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A client says "we love these." Then they ask for more images, for the same money, and call it a collaboration. This episode is about what that word is actually doing to you, why the moment feels impossible to say no to, and why the fix was never confidence. It was having the sentence ready before you needed it.
In this episode
Patrick breaks down the psychology behind scope creep and the "collaboration" ask, drawing on Dan Ariely's market norms vs. social norms, the classic foot-in-the-door effect, and a scene from The Negotiator that changed how he thinks about saying no. Along the way: four types of clients who are all testing the same thing without knowing it, why a rigid system is actually what makes generosity possible, and why bringing up your contract after the shoot has already happened means something already went wrong.
The three lines to save
These are built to do the same three things every time: validate the ask, protect the scope, offer a real next step. Swap in your own numbers and your own voice, the shape is what matters, not the exact wording.
At the proposal, before anything's shot:
"We'll lock down these five hero shots. If we spot extra opportunities on the day, I'm happy to grab them, we'll just treat those as separate add-ons so it doesn't mess with today's scope."
On set, when the ask shows up live:
"Love that shot idea. Let's finish our main list first so we hit our schedule, and then I'll pull together a quick add-on price for the extras before we wrap."
After delivery, when the compliment arrives with a bigger ask behind it:
"I'm so glad the set landed. If you want to expand delivery to twenty images, I can open up the rest of the gallery for an extra [your rate]."
Is it a real collaboration? The three-part test
Before you say yes to a trade instead of a fee, check for all three:
- Named upfront. Offered before the work happens, not as a consolation after the client can't hit their own number.
- Specific. Which posts, tagged how, to how many actual followers, not "some exposure."
- Reciprocal. Both sides chose it on purpose, not one side discovering it after delivery.
If it shows up after the invoice as a replacement for the invoice, it's not a trade. It's the same ask wearing a nicer word.
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Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore.
Music licensed through
Epidemic Sound and
Blue Dot Sessions.
Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
What is The Terrible Creative?
The Terrible Creative is a storytelling podcast for photographers, designers, and creative professionals working through the parts of the creative process no gear review or business course ever covers.
Each episode is 30 to 40 minutes. Solo. Story-driven. Built around mental health, artistic identity, and what honest work costs in a career rewarding performance over truth.
This is not a photography podcast about cameras, presets, or client strategy. This is a podcast about the inner experience of being a creative professional, made for the mid-career photographer or designer who has mastered the technical side but lost the thread.
Hosted by Patrick Fore, commercial photographer, author, and former lead photographer and brand designer for Taylor Guitars. His work has appeared globally for clients like Nike, Petco, and Verizon. He built this show because none of the podcasts he found addressed the real problem.
If you are a photographer or creative professional who feels competent on the outside and quietly lost on the inside, you are a Terrible Creative. This is your podcast.