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Hey, I'm Michael Dyrynda.

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And I'm Jake Bennett.

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and welcome to episode 152 of the North
Meets South web podcast.

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You know, I like our long intro music.

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I just, it was such a good song, such a
good intro.

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I mean, you know?

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but you listen to all the podcasts now and
all of them are just straight into it and,

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and since that is where everybody else.

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We're just following the whole, you know,
no uniqueness necessary.

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Just you know, follow the limit lemmings
right off the cliff.

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No, no, I put all of my uniqueness into
other things.

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It's my hair, my hair.

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Someone said to me the other day, what
color is coming next?

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I said, I don't know.

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It's just, Eli's got his school sports day
coming up next week, I think.

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So I will, I will go, he's in team blue.

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So I will, I'll put some blue stuff in my
hair for that.

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There you go, there you go.

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Nice.

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Hey, it's like that surfer blonde.

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It's nearing the end of the summer, you're
mourning the loss of summertime.

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So hey, I get it.

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I understand, I understand.

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Hey, today I got, see if you can tell what
I'm showing you.

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got some new AirPods at last.

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Yes, because the old ones were absolute
garbage.

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And the only way I know they did it.

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Yeah, and they would the left.

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Yeah, yeah.

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then you reset them a few times and they
get better and then they crackle again.

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And then it's like really annoying, but
you're like, no, it's not that bad.

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Like I don't need to, and then re, and I
was complaining to re about it.

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And she's like, just get new ones.

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I said, no, that's fine.

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And then she had

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reason to use them one time and she was
like, get new ones now you can't you can't

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do this now

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And like honestly, like my right mic, they
wouldn't work if the microphone was on the

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right ear.

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So I had to switch it to the left ear
because the microphone stopped working.

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And so like if I ever just had the right
one in a phone call came and I couldn't

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pick it up, so that's kind of left was
annoying.

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And then when I would put my finger on my
left one to like adjust it, it would

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whistle like a whee in my ear.

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Really high pitched.

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Oh, so annoying.

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every now and then.

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And it would just happen at random as
well.

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And you'd be like, ah.

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So I think, you know, it's, it's just the
AirPods, but yeah, the new, the new ones

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are nice.

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I, they often fall out of my pocket.

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And so they just end up somewhere and it's
the worst when they fall out of my pocket

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when I do, you know, bedtime with, with
the kids and they're out, they're like

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left in the bed.

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And it's like, so now, you know, they've
got fine my they're much better with, but

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like

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The little microphone at the bottom.

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Yeah.

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when you, you know, suspect that you've
dropped them in someone's bed because you

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don't want to wake them up with that
chirping, but they are quite handy.

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Much easier to find now.

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ones, so let's see if you if you couldn't
find them, you can find them.

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There was no, you know, yeah.

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And so

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Orenstein, Adam Wathen school of AirPods,
as soon as you have to spend more than 30

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seconds looking for them, you just go on
apple.com and you buy Nuance.

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That's it.

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They'll turn up eventually, but you just
get another pair.

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I think Adam's got like five or six fixed
pairs.

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The last time I saw his, he's, he's like,
you know, you know, you go to the swingers

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party and they put the keys in the bowl
where he's just got a bowl full of

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AirPods.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep, just doesn't matter.

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They're all interchangeable.

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Just pick up a pair, put them in your
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That's pretty funny.

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Yeah, that's pretty funny.

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I was looking at AirPod Max and I'm like,
I don't know.

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I would consider getting some just for
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coding session.

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Yeah, do you use them?

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Uh, usually only when I go to the office,
cause of the, cause like these are good

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for noise canceling, but they don't like
block sound, whereas those are much

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better, the over eating to just block out.

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Um, but I don't, when I'm at home, I've
just got the app, the home pods here.

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So I've just got the home pods going on
all the time.

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I don't really, they're good at night when
I want, like there are some TV shows that

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I want to, you know, like we just watch.

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And it's fine if it's like it's dialogue
or there's not much going on, but there

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are some shows like Halo, for example.

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I want to watch that with full volume.

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So I'll put the, the max on.

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Is it on what?

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What channel is that?

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Is it on Netflix or is it on Apple TV?

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Plot?

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What is it?

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Oh, Paramount.

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Oh, OK.

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I could get there.

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one had a really strong pilot and then a
lot of like filler between episodes like

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two and episode seven, and then like two
good episodes or whatever it was, three

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good episodes to close out the season and
then kind of ended.

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And then this season I think is much more
in line with like the action aspects of

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Halo.

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But I think there's a lot of reticence
around the fact that for spoilers, skip

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forward 30 seconds, um, that he, like that
they're not wearing their suits.

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Like there's a lot of the, the like not
act, there's still action parts, but there

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are a lot of like action parts out of
their like master chief suit.

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So, um, I think there's some complaints
about that, but they've, they've spent a

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lot of time.

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I look, I, I enjoy it.

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You know, the episodes are 45, 50 minutes,
an hour long.

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Did you play Halo as well growing up?

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Like did you know Halo, it's storyline,
all that stuff?

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finished all of the like single player
Halo games.

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I never got into like ODST or the
multiplayer stuff, but yeah.

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to me that'd be like if they came out with
like a Half-Life show or something.

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Because I was like, you know, that was my
jam when I was a kid, loved that stuff.

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But...

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um, what's going on?

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Something comes out next month.

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There's borderlands, which is a movie that
trailer came out a couple of weeks ago.

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And there is fallout.

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I think HBO has picked up and the fallout,
um, is, is out next month, which, which

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would be interesting to watch.

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I've, I've never played fallout.

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I couldn't, it gave me the, gave me the,
the headaches and the.

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And the head spins of there, there are
some games that just do it to me where

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they just, I can't play them because the
motion or whatever, they just give me

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terrible headaches and, and stuff.

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So that was one of those games, but I'm,
I'm into.

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Watching, you know, TV shows and things
like that.

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So I would definitely give that a, give
that a go.

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I'm more about a movie than TV series.

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Now, some people will be like, oh yeah,
but a TV series can give like so much

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further in depth and everything.

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And it's like, yeah, it can, but I just
don't have the patience or the commitment.

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It's like, I want to go and watch two hour
movies.

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So I want to watch Dune Two, for example.

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Like it was like three hours.

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It was so good though.

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So good.

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Really long, but really good.

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And I'm glad they didn't make it a TV
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It's just not the same.

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Like you can't watch a TV series in IMAX.

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You know what I mean?

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So it's like.

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Well, they're doing Harry Potter.

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They're revisiting Harry Potter.

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I think HBO or Max or whoever they've
picked it up and they're going to do like

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each book will be a season of the show.

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So it'd be interesting to see how they
kind of do that and pull it off.

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be fine.

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You know, Harry Potter is so popular even
I mean, just with even with like the young

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generation now, like my kids love the
Harry Potter books.

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And so that's funny.

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It just sticks around.

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It's got a lot of staying power.

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Hey, help me understand here.

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What does reticence mean?

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Like, how about it?

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Yeah.

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It's a Redison like his reservation.

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Yeah.

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It's like when you kind of.

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Resort like people were kind of against it
because it's like, people want essentially

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pick up the story and all of the action
and whatever, like basically pick up the

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campaign from the game and put it into a
TV series, which is like.

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Gamers are always like that.

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They're like, it's not exactly how I want
it, then it's no good.

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And it's like, just enjoy the thing for
what it is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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it's like, I read the books, it's not like
the books.

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It's like, I know it's different on
purpose.

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Like it's not supposed to be the book.

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I learned about this in like eighth grade
English, ninth grade English, it's like

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when they adapt books to different
mediums, whether TV or movie, they can't

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just do the same thing.

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Like the storytelling has to be different
in the visual medium.

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You don't get, you know, the, um, the ex
the exposition and like all of the

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explanatory stuff, you don't know what the
characters are thinking.

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Like you have to tell the story in a
different way.

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And so, yeah, look, it's like, maybe it's
not true to the story.

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You know, everyone goes on, there's lots
of law around it.

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Um, and, and things like that.

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When Mortal Kombat, the new Mortal Kombat
movie that came out a couple of years ago.

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Everyone was kind of like this, there's so
much law and the story to Mortal Kombat

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that you didn't have to, like you, you
inserted a character into the movie to

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tell the story of like.

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what Mortal Kombat is.

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And I think I see it from that point of
view where you're making a movie for a

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certain demographic.

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Like you're making a movie for Mortal
Kombat fans.

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But I think they went to the point where
they were like, we're trying to bring new

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people into it.

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And I think when you do that, you are
making a different piece of media.

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totally.

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to pick up a new audience.

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It's like there's, there's 20 or 30 years
of Mortal Kombat.

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People can go back.

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They don't need the backstory.

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They don't need to know, like there are
elements of it, but don't like create a

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character to tell the story because you,
you don't want to risk people, you know,

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not understanding something so they can go
and check that stuff out after.

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I think, you know, that's, that's the same
with halo.

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Like just tell a story.

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There we go.

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Well, uh, those, uh, those kind of, uh, 10
minutes of something you didn't come to

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maybe to hear, but maybe you did.

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I don't know.

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Sometimes people are like, Oh no, I like
the sort of pre show who literally who

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does.

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I mean, I remember back when we first
started, it was, we had people on all the

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time from like, you know, we had, um,
freak on and we had Marcel and we had

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Taylor and Adam and you know, all those
folks, and now we just get on a chat.

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I mean, maybe we should line up more
guests.

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I don't know.

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Maybe.

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Yeah, so guess what I broke out again
today?

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Actually yesterday.

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State machines, of course.

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X state for the win.

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So there was this, here's, let me tell you
the scenario, okay?

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There was a field and we needed to be able
to have a file number entered in the

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field.

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And then when they pressed enter or tabbed
out, it needed to go fetch three different

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things.

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And as long as all three of them returned
successfully, you needed to put a green

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checkbox in.

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but if it did not, you needed to put a red
error symbol.

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Well, if any of them fail, you can
immediately put the error symbol in, but

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you have to wait until all three of them
succeed to put the green checkbox in,

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right?

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And if you get one success and an error,
you just show up throw error.

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But if you get a success after an error,
you have to make sure it doesn't change

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back to success because it's not success,
it's error, right?

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And then you can't do anything to change
that error state or that success state

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unless you

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change the file number, right?

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So if you had, let's say like one, two,
three, and it errored, well, we're not

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gonna retry one, two, three unless you
change it, because it's invalid, right?

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So it's like, if you change it, if you do
on change, then you need to change it back

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to a ready state so it can go from ready
to loading again, right?

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So this was a complicated issue.

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And like it became apparent because the
developer who was working on it was

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inspecting like five different fields.

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all at the same time to determine what
state he was in.

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And it became obvious to me that it wasn't
going to work.

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It wasn't going to be sustainable when I
was having two icons overlaid on top of

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each other at the same time, right?

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There was like an error icon and a loading
icon and a success icon at the same time.

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It was like, how do you get into that
weird state?

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But it's possible because you have all
these weird...

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Yeah, right.

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Exactly.

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And so Schrodinger's icon.

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Yeah.

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And so anyway, really interesting.

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I should share it.

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But

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state machines to the rescue again.

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Exactly, that's literally what it was.

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And so we had a ready state, a loading
state, a success state and an error state.

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But the thing that was cool about this is
in the success state, you had two

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different, well, you had a event that I
was listening for in the, sorry, in the

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loading state, you had an event that you
could listen for, success, okay, or error.

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So if you had error, you'd immediately
transition to the error state, right?

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But if you had success,

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you wouldn't do anything immediately.

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You would just kind of wait, right?

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So if you had a success state, what you
would do is instead of transitioning to

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another event, you would run an action.

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And the action was increment success
count.

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So when you're on loading state, you could
accept one of two events, error or

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success.

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Error take you immediately to the error
state.

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Success increments the success count.

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But every time you would come to the
loading state, again, every time any event

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that it was listening for would come in,

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there was this thing called always, and it
would evaluate this statement every time.

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And so what it was, is it was an always,
and it was a conditional that said, if

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you've reached a success count of three,
then you should target the success state.

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And so it would just, you would hit it,
you know, I got success on one of them.

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Okay, great, we'll increment the count.

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Success on another one.

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Okay, great, we'll increment the count.

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Success on the third one.

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Okay, great, we'll increment the count.

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Oh, is it three?

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Yes, it is.

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Transition to that other state.

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So that was the magic sort of.

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stuff there.

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And then the nice thing is, you know, if
you transition from the loading state to

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the error state, error state doesn't
listen for success events anymore.

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So it doesn't matter.

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You don't if you got a success event after
an error, it's not going to change it back

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to success because it can't, it's not
listening for that anymore.

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So it was perfect.

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It was just the perfect use case for when
you would need the state machine.

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And it's so beautiful.

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Like no, I got rid of literally eight
variables.

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Like it was just so nice.

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And so yeah, if you're looking

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that real world example as well, like
mindful of the fact that you have this

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talk coming up to kind of like refresh it
a little bit if you wanted, you've got a

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real example to use rather than the
contrived, you know, I mean, the invoice

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is a good one as any, but having, you
know, we're telling the same story, but

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with a different example from a real world
application is, is always nice to have.

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And it's not always possible, obviously.

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when, when you're giving a talk to
translate like something from your work

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into the talk, but having the ability to
do that and having like this tangible

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thing that it's like, I've not just come
up with this contrived example, because

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then you have to think about all of the
situations in which you might apply that

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or use that for the purposes of telling or
giving the talk.

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You've got like, no, these are the things
that I have proven to be true with a real

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concrete example.

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Yep, yep, exactly.

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Like this is a real world thing that I
actually did that I used this for.

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So anyway, yeah, that was really cool.

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And it cleaned it up a lot and it felt
really nice to be like, ah, validate it

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again.

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Like, yes, this is the correct solution
for this location.

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Not always is it, but a lot of times it
is.

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And so that felt good.

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I was trying to see if there's any of the
libraries I could use to do it in a

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smaller form, like in a much smaller way,
but it was just like, nah, I'll just go

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back to Xstate, Xstate for JavaScript
stuff.

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So.

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So that's good.

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So that was sort of a recent thing I've
been working on.

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I mean, other than that, it's basically
been just all out sprints, man.

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We've just been killing it.

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Like, we've got so many things in flight
right now.

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It's kind of crazy.

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I was messaging a guy that's like a senior
and they come to me, Hey, dude, what would

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you think about spending a couple of hours
a week, like a day a week, just reviewing

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pull requests for me?

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Just like I just need another set of eyes
from a senior to just be take a look and

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say, like, oh, no, it doesn't look right.

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Like, or you didn't think about this or
you know what I mean?

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I don't need them to write code.

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I just need them to look at code and just
point out areas where it's like that

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doesn't seem like correct.

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You know, because it's like there's like
six, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve pull

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requests out there at a time.

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And it's like I can get to some of them,
but I can't get to all of them.

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And it's like I don't want everybody
waiting on me.

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So.

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Well, now that, now that we've kind of
combined our backend and front end into a

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single repository, there are like 20 or 30
pull requests on the go at any one time

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and it's like, okay, I only want to look
at the backend one.

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So I forced everyone to, to tag or label
their, their PRs.

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And so I will only look at the backend
ones and, and usually only either if I'm

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like between tasks or someone specifically
asked me to look at something.

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because my code review, like we all review
each other's code, which is good.

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And now that the team has grown, there's,
there's people in at different levels that

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like, you can write the code, you can
review the code, even like the junior

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reviewing up to a senior's code is good as
well, because they can ask, they're going

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to ask questions, they're not just going
to assume that something is correct.

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Or they're going to see things in a
different way.

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They won't understand things necessarily.

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Like if you use a collection of pipeline,
they might ask, what are you doing here?

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Or why did you do it this way?

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Whatever.

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So it's.

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It's good from that perspective to kind of
get the team writing more approachable

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code, I think, rather than just like
benevolent me reviewing everyone's and it

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like takes a lot of time as well, but I
find that when, when I'm in a position to

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review code, the outcomes are very
different to when, you know, other people

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are reviewing code and I'll find things
that others won't see, or I have a

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different level.

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And there's like a lot of it is also the
feel like, you know,

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When, when you're reviewing code, there's
the feel of the code.

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preference.

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Yeah, it's just like, hey, this doesn't
feel right.

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It's like, well, why?

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Where's the where's the rule that tells me
that's not the case?

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It's like, well, there's no rule.

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It's just doesn't feel right.

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rule, but like when you, when you look at
like a constructor and using constructor

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property promotion, like where do you draw
the line between all of those things being

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on one line?

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Well, sorry, not constructed property
promotion is probably not a good example,

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but like a method, where do you draw the
line between having all of the parameters

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on one line and when do you start to split
it up?

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So it's one per line, you know?

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And it's like,

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And I think like our sort of soft rule is
when it gets to like 120 characters, you

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kind of start splitting it up.

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Just, just to kind of make it easier to
read, especially now that we're kind of

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embracing types a bit more and we're using
more complicated method signatures.

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When you've got like, this is an array or
null, you know, that kind of stuff or a

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nullable array, and then you've got like,
this is an object of type, whatever.

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And so these things then start taking up
more room.

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And it's not just a matter of looking at
like dollar variable equals, you know, now

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comma or whatever.

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Now you're looking at like two or three
pieces of information potentially for

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every method argument.

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So splitting them up onto one line, you
know, each of them being on one line, it

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makes it a bit easier to digest as well.

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And sometimes you might look at it and you
go, I'm, you know, passing too many

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variables in here.

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Maybe I've missed something in that.

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You know, it's, you know, that kind of
thing where

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rewriting the code in a, in a different
visual presentation, you know, from one

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line to five lines makes you sort of stop
and think a little bit more about what you

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have actually written and whether or not
it is the most appropriate way of writing

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that piece of code.

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You might find, Oh, we need to actually
set something as a, as an instance

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property on the, on the class and then
reference that rather than passing it

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between methods and so on and so forth.

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So it does help.

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I think to, to reveal some patterns about
your own code and certainly makes it

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easier to approach refactoring in terms of
like, you know, what it ends up looking

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like.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, or things like, how often should you
use a form request?

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If you only have one thing to validate,
should you use a form request to do that?

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Or shouldn't you?

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Do you know what I mean?

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Which one should you use?

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So anyway, some of those things are coding
standard things.

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You literally could probably, you could
enforce those things with Pest's

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architecture plugin and things like that
probably.

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But yeah.

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on form requests?

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Cause I know that you're a fan of them.

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Do you use sparsees Laravel data package
at all?

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I don't.

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We've talked about it before.

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You and I have actually, and we've been
talking about it a little bit inside of

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our other chat as far as like where should
like the line be drawn for when a form

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request is used or if you should say like,
yeah, we only use form requests up until

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this point.

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So we say, you know, once you're out of
the controller, it should no longer be a

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form request.

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It should now be something your domain
owns, it should be a DTO, it should be

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something like that.

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00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:13,351
Yeah.

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We do have places in our code where the
request is literally drilled three layers

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deep, right?

447
00:21:19,045 --> 00:21:22,528
That's not great.

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So I could see using Spasi's package.

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It certainly makes it a lot easier, right?

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But I'm sure there's some, using any tool
for long enough, you'll find the spots in

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which it fails, right?

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Where it's insufficient and you have to do
something else.

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So I can't speak to that, though, because
we don't use it.

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So I know you guys do, though.

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How's it going with it?

456
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Yeah.

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All right.

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So I will pose you then a, it's not a
hypothetical, it's hypothetical for you,

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but it's the reality for me.

460
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We have a form request, right?

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It does, it has all of its rules.

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It does the validation.

463
00:21:55,082 --> 00:22:00,164
We then take that and we pass it into the
Laravel data object.

464
00:22:00,604 --> 00:22:05,446
Now the Laravel data objects have these
magic creation methods.

465
00:22:05,446 --> 00:22:11,888
So you go like person name, colon, colon
from.

466
00:22:11,913 --> 00:22:14,254
And then you pass it the request.

467
00:22:15,175 --> 00:22:26,182
And what it will do is it will look for
either a from request method on the, um,

468
00:22:26,182 --> 00:22:30,605
on, on that DT, that data object and
resolve it using that.

469
00:22:30,745 --> 00:22:35,608
And then you can do all kinds of creative
things like from model or from user model.

470
00:22:35,608 --> 00:22:36,209
So you could

471
00:22:36,209 --> 00:22:40,852
You could specifically do this and then
Lara the package itself uses reflection

472
00:22:40,852 --> 00:22:44,915
and some magic to kind of figure out like
of these magic creation methods.

473
00:22:44,915 --> 00:22:49,378
So they all start with from they're all
public, they're all static, which one best

474
00:22:49,378 --> 00:22:55,301
maps to this thing that I have been passed
and it kind of instantiates the object now

475
00:22:55,382 --> 00:22:58,624
from model, from array, from string, these
are all fine.

476
00:22:58,624 --> 00:23:05,068
What I find, and I want to hear your take
on this is that if it's building the

477
00:23:05,933 --> 00:23:14,776
from, if it's building the data object
from a request, it does its own validation

478
00:23:14,776 --> 00:23:18,098
to make sure that all of the input in the
request.

479
00:23:18,098 --> 00:23:22,579
So the stuff you take from like request,
input request, Jason, or whatever maps to

480
00:23:22,579 --> 00:23:29,602
a property on the data object before it
calls the from request method.

481
00:23:30,123 --> 00:23:30,383
Right.

482
00:23:30,383 --> 00:23:34,833
So in the example of like person data, you
might have

483
00:23:34,833 --> 00:23:41,377
your data object as name, email, phone
number, for simplicity sake.

484
00:23:41,458 --> 00:23:48,963
But in the request, we're capturing first
name, last name, email, phone number.

485
00:23:49,504 --> 00:23:55,589
So because, and because in the specific
instance of a request, what it does is it

486
00:23:55,589 --> 00:24:00,972
passes it through this like pipeline of,
um, stuff.

487
00:24:01,257 --> 00:24:03,858
where it normalizes the request, it does
all this other kind of stuff.

488
00:24:03,858 --> 00:24:10,680
But the thing that has tripped me up is
that we'll also do a level of validation,

489
00:24:10,741 --> 00:24:16,343
that there is a property on your data
object that matches your request.

490
00:24:16,403 --> 00:24:20,145
So keeping in mind that I have a request
that has first name, last name, phone, and

491
00:24:20,145 --> 00:24:26,767
email, and a data object that has name,
phone, and email, in my from request

492
00:24:26,767 --> 00:24:29,677
method, I would then take first name, last
name,

493
00:24:29,677 --> 00:24:33,859
concatenate it into name and then
instantiate the object.

494
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:40,962
But because the request does not match the
DTO exactly, it hits the validation error

495
00:24:41,643 --> 00:24:47,206
in the Laravel data package that says this
field is required, name, name is required,

496
00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:48,767
but it's not set.

497
00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:52,609
So then you've got to like do these
gymnastics around using this other prepare

498
00:24:52,609 --> 00:24:57,172
for pipeline method, which then allows you
to kind of massage the request into a

499
00:24:57,172 --> 00:24:59,052
format that matches.

500
00:24:59,829 --> 00:25:05,255
the DTO, but it just, it kind of muddies
things up a little bit, I think.

501
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:11,321
Um, and so, and so now we've got like two
places doing validation where I would

502
00:25:11,321 --> 00:25:17,488
expect that all of that request validation
happens in the request object and that you

503
00:25:17,488 --> 00:25:21,852
don't try and magic it up for me in the
data object itself.

504
00:25:22,109 --> 00:25:24,870
Yeah, well, because it's also not even
like the rules that you have specified in

505
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:26,551
your form requests, right?

506
00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:27,432
It's different.

507
00:25:27,432 --> 00:25:30,875
It's like the it's magic rules that aren't
even really defined anywhere except for

508
00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:32,996
you know that the package is going to do
it.

509
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:40,113
was it's based on the definition of the,
so you've, so it's based on what's in the

510
00:25:40,113 --> 00:25:40,854
constructor, right?

511
00:25:40,854 --> 00:25:43,075
Public name, public string name.

512
00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:43,416
Yeah.

513
00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:46,618
Public string name, public string phone
number, public string email.

514
00:25:46,618 --> 00:25:47,879
Like those are the three things.

515
00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:50,520
So it would look to see if there is a
request.

516
00:25:51,042 --> 00:25:55,145
I guess the thing that would be nice is if
it did something like if it had like a use

517
00:25:55,145 --> 00:25:59,147
validates before request or something like
that, if there was like a trait or

518
00:25:59,147 --> 00:26:02,369
something that you could turn on or off,
because then that would make a lot of

519
00:26:02,369 --> 00:26:03,209
sense.

520
00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:09,033
But to say like that from request method
is just automatically sort of getting this

521
00:26:09,033 --> 00:26:12,375
decorator around it that's going to do all
the validation stuff like that feels a

522
00:26:12,375 --> 00:26:12,875
little bit weird.

523
00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:15,776
It feels like because now what you have to
do is you almost have to like

524
00:26:15,937 --> 00:26:19,700
create your own static method on that
thing called from our requests, you know

525
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:20,040
what I mean?

526
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,564
And then pass the form request that way
and then handle it by instantiating it

527
00:26:23,564 --> 00:26:24,205
yourself.

528
00:26:24,205 --> 00:26:24,305
yeah.

529
00:26:24,305 --> 00:26:27,906
I mean, the problem is, is that it
specifically checks if the input to the

530
00:26:27,906 --> 00:26:32,068
from method is an instance of request.

531
00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:35,308
And if it is, it will shove it through
this pipeline, right?

532
00:26:35,308 --> 00:26:39,830
So you don't even get access to your own
magic method until it's run through that

533
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:40,990
process.

534
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:44,111
And so, you know, there are two options,
right?

535
00:26:44,111 --> 00:26:49,372
It's either conform your, your request
exactly to the data object.

536
00:26:50,332 --> 00:26:50,912
Or.

537
00:26:51,229 --> 00:26:52,049
actually there's three options.

538
00:26:52,049 --> 00:26:54,449
So the option one is to conform your
request.

539
00:26:55,890 --> 00:27:01,391
The second option is to call from request
directly, which then skips the magic

540
00:27:01,391 --> 00:27:02,412
creation.

541
00:27:02,672 --> 00:27:07,893
And the third one is to use, which is what
we've done, is to use like the without

542
00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:13,735
validation attribute on those properties
to specifically say, don't try and be

543
00:27:13,735 --> 00:27:14,675
smart about this.

544
00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:18,476
I know how I'm gonna massage this in the
from request method.

545
00:27:18,476 --> 00:27:19,616
Like I don't...

546
00:27:19,861 --> 00:27:23,103
And I haven't gone into like the history,
the commit history of the, of the package

547
00:27:23,103 --> 00:27:26,606
or, or to try and figure out like why this
was implemented, like what the thought

548
00:27:26,606 --> 00:27:34,212
process was behind it, but, but for me,
um, it, it feels a bit counter, like it's,

549
00:27:34,212 --> 00:27:36,614
it's not a PHP agnostic package either.

550
00:27:36,614 --> 00:27:38,895
It's specifically for Laravel.

551
00:27:39,276 --> 00:27:42,158
So it's like, I'm giving you a form
request.

552
00:27:42,158 --> 00:27:45,920
You know that it's a form request, which I
have already validated.

553
00:27:46,097 --> 00:27:50,960
I want to use the from request method,
which I will do the mapping from what's in

554
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,143
the request to what's in the DTO, but you
are preventing that from happening.

555
00:27:56,563 --> 00:28:00,465
By, you know, doing this level of
validation.

556
00:28:00,746 --> 00:28:05,449
So I just wanted like a second, third,
fifth set of eyes at this point is to be

557
00:28:05,449 --> 00:28:11,852
like, is this weird, like, should I get
onto Frank and be like, excuse me.

558
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:18,252
because I think what they've done is
they've decided to take the road of saying

559
00:28:18,252 --> 00:28:22,014
that we are going to define the
conventions and now you can you can adhere

560
00:28:22,014 --> 00:28:26,115
to the conventions or you can do the long
way and opt out by yourself.

561
00:28:26,215 --> 00:28:26,576
Right.

562
00:28:26,576 --> 00:28:29,637
And so I think that's probably the route
that they've decided to go and that's very

563
00:28:29,637 --> 00:28:33,418
spousy of them right like now they so they
give you an escape hatch.

564
00:28:33,418 --> 00:28:36,320
But they're basically saying if you want
to use this package, this is the way that

565
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,220
we use it.

566
00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:38,720
And we've decided to just

567
00:28:38,753 --> 00:28:42,616
follow strictly our requests, which maps
straight into our DTOs, which maps

568
00:28:42,616 --> 00:28:44,658
straight into our models, which maps
straight into our, you know what I mean?

569
00:28:44,658 --> 00:28:46,179
Or maybe something like that.

570
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,665
So if it was me doing it, yeah.

571
00:28:53,006 --> 00:28:55,668
I mean, I think, let me think about how I
would do it.

572
00:28:57,385 --> 00:29:02,746
If I was doing it myself, what I might do
is I might call the from request method

573
00:29:02,746 --> 00:29:04,486
directly in my controller.

574
00:29:04,486 --> 00:29:05,127
Yeah.

575
00:29:05,127 --> 00:29:06,967
And then just let my from request method
handle that.

576
00:29:06,967 --> 00:29:11,308
And then using from request would just do,
you know, it's skip the validation stuff.

577
00:29:11,308 --> 00:29:15,289
And I could still use from anywhere else
knowing it's, you know, if I'm using that

578
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:18,010
request method, it's not if I'm using that
request object, it's not going to work.

579
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:18,850
But that's okay.

580
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:20,871
I would just use from request in those
instances.

581
00:29:20,871 --> 00:29:26,569
And I guess document well that that's why
it is that way.

582
00:29:26,569 --> 00:29:28,129
Yeah.

583
00:29:28,129 --> 00:29:34,493
I suppose if you look at it from the
perspective of the Laravel data object

584
00:29:34,493 --> 00:29:41,477
that is created from a form request is
being done with the specific intent to

585
00:29:41,477 --> 00:29:47,880
give a type, to give typed, you know, in,
uh, inferred access to the properties.

586
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:53,663
Then yes, it makes sense that, you know,
this is, this is to replace basically

587
00:29:53,663 --> 00:29:56,724
that, that request object wholesale.

588
00:29:57,361 --> 00:30:03,422
And so whatever you map in the DTO needs
to match exactly what is in their request.

589
00:30:03,422 --> 00:30:06,563
And it's to stop you from passing the
request around and using like request

590
00:30:06,563 --> 00:30:08,804
import all the way through.

591
00:30:08,984 --> 00:30:12,865
Cause you know, we know that that's error
prone that you could have a typo in the

592
00:30:12,865 --> 00:30:18,266
string, you request input, request import,
you know, name, and you forget the E and

593
00:30:18,266 --> 00:30:23,408
it's just nam and then you end up with
null can be trickier to diagnose than to

594
00:30:23,408 --> 00:30:25,909
do request nam on.

595
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:29,811
you know, the typed object, which will
tell you, no, NAM doesn't exist here.

596
00:30:29,811 --> 00:30:34,914
So I guess if that's the intent, it's just
that, you know, you're not always in

597
00:30:34,914 --> 00:30:38,776
control of the data coming into that
request, I suppose, but you're always in

598
00:30:38,776 --> 00:30:40,477
control of the, of the data object.

599
00:30:40,477 --> 00:30:47,781
So maybe, maybe it's a PR that I send to
the documentation to say that like, this

600
00:30:47,781 --> 00:30:49,882
is the specific intent, just to clarify
that.

601
00:30:49,882 --> 00:30:52,003
And like, I'm happy, I'm happy to have the
conversation.

602
00:30:52,003 --> 00:30:54,693
I think with, I think Ruben.

603
00:30:54,693 --> 00:30:58,135
is responsible for the package to say
like, why is it like this?

604
00:30:58,135 --> 00:31:03,019
And if the, if my understanding based on
what we've just said is, is correct, then

605
00:31:03,019 --> 00:31:09,745
can I send a PR to the docs to say like,
this is the intent of using the form

606
00:31:09,745 --> 00:31:13,888
request, using the from request
functionality, and then, and then it's

607
00:31:13,888 --> 00:31:15,909
like clear and then everyone understands.

608
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:18,992
Cause like it tripped me up for ages and I
was trying to find a way around it.

609
00:31:18,992 --> 00:31:23,436
And I was, you know, source diving through
the package and it's, it's created in such

610
00:31:23,436 --> 00:31:24,309
a way that it's.

611
00:31:24,309 --> 00:31:27,573
Like it makes sense, but it's, you know,
you've got to jump through a few classes

612
00:31:27,573 --> 00:31:30,678
to find out where this behavior is
actually happening and then, and going,

613
00:31:30,678 --> 00:31:36,126
oh, okay, I understand why this is
happening now, but I don't understand why

614
00:31:36,126 --> 00:31:37,188
it's happening kind of thing.

615
00:31:37,188 --> 00:31:37,808
So.

616
00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:39,259
Yeah, that makes sense.

617
00:31:39,259 --> 00:31:42,043
I thought when you originally saying it,
you were saying that it would basically

618
00:31:42,043 --> 00:31:44,326
run the validation step again on your form
request.

619
00:31:44,326 --> 00:31:45,727
I was like, that seems odd.

620
00:31:46,008 --> 00:31:48,652
Like, it seems like, I got it.

621
00:31:48,652 --> 00:31:49,312
Yeah.

622
00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:52,035
like, you know, it's using reflection to
find out, you know, what are all the

623
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:52,435
properties?

624
00:31:52,435 --> 00:31:53,215
What are their types?

625
00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:54,615
Does this thing exist?

626
00:31:54,615 --> 00:31:55,576
Is it of the correct type?

627
00:31:55,576 --> 00:31:59,297
And I, and like, because I haven't
actually got it working in the way that I

628
00:31:59,297 --> 00:32:01,477
guess the package intends it to work.

629
00:32:01,477 --> 00:32:05,018
You know, I assume that if you type it as
a string, it's going to use request input.

630
00:32:05,018 --> 00:32:09,159
But if you, if you type it as an integer,
it'll use request integer or request

631
00:32:09,159 --> 00:32:12,060
Boolean to kind of make sure that all of
those types match up for you.

632
00:32:12,905 --> 00:32:14,366
Here's one other option for you.

633
00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:15,246
Are you ready?

634
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:21,312
The other option you could do is you
could, in your form request object, you

635
00:32:21,312 --> 00:32:27,437
could append a full name attribute to the
request in the form request object.

636
00:32:27,478 --> 00:32:32,342
So you could say like after validation,
and then that's going to make sure that

637
00:32:32,342 --> 00:32:33,163
everything's valid.

638
00:32:33,163 --> 00:32:36,626
And then you could say, I think it's, I
don't remember if it's like this request

639
00:32:36,626 --> 00:32:38,773
or this attribute push or something like
that anyway.

640
00:32:38,773 --> 00:32:40,359
you can merge or whatever in there.

641
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:40,769
Yeah.

642
00:32:40,769 --> 00:32:42,169
you can set the value, basically.

643
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:44,290
And so then you could just do it in there.

644
00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:47,211
And then any time you get the form
request, as long as it's valid, it's going

645
00:32:47,211 --> 00:32:48,471
to push that value in there.

646
00:32:48,471 --> 00:32:50,432
And then when you pass it through, it's
just going to set it.

647
00:32:50,432 --> 00:32:51,172
No big deal.

648
00:32:51,172 --> 00:32:53,232
That way you don't have to do any of that
other stuff.

649
00:32:53,232 --> 00:32:54,313
It would just work.

650
00:32:55,013 --> 00:32:56,113
And that would work every time.

651
00:32:56,113 --> 00:33:00,915
I mean, as long as you validated it, I
suppose, but what you're going to do, I

652
00:33:00,915 --> 00:33:03,095
mean, it's going to happen automatically
when you use form requests in the

653
00:33:03,095 --> 00:33:03,515
controller.

654
00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:07,196
So it's just where do you want to put the
logic, you know?

655
00:33:07,196 --> 00:33:07,916
Yeah.

656
00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:11,319
I think now having this conversation,
having said it out loud, I've like talked

657
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,021
myself into believing that it is the
correct approach with the assumption that

658
00:33:15,021 --> 00:33:20,583
like, that is exactly what the intent is
that, you know, that, that the re that the

659
00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:24,865
data object should in fact map the request
one to one.

660
00:33:25,926 --> 00:33:30,227
And so yes, you are defining the things in
two places, but it does mean that you get

661
00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,068
a typed object as you go.

662
00:33:33,109 --> 00:33:35,640
you know, through the application depths.

663
00:33:36,553 --> 00:33:37,254
Yep.

664
00:33:37,881 --> 00:33:38,313
Exactly.

665
00:33:38,313 --> 00:33:41,494
hacked around it for now and we're just
leaving it as at that, but, um, it'll be

666
00:33:41,494 --> 00:33:44,916
something to keep in mind for future
because like none of the other people on

667
00:33:44,916 --> 00:33:47,738
my team that had been working with it had
encountered this problem.

668
00:33:47,738 --> 00:33:52,360
And I'm like, have you not encountered,
like, are you calling the from request

669
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,581
method directly?

670
00:33:53,581 --> 00:33:58,403
Are you or, but I, but if I, I think I
figured in the end that they were in fact,

671
00:33:58,604 --> 00:34:04,887
yeah, doing the mapping of the request,
the form requests one to one with the, the

672
00:34:04,887 --> 00:34:07,528
data object, and that makes sense that
they never hit the issue then.

673
00:34:07,977 --> 00:34:09,698
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

674
00:34:09,698 --> 00:34:13,159
Yeah, and it is really nice just to have
that typed object you can pass around and

675
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,081
new up in tests and all that stuff without
having to have a form request and then

676
00:34:16,081 --> 00:34:16,561
pass it.

677
00:34:16,561 --> 00:34:19,362
Yeah, yeah, really nice.

678
00:34:19,642 --> 00:34:21,323
Well, hey dude, we're at our time.

679
00:34:22,263 --> 00:34:24,204
Yes, yes, indeed, we are at our time.

680
00:34:24,204 --> 00:34:26,085
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Until next time folks, we'll see ya.

687
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Peace.

688
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Bye.