WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.080 Colin: Welcome to Build Learn. 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:06.949 My name is Colin. 00:00:07.560 --> 00:00:08.359 CJ: And I'm CJ. 00:00:08.390 --> 00:00:11.759 And today we're going to share some of the tools we use to get things done. 00:00:12.579 --> 00:00:15.269 And this is the first episode we're recording in 2024. 00:00:16.660 --> 00:00:18.100 So we made it 00:00:19.020 --> 00:00:22.240 Colin: Yeah, I figured getting into some tools is like a good way 00:00:22.240 --> 00:00:26.389 to chat about getting things done without worrying about resolutions 00:00:26.389 --> 00:00:28.599 and goals and all that kind of stuff. 00:00:29.140 --> 00:00:29.660 CJ: totally. 00:00:30.560 --> 00:00:30.800 Yeah. 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:35.040 I I can't remember when did we start like our first podcast recording? 00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:38.580 I think it was in the summer after a RailsConf or after a RubyConf, but 00:00:38.580 --> 00:00:40.539 I don't remember what year it was. 00:00:41.199 --> 00:00:46.550 Colin: Yeah, August 2022 I think was like when that trailer went out. 00:00:46.550 --> 00:00:49.951 And so we're kind of going up against what is this? 00:00:49.951 --> 00:00:51.941 This is the 37th episode. 00:00:52.606 --> 00:00:57.236 And a little fun fact, but when, when podcasts kind of die, it's called 00:00:57.236 --> 00:01:01.586 pod fading and most podcasts don't live past their seventh episode. 00:01:02.016 --> 00:01:06.026 So you know, best laid intentions, people try to, try to do the thing. 00:01:06.276 --> 00:01:09.306 I've seen a lot of podcasts that only do like one or two episodes 00:01:09.306 --> 00:01:10.836 and then they're just done. 00:01:10.846 --> 00:01:15.196 So not too bad, 16 months, 37 episodes. 00:01:15.736 --> 00:01:16.456 We're still at it. 00:01:17.121 --> 00:01:22.181 CJ: Yeah, I think one thing that has helped me this time around is having 00:01:22.181 --> 00:01:25.871 you to kind of keep me accountable. 00:01:25.871 --> 00:01:32.341 And like, I feel, I feel some like obligation in a way to show up when 00:01:32.411 --> 00:01:34.781 I know that like, Hey, you're going to be on the other end of the line. 00:01:34.781 --> 00:01:38.441 And so if you know, even on the days where I'm not feeling it, maybe or whatever, 00:01:38.451 --> 00:01:40.011 I'm like, it'll be fun to hang out. 00:01:40.031 --> 00:01:44.171 And so I think that's one key is like having a cohost and then 00:01:44.261 --> 00:01:46.171 another key for consistency. 00:01:46.571 --> 00:01:49.551 Is honestly just putting a recurring event on the calendar. 00:01:49.561 --> 00:01:52.761 Like if there's something there to remind you, like, Hey, there's a 00:01:52.761 --> 00:01:56.391 podcast episode that you're planning on recording and it can move around. 00:01:56.401 --> 00:01:59.661 Like we've probably changed the date and time that we 00:01:59.661 --> 00:02:01.761 record like three or four times 00:02:02.136 --> 00:02:02.536 Colin: Right. 00:02:03.061 --> 00:02:07.151 CJ: it doesn't always work on the day or the time that we plan, but it's, 00:02:07.181 --> 00:02:10.561 it's a calendar event that's there that we have to like move around or 00:02:10.561 --> 00:02:12.151 intentionally decide to delete it. 00:02:12.161 --> 00:02:13.621 And so that seems to be a pretty good 00:02:14.346 --> 00:02:14.816 Colin: Totally. 00:02:15.121 --> 00:02:15.811 CJ: consistency. 00:02:16.766 --> 00:02:19.206 Colin: Yeah, it's tricky because like when we have a bunch of episodes. 00:02:19.536 --> 00:02:23.726 already recorded and in the can, there's a little bit more temptation to be 00:02:23.726 --> 00:02:27.166 like, well, we could skip this week cause we've got a few to fall back on. 00:02:27.166 --> 00:02:29.556 But then you end up using that buffer. 00:02:29.976 --> 00:02:33.866 And sometimes like, you know, if we have trips or someone's sick, you 00:02:33.866 --> 00:02:37.196 know, it's nice to have that buffer for the emergency fund of sorts. 00:02:37.546 --> 00:02:41.866 So it's good to, to rebuild that and just be consistent. 00:02:41.866 --> 00:02:44.896 So the magic of podcast editing, you're going to be hearing this a 00:02:48.021 --> 00:02:50.741 This is the first episode of 2024. 00:02:50.761 --> 00:02:52.081 So let's let's dig into it. 00:02:52.081 --> 00:02:53.901 What, what kinds of things are you working on right now? 00:02:55.166 --> 00:02:56.626 CJ: tons of stuff at Kraftwerk. 00:02:56.906 --> 00:03:00.456 We are building out a bunch more integrations and things. 00:03:00.766 --> 00:03:03.756 But this last weekend I had tons of fun. 00:03:03.756 --> 00:03:08.546 I just sat down on like Sunday afternoon and had like my own little mini hackathon. 00:03:09.656 --> 00:03:12.836 As part of the new year, I think we always sit down and start to like, 00:03:12.836 --> 00:03:14.646 talk about our money and our finances. 00:03:14.646 --> 00:03:18.486 And a lot of it is around like tax planning and like starting 00:03:18.486 --> 00:03:19.616 to get all the docs together. 00:03:19.616 --> 00:03:25.086 And so Nicole and I often will like sit down kind of like reset 00:03:25.156 --> 00:03:27.076 and talk about budgeting again. 00:03:27.076 --> 00:03:30.846 And we learned that there is a button somewhere on YNAB that lets you 00:03:30.846 --> 00:03:34.406 say, like, start from scratch and like, we're going to try this again. 00:03:34.826 --> 00:03:37.856 So we kind of, she went through and reset all of our budgets. 00:03:38.256 --> 00:03:41.916 And now that Mint is shut down, I know we talked about this a couple episodes ago, 00:03:41.916 --> 00:03:46.416 but I was really missing just being able to go and look at, you know, just high 00:03:46.416 --> 00:03:48.206 level, what are the balances looking like? 00:03:48.766 --> 00:03:51.926 And there is a new API that Stripe released called 00:03:52.056 --> 00:03:54.036 Financial Connection Accounts. 00:03:54.561 --> 00:03:58.941 Which is a way that you can pull balances and transactions for 00:03:58.961 --> 00:04:00.761 lots of different institutions. 00:04:00.781 --> 00:04:02.571 And so I was like, Hey, I want to try that out. 00:04:03.911 --> 00:04:08.091 So I built this thing called buckets, which is, I kind of like think 00:04:08.101 --> 00:04:10.861 about managing my money as like just a bunch of buckets of money. 00:04:11.401 --> 00:04:16.891 And It's up and running and I was able to finally able to connect almost all of 00:04:16.891 --> 00:04:18.561 our accounts, which is like pretty sweet. 00:04:18.591 --> 00:04:22.971 And for those that we couldn't connect, I like manually added those. 00:04:23.411 --> 00:04:27.221 So super, super fun, little live tweeted hackathon from 00:04:27.221 --> 00:04:28.761 my couch on Sunday afternoon. 00:04:28.761 --> 00:04:30.351 But yeah, it was a blast. 00:04:30.421 --> 00:04:30.841 So 00:04:31.311 --> 00:04:32.751 Colin: have to go look up those tweets. 00:04:32.801 --> 00:04:36.171 I've definitely missed those, but it's a great name for what it is. 00:04:36.171 --> 00:04:38.971 I think people think of it as like envelopes or buckets 00:04:38.971 --> 00:04:42.341 and you know, everyone treats personal finance is personal. 00:04:42.361 --> 00:04:45.871 So everyone kind of treats it differently and everyone's looking for 00:04:45.871 --> 00:04:47.621 the one size fits all app right now. 00:04:47.621 --> 00:04:51.501 And it's like everyone kind of approaches and thinks about money differently. 00:04:51.501 --> 00:04:53.781 And yeah, that's, that's cool. 00:04:53.791 --> 00:04:54.501 Let's try pass that. 00:04:54.501 --> 00:04:55.591 Now I'll have to check that out. 00:04:55.591 --> 00:04:59.981 I know they were like starting to get into the more treasury type space. 00:05:01.706 --> 00:05:06.286 CJ: Yeah, I think part of it was, well, yeah, there's other, there's like 00:05:06.286 --> 00:05:08.456 other providers that let you do this. 00:05:08.476 --> 00:05:13.156 I think FinCity or Teller and some others and Stripe is just one of them. 00:05:13.746 --> 00:05:16.526 And it's actually quite expensive. 00:05:16.566 --> 00:05:20.376 There's like, for some things it's 10 cents every API call. 00:05:20.446 --> 00:05:22.346 And so I'm like, that's kind of wild. 00:05:22.346 --> 00:05:26.026 Like, I don't think I want to do this or like, I don't think it makes financial 00:05:26.026 --> 00:05:30.506 sense if I'm, if, even if I'm just trying to pull people's balances for. 00:05:30.981 --> 00:05:33.561 You know, a family that might have 20 different accounts 00:05:33.561 --> 00:05:35.731 spread across different things. 00:05:36.451 --> 00:05:40.311 Like, it probably, it would be tough to get them to pay, you 00:05:40.311 --> 00:05:44.451 know, a monthly fee that would equal the cost just for the API. 00:05:44.451 --> 00:05:48.211 So, I don't know, it would be worth it to dig in and figure it out, but, 00:05:49.841 --> 00:05:54.171 yeah, it's been, it's been fun to build and I'm glad to have some North star 00:05:54.171 --> 00:05:56.221 metric that I can pull up now again. 00:05:56.221 --> 00:06:00.511 And yeah, so I guess if people are listening to this later, you 00:06:00.511 --> 00:06:01.521 should be able to go to buckets. 00:06:01.541 --> 00:06:02.331 cjav. 00:06:02.331 --> 00:06:06.141 dev if you want to get on the wait list and I'll reach out to you and try to 00:06:06.221 --> 00:06:07.741 try to show you what it's all about. 00:06:08.211 --> 00:06:10.381 So yeah, that's what we're, what we're working on. 00:06:10.461 --> 00:06:11.051 We're building. 00:06:11.256 --> 00:06:11.896 Colin: Very cool. 00:06:12.926 --> 00:06:16.836 Yeah, you could I don't know if it makes sense to do, like, credits or 00:06:17.236 --> 00:06:20.826 make people put a card on file to pay for those transaction fees, but 00:06:21.516 --> 00:06:22.626 CJ: Yeah, I thought about doing 00:06:22.736 --> 00:06:24.246 Colin: open API credits. 00:06:24.396 --> 00:06:28.676 CJ: exactly like cost plus, like you just pay as much as it costs 00:06:28.696 --> 00:06:30.406 me to make these API calls. 00:06:30.836 --> 00:06:33.136 And then like, yeah, exactly. 00:06:33.426 --> 00:06:33.996 But yeah, 00:06:34.096 --> 00:06:34.716 Colin: the hard part. 00:06:35.136 --> 00:06:36.816 CJ: yeah, I'd love to show it to you too. 00:06:36.816 --> 00:06:39.656 Cause I know that you've got like tons of experience and research 00:06:39.676 --> 00:06:42.096 done and in the finance app world. 00:06:42.096 --> 00:06:42.456 So, 00:06:43.166 --> 00:06:43.686 Colin: Totally. 00:06:44.876 --> 00:06:45.466 CJ: I have to carve out some 00:06:45.496 --> 00:06:46.196 Colin: Very cool. 00:06:47.521 --> 00:06:47.891 CJ: And, 00:06:48.066 --> 00:06:53.886 Colin: so for me, I've been kind of tinkering around with the docs at Discord. 00:06:53.886 --> 00:06:56.216 That's mostly been my, my day to day. 00:06:56.316 --> 00:06:59.496 Got a big project that can't talk about quite yet, but I'll share in a 00:06:59.496 --> 00:07:04.996 few episodes once it's live and, uh, kind of pushed it out into the world. 00:07:05.046 --> 00:07:09.456 So, uh, found like we had this really strange thing, how we like 00:07:09.466 --> 00:07:11.316 generate our sidebar for our docs. 00:07:11.386 --> 00:07:14.686 And if any two pages had the same name. 00:07:15.256 --> 00:07:18.356 the sub menu would like unfold under both of them. 00:07:18.926 --> 00:07:23.416 And so we've avoided just using the same name of any two pages. 00:07:23.426 --> 00:07:27.636 But now I want like, for this new thing, I want an overview. 00:07:27.666 --> 00:07:30.676 And there's an overview under monetization, there's an 00:07:30.856 --> 00:07:32.976 overview under like the game SDK. 00:07:33.376 --> 00:07:38.336 So I finally figured out like how the sidebar gets generated, where I 00:07:38.336 --> 00:07:41.106 can go in there and figure out how to like not have that duplication. 00:07:41.106 --> 00:07:43.746 So we can have like a getting started guide. 00:07:43.966 --> 00:07:47.506 in a completely different area of the product than like the main getting 00:07:47.506 --> 00:07:51.066 started guide or different reference, different overview, things like that. 00:07:51.066 --> 00:07:54.316 So I think I've talked about it a lot, but just kind of been diving down 00:07:54.316 --> 00:07:59.716 that whole docs as code and technical writer rabbit holes of like the 00:07:59.716 --> 00:08:02.576 different philosophies around content. 00:08:03.106 --> 00:08:04.536 And kind of as part of that. 00:08:05.066 --> 00:08:08.536 I've binged listened to almost the whole backlog of the Write the Docs 00:08:08.536 --> 00:08:12.496 podcast which they don't do anymore. 00:08:12.506 --> 00:08:16.686 They have, I don't know for what reason they stopped in 2021 but there's a 00:08:16.686 --> 00:08:17.826 few really good nuggets in there. 00:08:17.826 --> 00:08:19.326 Some of the things I was dealing with. 00:08:19.506 --> 00:08:23.386 Specifically, which was like, how do you handle doing docs across 00:08:23.386 --> 00:08:25.846 multiple repos, multiple projects? 00:08:26.376 --> 00:08:30.856 If you want to like keep the docs close to the source code, or do you put it all the 00:08:30.856 --> 00:08:35.036 docs in one place and it's disconnected from the source, things like that, that 00:08:35.266 --> 00:08:36.996 They didn't have a definitive answer. 00:08:36.996 --> 00:08:40.006 It's like kind of a, one of those, it depends on company 00:08:40.006 --> 00:08:41.556 culture and stuff like that too. 00:08:41.586 --> 00:08:41.956 So 00:08:43.231 --> 00:08:49.501 CJ: Yeah, when you're ready to launch this new secret stealth thing, will 00:08:49.501 --> 00:08:53.291 it be like a beta to start with, or are there people already kind 00:08:53.291 --> 00:08:54.521 of like in the beta right now? 00:08:55.336 --> 00:08:58.276 Colin: yeah, we have some people using the current docs. 00:08:58.276 --> 00:09:00.976 They're kind of like private and then we're making them more 00:09:00.976 --> 00:09:04.766 public docs for something that we'll be able to talk about soon. 00:09:05.281 --> 00:09:05.701 CJ: Got it. 00:09:06.241 --> 00:09:10.241 Is it like a hosted set of docs, like they're going to be, or is 00:09:10.241 --> 00:09:13.101 it kind of like in the GitHub repos, or how does that work? 00:09:13.101 --> 00:09:13.420 Mm 00:09:13.831 --> 00:09:17.421 Colin: That has been like the big struggle of like, do you keep the docs 00:09:17.551 --> 00:09:22.241 again, like with the, the GitHub repo, or do we put it in our like discord. 00:09:22.641 --> 00:09:24.481 com slash developers docs? 00:09:24.901 --> 00:09:27.051 And we do want them to be there. 00:09:27.051 --> 00:09:29.121 So they are going to be in the public docs. 00:09:29.571 --> 00:09:30.811 But it's one of those things. 00:09:30.811 --> 00:09:34.301 It's like, do people, when they find something on GitHub, do they 00:09:34.301 --> 00:09:36.691 expect the docs to be fully there? 00:09:36.691 --> 00:09:37.701 Or is it annoying? 00:09:37.711 --> 00:09:40.231 Like, would it be annoying for you to read the readme and 00:09:40.231 --> 00:09:41.261 then have to go to the docs? 00:09:41.541 --> 00:09:43.041 I don't think it's necessarily annoying. 00:09:43.041 --> 00:09:44.581 It's just, we have to pick one. 00:09:45.041 --> 00:09:46.611 And we have to make sure we support that. 00:09:46.871 --> 00:09:49.831 And so that we don't end up with like broken links and things like that. 00:09:51.186 --> 00:09:52.366 CJ: Yeah, it's interesting. 00:09:52.666 --> 00:09:57.936 I don't know what the product is but the, yeah, depending on 00:09:58.106 --> 00:10:05.106 what is in the repo, like if the repo is a library that's using. 00:10:06.051 --> 00:10:09.261 An API or something, it's kind of tricky because you want to document how the 00:10:09.261 --> 00:10:14.051 library works in their GitHub repo, but you want to document how to use the 00:10:14.051 --> 00:10:17.131 library, maybe somewhere else or something like, yeah, they might be like two 00:10:17.131 --> 00:10:21.411 different things, which, yeah, it's, it's definitely a tricky balance to strike. 00:10:21.411 --> 00:10:23.271 And I've definitely. 00:10:23.571 --> 00:10:28.371 I've seen, you know extremes in both directions recently. 00:10:28.371 --> 00:10:31.441 Like people have like getting started and you just click this link and it 00:10:31.441 --> 00:10:33.801 brings you to some hosted docs page. 00:10:33.801 --> 00:10:36.001 That's nice and beautiful and searchable and whatever. 00:10:36.041 --> 00:10:40.621 And other times it's just like a giant read me with all the steps, you know? 00:10:41.131 --> 00:10:41.711 So 00:10:42.451 --> 00:10:45.321 Colin: It's like a link to a random Apple notes on some 00:10:45.321 --> 00:10:46.671 developers phone or something. 00:10:47.951 --> 00:10:48.421 CJ: Yeah. 00:10:51.131 --> 00:10:51.511 cool. 00:10:51.551 --> 00:10:51.971 Awesome. 00:10:51.981 --> 00:10:52.181 Yeah. 00:10:52.181 --> 00:10:53.231 It sounds like that's coming along. 00:10:53.391 --> 00:10:57.341 I I'm sure it's there's a lot of anticipation and excitement around 00:10:57.341 --> 00:11:01.281 launching too, and probably like maybe a little bit of a little 00:11:01.281 --> 00:11:05.111 bit of anxiety, but I'm, I'm I'm excited to see what you guys launch. 00:11:05.156 --> 00:11:05.496 Colin: Yeah. 00:11:05.876 --> 00:11:06.506 It's going to be fun. 00:11:08.611 --> 00:11:09.061 CJ: Awesome. 00:11:09.641 --> 00:11:10.491 Let's talk about tools. 00:11:10.491 --> 00:11:11.481 Tools are so fun. 00:11:11.521 --> 00:11:16.311 Yeah, it's like the, one of the, I don't know the things we like to nerd about, 00:11:17.026 --> 00:11:17.586 Colin: Totally. 00:11:17.906 --> 00:11:18.126 Yeah. 00:11:18.126 --> 00:11:21.246 I figure, you know, a lot of podcasts do like a year in review. 00:11:21.346 --> 00:11:23.516 This will be more of our tools in review. 00:11:23.536 --> 00:11:26.496 So I broke these down into categories and we can kind of just go back 00:11:26.496 --> 00:11:28.436 and forth and kind of riff on them. 00:11:28.436 --> 00:11:30.926 If there's any other ones that come to mind, we can add those in. 00:11:30.926 --> 00:11:35.196 But yeah, I guess, I mean, it's almost like a, an Emmy award show or something, 00:11:35.196 --> 00:11:39.206 but let's do the first category is what terminal are you using these days? 00:11:39.551 --> 00:11:40.551 CJ: terminal. 00:11:41.361 --> 00:11:45.351 So right now, and probably for the last year and a half or so, I've been 00:11:45.351 --> 00:11:51.191 using warp, which is I think they pitched themselves as an AI enabled. 00:11:51.986 --> 00:11:52.666 Terminal. 00:11:52.756 --> 00:11:55.996 They've got a few interesting features built in where you can use 00:11:55.996 --> 00:12:01.726 like a pound sign and then type out, you know, a request and it'll ship 00:12:01.726 --> 00:12:05.296 it off to GPT and then come back with some command that you can run. 00:12:05.916 --> 00:12:09.386 And I want to say it's written in rust so it's like pretty fast or 00:12:09.386 --> 00:12:13.516 whatever, but it is not as feature rich as some other terminals. 00:12:13.526 --> 00:12:14.566 So yeah, warp. 00:12:14.566 --> 00:12:16.096 How about you? 00:12:16.626 --> 00:12:18.336 What are you rocking for the terminal these days? 00:12:18.666 --> 00:12:22.696 Colin: I am just rocking iTerm2, so a classic. 00:12:22.806 --> 00:12:27.186 I don't really I don't think I use most of the features, I just, very 00:12:27.336 --> 00:12:30.846 bare bones you know, I go in and replace the original terminal and 00:12:30.846 --> 00:12:34.806 the dock and all that stuff every time I have a new computer to set up. 00:12:34.896 --> 00:12:36.156 But yeah, pretty straightforward. 00:12:36.246 --> 00:12:41.246 And then, uh, I guess the next category would be, like, how we customize that. 00:12:41.246 --> 00:12:48.631 So I use Oh, my Z shell for the most part and love to use the Dracula theme, 00:12:48.631 --> 00:12:53.151 which we can, we'll, we'll post links to all of these things, but I use the 00:12:53.151 --> 00:12:56.941 Dracula theme, which I should know who designed this, but there's like a 00:12:56.941 --> 00:12:58.661 whole website for it, which is amazing. 00:12:59.261 --> 00:13:00.211 Just Dracula theme. 00:13:00.391 --> 00:13:00.681 com. 00:13:00.986 --> 00:13:01.236 CJ: Yeah. 00:13:01.256 --> 00:13:06.596 I find that when I'm feeling particularly like like I want to procrastinate, I go 00:13:06.596 --> 00:13:10.976 and mess around with themes like my Vim theme and my terminal theme and whatever. 00:13:11.416 --> 00:13:16.626 So yeah, I'm also using Omai Zeesh with a custom theme that is forked 00:13:16.626 --> 00:13:18.656 from Sarah Drasner's Night Owl. 00:13:19.076 --> 00:13:24.556 And I th Yeah, it was, I think it was like the closest one I could find 00:13:24.566 --> 00:13:27.316 to stripy colors back in the day. 00:13:27.316 --> 00:13:31.876 And so then I just copied it and tried to make it feel on brand. 00:13:32.166 --> 00:13:35.906 And so, yeah, I've kind of just continued to use that as my, my default. 00:13:37.411 --> 00:13:44.151 Colin: Yeah, I'll say like I used my main editor used to be textmate and that the 00:13:44.151 --> 00:13:48.431 themes that were in there when it like first came out have really like literally 00:13:48.431 --> 00:13:52.541 influenced like my future themes since I'm always like trying to find things 00:13:52.541 --> 00:13:56.041 like like what I had in textmate which yeah, kind of brings us to editors. 00:13:56.041 --> 00:13:57.931 What are you using as your main editor? 00:13:58.646 --> 00:14:06.826 CJ: My go to right now is NeoVim, and I have been Actually, like this last 00:14:06.966 --> 00:14:10.596 few weeks, I've been experimenting with some new plugins to try to get things 00:14:10.706 --> 00:14:12.656 working even faster and smoother. 00:14:13.166 --> 00:14:19.346 So FZF, I was using FZF for my fuzzy finder, but I just installed telescope, 00:14:19.436 --> 00:14:24.206 which also uses FZF under the hood, but it gives you like a bunch of like previewing. 00:14:24.366 --> 00:14:29.446 So when you try to open up a new file or like if you're in 00:14:29.446 --> 00:14:31.266 a project and you basically. 00:14:31.711 --> 00:14:35.321 Command P or control P or whatever to fuzzy find a file. 00:14:36.351 --> 00:14:40.131 It'll give you like a type of head thing that you can type into. 00:14:40.131 --> 00:14:44.951 And then when it finds a result, like it'll preview the result 00:14:44.951 --> 00:14:47.281 that you're looking at in a second pane, which is pretty dope. 00:14:48.211 --> 00:14:52.581 And then I use a bunch of T POP things for Vim rails and comments and get 00:14:52.771 --> 00:14:58.771 with Vim fugitive using Vim tests to like run my tests directly from Vim. 00:14:58.821 --> 00:14:59.461 And then. 00:14:59.711 --> 00:15:03.341 Ale for linting co pilot, which is another T POP thing. 00:15:03.611 --> 00:15:08.341 And a couple of weeks ago, I installed this tool called Butterfish, which 00:15:08.341 --> 00:15:09.851 was written by a former Stripe. 00:15:10.111 --> 00:15:16.451 And this is kind of like the brushes that are built into VS code, where you 00:15:16.451 --> 00:15:21.631 can, from directly from Vim, you can say like write a Fibonacci function 00:15:21.631 --> 00:15:25.501 or something, and then it'll put it in line, or you can say like refactor 00:15:25.511 --> 00:15:29.971 or explain this or some really cool tools that are built directly into. 00:15:30.466 --> 00:15:31.656 Directly into your editor. 00:15:31.666 --> 00:15:33.286 So yeah. 00:15:33.396 --> 00:15:34.006 How about you? 00:15:34.116 --> 00:15:35.496 What are you rocking these days? 00:15:36.361 --> 00:15:39.711 Colin: Yeah, I, well before I do that, I think the, I forgot 00:15:39.711 --> 00:15:41.971 about the copilot brushes. 00:15:42.061 --> 00:15:46.391 I don't know why I haven't, they're like in my editor when I'm in there day to day. 00:15:46.391 --> 00:15:51.461 But there's some handy ones in there and I totally forgot about this. 00:15:51.861 --> 00:15:54.001 So yeah, I'm running VS Code. 00:15:54.051 --> 00:15:57.301 It's something that we use at work, but also just kinda. 00:15:58.426 --> 00:16:04.106 I think I had used, I went from like textmate to sublime to eventually Adam 00:16:04.206 --> 00:16:07.186 and now firmly in the VS code land. 00:16:07.686 --> 00:16:10.186 Not, you know, writing, I use it for Markdown. 00:16:10.186 --> 00:16:12.286 I have some good Markdown extensions for that. 00:16:12.831 --> 00:16:16.671 Including one that I'll link that's more of like a grammar spelling one. 00:16:17.211 --> 00:16:21.571 Which has been nice because there's some really cool ones out there for doing like 00:16:21.581 --> 00:16:26.641 very intense styling for like your, you can create a style guide for your company. 00:16:26.661 --> 00:16:28.271 But and that's like veil. 00:16:28.271 --> 00:16:31.341 sh would be one of those, but it was a little too restrictive for us. 00:16:31.341 --> 00:16:37.271 And so now I use I don't actually know how to pronounce it, but it's L A T E X. 00:16:37.916 --> 00:16:38.816 How do you pronounce that? 00:16:39.086 --> 00:16:39.776 Latex. 00:16:39.966 --> 00:16:43.306 I think it's actually pronounced differently, but I've heard 00:16:43.306 --> 00:16:44.236 it pronounced differently. 00:16:44.236 --> 00:16:47.156 That also could be the French folks that I was working with. 00:16:48.686 --> 00:16:52.816 And so yeah, VS code also has the Dracula theme. 00:16:52.816 --> 00:16:56.026 So my terminal and my editor match which is always fun. 00:16:56.541 --> 00:16:57.271 CJ: nice. 00:16:57.331 --> 00:16:57.631 Yeah. 00:16:57.631 --> 00:16:59.651 You got the the matching pants and jacket. 00:17:01.061 --> 00:17:06.011 Yeah, I, uh, I think my, yeah, I can't remember. 00:17:06.011 --> 00:17:08.991 I think my editor is like slightly different than than the terminal, 00:17:09.011 --> 00:17:10.831 but I do like it when it matches. 00:17:10.841 --> 00:17:12.371 So that's cool. 00:17:13.071 --> 00:17:16.011 Do you find yourself using the built in terminal? 00:17:16.021 --> 00:17:17.981 That's like part of VS code when you're. 00:17:18.401 --> 00:17:21.711 Doing terminal stuff or do you like jump back to iterm two? 00:17:21.711 --> 00:17:24.065 Nice 00:17:24.106 --> 00:17:24.716 Colin: both. 00:17:24.776 --> 00:17:29.281 So I'll use the terminal and VS code the way that we build stuff at discord. 00:17:29.281 --> 00:17:30.721 We use something called coder. 00:17:30.851 --> 00:17:33.731 So we have like remote instances that we're building in. 00:17:34.231 --> 00:17:40.511 And so I'm actually remote connected in VS code to that instance and using that. 00:17:40.941 --> 00:17:44.371 And then sometimes I, I think of my terminal as my local machine and 00:17:44.371 --> 00:17:45.991 then the terminal and VS code as. 00:17:46.211 --> 00:17:47.061 The remote machine. 00:17:47.071 --> 00:17:52.321 So some people I think use iTerm to do remote connections into their coder 00:17:52.321 --> 00:17:56.631 instance, and then, you know, now you have to know like which terminal is your remote 00:17:56.631 --> 00:17:58.341 instance and which one's your local one. 00:17:58.831 --> 00:18:02.361 I'm sure there's some cool tricks out there to like change the theme based on 00:18:02.361 --> 00:18:06.181 which one you're connected to and all that kind of stuff, but I like to keep it. 00:18:06.526 --> 00:18:09.026 pretty easy and just use VS Code for the remote stuff. 00:18:13.756 --> 00:18:16.486 CJ: That's a, so that's, I guess that's the editor's category. 00:18:17.256 --> 00:18:21.236 Should we jump over to API tools and clients? 00:18:21.946 --> 00:18:22.536 Colin: Let's do it. 00:18:23.176 --> 00:18:23.676 CJ: All right. 00:18:23.726 --> 00:18:24.636 Next category. 00:18:25.586 --> 00:18:29.476 What are you using these days for like a, yeah, API client. 00:18:30.446 --> 00:18:37.626 Colin: So, I mostly use what's now called just the RapidAPI app. 00:18:37.746 --> 00:18:39.126 It used to be PAW. 00:18:39.556 --> 00:18:42.176 So, I don't know if, I think this is Mac specific. 00:18:42.226 --> 00:18:43.766 They might have had a Windows version. 00:18:44.366 --> 00:18:49.236 But I was always a fan of Paw and they got bought by RapidAPI, so now 00:18:49.236 --> 00:18:54.956 it's the RapidAPI icon in my doc, but Very similar to Postman, very 00:18:54.956 --> 00:18:56.726 similar to Insomnia, things like that 00:18:57.216 --> 00:18:58.146 CJ: never heard of PA. 00:18:58.156 --> 00:18:59.166 I need to check this out. 00:18:59.226 --> 00:18:59.596 Okay. 00:18:59.636 --> 00:18:59.956 Colin: yeah, 00:19:00.676 --> 00:19:01.146 CJ: Awesome. 00:19:02.906 --> 00:19:03.306 Yeah. 00:19:03.316 --> 00:19:09.456 The I've been using Postman late, like most recently, but before I 00:19:09.456 --> 00:19:13.976 used insomnia, uh, and the thing that I, that kind of like sold me on 00:19:13.976 --> 00:19:17.486 Postman is that a lot of API companies will have a Postman collection 00:19:17.486 --> 00:19:18.826 that you can download and install. 00:19:19.256 --> 00:19:25.775 And so, yeah, I just started saving those off and kind of building, building like a. 00:19:26.916 --> 00:19:32.266 A portfolio of different, uh, collection of collections and 00:19:32.266 --> 00:19:33.516 each collection is like a company. 00:19:33.516 --> 00:19:36.316 And then each of those companies has like lots of different API endpoints 00:19:36.326 --> 00:19:39.876 in these directories and syncing that back to my Postman account. 00:19:39.896 --> 00:19:43.106 So that if I open up on a different machine, it's kind of like pre 00:19:43.106 --> 00:19:45.286 saved all my stuff for dev. 00:19:45.396 --> 00:19:50.676 So yeah, I think I'm pretty, pretty solidly sold on Postman these days, but 00:19:50.716 --> 00:19:52.256 we'll definitely need to check out Paw. 00:19:53.456 --> 00:19:57.696 Colin: Yeah, I, there's something about the, how polished Paw is, 00:19:57.706 --> 00:20:02.366 like, I want to use Postman, I, but it's just, it feels a little clumsy. 00:20:02.636 --> 00:20:07.416 To me, or from a design perspective, it's a little bit less so, and I don't 00:20:07.416 --> 00:20:10.846 know, I don't use it that much, but it's nice to have like some collections 00:20:10.856 --> 00:20:13.796 that I can like rerun and so forth, so, 00:20:18.336 --> 00:20:23.126 CJ: Next category, content creation and editing. 00:20:24.146 --> 00:20:27.076 Colin: yeah, so podcasting, video, what, what kinds of things 00:20:27.076 --> 00:20:28.976 are you using for all of that? 00:20:29.606 --> 00:20:35.176 CJ: I, yeah, I've collapsed all of that content creation stuff down into Descript. 00:20:35.416 --> 00:20:40.426 So I'm using Descript for podcasting, using Descript for video, screencasting, 00:20:41.546 --> 00:20:47.086 vertical shorts, TikToks, all the things are now happening in Descript for me. 00:20:47.841 --> 00:20:53.011 Yeah, it, uh, I like that it consolidated and removed all of 00:20:53.021 --> 00:20:54.911 the different import export steps. 00:20:55.451 --> 00:20:56.031 What about you? 00:20:56.061 --> 00:20:59.231 What's yeah, what are you using these days for that content stuff? 00:20:59.231 --> 00:20:59.460 ScreenFlow, 00:21:00.246 --> 00:21:04.816 Colin: Um, I don't really, I think Descript is my go to now. 00:21:04.916 --> 00:21:08.766 I'm not yet got to the point in the screencasting course where I'm like 00:21:08.806 --> 00:21:10.516 doing too much other video stuff. 00:21:10.526 --> 00:21:15.396 Usually my go to is Webflow for, for videos, not Webflow Screenflow. 00:21:16.026 --> 00:21:18.806 Yeah for like kind of screen recording. 00:21:19.226 --> 00:21:23.496 Surprisingly, I do like Loom, but I don't currently have a subscription 00:21:23.496 --> 00:21:25.436 for that in terms of just like. 00:21:25.731 --> 00:21:28.861 Talking to the camera and recording your screen and being able to 00:21:28.871 --> 00:21:32.861 get comments and stuff on it is like in line in the timeline is 00:21:32.881 --> 00:21:35.001 probably the biggest advantage. 00:21:35.541 --> 00:21:39.961 But yeah, I think for the most part, Descript has become the 00:21:40.161 --> 00:21:43.511 kind of a Swiss army knife of, of content creation these days. 00:21:43.881 --> 00:21:44.401 CJ: hmm. 00:21:44.991 --> 00:21:49.771 Yeah, I sent my first Descript quick recording, which is kind 00:21:49.771 --> 00:21:51.741 of like a loom the other day. 00:21:51.771 --> 00:21:56.071 And there weren't comments on it or anything, but there were a couple of 00:21:56.081 --> 00:22:01.711 integrations in loom that I preferred where like loom will tell you, okay, your 00:22:01.711 --> 00:22:06.741 loom has been watched one or three times or something, or you got these comments 00:22:06.741 --> 00:22:10.731 or these reactions on your loom that are features I'm sure Descript will launch. 00:22:11.041 --> 00:22:16.761 Soon if they haven't already, but yeah, it's nice to just collapse 00:22:16.761 --> 00:22:17.781 it all down into one tool. 00:22:18.141 --> 00:22:18.481 So, 00:22:18.721 --> 00:22:19.171 Colin: Totally. 00:22:20.121 --> 00:22:23.631 And less subscriptions for the, the buckets of money that you're, 00:22:24.261 --> 00:22:25.691 CJ: exactly one 00:22:25.801 --> 00:22:27.041 Colin: your budgeting apps. 00:22:28.661 --> 00:22:29.351 CJ: Cool. 00:22:30.221 --> 00:22:33.351 Colin: I think the next category, let's do kind of Mac helper apps. 00:22:33.351 --> 00:22:37.211 So these are like, I'm thinking apps that help you move around 00:22:37.211 --> 00:22:41.591 windows, menu bar apps spotlight replacements, those kinds of things. 00:22:41.591 --> 00:22:42.811 What, what do you use? 00:22:43.621 --> 00:22:46.611 CJ: I have been using Ray cast recently. 00:22:47.321 --> 00:22:50.741 In place of spotlight slash Alfred slash whatever. 00:22:50.881 --> 00:22:52.871 And it's okay. 00:22:53.011 --> 00:22:58.361 I, I feel like I, I don't know, I don't use it as much as I could for sure. 00:22:58.411 --> 00:23:03.081 I feel like I'm, you know, using less than 1 percent of the tools that are in there. 00:23:03.651 --> 00:23:06.211 I'm also using key caster. 00:23:06.311 --> 00:23:06.871 What else? 00:23:08.501 --> 00:23:12.361 Yeah, I, I don't actually use a tool to manage my windows, which probably 00:23:12.361 --> 00:23:16.681 sounds like a serial killer type situation, but no, yeah, I just, I 00:23:16.691 --> 00:23:21.690 don't ever full screen or like I avoid full screening anything and like. 00:23:21.841 --> 00:23:25.121 I just manually adjust the sizes of my windows. 00:23:25.261 --> 00:23:28.871 I would say that most of the time I stretch the windows to be full size, 00:23:28.881 --> 00:23:35.061 but if I'm on a call like we are now, then I will put the camera or like 00:23:35.061 --> 00:23:37.841 the person's face underneath where the camera is and then I'll kind of 00:23:37.841 --> 00:23:39.221 like slide the other windows around. 00:23:39.221 --> 00:23:41.591 But otherwise, Almost all the time. 00:23:41.591 --> 00:23:45.051 I have everything full screen, which I should probably just get some window 00:23:45.051 --> 00:23:46.981 manager that makes that happen for me. 00:23:47.041 --> 00:23:49.961 But yeah, do it the Neanderthal way. 00:23:50.601 --> 00:23:55.051 Colin: you've lived this long without one, you know, it does take some 00:23:55.051 --> 00:23:56.491 learning to, to get used to it. 00:23:56.511 --> 00:23:56.861 So, 00:23:57.331 --> 00:24:00.361 CJ: So what, yeah, like, what are you using to, to manage windows? 00:24:01.201 --> 00:24:05.801 Colin: I think I use, so I use magnet right now and my, like, really the only. 00:24:06.076 --> 00:24:11.766 use I use it for is there's a hot key that will make whatever window I'm 00:24:11.766 --> 00:24:14.206 in be half of my screen on one side. 00:24:14.726 --> 00:24:17.966 And then the other one I can push the other arrow and it'll do half 00:24:17.966 --> 00:24:19.296 the other side of the screen. 00:24:19.666 --> 00:24:25.056 So I'll usually do that with like docs and an editor or terminal and a docks if 00:24:25.056 --> 00:24:28.686 I'm like playing around with some, some other site you know, that kind of thing. 00:24:28.686 --> 00:24:32.316 So it's mostly for half and half sometimes like I've seen some people 00:24:32.316 --> 00:24:36.146 get pretty fancy or it's like bottom left quadrant and top quadrant. 00:24:36.146 --> 00:24:39.626 And when you have more screens, I'd like to only work with one screen. 00:24:39.646 --> 00:24:42.786 So I don't really have to worry about like throwing things to 00:24:42.786 --> 00:24:44.286 multiple screens and stuff like that. 00:24:44.286 --> 00:24:48.456 So I also use Raycast, but I use it literally the same 00:24:48.456 --> 00:24:50.266 way only to launch things. 00:24:50.756 --> 00:24:54.946 I think I found Alfred and Raycast have better index for finding things. 00:24:54.946 --> 00:24:57.456 Like, sometimes in Spotlight, you'll type in the thing you're looking for 00:24:57.456 --> 00:24:59.816 and it just doesn't find it fast. 00:25:00.206 --> 00:25:03.006 Granted, I also haven't really used Spotlight in years, 00:25:03.016 --> 00:25:04.606 so maybe it's been fixed. 00:25:04.616 --> 00:25:07.516 But love, like, how Raycast looks. 00:25:07.536 --> 00:25:09.246 So, that's, that's the one for me. 00:25:09.656 --> 00:25:11.666 I have some little particular ones. 00:25:11.666 --> 00:25:15.256 I have one called Hand Mirror that literally just shows 00:25:15.266 --> 00:25:17.106 me what my camera sees. 00:25:18.331 --> 00:25:22.731 So it's my little like green room pre check like all of that. 00:25:22.741 --> 00:25:25.561 So like when we're on a call right now, I can obviously see it, but you 00:25:25.561 --> 00:25:28.351 can pop it open and switch cameras and just see it without having 00:25:28.351 --> 00:25:29.751 to like broadcast your camera. 00:25:30.251 --> 00:25:34.771 They have a feature where you can pay and monitor your audio, but it's really just 00:25:34.771 --> 00:25:37.256 like, is audio coming through or not. 00:25:37.586 --> 00:25:42.056 What I actually want if anyone out there has heard of this scene, this wants to 00:25:42.056 --> 00:25:47.766 build this, it's on my list of things to build is I want it like a, a DB like 00:25:47.776 --> 00:25:51.196 decibel audio monitor in my menu bar. 00:25:51.606 --> 00:25:54.386 So that I can see like if our levels are just too low. 00:25:54.806 --> 00:25:59.106 I have like a monitor in front of me, like a hardware thing, but it, it goes 00:25:59.126 --> 00:26:03.896 green, yellow, red for like if I'm peaking and things, but it doesn't tell me how. 00:26:04.121 --> 00:26:06.411 you know, how quiet or how, how loud I am. 00:26:06.411 --> 00:26:11.651 So just because different software treats audio a little bit differently. 00:26:12.171 --> 00:26:14.901 Being able to kind of be consistent, obviously we use Descript, so 00:26:14.901 --> 00:26:18.081 it's like studio sound and stuff fixes a lot of that for us. 00:26:18.111 --> 00:26:22.171 But yeah, so that's another one. 00:26:22.541 --> 00:26:22.811 CJ: Yeah. 00:26:22.811 --> 00:26:23.901 Hand mirror sounds cool. 00:26:23.911 --> 00:26:29.061 I usually open up photo booth and like, you know, whatever, check my makeup and 00:26:29.071 --> 00:26:33.701 make sure that I'm looking fresh before going on, but or, and also Descript 00:26:33.741 --> 00:26:37.561 has like They're a little monitor and I think ScreenFlow has a monitor 00:26:37.561 --> 00:26:40.171 too, but hand mirror sounds useful. 00:26:40.721 --> 00:26:44.181 Another one that I forgot to mention that we've got to drop in here is 00:26:44.201 --> 00:26:46.351 Orlando built this tool called Dash Cam. 00:26:47.581 --> 00:26:51.371 That is kind of like a dash cam in your car where it's 00:26:51.391 --> 00:26:52.971 always recording your screen. 00:26:53.386 --> 00:26:56.636 And at any point you can say, you can go back and say like, Oh, I want to 00:26:56.636 --> 00:26:58.286 look at the last two hours of my screen. 00:26:58.286 --> 00:27:01.556 So it's kind of like, you know, if you've got a camera in your car as you're 00:27:01.556 --> 00:27:04.666 driving, you see an accident, but you don't think to like push the record 00:27:04.666 --> 00:27:06.406 button before you, the accident happens. 00:27:06.416 --> 00:27:10.126 So this is like recording kind of like all the time. 00:27:10.196 --> 00:27:12.886 And so kind of, kind of a neat tool. 00:27:13.096 --> 00:27:15.336 So yeah, if you're interested, go check that out. 00:27:15.436 --> 00:27:15.876 Colin: Nice. 00:27:16.656 --> 00:27:20.646 That's kind of like how like the modern consoles are like recording a buffer 00:27:20.646 --> 00:27:25.356 of like the last 30 seconds and so you can have like your achievement 00:27:25.356 --> 00:27:28.616 of like whatever, whatever cool gaming moment you had you can still 00:27:28.616 --> 00:27:32.415 get a video of it without having to know that you wanted to record it. 00:27:32.881 --> 00:27:35.881 CJ: right, cool. 00:27:36.126 --> 00:27:40.566 Colin: magnet, raycast I think one other one would be like, in the same kind of 00:27:40.566 --> 00:27:46.226 category as like screenshotting, so I use CleanShot, which I think they have 00:27:46.226 --> 00:27:52.626 a free version, but the, I pay for it, it's, it's, I think for you, I know 00:27:52.626 --> 00:27:57.926 what you use, it's like the most modern version of Skitch, um, it's very nice, 00:27:57.956 --> 00:28:02.476 because I can record Like capture areas, I can do scrolling capture, I can do 00:28:02.516 --> 00:28:07.136 timers, I can record the screen as a GIF or a video, you can annotate on it. 00:28:07.616 --> 00:28:11.476 And it has a really cool UI for like the screenshots don't end up in my desktop. 00:28:12.146 --> 00:28:15.496 They end up in like floating on my screen so I can just drag them 00:28:15.496 --> 00:28:16.656 into whatever I'm using them. 00:28:16.876 --> 00:28:21.576 Like throw them into Discord or whatever, throw them into a GitHub PR and then 00:28:21.576 --> 00:28:24.836 if I want them to be saved to my computer, I hit save and it'll save it. 00:28:25.246 --> 00:28:29.516 Cause I used to notoriously have like a million screenshots on my desktop 00:28:29.516 --> 00:28:31.426 or in another folder somewhere. 00:28:31.970 --> 00:28:36.580 CJ: I feel seen because that's my life, my desktop. 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.650 No one ever sees my desktop, including me. 00:28:38.670 --> 00:28:42.330 Cause it's just littered with like 5, 000 screenshots. 00:28:42.511 --> 00:28:42.951 Colin: Yeah. 00:28:42.991 --> 00:28:45.371 Well, do you use an app to hide your desktop? 00:28:45.381 --> 00:28:47.761 That's another, that's one I actually do. 00:28:48.090 --> 00:28:51.610 CJ: Any app that is up is hiding my desktop from me. 00:28:53.351 --> 00:28:56.511 Colin: So I use an app called hidden me, which literally shows 00:28:56.511 --> 00:28:58.061 and hides my desktop icons. 00:28:58.071 --> 00:29:03.531 So instead of having to like go clean it up before I do a screencast, I just hide 00:29:03.531 --> 00:29:05.531 all desktop icons and we're good to go. 00:29:05.531 --> 00:29:08.720 Yes. 00:29:09.265 --> 00:29:14.005 CJ: which I've been using since, like, I don't know, 2013 or 14 or something. 00:29:14.055 --> 00:29:17.525 And it's this, like, free thing. 00:29:17.525 --> 00:29:18.675 I think it came out of Evernote. 00:29:18.795 --> 00:29:27.165 And I worked with this guy, John, at MyVR, who is a huge Evernote fan. 00:29:27.625 --> 00:29:30.305 And his, like, entire life was run out of Evernote. 00:29:30.355 --> 00:29:35.305 And he fought, like, he, adhered very, very closely to the get things done, 00:29:36.035 --> 00:29:40.805 like life framework and like used Evernote really, really uh, intensely. 00:29:40.835 --> 00:29:42.575 And so he was a big fan of Skitch. 00:29:42.615 --> 00:29:45.845 And so I picked it up and then just never stopped using it. 00:29:45.845 --> 00:29:49.165 And anytime I need to annotate, I just pop in there and point arrows 00:29:49.165 --> 00:29:50.445 and draw squares and that's it. 00:29:51.045 --> 00:29:52.235 So but I have 00:29:53.191 --> 00:29:55.671 Colin: one of their longest running customers at this point. 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.000 CJ: I've heard great things about clean shot though. 00:30:00.040 --> 00:30:04.210 And every time I tell people that I'm using sketch, they suggest clean shot. 00:30:04.210 --> 00:30:05.680 So I'd need to give it a shot. 00:30:06.611 --> 00:30:09.151 Colin: Hey, I mean, if it, if it's not broken, don't 00:30:09.230 --> 00:30:13.490 CJ: yeah, I love the idea of recording like scrolling stuff or like just 00:30:13.490 --> 00:30:14.820 certain regions of the screen. 00:30:15.250 --> 00:30:18.350 My flow is like, I'll do like command shift three. 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:25.590 Screen grab, command space, open sketch, paste, and then draw an arrow to a thing. 00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:30.280 Command shift V, like, or then I'll like command shift 4 again, re screen 00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:34.960 grab sketch itself, and then paste it into whatever, like, app I'm 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.560 using to like send the screenshot. 00:30:36.930 --> 00:30:40.170 So that I'm never, like, I'm always basically just using the clipboard. 00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:41.540 Like I'm just into 00:30:41.631 --> 00:30:44.001 Colin: you're using the default Apple clipboard. 00:30:44.095 --> 00:30:44.625 CJ: Yes. 00:30:44.645 --> 00:30:45.155 Yes. 00:30:45.205 --> 00:30:46.695 Straight through the Apple clipboard. 00:30:46.695 --> 00:30:47.455 Yeah, exactly. 00:30:48.191 --> 00:30:48.381 Colin: Yeah. 00:30:48.381 --> 00:30:51.641 Clean shot is a little aggressive in that you have to go disable 00:30:51.651 --> 00:30:52.971 the default native screenshotting. 00:30:53.461 --> 00:30:56.841 Like all of the, you can still use the keys, but you're literally 00:30:56.841 --> 00:30:58.121 turning off the Apple screenshotting. 00:30:59.081 --> 00:31:00.971 And this is like takes over. 00:31:01.481 --> 00:31:02.351 So it. 00:31:03.066 --> 00:31:06.776 Yeah, it's just very different, but also it's not free, right? 00:31:06.776 --> 00:31:11.195 So, Skitch, there's pros and cons there, and I think screenshotting a screenshot 00:31:11.196 --> 00:31:15.336 on a Mac doesn't, like, make a copy of a copy worse, like, like a photocopier, 00:31:15.706 --> 00:31:19.196 whereas, like, I don't know what it is about some of the mobile apps, but, 00:31:19.196 --> 00:31:23.336 like, when people screenshot things from Instagram and then re upload it, each 00:31:23.336 --> 00:31:26.826 one gets progressively worse because it's compressed and compressed and compressed. 00:31:28.320 --> 00:31:28.960 CJ: Yeah. 00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:29.610 Yeah. 00:31:30.020 --> 00:31:35.230 The other thing that is super annoying about sketch is that when you go to 00:31:35.230 --> 00:31:38.560 close it, every time it's like, are you sure you want to discard this thing? 00:31:38.570 --> 00:31:41.230 I'm like, I never, ever, ever want to save it. 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:41.770 Like ever. 00:31:41.770 --> 00:31:42.990 Don't ask me this ever again. 00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:44.620 And there's no way to tell it to do that. 00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:48.770 And so every single time I go to close it, I have to like get my mouse and 00:31:48.770 --> 00:31:50.490 go navigate over and click the button. 00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:51.960 That's like, no, I don't care. 00:31:52.120 --> 00:31:52.650 Discard. 00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:53.750 So, 00:31:53.856 --> 00:31:54.266 Colin: Yeah. 00:31:54.446 --> 00:31:57.466 I think we have a list of apps here that we should talk to about 00:31:57.466 --> 00:31:58.816 sponsoring the show in the future 00:31:59.290 --> 00:31:59.750 CJ: oh yes. 00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:01.000 Right. 00:32:01.040 --> 00:32:01.970 And maybe was that, 00:32:02.466 --> 00:32:05.186 Colin: They're like, oh we don't really use Raycast, but 00:32:05.425 --> 00:32:06.249 CJ: Ah, ah, ah, ah, 00:32:06.446 --> 00:32:08.746 Colin: I will figure out what the other 99 percent of the features 00:32:08.786 --> 00:32:10.256 do if you'd like to sponsor 00:32:10.505 --> 00:32:10.975 CJ: Right. 00:32:11.015 --> 00:32:11.605 Yeah. 00:32:11.815 --> 00:32:12.185 Yeah. 00:32:14.081 --> 00:32:14.691 Colin: All right. 00:32:14.691 --> 00:32:19.231 So the next Emmy awarding category, we have notes apps. 00:32:19.251 --> 00:32:21.401 What are you using for notes these days? 00:32:21.401 --> 00:32:23.081 Work notes, personal notes. 00:32:23.175 --> 00:32:23.545 CJ: Yep. 00:32:23.755 --> 00:32:29.525 I, I have been using notion more and more and more, and now I'm, I'm pretty 00:32:29.535 --> 00:32:31.945 firmly into notion for a lot of stuff. 00:32:32.915 --> 00:32:35.895 I would say, yeah, 99 percent is now in notion. 00:32:35.905 --> 00:32:36.985 We use notion at work. 00:32:37.035 --> 00:32:40.535 And so I have kind of like personal profile and work profile that 00:32:40.535 --> 00:32:42.325 I'm jumping between all day long. 00:32:42.325 --> 00:32:42.650 And Yeah. 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.450 That's where we write we like write a bunch of meeting notes in there. 00:32:47.890 --> 00:32:49.600 We run projects. 00:32:50.355 --> 00:32:52.355 Through there, we run this podcast through there. 00:32:52.385 --> 00:32:57.795 I have a, like an ideas board that I've got running in their personal journaling. 00:32:58.155 --> 00:32:59.985 Yeah, like basically everything's a notion. 00:33:01.375 --> 00:33:05.445 Yeah, I have never been like a huge fan of Apple notes and. 00:33:06.700 --> 00:33:12.830 I've been kind of a obsidian curious or, you know, one of those other like note 00:33:12.860 --> 00:33:18.040 taking, like intentionally dedicated apps that are like just for note taking, 00:33:18.050 --> 00:33:21.520 but I've never, yeah, never spent time to like invest in one of those. 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.370 I guess they're called like knowledge. 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:24.860 What is it? 00:33:24.870 --> 00:33:25.130 Like 00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:25.470 Colin: Yeah. 00:33:25.470 --> 00:33:27.140 Like second brain or knowledge 00:33:27.300 --> 00:33:27.630 CJ: Yeah, yeah, 00:33:27.870 --> 00:33:28.530 Colin: type apps. 00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:29.110 CJ: Right. 00:33:30.060 --> 00:33:30.630 What about you? 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.550 Note, note taking stuff. 00:33:33.340 --> 00:33:33.630 Colin: Yeah. 00:33:33.630 --> 00:33:35.120 So I use too many. 00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:39.850 I think this is another one of those like attention deficit things, but a notion 00:33:39.850 --> 00:33:41.840 for work and podcast notes like yourself. 00:33:42.210 --> 00:33:46.260 I do use obsidian for like longer form notes. 00:33:46.260 --> 00:33:51.450 Like it's where I put my idea app ideas when I like want to flush out an app 00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:54.450 idea and sometimes I'll just leave it there and then might come back to it. 00:33:56.070 --> 00:33:57.395 CJ: Mm hmm. 00:33:57.490 --> 00:34:00.860 Colin: and then I have a strange thing where like I mentioned text me earlier, 00:34:01.220 --> 00:34:03.620 I still put text me on all my computers. 00:34:03.670 --> 00:34:06.610 It is not worked on to my knowledge anymore. 00:34:06.950 --> 00:34:10.420 But what's really cool about it compared to almost anything else out there. 00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:15.250 It's like when you open text me, you can open as many windows as you want. 00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:16.580 And they're super fast. 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.000 So like I use it as like a scratch pad for like, I even like use markdown bullet 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.910 lists, like format in text mate just to like make myself focus a little bit. 00:34:27.350 --> 00:34:31.040 Or like leave myself a note that I leave on my screen when I close my computer 00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:32.900 for the day and it's just in text mate. 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.730 And so when I work through those, I will close them. 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.950 I'm basically using that as like a to do list, which is kind of 00:34:38.950 --> 00:34:41.160 strange because it's not that. 00:34:41.180 --> 00:34:42.370 But it works for me. 00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:45.780 I usually end up with a whole bunch of text made notes saved to my 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:47.410 desktop, just like my screenshots. 00:34:48.260 --> 00:34:51.590 And then finally I do, I've started using Apple Notes. 00:34:51.630 --> 00:34:53.060 It's actually really good. 00:34:53.575 --> 00:34:56.645 if you want to share notes with someone without the 00:34:56.645 --> 00:34:58.005 heaviness of Notion and things. 00:34:58.005 --> 00:35:03.505 So like, collaborative grocery lists or like, I remember like for Chanel 00:35:03.505 --> 00:35:06.695 we had like a surprise party and it was like, I was like, just add 00:35:06.905 --> 00:35:09.975 a list of all of the friends that you would want to hang out with. 00:35:10.035 --> 00:35:13.505 And I was like, trying to be vague add them to this list and then like, 00:35:13.505 --> 00:35:16.035 who is this person and how do I get in touch with them and things like that. 00:35:16.035 --> 00:35:18.855 So it's really nice because You can add to it. 00:35:18.855 --> 00:35:20.655 We've done it for trips with friends too. 00:35:20.655 --> 00:35:22.695 Like this is the itinerary. 00:35:23.085 --> 00:35:26.895 When I was over overseas, I was kind of like updating my itinerary, 00:35:26.895 --> 00:35:30.635 like this is like, I made it, I got on the plane, things like that. 00:35:30.635 --> 00:35:34.205 So Chanel could actually see as like, my trip was progressing, like, kind 00:35:34.205 --> 00:35:38.495 of, kind of like a safety check-in, but also just like knowing where I 00:35:38.495 --> 00:35:42.095 was without doing like a creepy find my friends or something like that. 00:35:42.095 --> 00:35:42.455 So, 00:35:45.080 --> 00:35:48.380 CJ: That is, yeah, I could definitely see the value in, in 00:35:48.380 --> 00:35:50.770 sharing or collaborating that way. 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:56.490 We use any list and we have like a shared grocery list on there and 00:35:56.490 --> 00:35:58.110 that has worked really well for us. 00:35:58.410 --> 00:36:00.420 But yeah, my brother. 00:36:01.065 --> 00:36:05.455 Was doing standup for a little while and he would write all his jokes 00:36:05.485 --> 00:36:07.495 in his Apple notes on his phone. 00:36:08.025 --> 00:36:13.385 And he had been writing jokes for like years in these Apple notes and 00:36:13.385 --> 00:36:15.595 something happened and he lost it all. 00:36:16.085 --> 00:36:20.335 And so, yeah, since then I've been like a little bit scared to, to use 00:36:20.335 --> 00:36:21.825 it or like depend on it too much. 00:36:22.125 --> 00:36:25.785 But I thought it totally like synced to your iCloud and everything, but. 00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.210 Colin: I think it does, but there's like the magic there that I don't 00:36:29.210 --> 00:36:31.110 know that you could go find the file. 00:36:31.150 --> 00:36:32.500 Like, I don't know how that works. 00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:38.330 Like, it's in iCloud somewhere, but I'm sure it syncs to your, your, like, mobile 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.150 backups and stuff too if you do that. 00:36:40.435 --> 00:36:40.615 CJ: Mm hmm. 00:36:40.665 --> 00:36:40.945 Mm 00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:44.590 Colin: I think, I feel like Apple Notes kind of did what Evernote was trying to 00:36:44.590 --> 00:36:46.890 do, but the tech was not quite there yet. 00:36:46.950 --> 00:36:52.170 When, I mean, Evernote was like a darling of the Notes space for so long and it's 00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:54.610 just like launching it took Too long. 00:36:55.140 --> 00:36:57.120 If you want to put something into a note, took too long. 00:36:57.130 --> 00:37:00.600 I used to use it as, like, screenshots, images, text, 00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:01.810 everything went into Evernote. 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.270 And I think my account's still alive. 00:37:04.270 --> 00:37:05.170 I'd have to check that out. 00:37:05.290 --> 00:37:07.960 But, yeah, that's notes. 00:37:09.710 --> 00:37:14.080 I think we kind of round to the final two core categories that I think everybody 00:37:14.080 --> 00:37:15.920 has, which is calendar and email. 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.350 And this is kind of timely because Things like hey email and hey calendar 00:37:20.965 --> 00:37:21.465 CJ: Mm hmm. 00:37:21.600 --> 00:37:24.220 Colin: Being pretty popular these days from 37signals. 00:37:24.630 --> 00:37:26.550 What are you using for calendar? 00:37:26.550 --> 00:37:28.220 And what are you using for email these days? 00:37:29.175 --> 00:37:33.725 CJ: I use default just like the browser versions of Google 00:37:33.725 --> 00:37:36.075 calendar and Gmail for everything. 00:37:37.315 --> 00:37:39.065 Pretty boring, but it works. 00:37:39.495 --> 00:37:43.545 I would say like the one interesting thing, maybe if people haven't done 00:37:43.545 --> 00:37:48.675 this already, as you can turn on hotkeys or like keyboard shortcuts in your 00:37:48.685 --> 00:37:53.245 Gmail, there's like a setting and then you can, you can navigate around like 00:37:53.295 --> 00:37:56.005 crazy fast with just like with keys. 00:37:56.005 --> 00:38:00.680 And so One of like, I would say like one of my productivity hacks is like go 00:38:00.680 --> 00:38:06.970 into Gmail and then use like J and K to move up and down through the list and 00:38:06.970 --> 00:38:12.020 then X to like mark them as read or not read or like, I'm going to delete these. 00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:13.820 And then you can use E to archive it. 00:38:14.100 --> 00:38:17.250 And so you can just kind of, I don't know, work through pretty quickly. 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:18.610 Yeah, exactly. 00:38:18.850 --> 00:38:19.410 Colin: for email. 00:38:19.950 --> 00:38:20.290 CJ: Right. 00:38:20.310 --> 00:38:20.710 Yeah. 00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:24.600 And then yeah, Google calendar, just Google calendar itself works pretty well. 00:38:25.330 --> 00:38:25.860 How about you? 00:38:26.570 --> 00:38:26.940 Colin: Nice. 00:38:26.980 --> 00:38:30.660 Are you using like Chrome personas to be able to switch between those? 00:38:31.290 --> 00:38:31.780 CJ: Yes. 00:38:31.830 --> 00:38:32.180 Yeah. 00:38:32.180 --> 00:38:34.270 So I, okay. 00:38:34.270 --> 00:38:38.710 So yeah, so I have my personal Gmail calendar, which is like my life stuff. 00:38:38.810 --> 00:38:44.230 And on there I'll share things like, Oh, my son has swimming lessons today or 00:38:44.670 --> 00:38:48.680 we've got to I don't know, pay this bill or we're going to a wedding or whatever. 00:38:48.680 --> 00:38:53.260 And then I'll share my personal calendar with my work calendar and vice versa. 00:38:53.310 --> 00:38:59.030 So that if I, yeah, if I'm like looking at my work calendar in my 00:38:59.050 --> 00:39:02.680 work persona, then it'll just see like, Oh, you're busy on your personal 00:39:02.680 --> 00:39:04.020 calendar for a certain amount of time. 00:39:04.020 --> 00:39:08.110 And I'll know like, okay, that's because the kids have, you know, 00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:09.290 soccer that day or something. 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:10.460 But. 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.800 Yeah, just kind of switching between those two different personas. 00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:18.540 Yeah, before you get to yours, did you see that Notion released a calendar too? 00:39:18.700 --> 00:39:19.840 I think it was like this week. 00:39:20.685 --> 00:39:25.555 Colin: Yeah, is that a calendar block or is it a calendar feature 00:39:25.555 --> 00:39:29.435 in Notion cuz I'm in your Notion right now So I can't really tell 00:39:30.490 --> 00:39:32.770 CJ: I think it's like a completely separate, 00:39:35.015 --> 00:39:38.415 Colin: cuz calendar view has been a thing for a while. 00:39:39.160 --> 00:39:42.000 CJ: yeah, no, it is like a, a whole new thing. 00:39:42.610 --> 00:39:49.610 Yeah, so Jay Z, um, this guy worked at that Stripe now, is now at Notion, and 00:39:49.640 --> 00:39:53.070 I know worked on this, like launching this new calendar thing, which is. 00:39:54.075 --> 00:39:58.615 Colin: very cool so now Notion's trying to become the Everything app which I 00:39:58.615 --> 00:40:03.225 mean for a lot of Notion stuff like I think calendar will make sense for people 00:40:06.045 --> 00:40:08.045 CJ: The, yeah, the productivity in Notion is great. 00:40:08.085 --> 00:40:10.215 I'm excited to see where they take that. 00:40:10.335 --> 00:40:10.695 So, 00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:11.850 Colin: Yeah. 00:40:12.410 --> 00:40:17.790 So for me, I also use the standard Gmail and Google calendar 00:40:18.260 --> 00:40:20.640 for the most part on desktop. 00:40:20.710 --> 00:40:22.870 I also use fantastic cow. 00:40:23.370 --> 00:40:27.380 So what's kind of cool about that is I have all my Google accounts 00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:31.310 logged into and you can create a profile so I can switch between Reno 00:40:31.310 --> 00:40:36.310 collective discord personal, or I want to see all of my calendars overlaid, 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.285 which is like, you know, Insanity. 00:40:38.965 --> 00:40:39.155 CJ: yeah, 00:40:40.105 --> 00:40:41.955 Colin: and what's, it's fast. 00:40:42.005 --> 00:40:44.945 I mean, I think my discord one's my default one when I like create 00:40:44.995 --> 00:40:46.205 events and things like that. 00:40:46.695 --> 00:40:49.415 And I mean, I get away with probably doing the exact same thing 00:40:49.415 --> 00:40:51.475 and Google persona profiles too. 00:40:51.475 --> 00:40:57.805 But I, I am a sucker for very well designed Mac apps and fantastic. 00:40:57.805 --> 00:40:58.485 How is that? 00:40:58.895 --> 00:41:00.265 That's why I use pod. 00:41:00.275 --> 00:41:02.255 That's why I like things like clean shot. 00:41:02.725 --> 00:41:03.905 And then Gmail. 00:41:04.365 --> 00:41:05.645 I use main gmail. 00:41:05.685 --> 00:41:10.295 I have a pretty crazy customization to gmail that I don't think will translate 00:41:10.295 --> 00:41:13.965 to audio But maybe i'll i'll try to find a link to where I found it like 00:41:14.525 --> 00:41:20.785 over a decade ago But my email has like a main feed and then like an urgent 00:41:21.250 --> 00:41:25.910 Delegated, scheduled, like side feed so I can move emails into these little 00:41:25.910 --> 00:41:31.340 buckets just with like, with icons so I'll maybe we'll put a screenshot 00:41:31.340 --> 00:41:32.690 in the show notes for the first time. 00:41:32.690 --> 00:41:33.880 I think I think we can do that. 00:41:34.350 --> 00:41:36.750 I don't know if show notes support images, but we'll find out. 00:41:37.770 --> 00:41:38.710 Yeah, so I use that. 00:41:38.710 --> 00:41:42.860 And then on my phone, I'm using like the default mail app for all of my 00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:44.590 personal and Reno collective email. 00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:46.120 And then I use the Gmail. 00:41:47.240 --> 00:41:52.210 For work so that if I get it and I only have notifications on my work email cause 00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:54.310 we use discord for almost everything. 00:41:54.310 --> 00:41:58.070 So I, if I get an email, it's like probably something I need to read. 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.820 But we don't get, we had like a few emails a day at most. 00:42:01.820 --> 00:42:06.720 And usually that's more like DevRel inbound stuff than specific stuff. 00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:07.100 So 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:08.880 CJ: Got it. 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:11.710 Yeah, I do the same on on mobile for sure. 00:42:12.530 --> 00:42:15.390 Yeah, I love that you can switch between the different Gmail 00:42:15.410 --> 00:42:17.360 profiles pretty smoothly too. 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.440 Like that, that just, it works so cleanly. 00:42:19.650 --> 00:42:19.990 So 00:42:20.100 --> 00:42:20.380 Colin: Yeah. 00:42:21.150 --> 00:42:22.650 Separation of concerns. 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.330 CJ: yes, exactly. 00:42:24.660 --> 00:42:25.310 Exactly. 00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:26.600 Colin: Very cool. 00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:30.020 I think that's our winners for our personal app awards for the 00:42:30.190 --> 00:42:30.630 CJ: Yes. 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.550 Colin: The things that we use, the things that command our time and attention, 00:42:33.560 --> 00:42:34.940 that's the real winners right there. 00:42:35.315 --> 00:42:35.955 CJ: Exactly. 00:42:36.125 --> 00:42:36.495 Yep. 00:42:36.650 --> 00:42:39.910 Colin: Yeah, if you love the show and want to share what apps 00:42:39.910 --> 00:42:41.940 you use, you can tweet at us. 00:42:41.990 --> 00:42:46.290 We don't talk a lot about our Twitter and our You know, giving reviews for the show. 00:42:46.290 --> 00:42:49.720 But if you want to help other people find the show, you can review us on 00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:53.590 Spotify, Apple podcasts, whatever podcasting app you're using. 00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:56.600 We're going to start getting back into tweeting and doing some 00:42:56.600 --> 00:43:00.840 audiograms and just trying to pull the community together a little bit. 00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:04.170 There are, there are dozens of us, CJ, dozens of us. 00:43:06.235 --> 00:43:06.705 CJ: Nice. 00:43:07.365 --> 00:43:07.665 All right. 00:43:07.675 --> 00:43:08.825 That's all for this episode. 00:43:09.085 --> 00:43:10.715 You can head over to buildandlearn. 00:43:10.715 --> 00:43:13.985 dev to check out the show notes and the links and all the resources 00:43:14.515 --> 00:43:15.915 and yeah, we'll see you next time. 00:43:17.430 --> 00:43:18.110 Colin: Bye friends.