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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Hey, everybody, welcome back

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to the Bible Guys. And if
you listened yesterday, we was a cliffhanger.

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We made a decision. I wonder
what's gonna happen. We're gonna read

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what story? What? What?
What? What? They're gonna have to

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listen later, stay with us after
this segment. Oh this is good.

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I know. Yes, it's a
mystery. Yes, So before we dive

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into that, Yes, I'm going
to read off several movie quotes. Yes,

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this is and we're going to see
how fast Chris can name the movie

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it's from. This is the movie
quote Race. I was just telling you

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in the last movie quote Race,
we had a couple of fans who beat

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you. Yes, well you're you're
assuming, Well they're they're messages on YouTube.

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So you'd have to call your listeners
liars. Oh really yeah, okay

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liars because because you had a couple
of them. I remember last time where

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you were slow to answer and we
had a couple of people who got the

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one you missed and they were ahead
of you. Yeah. Oh wow,

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okay, so all right. Well, hey, by the way, I

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always feel pressure on these, but
uh, not as much pressure as missing

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Bible. Yes, I know that
one's way worse, way worse, or

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when it's like is this a Justin
Bieber song or a Bible verse? Right?

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Like, come on, yeah,
I get off easy because of my

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extensive knowledge of movies. Yes,
and I get off easy on the Bible

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stuff for the same reason I my
extensive Bible knowledge. We just established that

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you didn't get off easy because you
have more pressure. Come on, Jack,

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but I got the answer to stick
with the illustration the joke. Yeah,

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more pressure for you? Is I
think you were imagining extraordinary? No,

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I'm joking. It is hard.
Okay, here we go, ready,

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So, Desiree says, and I
need you to weigh in on this

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one, Chris, Yes, Desiree
says. The listeners will get one thousand

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points for every quote they beat you
on. Okay, let me here's my

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way in. That's what I suggested, and you scoffed at me. Well,

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a thousand points seems really lame.
Yeah, okay, all right,

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well we're gonna make it fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred. I was gonna say,

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how about fifty thousand points? Wow, fifty thousand points not as much

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as your game on Monday. Well, my game was Bible verses. This

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is just movies. Okay, yeah, okay, fifty thousands sound good.

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Okay, so if they beat you, they get fifty thousand points. Okay,

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Okay, here we go, per
question. Here we go number one.

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Yes, do these smiles seem fake? It doesn't matter where they come

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from? Great showing. Okay,
the joy is real. The joy is

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real. He's talking to the critic
right outside, right outside. So in

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the middle of that one, there's
potentially somebody could have gotten one. What

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are you talking about? I said
it so fast in the middle, I

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said, do these smiles seem fake? It doesn't matter where, And that's

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when you said it. So somebody
got the answered before twice. Okay,

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yeah, I got all way through. Does the do these smiles seem fake?

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Where you say? Greatest Showman?
Come on man? Did okay?

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Snakes? Why did they have to
be now? Temple Raiss that's the correct

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answer. I can't believe I tried
to say Temple of do almostaid. Yeah.

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Indiana Jones, Okay, life finds
a way. Jurassic park. Good

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one. See you left the room
the door open just a little bit.

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Uh, go ahead, make my
day. It's an impact. Okay,

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that was easy, so as life
as finds a way, so those are

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easy after all. Tomorrow was another
day. Oh, tomorrow is another day.

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One of the most famous movies in
the history of cinema, Shawshank Redemption.

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Well, let's go for history.
Historically one of the greatest movies ever,

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according to the Oscar lists of greatest
movies ever, Gone with the Wind.

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There you go, it is Gone
with the Wind. Take a minute.

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Hey, you know somebody just got
fifty thousand points out of that one.

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Yeah, probably the third of our
listeners. Here we go. Well,

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by the way, I didn't like
Gone with the Wind, and I

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honestly only saw it once and I
was glad to be done with it,

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and I really didn't love it.
And I certainly don't remember that line.

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Okay, Well, there you go, my precious Lord of the Rings.

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But there's three Lord of the Rings. I don't even know the titles.

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Okay, I don't know that I
can give you that. Well wait a

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minute, Well, if you're gonna
those are those are three seconds Lord of

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the Rings. The Journey of the
Ring. What is it? Okay,

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so we're just going to say the
Two Towers? That was it? Yep,

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the two Towers, Yep, two
towers. And then number seven there's

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a snake in my boot toy story. Yeah, so we get through the

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cartoons were around that. So two
movies you didn't care for were the two

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that you missed? Correct, Right, so you didn't care for Gone with

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the Wind and then right, well
not a big out of all fairness I

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did get Then you knew that it
was The Lord of the Rings. Yes,

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I got that very quickly. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll get it

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and go them. I like that, right, We're going to give you

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twenty five thousand points. Oh thanks, Jeff, okay, appreciate. Well,

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I think there's a very high likelihood
that we have somebody out there that

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has one hundred and fifty thousand points
on you. You think, so,

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yeah, yeah, we could have
somebody three hundred fifty thousand points ahead of

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you. Well, every one of
them had a little bit of a pause.

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Okay, fine, but so but
you know, people probably beat you

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on Monday and your bobble Verstu.
I bet they didn't. We'll find out.

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We will find out. Okay.
Okay, So we had a big

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decision to make yes, and now
we're going to get in trouble with Desiree

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because we have called the Audible and
we're telling the story of Sodom and goodmorrow.

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Okay, there you go. So
we were supposed to jump after these

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angels visit Abraham and Sarah. We
were supposed to jump onto Isaac's birth,

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Yes, which is really the more
important story. But this is really significant,

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and so we thought, hey,
well we'll take a moment, yes,

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and not today, We'll do this
one. So I'm not going to

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read the whole thing. You can
find all of this story in Genesis chapter

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eighteen and in Genesis chapter nineteen.
I'm just not going to read all,

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you know, fifty verses or whatever
it is. Okay, So we'll start

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it and then we'll summarize the end. Here's what it says. Then,

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remember Abraham and Sarah feed these three
guys, right, and they say,

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you're going to have a baby.
Is anything too hard for the Lord?

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Then the Bible says in verse sixteen
of chapter eighteen of Genesis, Then the

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men got up from their meal and
looked out towards Sodom, and as they

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left, Abraham went with them to
send them on their way. Should I

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hide my plan from Abraham? The
Lord asked, For Abraham will certainly become

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a great and mighty nation, and
all the nations of the earth be blessed

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through him. I have singled him
out so that he will direct his sons

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and their families to keep away of
the Lord by doing what is right and

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just. And then I will do
for Abraham all that I have promised.

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So, the Lord told Abraham,
I have heard a great outcry from Sodom

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and Gomora because their sin is so
flagrant. I'm going down to see if

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their actions are as wicked as I
have heard. If not, I want

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to know. The other men turned
and headed towards Sodom, but the Lord

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remained with Abraham. Abraham approached him
and said, will you sweep away both

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the righteous and the wicked? Suppose
you find fifty righteous people living there in

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the city, will you still sweep
it away and not spare it for their

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sakes? Surely you wouldn't do such
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the wicked. Why would you be
treating the righteous and the wicked exactly the

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same. Surely you wouldn't do that, should not the judge of all the

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earth do what is right? And
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righteous people in Sodom, I'll spare
the entire city for their sake. The

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Neighbraham spoke again. Since I've begun, let me speak further to my lord,

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even though I'm but dust and ashes. Suppose there are only forty five

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righteous people rather than fifty? Will
you destroy the whole city for lack of

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five? Lord said, I will
not destroy it if I find forty five

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righteous people there. The ne Abraham
pressed his request further. Suppose there are

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only forty. The Lord replied,
I'll not destroy it for sake of forty.

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Please don't be angry, my lord. Abraham plead, let me speak

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again. Suppose only thirty righteous people
are found. The Lord replied, I

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will not destroy it if I find
thirty. Then Abraham said, since I've

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dared to speak to the Lord,
let me continue. Suppose there are only

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twenty, and the Lord replied,
then I will not destroy it for the

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sake of twenty. Finally, Abraham
said, Lord, please do not be

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angry if I speak one more time. Suppose only ten are found there.

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The Lord replied, then I will
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When the Lord had finished his conversation
with Abraham, he went on his

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way and Ebb Abraham returned to his
tent. And then the Bible says that

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those two angels went down to the
entrance to city of Sodom. A Lot,

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a Lot was sitting there, right
and and and so the end of

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the story is they did not find
one righteous person in Sodom. Right,

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a Lot he lived inside them.
He was in Yeah, him and his

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two daughters and his wife. His
two daughters were engaged. So so let's

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let's let's cover that part of it
real quick. Oh yeah, Abraham's I

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was thinking of the verse that said
when it when he pitched his tent towards

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Sodom, that's when they split up, right, That's right, that's so.

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So that's what I was getting to
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one time, but only briefly.
So Lot is Abraham's nephew. They and

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there's many other stories in Genesis we
haven't covered about Abraham and Lot. They

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became extremely profitable, they became extraordinarily
wealthy, and to the point where Lots,

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sheep and goats and cattle and camels
were. Their shepherds were butting up

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against Abraham's sheep and camels and all
that, and they were starting to have

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trouble, and so it was just
too big of an operation, too hard,

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And so Abraham standing God had already
said, Abraham, every place that

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your foot falls, I'm going to
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And so Abraham turns to a Lot
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mine, but wherever you want to
go, you go that way. I'll

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go the opposite direction, which is
incredibly generous. And so the Bible says

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that Lot looked towards the area of
Sodom Macgamore and realized that that's really it

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was a well watered plane, that
Sodom Gomore. And the Bible says he

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pitched his tent towards Sodom. Sodom
was a wicked city, but he just

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started moving in that direction. The
next time we come across Lot is in

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verse nineteen, I mean, chapter
nineteen, verse one, and it says

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Lot was sitting at the gates.
He was the leader in Sodom at that

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point, right, So he started
he just pitched his tenth that direction.

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Next thing, he's living there,
and which happens. You know, as

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soon as you start paying attention to
things, you tend to gravitate that way.

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You ever watch a kid ride in
a bicycle when he's first learned to

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how to ride a bicycle, right, and all of a sudden he sees

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the mailbox and goes right at the
mailbox, He sees the back end of

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your car, goes right at the
back of the car. You tend to

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go the direction that you're looking.
And that's what happened is Sodom started looking

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at a lot, started looking that
way, and went there. So anyways,

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so lot is there, and this
is Abraham's concern for Sodom, going,

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hey, wait a minute, lots
there. He's a righteous man,

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his wife, his daughter's two daughters, and the Bible says that they were

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engaged. So there's six surely,
and all the time that lot's been there,

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maybe he got four more people to
follow God. And so he stops

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at ten. Too bad. If
he'd stopped at five, maybe God went

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to destroy side him and go more
at all. Right, Yeah, that's

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interesting, and you know it's it's
just a tremendous conversation. And when you

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find yourself reading through this chapter,
chapter eighteen, you may have a tendency

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to think that this is tedious.
You know, he starts with fifty and

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goes down only five to forty five, then down to thirty, and then

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down to twenty there and you're like, why in the world would they continue

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to have this conversation? But you
know, it does demonstrate a lot about

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the character and nature of God,
doesn't it About God's patience, about God's

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love, about you know, God's
unwillingness that any should perish, right,

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and so God is, you know, just he's tested because anybody who tests

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you, you know, like this, it reminds me of that. Everything

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reminds me of something in a movie
or a scoon. But do you ever

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see the episode of the Office where
Jim was saying to Dwight, do you

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think the apocalypse could happen in a
week? And he'd say yeah, he'd

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say what about a month? He'd
say, yeah, do you remember that?

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And he'd say, okay, how
about this, hang on to your

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hat six months. He's like,
yeah, I think that's a reasonable time,

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and he's like one year. And
then Finally, Pam just gets up

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and walks off because they know that
He's just going to continue on and Dwight's

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just going to continue to answer the
questions. And that's exactly what this reminds

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me of, because it's like,
it's like he just continues to just press

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and press and press and press,
and yet God doesn't. It doesn't say

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that God was angry. He said, please, don't be angry for me

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asking, But he doesn't say that
God, you know, expressed any type

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of frustration. He just simply said, I will not if there is righteous

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people there. So God's you know, God's even in the Old Testament,

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you know, when they when it's
the God of wrath, God, God,

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he expressed his wrath towards sin.
And yet even even that God,

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because after all, God still feels
the way about sin that he did in

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the Old Testament today. But the
massive difference is God's reaction to sin is

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massively different because of Jesus Christ.
Right, So God's reaction to our wrath

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on Christ. So nothing changed.
Yes, yes, so now currently in

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our day and age, God's response
to our sin is what I was trying

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to say, is God's response to
our sin is radically different. Then let's

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just say, like Abraham or Lots
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those that are in Christ, for
those that are in Christ, because Jesus

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paid it all. That's correct.
Yeah, So anyway, even but even

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the God who who immediately executed judgment
for sin is completely demonstrating his mercy and

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patience. Yeah, and so this
demonstrates so many things. One, nothing's

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off the table with regard to what
we can talk to God about. That's

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a really good pride right there.
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patient. So the question would be
was God changing his mind, I'm going

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to destroy the place or was it
that God was changing Abraham's mind. There's

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a little bit of that. Had
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have held his hand back? We
don't know, right, because Abraham didn't

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go to that point. Did God
and his feur knowledge know that Abraham wouldn't

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go there and there wasn't ten righteous
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this is Jesus right, This is
a Jesus moment that he keeps calling him

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the Lord and the Lord, the
one who said, I'm disgusted by their

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wickedness. I'm going to go check
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wipe them out. So anyways,
the two angels, we don't read this

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part, but in chapter nineteen,
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They get down there ahead of time. They find Lots sitting at the

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gates and Lot takes them home,
and Lot goes, well, it's getting

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dark, and this isn't a good
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dark as a strange man in town. Well, then the men of the

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city show up, start beating on
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those two new guys out. We
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literally what the Bible says, right, And they start beating the door and

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Lot, crazy, Lot in this
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angels that he says, no,
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out to you. They're virgins,
Which is how twisted is a Lot at

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this point, He's twisted. Where
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uncle Abraham, now he's sitting in
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Sodom, and he's adopted their worldview, you know, the lack of value

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and a human. And so he's
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men. But they don't want them, they say, instead they want the

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angels. He gives those two those
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most likely right and and uh and
and you know, it's it's crazy to

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read a couple of sentences and try
to imagine ourselves there. Maybe Lot was

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trying to justify saying I will do
whatever it takes as long as this atrocity

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does not take place. You just
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He's like, hey, I know
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down the door. This is going
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to happen, and this is this
is going to be the end of me

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if this happens. So he offers
the most atrocious thing, right, He's

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like, I'll do whatever it takes. I'm sure he didn't want to do

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it, but you're right, I
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Yeah, I'd rather just say,
yeah, Lord, save me,

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kill us all, or kill us
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you're going to do. But no, I'm not going to do this.

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And instead, so the angels then
go stand back right, and they reached

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out, they pulled Lot in the
house, they bowed the door. They

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blind all the men. So now
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stumble around, and they finally leave. That's what the angels do. And

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so then the angels turn around a
Lot and say, hey, do you

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have any other relatives here? Do
you have any sons and daughters? Do

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you have any sons in laws?
Listen, here's what the city's going to

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be destroyed. You need to go
get all of your family because you're the

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only righteous people in the city.
Go get all of your family. And

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righteous is not good people. A
Lot wasn't a good guy at this point,

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but he was faithful to God.
He had faith in the one God,

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right, the Creator, and so
he said, we're about to destroy

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the city completely. And then it
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so great it has reached the Lord, and he sent us to destroy it.

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So Lot rushes out to tell his
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let's get out of the city.
But they thought he was joking.

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Go Lot his wife and his two
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boyfriends won't come, their fiancees,
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the angels say, when we go
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and of course Lot's wife does,
so yeah, and then she she

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turns into a pillar of salt,
which, by the way, that's an

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interesting choice by God. Yeah,
right, so she don't look back,

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she does, what are we gonna
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pillar of salt. So she does. And and many people probably this is

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a side total, total sidebar here, complete departure. But I bet you

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there's probably a ton of people that
don't realize that the word sodomy cap comes

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from this story, from this behavior. Yeah, this behavior. Yeah,

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the idea of, you know,
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sex with them, that whole action
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right, So she turns into a
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I can't even imagine, Uh,
you know how a Lot must have felt,

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right, because you know, one
one act of disobedience, you know,

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is it's a pretty harsh judgment.
And you know, how am I

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supposed to say this? It seems
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But then again, if you put
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already shown this unbelievable act of mercy
by sending angels to say, the entire

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city is being destroyed. You shouldn't
be here. You know you're being corrupted

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by it. But we have gone
out of our way to spare you,

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and we are giving you this way
out. So therefore it's it's kind of

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like the commandment don't eat of the
tree in the in the in the in

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the middle of the garden, right, do not do this one thing,

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do not look back. And so
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able to, in their unbelievable gratitude, be able to do that. And

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I wonder if I wonder if that's
symbolic of like looking back on not rejecting

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sin yeap, or not rejecting things
that are bad for you, or still

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wanting or missing you know, the
things that you used to do kind of

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thing, the good old days,
the good old days. There's a sermon

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in there somewhere absolutely well. So
the Bible said that God was having mercy.

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Abraham had asked God to have mercy
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the city and so God was giving
the the angels gave Lot the ability or

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the opportunity to go and try to
rescue anybody who might be righteous. Are

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your sons in laws? Are your
Do you have any sons here? Or

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anybody? And so Lot his wife, his two daughters. That's it.

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There's only four of them. After
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What a waste. That's such a
shame. He didn't go. And when

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Christians enter into our followers, or
God enter into the places of darkness,

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we should be transforming those places.
Our presence doesn't do that. It's the

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word of God and the power of
God demonstrated that make changes right in dark

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places. But Abraham, but Lot
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they were the only righteous ones.
They were the only ones following God.

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But she looked back, which kind
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I think in that instance, and
her heart was not with the place God

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was taking her too and with God. Instead, her heart was still with

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where she had been right. And
so there's a note here about this,

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and it says life Lot's wife turned
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Sodom, clinging to the past.
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Are you looking back longingly at sin
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You can't make progress with God as
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your old life. Jesus said it
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No one can serve two masters,
right, That's it. So it showed

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that she wasn't righteous a lot his
two daughters were. She was not right,

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right, that was the issue,
and it caused horrible destruction. Let

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me say this though, because people
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this and go, oh, it
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That was the sin, right,
It was one of the sins. But

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did you know And I was going
to ask you this, but I'm not

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going to put you on the hook. Do you know what the sins of

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sodom war according to the Bible?
The sins of sodom according to the Bible?

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No, yeah, so you have
this. Here's what it says in

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Ezekiel. In Ezekiel chapter sixteen,
verse forty nine, it says sodom sins

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were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside

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her door. She was proud and
committed detestable sins. So I wiped her

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out as you've seen. So the
detestable sins would be the sodomy, right,

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But he names that last right and
says it's pride, gluttony, laziness,

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and not taking care of the poor
and needy. Isn't that amazing?

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So was that your goal to stump
the Bible? Guys? Yeah, I

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didn't want to. I didn't want
to to put you on on the thing

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that I was amazed by that because
I always was under the impression it was

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only the homosexual practices. Yeah,
you know, it wasn't. It was

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this whole culture of self centeredness,
ignoring the poor, just pleasuring myself.

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It was. It was. It
was the modern version of Vegas, essentially,

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right, pure pleasure and hedonism,
no attention to the things that really

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matter in life, and so that
eventually spirals down into you know, finally

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these detestable acts. Is the book
of Ezekiels. Yeah, you know,

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now that you mentioned it, I'm
not sure I could have picked out Ezekiel

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as that passage. Now that you
mentioned it, as soon as you said,

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like, you know, the sins, I'm thinking, wait a minute,

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I've recently read through Genesis, and
I'm thinking they don't list any other

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sins. Yeah, but then to
be an Ezekiel, Oh yeah, I

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think I now remember that. In
Bible college, I remember one of my

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professors talking about that stumping stumping the
class. Yeah right, and uh and

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I think that there were a bunch
of pastors kids in that class and they

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got it, you know. But
I remember thinking that the first time.

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I so, I had never seen
that until the first time I read through

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Ezekiel, probably I don't know,
thirty years ago. I was like what

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because I thought I knew, you
know, I was so judgmental towards one

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certain behavior. Yeah, and God
had all these reasons. Yeah. Interesting.

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Yeah, well, hey that is
that is a great topic. I

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am really glad we included that,
aren't you. Yeah, it's great.

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Yep, I'm glad we I hate
that it happened, but I think it's

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an important event that we need to
correct, right. Yeah, okay,

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So hopefully we'll see you next time
on the Bible. Guys,