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Mark Butler: Hey, this is Mark
Butler and you are listening

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to a podcast for coaches.

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I opened my inbox last week and I
saw an email from a former client

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asking if I had any availability.

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This is a person I had done a
few sessions with last year,

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uh, along with her husband.

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And when those sessions came to
their conclusion, it was all good

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and we lost track of each other
for actually quite a few months.

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So then she emails me and we have a
quick catch up call  we decided to do

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another round of sessions together.

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Of course.

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I'm thrilled about it.

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She's a great client.

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We had great rapport when we worked
together last time, and , I'm

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happy to support her again.

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Here's why I tell the story.

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I had no idea she was going to reach out.

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There's no funnel.

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There's no structured follow up.

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There's just an email out of
the blue, or at least what looks

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like an email out of the blue.

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We'll come back to that in a little
bit, but this is how my practice works.

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I start the majority of months
with no idea who will hire me.

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Yeah, a good percentage of my
clients do come from renewals, but

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those aren't certain either.

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Make no mistake, my family uses
the money I generate from coaching.

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If more than a month or two go by with no
coaching transactions, we will feel it.

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So I want to talk about
this unpredictability.

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The truth is I think I have a
pretty good handle on my mindset.

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But if you were to track my anxiety in
the part of the month where there have

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been no coaching transactions, you'll
notice it's much higher than in the

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part of the month after a couple of
coaching transactions have happened.

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I.

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I almost hesitate to admit that
because of course I have clients and

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prospects listening to this, but to
pretend otherwise would be dishonest.

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I'm not shocking anyone with
what I'm saying probably.

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And I think that my clients can read in
me that I'm not bringing some of that low

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level anxiety into our interactions where
I'm pressuring anyone to do anything that

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I don't think is in their best interest.

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But it is there.

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It's real for me.

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When I'm having these thoughts and I
wanna get myself back to centered and

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grounded and positive and productive,
one of the things that helps me is

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to acknowledge that although there's
an unpredictability this month as to

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who is going to hire me and when I.

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If I look backwards at my coaching
practice over multiple years,

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it becomes highly predictable.

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In other words, there have probably
only been one or two months in the past

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three years where no one has hired me
for coaching or renewed for coaching.

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The transactions do happen, so my practice
is this predictably unpredictable thing.

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Now?

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Yes.

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The classic line from the investment
world is past performance is no predictor

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of future performance, but unlike
the investment world, as coaches, we

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have great influence over the future.

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If my goal is to have a  steady
stream of coaching transactions.

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You won't be surprised me being
me, that my view on reducing

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unpredictability is this.

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The more relationships I have and the
stronger those relationships are, the

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more predictable my practice becomes.

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I wanna share with you how I think
about different kinds of relationships

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in my coaching practice and how to
nurture them to reduce uncertainty.

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But before I get into that,
I'll just remind you that I view

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coaching as a utility, a hygiene
activity that keeps me healthier and

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happier than I would be without it.

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Here's a real life example from my
own life as a client to a coach.

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Not long ago, my coach Liz, offered
to switch our work to on demand,

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meaning I could just reach out to
her whenever I felt like I wanted to

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talk or whenever I needed a session.

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I appreciate the offer because Liz and
I have built rapport over years now,

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and I think we could probably do fine
just having a session now and then

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I can see the benefits of this idea.

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There's merit to it, and I might even
offer a version of this to my own clients,

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although it would need to be a version
of on-demand coaching that addresses.

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The concerns I have about it

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but I turned Liz's offer down,
meaning I still have regularly

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scheduled calls with her.

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The reason is that I trust
conversation to yield insight.

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I might go into a call with Liz having
no idea what we'll talk about, but I

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trust Liz and I trust conversation.

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I know some of our sessions will be of
the brush and floss hygiene variety.

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There will be renewed clarity, but there
may be no big insights or epiphanies.

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I also trust that in the course
of a year of coaching with Liz, I

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will have one or two big insights,
one or two big epiphanies.

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So I keep my coach on my calendar
because I want the hygiene

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and the renewed clarity, and I
also want the big epiphanies.

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If I switch to an on-demand approach
entirely, I might only connect with

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Liz in moments of acute pain or acute
enthusiasm, and I think that risks both

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the hygiene and the epiphanies that
come with regularly scheduled calls.

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Now, why would I interject
that here as I get into a

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conversation about the kinds of.

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Relationships and how to nurture
them, that will reduce the

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uncertainty in our coaching practices.

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Well, I'm telling you this because
I wanna remind you how confident

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I am in the power and the benefit
of conversation with a coach.

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As I think about the people
I've worked with in the past.

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As I think about reconnecting with them, I
am not reconnecting with them from a place

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of I need to generate some transactions,
and, oh, I need to reduce the

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unpredictability of my coaching practice.

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That's not my energy.

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That's a byproduct of treating the
relationships with the care and respect

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that they deserve, and by tapping into
the confidence that I have, that if

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a person has a conversation with me,
they will be better off afterward.

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They may not know the ways in which
they will be better off afterward.

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I may not know.

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In fact, I have no idea the ways in
which they'll be better off afterward,

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but I have very, very high confidence
that at the end of those interactions,

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they will say something to the
effect of, I'm so glad we talked.

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I feel so much better.

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I didn't realize how much
this was bothering me.

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Et cetera, et cetera.

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That's what coaching does.

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Now, what are these relationships?

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Number one, we have relationships
with former clients, or maybe

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a better way to describe it.

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Scratch that.

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Number one, we have the people who
already trust me in a coaching context.

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People who trust me in a coaching
context include people who have

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worked with me in unpaid sessions,
one-on-one, maybe their connection

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calls, networking calls, discovery
sessions, whatever you wanna call them.

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People who have engaged with me
in paid coaching in the past.

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Or who are engaged with me in paid
coaching now, and people who trust me

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in a coaching context because they've
heard me speak at an event, or they've

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listened to this podcast, or they've
listened to me talk on other podcasts,

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which are not specifically about coaching,
but through those interactions, they've

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built trust with me in a coaching context.

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These, of course, are the people who
are most likely to engage with coaching.

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Today, these are the people that if I
reach back out and connect with them,

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they are the most likely to say we
should do some more sessions together.

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Now, I'm not telling
you that my plan is to.

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Reach back out to these people
and to say, Hey, do you wanna

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do some coaching together?

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Although depending on the rapport
you have with the person, that

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may be the perfect thing to do.

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All I'm pointing out is the more people
I have, the more relationships I have

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of that type, the less volatility
there will be in my practice.

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I know a coach who has a
very, very busy practice.

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I'm hoping and planning to bring
her on the show in the near future.

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She does so many coaching sessions.

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She's a very busy coach.

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And she told me once that at any given
moment she has some number of active

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clients, people who are regularly
meeting with her, and then she has a

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whole other big group of clients who
just sort of come and go as needed.

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They're kind of doing that on demand
thing I was talking about earlier,

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which I think can be a good thing.

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She has this big pool of clients,
some of whom are actively working

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with her today, some of whom are not
working with her today, and some of

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whom are kind of in the in between.

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They pop in for a session now and
then the bigger this group of people

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is, the less volatile my coaching
practice is that client of mine,

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that friend of mine, she's actually
so busy that I don't know if I could

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handle her level of coaching practice.

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I really admire what she's doing.

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So that's one type of relationship.

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People who already trust
me in a coaching context.

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The next type of relationship I want
to talk about is the relationship

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where people like me and trust
me, but not in a coaching context.

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Here's a story.

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Kate and I were at dinner with friends
the other night, great friends of ours.

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Somehow in the course of natural
conversation, I promise I didn't shoehorn

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this in, but somehow in the course of
natural conversation I said something

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about, oh yeah, the, the rest of the time
I'm just meeting with my clients now I.

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The husband in this relationship
isn't as familiar with my work.

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The wife is a little bit
more familiar with my work.

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I could tell the wife had
given the husband a little bit

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of background, but not a lot.

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So this is a person, the husband in
particular, who I know likes me and

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trusts me outside of a coaching context,
but doesn't have any familiarity

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with the work I do as a coach.

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He's a great guy and a very interested
person, and so he asked me questions.

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How did you end up doing what you do?

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He asked me, because he knows
I'm not a therapist, but he knows

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that the closest thing to what I
do would be therapy, and he said.

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I know you aren't a therapist.

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I know you don't have any
credential or any certification.

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How did you end up doing what you do?

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So I told him the story of how I started
out doing budget coaching and budget

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implementation using YA and how there
was a natural evolution that when you're

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talking about money, you end up talking
about the things that touch the money

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and the things that touch the money
are the people and their thoughts and

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their emotions and their relationships.

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And there was a gradual evolution over
the course of about seven or eight years.

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Where I started talking less and less
about money and more and more about

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thoughts, feelings, and relationships.

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And around 2021, there was almost
a clean break where I almost don't

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talk about money anymore and I talk
almost exclusively about thoughts,

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feelings, and relationships.

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That was very interesting to him.

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We got into conversation about our kids.

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We talked about our kids and
our relationships with them.

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We talked about our kids' relationships
with significant others and with

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their friendships, and we had a
really interesting conversation in

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which I was able to sincerely and
totally nont transactionally share

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some things that I've learned from
a couple thousand hours of coaching.

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That I've done with my clients.

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So we had a really interesting
conversation about relationships, about

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our relationships with each other,  with
our spouses, with our kids, our kids',

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relationships with friends, our kids',
relationships with significant others.

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It was a great conversation.

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I got a lot out of it too.

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It wasn't just me sitting there, I
hope, monologuing, but I was able to

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bring my work into the conversation.

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I was able to share things that I've
learned over a couple of thousand hours.

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Working with clients.

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And in the conversation, this
guy did say to me, you know what?

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One of our kids would really
benefit from talking with you.

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Now, will anything come of that?

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I don't know.

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Would I even work with their
child or would I make a referral?

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I don't know.

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Uh, at the very least, all I said
to him jokingly was, well, you know.

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If you wanna  send your kid my
way, I'd be happy to give him , the

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family discount of 100% off.

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And they joked and said, no,
of course we're gonna pay you.

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And , we left it at that.

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That is me establishing  coaching trust in
a relationship where there was friendship,

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trust, and I don't need that relationship
to produce coaching transactions.

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What I need to do as a person who wants
to serve people through coaching is to

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contribute to relationships, and when
the opportunity comes to introduce my

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work as a coach, naturally, as it did
very naturally in that interaction.

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I introduce it and I trust that
as those interactions stack up

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in the weird magic of a coaching
practice, there will be new clients.

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It will be the rarer case that
the new clients come directly

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from those interactions.

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It will be the more common case that
people pop up as if from nowhere and

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say, oh, maybe I'd like to work with
you, or Could we talk about coaching?

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And then I mapped that relationship
backward, and I find out that the

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conversation had over dinner was the
first in a series of dominoes that led

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to a person that I didn't even know yet.

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And coaching.

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So these relationships where
I am liked and trusted outside

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of a coaching context are.

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Almost even in a strategic business
view are almost as important as the

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relationships where people like me and
trust me in a coaching context, because

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once a person likes you and trusts
you outside of a coaching context, if

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they actually trust you, then it's a
short journey from trusting you outside

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of a coaching context to trusting
you inside of a coaching context.

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So the better I am in non coaching
relationships, the more likely I am to

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find myself in coaching relationships.

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And that leads to the
third type of relationship.

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The third type of relationship is.

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One where a person doesn't know
me or trust me at all yet, they're

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a stranger to me at this point.

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If I want to thrive in my coaching
practice in the long run, and apparently

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there's scientific research that says
if I want to thrive as a human being

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in the long run, then some steady
trickle of new people needs to meet

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me and I meet them and we form a
connection, we form a relationship.

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As that happens, there becomes
the opportunity for them to.

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Know me, then like me, then trust me, then
introduce the trust in more of a coaching

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context or a coaching conversation.

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And then some small percentage of those
actually become coaching clients of

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mine or refer coaching clients of mine.

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This is how it works.

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Another client told me a story.

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She was talking  with
her, significant other.

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They were talking about having
opportunities to just talk and to

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be truly heard and paid attention to
and how as adults, that can be a very

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challenging thing to find, and my
client's significant other said to her.

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That's a really tough thing, isn't it?

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How do you solve this?

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And she said, well, it's funny you ask.

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One of the ways I solve it is
I pay a guy to listen to me.

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And he said, what?

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That's seems odd.

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And she said, it is kind of odd, isn't it?

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But it's really great because she tends
to be a person that people talk to.

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She's very trustworthy and
she's a great listener.

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So she ends up doing more of
the listening in her life.

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She has me as her coach , and my
job is to show up on a Zoom call

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and she talks and I ask questions
and I ask follow up questions and

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she shares, and that's her time.

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She loves it and I love it, but
as she shares that story with

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her significant other, she is
in a way introducing me to him.

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Now, will he ever say, by the way,
who's that guy you pay to talk to?

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Probably not.

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All of these things are probably not,
but as they happen often enough, we end

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up with people who like us and trust
us outside of a coaching context, who

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then like us and trust us inside of a
coaching context, who then engage with

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us as their coach for some period of time

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as I give care and attention
in each of these areas.

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By nurturing relationships,

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I reduce the unpredictability in
a very unpredictable business,

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which is a coaching practice.

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So I'll end where I began.

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It is early in the month as I record tHis.

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there have been no coaching
transactions as yet.

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I anticipate that there will be,
but the coaching transactions that

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happen this month will not be random.

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They will not be out of the blue, even
if I occasionally use that language.

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They will be the natural fruit of
relationships that were planted and

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nurtured days, weeks, months, years ago.

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Come back into my life this month and
become a formal coaching relationship.

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That's how it works.

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So, although we can call this business
unpredictable, we have to also

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acknowledge its predictable parts  and
we have to exert our influence and

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our energy in the areas where it
is predictable so that we make the

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unpredictable parts less volatile.

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And with that, I will
talk to you next time.=