as depraved
between her taking
advantage of the poor old
Deep and Black Noir at the time.
So...
We've already hit on Tech
Night's House of Depravity
and Huey's undercover
business as the web weaver.
And we're kind of closing in
toward the end of season four.
And I was wanting to kind of
like dig into basically where
we are going in season five
with them having the
ability to make the virus
that could possibly kill
all the soups to include
Homelander to them.
Just having maybe,
I think enough to possibly
kill Homelander, maybe.
Um, so there's that.
And, uh,
Really,
episode eight is kind of like we
get to visit.
Ron visits Butcher in the
hospital with Mallory.
And they were trying to
convince Ron to possibly kill his father.
But that kind of upsets Ron
and Ron does accidentally kill Mallory,
who has been the.
The biggest points of.
Hey, late's better than never, man,
because right now I am
talking to myself because
Rob dropped out for like the fifth time,
and I'm just trying to make
it through to the end,
and I can close out this
episode because this has
been a rough one as we've
been talking about the boys.
But yeah, so...
Ryan accidentally kills
Mallory and runs away from... Basically,
Ryan should have just ran
the fuck away to begin with
because nobody in his life
was a positive influence on
that poor kid.
And it's bad enough he's Homelander's son.
And then... So, again,
with Homelander's growing paranoia,
he directs what's left of
the Seven to kill everyone.
In Vought Tower.
And who may or may not have
discriminating evidence
against the crimes that the
seven have committed, which I mean,
really,
there's everybody knows what the
seven has committed and all
the crimes they have done.
But in that haste, Ashley,
poor old Ashley went from
the CEO of the company to
being just a flunky in the company.
leads her to injecting
herself with compound V.
And we never really see her
after she injects herself
with compound V. So it's
going to be interesting
when season five rolls around,
what has become of Ashley
and her injecting herself
with the compound V. I got
a feeling it's not going to
be a pretty sight for her.
But who knows?
And as I was saying earlier, now,
You know,
Kimiko ends up infected with the
virus that could possibly
take out all the soups.
And then.
So Frenchie saws off her leg
very violently.
To save Kimiko's life.
Because we all know Kimiko
is going to regrow her leg.
So that's going to be a kind
of a non-issue there.
And then Kimiko or Frenchie uses her leg.
infected leg to recreate the
virus that is going to be
able to supposedly kill the Supes.
So then Singer, who is the president-elect,
the boys discover that there is a
A shapeshifter out there.
Who is looking.
Working with the seven.
To kill Singer.
That way they can put.
Victoria Newman.
In charge.
But.
With.
Well they discover that.
The shapeshifter.
Is actually.
She has kidnapped Annie.
A.K.A Starlight.
And.
Become Annie.
Annie.
And so that's when they
realize that while they're
in the bunker with
President Yvette Singer,
that Annie is the one who
is the shapeshifter.
And during this time,
Victoria Newman and
Homelander are on a news program and.
Homelander outs Victoria as
being a soup herself,
which up until this point,
she had kept a secret.
And of course, with that happening,
it freaks Victoria out and
she calls Huey to protect
her and her daughter Zoe, who, by the way,
Victoria injected with
compound V as well.
And had her own episode of
Soup Rampage and of eating people.
But anyways, so the boys,
they go to meet Newman.
And as they're meeting Newman,
Butcher shows up.
And Butcher basically kills
Newman with his...
I don't want to say new
powers because it's not really powers.
It's his cancer has evolved
into a parasite that is
overtaken him basically.
And he stills the virus from Frenchie rips,
you know, Newman in half.
And then, um, uh,
when back at the seven headquarters, uh,
Sister Sage returns to tell
Homelander that everything
has gone as planned and it
was a success because
Singer has been arrested.
And Gibbs is back.
Dude, I've been the kind of like synopsis,
like the final episode.
When you pot back in.
So that's kind of where I'm
at with Singer being
arrested for conspiring
with the boys to kill Newman.
Yes.
And so then,
so now Singer's been arrested.
Newman's been ripped in half by Billy,
Billy's parasite.
And so now the speaker of
the house is become the new
president and swears
allegiance to Homelander
and declares martial law.
Which probably ain't the
best idea with Homelander in charge.
So then the boys are ambushed.
They're captured by Vought.
And the only one of
everybody who manages to escape is Annie.
and of course, you know,
butcher escapes and he has
a virus with him.
And I don't think the virus
is enough to be the normal virus.
If I'm remembering correctly,
it's just enough to
possibly kill Homelander.
And, um,
Of course, you know,
the Speaker of the House is like, oh,
you're looking for Soldier
Boy in Durrett's Homelander
where Soldier Boy is being
held in cryogenic freezing.
Well, he's not cryogenically freezing.
There's another gas or drug
out there that puts him in.
Something that's keeping him frozen, yeah.
Yeah.
And they don't age normally anyway.
Right.
Because, I mean, shit,
at this point... Um...
Soldier Boy is in his 80s or 90s.
Yeah.
So it was a very wild time
with the shapeshifters and.
Oh, Jesus.
You know,
Mother's Milk having second
thoughts and just thinking
about running away.
Yeah.
Just going to be with his family.
Homelander killing Web Weaver.
And fucking well, we were like,
I don't I don't know how to
how to put this.
But he when well,
we were gets nervous or anxious.
The dude literally can't
stop shooting webs.
He doesn't.
It's literally it's not out of his ass.
He's got a little thing
above his ass like a spider would have.
And he that's how he shoots webs.
And it's just, like,
it's absolutely fucking disgusting.
Like, Jesus fucking Christ.
But, yeah, man,
I think we're at a good spot.
Let's do this.
I did want to discuss with you.
I did mention this a little
bit because I really wanted
to talk about the deep stuff.
And his depravity.
Oh, Jesus.
And I wanted to give props
to Chase Crawford.
For bringing us the deep in
deep thoughts with the deep,
because those are some of
the best shorts out there, man.
So the deep is.
The deep has gone from doing
anything and everything for
acceptance to accepting that he is.
Superior, thanks again, Sister Sage.
Yep.
And that allowed him to
be... That was done for two
reasons she did that.
One, because I think she truly believes,
why the fuck are you
letting her tell you what to do?
Yep.
You were superior to her in every way.
Yep.
And two, to destabilize Ashley.
So it was a two-for-one stone.
Mm-hmm.
But,
you know... And she also used it to
get her own rots off, too.
Mm-hmm.
Well, she did,
but she had to lobotomize
herself to do the Deep.
And then we find out she was
doing Black Noir, too,
and she wasn't lobotomizing herself.
I mean, we're talking the Deep here.
The Deep went from having a
wife at the beginning of
the season to having another octopus.
Well, no,
it's the same octopus from
previous seasons.
But he murders her.
That, to me,
was where the Deep really gets... I mean,
from the first season,
he gets no redemption.
But him murdering the octopus, you know,
that was, dude, that's fucking no-no.
Yeah, his redemption arc was, like,
on point by that time until he did that.
No,
he wasn't going to get no redemption
from me.
Not necessarily a redemption,
but his character, like,
the level of his character, like, kind of,
like,
Okay, we're now learning that.
Okay, now he's finally realized, like,
dude, you're a fucking suit man.
Yes, yes.
And then he's like, oh,
but let me murder my girl real quick.
Okay, I'm tracking.
Yeah.
And then he lets her die and, you know,
effectively murdering her.
And then you see from there, he's just.
That fucked him up, I think,
a lot more than he expected it to.
Especially once he realizes
Sage is also sleeping with
Black Noir and not lobotomizing herself.
Oh, that shit is hilarious.
And Noir is like, yeah, okay.
I'm walking away.
Hell yeah.
So yes, the Deep is one.
Both the Deep and A-Train have to die.
Absolutely, yeah.
They both have to die.
For different reasons,
but they both have to die.
Yeah.
The second Black Noir.
The first one's already dead.
He had his shit ripped out.
Oh, no, I wasn't talking about Noir.
I'm talking about the D and A-Train.
Oh, A-Train, yeah, yeah.
Now, Noir's going to die, too.
I do believe... I believe
Noir's going to die, or he might die.
He has a 50-50 chance of making it,
because he's just doing the shit,
because... That's what he
was hired to do.
That's what he was hired to do, you know?
And he's like, okay,
but he doesn't really want
to... He's like, dude,
this is some fucked up shit, you know?
Yes.
He started talking.
I was like, Oh my God.
All right.
You know, but he's,
he's not above doing some,
some doing the shit, but he's like,
what the fuck are we doing?
You know, I just want to know direction.
What direction is my character going?
I'm like, he may make it,
but he may not make it,
but the deep in a train,
they have to die.
Yeah.
I want to ask you this.
What was your favorite death this season?
The one death where you're like, fuck it.
It's about time that person is done.
Oh, shit.
What?
Oh, fuck.
I know.
I saved the hard one for last.
What?
The one this season that said, ha ha, yes,
I'm glad they're dead.
Yes.
I don't know if I have one of those.
It might have to be Victoria.
Okay.
Because she's been dancing too long,
and it's time she died.
I think that that was
probably the one for me for this season.
Who was yours?
It was a toss-up, really,
between Victoria and Tech Knight.
I hated Tech Knight's
character from the very beginning.
When they introduced him on...
uh jen v I was like I hate
this motherfucker like that
smug arrogance that he
carried onto the which is
his job and the guy whoever
played him fucking
fantastic job great job
yeah but god damn way and
he finally his butler put a
fucking cap in him and he's
like I'm so tired of
cleaning up after his ass
And then he's like, here's a secret door.
Y'all go.
I'll clean this shit up.
Don't worry about this shit.
I got this.
I was like, alright, yeah.
That's somebody who has
suffered and is like... Yes.
This poor fella, man.
He was like, yeah,
I'm enough of this shit.
Yeah.
But, all right,
that was my final question.
Any last bits from you?
On the boys itself, no.
Nothing really huge.
I did say that –
A-Train had to go,
but A-Train had probably
one of the most heartfelt
moments out there when he
rushed old boy to the hospital.
Yeah, MM.
He had his hero moment.
He had his hero moment, and he's like,
that's how this should feel.
I love that he got that for him, but
When he dies, I'm going to be like, God,
I hope he goes out a hero.
Yeah, no, I'm with you with that one,
especially on A-Treme.
He became such a likable
character this season.
Oh, no, I still hate him.
He is not a likable character.
He is a... He's doing it out
of necessity to...
he's doing it out of
necessity to try and stay alive.
But in the, in doing so he's finding,
you know, he had his hero moment.
He had the hero moment and he,
he wishes that, you know,
like he told Huey, listen, man,
he was like, listen, man,
I know this and this, but I'm trying,
you know, and,
See, to me, that's the scene that said,
damn, I actually kind of like him.
Yeah.
No,
that's the scene that I said his death
is even going to be more
tragic because of how he's got to die.
You know,
it's going to be this futile
fight against Homelander
that's going to hurt even
with him killing Huey's girl.
even with him doing some of
the fucked up shit like he
did to his own girlfriend,
the way that he's just let
his brother get dissed and all that shit,
all of that shit that he has done,
in that one moment when
he's futilely trying to
fight Homelander and is
getting fucked up and killed,
you're going to say, God damn fuck,
A-Train!
you deserved it.
You bastard.
God.
Oh yeah, dude.
You know, it's funny.
I say like, you know,
I'm ha I'm liking where
he's going and all this.
My thing is,
if he would have died after he saved him,
I wouldn't have been mad at that point.
You know what I'm saying?
Like he got his hero moment.
And if he would have been
discovered at that point, like, Oh,
this motherfucker is the
traitor and Homelander
would have just did him in right there.
Uh, I,
I could have been like, oh, okay.
Yeah, no, he got his moment,
and then Homelander was like,
you're done.
Yeah,
I could have seen them dying right then,
but I think that they're waiting for a...
huge impactful moment yeah I
think it's going to be one
of those that it's going to
be you know where we really
feel for for a train you
know and you know they're
going to make his you know
him saving mother's milk
was part of his redemption
art but you know like huey
said there's no redemption for you mm-hmm
You know,
Huey would still kill him if he could.
Oh, dude.
In a blink of an eye, he would do it.
But that is my last shot.
My last takeaway is...
Fuck.
It's all the perfect storm
that is set up that next
season is just going to be
a beast of a fucking season.
And it's the final.
I don't think we're ready.
It's going to be well over the top.
So I will ask this.
Part and shot,
if you had to recommend the boys,
would you recommend the
comic book to somebody or the TV show?
Yes.
yes first of all it depends
on the person because I
don't recommend the boys
for no I don't either but
if you're a person that I'm
going to recommend it to
I'm going to tell you watch
the boys then read I'm
going to tell you do both
yes but I'm going to tell
you to watch the boys then
read the comic yeah I'll be
I can be down with that
Yep.
Because if you do it the other way around,
you're going to fuck yourself up.
Yeah,
you're definitely going to fuck...
You're not going to want to
do the other one if you read it first.
Exactly.
So with that, everybody,
if you stuck around, I appreciate it.
I apologize for all our
technical difficulties tonight.
I am so sorry, you guys.
And then having to listen to
me kind of like just drag
on for a little bit.
I do apologize.
With that,
I want to thank everybody that
did tune in for tuning in.
Big props to Ben and to Pop
Break for loaning me Ben, basically.
You'll see Ben again.
We're bringing Ben back for
part two of Cobra Kai.
And I'm not sure when our
next episode will be,
but we will have a next episode.
It'll probably be,
it definitely won't be
anytime this month because
I'm going to spend the last
week probably still crying
because my daughter's gone to college.
And I have a birthday in there,
so I'm going to celebrate my birthday.
I don't know how long I'm going to be,
but we'll go 23 again.
There we go.
Um, big thanks to everybody.
Like I said,
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to DFPN as always for
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Um,
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